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walpurgis
03-05-2020, 20:43
I am trying to watch Van Dee Walk and suffer the shit ads, what really really pisses me of is the banks, insurance companies, media cosmosnied and anyone else you can think of trying to put a spin on their ad that they are their for us.
Absolutely disgusting, and extremely poor taste
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Don't forget all the bloodsucking 'funeral plan' companies touting for business left right and centre. I'll bet they're rubbing their hands with glee at the moment and will no doubt have massively boosted their premiums and added suitable loadings and clauses to ensure they come out well ahead!
Just hope that my "with profits" managed endowment policy has invested wisely!
Ok, no worries.
Gaz, I appreciate your intentions are good mate, but you're beginning to sound like a broken record...:doh:
No offence, but it's coming across more like you want everyone to do what YOU think is right (based on your level of risk assessment), rather than folks using their own judgement. Anyway, let's leave it there now, please.
Marco,
Just to say I've had loads of curries delivered and at no time have me and the delivery person come within 15 feet of each other. Zero risk to either of us.
Ok, no worries.
Appreciated, mate. We just have a slightly different way of looking at these things:)
Marco.
Bksabath
04-05-2020, 12:24
Look here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2A2xNLWR4
59 may help staying alive
the rest are also pretty good
walpurgis
09-05-2020, 11:28
Wow. That's a really astute observation, I'm sure that wouldn't have occurred to the rest of us! :rolleyes:
https://futuretv.in/coronavirus-young-men-more-likely-to-ignore-lockdown/
I expect some 'expert' is getting paid a fortune for these thoughts.
Pigmy Pony
09-05-2020, 11:58
As a young man myself, I take exception at being tarred with this brush, and I find these frequent 'snowflake' comments really hurtful. My therapist says I should just ignore them, but it's hard.
Wow. That's a really astute observation, I'm sure that wouldn't have occurred to the rest of us! :rolleyes:
https://futuretv.in/coronavirus-young-men-more-likely-to-ignore-lockdown/
I expect some 'expert' is getting paid a fortune for these thoughts.
The psychologists say the government must do more to explain the reasons for ongoing physical distancing to help young people understand lockdown rules.
And while the government is explaining that to them maybe it could wipe their arses for them too?
Pigmy Pony
09-05-2020, 12:08
on yesterday's coronavirus 'Briefing', a young journalist asked why, since the 100,000 tests target was achieved a week ago, they have failed to reach that target every single day, and also asked why some people have had to wait as much as ten days for test results to come back. Through extensive use of flannel neither question was answered.
I've watched a few of these "briefings" now, and the novelty has well and truly worn off. So this afternoon I'll flick over to the Sci-fi channel for something more believable.
walpurgis
09-05-2020, 12:19
There's not one of them or their advisors really has a clue.
Now they're saying new arrivals in the UK should be quarantined. If they'd done that at the end of January when they could see what was coming, there would have been no infections here!
If they'd done that at the end of January when they could see what was coming, there would have been no infections here!
Nail > head...!!
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
09-05-2020, 18:19
Is it me, or has that map of the UK, which when you hover over it gives your local infection figures disappeared. it wasn't updated yesterday and it seems to have disappeared totally now.
cynical twat that I am I'm wondering why??
I really am getting very sick of being lied to by that shower of shite running this country, and the way that the "science" seems designed to cover up their mistakes.
AJSki2fly
09-05-2020, 20:08
There's not one of them or their advisors really has a clue.
Now they're saying new arrivals in the UK should be quarantined. If they'd done that at the end of January when they could see what was coming, there would have been no infections here!
Sorry wrong, it escaped China in November and was in north Italy in December and people were dying but they did not know what it was, they thought a new flu. Lots went skiing including Brits and it was here in January and spreading. Same through rest of EU. But I agree shutting the border would have helped.
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walpurgis
10-05-2020, 08:40
So the new message from the government is "Stay Alert". What the heck does that mean, are they expecting an air raid, are there pirates about? Bloody nonsense!
So the new message from the government is "Stay Alert". What the heck does that mean, are they expecting an air raid, are there pirates about? Bloody nonsense!
and dont waste coal
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/KP4KF7/ww2-vintage-uk-propaganda-poster-1940s-british-government-alert-during-KP4KF7.jpg
So the new message from the government is "Stay Alert". What the heck does that mean, are they expecting an air raid, are there pirates about? Bloody nonsense!
Stay Alert, reminds me of the old saying from many years back.......... YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS LERTS.
I don't know about stay alert; I'm struggling to stay awake.
Marco.
anthonyTD
10-05-2020, 09:17
When the first plan starts unravaling, get ready for the backup plan, they always have one! ;)
I don't know about stay alert; I'm struggling to stay awake.
Marco.
walpurgis
10-05-2020, 09:34
And now a major revelation on BBC news. Believe it or not, you can actually tell when somebody wearing a face mask is smiling by looking at their eyes.
How old are these people, five?
walpurgis
10-05-2020, 09:48
and dont waste coal
Can you identify the bomber shown? It was rare.
Pigmy Pony
10-05-2020, 09:50
And now a major revelation on BBC news. Believe it or not, you can actually tell when somebody wearing a face mask is smiling by looking at their eyes.
How old are these people, five?
if everyone has to wear masks when out and about, I wonder if talking 'selfies' will become less popular? (I need to take that picture again - I blinked) :(
can you identify the bomber shown? It was rare.
looks like a manchester by avro
walpurgis
10-05-2020, 10:04
looks like a manchester by avro
Handley Page Halifax. Mk.II or Mk.III with the less commonly used Merlin engines. Alan Blumlein who invented stereo was killed in one that crashed.
Handley Page Halifax. Mk.II or Mk.III with the less commonly used Merlin engines. Alan Blumlein who invented stereo was killed in one that crashed.
thought it was a 2 engine manchester, which was the base for the lanc
if everyone has to wear masks when out and about, I wonder if talking 'selfies' will become less popular? (I need to take that picture again - I blinked) :(
I've been giving something a lot of thought recently, as I'm naturally a considerate chap... Aside from our faces, and given the extreme toxicity of our botty emissions, do you think you and I should be tying a 'mask' to our arses, kind of like a mini-tarpaulin (which when 'filled' inflates like a parachute), thus transporting us upwards and away from endangering the public?
It's something that's been troubling me greatly (no doubt also you) since the outbreak of this pandemic, as I'm mindful of the potentially fatal effects of infecting folks with a 'double whammy'.
Whaddya think?:hmm:
Marco.
When the first plan starts unravaling, get ready for the backup plan, they always have one! ;)
Aye - and that's the one that worries me!
Marco.
walpurgis
10-05-2020, 11:05
I've been giving something a lot of thought recently, as I'm naturally a considerate chap... Aside from our faces, and given the extreme toxicity of our botty emissions, do you think you and I should be tying a 'mask' to our arses, kind of like a mini-tarpaulin (which when 'filled' inflates like a parachute), thus transporting us upwards, away from endangering the public?
It's something that's been troubling me greatly (no doubt also you) since the outbreak of this pandemic, as I'm mindful of the potentially fatal effects of infecting folks with a 'double whammy'.
Whaddya think?:hmm:
Marco.
Sorted! :)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bulb-Plug-Weights-BIG-Anal-Butt-Large-Stopper-Stainless-Steel-Metal-Jeweled-Toys/383331647579?hash=item594058c05b:m:mFKLr_Uuz4X0zXr uVy14I1w
Pigmy Pony
10-05-2020, 11:06
I've been giving something a lot of thought recently, as I'm naturally a considerate chap... Aside from our faces, and given the extreme toxicity of our botty emissions, do you think you and I should be tying a 'mask' to our arses, kind of like a mini-tarpaulin (which when 'filled' inflates like a parachute), thus transporting us upwards and away from endangering the public?
It's something that's been troubling me greatly (no doubt also you) since the outbreak of this pandemic, as I'm mindful of the potentially fatal effects of infecting folks with a 'double whammy'.
Whaddya think?:hmm:
Marco.
It is a concern, particularly as your coughs and sneezes are usually accompanied by a corresponding rearward chuff. I think you'll be ok, your adult nappy should catch them. But it'll only work as long as you wear it - leaving it at home just because your mankini can't adequately conceal it puts everyone in danger.
Sorted! :)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bulb-Plug-Weights-BIG-Anal-Butt-Large-Stopper-Stainless-Steel-Metal-Jeweled-Toys/383331647579?hash=item594058c05b:m:mFKLr_Uuz4X0zXr uVy14I1w
:lolsign:
You're just not taking this seriously, are you?:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-05-2020, 11:13
The size options listed - is that length, or "calibre"? I'm not doing anything till I know, as I've been ripped off before :(
It is a concern, particularly as your coughs and sneezes are usually accompanied by a corresponding rearward chuff. I think you'll be ok, your adult nappy should catch them. But it'll only work as long as you wear it - leaving it at home just because your mankini can't adequately conceal it puts everyone in danger.
I was hoping that this would cover all bases, and look pretty for Easter:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/UP8Y5G.jpg
The rear automatically inflates when fart gas is detected.
Marco.
So the new message from the government is "Stay Alert". What the heck does that mean, are they expecting an air raid, are there pirates about? Bloody nonsense!
Not for Scotland.. Wee Nicola said she had not heard of it and has no idea what it means... we will be keeping the old one.. TBH she has handled this a damn sight better than the clowns in westminster... Boris only shows if there is something he fancies delivering himself... a clown of a pm quite frankly imo
Aye, wee 'Jimmy Krankie' for PM!:thumbsup:
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
10-05-2020, 13:35
TBH she has handled this a damn sight better than the clowns in westminster... Boris only shows if there is something he fancies delivering himself... a clown of a pm quite frankly imo
A clown is too polite, the country got what it deserved when they elected that piece of lying evasive shite, and of course covid is going to be the excuse when we crash out without an EU trade agreement.
Still at least this time he won't be able to dive into a freezer to avoid awkward questions.. :wanker:
prestonchipfryer
10-05-2020, 14:07
A clown is too polite, the country got what it deserved when they elected that piece of lying evasive shite, and of course covid is going to be the excuse when we crash out without an EU trade agreement.
Still at least this time he won't be able to dive into a freezer to avoid awkward questions.. :wanker:
:lol:
The P M s made mistakes for sure and he s a love/hate figure but the armchair experts on here and social media in general :eyebrows:.
Pierre De Grenoble
10-05-2020, 14:41
I don't do social media, I leave that to puerile peeps..
but I was bitching during the election about when it had become acceptable for Politicians to lie, and I'm still bitching now, I'm no arm chair expert, I've just had my eyes and ears open for all my life, unlike many.. :eyebrows: :scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scra tch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch:: scratch:
walpurgis
10-05-2020, 14:41
The P M s made mistakes for sure and he s a love/hate figure but the armchair experts on here and social media in general :eyebrows:.
Ah, perhaps you know Brian. What's the "Stay Alert" slogan about? :scratch:
As I said before .... Your Country Needs Lerts :)
I don't do social media, I leave that to puerile peeps..
but I was bitching during the election about when it had become acceptable for Politicians to lie, and I'm still bitching now, I'm no arm chair expert, I've just had my eyes and ears open for all my life, unlike many.. :eyebrows: :scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scra tch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch::scratch:: scratch:
Indeed, and ditto. But remember that 'our Brian' is a staunch Tory!;)
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
10-05-2020, 15:07
Aye, wee 'Jimmy Krankie' for PM!:thumbsup:
Marco.
I usually keep out of politics but I think you are correct on this one. I think she is the only one that talks any kind of sense. :)
walpurgis
10-05-2020, 15:12
As I said before .... Your Country Needs Lerts :)
I bet Grant Shapps thought up "Stay Alert", the term is about as useless as most things he comes up with.
The Scottish government are trying to distance themselves from it and I don't actually think anybody at all knows what it's about.
Could be about an impending alien invasion I suppose. I'll keep my eyes open, you never know!
Lol - defo, but in terms of talking sense, you may wish to have another go at this:
I think she is the only what he talks any kind of sense. :)
;)
Sturgeon, however, is one of the few leading British politicians who are in politics for the RIGHT reasons [to genuinely try and make things better for the majority of people], rather than simply selfish, egotistical gain, such as Boris the Blustering Buffoon.
Marco.
Sorted! :)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bulb-Plug-Weights-BIG-Anal-Butt-Large-Stopper-Stainless-Steel-Metal-Jeweled-Toys/383331647579?hash=item594058c05b:m:mFKLr_Uuz4X0zXr uVy14I1w
Made the mistake of clicking on that link - goddness knows what that's done for my ebay browsing history! :doh:
Not for Scotland.. Wee Nicola said she had not heard of it and has no idea what it means... we will be keeping the old one.. TBH she has handled this a damn sight better than the clowns in westminster... Boris only shows if there is something he fancies delivering himself... a clown of a pm quite frankly imo
Spot on Grant!
walpurgis
10-05-2020, 15:34
Made the mistake of clicking on that link - goddness knows what that's done for my ebay browsing history! :doh:
:D
Think basically the message will be as before stay in but if you need to go out " STAY ALERT ". Simples. Just be socially aware of other folk and be sensible.But as usual Scotland and Wales are perfect
and poor old England gets everything wrong. And if your from London yer even more wrong :eyebrows:
Which end is which?
(asking for a friend...)
Sorted! :)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bulb-Plug-Weights-BIG-Anal-Butt-Large-Stopper-Stainless-Steel-Metal-Jeweled-Toys/383331647579?hash=item594058c05b:m:mFKLr_Uuz4X0zXr uVy14I1w
None of the Devolved Country leaders in the Union were even consulted, Sturgeon found out about it through the media.
Now Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has got one of his Goons putting out a message saying It would be helpful if the Country went forward "with one voice" on dealing with the Pandemic.
Fannys!
Not for Scotland.. Wee Nicola said she had not heard of it and has no idea what it means... we will be keeping the old one.. TBH she has handled this a damn sight better than the clowns in westminster... Boris only shows if there is something he fancies delivering himself... a clown of a pm quite frankly imo
prestonchipfryer
10-05-2020, 16:42
Lol - defo, but in terms of talking sense, you may wish to have another go at this:
;)
Sturgeon, however, is one of the few leading British politicians who are in politics for the RIGHT reasons [to genuinely try and make things better for the majority of people], rather than simply selfish, egotistical gain, such as Boris the Blustering Buffoon.
Marco.
My bad. The tablets are wearing off :)
AJSki2fly
11-05-2020, 08:54
I’m declaring independence for Devon and Cornwall and drawing a border running along the Devon border with all other counties. Nobody is allowed in unless they have a Covid test and are clear. We will obviously continue to take funds from central government, a new parliament called the Round Table will be set up in Tintagel. Anyone breaking strict Covid distancing laws I force at any time will be deported to the rest of the UK and will be refused entry back.
Light Dependant Resistor
11-05-2020, 08:59
I’m declaring independence for Devon and Cornwall and drawing a border running along the Devon border with all other counties. Nobody is allowed in unless they have a Covid test and are clear. We will obviously continue to take funds from central government, a new parliament called the Round Table will be set up in Tintagel. Anyone breaking strict Covid distancing laws I force at any time will be deported to the rest of the UK and will be refused entry back.
good luck with that :)
None of the Devolved Country leaders in the Union were even consulted, Sturgeon found out about it through the media.
Now Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has got one of his Goons putting out a message saying It would be helpful if the Country went forward "with one voice" on dealing with the Pandemic.
Fannys!
Someone is lying:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/boris-johnson-tells-nicola-sturgeon-uk-could-exit-lockdown-different-speeds-2846615
The Scotsman "news you can trust since 1817"
i wouldnt believe anything the scotsman prints nowadays... used to be a decent paper once...
The trick is to just believe the news that fits in with your own views.
Pigmy Pony
11-05-2020, 12:30
The trick is to just believe the news that fits in with your own views.
More these days than ever before. But best approach is probably to believe nothing anybody says about anything ever. Then one day you'll get to say 'I knew it was all bullshit'.
the content of the scotsman isnt far off the sun...it used to be the scottish equ of the times:doh:
It seems that she now says wasn't consulted about the new slogan "stay alert".
I assume that means she was consulted about the rest :)
walpurgis
11-05-2020, 13:01
I wouldn't believe most people if they said they were lying!
More these days than ever before. But best approach is probably to believe nothing anybody says about anything ever. Then one day you'll get to say 'I knew it was all bullshit'.
Have you not noticed though that people will seize on something in the news that reinforces their own viewpoint and proceed to use it to give some sort of desperately insightful analysis such as 'It's a disgrace' or 'He's a clown.' And then, sometimes just days later, there is a report from the same outlet that contradicts their views but which is immediately dismissed because 'It's not a truthful source'?
And the real wonder is that they don't even seem to be aware that they're doing it.
AJSki2fly
11-05-2020, 20:27
I thought the “stay alert “ was for breaking wind [emoji846]
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No, it's "stay alert" looking out for me parading around in my 'special outfit' [as shown earlier]:D:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
11-05-2020, 20:48
I thought the “stay alert “ was for breaking wind [emoji846]
Somewhere around here I really do have one of those '70's Badges... Be Alert the country needs lerts. who could have guessed that Billy Boris would make it relevant again. If I can find it it's going on eBay..... :D
Pigmy Pony
12-05-2020, 05:17
I predict tough times ahead for some employees and employers. There will be some bosses, desperate to resume trading in order to save their business, and who despite doing all the right things safety wise, cannot get their workers to come in due to travel and childcare issues.
And I don't know how they will go on regarding the furlough scheme. Perhaps it will be made clear in the govt's newly-published 50 page "Did you seriously think we'd keep paying you?" booklet, though I doubt it
I predict tough times ahead for some employees and employers. There will be some bosses, desperate to resume trading in order to save their business, and who despite doing all the right things safety wise, cannot get their workers to come in due to travel and childcare issues.
And I don't know how they will go on regarding the furlough scheme. Perhaps it will be made clear in the govt's newly-published 50 page "Did you seriously think we'd keep paying you?" booklet, though I doubt it
I think most will go back as lack of cash will bite soon. Think it will be herd immunity through the back door
walpurgis
12-05-2020, 07:13
I predict tough times ahead for some employees and employers. There will be some bosses, desperate to resume trading in order to save their business, and who despite doing all the right things safety wise, cannot get their workers to come in due to travel and childcare issues.
I'm sure some employers will find a way. Maybe they'll use a new slogan, not the baffling "Be Alert", but something with greater clarity like 'Turn Up or Be Fired'! I wonder what Sports Direct will be doing?
And I don't know how they will go on regarding the furlough scheme. Perhaps it will be made clear in the govt's newly-published 50 page "Did you seriously think we'd keep paying you?" booklet, though I doubt it
50 pages? Maybe back in the 1970s. Here are the official guidelines for the modern government pamphlet:
1) no more then 8 pages long
2) use a large, well spaced, easily read font
3) have lots of pictures in the 'cartoon' idiom
4) tell you absolutely nothing that you did not know already or which was not intuitively obvious
5) Be available in 50 different languages (and brail)
AJSki2fly
12-05-2020, 12:52
Try this one
https://youtu.be/sfrThV6DJu4
Never occurred to me before but if he had the hair he would be the spit of him.
Have you not noticed though that people will seize on something in the news that reinforces their own viewpoint and proceed to use it to give some sort of desperately insightful analysis such as 'It's a disgrace' or 'He's a clown.' And then, sometimes just days later, there is a report from the same outlet that contradicts their views but which is immediately dismissed because 'It's not a truthful source'?
And the real wonder is that they don't even seem to be aware that they're doing it.
Example?
Never occurred to me before but if he had the hair he would be the spit of him.
...but considerably more intelligent!;)
Marco.
AJSki2fly
12-05-2020, 21:29
There are liars, dam liars and then there are politicians!
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https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/may/12/housing-market-in-england-to-reopen-for-socially-distanced-property-viewings
So you can only meet friends and family one at a time in the park BUT you can visit a complete strangers house if they're selling it?
Top tip - If you want to visit family or friends get them to put their house up for sale and you're allowed to pop round for a 'viewing'.
And we are now allowed to meet a friend if we are 2 metres apart. Only one friend mind you; anymore and you (which one?) will be fined.
So there we are talking to a friend out in a public space, keeping 2 metres apart, when two other people you know come by, and keeping two metres apart from one another stop to talk. Now there is four of you - which one of the foursome will be fined?
walpurgis
13-05-2020, 16:00
Is it OK to meet somebody you don't like?
hifi_dave
13-05-2020, 16:04
And we are now allowed to meet a friend if we are 2 metres apart. Only one friend mind you; anymore and you (which one?) will be fined.
So there we are talking to a friend out in a public space, keeping 2 metres apart, when two other people you know come by, and keeping two metres apart from one another stop to talk. Now there is four of you - which one of the foursome will be fined?
In this area, I haven't seen a Policeman or even a Police car going by, for months, so it doesn't worry me. What does worry me is that when crime is committed, the nearest Police are over an hour away in Braintree.
And we are now allowed to meet a friend if we are 2 metres apart. Only one friend mind you; anymore and you (which one?) will be fined.
The ugliest one.
Marco.
Is it OK to meet somebody you don't like?
Only if they aren't ugly. I believe they're being very specific about that.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
13-05-2020, 17:31
Only if they aren't ugly. I believe they're being very specific about that.
Marco.
That doesn't seem fair, all of my friends are ugly :(
You *have* friends...??:eek::eek:
Marco.
Is it OK to meet somebody you don't like?
Yes, estate agents
Pigmy Pony
13-05-2020, 17:40
Well I was including you, but only as you satisfy the 'looks' criteria :ner:
anthonyTD
13-05-2020, 17:58
Back on track, just incase folk missed this;
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/flu-wales-australian-flu-hospitals-17532792
Well I was including you, but only as you satisfy the 'looks' criteria :ner:
Heh-heh... I believe it's about obeying the new rule (in line with the current COVID-19 'Stay Alert' policy) of, I quote: "When in public not being in possession of a face liable to cause significant distress to others".
Therefore, STAY ALERT and REPORT all UGLY BASTARDS immediately to the appropriate authorities!
Marco.
walpurgis
13-05-2020, 18:07
Yes, estate agents
Don't recall knowingly having met one. :)
Back on track, just incase folk missed this;
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/flu-wales-australian-flu-hospitals-17532792
Interesting date on that report, Anthony!
By Mark SmithHealth Correspondent
17:38, 8 JAN 2020
Marco.
Don't recall knowingly having met one. :)
Yes you do, Big Brenda, remember? You pumped her in the back of your Vauxhall Viva in 1977.
Marco.
walpurgis
13-05-2020, 18:37
Yes you do, Big Brenda, remember? You pumped her in the back of your Vauxhall Viva in 1977.
Marco.
Your memory is playing tricks Marco. It was Big Beryl and in the back of my Allegro. :D
Pigmy Pony
13-05-2020, 18:38
Yes you do, Big Brenda, remember? You pumped her in the back of your Vauxhall Viva in 1977.
Marco.
And she described your willy as 'bijou' :)
Pigmy Pony
13-05-2020, 18:43
Your memory is playing tricks Marco. It was Big Beryl and in the back of my Allegro. :D
I assume it was a 'Vanden Plas'. She had high standards did Beryl, she wouldn't give blow jobs in any old rust bucket
Your memory is playing tricks Marco. It was Big Beryl and in the back of my Allegro. :D
Ah yes!:doh:
So many women, so little time.....;)
Marco.
And she described your willy as 'bijou' :)
...whereas yours was simply rejected as being 'unfit for purpose':D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
13-05-2020, 18:58
...whereas yours was simply rejected as being 'unfit for purpose':D
Marco.
It's perfectly fit for my purpose, it's just others that feel short changed. But I do have a "suggestion box" on the bedside table, which is emptied daily :)
walpurgis
13-05-2020, 19:56
I predict that in maybe ten days to three weeks the Covid-19 casualties will be on the up again. There were people and traffic everywhere today.
Ultimately both are inevitable. Society needs to make money to survive long term so folk have to go back sometime I guess. Inclined to think England is premature by a week or 2 tho
walpurgis
13-05-2020, 20:15
Well I'm keeping well out of it for the foreseeable future, as I have no need to mingle with others. What a blessing the internet is!
Remember that not all of us are happy being a rampant recluse;)
What we're being forced to endure now is understandable and justifiable, but done under sufferance!
Marco [can't wait to take his wife out again for a nice meal, go to the pub or cinema, a trip to the seaside, meet family and friends, have his hair cut by a hairdresser, or go and watch a football match, etc, etc, etc....].
walpurgis
13-05-2020, 20:28
Remember that not all of us are happy being a rampant recluse;)
Marco [can't wait to take his wife out again for a nice meal, meet family and friends, have his hair cut, or go to a football match, etc, etc, etc....]
Nor am I really, but I'm not taking any risks if I don't have to. There's a hell of a lot of infection around here.
Nor am I really, but I'm not taking any risks if I don't have to.
Sure, but there comes a point when you simply can't allow your LIFE to be ruled by this virus, as being too scared to leave the house, for fear of catching it, is NO way to live.... That would merely be an existence, not a life...
Marco.
AJSki2fly
13-05-2020, 20:40
Here you go
https://www.facebook.com/IRBF.org.uk/videos/280766659590042/
When your option is catch it and u die, then you have to be super careful. May seem a long time but at least we have a lot of stuff.. Food, heat entertainment etc that many elsewhere don't.
Obviously nobody intends to live this way for ever another few months to beat it will be worth it
When your option is catch it and u die, then you have to be super careful. May seem a long time but at least we have a lot of stuff.. Food, heat entertainment etc that many elsewhere don't.
Obviously nobody intends to live this way for ever another few months to beat it will be worth it
Oh I totally agree, mate. Just pointing out that it's much easier living like a recluse if it doesn't differ too wildly from what you're normally used to;)
Marco.
walpurgis
13-05-2020, 21:02
There have been dozens of deaths within half a mile of me. Ongoing diagnosed cases, probably ten times that and maybe as many again asymptomatic. I'm keeping my head down.
Check the interactive map if you doubt me: https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/03/britains-coronavirus-free-zones-where-no-deaths-have-recorded-12647519/
The article may be ten days old, but the map is kept up to date.
Sure, and I might think differently if I were your age and lived in London. However, my point still stands:)
Quite simply, we cannot allow this virus to permanently influence or control our lives, in one way or another...
Marco.
AJSki2fly
13-05-2020, 21:21
There have been dozens of deaths within half a mile of me. Ongoing diagnosed cases, probably ten times that and maybe as many again asymptomatic. I'm keeping my head down.
Check the interactive map if you doubt me: https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/03/britains-coronavirus-free-zones-where-no-deaths-have-recorded-12647519/
The article may be ten days old, but the map is kept up to date.
Problem is that Southall commonly known as “little Punjab” has an ethnic population which I believe is susceptible to Covid19 so may explain why so many deaths. Plus there is a tendency to live in large family groups which will spread it quicker.
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Problem is that Southall commonly known as “little Punjab”...
That state of affairs [how it was allowed to become such] is almost as bad as the issue we're currently discussing!:doh:
And I suspect Geoff feels the same... No ONE race of people should ever be allowed to take over large areas of any city, but that's an old problem.
Marco.
Get all that, and I and anyone else doesn’t want to be restricted either.
Thing is, we’re at War.
Spanish fucking flu...kinda war.
This is our Generation’s time to do the right thing.
Fortunately for us we have a choice.
Unlike our Grandfathers we don’t have to go to a foreign Country, carry a gun and shoot somebody.
We just don’t go out for a while, stay home..appreciate what you have...watch Netflix and drink good coffee.
Fuck’s sake...
Dont get complacent.
Read the Science.
Anyone can be asymptomatic, you feel fine but may be Tyohoid Mary and carry it on to someone else.
it’s a completely new virus.
New reporting says Covid attack’s the blood vessels and causes strokes and thrombosis related death, it’s giving children toxic shock syndrome FFS.
Everyones responsible for themselves obviously..but please, try not to be so absolutely sure (without checking for yourself) when it comes to stuff like this.
Remember that not all of us are happy being a rampant recluse;)
What we're being forced to endure now is understandable and justifiable, but done under sufferance!
Marco [can't wait to take his wife out again for a nice meal, go to the pub or cinema, a trip to the seaside, meet family and friends, have his hair cut by a hairdresser, or go and watch a football match, etc, etc, etc....].
Get all that, and I and anyone else doesn’t want to be restricted either.
Thing is, we’re at War.
Spanish fucking flu...kinda war.
This is our Generation’s time to do the right thing.
Fortunately for us we have a choice.
Unlike our Grandfathers we don’t have to go to a foreign Country, carry a gun and shoot somebody.
We just don’t go out for a while, stay home..appreciate what you have...watch Netflix and drink good coffee.
Fuck’s sake...
Dont get complacent.
Read the Science.
Anyone can be asymptomatic, you feel fine but may be Tyohoid Mary and carry it on to someone else.
it’s a completely new virus.
New reporting says Covid attack’s the blood vessels and causes strokes and thrombosis related death, it’s giving children toxic shock syndrome FFS.
Everyones responsible for themselves obviously..but please, try not to be so absolutely sure (without checking for yourself) when it comes to stuff like this.
Sure I get all that mate, and agree. But the point I made still stands:)
Marco.
InThe Sticks
14-05-2020, 06:21
https://www.facebook.com/IRBF.org.uk/videos/280766659590042/
You'll need to click the link.
Pretty much sums up Trump for me.
Pigmy Pony
14-05-2020, 06:27
Remember that not all of us are happy being a rampant recluse;)
What we're being forced to endure now is understandable and justifiable, but done under sufferance!
Marco [can't wait to take his wife out again for a nice meal, go to the pub or cinema, a trip to the seaside, meet family and friends, have his hair cut by a hairdresser, or go and watch a football match, etc, etc, etc....].
Come on dude, post a pic, we could do with a good laugh :)
Pigmy Pony
14-05-2020, 07:02
That state of affairs [how it was allowed to become such] is almost as bad as the issue we're currently discussing!:doh:
And I suspect Geoff feels the same... No ONE race of people should ever be allowed to take over large areas of any city, but that's an old problem.
Marco.
As you say, it's not a new thing. It's everywhere. Immigrants would tend to stick together when arriving in a foreign country as they would be simple folk, and rather fearful in their new unfamiliar home, facing hostility. Happens in large towns and cities across the world. I know I too would have chosen to settle close to people who understood my language and customs.
I was told by my daughter's fiancé's parents that there is a connection between Italy (well Barga anyway) and Paisley, including Paulo Nutini, and I guess your parents too. Only a "problem" when the numbers become so great that our own cultures are threatened (thinking about sex education in Birmingham).
:thumbsup:
Sure I get all that mate, and agree. But the point I made still stands:)
Marco.
As you say, it's not a new thing. It's everywhere. Immigrants would tend to stick together when arriving in a foreign country as they would be simple folk, and rather fearful in their new unfamiliar home, facing hostility. Happens in large towns and cities across the world. I know I too would have chosen to settle close to people who understood my language and customs.
I was told by my daughter's fiancé's parents that there is a connection between Italy (well Barga anyway) and Paisley, including Paulo Nutini, and I guess your parents too. Only a "problem" when the numbers become so great that our own cultures are threatened (thinking about sex education in Birmingham).
Yup (and I'll get to the Italian thing in a mo), but you're missing the point, and the key words "take over", see below:
No ONE race of people should ever be allowed to take over large areas of any city...
INTEGRATE harmoniously with the existing population, yes, but TAKE OVER it, no. What if Geoff and the other existing British inhabitants of Southall don't want to live in a "little Punjab"? It wasn't like that once. When they moved there, I'm sure that wasn't what they 'signed up' for!
Quite simply, it should *never* get to the stage where immigrants create huge 'ghettos' in cities, and yes, TAKE OVER them, to the *detriment* of the lives of the existing inhabitants/natives of the country in question, often making them too scared to walk their own streets! But unfortunately that's what has happened, and continues to happen in our towns and cities - and it's fundamentally wrong.
I'd welcome any immigrant to the UK who a) is hardworking and able to be an ASSET to the country, b) is willing to learn English, and c) is willing to RESPECT OUR customs and way of life, and INTEGRATE harmoniously with the existing community that they're going to become a part of [as I said, at one time Southall *wasn't* a "mini Punjab"; it's simply been allowed to become such by successive governments too afraid to stop it], rather than running roughshod all over it, simply to turn the area they've chosen to live in into a 'mini' version of the country they've just left...:rolleyes:
Sorry, BULLSHIT to that. It isn't right and needs stopped. And since you mention Scotland, parts of Glasgow are exactly the same as Southall - towns have been turned into ghettos by the Asian (mainly Pakistani) community, where British residents (what's left of them) are treated as outcasts, and too afraid to go out at night or actually LIVE in the area where they were born and bred, and other natives of Scotland, who dare to venture into these towns, now 'ghettos', are treated with similar disdain (or often worse) by the immigrants who've now overrun them!!:doh:
At least Italians (and most other immigrants to the UK) have sought to INTEGRATE harmoniously with the existing population, and respected the prevailing customs and way of life, and didn't attempt to turn large parts of UK cities into a 'mini Italy'. The only way you'd know that you were in part of a town or city with a large Italian population, would be the presence of the cafes, chip shops, delicatessens and restaurants owned and run by them, and where by and large they were loved and considered as invaluable by the existing local community.
I can say the very same, in that respect about the thousands of Polish immigrants who've been coming to Wrexham for decades, and who without doubt are an ASSET to the town and have made it a BETTER place to live - and *that* is how it should always be with an influx of immigrants from ANY country: THEY need to LEARN how to fit in with *US*, so we can all live in harmony together, while respecting each other's customs, not the opposite!
Anyway, yes, there is a BIG connection with Paisley, in Scotland, and Barga (in Tuscany), not only Paisley, but huge chunks of Glasgow, as many of the Italian restaurants there are owned by people who were either born in Barga, or whose families came from Barga - count me in!:) Paulo Nutini is another, and also a distant cousin of mine. His grandparents used to live in the same street in Paisley as Del and I did (when we bought my granddad's old house), and when I was a kid I remember visiting them with my dad, which of course was long before Paulo was born.
However, when Paulo first considered becoming a singer, his granddad was most disappointed that he didn't want to be the next Dean Martin!!:D
Marco.
walpurgis
14-05-2020, 09:45
Dean Martin!!:D
Marco.
Whose real name was Italian.
Indeed - Dino Crocetti:)
Paulo's granddad (Giacomo, known as 'Jackie' Nutini) so wanted him to be a crooner!:eyebrows:
Anyway, do you agree with me on the points I made about immigration, especially in relation to what has become of Southall?
Marco.
walpurgis
14-05-2020, 10:17
Anyway, do you agree with me on the points I made about immigration, especially in relation to what has become of Southall?
Marco.
As some might say "it's not black & white". Many in the region are westernised, but others, who tend to congregate in more densely populated parts, just seem to ignore the fact that they are in a foreign country and carry on as they would have done back where they came from and refuse to concede to any kind of integration. To the extent of refusing to learn English or wearing anything resembling european attire.
And *that* last bit is what should never have been allowed to happen... The question you have to ask yourself is, if you decided to move to Pakistan (or wherever), and refused to observe and respect their culture and customs, moreover ran roughshod over them, and attempted to turn the area you lived in into a 'mini England', what do you think would happen...??:eek:
Hang on a minute... Isn't that what we call 'Benidorm'?:D
More seriously though, so why do we allow it to occur here in the UK, the other way round? Because we're too bloody soft - that's why!:doh:
There's an old saying that goes: 'Do as the locals do' - and that applies as much to the behaviour of immigrants to ANY country, as much as it does to tourists!!
Marco.
anthonyTD
14-05-2020, 10:56
Indeed!
A...
Interesting date on that report, Anthony!
Marco.
So what have folks since been infected with then, and many have died from COVID-19 or "Spanish Flu"? The list of symptoms in the article you linked to are near-identical to those identified with Coronavirus...
How do we differentiate between them?:hmm:
Marco.
Missed this... Lol ok, it's a bit 'Keith Charles-Flint' (see below) at the moment, only with dark brown hair, as I've 'spiked' it up a bit, particularly at the top and sides, as I can't stand the 'bouffant'/wavy look, but for the 'full effect' I'll wait until hairdressers are allowed to trade again, and take a pic then, before and after!:D
It's actually surprised me how much I've still got left, since I've let it grow!!
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/xIiWJq.jpg
Come on dude, post a pic, we could do with a good laugh :)
In the meantime, I'd appreciate your thoughts on post #1866.
Marco.
Tragic though for the BAME workers on the frontline who have lost there live s disproportionately in this pandemic. On the odd trip to the Royal Free I have found there attitude and manner to be truly lovely. :)
Pigmy Pony
14-05-2020, 18:27
Missed this... Lol ok, it's a bit 'Keith Charles-Flint' (see below) at the moment, only with dark brown hair, as I've 'spiked' it up a bit, particularly at the top and sides, as I can't stand the 'bouffant'/wavy look, but for the 'full effect' I'll wait until hairdressers are allowed to trade again, and take a pic then, before and after!:D
It's actually surprised me how much I've still got left, since I've let it grow!!
In the meantime, I'd appreciate your thoughts on post #1866.
Marco.
Yeah well, you did that look to death in the eighties, so it was time for a change :D
Re. your earlier comments: No, I didn't miss the point, rather you missed my point in paragraph two, pretty much what you was saying, but in a much much more concise way! Apart from that you may be surprised to know that I agree with everything you're saying there. There really isn't anything I can add to that, being as how you've exhausted the world's supply of words :ner:
Just enough words left to say this:
Over the years I've done work for people of all nationalities, and it would be fair to say that all have their own characteristics, some good, some less so. However I will go out on a limb and say that imv the Hindu and Sikh communities are almost always peaceful and law abiding, same with other nationalities, certainly more so than white British. But I feel that much of the problems come from Pakistani Muslims, and their refusal to integrate, but especially the young males who have a real attitude on them. This just comes from my observations, others may have a different view.
I was hesitant about posting this for about a minute, then I thought "do I really give a shit, I'm entitled to tell it as I see it" :)
Yeah well, you did that look to death in the eighties, so it was time for a change :D
Aye, especially on ma boz!:eyebrows:
Re. your earlier comments: No, I didn't miss the point, rather you missed my point in paragraph two, pretty much what you was saying, but in a much much more concise way! Apart from that you may be surprised to know that I agree with everything you're saying there. There really isn't anything I can add to that, being as how you've exhausted the world's supply of words :ner:
Fair enough, I simply wanted to differentiate between this (what you wrote earlier, and is perfectly fine):
As you say, it's not a new thing. It's everywhere. Immigrants would tend to stick together when arriving in a foreign country as they would be simple folk, and rather fearful in their new unfamiliar home, facing hostility. Happens in large towns and cities across the world. I know I too would have chosen to settle close to people who understood my language and customs.
...and TAKING OVER towns and large areas of our cities, forcing their culture and way of life upon non-desiring native residents of those areas, and which *isn't* right - and indeed very wrong!
Just enough words left to say this:
Over the years I've done work for people of all nationalities, and it would be fair to say that all have their own characteristics, some good, some less so. However I will go out on a limb and say that imv the Hindu and Sikh communities are almost always peaceful and law abiding, same with other nationalities, certainly more so than white British. But I feel that much of the problems come from Pakistani Muslims, and their refusal to integrate, but especially the young males who have a real attitude on them. This just comes from my observations, others may have a different view.
I was hesitant about posting this for about a minute, then I thought "do I really give a shit, I'm entitled to tell it as I see it" :)
Nope, you were quite right to say what you think. I agree, as it happens to be true, and it certainly represents the results of my own experience. Unfortunately too many people in this country, including successive governments, are (or have been) too scared to tackle the problem, for fear of being deemed as 'racist', when in reality it is nothing of the sort!
Quite simply, all non-compliant immigrants, Pakistani Muslims or otherwise, when entering this country, should be FORCED to integrate. And if they refuse to comply, then they should be immediately sent back to their own country - and a hard line needs to be taken on this. If that had happened way back in the first place, instead of the politically correct 'liberal do-gooders', too scared of offending anyone, getting their way and allowing such behaviour, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in now.
Marco.
My hometown suffers from young muslim/pakiastanis causing havoc. The police are not interested as they just claim they dont speak english so the police have to get translators in at huge cost. So the young thugs can do as they please, involved with one in a traffic collision the whole family is immediately there intimidating witnesses. Hiring and racing their nice cars for a blast through middle of town. And folk wonder why us normal folk who see what they upto constantly without repercussions hate them.
Pigmy Pony
15-05-2020, 06:15
Quite simply, all non-compliant immigrants, Pakistani Muslims or otherwise, when entering this country, should be FORCED to integrate. And if they refuse to comply, then they should be immediately sent back to their own country - and a hard line needs to be taken on this. If that had happened way back in the first place, instead of the politically correct 'liberal do-gooders', too scared of offending anyone, getting their way and allowing such behaviour, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in now.
Marco.
But you can't send anyone "back to their own country" when that country is Britain, and most will now be 2nd or 3rd generation British, making them as British as you and me! (on paper at least). But policy-makers and police need to be able to take a more even handed and considered approach, without fear of being branded racist by those who simply use the term to slap down anyone who dares to put their head above the parapet and say "Hey this isn't right".
Pete, we have much the same problem in Preston, with young lads tearing around in cars of the sort I could never afford, driving like they're not afraid of losing their licence.
Yeah of course, what I meant was in reference to new immigrants coming into the UK for the first time, from *wherever*. There should be a clear message put to them of 'Fit in or Fuck Off'... Well, perhaps I'd put it a little more diplomatically...;)
Seriously though, it's whoever allowed the type of behaviour we're seeing now to exist in the first place, way back when, who's to blame. instead of punitive action being administered by the authorities for non-compliance. And if that precedent had been set THEN, and a strict monitoring of behaviour and enforcing of the rules [essentially learn English, be an asset to the country, fit in with society] had been the case from the off, since day one of the first immigrants refusing to integrate, then we wouldn't be in this situation NOW - simples!
Unfortunately however, the bed has long since been made, and now there is little real option but to lie in it... As I said, in the UK we're too bloody soft/easy-osy, and we certainly wouldn't get away with doing similar in their country. TBH, we should take a leaf out of New Zealand's book, when it comes to immigration. Those dudes have got it pretty much right.
Me? I'm all for living together, peacefully with people from all different nations. I love mingling in diverse multicultural communities and learning about the lifestyles and customs, different foods, etc, of people from other countries, but it has to exist within a framework of mutual respect and tolerance, and crucially that anyone coming into our country fundamentally understands that it is THEY who are the strangers entering a new land, and so it's incumbent on THEM to respect and comply with OUR culture and customs, and FIT IN (and us to welcome them when they do) - not the other way round!
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
15-05-2020, 18:24
Agree 100% As I've said before, my work has me dealing with all nationalities, and always get on with them. Even get free lunches of whatever they're cooking, which while often unfamiliar to me is always very nice. Thing is to take people as you find them.
Unfortunately I don't know what can be done to stop whole areas of our towns and cities becoming ghettos. A friend's parents, who are both in their eighties, live in a large semi walking distance from Preston North End's football ground (my mate and his dad go to all the home games). But he frequently gets people knocking on his door and offering to buy his house. He has no intention of selling, but they won't take no for an answer. Several neighbours have already sold to up and moved away, so bit by bit it will become a new 'ghetto' :(
Agree 100% As I've said before, my work has me dealing with all nationalities, and always get on with them. Even get free lunches of whatever they're cooking, which while often unfamiliar to me is always very nice. Thing is to take people as you find them.
Unfortunately I don't know what can be done to stop whole areas of our towns and cities becoming ghettos. A friend's parents, who are both in their eighties, live in a large semi walking distance from Preston North End's football ground (my mate and his dad go to all the home games). But he frequently gets people knocking on his door and offering to buy his house. He has no intention of selling, but they won't take no for an answer. Several neighbours have already sold to up and moved away, so bit by bit it will become a new 'ghetto' :(
Yup, and thats one of the reasons Labour are good at losing elections these days. There seen to be the party thats willingly expanded immigration over the years. Remember Gordon s confrontation with Mrs Duffy
in 2010 Election " Too many Easter Europeans over here " lol. It was said Blair/ Mandy open the floodgates to rub the rights nose in it. Rightly or wrongly ?, but its backfired big style.
Emmett123
15-05-2020, 19:58
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/health/coronavirus-estrogen-men.html?fbclid=IwAR3aojtHtBZ-4JiVmIUm9nu49DXXmnVcyZS6Il69Yisq7PVScR1hSYhxoOA
https://www.livescience.com/covid19-trial-tests-sex-hormone-treatment.html?fbclid=IwAR0NYUR_4lzPMNm1rqXniBdDFW EgMfnmdtjKwGm27UqYMPMNFVWumZPv0OE
but then...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8312771/amp/Male-coronavirus-patients-low-testosterone-levels-likely-die-COVID-19.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1Zirmn1yDOPMdIut1KAxXze79HbaYBsULLwAViv 7Ax81t2Fy_hk8nr4FA
but then...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8312771/amp/Male-coronavirus-patients-low-testosterone-levels-likely-die-COVID-19.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1Zirmn1yDOPMdIut1KAxXze79HbaYBsULLwAViv 7Ax81t2Fy_hk8nr4FA
That's why it pays to be a Sex God;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
15-05-2020, 20:42
That's why it pays to be a Sex God;)
Marco.
But paying to be with a Sex God doesn't count. Anyway I told you I'm not interested.
The report also mentions that Covid is more prevalent among the poor - I wonder if I can get some money on prescription?
Agree 100% As I've said before, my work has me dealing with all nationalities, and always get on with them. Even get free lunches of whatever they're cooking, which while often unfamiliar to me is always very nice. Thing is to take people as you find them.
Nice one. I've had the same with some of mine. One of my best customers up in Glasgow, who was Indian, used to make me some amazing Pakora! We used to swap recipes, as she loved Italian food, and I loved (proper authentic) curries!!:eyebrows:
That's what it's all about: living in harmony and helping each other, no matter race, creed, colour or whatever else...
Unfortunately I don't know what can be done to stop whole areas of our towns and cities becoming ghettos. A friend's parents, who are both in their eighties, live in a large semi walking distance from Preston North End's football ground (my mate and his dad go to all the home games). But he frequently gets people knocking on his door and offering to buy his house. He has no intention of selling, but they won't take no for an answer. Several neighbours have already sold to up and moved away, so bit by bit it will become a new 'ghetto' :(
Not sure I follow your logic... Why would some folk offering to buy a house end up turning an area into a ghetto?:scratch:
Unless everyone knocking on the door was a scumbag....
Marco.
The report also mentions that Covid is more prevalent among the poor...
Awesome. That's me got guaranteed immunity!:lol::eyebrows:
;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
15-05-2020, 21:08
Not sure I follow your logic... Why would some folk offering to buy some houses end up turning the area into a ghetto?:scratch:
Unless everyone knocking on the door was a scumbag....
Marco.
Fulwood is one of the better areas of Preston, but one part of it (about half a square mile) has attracted ever more Muslim families, who seem intent on making that area their own. I would have no problem with having Asian neighbours - as you say, diversity is a good thing, but I don't want to be the only white family in the whole street either, this is how our national identity gets lost. Are we even allowed to say national identity without being branded 'racist'?
Badgering long-term residents, many of whom have lived there most of their lives, until they give up and move out, is the exact opposite of integration imo. Perhaps 'ghetto' is the wrong word, I'm meaning an area that is exclusively one particular race.
Ah, now you've provided some background info [fundamentally necessary to know whit ye were oan aboot], alles klar!:eyebrows:
And yes, I agree.
Marco.
Mikeandvan
15-05-2020, 21:16
Aye, especially on ma boz!:eyebrows:
Fair enough, I simply wanted to differentiate between this (what you wrote earlier, and is perfectly fine):
...and TAKING OVER towns and large areas of our cities, forcing their culture and way of life upon non-desiring native residents of those areas, and which *isn't* right - and indeed very wrong!
Nope, you were quite right to say what you think. I agree, as it happens to be true, and it certainly represents the results of my own experience. Unfortunately too many people in this country, including successive governments, are (or have been) too scared to tackle the problem, for fear of being deemed as 'racist', when in reality it is nothing of the sort!
Quite simply, all non-compliant immigrants, Pakistani Muslims or otherwise, when entering this country, should be FORCED to integrate. And if they refuse to comply, then they should be immediately sent back to their own country - and a hard line needs to be taken on this. If that had happened way back in the first place, instead of the politically correct 'liberal do-gooders', too scared of offending anyone, getting their way and allowing such behaviour, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in now.
Marco.
You mean we should force their menfolk to down pints in the pub, and their women to drop the burqa, and get with the tight leggings? Yeh! Like a reversal of the Islamic police they have in Saudi? 'Excuse madam, your leggings aren't tight enough'.
Mikeandvan
15-05-2020, 21:19
Down here in Brighton, we're also a ghetto, 'kin middle class 'ippies and their little pet drug addicts, they should carry them around on leashes, sit, beg and you'll get your crack. 'Kin everywhere, can't move for beggars and their middle class allies.
Mikeandvan
15-05-2020, 21:23
Fulwood is one of the better areas of Preston, but one part of it (about half a square mile) has attracted ever more Muslim families, who seem intent on making that area their own. I would have no problem with having Asian neighbours - as you say, diversity is a good thing, but I don't want to be the only white family in the whole street either, this is how our national identity gets lost. Are we even allowed to say national identity without being branded 'racist'?
Badgering long-term residents, many of whom have lived there most of their lives, until they give up and move out, is the exact opposite of integration imo. Perhaps 'ghetto' is the wrong word, I'm meaning an area that is exclusively one particular race.
Do they actually do that? Knock on someone's door (without a for sale sign I'm guessing) and ask them do they want to sell their house? That's harassment.
You mean we should force their menfolk to down pints in the pub, and their women to drop the burqa, and get with the tight leggings? Yeh! Like a reversal of the Islamic police they have in Saudi? 'Excuse madam, your leggings aren't tight enough'.
:lolsign:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
16-05-2020, 05:48
Do they actually do that? Knock on someone's door (without a for sale sign I'm guessing) and ask them do they want to sell their house? That's harassment.
I'm just going on what my friend's dad told me. He said some of the other residents have had similar offers, and I have no reason to disbelieve him. We're talking about couples around retirement age, in large 3/4/5 bedroom family homes, who may at some point think about 'downsizing'. So it's a case of get in there with an offer before anyone else does. My point isn't about the harassment, but about the 'colonisation' of parts of our towns and cities.
Mikeandvan
16-05-2020, 05:53
I'm just going on what my friend's dad told me. He said some of the other residents have had similar offers, and I have no reason to disbelieve him. We're talking about couples around retirement age, in large 3/4/5 bedroom family homes, who may at some point think about 'downsizing'. So it's a case of get in there with an offer before anyone else does. My point isn't about the harassment, but about the 'colonisation' of parts of our towns and cities.
Yeh exactly, whites are now in a minority in London! Read Douglas Murray 'The strange Death of Europe', a mention of that book on PFM will get you banned!
Pigmy Pony
16-05-2020, 06:03
Yeh exactly, whites are now in a minority in London! Read Douglas Murray 'The strange Death of Europe', a mention of that book on PFM will get you banned!
I'm intrigued, does it say bad things about Naim gear? Or is it something more sinister?
Yeh exactly, whites are now in a minority in London! Read Douglas Murray 'The strange Death of Europe', a mention of that book on PFM will get you banned!
Mention Tory on here could get you cold shouldered :lol:
Mention Tory on here could get you cold shouldered [emoji38]Right that's u on the blacklist [emoji23]
Yeh exactly, whites are now in a minority in London! Read Douglas Murray 'The strange Death of Europe', a mention of that book on PFM will get you banned!
It fascinates me that people who consider themselves to be warriors against fascism are quite happy to use ridicule and censorship to stifle opposing viewpoints, despite these methods being in themselves essential components of fascism.
Yeh exactly, whites are now in a minority in London! Read Douglas Murray 'The strange Death of Europe', a mention of that book on PFM will get you banned!
only 45% of londons pop now i believe
walpurgis
16-05-2020, 08:07
Statistics about the demography of crime in London are published by the government and unsurprisingly, they are so stereotypical as to be almost ridiculous. Needless to say, nobody seems to say much about this.
statistics about the demography of crime in london are published by the government and unsurprisingly, they are so stereotypical as to be almost ridiculous. Needless to say, nobody seems to say much about this.
they have been done for scotland too by scottish office.. Unpublished of course
Pigmy Pony
16-05-2020, 12:36
they have been done for scotland too by scottish office.. Unpublished of course
Presumably to protect the guilty? Like when the faces get blurred out on these cop shows. Too much of this going on - name and shame, that's what I say
I know it's controversial, but as someone who is staunchly anti-establishment and who deeply values his freedom, almost above all else, (and whilst fully acknowledging the threat of this virus), I have some sympathy with the following, as I worry about where things *could* potentially be going, if not kept in check: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/05/16/jeremy-corbyna-s-brother-among-arrests-at-anti-lockdown-protest/?ncid=webmail
Therefore I feel it deserves flagging up here.
Marco.
Ive a mate who has a brother in the scottish office.. He says the cops have been overstepping their authority and have been warned to step back...
Yes, there are many good, dedicated members of our police force, keen to make a difference in the RIGHT way, for the greater good of society, but there are also a number of only-too-willing-to-become 'mini-Hitlers', who thrive on abusing their authority, and indeed take great delight in imposing their control upon people, and thus are using the opportunity that this pandemic has created to demonstrate their dictator-like tendencies!:doh:
This is where it's important that we, the people of the UK, don't allow this virus to become the very excuse that the authorities need to impose restrictions upon our longterm freedom, and which impinge on our basic HUMAN RIGHTS. Therefore, whilst I fully appreciate the need for monitoring and minimising the effect of this virus on our population, it MUST NOT be at the expense of *longterm* huge cost to our freedom!!
I, for one, will not allow myself to effectively be under house arrest forever, or live in a heavily-surveilled police state, controlled by the establishment, and would fight against that and protect my freedom and basic human rights, to the death!!:trust::trust:
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
16-05-2020, 16:25
Pisses me off.. Boris and minions should be up on murder charges.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/flying-into-the-height-of-madness-no-checks-on-illegal-ba-holidaymakers-leaving-and-none-coming-back-as-thousands-arrive-every-day-no-wonder-were-the-sick-man-of-europe/ar-BB149jpf?ocid=spartanntp
Try an unbroken link instead: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/flying-into-the-height-of-madness-no-checks-on-illegal-ba-holidaymakers-leaving-and-none-coming-back-as-thousands-arrive-every-day-no-wonder-were-the-sick-man-of-europe/ar-BB149jpf?ocid=spartanntp
;)
And yes, I agree with your sentiments!
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
16-05-2020, 16:32
Try an unbroken link instead: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/flying-into-the-height-of-madness-no-checks-on-illegal-ba-holidaymakers-leaving-and-none-coming-back-as-thousands-arrive-every-day-no-wonder-were-the-sick-man-of-europe/ar-BB149jpf?ocid=spartanntp
;)
And yes, I agree with your sentiments!
Marco.
really must get round to learning to do that... :D
Lol, it's a piece of piss, mate:)
But yes, whatever anyone may have thought of Corbyn, he was clearly at heart a humanitarian and pacifist, important traits for any decent/well-adjusted human being to have, and which are clearly shared by his brother, who was part of the protest I linked to earlier.
Therefore, one wonders if Labour had won the election, and Corbyn had been PM, instead of dithering Boris, if he'd have allowed so many of our people to die unnecessarily from this virus, simply as a result of outrageous ineptitude and incompetence.
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
16-05-2020, 17:01
Lol, it's a piece of piss, mate:)
But yes, whatever anyone may have thought of Corbyn, he was always at heart a humanitarian and pacifist, important values for any decent person to hold, and which are clearly shared by his brother, who was part of the protest I linked to in the article earlier.
Therefore, one wonders if Labour had won the election, and Corbyn had been PM, instead of dithering Boris, if he'd have allowed so many of our people to die unnecessarily from this virus, simply as a result of outrageous ineptitude and incompetence.
Marco.
Dunno I've always leaned to the left, but only joined the Labour party to try and vote him out, quietly impressed by Kier so far as he takes Billy Bluster apart every Wednesday. Impossible to think how it might have turned if Jezzer was in charge but it doesn't really matter cos he wasn't.
The UK's response to Covid is directly at the feet of the conservative party both in the response and the preconditions due to austerity. absolutely criminal and even now it's so obvious how "scientific" advice is being presented to cover up party dogma and failings to the electorate at large.
It comes to something when that neo fascist rag called the Daily Mail starts running articles that slag the government.
and if anybody on the forum is a die hard true blue. Tough tit. you really have condemned the country to what you voted for.
Dunno I've always leaned to the left, but only joined the Labour party to try and vote him out, quietly impressed by Kier so far as he takes Billy Bluster apart every Wednesday. Impossible to think how it might have turned if Jezzer was in charge but it doesn't really matter cos he wasn't.
The UK's response to Covid is directly at the feet of the conservative party both in the response and the preconditions due to austerity. absolutely criminal and even now it's so obvious how "scientific" advice is being presented to cover up party dogma and failings to the electorate at large.
It comes to something when that neo fascist rag called the Daily Mail starts running articles that slag the government.
and if anybody on the forum is a die hard true blue. Tough tit. you really have condemned the country to what you voted for.
Yeah I agree with all of the above, particularly the highlighted bits. I have no strong allegiances towards any political party (save the SNP, and if I lived in Scotland that's who I'd vote for), as the 'party line'/agenda is almost always entirely self-serving, but I can recognise what I consider are good politicians from any party, and Mr Starmer is one of them:)
I just hope that democracy still exists in our country next time it comes to a general election......and therefore we get the chance to oust this dithering and incompetent shower of shite from Westminster, who will hopefully pay the price for effectively their crimes against humanity during this pandemic!
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
16-05-2020, 17:29
I just hope that democracy still exists in our country next time it comes to a general election......and we get the chance to oust this shower of shite from Westminster, who will hopefully pay the price for effectively their crimes against humanity during this pandemic!
Marco.
Amen to that and I'm an Atheist..
Mikeandvan
16-05-2020, 20:45
It fascinates me that people who consider themselves to be warriors against fascism are quite happy to use ridicule and censorship to stifle opposing viewpoints, despite these methods being in themselves essential components of fascism.
Well, I,d say censorship is the tool of anyone from social democratic nanny state s to totalitarian states, be they fascist or communist. I say we're adults, treat us as thus.
...........
The UK's response to Covid is directly at the feet of the conservative party both in the response and the preconditions due to austerity. absolutely criminal and even now it's so obvious how "scientific" advice is being presented to cover up party dogma and failings to the electorate at large.
........
and if anybody on the forum is a die hard true blue. Tough tit. you really have condemned the country to what you voted for.
Oh come on, let's not forget Nicola:
HEADLINE: Coronavirus: Earlier Scottish lockdown 'could have prevented 2,000 deaths'"
The Scottish government said its actions had been guided by the best and most up-to-date scientific advice." :doh:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52617895
or will this be another case of not being able to trust the news source?
Well, I,d say censorship is the tool of anyone from social democratic nanny state s to totalitarian states, be they fascist or communist. I say we're adults, treat us as thus.
They don't want adults though. Ideologies of any type appeal only to the weak minded, the naïve, and those who are ruled by their 'emotions'. That is why they are always accompanied by plenty of hatred. It is a badge of honour amongst them as to who can hate the most. Ironically it is the continual expression of hatred that turns normal people away from the ideology and those espousing it. This is why ideologies rarely, if ever, gain enough traction to take control. Much to the upset and confusion of their adherents.
dave2010
17-05-2020, 07:42
Well, I,d say censorship is the tool of anyone from social democratic nanny state s to totalitarian states, be they fascist or communist. I say we're adults, treat us as thus.A big problem is that getting good high quality information is very difficult. In the USA we hear that some doctors are being abused because they're involved with Covid-19, and some crazy people are denying that the disease exists at all, or in some areas disputing the evidence that it exists within their areas. As for the attacks on phone masts - obviously the little green men are coming ..... and should perhaps be followed by the men in white coats.
Even if we do get very good data and information, many people don't understand, or misinterpret what they hear or read.
People don't always understand obvious things, and Covid-19 presents many aspects which are not at all obvious. Only yesterday I heard someone on the radio saying that the incidence of CV-19 as very low (I think it was mentioned as 0.28%) so we could/should all go out and play and disregard it. The incidence of CV-19 in some areas is low, but let's not forget that initially it was presumably zero, so just one person (or possibly several coming in to the UK at the same time) would have initiated a big problem. The virus has not, as far as I know, changed much in its nature - it can still be deadly for some people.
We are always receiving "information" which has been heavily filtered, and in some cases massaged to present a particular point of view.
hifi_dave
17-05-2020, 09:12
It might well be 0.28% but if you or a loved one is in that 0.28% it ain't funny.
Meantime, I read in the paper yesterday, that an average of 170 planes arrive at heathrow every day and not one of those people are tested or even questioned. That's just Heathrow, so I suppose that other airports are also allowing flights. Even if we had no cases at all in the UK, surely this is a good way of getting the Pandemic going again ?
walpurgis
17-05-2020, 10:13
Michael Gove talking about the lockdown said "There is always a risk in relaxing these restrictions".
How would he know there's 'always a risk'? The rules have never been relaxed before!
He won't have any idea what the risk is, nor will anyone else.
Ideologies of any type appeal only to the weak minded, the naïve, and those who are ruled by their 'emotions'.
Are you afraid of showing yours?
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your statement, but why put the word "emotions" inside inverted commas, as if to indicate in some way that they're false, or a sign of weakness? After all, it's what defines us from robots...
Emotions/gut instincts are fundamental to human beings functioning in line with how they were created. Therefore, to shun or dismiss them, is to fail to be human. Of course, one shouldn't be 'ruled' by one's emotions, but then neither should one be 'ruled' by logic, as often our emotional/gut instinct reactions to something/certain situations are more accurate than those governed solely by logic.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
17-05-2020, 11:44
Michael Gove talking about the lockdown said "There is always a risk in relaxing these restrictions".
How would he know there's 'always a risk'? The rules have never been relaxed before!
He won't have any idea what the risk is, nor will anyone else.
Gove's statement clearly hasn't been thought through properly and should have been proof-read, but we do get what he's saying. Relaxing of restrictions will put more people in contact with each other, and even with precautions will still put us at increased risk. Just how much so we'll have to wait and see.
Everything we do is based on risk/reward, whether we are aware of it or not - for example going out for a nice meal involves the risk of death/injury on the roads, foreign holidays may come with the risk of an air crash. At some point we have to decide whether the risk of infection justifies putting our normal lives on hold. And at the moment that risk is too great imo.
Everything we do is based on risk/reward, whether we are aware of it or not - for example going out for a nice meal involves the risk of death/injury on the roads, foreign holidays may come with the risk of an air crash. At some point we have to decide whether the risk of infection justifies putting our normal lives on hold.
Post of the year!:clap:
Precisely... We should all read and digest the above, but with some caveats... "Putting our normal lives on hold" could be interpreted instead as: 'allowing the authorities to continually keep us under house arrest'. We need to ensure that WE get a say in the matter!
As I said earlier, *we need to keep the authorities in check* by not allowing ourselves to be unjustly ruled or bullied into submission, in terms of eventually how lockdown will be ended [that's ENDED not eased], and we get to live within the boundaries of the proposed 'new normal' [and btw, watch very carefully the future role in that of potentially mandatory vaccines, which haven't been properly tested as safe, and the penalties for non-complliance], and which would unquestionably result in the erosion of our civil liberties.
Would that really be a price worth paying, simply for being a 'sheep'??
Virus risk assessment will largely be based upon age and levels of health. Personally, I'm at the point now where, whilst still being sensible and aware of the risks, I can't wait to get back to some form of *genuine* normality!
However, this is the crucial bit, and so I'd ask everyone here to LISTEN UP, and to LISTEN very, VERY carefully........
When this pandemic is 'over', or as 'over' as it will ever be, do we want to retain the same levels of freedom that we enjoyed pre-Covid-19, or will we allow ourselves to be continually surveilled and our lives unjustly and immorally controlled by the authorities, subsequently with our liberties curtailed to the extent that the UK becomes more like a police state than we have ever known it, simply to be able to 'track and trace' this virus - or make some futile attempt at creating a 'cure'...?
That, my friends, is the decision that WE, the people of the UK, must make; DO NOT let it simply be FORCED upon us......!!
I'm not saying that we're about to enter the creation of a totalitarian state , but we have to fight together for our FREEDOM, march, protest, ensure than dissenting voices are heard in Westminster, challenging this 'new normal', and that have the necessary impact on keeping in check the controlling agendas of the establishment - do WHATEVER is necessary - to PROTECT the freedom and HUMAN RIGHTS we once enjoyed, indeed took for granted, as proud citizens of a FREE COUNTRY, and which was once 'our normal': a 'normal' that our great grandparents and ancestors fought so hard for us to have during two world wars!
Do we want to effectively end up living in a world that resembles what would've very likely become reality under rule by Hitler??
So..... I'd ask you all to watch very carefully what happens in the coming weeks, and in particular what we will be 'asked' to do by the government [read as 'asked' only in the sense that it won't become mandatory, as long as enough people do what they're told, sorry 'asked'], in terms of alleviating the lockdown - and here I'm referring to the government's Coronavirus 'traffic-light system', and what will be required for us to reach 'Level 1'.
And in that respect, *think very carefully*, perhaps more than about anything you've ever done in your life so far [yes this will be *THAT* important] about what you 'volunteer' to do, under the premise of being a 'responsible citizen' - as trust me, there will be NO going back!!
:trust:
Marco.
AJSki2fly
17-05-2020, 13:00
Post of the year!:clap:
However, this is the crucial bit, and I'd ask everyone here to LISTEN UP, and listen up very carefully........
When this pandemic is 'over', or as 'over' as it will ever be, do we want to retain the same standards of freedom, as we enjoyed pre-Covid-19, or will we allow ourselves to continually be surveilled and our lives unjustly and immorally controlled by the authorities, and our liberties curtailed, to the extent that the UK becomes more like a police state than we've ever known it, simply to be able to 'track and trace' this virus - or make some futile attempt at creating a 'cure'?
That, my friends, is the decision that WE, the people of the UK, have to make; DO NOT let it simply be imposed upon us......
I'm not saying that we're about to enter some form of totalitarian state , but we have to fight together, march, protest, ensure than dissenting voices in Westminster, challenging this 'new normal' are heard and have the necessary impact on keeping the controlling excesses of the establishment in check - do WHATEVER is necessary - to PROTECT the freedom and HUMAN RIGHTS we used to all enjoy as citizens of the United Kingdom, and was 'our normal', and which our great grandparents and ancestors fought so hard for us to have during two world wars!
So..... I'd ask you all to watch very carefully what happens in the coming weeks, and in particular what we will be 'asked' to do [read as 'asked' only in the sense that it won't become mandatory as long as enough people do what they're told], in terms of alleviating the lockdown - and here I'm referring to the government's Coronavirus 'traffic-light system', and what will be required to reach 'Level 1'.
And in that respect, *think very carefully*, perhaps about more than anything you've ever done in your life so far [yes this is THAT important] about what you 'volunteer' to do - as trust me, there will be NO going back!!
:trust:
Marco.
Well I tend to agree that we need to be very careful what we sign up to in terms of monitoring, in the first instance the reasons will very likely be with good intentions to establish what is happening with Covid infection and re-infection, but once established it can be corrupted and used for other purposes, I will leave others to summise what they may be.
With respect to “volunteering” this is very abject, IMO there is usually some form of coercion, guilt trip, no brainier argument or peer pressure involved. And worst of all is when opposition is ridiculed, singled out or demonised as not belonging or believing in doing something for the good of all. Unfortunately I suspect it will go this way over the coming months.
Pigmy Pony
17-05-2020, 13:18
I assume you are referring to the 'Track and Trace' app, which I have no plans to use, not without reliable information about its value versus its potential to 'control' us. Mrs. P has concerns, but more to do with cyber security than the possibility that the state may be monitoring us. I certainly won't just accept that it's safe just because the government says it is.
You should be fine with your Nokia 3210 though :)
ive heard some murmerings re making it mandatory.. if they try that they will get a black eye.....or is it a coloured one?
I just had my first trip out in car since this kicked off.. went to tesco but didnt get out... was a small queue, but drizzly too. courage failed me, and i will do without. was a brave new world; main rd was pretty deserted; town was a little busier but no much. all shops in centre look closed etc.. depressing is the word for it
Pigmy Pony
17-05-2020, 13:25
I think I'll download the app, then Sellotape the sim card to the cat's collar before she goes out. I've no idea where she gets to, but if I get a knock on the door from Mr Plod, acting on reports that I've been a "Peeping Tom", or that I've been burgling houses via the cat flap, I'll know the app is being abused.
Pigmy Pony
17-05-2020, 13:27
ive heard some murmerings re making it mandatory.. if they try that they will get a black eye.....or is it a coloured one?
I just had my first trip out in car since this kicked off.. went to tesco but didnt get out... was a small queue, but drizzly too. courage failed me, and i will do without. was a brave new world; main rd was pretty deserted; town was a little busier but no much. all shops in centre look closed etc.. depressing is the word for it
You can't say coloured, it's an 'eye of colour', or an African American eye.
Well I tend to agree that we need to be very careful what we sign up to in terms of monitoring, in the first instance the reasons will very likely be with good intentions to establish what is happening with Covid infection and re-infection, but once established it can be corrupted and used for other purposes, I will leave others to summise what they may be.
Exactly!
With respect to “volunteering” this is very abject, IMO there is usually some form of coercion, guilt trip, no brainier argument or peer pressure involved. And worst of all is when opposition is ridiculed, singled out or demonised as not belonging or believing in doing something for the good of all. Unfortunately I suspect it will go this way over the coming months.
I completely agree; indeed we're already seeing it, with people being arrested for protesting against the lockdown [and as you say being demonised for it by the sheep/uninitiated who fail to see the bigger picture] - and trust me that will get worse in the weeks and months ahead, as folks become gradually more frustrated and fearful, not necessarily of the virus, but of the effects of the lockdown to both their mental health and financial security!
The FACT is, people will only put up for so long with having their freedom and civil liberties curtailed, and crucially their ability to look after themselves and support their families, by earning a living - and of course the government KNOW that. However, what remains to be seen is what they intend on doing about it....
Marco.
You can't say coloured, it's an 'eye of colour', or an African American eye.
a lot of bullshit is what it is mate:doh:
ive heard some murmerings re making it mandatory..
How will they do that if you don't own a smartphone?;)
Are they going to spend further multiple millions of pounds on equipping the hundreds of thousands of people in the UK, who currently don't have a smartphone, with one? I think not. As you say, the 'peoples revolution' [and trust me, I'd be at the helm] would occur long before then!
Marco.
Think I read something re wristbands [emoji23]
I think I'll download the app, then Sellotape the sim card to the cat's collar before she goes out. I've no idea where she gets to, but if I get a knock on the door from Mr Plod, acting on reports that I've been a "Peeping Tom", or that I've been burgling houses via the cat flap, I'll know the app is being abused.
:lolsign:
Love it!! Mine will be getting strapped to a choice turd, so they can 'monitor' it, as it [slowly] makes its way down the sewerage system. A rather apt response I think to such a proposal.
Marco.
After those will be neckband that explode if you move out of an area or tamper with it. [emoji23]
Think I read something re wristbands [emoji23]
So you mean like a posh kind of 'tag'? Aye, watch me!:lol:
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
17-05-2020, 14:14
Myself and indeed any of my immediate family will not be downloading any app where this load of shite ''government'' have any concern in. Nor any other future government either for that matter. As far as I'm concerned there isn't one of them who is trustworthy no matter which colour banner they trot out their crap talk.
I believe the Scottish one will be different(maybe) i heard it is not saving data to the govt servers, but between phones.. It c ertainly sounds much better, but I will want to see the guts of it
Indeed, John. I'm reminded of the lyrics from this punk song, by Crass: https://genius.com/Crass-general-bacardi-lyrics
"Alternative values were a fucking con
They never really meant it when they said "Get it on"
They really meant, "Mine, that's mine", can't you see?
They stamped on our heads so that they could be free
They formed little groups, like rich man's ghettoes
Tending their goats and organic tomatoes
While the world was being fucked by fascist regimes
They talked of windmills and psychedelic dreams".
Rather poignant, is it not, considering the situation we are potentially facing, with many seemingly ignorant to a very real possibility of being controlled by the global elite? Also, remember Citizen Smith and 'Wolfie's Freedom Fighters':
https://youtu.be/FgVQtGw80LY
"POWER to the PEOPLE", indeed!! But in the RIGHT way, which Marxism isn't.
I say: when the system is patently so corrupt, then fight the system!! And if necessary, I will be 'Wolfie';)
Marco.
I believe the Scottish one will be different(maybe) i heard it is not saving data to the govt servers, but between phones.. It c ertainly sounds much better, but I will want to see the guts of it
If that's the case, would you see folks in other parts of the UK simply 'settling' for a more corrupt version? I think not;)
If the 'Scottish app' is potentially less invasive on our privacy, then that's the one everyone [who owns a smartphone and wishes to download the app] will want!
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
17-05-2020, 15:40
How will they do that if you don't own a smartphone?;)
Are they going to spend more multiple millions on equipping the hundreds of thousands of people in the UK, who currently don't have a smartphone, with one? I think not. As you say, the 'peoples revolution' [and trust me, I'd be at the helm] would occur long before then!
Marco.
Maybe they'll bring a halt to untraceable 'top up' facilities, citing their use by criminal gangs as their justification, so folk will have to buy traceable sim contracts. And of course the modern sims won't be compatible with your 3210. So you'll have to buy a smartphone or (more likely) do without altogether and go off the grid.
And in those circumstances, which option do you think I'd be most likely to adopt?;)
I simply don't *need* a smartphone, as my life doesn't revolve around a 'virtual world'. Finally, I'll see some REAL justification for staying clear of today's 'rat race' and technology-obsessed society... I just knew that shunning smartphones would eventually pay off!:)
Here's a thought... If what you're suggesting becomes reality, I wonder how many smartphone owners would give up using them altogether, and go off-grid, if they knew that their data was going to be misused, and that what they were carrying around with them [and effectively controlling their lives] was essentially a tool for 'Big Brother' to spy on them?
Marco [for very good reasons stays off-grid as much as is humanly possible].
Just pop ur phone in this when you go anywhere.. That'll confuse em when you just vanish
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200517/57ab8e1eb91cd7f8b822efac433578f8.jpg
...or just leave it at home, if you don't *really* need it. And REALLY needing it, doesn't mean being able to take 'selfies' to post on Snapchat, or talk bullshit on Instagram, 24/7:doh:
Marco.
handy to have in emergencies... i dont go anywhere anyway so its not especially important for me, but its a principle
Pigmy Pony
17-05-2020, 16:18
And in those circumstances, which option do you think I'm most likely to consider?;)
I simply don't *need* a smartphone, as my life doesn't revolve around a 'virtual world'. Finally, you'll see some REAL justification for me not wishing to become a member of today's 'rat race'... I just knew that shunning smartphones would pay off one day!:)
Here's a thought... If what you're suggesting becomes reality, I wonder how many smartphone owners would give up using them, and go off-grid, if they knew that their data was going to be misused - and what they were carrying around with them [and effectively controlling their lives] was essentially a tool for 'Big Brother' to spy on them?
Marco [for very good reasons stays off-grid as much as humanly possible].
My post was addressing you personally, which is why I inserted (more likely) there :) As to your question, I have no idea how many would give up their smartphones. people will individually decide whether the convenience is worth it. I imagine your average fat bint on Facebook wouldn't care.
I have a smartphone, but I wouldn't say my life revolves round a virtual world. I use the BBC Weather app (real weather, not virtual), sat nav (takes me to real, not virtual places), and Shazam identifies certain songs for me (real songs), and if that leads to me being targeted by those who might sell me related records/downloads/whatever, I can live with that. Other than that I use it for calls and texts (to real people) :)
Anyone that tries to monitor or exploit me via my smartphone will become very bored very quickly.
AJSki2fly
17-05-2020, 17:01
If that's the case, would you see folks in other parts of the UK simply 'settling' for a more corrupt version? I think not;)
If the 'Scottish app' is potentially less invasive on our privacy, then that's the one everyone [who owns a smartphone and wishes to download the app] will want!
Marco.
Sorry but there is an important point I think I need to make, mobile devices and their operating systems, and other computer systems are incredibly sophisticated, to the extent that it is possible to install an app and if with the correct authority override aspects of protection and enable auto update etc, this would not necessarily be visible or know to the end user.
This is one of the reasons all apps on the Apple platform have to go through a testing and acceptance process before being made available on the Apple download platform. My understanding is the proposed government one will not meet certain criteria.
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My post was addressing you personally, which is why I inserted (more likely) there :) As to your question, I have no idea how many would give up their smartphones. people will individually decide whether the convenience is worth it. I imagine your average fat bint on Facebook wouldn't care.
I have a smartphone, but I wouldn't say my life revolves round a virtual world. I use the BBC Weather app (real weather, not virtual), sat nav (takes me to real, not virtual places), and Shazam identifies certain songs for me (real songs), and if that leads to me being targeted by those who might sell me related records/downloads/whatever, I can live with that. Other than that I use it for calls and texts (to real people) :)
Anyone that tries to monitor or exploit me via my smartphone will become very bored very quickly.
No worries, the question was rhetorical, in that it would be interesting to see how many people would choose to continue using their smartphones if they suspected, beyond reasonable doubt, that they were being used by the government to spy on them. Of course, before now the very same was happening, but conducted rather more covertly. So would knowing the truth in that respect be the difference between them keeping hold of their devices or not?
Essentially, choosing between convenience/habit or freedom/privacy... Oh, and I wasn't saying that you live in a virtual world, but rather the majority of diehard smartphone users [people for whom their phones have effectively become their right arms], and who have inadvertently allowed them to control their lives.
Here's the test, in terms of the latter, and how addicted or not you are to your smartphone:
What's the first thing you do when waking up in the morning? If it's to check your phone for new messages (or for any other reason), then you have a problem with addiction. Unless of course there's some ongoing genuine emergency..... Or, would you be able go through a whole day [full 24 hours] without switching on your smartphone? What about 2 days, a week, or a month??
Again, if the answer is no, and there's no *genuinely unavoidable* reason for needing to use it [note that yacking on social media doesn't qualify as such], then the unfortunate reality is that your life revolves around your smartphone. I'm afraid that's the simple truth!
Yup, like you, if I had a smartphone, and was being monitored by the 'powers that be', they'd get very bored, VERY quickly indeed (or most likely permanently traumatised, if they caught me performing my 'stool-disposing regime'), but as Grant says, it's the *principal*...
Marco.
A smartphone is a tool.. A Swiss army knife in effect. If your happy not using its abilities, then fine. Folk who do don't nessesarilly become addicted or a slave to it.
No doubt many are but most just use it for its many advantages.
Amazing tech but if misused can be an issue to privacy etc.
Again tho, it depends on who is getting the info and how personal it is.
It's one thing being tied to your browsing history and another being attached to your govt files
Sorry but there is an important point I think I need to make, mobile devices and their operating systems, and other computer systems are incredibly sophisticated, to the extent that it is possible to install an app and if with the correct authority override aspects of protection and enable auto update etc, this would not necessarily be visible or know to the end user.
This is one of the reasons all apps on the Apple platform have to go through a testing and acceptance process before being made available on the Apple download platform. My understanding is the proposed government one will not meet certain criteria.
There you go, then! Most interesting info, Adrian, and thanks for sharing:thumbsup:
Marco.
A smartphone is a tool.. A Swiss army knife in effect. If your happy not using its abilities, then fine. Folk who do don't nessesarilly become addicted or a slave to it.
No doubt many are but most just use it for its many advantages.
I agree with the first bit, but how do you reconcile the latter with the armies of 'iZombies' roaming our streets, and visible on public transport (more so of course before this pandemic), who quite clearly are GLUED to their smart devices, to the extent that they're completely oblivious to their surroundings, with the worst examples of such bumping into things because they're too busy gawping at their screens??:doh:
It would be laughable if it weren't so sad, and given what we're currently discussing, also very dangerous, as clearly they've already been brainwashed, and so are prime fodder for further controlling!
What about all the kids/teens now who would rather use their phones to send texts to members of their own family, LIVING UNDER THE SAME ROOF, when communicating with them, instead of actually *speaking* to them in person? And trust me, these days that's a common occurrence.
And I'm not just talking about kids (or the young) either. What about all the middle-aged people, and older, who when out for a meal or a drink with their partners or friends, would rather sit using their phones, than indulge in conversation? Bars and restaurants are [or rather were] full of them! I could go on....
So if those aren't valid examples of smartphones CONTROLLING people's lives, and also making them very lazy and susceptible to being further controlled by technology, I don't know what is!
Marco.
You'll always get folk like that. Not everyone does by any means even in the youngish.
If I message my daughter it can take hrs for her to see it.. As an example
Ok, but that's only because she's well-adjusted/educated, no doubt due to how you've brought her up. Many others won't have been as lucky. The point is, the behaviour of you or I, or our offspring, or most likely the majority of members of AoS, isn't necessarily representative of the behaviour of the masses - and ultimately it's the behaviour of the masses that counts!
Unfortunately, I believe "folk like that" now represent the overwhelming majority of the general public.
And there is plenty of observational evidence that supports my theory, based on the daily habits and behavioural traits of the general public, showing that they are *dangerously addicted* to their smartphones, not to mention evidence in schools of it becoming increasingly apparent in children and teens, that they simply *cannot function* without their smartphone - and remember that they represent our future generation!
As I said, take the test I outlined earlier, for assessing how addicted you are to your phone, and how much you've become reliant on it, in order to function [earn a living], and therefore survive, and see how you'd get on...
Marco.
Of course, I see them go by my window, either looking at screen or up at ear. Some folk, and women are worst offenders just seem to be more comfortable that way.
I guess it could be worse what with drink drugs food sex robbery, phone addiction isn't the worst habit.
I have a theory a lot of women feel it is comforting when walking alone to speak with someone.
But maybe they are just bonkers
I understand your other points, and agree that they could be contributing factors towards said behaviour. The fact is, women are naturally more social creatures. However...
I guess it could be worse what with drink drugs food sex robbery, phone addiction isn't the worst habit.
Unfortunately it is in our current situation, where technology is being used to brainwash people into behaving in a manner that serves to further the establishment agenda, surreptitiously via government instruction, and potentially with a view to removing (or severely restricting) their civil liberties.
And the sheep, unless they wake up soon and smell the coffee, will simply fall into the trap and end up paying the ultimate price!
Marco,
Hi Macca,
When you get the chance, I'd appreciate your thoughts on the post below [#1927], which I directed at you earlier, particularly on the bit in bold, and why you used inverted commas:
Are you afraid of showing yours?
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your statement, but why put the word "emotions" inside inverted commas, as if to indicate in some way that they're false, or a sign of weakness? After all, it's what defines us from robots...
Emotions/gut instincts are fundamental to human beings functioning in line with how they were created. Therefore, to shun or dismiss them, is to fail to be human. Of course, one shouldn't be 'ruled' by one's emotions, but then neither should one be 'ruled' by logic, as often our emotional/gut instinct reactions to something/certain situations are more accurate than those governed solely by logic.
Cheers!:cool:
Marco.
Interesting article here: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/virus-did-not-come-from-animals-in-wuhan-market-landmark-study-claims-as-beijing-thwarts-global-efforts-to-establish-the-source-of-covid-19/ar-BB14cv4h?li=BBoPWjQ
Marco.
There is a lot more going on that will come out in time,if we are deemed worthy of knowing, which I doubt. Wouldn’t surprise me if trump sneaked it over so he could do his current finger pointing.
Mikeandvan
17-05-2020, 21:28
A big problem is that getting good high quality information is very difficult. In the USA we hear that some doctors are being abused because they're involved with Covid-19, and some crazy people are denying that the disease exists at all, or in some areas disputing the evidence that it exists within their areas. As for the attacks on phone masts - obviously the little green men are coming ..... and should perhaps be followed by the men in white coats.
Even if we do get very good data and information, many people don't understand, or misinterpret what they hear or read.
People don't always understand obvious things, and Covid-19 presents many aspects which are not at all obvious. Only yesterday I heard someone on the radio saying that the incidence of CV-19 as very low (I think it was mentioned as 0.28%) so we could/should all go out and play and disregard it. The incidence of CV-19 in some areas is low, but let's not forget that initially it was presumably zero, so just one person (or possibly several coming in to the UK at the same time) would have initiated a big problem. The virus has not, as far as I know, changed much in its nature - it can still be deadly for some people.
We are always receiving "information" which has been heavily filtered, and in some cases massaged to present a particular point of view.
Well, if the president of the US tells people to inject bleach into themselves and a only a handful of people do, then I'd say have more faith in the general public.
Mikeandvan
17-05-2020, 21:33
Indeed, John. I'm reminded of the lyrics from this punk song, by Crass: https://genius.com/Crass-general-bacardi-lyrics
"Alternative values were a fucking con
They never really meant it when they said "Get it on"
They really meant, "Mine, that's mine", can't you see?
They stamped on our heads so that they could be free
They formed little groups, like rich man's ghettoes
Tending their goats and organic tomatoes
While the world was being fucked by fascist regimes
They talked of windmills and psychedelic dreams".
Rather poignant, is it not, considering the situation we are potentially facing, with many seemingly ignorant to a very real possibility of being controlled by the global elite? Also, remember Citizen Smith and 'Wolfie's Freedom Fighters':
https://youtu.be/FgVQtGw80LY
"POWER to the PEOPLE", indeed!! But in the RIGHT way, which Marxism isn't.
I say: when the system is patently so corrupt, then fight the system!! And if necessary, I will be 'Wolfie';)
Marco.
You know all the members of Crass are now buy to let landlords? Apart from the one who died of a heroin overdose in the 90s.
Sure, is that so? Well, so am I [own a couple of small properties locally, which are rented out], but I'm sure that, like me, none of them will be millionaires and still have the same core humanitarian values at heart as they did back in the 70s!
Marco.
Mikeandvan
17-05-2020, 22:56
Sure, and so am I [own a couple of small properties locally, which are rented out], but I'm sure that, like me, none of them will be millionaires and still have the same core humanitarian values at heart as they did back in the 70s!
Marco.
I made that up, but they could have been, ANARCHY!
Hi Macca,
When you get the chance, I'd appreciate your thoughts on the post below [#1927], which I directed at you earlier, particularly on the bit in bold, and why you used inverted commas:
Cheers!:cool:
Marco.
Because hate and anger are not emotional responses, they are just learned behaviour.
Yes they are. Don't get me wrong they can also be learned, but the normal anger response is an extreme emotional and physical experience
Pigmy Pony
18-05-2020, 06:53
I would say that hatred is a learned response, but the capacity to hate is something you're born with.
I would say that hatred is a learned response, but the capacity to hate is something you're born with.
indeed but that's no reason to indulge in it or, worse still, make a virtue of it.
Mikeandvan
18-05-2020, 08:26
Forget the summer of love, 2020 is gonna be the summer of hate, all marching to the sound of a certain TRUMPeter.
Because hate and anger are not emotional responses, they are just learned behaviour.
Ah I get you now. I thought you were criticising the expression of emotion, which is fundamental human behaviour. However, I'm more with Grant's definition. You didn't answer my question though of if you were afraid/reluctant to show yours?
No offence, mate, but sometimes you can come across as a bit of a cold fish....
Marco.
indeed but that's no reason to indulge in it or, worse still, make a virtue of it.
Completely agree with that:)
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
20-05-2020, 08:57
Wednesday = PMQs
Wonder if Billy Bluster has had a cold store installed in the chamber.. :scratch: :eyebrows:
Russia has second highest cases, but less than 3,000 deaths. Pute s has done incredible, ;) Also, Brazil more cases than us but half the deaths . Hmm.
anthonyTD
20-05-2020, 10:10
IMHO, We have dealt with the whole situation shockingly, and we are a laughing stock around the world, once again, nothing new there then! :doh:
IMHO, We have dealt with the whole situation shockingly, and we are a laughing stock around the world, once again, nothing new there then! :doh:
Scotland record is far from exemplary ( post 1914 ). More deaths in care homes than England, more deaths ih poorer areas than England, and less testing as well.
Probably LESS funding for testing, too... And the poorer areas are PROPER poor, unlike in England, where they're just playing at it;)
Undoubtedly though, to anyone with half a brain and the ability to examine things rationally, 'The Strurge' has handled the lockdown in Scotland, and this pandemic in general, far better than Boris the Blundering Buffoon has done in England!
Marco.
These sources suggest otherwise:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04033/
"In 2018/19, public spending per person in the UK as a whole was £9,584. In England, it was £9,296 (3% below the UK average). This compares with:
Scotland: £11,247 (17% above the UK average)
Wales: £10,656 (11% above the UK average)
Northern Ireland £11,590 (21% above the UK average).
Among the English regions, public spending per person was lowest in the South East and East Midlands at £8,601 (10% below the UK average) and highest in London at £10,425 (9% higher than the UK average)."
https://www.carehomeprofessional.com/england-lagging-behind-scotland-and-wales-in-social-care-spending-per-person/
New analysis by The Health Foundation has revealed that spending on social care per person in Scotland and Wales is significantly above that in England.
The report shows that England is spending £310 per person on social care, 43% less than Scotland (£445) and 33% below Wales (£414).
The Health Foundation reveals that England has fallen further behind Scotland and Wales since 2010/11 when it spent £345 per person compared with £457 in Scotland (32% more) and £445 in Wales (29% more)."
I suppose it all comes down to who you believe.
Remember that my first paragraph had a smiley at the end;)
It's the second para that's pretty much indisputable though, unless you view the world through a thick blue fog...!
Marco
Remember that my first paragraph had a smiley at the end;)
It's the second para that's pretty much indisputable though, unless you view the world through a thick blue fog...!
Marco
It's not remotely indisputable regardless of political leanings or lack of them in my case. The gov had one priority in this crisis and that was to prevent the health service being overwhelmed and that has been achieved. The handling of the crisis has not been perfect but then it is impossible to handle a new and unexpected crisis perfectly. Way too many poorly-informed 'Captain Hindsight' comments on this thread.
Governments in general do not handle things well at the best of times, achieving sub-optimal outcomes and poor value for money. Those who would like the government to run everything would do well to bear that in mind. Taking that into account it has not done too badly at all. As for the actual politicians it seems it needs to be pointed out again that they actually 'handle' very little themselves. That's what the Civil Service is for.
I presume that we can be safe in the knowledge that any Tech company chosen to run the tracing app will be competent, efficient and cost effective:lol:
NHS
This article is more than 6 years old
Abandoned NHS IT system has cost £10bn so far.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/18/nhs-records-system-10bn. Could have bought a few PPE items with that:rolleyes:
Pierre De Grenoble
20-05-2020, 12:06
As for the actual politicians it seems it needs to be pointed out again that they actually 'handle' very little themselves. That's what the Civil Service is for.
I always thought the Civil Service did or tried to do what the government asked of them.
My understanding is that it is the other way round the Civil Service tell the politicians what to do?
Pierre De Grenoble
20-05-2020, 12:13
My understanding is that it is the other way round the Civil Service tell the politicians what to do?
Yes Minister... :D
Yes Minister... :D
Exactly like Yes Minister :)
In theory the politicians decide policy and the Civil Service carry out those policies but that's only in theory.
In reality the politicians do what is best for the politicians and the Civil Service does what is best for the Civil Service. Very occasionally that pans out well for the rest of us too but that's purely by chance.
It's not remotely indisputable regardless of political leanings or lack of them in my case. The gov had one priority in this crisis and that was to prevent the health service being overwhelmed and that has been achieved. The handling of the crisis has not been perfect but then it is impossible to handle a new and unexpected crisis perfectly. Way too many poorly-informed 'Captain Hindsight' comments on this thread.
Governments in general do not handle things well at the best of times, achieving sub-optimal outcomes and poor value for money. Those who would like the government to run everything would do well to bear that in mind. Taking that into account it has not done too badly at all. As for the actual politicians it seems it needs to be pointed out again that they actually 'handle' very little themselves. That's what the Civil Service is for.
All of course, in your humble opinion!;)
I completely disagree, and think the way that the Tories have handled this crisis has largely been a grossly mismanaged incompetent shambles, full of massaged figures and blatant lies, in contrast to the very clear, concise and efficient way that Nicola Sturgeon has dealt with the *exact same* crisis [born from the same cause] in Scotland.
But the weather is way too nice to be stuck inside arguing the toss with you on this, so I'll let you have the last word, while I return to my crystal flute of chilled Prosecco!:D :wave:
:cheers:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2020, 13:14
Probably LESS funding for testing, too... And the poorer areas are PROPER poor, unlike in England, where they're just playing at it;)
Undoubtedly though, to anyone with half a brain and the ability to examine things rationally, 'The Strurge' has handled the lockdown in Scotland, and this pandemic in general, far better than Boris the Blundering Buffoon has done in England!
Marco.
Not if she has allowed Scotland's testing to go underfunded without commenting though. So which is it - Scotland going underfunded and Nic not bothering to kick off, or are they doing as well as the rest of us, ie not so well?
I'm not saying this to defend Boris Blank-head, but if I may use a building trade metaphor, it's much easier for me to criticise the standard of a plasterer's work than to do the plastering myself. Just sayin' :)
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2020, 13:20
It's not remotely indisputable regardless of political leanings or lack of them in my case. The gov had one priority in this crisis and that was to prevent the health service being overwhelmed and that has been achieved. The handling of the crisis has not been perfect but then it is impossible to handle a new and unexpected crisis perfectly. Way too many poorly-informed 'Captain Hindsight' comments on this thread.
Governments in general do not handle things well at the best of times, achieving sub-optimal outcomes and poor value for money. Those who would like the government to run everything would do well to bear that in mind. Taking that into account it has not done too badly at all. As for the actual politicians it seems it needs to be pointed out again that they actually 'handle' very little themselves. That's what the Civil Service is for.
Wish I'd read this before posting my reply. As always you put it so much better. And you're probably better looking too :)
AJSki2fly
20-05-2020, 13:32
Probably LESS funding for testing, too... And the poorer areas are PROPER poor, unlike in England, where they're just playing at it;)
Undoubtedly though, to anyone with half a brain and the ability to examine things rationally, 'The Strurge' has handled the lockdown in Scotland, and this pandemic in general, far better than Boris the Blundering Buffoon has done in England!
Marco.
Probably LESS funding for testing, too... And the poorer areas are PROPER poor, unlike in England, where they're just playing at it;)
Undoubtedly though, to anyone with half a brain and the ability to examine things rationally, 'The Strurge' has handled the lockdown in Scotland, and this pandemic in general, far better than Boris the Blundering Buffoon has done in England!
Marco.
Have a read of this article, and no I am not a Guardian reader with a beard, wearing socks in sandals before you ask. A friend posted on Facebook.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/18/britain-trust-coronavirus-government-pandemic-public?fbclid=IwAR2QI1y9A7nwuvRmbHoWFo8mQg4_CrzTBE hpRNsHBt7ubDAb10P9mFI-Qok
InThe Sticks
20-05-2020, 13:33
It's not remotely indisputable regardless of political leanings or lack of them in my case. The gov had one priority in this crisis and that was to prevent the health service being overwhelmed and that has been achieved. The handling of the crisis has not been perfect but then it is impossible to handle a new and unexpected crisis perfectly. Way too many poorly-informed 'Captain Hindsight' comments on this thread.
Governments in general do not handle things well at the best of times, achieving sub-optimal outcomes and poor value for money. Those who would like the government to run everything would do well to bear that in mind. Taking that into account it has not done too badly at all. As for the actual politicians it seems it needs to be pointed out again that they actually 'handle' very little themselves. That's what the Civil Service is for.
This ^ :thumbsup:
Not if she has allowed Scotland's testing to go underfunded without commenting though. So which is it - Scotland going underfunded and Nic not bothering to kick off, or are they doing as well as the rest of us, ie not so well?
As Guy said earlier, it depends on who's figures you want to believe! I mainly go by how people conduct themselves in public, what they say, and how much of it becomes reality. And for me, Nicola has a better record of that during this pandemic than hapless, dim-witted BJ-boy, and his bumbling backroom staff.
I'm not saying this to defend Boris Blank-head, but if I may use a building trade metaphor, it's much easier for me to criticise the standard of a plasterer's work than to do the plastering myself. Just sayin' :)
That's absolutely fine, but in agreeing with Martin you're in effect saying that, in terms of the government's handling of this crisis, it's simply "not been perfect". I'm afraid for myself and many others it's been a damn sight worse than that, which is why I wrote what I did!!
IMO, they've been a bloody disgrace - and worse, guilty of crimes against humanity, which one day they'll pay for.
Marco.
Have a read of this article, and no I am not a Guardian reader with a beard, wearing socks in sandals before you ask. A friend posted on Facebook.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/18/britain-trust-coronavirus-government-pandemic-public?fbclid=IwAR2QI1y9A7nwuvRmbHoWFo8mQg4_CrzTBE hpRNsHBt7ubDAb10P9mFI-Qok
Thanks for that Adrian. I'll have a read later. However, as far as the title of the article goes:
"How can Britain trust this floundering crew of fibbers to tackle coronavirus?", I completely agree! Indeed, it's exactly what I've been saying, and I bet if you polled the nation now on the matter, the majority would agree!!:)
Too many dyed-in-the-wool Tories here, with blue-tinted specs on, clouding them from reality.
Right, back out to the sunshine!:cool:
Marco.
Ali Tait
20-05-2020, 14:13
It's not remotely indisputable regardless of political leanings or lack of them in my case. The gov had one priority in this crisis and that was to prevent the health service being overwhelmed and that has been achieved. The handling of the crisis has not been perfect but then it is impossible to handle a new and unexpected crisis perfectly. Way too many poorly-informed 'Captain Hindsight' comments on this thread.
Governments in general do not handle things well at the best of times, achieving sub-optimal outcomes and poor value for money. Those who would like the government to run everything would do well to bear that in mind. Taking that into account it has not done too badly at all. As for the actual politicians it seems it needs to be pointed out again that they actually 'handle' very little themselves. That's what the Civil Service is for.
Having the highest death rate in Europe is “Not done too badly”. Seriously??
Nail > head, mate! :clap:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2020, 14:28
Thanks for that Adrian. I'll have a read later. However, as far as the title of the article goes:
"How can Britain trust this floundering crew of fibbers to tackle coronavirus?", I completely agree! Indeed, it's exactly what I've been saying, and I bet if you polled the nation now on the matter, the majority would agree!!:)
Too many dyed-in-the-wool Tories here, with blue-tinted specs on, clouding them from reality.
Right, back out to the sunshine!:cool:
Marco.
Well I have never been accused of being a Tory, and indeed I have NEVER voted Tory in my life, so this must be aimed at others :)
As a 'free thinker' I don't readily latch onto whatever 'truth' fits with my beliefs. Rather I'm inclined to believe that the truth is somewhere between what the govt is telling us, and what The Guardian has to say about it. Neither do my blue-tinted specs (don't wear specs) cloud me from reality, which is that EVERYBODY LIES. Maybe one day the liars will be called to account, but I doubt it.
Time for me to get out in the sun now, it's currently 34C here, and the pool beckons :) It has a swim-up bar :cool:
AJSki2fly
20-05-2020, 14:29
Thanks for that Adrian. I'll have a read later. However, as far as the title of the article goes:
"How can Britain trust this floundering crew of fibbers to tackle coronavirus?", I completely agree! Indeed, it's exactly what I've been saying, and I bet if you polled the nation now on the matter, the majority would agree!!:)
Too many dyed-in-the-wool Tories here, with blue-tinted specs on, clouding them from reality.
Right, back out to the sunshine!:cool:
Marco.
As I have intimated before and given examples, there are quite a few untruths being bandied around by those in power. Also certain facts about the coronavirus and it’s origin, and stability appear and then suddenly disappear, I wonder why that might be. I have even noted that the “free” press have on occasions got close to what I suspect is the truth and then suddenly do not follow it up?
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Well I have never been accused of being a Tory, and indeed I have NEVER voted Tory in my life, so this must be aimed at others :)
As a 'free thinker' I don't readily latch onto whatever 'truth' fits with my beliefs. Rather I'm inclined to believe that the truth is somewhere between what the govt is telling us, and what The Guardian has to say about it. Neither do my blue-tinted specs (don't wear specs) cloud me from reality, which is that EVERYBODY LIES. Maybe one day the liars will be called to account, but I doubt it.
Time for me to get out in the sun now, it's currently 34C here, and the pool beckons :) It has a swim-up bar :cool:
Lol - what made you think that the "blue-tinted specs" comments were aimed at you? Not at all, as I know you're not a Tory. Those who are, however, or have leanings in that direction (i.e. voted for them at the last general election), are making little attempt at hiding the fact - or their deeply-ingrained bias;)
Yes, everyone lies, to protect their own ass, but some more so than others!
Marco.
As I have intimated before and given examples, there are quite a few untruths being bandied around by those in power. Also certain facts about the coronavirus and it’s origin, and stability appear and then suddenly disappear, I wonder why that might be. I have even noted that the “free” press have on occasions got close to what I suspect is the truth and then suddenly do not follow it up?
As I've always said, Adrian, corruption in Westmonster is rife - and now more than ever! In the end though, as ever, the truth will out and heads will roll.... Roll on the people's revolution!!;)
Marco.
Having the highest death rate in Europe is “Not done too badly”. Seriously??
Where do you get your figures?
I don't look on this pandemic as a league table opportunity, to each individual/family affected by a Covid death, that would be insensitive, but your assertive post caused me to look up the current figures:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/
Far too dangerous to look at statistics as a simple tally - as I have posted previously there are far too many factors to consider to make assumptions on efficiency of any government or to make petty party political points (and no, I do not consider myself a "Tory" or for that matter a Scottish nationalist :lol:).
However the current figures do not show that we have the highest death rate in Europe.
On a different tack, the figures show that Slovakia has the lowest death rate, would I want to live there :scratch: after all in some measures it is considered one of the poorer countries in Europe.
anthonyTD
20-05-2020, 15:04
This post is rubbish without pics! :eek::D
Time for me to get out in the sun now, it's currently 34C here, and the pool beckons :) It has a swim-up bar :cool:
...and in his new 'baby-gro' swimsuit:eyebrows:
Marco.
Where do you get your figures?
Seems pretty clear here (WORLDWIDE, only the US has had more deaths): https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Oh, and I'm a "Scottish Nationalist" only in so far as I'd do anything to end the unjust English/Westminster rule in the UK, which Scotland, Wales and the Republic of Ireland has had to endure and suffer from [be treated as second-class citizens) for centuries!
Anyway, this isn't the time or place for that particular discussion:)
Marco.
Seems pretty clear here (WORLDWIDE, only the US has had more deaths): https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Marco.
Cheers Marco, but that link took me to "confirmed cases" worldwide - not death rate (number of people who die/total population x 100).
The claim that I was querying was
(Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait )
"Having the highest death rate in Europe is “Not done too badly”. Seriously??"
If we were to use confirmed cases as a means of comparison, then Monaco or similarly low population countries would look very good (even if they all died - God forbid).
Having the highest death rate in Europe is “Not done too badly”. Seriously??
It's not a cup competition to find out who's the best. There are various factors involved here, the idea that it can all be blamed on 'the government' is facile and simply represents a poorly-informed and somewhat distasteful attempt to make party political capital out of a tragedy that, if it was anyone's fault, it wasn't anyone in this country.
You could take into account that we have the highest population density in Europe, and that our lockdown was not as severe as some of the other countries, notably Italy. Added to which you have a different social culture that includes a different attitude to obeying the rules. If you look at world press you will also see people in other European countries blaming their governments and the EU, with similar, ideologically-inspired motivations. But some people just cannot help themselves I suppose.
I am not suggesting that the handling has been perfect and mistakes have been made. But then anyone with any real-world experience knows that mistakes get made all the time, in any field of operations. The fact is the primary objective was achieved, which was no mean feat. I cannot see any aspect of this crisis that would have been handled any differently had a different political party been in power. It's completely irrelevant to the situation.
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