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Strictly for info, a legit source of information on this.
walpurgis
10-03-2020, 21:47
As the UK approaches 400 diagnosed Coronavirus cases, one wonders how many others are incubating the illness with no symptoms yet and how many are infected but not aware of any significant feeling of being unwell? Possibly thousands.
I expect we will see this snowball very quickly. Not good!
Was a case literally 15 minutes drive from where I live, not great.
Stay safe, Gaz:)
Some interesting stats there, btw.
Marco.
Made in 1968
10-03-2020, 22:02
I dont know what i get more sick of hearing about Corona or Brexit!
hifi_dave
11-03-2020, 11:55
Being a certain age and with a raft of 'underlying problems' does focus your mind.
If you are young and fit, there is probably not much to worry about but if not, it could be a huge problem.
indeed dave.. i get it and i will most likely die... my lungs and heart may well pack in. sort of keeping as far away from everyone as i can, which tbh isnt that difficult as i dont see many anyway
Plus, Scotland so far [touch wood] hasn't had many confirmed cases of the virus. If I were you mate, I'd go with home deliveries, for your shopping for the foreseeable future, and wash your hands thoroughly after touching anything that comes through your door.
But yes, I do hope that our older and more infirm members can come through this situation in full health. The next two weeks, when things peak, will be crucial.
Marco.
population wise we are a few days behind england. next 4/5 days will be the testing point. personally i think they will close everything down... its worked elsewhere.. let everyone starve to death instead
10,000 cases in Italy now.
Ali Tait
11-03-2020, 16:33
Not downplaying this at all, but other flu kills 290,000-650,000 every year worldwide. Never see that in the news.
for folk who are fairly healthy its not gonna hurt them any more than flu/cold... but others like me as an instance either flu or this could easily do for me.. although the flu vaccine covers many strains it doesnt cover all so i have to be careful all time, but this one is probably nastier. ive had pneumonia 3 times.. another i probably wont survive
Made in 1968
11-03-2020, 17:13
When we get something like Pestilence then i might just worry about it. Thing is if something aint happening in MY country im not interested, cos if we just focused on OUR country there would no where near as much to worry about.
See that alone gets up my back with Charity, People seem more interested in deprivation in 3rd world countries than looking after the needs of our own..
Grant you give me the impression of a recluse anyway :D so dont worry
Not downplaying this at all, but other flu kills 290,000-650,000 every year worldwide. Never see that in the news.But as a % of deaths to those infected each year it's 0.1-0.5%
Covid-19 is hitting 5% in places, that's the difference [emoji6]
Andre,
There was a case of Coronavirus 15 minutes drive from where I live.
Its here man.
No-ones saying we have to panic, but it IS a thing and it’s here.
And being (moderately) young and fit, I’m a lot less at risk than others may be.
‘we all know somsome who may be at risk...just a thought.
When we get something like Pestilence then i might just worry about it. Thing is if something aint happening in MY country im not interested, cos if we just focused on OUR country there would no where near as much to worry about.
See that alone gets up my back with Charity, People seem more interested in deprivation in 3rd world countries than looking after the needs of our own..
Grant you give me the impression of a recluse anyway :D so dont worry
southall-1998_mk2
11-03-2020, 20:10
Andre,
There was a case of Coronavirus 15 minutes drive from where I live.
Its here man.
No-ones saying we have to panic, but it IS a thing and it’s here.
And being (moderately) young and fit, I’m a lot less at risk than others may be.
‘we all know somsome who may be at risk...just a thought.
Not wishing to be rude. How old are you?
S.
Hey Shane,
I’m 50.
Not rude at all, why do you ask?
Made in 1968
11-03-2020, 21:39
I think he working on your age Vs Risk. I had one of the worse bouts of pleurisy years ago. I had a effusion where i had to have my lungs drained of fluid as i could hardly breathe, they even had to put me to sleep to do it. . Id go for a piss and just drop down out for the count. I was told its always underlying.. Cause by a bad bacteria infection after Flu.. So i guess my card marked, not that i worry about it.
Had pleurisy as well. Bloody painful it was..
Also had a pandemic too in swine flu, which nearly killed me.. But not quite
Not downplaying this at all, but other flu kills 290,000-650,000 every year worldwide. Never see that in the news.
Ordinarily I would agree with that Ali, but as yet we don't have any natural immunity to Covid-19, or a vaccine and as pointed out that's a very low number of deaths on a global scale. This has the potential to be lethal and one of the worlds leading authorities Dr Richard Hatchett from CEPI said this about it;
"I have been working on epidemic preparedness for about 20 years and completely dispassionately, without elevating the temperature or speaking hyperbolically, this is the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career and that includes Ebola, it includes MERS, it includes SARS and it's frightening because of the combination of infectiousness and a lethality that appears to be many folds higher than flu"
The NHS and Government are now saying there is the potential for 80% of the UK to become infected, now with a flu fatality rate of 0.1 to 0.5% that maybe doesn't sound too scary, but do the maths on a fatality rate of 3%.
80% of 64 million = 51.2 million
3% of 51.2 million = 1.5 million
That would completely overwhelm pretty much every public service we have, let alone the financial cost and I dread to think what panic it might cause. So this is something everyone should be taking seriously. China took it deadly seriously, quarantined entire communities and built a huge hospital in Wuhan in 10 days! We don't have the ability to do anything like that. It's a legal requirement there now for all workers to have their temperature taken twice a day and record it, that's the entire country. So they have not messed about with it, but I guess they realise it's danger as they are at ground zero, but it's now gone global.
Those numbers are a worst case scenario and we are now forewarned by the huge crises in Italy, so hopefully we will take positive action if the numbers keep rising exponentially, but it's already at community infection level - as in being passed from people who have not been to a high risk area like Italy, or interacted with anyone from those areas. So complacency could have very serious consequences and way beyond no bog roll or pasta at Tesco.
If I was 25 I maybe wouldn't be too bothered, but I'm of an age where it could potentially kill me, so I am concerned.
https://youtu.be/3Sh7hghljuQ
Probably the only place in the world capable of doing this.
Had pleurisy as well. Bloody painful it was..
Also had a pandemic too in swine flu, which nearly killed me.. But not quite
He takes a lickin’...but keeps on tickin’. :thumbsup:
https://youtu.be/3Sh7hghljuQ
Probably the only place in the world capable of doing this.
Tim,
that’s extremely impressive.
Sadly..I don’t think our Govm’t is capable of even 10% of that in a crisis.
Could always host a Cobra meeting, sounds good and it’s good for PR.
we’re in a similar situation as the US, the fish rots from the head and, well..Boris Johnston mumbling out of breath at the Podium, doesn't inspire much confidence.
Govt announcement later today regarding movement, schools, working from home etc
The NHS and Government are now saying there is the potential for 80% of the UK to become infected, now with a flu fatality rate of 0.1 to 0.5% that maybe doesn't sound too scary, but do the maths on a fatality rate of 3%.
80% of 64 million = 51.2 million
3% of 51.2 million = 1.5 million
That would completely overwhelm pretty much every public service we have, let alone the financial cost and I dread to think what panic it might cause..
1.5 million over what period of time though and how many of those people would die anyway over that period of time even without this virus? 56706 people died in the UK in January 2020, that's before CV got here. So approx 600,000 die annually anyway and that does not overwhelm anything. It's serious, yes, but no point in losing perspective.
walpurgis
12-03-2020, 08:42
Funny how figures change :hmm:. I'm sure I recall the the UK population quoted as 78 million a few years back.
67 mil i think.. too high really but not silly high. might be higher with the illegals tho
3 nurses at my local hospital have been isolated while they are tested after a patient coughed on them after waking from an op....
walpurgis
12-03-2020, 09:18
There were about fifteen diagnosed cases within a five mile radius here last night according to the ITV News interactive map. No doubt as yet undiagnosed cases will be many times that.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/coronavirus-where-you-live-check-the-number-of-cases-in-your-area-with-our-interactive-map/
I have three hospital appointments in the next month. A hospital is the last place I want to visit at the moment!
big popu;ation in a relatively small area london, so no doubt will have the highest amount of cases. my region which is not the biggest has most cases tho up here...typical... expecting a big increase today
It's serious, yes, but no point in losing perspective.
Yes Martin, which is why the word potential is there.
With what we now know about it's highly infectious nature and higher than flu fatality rate, I'd like to think we will respond accordingly and won't get numbers anything like that, as we haven't got the ability to respond like China. They are taking it very seriously, as WHO now is, whilst many of us seem to be questioning everything and playing it down as an over-reaction, which is what Brits do, we are naturally obstinate which has often served us well.
I think that's the wrong perspective, as I'd rather plan for the worst and be wrong, than be faced with a country in total lock down and an overwhelmed health service like Italy.
I don't know what the current population is Geoff, that was from memory and it's low, I just Googled it and it's likely now around 67 as the 2018 figure was 66?
I'll leave it there though as nothing I say will change peoples mind ;)
Nothing in north Wales yet (just south), but that'll no doubt change soon. Best plan, if you can, is to stay indoors and self-isolate regardless, even if you feel fine, and only go out when you *really* need to. That's what we're doing.
Marco.
Yes Martin, which is why the word potential is there.
With what we now know about it's highly infectious nature and higher than flu fatality rate, I'd like to think we will respond accordingly and won't get numbers anything like that, as we haven't got the ability to respond like China. They are taking it very seriously, as WHO now is, whilst many of us seem to be questioning everything and playing it down as an over-reaction, which is what Brits do, we are naturally obstinate which has often served us well.
I think that's the wrong perspective, as I'd rather plan for the worst and be wrong, than be faced with a country in total lock down and an overwhelmed health service like Italy.
I don't know what the current population is Geoff, that was from memory and it's low, I just Googled it and it's likely now around 67 as the 2018 figure was 66?
I'll leave it there though as nothing I say will change peoples mind ;)
death rate in Italy is around 7% at moment, although thats on reported cases, so may well be lower... There are quite possibly 2 strains now, 1 being more fatal than the other is the thought. Looks maybe better and safer than it probably is... it can take 4 to 10 days to appear so numbers can escalate rapidly
An important stat for Italy is that it has an older than average population, so that partly accounts for the higher mortality figures.
Marco.
An important stat for Italy is that it has an older than average population, so that partly accounts for the higher figures.
Marco.
Yup and families are closer, and living often in closer proximity to us... although im guessing China was similar
Indeed... The way I see it, and this of course is no comfort to folks like Geoff or you, is that the virus is largely killing the elderly, and/or infirm (of any age) with existing health issues, and if you don't come into that category, although if you get the virus you may experience some adverse effects, you're very likely to be fine.
So although this is a serious situation, and the worst pandemic we've ever had, it's not likely to wipe out the world population anytime soon. Therefore, we just need to stay calm, follow the advice given, do what we need to do, and ride it out.
Marco.
I guess that's the difference Marco, one's own personal perspective, which puts me in what could be considered an 'at risk' category.
If I was a 30 year old scrum-half in rude health I'd probably be wondering what all the fuss was about . . . hey ho, it is what it is. I can do my best to avoid it and will and just hope that others do the same, who are less likely to be effected.
I'm wondering now if it's too early for a whisky, maybe midday :lol:
Yeah mate, may as well go down sinking a wee snifter... What would be the last tune you'd spin, before the lights went out?:D
Marco.
S.O.B by Nathaniel Rateliff i guess
S.O.B by Nathaniel Rateliff i guess
Good song Grant.
This one I reckon Marco, Sandy (Denny) wrote this as a 19 year old, quite a song I think. And my lights have already stayed on longer than hers!
https://youtu.be/OkOB57UcYk8
;)
anthonyTD
12-03-2020, 12:21
Ok for you, but how about your better half, with her job ? :scratch:
Best plan, if you can, is to stay indoors and self-isolate regardless, even if you feel fine, and only go out when you *really* need to. That's what we're doing.
Marco.
AJSki2fly
12-03-2020, 12:53
death rate in Italy is around 7% at moment, although thats on reported cases, so may well be lower... There are quite possibly 2 strains now, 1 being more fatal than the other is the thought. Looks maybe better and safer than it probably is... it can take 4 to 10 days to appear so numbers can escalate rapidly
Well if you look into the leaked China figures that were on the high tech giant Tencent high tech IT site. see https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1238554/Coronavirus-news-deleted-figures-official-virus-tally-table-china-Wuhan-latest. There are also other reports that the COVID-19 virus may have originated from a laboratory that was experimenting on horsehoe bats and was also suspected of being responsible for the SARS outbreak. https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1251719/coronavirus-china-bioweapon-experiment-lab-leak-wuhan-seafood-market-spt
As can be seen from the leaked figures if these are real then they indicate and 8-10% death rate in those infected and it would explain why the death rate in Italy is so high. A very good friend on mine was skiing in Austria last week and met a southern Italian senior medical worker, this chap said they knew they had a problem with a virus in Northern Italy mid December onwards but had no idea what it was or the seriousness, obviously it has since been identified as COVID-19. This implies the Pandora box had already been opened before China let everyone know in January.
Another friend who saw a senior Cardiac surgeon last week advised her to Socially Isolate herself from everyone, including friends and family, and he feared he would loose 15-20% of his heart and lung patients due to Coronavirus. So personally I am taking this matter quite seriously and we are both minimising seeing anyone unless absolutely necessary.
Another friend from Hampshire told us that someone at a pub quiz he attended last week on Thursday has been tested positive with COVID-19, the people sat immediately next to him have been told to 14 day self isolate and if one sat next to my friend develops it then my friend will need to isolate, he sadly has serious cardiac issues and is obviously concerned. Also a secondary school nearby has been closed due to 11 confirmed cases in the last few days.
So it is on the march, be careful everyone.
they are keeping the new figures under their hat anyway... always a bad sign
anthonyTD
12-03-2020, 14:28
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-03/where-did-coronavirus-come-from-why-bats-may-be-to-blame
big jump in scotland as expected.. up to 60 cases now, thats now higher than england i think per capita... govt typically not doing much. ireland has shut schools
govt typically not doing much.
What do you think they could do?
Made in 1968
12-03-2020, 14:56
There is a lot more than what joe public know, i can assure you that cos ive been sworn to secrecy
Good song Grant.
This one I reckon Marco, Sandy (Denny) wrote this as a 19 year old, quite a song I think. And my lights have already stayed on longer than hers!
https://youtu.be/OkOB57UcYk8
;)
Good choice, mate, and long may your lights continue to glow!
Marco.
What do you think they could do?Shut down major events, limit travel for a start
Ok for you, but how about your better half, with her job ? :scratch:
Yup mate, the key words there were of course "if you can". Del can work remotely from home, if need be, and which will be necessary if they close down the schools/colleges.
Marco.
Shut down major events, limit travel for a start
Exactly. All that should've already happened. That horse-racing pish, for starters, whatever it was again, shouldn't have happened. And all other major sporting events should be the same.
Marco.
yup, 22 players will be in close contct tonight at ibrox; half from germany. 50k fans etc.. 3 days later same venue, with celtic the visitors. not only is it an unnessesary risk, it could cause public order probs... someone jokingly coughs over someone and fights start etc.
its all about money, not about the public
Thing is though the Govt are more than happy to lose a few 1,000 people off the NHS/Welfare bill, so they're not bothered in the slightest.
I drive/handyman for a council care home with a day care centre and I'm still bringing elderly people in every day and absolutely NO advice from the council yet as to what we need to be doing or need to prepare.
It was only last week that one of my supervisors arrived to check out my stores that I have for the domestics and carers stocked with cleaning materials, cloths, the usual thing as well as anti bacterial kit etc and because some of it was supplied by a company we don't use any more they binned loads of it, I couldn't believe it, I thought we are about to have problems with Covid-19 and will no doubt have supply issues ( happening already ) and they just binned it!
As of yesterday no official policy [emoji848]
Mind you it's ok we have hand gel at the front door, that'll do [emoji23]
PS: half of the people I've been bringing in already have cold/chest infections, it's like an episode of the Coughing Dead
The fact is that there's nothing that can be done, the thing just has to run its course. Stopping transport and having lock-downs and suspending events is just delaying the inevitable, and it won't even delay it by much anyway. We're all just going to have to take our chances. It's not pretty but there it is.
thank f**k your not in charge:doh:
The fact is that there's nothing that can be done, the thing just has to run its course. Stopping transport and having lock-downs and suspending events is just delaying the inevitable, and it won't even delay it by much anyway. We're all just going to have to take our chances. It's not pretty but there it is.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
thank f**k your not in charge:doh:I was going to write a carefully considered reply as well Grant then decided it wasn't worth it.
Some people need a slap at times [emoji6]
..... Looks for facepalm emoji ..
I think your understanding of the situation is sadly lacking but isn't that always the case on forums?
Made in 1968
12-03-2020, 16:44
Macca for PM
:dance:
hifi_dave
12-03-2020, 16:52
Being of a certain age with underlying health problems makes you think differently.
The young and fit can be smug.
The bottom line is though, there's no point in worrying about something you can't stop. I've never been someone who panics easily, or prone to irrational bouts of hysteria, and don't intend on starting now. What will be, will be.
*But* that doesn't mean that reasonable and logical precautions/steps, where possible, shouldn't be taken to minimise the spread of the virus, and in the process possibly save some lives. And in that respect, the government should've been much more proactive.
Marco.
Here's a graphic showing how it spread on a bus in China.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200312/9637339b1a55e4b60637345d97aea9c5.jpg
More legit information, directly from an experienced expert.
https://youtu.be/dcJDpV-igjs
Being of a certain age with underlying health problems makes you think differently.
The young and fit can be smug.
I'm not young or fit, or smug about it. But I'd rather operate on the facts than what I would like to be true. I can't find any infectious disease specialist out there who says that there is a hope in hell of containment working. This is what the bloke from John Hopkins says:
Johns Hopkins senior scholar Dr. Amesh Adalja told CNBC on Tuesday that the new coronavirus will likely cause yearly outbreaks, with most of the cases being mild.
“It’s going to become a part of our seasonal respiratory virus family that causes disease,” Adalja said.
Also:
Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis. “Trying to stop influenza transmission is like trying to stop the wind,” he says. “Containment [of COVID-19] was never going to work.”
Osterholm says that, whether or not the WHO declares COVID-19 a pandemic in the coming days, we should all change our mind-set, to shift away from containment toward dealing with a virus that can’t be kept out by travel restrictions. While such measures may temporarily slow the spread of the virus, they’re ineffective in the long term, he says.
See if you can find a single one who says that it can still be contained.
Made in 1968
12-03-2020, 18:33
Fantastic does this mean i dont have to see the mother-in-law for a month
:yesbruv:
I told the lady Yoga teacher on Tuesday morning I wasnt going . I said I had had a cough for 8 weeks after christmas and didnt fancy another !!(Tongue in cheek)
She said - Yes ,best to stay away and she had been told by Yoga assocation to sanitise all shared yoga mats before and after and everything will be ok !
I thought -er eeerr , that aint my idea of self isolation or precaution being in a room with 17 sweating women , ( Something Grant and Marco might like however :eyebrows:) one who admitted her husband worked in Wuhan and couldnt go back at the moment !!
Oh well , I missed the leotards but nothing else ;)
Made in 1968
12-03-2020, 19:10
Yoga! Any pictures in yer leotard?
:D
Anto, I could say *so* much about that, but I'll be good!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Made in 1968
12-03-2020, 19:26
:D
Yoga! Any pictures in yer leotard?
:D
I go dressed like a bagman ,so NO !!:lol:
Mikeandvan
12-03-2020, 23:59
More legit information, directly from an experienced expert.
https://youtu.be/dcJDpV-igjs
At least 3 x the rate of infection and 10 x the lethality of regular flu, oh dear...….
Made in 1968
13-03-2020, 06:52
O dear i get sick of hearing about it.I have to watch crap TV to get away from it. Common sense made into something complicated as per usual. But im sorry the world is full of self centred people they will just do what they want to do.
https://youtu.be/U7F1cnWup9M
walpurgis
13-03-2020, 09:31
Less than a month on from the outbreak peak, China have reported only eight new confirmed Coronavirus cases in the last 24 hours, so it may be that the infection rate will continue to decline, assuming the published figures can be relied upon.
Hopefully, if the rest of affected countries including the UK follow this pattern we could be past the worst by mid April (fingers crossed).
I've been 'self isolating' as best I can for a couple of weeks now. Contact with others being minimal.
Less than a month on from the outbreak peak, China have reported only eight new confirmed Coronavirus cases in the last 24 hours, so it may be that the infection rate will continue to decline, assuming the published figures can be relied upon.
Hopefully, if the rest of affected countries including the UK follow this pattern we could be past the worst by mid April (fingers crossed).
I've been 'self isolating' as best I can for a couple of weeks now. Contact with others being minimal.
ive put a virus detection into play on my pc just in case :eek: yup, my door is locked and stays that way...if i have to go out i have to go out but otherwise i rarely see anyone anyway
Less than a month on from the outbreak peak, China have reported only eight new confirmed Coronavirus cases in the last 24 hours, so it may be that the infection rate will continue to decline, assuming the published figures can be relied upon.
Hopefully, if the rest of affected countries including the UK follow this pattern we could be past the worst by mid April (fingers crossed).
I've been 'self isolating' as best I can for a couple of weeks now. Contact with others being minimal.
I totally agree, *but* that's presuming we can contain the virus as successfully as the Chinese have done. Fingers crossed, but I have my doubts, as we're nowhere near as well organised!
Marco.
Made in 1968
13-03-2020, 09:58
Building an Hospital in ten days is some feat. Takes us 10 Years. :D
What really really amazes me is these isolation wards, Why is it that wards in general are so desperate for Beds yet they materialise out of nowhere when something like this turn up
some reckon the chinese knew what they were dealing with straight away tho... hong kong and singapore are both orginised under the boot type countries too so not surprising they have done well. Italy and Usa are both disaster areas for an outbreak so could be why they are in trouble.
We seem to be treating it like a 5 day cricket match;)
some reckon the chinese knew what they were dealing with straight away tho... hong kong and singapore are both orginised under the boot type countries too so not surprising they have done well. Italy and Usa are both disaster areas for an outbreak so could be why they are in trouble.
We seem to be treating it like a 5 day cricket match;)
Exactly - TOTALLY different mentalities! I'm proudly Italian, but their disorganised, often lazy-minded mentality (and tendency to blindly panic during difficulties) was always going to be a recipe for disaster with this virus, and with America, in terms of mindless behaviour and selfishness, it's not much better.
This is a time for cool heads and [very focussed] rational behaviour; traits that the Chinese nations excel in. Therefore, here in the UK, we need to try and emulate that when dealing with this virus.
Marco.
Made in 1968
13-03-2020, 10:20
Like the US Marco self centred folk. Seen em bulk buying & literally fighting over things in the supermarket like theres gonna be some holocaust or summert. ffks scrapping over Bog roll.
This country are kinda pulling a fast one in that they no longer want to know if you have it... ie, this way they can just say its working, even if it isnt.. I bet blow job thought that one up;)
Like the US Marco self centred folk. Seen em bulk buying & literally fighting over things in the supermarket like theres gonna be some holocaust or summert. ffks scrapping over Bog roll.It's shit innit [emoji23]
Made in 1968
13-03-2020, 10:25
Amount they are buying they must be full of shit. :D
Like the US Marco self centred folk. Seen em bulk buying & literally fighting over things in the supermarket like theres gonna be some holocaust or summert. ffks scrapping over Bog roll.
Worse than animals, mate... Look, if they can fight over fucking flatscreen TVs, during 'Black Friday' sales, then they'll fight over bog rolls!!:doh:
What did we all do before toilet roll was invented? Just wash your arse with soap and water and a cloth, or grab some dock leaves from the garden!;)
Marco.
This is a time for cool heads and [very focussed] rational behaviour; traits that the Chinese nations excel in.
You've obviously never been out gambling with them...
Ah, when it comes to money, that's different!
Marco.
You've obviously never been out gambling with them...
and sex of course where they get very excited, as do the japanese:ner:
anthonyTD
13-03-2020, 13:08
It is sickening, and very worrying indeed the way some folk behave in what isnt even a crisis, i have said for years that is serves no purpose in hoarding anything in the short term, if there were a real crisis, then the hungry and those without would just resort to desperate measures, and anyone known to have anything worth having, would get it taken from them by force, and posibly lose their lives in the process, the only way to deal with a crisis is for people to work as a comunity, and pool everything together, and ration everything out, just like they did after the war, that is the only plan that would work in the long term, but then again what would i know.:confused::rolleyes:
Worse than animals, mate... Look, if they can fight over fucking flatscreen TVs, during 'Black Friday' sales, then they'll fight over bog rolls!!:doh:
What did we all do before toilet roll was invented? Just wash your arse with soap and water and a cloth, or grab some dock leaves from the garden!;)
Marco.
Made in 1968
13-03-2020, 13:15
The Greedy, wealthy would not play the Ration game.
anthonyTD
13-03-2020, 13:23
Sad but probably true!
The Greedy, wealthy would not play the Ration game.
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/incoming/article17918147.ece/ALTERNATES/s510b/0_Screen-Shot-2020-03-13-at-115723.png
A taste of home for Marco:eyebrows:
Ha - that's a belter! I want a t-shirt:lol:
Marco.
It is sickening, and very worrying indeed the way some folk behave in what isnt even a crisis, i have said for years that is serves no purpose in hoarding anything in the short term, if there were a real crisis, then the hungry and those without would just resort to desperate measures, and anyone known to have anything worth having, would get it taken from them by force, and posibly lose their lives in the process, the only way to deal with a crisis is for people to work as a comunity, and pool everything together, and ration everything out, just like they did after the war, that is the only plan that would work in the long term, but then again what would i know.:confused::rolleyes:
Totally agree, mate! We've just been shopping, and it's crazy. Big queues at tills, with folks acting like it's the end of the world!!:doh::wanker:
I'd advise anyone if they want to get some stuff in for the next few days to go now while there's still food available, as shelves are emptying fast... Anyway, Del's now working remotely from home and won't be going back to college for at least the next 3 weeks, so we'll both be self-isolating, only making essential journeys outside, and riding this thing out.
Marco.
walpurgis
13-03-2020, 15:13
I've always kept a decent 'buffer' stock of basic essentials. It's just seemed a sensible thing to do. Admittedly, last July I bought more in case there was a run on things for the October Brexit. Looks as though I did myself a favour, although I dare say shop stocks will soon recover from the panic buying. There's bound to be a point where buyers will realise they have enough. At least I didn't contribute to it all.
I will just have to make do and regurgitate:eyebrows:
I've always kept a decent 'buffer' stock of basic essentials. It's just seemed a sensible thing to do. Admittedly, last July I bought more in case there was a run on things for the October Brexit. Looks as though I did myself a favour, although I dare say shop stocks will soon recover from the panic buying. There's bound to be a point where buyers will realise they have enough. At least I didn't contribute to it all.
Exactly, and we're the same.
Marco.
hifi_dave
13-03-2020, 16:13
Lots of empty shelves in Tesco and queues like just before Christmas. We bought some canned food but there wasn't much left, even the Sardines and canned fruit have been snapped up. Hopefully, once the rush has sorted itself out, the supermarkets can restock.
Been three times to two different supermarkets this week and not a pack of pasta on the shelves! Virtually no rice, although there were some massive bags in Tesco today available for about fifteen quid! Fortunately no one is panic buying wine or beer it would appear!
Lots of empty shelves in Tesco and queues like just before Christmas. We bought some canned food but there wasn't much left, even the Sardines and canned fruit have been snapped up. Hopefully, once the rush has sorted itself out, the supermarkets can restock.
im not risking it.. starvation diet now... took some frozen meat out of freezer for tomorrow. make a stew
hifi_dave
13-03-2020, 16:21
Fortunately no one is panic buying wine or beer it would appear!
There is at our Tesco after I went there this afternoon..:rolleyes:
If we have to self isolate for 3 months, I don't want to run out.
walpurgis
13-03-2020, 16:26
Alcohol is enjoyable in sensible amounts, but these days I don't drink enough to really care if I have any available. :)
they should have a police presence at all supermarkets and arrest panic hoarders.
There is at our Tesco after I went there this afternoon..:rolleyes:
If we have to self isolate for 3 months, I don't want to run out.
ive plenty whisky for a year or 2... i can drink my collection if need be
Local library shut down in Belsize Park ( Camden ). Confirmed case of Coronavirus. A school / nursery next to the Royal Free Hospital also closed for deep cleaning. Not good.
im not risking it.. starvation diet now... took some frozen meat out of freezer for tomorrow. make a stew
Use the home delivery service, mate. Then you don't need to go anywhere. It's important to eat well and keep your strength up.
Marco.
Fortunately no one is panic buying wine or beer it would appear!
Ha - I'm still off it for Lent! Four weeks to go.....
And besides, we've probably got more booze here than most restaurants! At least 150 bottles of wine alone... If you run out, give me a shout;)
Marco.
Use the home delivery service, mate. Then you don't need to go anywhere. It's important to eat well and keep your strength up.
Marco.
couldnt get a date lol... Ive ordered stuff from Donald Russell. expensive but nice ready meal stuff. to hell with it. free postage and a fiver off tboot.
fish, tagine stew, lasagne, spag bol etc
Ha - I'm still off it for Lent! Four weeks to go.....
And besides, we've probably got more booze here than most restaurants! At least 150 bottles of wine alone... If you run out, give me a shout;)
Marco.
iv e about 40 bottles of best scotch/bourbon unopened plus opened stuff...im all right jack(and i didnt panic buy either)
couldnt get a date lol... Ive ordered stuff from Donald Russell. expensive but nice ready meal stuff. to hell with it. free postage and a fiver off tboot.
fish, tagine stew, lasagne, spag bol etc
Yup, these home delivery services will be getting incredibly busy , me thinks.
couldnt get a date lol... Ive ordered stuff from Donald Russell. expensive but nice ready meal stuff. to hell with it. free postage and a fiver off tboot.
fish, tagine stew, lasagne, spag bol etc
Nice one:thumbsup:
Just always remember to sanitise your hands after handling the packaging, and do that with *everything* else you touch that comes into your house.
Marco.
walpurgis
13-03-2020, 17:21
The slump in new car sales may be compensated for by the demand for delivery vans as companies like Asda, Tesco and Iceland etc gear up for the hugely increased need for home delivery services.
Yup, these home delivery services will be getting incredibly busy , me thinks.
Indeed, and good luck to them. We'll still be using normal shops [from now on at the quietest times of the day], and just washing our hands thoroughly when we get home,
Marco.
The slump in new car sales may be compensated for by the demand for delivery vans as companies like Asda, Tesco and Iceland etc gear up for the hugely increased need for home delivery services.
Great time to get a good deal on one, though! And we'll be looking to do that soon. Del still has her eye on a nice Fiat Abarth:
https://www.abarthcars.co.uk/abarth-695-anniversary
Marco.
Great time to get a good deal on one, though! And we'll be looking to do that soon. Del still has her eye on a nice Fiat Abarth:
https://www.abarthcars.co.uk/abarth-695-anniversary
Marco.
tell her to get a tesla 3 and race you:eyebrows:
Nice one:thumbsup:
Just always remember to sanitise your hands after handling the packaging, and do that with *everything* else you touch that comes into your house.
Marco.
things that come in like mail etc dont get touched if possible for 24 hrs min.. got meds today and the guy didnt want me to sign(ie touch his thing lol)as you dont.... it was opened upstairs and left the parts open while i washed myself.. i wont touch it again for a day or 2. Im taking no damn risks i dont have to.
I rounded up all the bottles of hand sanitizer i have in jackets and car etc and added extra isopropyl to them to make sure they are all over 70%.. some are well over...just as well i dont smoke:eek:
Yup, these home delivery services will be getting incredibly busy , me thinks.
We've used Tesco home delivery for almost 12 years, when my daughter was due - normally book a slot for Saturday or worst case Sunday on Thursday evening -logged on last night and nothing available until Monday 7pm. :(
Ha - I'm still off it for Lent! Four weeks to go.....
And besides, we've probably got more booze here than most restaurants! At least 150 bottles of wine alone... If you run out, give me a shout;)
Marco.
I may just hold you to that! :lol:
Great time to get a good deal on one, though! And we'll be looking to do that soon. Del still has her eye on a nice Fiat Abarth:
https://www.abarthcars.co.uk/abarth-695-anniversary
Marco.
Thought she'd ordered a Mini? :scratch: Del Two Cars? :lol:
A school / nursery next to the Royal Free Hospital also closed for deep cleaning. Not good.
I've always wondered about that expression ever since I first heard it at a place I worked back in about 2003. There it meant that they were actually going to clean as opposed to doing absolutely nothing (the place was minging and people were getting rashes off the dust. It was here in the UK too not France in case you were justifiably wondering.)
I mean somewhere or something is either clean or it isn't. What is the alternative to a 'deep clean', a lick and a promise? Someone spits on a handkerchief and then just rubs really hard at the worst bits?
Shouldn't somewhere like a hospital be 'deep cleaned' every day just as a matter of course?
walpurgis
13-03-2020, 18:04
I 'deep cleaned' my arse this morning. It's still smarting a bit! :D
You're not supposed to use the bog brush for that.
walpurgis
13-03-2020, 18:07
:scratch: What's it for then?
:scratch: What's it for then?
its for combing your hair when unruly
I 'deep cleaned' my arse this morning. It's still smarting a bit! :D
Did you sharpen your chisel first?
Marco.
I've always wondered about that expression ever since I first heard it at a place I worked back in about 2003. There it meant that they were actually going to clean as opposed to doing absolutely nothing (the place was minging and people were getting rashes off the dust. It was here in the UK too not France in case you were justifiably wondering.)
I mean somewhere or something is either clean or it isn't. What is the alternative to a 'deep clean', a lick and a promise? Someone spits on a handkerchief and then just rubs really hard at the worst bits?
Shouldn't somewhere like a hospital be 'deep cleaned' every day just as a matter of course?
hospitals in my younger days were deep cleaned every day. Now they dont even do it well when they are deep cleaning. The old Bangour hospital here was just ww1 huts but noone ever found a speck of dirt in one... the matrons were like captain Bligh
Thought she'd ordered a Mini? :scratch: Del Two Cars? :lol:
Nope she changed her mind and wanted something smaller and sportier. Plus, she's always loved Fiat 500s - especially the [very dinky] little original!
Marco.
walpurgis
13-03-2020, 18:14
Fortunately, the shock from igniting a couple of big farts dislodged most of the clag, so the chisel wasn't needed.
hospitals in my younger days were deep cleaned every day. Now they dont even do it well when they are deep cleaning. The old Bangour hospital here was just ww1 huts but noone ever found a speck of dirt in one... the matrons were like captain Bligh
That's back in the days when lots of people took personal pride in doing a good job even if they could get away with doing jack. The hospitals, the primary school I went to, you could have eaten off the floors.
So what's the excuse for your, erm, 'rather organic' man hut, daftee?:eek::eyebrows::ner::door:
;)
Marco.
So what's the excuse for your, erm, 'rather organic' man hut, daftee?:eek::eyebrows::ner::door:
;)
Marco.
No-one's paying me to clean up. I have to do it on my own time and for nothing. Actually first time I went to your place I noticed that it wasn't exactly pristine but I took that as a good sign in that you must be pretty normal. :D
Now when I had a paid job as a cleaner that was different.
Haha. yeah, as you say 'normal', and that would've been when we had the old kitchen in, which defo was 'organic'!:eek:
You said you liked it though, ya mad bassa:D
Marco.
a GUY called out another GUY for having substandard (according to_probably_ his Mrs’) standards...
As a species...and a cultural phenomenon, is this the end for us “Men”?
(asking for a Friend...1 in 2 of the population...) :eek:
Haha. yeah, as you say 'normal', and that would've been when we had the old kitchen in, which defo was 'organic'!:eek:
You said you liked it though, ya mad bassa:D
Marco.
It was 'rustic'. New one is better though.
I used to keep my house nice but it's not so good now. Not manky but not pristine now.
It was 'rustic'. New one is better though.
Just a tad:eyebrows:
In any case, a totally pristine (bleached to buggery) house tells me one of three truisms about the owner(s):
1) They have severe OCD.
2) They don't have anything else better to do with their spare time/no real life.
3) A combination of the above!
;)
Marco.
Made in 1968
13-03-2020, 19:06
Just a tad:eyebrows:
In any case, a totally pristine (bleached to buggery) house tells me one of three truisms about the owner(s):
1) They have severe OCD.
2) They don't have anything else better to do with their spare time/no real life.
3) A combination of the above!
;)
Marco.
:eyebrows:
a GUY called out another GUY for having a substandard (according to_probably_ his Mrs’) standards...
As a species...and a cultural phenomenon, is this the end for us “Men”?
(asking for a Friend...1 in 2 of the population...) :eek:
Lol... You're being very old-fashioned, Gaz-baz... Who says that the cleaning is always down to the lady of the house? That simply doesn't happen in the 21st century, especially when most couples have full-time jobs, so why should it be the "Mrs" who cleans?
We've always shared the task, and more recently when I went semi-retired and was working from home, I've done it all.
Marco.
Nope she changed her mind and wanted something smaller and sportier. Plus, she's always loved Fiat 500s - especially the [very dinky] little original!
Marco.
My mate has an original Arbarth 500 - he also has a Ferrari, and often takes them both to local car shows - the 500 always gets the most attention, especially from the ladies! It’s absolutely immaculate as all his cars are, and yes, have to agree they’re cute! :)
Lol... You're being very old-fashioned, Gaz-baz... Who says that the cleaning is always down to the lady of the house? That simply doesn't happen in the 21st century, especially when most couples have full-time jobs, so why should it be the "Mrs" who cleans?
We've always shared the task, and more recently when I went semi-retired and was working from home, I've done it all.
Marco.
I think it is the giving a shit that Gaz is talking about.
Time is the thing though, I'm out 11 hours a day and I like to get 8 hours kip, that only leaves 5 hours for me which is either music or telly time. Back when I was on the rock and roll the place was immaculate. Old houses harder to keep clean too.
Pigmy Pony
13-03-2020, 19:34
Time as a commodity becomes increasingly precious as we get older, and I wouldn't be spending much of my 5 hours a day leisure time on cleaning, that's for sure. Luckily Mrs. P does most of it. If it were left to me our standards would be rather lower, but not minging.
I did actually employ a cleaner but her house burned down and she had to move away before she even got started.
I think it is the giving a shit that Gaz is talking about.
Time is the thing though, I'm out 11 hours a day and I like to get 8 hours kip, that only leaves 5 hours for me which is either music or telly time. Back when I was on the rock and roll the place was immaculate. Old houses harder to keep clean too.
Wot - it's only women who give a shit how clean the house is? That's not true either. I'm more fastidious about that than Del is - always have been. Ditto my dad, compared with my mum (and he was the one out working all the time), although neither my mum or Del were/are mucky pups:)
However, I agree very much about older properties being much harder to keep clean.
Marco.
Time as a commodity becomes increasingly precious as we get older...
Or, you have much more of it than you've ever had, because you're retired!;)
That's the healthier reality. TIME is defo a precious commodity though, regardless, and for me *MUCH* more important than money, for all sorts of reasons, most of all considering the effects of the current pandemic...
Not much point having worked like a dog for years, amassed pots of cash in the bank, and having sacrificed your personal relationships accordingly, once you're dead!! That's why you also have to live for the moment, not just plan for the future, as the future you've planned might never happen.
Marco.
Made in 1968
13-03-2020, 19:44
Well im mega OCD with the housework. Chezza is that one thats not too fussed.
My mate has an original Arbarth 500 - he also has a Ferrari, and often takes them both to local car shows - the 500 always gets the most attention, especially from the ladies! It’s absolutely immaculate as all his cars are, and yes, have to agree they’re cute! :)
Yup, they're gorgeous little things - proper driver's cars! And I'll be ensuring that it's kept as finely-tuned as possible, and always looking immaculate:)
Marco.
Well im mega OCD with the housework. Chezza is that one thats not too fussed.
Ha - there you go... So much for stereotypes!!:lol:
Marco.
I had a mate who was looking for a house to rent and another who had a spare house to rent so I put them together and this bloke's been living there ten years now. But he's getting married in the autumn so he's moving in with the bird. I swear to god he has not cleaned that place once in all that time.
But now he has to leave it looking at least half decent when he leaves. I mean, Marco, if you think my place is a bit messy you have got no idea. This is unbelievable. It is going to take him a week full time to scratch the surface of it. And he isn't the worst I know by a long shot.
Ha - there you go... So much for stereotypes!!:lol:
Marco.
Me too, Sue drives me to distraction with her tardiness - she’ll make a cup of tea, a simple enough operation, but the mess! Cup cupboard door left open, spoon draw left open, lid of tea bag canister left off, tea bag and spoon left on the counter, milk left out of the fridge, wet “ring” from the cup not wiped up. Sometimes the fridge door left open. Apparently I’m “anal” for having a problem with any of this... :rolleyes:
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Made in 1968
13-03-2020, 20:00
Time as a commodity becomes increasingly precious as we get older, and I wouldn't be spending much of my 5 hours a day leisure time on cleaning, that's for sure. Luckily Mrs. P does most of it. If it were left to me our standards would be rather lower, but not minging.
One of the reasons i have a sparce modern pristine home, People think your at it all the time keeping up the show room appearance but believe me you are not.
Me too, Sue drives me to distraction with her tardiness - she’ll make a cup of tea, a simple enough operation, but the mess! Cup cupboard door left open, spoon draw left open, lid of tea bag canister left off, tea bag and spoon left on the counter, milk left out of the fridge, wet “ring” from the cup not wiped up. Sometimes the fridge door left open. Apparently I’m “anal” for having a problem with any of this... :rolleyes:
Sent from my iPad using TapatalkBoot her ass.. Or spank it.. Yes, spank is best [emoji23]
I had a mate who was looking for a house to rent and another who had a spare house to rent so I put them together and this bloke's been living there ten years now. But he's getting married in the autumn so he's moving in with the bird. I swear to god he has not cleaned that place once in all that time.
But now he has to leave it looking at least half decent when he leaves. I mean, Marco, if you think my place is a bit messy you have got no idea. This is unbelievable. It is going to take him a week full time to scratch the surface of it. And he isn't the worst I know by a long shot.
Lol - so why live like that (in such a pigsty)? For me, there are only two possible reasons:
1) Mental health issues (generally depression).
2) Sheer laziness.
3) A combination of the above.
And I'm not referring here to your gaff (which is not like that), but those you've just described of your mates. I don't buy the 'It's just a single bloke's thing', as I can *ASSURE* you, if I lived on my own, the place would be tidy, although not to OCD levels. However, I'd likely lean towards Timbo's standards of "Captain Tidy":D
For me, unless you suffer from mental health issues, liable to influence matters accordingly, there's NO acceptable excuse for living in a midden!:nono:
Marco.
Lol - so why live like that (in such a pigsty)? For me, there are only two possible reasons:
1) Mental health issues (generally depression).
2) Sheer laziness.
3) A combination of the above.
And I'm not referring here to your gaff (which is not like that), but those you've just described of your mates. I don't buy the 'It's just a blokey thing', as I can *ASSURE* you, if I lived on my own, the place would be tidy, although not to OCD levels. However, I'd likely lean towards Timbo's standards of "Captain Tidy":D
For me, unless you suffer from mental health issues, liable to influence matters accordingly, there's NO acceptable excuse for living in a midden!:nono:
Marco.
They both have pretty high powered jobs too. I don't get it. They certainly aren't depressed, they're as happy as sandboys. I couldn't live like that though.
Me too, Sue drives me to distraction with her tardiness - she’ll make a cup of tea, a simple enough operation, but the mess! Cup cupboard door left open, spoon draw left open, lid of tea bag canister left off, tea bag and spoon left on the counter, milk left out of the fridge, wet “ring” from the cup not wiped up. Sometimes the fridge door left open. Apparently
Lol - Del does that, too... Fantastic cook, but the kitchen's like a bomb site when she's finished. It takes me longer tidying up afterwards than she's taken to cook!!:lol:
Marco.
One of the reasons i have a sparce modern pristine home, People think your at it all the time keeping up the show room appearance but believe me you are not.
Yes, that’s true, when I was on my own the place was pristine, but didn’t take much effort to keep it that way. Before kids it wasn’t too bad, but once we got a bigger place and nippers it’s not so much dirty as just a bloody mess!
Not all about the Bass..’bout the balance. :)
Kitchen or elsewhere...
Boot her ass.. Or spank it.. Yes, spank is best [emoji23]
Good suggestion! I may be gone for some time... :eyebrows:
They both have pretty high powered jobs too. I don't get it. They certainly aren't depressed, they're as happy as sandboys. I couldn't live like that though.
Filthy, lazy buggers then, mate. No other excuse. I couldn't live like that either, as the mess would get me down every time I saw it. I simply could not function in a tip!
Marco.
Good suggestion! I may be gone for some time... :eyebrows:
Somehow I think the roles would be reversed, so I'm picturing Sue doing the spanking!!
:whippin::whippin:
:D:eyebrows:
Marco.
Somehow I think the roles would be reversed, so I'm picturing Sue doing the spanking!!
:whippin::whippin:
:D:eyebrows:
Marco.
I may be gone for longer - two weeks of “self isolation” doesn’t sound so bad now (desperately trying to bring the thread back on topic! :lol: )
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Mikeandvan
13-03-2020, 23:49
I just made 3 trips to de shops, spent 150 notes, not one toilet roll did I see, tins of tomatoes gone too, just as well I got a few left over from the 2010 banking crisis, I lie, I replenished them in 2016, then again in 2018, so all good for another few weeks, cos things are happening quickly now ain;t they! I got 2 bottles of wine amongst my groceries, got one left. Sheeeet, at this rate, with unemployment and recession looming, gonna have to start buying crate loads of the stuff to keep me sane.
AJSki2fly
14-03-2020, 02:46
What I find very disconcerting is the new message to sled isolate for 7 days if you have possible symptoms and don’t call anyone or go to medical centre or hospital. If you look at the government site it says nothing about what to do if you become more ill or are having difficulty, and nothing for those with serious underlying health problems.
Seems to me they just don’t want to know and would rather you just died at home. Also seems to be a good way of not telling everyone what is actually going on, what the public don’t know won’t harm them.
Personally I think it is appalling, a complete lack of information and clear guidance.
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What I find very disconcerting is the new message to sled isolate for 7 days if you have possible symptoms and don’t call anyone or go to medical centre or hospital. If you look at the government site it says nothing about what to do if you become more ill or are having difficulty, and nothing for those with serious underlying health problems.
Seems to me they just don’t want to know and would rather you just died at home. Also seems to be a good way of not telling everyone what is actually going on, what the public don’t know won’t harm them.
Personally I think it is appalling, a complete lack of information and clear guidance.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYup it's a hide the numbers game. Only hospital numbers are getting counted it seems.
Made in 1968
14-03-2020, 06:12
I think all that is on the Govs mind is Money & business. They cannot have the country at a standstill.
walpurgis
14-03-2020, 09:09
I expect a good few vulnerable individuals 'self isolating' on their own will be found dead in their homes as time passes. The government won't give a toss.
Same applies and probably even more so in America, where anybody or anything that costs money is swept aside.
Never let it be said that benevolence got in the way of the bottom line!
Could be right Geoff. See if neighbours still pop in to older folk. Somehow I doubt it although some will. Some folk, as shown in the food grabbing can be damn selfish
walpurgis
14-03-2020, 10:17
Helen Whately, the Care Minister was an embarrassment on the news this morning. I've never heard so much obfuscating and evasion, she was incapable of giving a clear, rational and straight answer on Coronavirus policy. Obviously taken lessons in bullshit from Diane Abbott and Grant Shapps.
What I find very disconcerting is the new message to sled isolate for 7 days if you have possible symptoms and don’t call anyone or go to medical centre or hospital. If you look at the government site it says nothing about what to do if you become more ill or are having difficulty...
Presumably call for an ambulance and subsequently be treated in hospital?
Marco.
Could be right Geoff. See if neighbours still pop in to older folk. Somehow I doubt it although some will. Some folk, as shown in the food grabbing can be damn selfish
seems a bit judgemental. People are concerned that if supply chains break down, which is unlikely but not impossible, they will starve to death. Especially If you have children you are going to put that as a priority, I know I would.
Yes, but their selfish actions will impact on others in the very same situation, who equally want the best for their kids and loved ones, and so on and so forth... No-one's going to starve to death. We need to pull together as a community, not behave like rabid dogs. So panic buying and selfishly looking after No1 is not the answer, quite the opposite, as it simply exacerbates the problem.
Proper (supervised) rationing of essentials now in supermarkets, with allowances per person outlined when entering stores, and enforced at checkouts, in order to allow stocks to be replenished, is the only answer if things continue as they are.
Marco.
Yes, but their selfish actions will impact on others in the very same situation, who equally want the best for their kids and loved ones, and so on and so forth... No-one's going to starve to death. We need to pull together as a community, not behave like rabid dogs. So panic buying and selfishly looking after No1 is not the answer, quite the opposite, as it simply exacerbates the problem.
Proper (supervised) rationing of essentials now in supermarkets, with allowances per person outlined when entering stores, and enforced at till points, in order to allow stocks to be replenished, is the only answer if things continue as they are.
Marco.
I agree but we don't have that yet so what are people supposed to do? Just take a chance? I don't know anyone with children who would not trample over every other human being on the planet to get to the last tin of food if they think the alternative is going to be watching their child starve to death, It's basic human biology. It's hard-wired in. You can't blame people for it. You'd do the same and so would I.
No I wouldn't - not unless there was *NO* other option, and their very survival (and mine) was dependent on it. We're nowhere near at that stage yet, nor are we likely to be, so there's simply no excuse for panic buying!!
And I'd prevent such selfish behaviour by enforcing rationing in stores, as outlined, and people will simply have to do what they're told and like it.
As long as there's drinking water available, we'll be fine. If necessary, we can survive on minimal amounts of food - and plenty of folks these days are walking around with belly-fulls of 'reserves', probably many of whom are guilty of panic buying...!!;)
Marco.
What about Black Friday a few years ago with about 5 o r 6 clowns hanging onto one telly !. Not sure if that was sad, hilarious or just plain tragic :lol:
All three, Brian, and more. I'd have locked up the wankers.
Marco.
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dave2010
14-03-2020, 12:39
Hoarding or stock piling can be a problem, but sometimes it makes sense. Depends on who's doing it, what the stuff is, and why.
Up here in the frozen north it's not too uncommon to see an offer in Lidl, say starting on Friday, so go down to the store to stock up, and by 9am one sees someone taking all the stock of whatever out in a trolley. One could argue it's selfish, though they could be buying whatever for their local community. More likely though they are people running B&Bs who have spotted an opportunity to cut their own costs. If the "whatever" is very critical, and other people need it, then this is indeed very selfish. However, in the current climate it might also be that small communities delegate one person to stock up, so as to minimise outside contact.
Some form of sensible rationing for critical items is needed, but the emphasis should be on sensible and critical.
my daughter got me some shopping.. milk bread etc and some ready meals. will give me food until hopefully a shopping arrives:eyebrows:
hifi_dave
14-03-2020, 13:10
Just heard on LBC that the Government is planning a long term lockdown of the elderly (over 60), to be announced next week. How are the elderly to survive without food for many weeks ? A couple of weeks, fair enough but for months ??
they aint putting me in a home
hifi_dave
14-03-2020, 13:14
Lockdown, as in stay at home, not in a care home.
Lockdown, as in stay at home, not in a care home.
im already doing that :D so are most older folk i think.
walpurgis
14-03-2020, 13:27
Just heard on LBC that the Government is planning a long term lockdown of the elderly (over 60), to be announced next week. How are the elderly to survive without food for many weeks ? A couple of weeks, fair enough but for months ??
That can't be right.
Just heard on LBC that the Government is planning a long term lockdown of the elderly (over 60), to be announced next week. How are the elderly to survive without food for many weeks ? A couple of weeks, fair enough but for months ??
Dried foods and tins could easily keep you going for months, Dave. Also, don't you have any family members who could help with shopping?
Marco.
AJSki2fly
14-03-2020, 13:31
Just heard on LBC that the Government is planning a long term lockdown of the elderly (over 60), to be announced next week. How are the elderly to survive without food for many weeks ? A couple of weeks, fair enough but for months ??
WTF, and just what am I supposed to do with an ill wife and a big Irish Setter that needs to be exercised? I am probably one of the ones that if I get seriously ill with CV will not bother with treating anyway as I am high risk, F**cking cheek, I and many others have contributed to this country and deserve better. :steam:
I suspect its something just being considered at the moment amongst many other options. Implementing something like that would cause many problems in itself, and could be counter productive. ?
I dont think we are quite as far forward as many countrys in infection rates. We do have a lot of folk living alone which in many cases is good. But with govt now not counting the infection rate(probably to hide it) we might never know the scale
AJSki2fly
14-03-2020, 14:09
I dont think we are quite as far forward as many countrys in infection rates. We do have a lot of folk living alone which in many cases is good. But with govt now not counting the infection rate(probably to hide it) we might never know the scale
Well I know of a least 2 that have CV and are probably not counted.
ianlenco
14-03-2020, 14:22
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DelightfulUnhappyAracari-mobile.mp4
bright as a blackout:doh:
hifi_dave
14-03-2020, 14:38
Dried foods and tins could easily keep you going for months, Dave. Also, don't you have any family members who could help with shopping?
Marco.
I'm not thinking so much about us but other people. We live in the sticks, with no neighbours, so we can go out and not see anybody to catch anything from. We have good stocks of everything (inc loo rolls), three freezers and lots of cans of all sorts. Our grown up kids are all an hour away but could get us shopping if needs be.
Trouble is, the talk is of 3 months isolation for it to die down. That will be a nightmare for many older folk but could be doable, I suppose, if the food delivery companies keep going.
Apparently, some GP surgeries are closed now, so what are the ill to do ?
anthonyTD
14-03-2020, 14:50
Everyday since all this started, its like we are constantly waiting for some big/bigger news to hit us in the face, still waiting!!! :scratch:
I'm not thinking so much about us but other people. We live in the sticks, with no neighbours, so we can go out and not see anybody to catch anything from. We have good stocks of everything (inc loo rolls), three freezers and lots of cans of all sorts. Our grown up kids are all an hour away but could get us shopping if needs be.
Trouble is, the talk is of 3 months isolation for it to die down. That will be a nightmare for many older folk but could be doable, I suppose, if the food delivery companies keep going.
Apparently, some GP surgeries are closed now, so what are the ill to do ?
Everyday since all this started, its like we are constantly waiting for some big/bigger news to hit us in the face, still waiting!!! :scratch:
well the death rate doubled overnight...:rolleyes:
It may be best to get infected now.
Hospitals are short of space and respirators with current level of infections. If you are over 60/have underlying medical problems, and are infected in May/June, when the expectation is that the infection rate will be at a peak, then it will become a lottery on whether or not you get a respirator in hospital.
Ridiculous scenes in Tesco Colney Hatch this morning. Shelves cleared like there's been a riot. The selfishness of some people filling their trolleys with multiple packs and leaving none for others is staggering. (Plus so much for getting here early to avoid crowded spaces.)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETDZR33X0AEGBZD?format=jpg&name=small
disgrace to the country
walpurgis
14-03-2020, 15:34
It may be best to get infected now.
Hospitals are short of space and respirators with current level of infections. If you are over 60/have underlying medical problems, and are infected in May/June, when the expectation is that the infection rate will be at a peak, then it will become a lottery on whether or not you get a respirator in hospital.
I doubt getting infected is good for anybody.
The hospitals will be approaching the limit of patients they can adequately treat now, never mind in three months!
Ridiculous scenes in Tesco Colney Hatch this morning. Shelves cleared like there's been a riot. The selfishness of some people filling their trolleys with multiple packs and leaving none for others is staggering. (Plus so much for getting here early to avoid crowded spaces.)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETDZR33X0AEGBZD?format=jpg&name=small
disgrace to the country
A London store I see... Words fail me, especially the management and staff who've allowed the place to get into such a state!:doh::rolleyes:
Marco.
southall-1998_mk2
14-03-2020, 15:47
Disgusting. That is prime example of low IQ behaviour.
S.
Outer London please dear boy..... almost country pumpkin territory !
Made in 1968
14-03-2020, 15:54
A London store I see... Words fail me, especially the management and staff who've allowed the place to get into such a state!:doh::rolleyes:
Marco.
Fucking disgusting. Was the same in our supermarket this afternoon. Only popped in for some milk & the people buying enough bog rolls to last a year. I was on the verge of having one clever basterd pushing his way about. Utter twatish behaviour
walpurgis
14-03-2020, 15:56
Ridiculous scenes in Tesco Colney Hatch this morning.
Hardly surprising knowing the area.
They'll be raiding supermarket delivery vans next!
Outer London please dear boy..... almost country pumpkin territory !
Why would you care - you live in Hampstead!:ner:
What's the scene like in supermarkets where you are?
Marco.
Made in 1968
14-03-2020, 15:59
Its like Bog Rolls, Tinned stuff like Tornatoes, Hand wash & wipes. What they think theres gonna be a nuclear war or summert! Ferkin; idiots
walpurgis
14-03-2020, 16:03
And what's this nonsense about cleaning mobile phones. Surely, if you're the only user it's pointless?
Fucking disgusting. Was the same in our supermarket this afternoon. Only popped in for some milk & the people buying enough bog rolls to last a year. I was on the verge of having one clever basterd pushing his way about. Utter twatish behaviour
I don't get the OBSESSION though with bog roll... If necessary, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest to jump into the shower and wash my arse after taking a shit, which is precisely what the likes of bidets are for - and far more hygienic than loo roll!
Marco.
I'm depressed already.. Comedy on and opened a bottle of Buffalo Trace.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200314/e0e5eb0d6f680bd2e7e0f2c1561e2333.jpg
I don't get the OBSESSION though over bog roll... If necessary, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest to jump into the shower and wash my arse after taking a shit, which is precisely what the likes of bidets are for!
Marco.
Just remember to put some bleach down the U bend afterwards :booty:
Johnny nocash
14-03-2020, 16:21
Absolutely ridiculous stuff ......
I forgot to get my pound back on the trolley!
Just remember to put some bleach down the U bend afterwards :booty:
Yesh, but only after depositing a 'big load'!:D
The point I was making though remains valid.
Marco.
Definitely - the same thought has occurred to me.
However, I'd likely lean towards Timbo's standards of "Captain Tidy":D
Ha, I resemble that remark :lol:
Not so tidy right now though Marco - whilst in self-isolation I've pulled everything out of everywhere and having a good sort out for the charity shop and tip - so it looks like a jumble sale at the moment! When I've downsized/organised somewhat, I'm going to redecorate, buy a few new bits and bobs and put a projector and 120" screen in the front room. So that should keep me busy for a few weeks.
It'll be tidy when I'm done mind you ;)
Ridiculous scenes in Tesco Colney Hatch this morning. Shelves cleared like there's been a riot. The selfishness of some people filling their trolleys with multiple packs and leaving none for others is staggering. (Plus so much for getting here early to avoid crowded spaces.)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETDZR33X0AEGBZD?format=jpg&name=small
disgrace to the country
lol - the revolution won't be televised but the end of the world is on all the rolling news channels.
Government strategy - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsscotland/uk-government-risky-herd-immunity-coronavirus-plan-aims-to-get-people-infected/ar-BB11bYHo?ocid=spartandhp
This is what I was trying to explain the other day, but of course...
Made in 1968
14-03-2020, 22:32
Aye & effective way of society Cleansing i suppose.
Very risky, given this is an unknown virus.
UK seems to be going it alone with this strategy.
lol - the revolution won't be televised but the end of the world is on all the rolling news channels.
Government strategy - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsscotland/uk-government-risky-herd-immunity-coronavirus-plan-aims-to-get-people-infected/ar-BB11bYHo?ocid=spartandhp
This is what I was trying to explain the other day, but of course...
Yes, they certainly do. But look on the bright side, you can send it to the USA by aeroplane.
France have just entered into Stage 3.
All un-essential shops are now closed. Restaurants, cafes and places of public gathering are closed.
We could have five weeks of staying at home.
hifi_dave
15-03-2020, 09:48
They are talking of 4 months isolation for the vulnerable.
walpurgis
15-03-2020, 09:55
They are talking of 4 months isolation for the vulnerable.
That includes me and the wife. I have no objection as long as I can still order what I need online, it's a sensible move. No doubt it may get boring, but when one's life is potentially on the line one gets a new perspective. I've been largely self-isolating for weeks anyway.
get ready people bulk buying beer once it sinks in that pubs may be closed:cool:
hifi_dave
15-03-2020, 10:06
After this is over, we will be looking at a different world. All the myriad of tiny businesses, pubs, restaurants, shops and coffee shops, will be struggling after a few weeks and many of them will disappear.
walpurgis
15-03-2020, 10:08
get ready people bulk buying beer once it sinks in that pubs may be closed:cool:
Not many pubs or pub drinkers left around here.
The panic buying will end soon. The greedy and selfish can only stockpile so much.
brave new world indeed. :doh: only 4 months of isolation then? thats better than normal for me then ;)
hifi_dave
15-03-2020, 10:29
This is like one of those end-of-the-world films but is really happening.
The virus is one thing but the damage it will be doing to the World is significant. In a few weeks, there will be millions of unemployed and numerous small businesses gone. Without some sort of legislation, how are we going to survive 4 months of isolation without going to the shops and what about essential GP and hospital visits ? Will our medication still be available ?
We are already feeling isolated as this was to be a family weekend but our kids and grandkids have decided not to risk contaminating us, so we are on our own.
It's scarey.
Just been the supermarket, no panic buying, no shortage of anything, just utter bollocks as usual.
walpurgis
15-03-2020, 10:36
Don't forget one of these to pick your mail up :).
https://i.imgur.com/rV8P5R5.png
Yup... I don't have to go anywhere, and Del's now self-isolating and working remotely from home, so everything necessary is in place. We're only going out to get essentials, and we've got enough of those to last a while.
The important thing is, folks, stay as safe as possible, take all the necessary precautions, and don't go out unless you absolutely must!
Marco.
Don't forget one of these to pick your mail up :).
https://i.imgur.com/rV8P5R5.pngGot 2 lol
don't go out unless you absolutely must!
Marco.
I have to go out to work 5 days a week, what am I and the tens of millions of others who also have to work supposed to do?
for healthy under 60's its not going to be a serious illness for 99% as i understand it. most will find it similar to a cold. alas they will be highly contagious for a week or so. Almost all deaths have been from the over 60 and unwell groups. if you are both over 60 and unwell, especially lung, heart issues then it will be very dangerous.
Most younger healthy folk will probably be better catching it according to our esteemed pm:rolleyes:
I have to go out to work 5 days a week, what am I and the tens of millions of others who also have to work supposed to do?
Wear a mask and gloves.
If you need space, just cough.
Made in 1968
15-03-2020, 11:24
Just been the supermarket, no panic buying, no shortage of anything, just utter bollocks as usual.
ofc it is. Told the other half yesterday they will all be stocked back up tomorrow. It a matter of just getting the stock from a central Warehouse to the shop.
Now the big topic is people cannot afford to be off work, The Gov idea of paying you is cobblers, too much messing about & waiting for money. People will go to work ill or not, They have to & will do.
Wakefield Turntables
15-03-2020, 11:30
0.000000008%. That's the death mortality for the worlds total population. GET A FUCKING GRIP PEOPLE!!!
Most younger healthy folk will probably be better catching it according to our esteemed pm:rolleyes:
You mean according to the chief medical officer and the chief scientific officer?
AJSki2fly
15-03-2020, 11:33
0.000000008%. That's the death mortality for the worlds total population. GET A FUCKING GRIP PEOPLE!!!
Where did you get that figure from?
Wakefield Turntables
15-03-2020, 11:49
Total corona deaths divided by current worlds population. Put things into context.
not very scientific is it..:D
https://youtu.be/Hks6Nq7g6P4
AJSki2fly
15-03-2020, 13:17
Total corona deaths divided by current worlds population. Put things into context.
Personally I don't think that is a very valid measurement at all.
My understanding is that it is generally accepted that eventually most of the world population will get COVID-19, based on currently know statistics of those that have had it, about 80% will get it mildly and recover easily and quickly, around 15% will be badly affected and will require medical treatment with most making a full recovery and the remaining 5% will unfortunately be very ill will require critical life support, of this 5% about 20% will not survive. This is based on current WHO figures.
I think if you do the maths then even if only about 80% of the population actually get it then the death rate is likely to be substantially higher than your % figure. By the way as pointed out earlier if the leaked figures from China are actually true then it may be even worse.
Made in 1968
15-03-2020, 13:33
GOV Honest! Give me a break ffks
I have to go out to work 5 days a week, what am I and the tens of millions of others who also have to work supposed to do?
Couldn't your employers use available cloud technology and let you work from home? It's office-based work you do, isn't it? Do you have a decent phone line and computer at home, mate? Surely, if that's the case, there's nothing you could do at work that you couldn't effectively also do at home?
I don't know... Educate me - in terms of tasks, what does your typical day involve?:)
Plus, if things keep going the way they are, all large businesses/factories, etc, may be closed, so you could end up at home anyway.
Marco.
Wakefield Turntables
15-03-2020, 13:37
Personally I don't think that is a very valid measurement at all.
My understanding is that it is generally accepted that eventually most of the world population will get COVID-19, based on currently know statistics of those that have had it, about 80% will get it mildly and recover easily and quickly, around 15% will be badly affected and will require medical treatment with most making a full recovery and the remaining 5% will unfortunately be very ill will require critical life support, of this 5% about 20% will not survive. This is based on current WHO figures.
I think if you do the maths then even if only about 80% of the population actually get it then the death rate is likely to be substantially higher than your % figure. By the way as pointed out earlier if the leaked figures from China are actually true then it may be even worse.
All speculative and predictive at the moment. No individual, government, or population modelling software can predict the true outcome. It's more to do with the virulence of COVID 19.
Couldn't your employers use available cloud technology and let you work from home? It's office-based work you do, isn't it? Do you have a decent phone line and computer at home, mate? Surely, if that's the case, there's nothing you could do at work that you couldn't effectively also do at home?
I don't know... Educate me - in terms of tasks, what does your typical day involve?:)
Plus, if things keep going the way they are, all large businesses/factories, etc, may be closed, so you could end up at home anyway.
Marco.
Yes, I could work from home, not likely to happen though. You can't use your own computer due to the danger of it infecting the network so they'd have to issue us all computers...can't see that. What I do isn't short-term 'business-critical' as they call it, so if it comes to it I'd just get to stay home unpaid for a couple of weeks.
I see, no worries. I thought it would be possible, one way or the other!:)
You never know, with things going the way they are, it might become a reality. I was also under the impression that the government were funding (or contributing to) any loss of earnings folks will have from being made to work from home, or requiring sick leave, as a result of the Coronavirus?
See 'Business support' section: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses
Marco.
Ali Tait
15-03-2020, 18:04
Guess I am more at risk than most, having to work on site. Currently working in London, travelling weekly and staying in hotels. Ironically, the project consists of replacing a 132/33kV transformer, built and supplied by an Italian firm. For the last few weeks they have been flying an engineer in to oversee the installation...
Hope you stay safe and virus-free, Ali:)
Marco.
Ali Tait
15-03-2020, 18:10
Cheers mate, odds are I’ll get it though. Probably best just to get it over with.
Yeah, I get that mentality. If you do get it, you'll almost likely only experience mild symptoms, and then become immune, so it's no biggie:)
Marco.
Ali Tait
15-03-2020, 19:21
Hopefully!
Aye, you'll be all right.
Marco.
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