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A most informative link, Anthony, so thanks for sharing!:)
This bit for me sums it up [with due emphasis on what I consider as being the most important bits]:
Don’t get your COVID-19 vaccine advice from politicians or pharmaceutical companies, said William Schaffner, medical director of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases and a professor at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine. Instead, trust independent scientists and medical professionals — your doctor, for instance, or your state’s health commissioner.
But those people, in turn, need transparency from the drugmakers and government to be able to give informed advice. That means drug companies and the FDA should be disclosing not just trial data but also the standards they used to evaluate that data, their methods of analysis, and the reasoning behind any decisions they make about potential vaccines.
Being published in a peer-reviewed journal probably isn’t even enough transparency, said Peter Doshi, an associate editor at The BMJ (formerly the British Medical Journal) and a professor at the University of Maryland School of Pharmacy. “If the underlying data are not available, we shouldn’t consider these products as based in a scientific process that allowed clinicians and researchers to review the data themselves,” he wrote in an email. There’s too much riding on the line.
Hear, hear!!!
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
10-11-2020, 15:25
I'll be taking my consultants and specialist nurses advice. I rather suspect they'll be all in favour of me having it.
i will be taking it although probably will be down the list a little, which is fine. nhs, care homes/ and regular visitors and the very elderly will be in front. this all if it gets passed. 20 m people can get done with this one. the oxford one may be valid too and we should hear about it in a few weeks. i guess there will be a good few million of that available too.
again the logistics of moving this stuff around will be a big issue as it has to be kept very cold.
i dont see any reason why anyone would think its been tampered with in any way. its never ever happened,
Not necessarily a case of it having been tampered with, but as already explained in detail, sufficient grounds for some of us believing that it's been rushed through, largely for commercial reasons (big pharma and those heavily invested in them profiting HUGELY from sales of the vaccines), thus not properly tested as being safe, as much as would happen in normal circumstances.
Surely you can see how that could be a possibly, even if you don't think it would happen?
That's why I won't be taking ANY risks in that respect, no matter how small, over something that in all likelihood I don't really need. You don't gamble with a perfectly healthy body, mate, as it's THE most important thing you have. Different in your case, unfortunately with the opposite.
Marco.
.. just when you said you wanted to see the tests on what the govt and royal family will be given to see if they are the same, i assumed you thought there were more than one version,, no probs, and just my view on it. no doubt pharmacutical co's have been on occasion been led by profits; many occasions too, so obviously there will be some risk in bring out a vaccine in a year that should take 10.
Thing is that if we cant get back to nearer normal, the economies of west especially but all economies, will crash and burn. Then we or most of we, will perish anyway. folk like me especially.
Sure, but the Royal family thing was what Anthony wrote, not me. You'll notice I didn't quote that part of his post. I don't necessarily disagree with him in that respect, but would rather concentrate on what I've just outlined, as it's more likely to be real.
In terms of your last point, I fully agree, but with something as personally/biologically invasive as a *potentially unsafe* vaccine [or not as safe as it should be], it's all about self-preservation, mate. I'll only be on this earth for a further maximum of 40 years (if I'm very lucky), and I intend on living those to the full, in as much rude health as I'm able to. Therefore, what happens when I'm gone, in my circumstances, especially without having kids to consider, is of no real concern.
In any case, I suspect that the vast majority of the population will take the vaccine, so as I said, let's hope it works and has the effect you've outlined!
Marco.
walpurgis
10-11-2020, 17:06
i dont see any reason why anyone would think its been tampered with in any way. its never ever happened,
Nor do I. I find the idea implausible.
walpurgis
10-11-2020, 17:06
i dont see any reason why anyone would think its been tampered with in any way. its never ever happened,
Nor do I. I find the idea implausible.
You got a shtttutteerr?:D;)
Marco.
anthonyTD
10-11-2020, 17:32
In my original post, i was'nt refering to the vaccine posibly being tampered with, it was the quality/consistency i was refering to!
Nor do I. I find the idea implausible.
well that is the job of the manufacturers and their countries nra etc. batches are tested before release but obviously its always a potential worry
Pigmy Pony
10-11-2020, 18:11
Bring it on! I personally have no fear of Covid, and similarly no fear of having the vaccine. If it enables those at high risk to be around me, it's worth the risk imo, because I'm already sick of us limping from one lockdown to another.
Meanwhile all those not prepared to have the vaccine could be bussed out to Anglesey or the Isle of Wight for a period of quarantine, and let the virus run its course. Sounds a bit harsh, but food and tents would be provided. Be like a music festival, but without the music. Or the drugs. Definitely no drugs.
Ha - I LURVES Anglesey, so yes, bring it on!:D
Plus, vast areas are virtually unpopulated, so I could prance around in my copious quantities of frocks till my heart's content, and not worry if my bum looks big....
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-11-2020, 18:49
and not worry if my bum looks big....
Marco.
Worry not, it does :ner:
Yes I picked Anglesey as I thought it would be handy for you, and Isle of Wight for Robbie. Not that I believe you're the only two vacc-shunners in Britain, but I'm sure there will still be enough space for social distancing.
I read somewhere that the entire population of the world, stood shoulder to shoulder would fit on the isle of Wight. Not sure if the toilets would cope, but putting you on Anglesey should help lighten the load :)
Ha - you're not wrong... The other day I successfully blocked the pan with just one 'plop', albeit it was the most solidly packed and fattest fucker I'd ever had the pleasure of discharging:D
A veritable catering size 'beef olive'. The satisfaction of having 'done a good job' was simply immense, as it shlipped out my bottee and landed in the pan with a shplash:lol:
Marco.
I could have this entirely wrong, but I have a notion that the entire human population could pack into a small island on the East Coast of Africa and it would be like a crowded cocktail party.
IIRC, the book was called "To stand on Zanzibar" by John Brunner.
First time I went to Switzerland I was troubled by local habits. The toilets had the usual flushing device and washbasin. But a curious device inbetween called a Bidet.
What's it for? Never quite figured it out.
And then bedtime. No sheets or blankets. Just a big fluffy thing called a Duvet.
Well, I just coped.
Then when I went to Austria, Mr. Thomas Crapper's splendid invention had undergone a redesign. When you did your Number Two, it just sat and stared at you.
Rather unhygienic IMO. Apparently it is normal in Germanic countries to inspect your output. Because they eat raw meat, they are interested in checking for worms.
Funny lot, those Foreigners. Thank goodness for Brexit. :lol:
I could have this entirely wrong, but I have a notion that the entire human population could pack into a small island on the East Coast of Africa and it would be like a crowded cocktail party.
IIRC, the book was called "To stand on Zanzibar" by John Brunner.
First time I went to Switzerland I was troubled by local habits. The toilets had the usual flushing device and washbasin. But a curious device inbetween called a Bidet.
What's it for? Never quite figured it out.
And then bedtime. No sheets or blankets. Just a big fluffy thing called a Duvet.
Well, I just coped.
Then when I went to Austria, Mr. Thomas Crapper's splendid invention had undergone a redesign. When you did your Number Two, it just sat and stared at you.
Rather unhygienic IMO. Apparently it is normal in Germanic countries to inspect your output. Because they eat raw meat, they are interested in checking for worms.
Funny lot, those Foreigners. Thank goodness for Brexit. :lol:
It's supposed to be so you don't get splashback,, which they consider unhygienic. But I think you're right they are just dirty bastards. :D
Anyway it's nothing compared to those stand-up toilets in France,
...and in Italy. Nah, they're great. you get to examine the nice 'wee pile' you've just deposited (for worms and stuff), and give it a sniff if necessary, before sending it on its merry way!:D
Marco.
It was many years ago I bought a Eurail travel ticket. It might as well been called a Toilet Ticket for Europe. :lol:
Spanish toilets were disgusting holes in the ground. The French Pissoirs in Paris were not the worst design I have ever seen. At least in an engineering sense.
Things improved in Scandinavia. And they had novel ideas about bathroom showers. The whole floor was some sort of drain.
I always think you can judge a potential employer by the standard of their bathrooms.
Do these people wash their hands? Otherwise I ain't shaking it.
Things improved in Scandinavia. And they had novel ideas about bathroom showers. The whole floor was some sort of drain.
Isn't that what you call a 'wet room'?;)
Or maybe they were into 'golden showers' and just minimising on the mess....:eyebrows:
Marco.
No it's just a shower situated over a hole in the ground. Use it too long you flood the whole flat, Been there. Also the concrete you stand on under the shower will be really rough, Like they just used a chunk from a bomb-damaged Nazi bunker.
After 3 weeks of flogging round Southern Europe in August, and the heat and the flies, I made a sensible decision and went North. I wanted rain and damp.
Nipped through Denmark. and onto Sweden. Sweden was fascinating. I had no idea about the language, but everybody was terrifically friendly and I remet my friend Peter Gustafson in Orebro.
My last destination was Norway. I had a little Norwegian sweetheart called Eva in Moss. I had met her in London. Moss, I now know, is the town where SEAS loudspeakers do their business.
A happy week in Norway. But the bathroom plumbing was unfamiliar. As was Eva's mother, who wandered round the house half-naked most of the time.
You just pretend not to notice. You follow?
RobbieGong
10-11-2020, 22:41
After 3 weeks of flogging round Southern Europe in August, and the heat and the flies, I made a sensible decision and went North. I wanted rain and damp.
Nipped through Denmark. and onto Sweden. Sweden was fascinating. I had no idea about the language, but everybody was terrifically friendly and I remet my friend Peter Gustafson in Orebro.
My last destination was Norway. I had a little Norwegian sweetheart called Eva in Moss. I had met her in London. Moss, I now know, is the town where SEAS loudspeakers do their business.
A happy week in Norway. But the bathroom plumbing was unfamiliar. As was Eva's mother, who wandered round the house half-naked most of the time.
You just pretend not to notice. You follow?
:D
uk death toll now over 50,000... highest in europe.
walpurgis
11-11-2020, 17:36
uk death toll now over 50,000... highest in europe.
About the same as The Blitz if I recall.
About the same as The Blitz if I recall.
a fair bit more i think .. its not a very good statstic
anthonyTD
11-11-2020, 17:43
One could wonder how many of those from road traffic accidents, and folk falling down the stairs, and dare i say it; from usual yearly Flu etc, etc, have also been added to the Covid count though!
a fair bit more i think .. its not a very good statstic
anthonyTD
11-11-2020, 18:15
Let’s spell it out, for those who don’t know the history. The BBC was set up to limit free speech.
In June 1920, Marconi, with backing from the Daily Mail, made the first (private) radio broadcast in Britain. The British State, run by Britain’s ruling class, was horrified. They feared the masses, and they feared free mass communication. In America there had been an explosion of private radio stations, broadcasting whatever they liked. Within months, radio broadcasting in Britain had been banned. Scores of private companies were itching to get into radio broadcasting and repeatedly petitioned the government. In response, the British State announced in 1922 that it would control all radio broadcasting. When TV came along, the same thing happened. Companies like Marconi, the Daily Mail, HMV, EMI and others were dying to plunge in. But TV was declared to be a State monopoly.
One could wonder how many of those from road traffic accidents, and folk falling down the stairs, and dare i say it; from usual yearly Flu etc, etc, have also been added to the Covid count though!
Indeed... I wouldn't consider the figures quoted to be particularly accurate, for the very reasons you've outlined, and which I also did way back on this thread.
For me, for *whatever reason*, dubious or otherwise [among other things, I'd suggest to encourage a high take-up of the vaccine once it's properly rolled out], they (the government/media/powers that be) WANT the stats to look worse than they are, and to paint the gloomiest picture possible of the situation we're in with this pandemic.
Marco.
Let’s spell it out, for those who don’t know the history. The BBC was set up to limit free speech.
In June 1920, Marconi, with backing from the Daily Mail, made the first (private) radio broadcast in Britain. The British State, run by Britain’s ruling class, was horrified. They feared the masses, and they feared free mass communication. In America there had been an explosion of private radio stations, broadcasting whatever they liked. Within months, radio broadcasting in Britain had been banned. Scores of private companies were itching to get into radio broadcasting and repeatedly petitioned the government. In response, the British State announced in 1922 that it would control all radio broadcasting. When TV came along, the same thing happened. Companies like Marconi, the Daily Mail, HMV, EMI and others were dying to plunge in. But TV was declared to be a State monopoly.
Absolutely, which is why I *NEVER* take as gospel a single word that the BBC (or most mainstream media) have to say, as its invariably driven by agenda and bias.
Therefore, in that respect, swallowing everything that the likes of the BBC news reports (on any important subject) is, quite simply, the behaviour of a gullible muppet. If you want the truth on any matter, or closer to it than the BBC will ever disclose, then use less regulated and controlled, independent sources instead, for such information.
However, what's worth noting, considering the situation we're in at the moment with Covid-19, is the MENTALITY of the 'powers that be', in terms of censoring anything that they consider is 'dangerous' for the masses to know, or that will expose their brainwashing. That stuff didn't just happen back then; it's STILL happening, and indeed alive and kicking, NOW...
And that is why we must continue using all the available uncensored channels we can, in order to EXPOSE their lies and reveal the truth!
Marco.
Let’s spell it out, for those who don’t know the history. The BBC was set up to limit free speech.
In June 1920, Marconi, with backing from the Daily Mail, made the first (private) radio broadcast in Britain. The British State, run by Britain’s ruling class, was horrified. They feared the masses, and they feared free mass communication. In America there had been an explosion of private radio stations, broadcasting whatever they liked. Within months, radio broadcasting in Britain had been banned. Scores of private companies were itching to get into radio broadcasting and repeatedly petitioned the government. In response, the British State announced in 1922 that it would control all radio broadcasting. When TV came along, the same thing happened. Companies like Marconi, the Daily Mail, HMV, EMI and others were dying to plunge in. But TV was declared to be a State monopoly.
Do you have a reference for the above?
Free speech is the underlying principle of Liberal Democracy.
You are allowed to say what you think.
Certain people oppose it greatly. We know who they are. :)
A free press, an unbiased Civil Service, an independent Army.
All good things, IMO.
Back in the '80s a friend of mine's mother was a doctor. There was some issue with Government reforms that blew up a bit and was in the news as it was thought the doctors might actually go on strike.
Anyway the doctors at her hospital held a meeting to decide what they were going to do. A BBC news crew showed up and asked to film it. They had the meeting and when it breaks up the BBC bloke was not happy because there was no vote. Someone explained to him that this wasn't a trade union meeting and they just talked and reached a consensus about what action was to be taken, there was no need for a vote.
However when the segment was shown on the six o'clock news, the accompanying footage did show these same doctors solemnly raising their hands, ostensibly in a 'vote'.
What actually happened was that shortly after the meeting started the tea-lady had come in and asked 'Hands up who wants tea? Hands up who wants coffee'. And the BBC had used their footage of that to accompany the report.
Interesting story... Some valid 'real world' proof then of how keen they are to skew the reporting of events towards how THEY want to portray them, regardless of the reality!:doh:
Therefore, people would do well to bear that in mind when they're watching the BBC news' portrayal of the Coronavirus crisis, and also how apparently 'safe' the forthcoming vaccine will be!
Marco.
Free speech is the underlying principle of Liberal Democracy.
You are allowed to say what you think.
Certain people oppose it greatly. We know who they are. :)
A free press, an unbiased Civil Service, an independent Army.
All good things, IMO.
Indeed... Yet, the state will always do everything in its power to suppress those, in order to impose control and protect its best interests. Fuck that!!
That's why we must FIGHT such censorship and eroding of our civil liberties, at ALL costs, and DEFEND our HUMAN RIGHTS, as there is NOTHING more important in a supposedly democratic and FREE country, as our FREEDOM!:more::more:
Marco [FOREVER a FREE-THINKER and an INDIVIDUAL, *never* a clone].
I am an old boy, so I've seen it most before. :lol:
Any Country calling itself "Democratic" is the least likely candidate in the Universe to be "Democratic".
I do understand that employees of certain institutions are under pressure to tell lies. But think about this,
There are a million lies. But there is only one truth. Cool, eh? I don't have time to waste. :)
anthonyTD
12-11-2020, 10:40
It was a quote from this report Barry.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2015/05/12/the-bbc-is-a-sinister-organisation-it-must-be-abolished-not-reformed/
Do you have a reference for the above?
You have email, daftee!:)
Marco.
anthonyTD
12-11-2020, 11:32
You too Daftee!
You have email, daftee!:)
Marco.
Most of what you read in the papers is lies. Probably goes for other media too.
Whenever I have read a report about this and that, that I know about, most of it is factually wrong.
The only one I trust is the Financial Times. Their readership is in the Inner Circle anyway. So well-informed.
The Telegraph is good in times of war, since it is the Military's favourite reading.
Don't get me onto the BBC and The Guardian. They have an agenda. Ever noticed how bad both of them are on Horse-racing?
I don't think they approve.
Most of what you read in the papers is lies. Probably goes for other media too.
Whenever I have read a report about this and that, that I know about, most of it is factually wrong
Yes, I always found that to be the case too.
Re newspapers - as usual Yes Minister provides all the answers:
James Hacker:
I know exactly who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country. The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country. The Times is read by people who actually do run the country. The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country. The Financial Times is read by people who own the country. The Morning Star is read by the people who think the country should be run by another country. And the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
Sir Humphrey Appleby:
Prime Minister, what about the people who read the Sun?
Bernard Woolley:
The Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits
I was photographer for our College magazine. We called ourselves The Hacks.
Familiar with dirty tricks like "The Frankenstein Flash".
The idea to make political opponents look bad, you turned the camera and flash upside down.
It made them look like Boris Karloff, black under the eyes, and extremely sinister.
We also published filthy poetry and attributed it to the Chairman of the College Conservative Party. Godfrey Rock.
A poem by Godfrey Rock.
"The sexual life of the Camel
Is stranger than Anyone Thinks
On the banks of the Nile
By the light of the moon
It sneaks up and buggers the Sphinx"
Everybody thought Godfrey was an oddball after that.
I don't know how we got away with it.
walpurgis
12-11-2020, 12:40
[/B]Prime Minister, what about the people who read the Sun?
Bernard Woolley:
The Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits
I didn't realise anybody who could read bought The Sun.
anthonyTD
12-11-2020, 13:03
:eek:
I didn't realise anybody who could read bought The Sun.
I haven't read a newspaper in about 15 years... And even then it was usually just the sports pages!:D
Best way to divorce yourself from the brainwash - that and watching the minimal amount of mainstream news on TV.
Marco.
anthonyTD
12-11-2020, 13:19
Can't remember ever buying a mainstream newspaper!
I haven't read a newspaper in about 15 years... And even then it was usually just the sports pages!:D
Best way to divorce yourself from the brainwash - that and watching the minimal amount of mainstream news on TV.
Marco.
The Sun is a superb newspaper.
I always buy it on Saturday, because the Sports section is just the best.
I throw away the Telly guide, because I am more Radio.
It takes 5 minutes to read, except for the Horse-racing pullout which repays hours of my study.
Traditionally, as a Sun reader, you need a reading age of 11 and 1100 words in your vocabulary.
But it's cheap too. 85p? What's not to like?
Their coverage of the Hillsborough disaster?
You tell me about Hillsborough. I'm not sure. But like most of us, I was watching and bewildered. Was it Forest they were playing?
I nearly got killed by the Liverpool supporters at Arsenal Clock End back in the Eighties.
Got into the away end and then those Scousers just pushed us into the stanchions and fence.
Nothing against Liverpool. A team I have always enjoyed watching. But the supporters are a rough bunch.
anthonyTD
12-11-2020, 14:11
:D
The Sun is a superb newspaper.
I always buy it on Saturday, because the Sports section is just the best.
I throw away the Telly guide, because I am more Radio.
It takes 5 minutes to read, except for the Horse-racing pullout which repays hours of my study.
Traditionally, as a Sun reader, you need a reading age of 11 and 1100 words in your vocabulary.
But it's cheap too. 85p? What's not to like?
was a great site paper.. nice n soft, yet absobent :eyebrows:
just had my flu jab. nurse came to house.. never felt a thing.. amazingly small needles
walpurgis
12-11-2020, 14:50
was a great site paper.. nice n soft, yet absobent :eyebrows:
Wasn't good enough quality for chip shops though. :)
I was just yakking with my Ex, who is a care assistant in an old folks home in Wales.
She has been laid off for 10 days due to a positive Covid-19 result. So has come down to Gosport for lack of much else to do.
She is 63. So I worry. But apparently has little worse than a sore throat and cough.
Well, that's a relief. I need all the friends I can get. :)
anthonyTD
12-11-2020, 15:19
Isnt she suposed to self isolate, or are you just pulling our chain ? :scratch:
I was just yakking with my Ex, who is a care assistant in an old folks home in Wales.
She has been laid off for 10 days due to a positive Covid-19 result. So has come down to Gosport for lack of much else to do.
She is 63. So I worry. But apparently has little worse than a sore throat and cough.
Well, that's a relief. I need all the friends I can get. :)
just had my flu jab. nurse came to house.. never felt a thing.. amazingly small needles
What was the nurse like? Did she give you a wee 'soap down', just for good measure? :eyebrows:
Marco.
What was the nurse like? Did she give you a wee 'soap down', just for good measure? :eyebrows:
Marco.
nope, just in and out :rolleyes:;)
walpurgis
12-11-2020, 15:28
nope, just in and out :rolleyes:;)
'Shake it all about' :)
nope, just in and out :rolleyes:;)
Ah - just a quickie, then? Sometimes in and out's enough:D
Marco.
now, now.. she is lovely lass.. respect to her and her kind
Isnt she suposed to self isolate, or are you just pulling our chain ? :scratch:
No, she is very responsible. She is staying at her Mother's house. Mum is in hospital. Which was why she came down.
All she is doing is watching Netflix in isolation. But is not allowed to visit Mum. When you're Mum is dying, I cut people a bit of slack.
Just wants to be close.
now, now.. she is lovely lass.. respect to her and her kind
Indeed:)
Marco.
Indeed:)
Marco.
if i were younger of course ;):D
anthonyTD
12-11-2020, 16:05
Indeed!
Too many folk have missed out on seeing their eldery relatives through this very strange time :(
No, she is very responsible. She is staying at her Mother's house. Mum is in hospital. Which was why she came down.
All she is doing is watching Netflix in isolation. But is not allowed to visit Mum. When you're Mum is dying, I cut people a bit of slack.
Just wants to be close.
She told me something else interesting.
The Government aren't telling us this, but why has Covid-19 suddenly exploded? Enquiring minds want to know.
Her grandaughters have had their Gosport school shut again, due to Covid. Portsmouth University is infested with the germ.
Really I can live without formal education. I always amused myself well enough in the Holiday. Plenty of things to get on with.
It was a quote from this report Barry.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2015/05/12/the-bbc-is-a-sinister-organisation-it-must-be-abolished-not-reformed/
Aha - An equally skewed opinion from a far-right news website.
if i were younger of course ;):D
Lol - what age is she roughly?
Marco.
Lol - what age is she roughly?
Marco.
not sure.. 40 maybe, but looks younger
She told me something else interesting.
The Government aren't telling us this, but why has Covid-19 suddenly exploded? Enquiring minds want to know.
Because they want as many folks as possible to take the vaccine (simple formula: the more you make 'em worry about catching the virus, by falsely inflating the death figures and number of infections, the likelier they'll be to open their veins for a 'cure'...), so the big pharmas who've produced the vaccines, and their investors, controlling the agenda, can all get filthy rich beyond their wildest dreams!;)
Marco.
sorry but it doesnt make financial sense.. bankrupt the world to make a few quid, then not be able to sell anything else as everyone is skint... needs much more meat that idea.
Why? Do you think the elite give a shite about the world or the minions populating it, as long as they're the ones in control, with all the money (and of everyone who's left, for them to rule)? Course not!
Why do you think Gates retired from Microsoft? Because he had much bigger fish to fry! And his 'interests' in AstraZeneca (and other big pharma), once the vaccines properly start rolling out to the WORLD population, will ensure that he'll become far wealthier and more powerful than in his wildest dreams, before this pandemic happened...
Marco.
Because they want as many folks as possible to take the vaccine (simple formula: the more you make 'em worry about catching the virus by falsely inflating the figures, the likelier they'll be to open their veins for a 'cure'...), so the big pharmas producing them, and their investors, controlling the agenda, can all get filthy rich beyond their wildest dreams!;)
Marco.
I'm not sure. Covid is a depressing disaster for any Economic model. I think the market calls these things "Black Swans."
Stock Market and Share Price down 20% tells you what you need to know.
That means 1 in 5 people get laid off. I am not a financier, but have hung round them.
Oh well. Hope for the best.
I'm not sure. Covid is a depressing disaster for any Economic model.
Stock Market and Share Price down 20% tells you what you need to know.
That means 1 in 5 people get laid off. I am not a financier, but have hung round them.
Oh well. Hope for the best.
Watch this space, mate...;)
Marco.
no other expensive meds are selling as all the treatments for cancer etc are cancelled. its hitting big pharma as well. and as powerful as they are in the chucking money at govts and party officials, they basically have no real power if the chips come down.
china and russia will just steal the vaccine anyway and sell their own knockoffs. its a short term thing as in a few years everyone and their dog will be making ones.
oh and the elite owned russia until the people took it back, then another lot of chancers took it off them... now they have oligachs and gangsters. china is super rich but dont give a shit about the so called elite, coz their govt runs everything it wants. america may change again now, but im not sure
Aha - An equally skewed opinion from a far-right news website.
There's a lot of truth in it though, when you see the antics that they've got up to in the past, and continue to get up to now! Look how the whole Jimmy Saville thing was covered up until it was too late for any action to be taken against him. Do you think that the head honchos at the BBC didn't know what was going on? Of course they did! But instead turned a blind eye...
The BBC: British Broadcasting Corruption! Another classic and outdated 'old boys network' (full of sexists and paedos), much like the House of Lords, which is long past its sell-by date. Can't fucking stand any of them.
Marco.
We all knew Saville was deeply evil.
But try taking it on.
Your life and career is at stake.
Vested interests will come after you.
I have been there. I lost my job.
no other expensive meds are selling as all the treatments for cancer etc are cancelled. its hitting big pharma as well. and as powerful as they are in the chucking money at govts and party officials, they basically have no real power if the chips come down.
china and russia will just steal the vaccine anyway and sell their own knockoffs. its a short term thing as in a few years everyone and their dog will be making ones.
oh and the elite owned russia until the people took it back, then another lot of chancers took it off them... now they have oligachs and gangsters. china is super rich but dont give a shit about the so called elite, coz their govt runs everything it wants. america may change again now, but im not sure
We'll see what happens now in the coming months, but make my words.
Marco.
We all knew Saville was deeply evil.
But try taking it on.
Your life and career is at stake.
Vested interests will come after you.
I have been there. I lost my job.
Absolutely - and that's the reality we live in, which makes me sick to the core, and why I will always expose corruption when I see it, and speak out against it, no matter WHO is involved. All these wankers need brought to justice. And as for "vested interests", look no further than the perverted c*nts in Buckingham Palace - Saville's best buddies!!:doh:
Marco.
I used to work in the Heart of the Rotten Empire at BBC Bush House in the Strand.
We mostly had a good time there.The all-night canteen was great. 3 steaks, 6 eggs and chips for a pound worked for me. Just be friendly to the girls behind the counter.
Meeting Sir Bob Geldof and looking after his bag. Rescuing Princess Margaret from a stuck lift.
But there were some terrible things going on there too. Thieving on an industrial scale.
We couldn't believe what we were seeing on security camera some nights. The deputy house manager was a crook. Nicking £1000 cleaning machines.
We all got moved on. You can't beat the system.
It'll be very interesting seeing how, in comparison, the whole Covid thing is handled now in America.... And indeed, going forward, how much life also changes in the rest of the world, as a result of the scumbag Democrats winning. Sometimes it's better with the devil you know;)
Marco.
There's a LOT of questionable stuff for our election. In my state there was a 67% turn out in the county with the most people in it.... 22% over a nationwide all time high turn out? I dunno... My great uncle voted for the first time in his life and he's 83/4 (forget his B-day) and can't read. He brought multiple forms of ID and everything he could to register and vote same day. He started to show them and they said "oh we don't need to look at that, just go right over there and vote"... He has some concerns about what's going on since anyone can vote all they want - could California have went Red for the first time since who knows if ever?
The affidavits signed are very interesting for Michigan. The election is a giant mess, it truly is... And I honestly doubt if it was done right Biden would win; in particular now that people are realizing his new name is Lock Down Joe. Consider that his new expert is recommending borrowing money to pay people for another 4-6 week lock down that's nation wide and comprehensive... Utter nightmare. I don't think anyone who hates Trump felt they were voting for that.
What's really concerning is the stuff like they want to have tribunals for Trump supporters, come to your house take your firearms, make a social ranking system, and guarantee there's no manufacturing so we give all our money to China through Amazon... The country that started this f'ing mess. It wasn't that many years ago that Republicans where the globalist war mongers... now it's the Democrats? It seems like it flipped with Obama, and even then his base rejected the horrid trade agreement but now there won't be anyone to stop it because everyone's gone party-blind. It seems covid is just the smoke screen to keep all this happening.
anthonyTD
12-11-2020, 19:01
:eek::ner:
Aha - An equally skewed opinion from a far-right news website.
There's a LOT of questionable stuff for our election. In my state there was a 67% turn out in the county with the most people in it.... 22% over a nationwide all time high turn out? I dunno... My great uncle voted for the first time in his life and he's 83/4 (forget his B-day) and can't read. He brought multiple forms of ID and everything he could to register and vote same day. He started to show them and they said "oh we don't need to look at that, just go right over there and vote"... He has some concerns about what's going on since anyone can vote all they want - could California have went Red for the first time since who knows if ever?
The affidavits signed are very interesting for Michigan. The election is a giant mess, it truly is... And I honestly doubt if it was done right Biden would win; in particular now that people are realizing his new name is Lock Down Joe. Consider that his new expert is recommending borrowing money to pay people for another 4-6 week lock down that's nation wide and comprehensive... Utter nightmare. I don't think anyone who hates Trump felt they were voting for that.
What's really concerning is the stuff like they want to have tribunals for Trump supporters, come to your house take your firearms, make a social ranking system, and guarantee there's no manufacturing so we give all our money to China through Amazon... The country that started this f'ing mess. It wasn't that many years ago that Republicans where the globalist war mongers... now it's the Democrats? It seems like it flipped with Obama, and even then his base rejected the horrid trade agreement but now there won't be anyone to stop it because everyone's gone party-blind. It seems covid is just the smoke screen to keep all this happening.
You talk a LOT of sense, Jeremy, much of which I agree with, especially your summarising sentence! It's rather worrying indeed, and why, even though I'm far from a fan of Trump, 'the man', I didn't want the Democrats to win, because IMO they're simply puppets for the elite, and as you've outlined, making the likes of Bezos even more obscenely rich:doh:
Hopefully, the legal battle will reveal a significant number of fraudulent votes, in favour of 'Lockdown Joe', and force a recount!
Marco.
Forget it. Mr Trumps wild ride is over.
Pigmy Pony
12-11-2020, 20:48
You talk a LOT of sense, Jeremy, much of which I agree with, especially your summarising sentence! It's rather worrying indeed, and why, even though I'm far from a fan of Trump, 'the man', I didn't want the Democrats to win, because IMO they're simply puppets for the elite, and as you've outlined, making the likes of Bezos even more obscenely rich:doh:
Hopefully, the legal battle will reveal a significant number of fraudulent votes, in favour of 'Lockdown Joe', and force a recount!
Marco.
Not pointing the finger at anyone here, but:
Lockdown Joe? Is that what people are calling him? And is this a criticism? The American people have every right to criticise thus as it affects them. But perhaps not us, and certainly not anyone who criticised our government for being late with the first lockdown.
Lockdown. No lockdown. They can't both be wrong, can they?
What gets me is the age of them. Biden will be 81 when he leaves office. I mean it's a lot to take on at that age. I wouldn't fancy the job if I won it in a raffle.
If I was 77 and loaded I'd be in the Caribbean. Swimming, eating steak and lobster, evenings playing $200 dollar a hand blackjack in the casino accompanied by a concubine half my age. Getting some quality time in in my twilight years.
Not sat in an office or dragging my ass around the country with everybody and his dog breaking my balls on an hourly basis.
Not pointing the finger at anyone here, but:
Lockdown Joe? Is that what people are calling him? And is this a criticism? The American people have every right to criticise thus as it affects them. But perhaps not us, and certainly not anyone who criticised our government for being late with the first lockdown.
Lockdown. No lockdown. They can't both be wrong, can they?
I'm calling him that and I live in the US.
He wants to rejoin the WHO, but wants to force a really big lockdown for 6 weeks (maybe 4) nationwide as well as a national mask mandate at the least. This is despite the fact the WHO says don't do lock downs now.
What gets me is the age of them. Biden will be 81 when he leaves office. I mean it's a lot to take on at that age. I wouldn't fancy the job if I won it in a raffle.
If I was 77 and loaded I'd be in the Caribbean. Swimming, eating steak and lobster, evenings playing $200 dollar a hand blackjack in the casino accompanied by a concubine half my age. Getting some quality time in in my twilight years.
Not sat in an office or dragging my ass around the country with everybody and his dog breaking my balls on an hourly basis.
I completely agree! But then, on a lower level, I also feel the same about daftees (ordinary civilians) in their late 60s/70s [and older:eek:] still trudging out to work everyday, as if they don't have anything else better to do!;)
Marco [there's got to be more to life than work].
guessing it would be the pinnacle of achievement for an American to become prez..in the books forever etc near top..
It's all heavy going right now. :(
Me and my friends are smelling a distinct smell of BS.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-11th-november-2020
That's because we talk and meet in person. And are reasonably intelligent and experienced in the ways of the World. Not believe the Media.
There is something distinctly bad going on right now. But I can't see the payoff for the crooks. £100 for a vaccine is not much money. As opposed to a £5000 annual loss to the real economy.
Does anyone agree? :scratch:
anthonyTD
13-11-2020, 14:02
Be interesting to hear your thoughts on it Steve, i am sure there are many of us here thinking similarly.
It's all heavy going right now. :(
Me and my friends are smelling a distinct smell of BS.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-11th-november-2020
That's because we talk and meet in person. And are reasonably intelligent and experienced in the ways of the World. Not believe the Media.
There is something distinctly bad going on right now. But I can't see the payoff for the crooks. £100 for a vaccine is not much money. As opposed to a £5000 annual loss to the real economy.
Does anyone agree? :scratch:
i was talking about other countries like russia etc who just try and steal vaccines..
reports today...
Microsoft says it has detected cyber-attacks from Russia and North Korea targeting seven companies involved in researching vaccines
and treatments for Covid-19.
The company’s vice-president, Tom Burt, said in a blog post that the targets included leading pharmaceutical companies and vaccine researchers in Canada, France, India, South Korea and the United States.
The attacks came from one group in Russia and two in North Korea.
The "majority" of these attacks were said to have been blocked and the companies informed.
It is not the first time that states have been accused of targeting vaccine work.
In July, the UK said Russian intelligence was behind the targeting of UK research, including on the Oxford vaccine.The US also accused China of similar activity.
All of this is part of a global race for a vaccine as countries seek advantage over each other.
anthonyTD
13-11-2020, 16:04
Possibly,
But it could also be because they want to see what it is we'll be getting, and thus avoid it like the plague! :eek:
Also, the Russians have already got their version of a vaccine havent they :scratch:
i was talking about other countries like russia etc who just try and steal vaccines..
reports today...
Microsoft says it has detected cyber-attacks from Russia and North Korea targeting seven companies involved in researching vaccines
and treatments for Covid-19.
The company’s vice-president, Tom Burt, said in a blog post that the targets included leading pharmaceutical companies and vaccine researchers in Canada, France, India, South Korea and the United States.
The attacks came from one group in Russia and two in North Korea.
The "majority" of these attacks were said to have been blocked and the companies informed.
It is not the first time that states have been accused of targeting vaccine work.
In July, the UK said Russian intelligence was behind the targeting of UK research, including on the Oxford vaccine.The US also accused China of similar activity.
All of this is part of a global race for a vaccine as countries seek advantage over each other.
Possibly,
But it could also be because they want to see what it is we'll be getting, and thus avoid it like the plague! :eek:
Also, the Russians have already got their version of a vaccine havent they :scratch:
aye but it works like the plague... just want to see:doh:;) we all know what they are like. did it with most things tbh..how do you think they got the atom bomb?:lol:
anthonyTD
13-11-2020, 17:00
:eek:
In all seriousness though,the russians like most other countries must have some very clever people among the top scientists there, so why the need to copy everything from us and elsewhere, have we become so arogant to think the UK and USA have the only smart people on the planet ? :doh:
aye but it works like the plague... just want to see:doh:;) we all know what they are like. did it with most things tbh..how do you think they got the atom bomb?:lol:
:eek:
In all seriousness though,the russians like most other countries must have some very clever people among the top scientists there, so why the need to copy everything from us and elsewhere, have we become so arogant to think the UK and USA have the only smart people on the planet ? :doh:
not enough to be smart you also have to have the knowledge. Almost all new pharmaceuticals are developed in Europe and the USA and 75% are manufactured in Europe. If you don't have those decades of background in the science and the infrastructure it's a lot quicker to steal the knowledge rather than start from scratch and develop it yourselves.
Stryder5
13-11-2020, 18:50
https://principia-scientific.com/top-pfizer-whistleblower-trashes-companys-vaccine-breakthrough-spin/?fbclid=IwAR1Vx3UcWdHZcGVlzktZnYxFYN15QgU-9KtGNOOTa7y2EeggAeAzTzjhBxc
Interesting.
Gary
What's new? When I worked in polymer research a lot of time was spent reading patent abstracts for ideas.
The companies producing vaccines will, quite naturally, look at what other research scientists are doing - do people really believe only communist states are involved in this?
https://principia-scientific.com/top-pfizer-whistleblower-trashes-companys-vaccine-breakthrough-spin/?fbclid=IwAR1Vx3UcWdHZcGVlzktZnYxFYN15QgU-9KtGNOOTa7y2EeggAeAzTzjhBxc
Interesting.
Gary
Indeed, although one should always be suspicious of sites that ask for donations, as their commercial interests are liable to skew the agenda;)
There's certainly nothing in there though that would encourage me any more to take the vaccine!
Marco.
I don't mind sending a bit of cash to good websites.
Wikipedia nags for money a bit, but considering they are the best free University library in the World, I thought a tenner would hardly bust my finances.
Their thankyou letter/email was touching.
The Covid-19 horror is ongoing. Gary's link was disturbing to say the least. UKColumn are battling away to find the truth. UK Politics is clearly going through an Earthquake between BJ, Dominic and the 1922 Committee and possibly the EU.
I am just trying to figure out why all Hell has suddenly broken loose.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 11:26
:)
I have been following Dr Yeadon, and he seems genuinely concerned about it all.
Every day i wake i hope that someone will blow the lid of this whole afair, might not have to wait much longer when you see people like this and thousands of other doctors and scientist around the world condeming the whole thing! :rolleyes:
https://principia-scientific.com/top-pfizer-whistleblower-trashes-companys-vaccine-breakthrough-spin/?fbclid=IwAR1Vx3UcWdHZcGVlzktZnYxFYN15QgU-9KtGNOOTa7y2EeggAeAzTzjhBxc
Interesting.
Gary
Indeed, and in terms of what written in the article, what did I say before about Fauci and his cronies, who've all got vested interests in the sale of these vaccines, so you can't trust a word that they say - and certainly not follow their advice to the letter about how to handle this pandemic!:doh:
In that respect, at the very minimum, folks need to open their eyes and see things for what they REALLY are, rather than how they've been deliberately portrayed (biased) by the governments and media.
Marco.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 12:03
The main reason i sugested in an earlier post that the vaccine be randomly tested batch by batch was because i [along with many others i presume] suspected that there may not be anything in the vaccine to help immunise the person receiving it, think about it, if this whole thing has been a fabrication, then all it would take is a placebo injection to be at least 90% effective.
The governments have already admited that a positive test result does not mean the person tested has Cov-2 virus, also if this Dr is correct in what he is stating, Cov-2 virus hasnt even been isolated, and therefore identified as the virus responsible for all of this.
Indeed, and in terms of what written in the article, what did I say before about Fauci and his cronies, who've all got vested interests in the sale of these vaccines, so you can't trust a word that they say - and certainly not follow their advice to the letter about how to handle this pandemic!:doh:
In that respect, at the very minimum, folks need to open their eyes and see things for what they REALLY are, rather than how they've been deliberately portrayed (biased) by the governments and media.
Marco.
Ok, but if it's just a placebo, then how, in any real sense, will that help address the virus? The virus definitely exists, it's not imagined or fake, so what would be gained, in real terms, simply by administering a placebo?
Marco.
If I was a crook, I'd just put distilled water in glass phials, charge about a £100 a pop for a 90% effective vaccine, and run away giggling with the money.
AFAIK, most 98% of people survive this germ anyway.
The FTSE 100 which is a goodish barometer of whatever is going on has had its best week since April:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/13/ftse-100-set-for-best-week-since-april-amid-hopes-covid-vaccine
Even the Guardian says that.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 13:48
Because if this is what many people think it is ie; Flu, then it will eventualy fizzle out as it always does year on year out, and they will say "look" the vaccine has worked!
I am not saying this is the case, but you have to wonder.
The Flu vaccine is at best 50% effective, and they have been studying that for many years, how have they managed to develope a vaccine for a brand new corona virus that is 90% effective in around 9 months, thats the big question everyone should be asking.
Ok, but if it's just a placebo, then how, in any real sense, will that help address the virus? The virus definitely exists, it's not imagined or fake, so what would be gained, in real terms, simply by administering a placebo?
Marco.
AFAIK, and we have all experienced this, the Common Cold and the 'Flu are extremely difficult germs to deal with.
They mutate extremely fast so are a moving and hard to hit target.
They breed in crowded environments.
The Workplace, Trains and Pubs. You name it.
I am not a medical expert, but this Coronavirus is a bitch. Inter-species, so it's always going to lurk somewhere in the Animal Kingdom.
But, IMO, there is much more going on right now. Coronavirus may be the least of our problems.
Because if this is what many people think it is ie; Flu, then it will eventualy fizzle out as it always does year on year out, and they will say "look" the vaccine has worked!
I am not saying this is the case, but you have to wonder.
The Flu vaccine is at best 50% effective, and they have been studying that for many years, how have they managed to develope a vaccine for a brand new corona virus that is 90% effective in around 9 months, thats the big question everyone should be asking.
Because many times more resources than normal have been put into it?
Because if this is what many people think it is ie; Flu, then it will eventualy fizzle out as it always does year on year out, and they will say "look" the vaccine has worked!
I see where you're coming from.
However, it's *defo* not flu, as some friends of ours have had it (one in particular got it very bad and was hospitalised for a period with Covid Pneumonia). That was over 2 months ago, and she's still suffering now from the effects of 'Long Covid', with the associated 'brain fog' (can't retain memory of much for more than minutes) and has almost completely lost her sense of taste and smell - none of which she's ever had with flu.
So... Regardless of anything else, I'm convinced that this virus is quite different from flu.
The Flu vaccine is at best 50% effective, and they have been studying that for many years, how have they managed to develope a vaccine for a brand new corona virus that is 90% effective in around 9 months, thats the big question everyone should be asking.
Indeed - and IMO that's the more cogent point, and certainly something I've been questioning for a while. Quite frankly, it STNKS of an agenda (as yet to be revealed), and also why I don't consider it as being anywhere near safe, and indeed have warned off everyone healthy enough I know and care about from having it!
Marco.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 14:52
Don't forget, Flu kills between 10,000 and 30,000 people in this country alone each year, don't you think those figures would be enough to warrant the same resourses given to this ?
Because many times more resources than normal have been put into it?
Because many times more resources than normal have been put into it?
Yes, so they say, but should we simply accept that as Gospel? Especially with something so critical to our future well-being. I'd like to drill down much more into the details and see some proper evidence of that with my OWN eyes.
In any case, even if that were true, there's still no way of knowing what the potential side-effects of these new vaccines will be in six, twelve months or more - and THAT for me is the biggest concern, not their claimed efficacy in the short term - especially when come the spring, this virus will almost certainly have petered out.
You don't just inject something, relatively untried like this into you, without being as intensely critical as possible of how safe it really is, especially when you're still relatively young and healthy and, God willing otherwise, have many years ahead of you!
You only get ONE chance to make the right decision with these forthcoming vaccines. Get it wrong, and the potential consequences could be life-changing - and NOT in a good way!:nono:
Marco.
I think covid mutates more slowly so is easier to target(at moment) flu mutates very quickly
Don't forget, Flu kills between 10,000 and 30,000 people in this country alone each year, don't you think those figures would be enough to warrant the same resourses given to this ?
Indeed, and that's also a question I would like to get an answer to! For me, Covid-19 simply isn't deadly enough, for the vast majority of the world's population, to warrant all this 'hoo-hah' over it. And that's putting it mildly!!
Marco.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 15:00
And lets not forget, this is RNA they will be injecting into the population.
What ever is going on, and who ever is closest to the truth, at least its getting people interested enough to want to read up on the info that's out there from credible people and sources, and that can only be a good thing.
Yes, so they say, but should we simply accept that as Gospel? Especially with something so critical to our future well-being. I'd like to drill down much more into the details and see some proper evidence of that with my OWN eyes.
In any case, even if that were true, there's still no way of knowing what the potential side-effects will be in six, twelve months or more - and THAT for me is the biggest concern, not it's claimed effectiveness in the short term.
You don't just inject something, relatively untried like this into you, without being as intensely critical as possible of how safe it really is, especially when you're still relatively young and healthy and, God willing, have many years ahead of you!
Marco.
As a bookish man, I am aware of previous pandemics.
The 50% fatal and vile Bubonic Plague in 15C was far nastier than this current one.
The response was entirely wrong. People killed off the cats and dogs in London. Thought they were the cause.
This allowed the Rats and their fleas, who were the real culprits to breed and multiply.
There was an interesting Economic consequence. The Working man, who was suddenly in shortage, saw his Wages rise.
And we still say "Bless you" when somebody sneezes. A folk memory.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 15:04
:)
As a bookish man, I am aware of previous pandemics.
The 50% fatal and vile Bubonic Plague in 15C was far nastier than this current one.
The response was entirely wrong. People killed off the cats and dogs in London. Thought they were the cause.
This allowed the Rats and their fleas, who were the real culprits to breed and multiply.
There was an interesting Economic consequence. The Working man, who was suddenly in shortage, saw his Wages rise.
And we still say "Bless you" when somebody sneezes. A folk memory.
And lets not forget, this is RNA they will be injecting into the population.
What ever is going on, and who ever is closest to the truth, at least its getting people interested enough to want to read up on the info that's out there from credible people and sources, and that can only be a good thing.
What's RNA?:)
I totally agree with the rest. For me anyone who just blindly trusts the authorities (and scientists on their payroll) that these vaccines are safe is, at best, deeply misguided, and more realistically a fool.
Marco.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 15:33
https://www.rnasociety.org/what-is-rna
What's RNA?:)
I totally agree with the rest. For me anyone who just blindly trusts the authorities (and scientists on their payroll) that these vaccines are safe is, at best, deeply misguided, and more realistically a fool.
Marco.
So essentially the contents of these new vaccines alter your biological makeup/DNA?
Marco.
Someone will need to explain in then in simple (layman's) terms.
Marco.
Mark Lynas, a visiting fellow at Cornell University’s Alliance for Science group, debunked the idea that a DNA vaccine could genetically modify an organism. Lynas told Reuters that no vaccine can genetically modify human DNA.
“That’s just a myth, one often spread intentionally by anti-vaccination activists to deliberately generate confusion and mistrust,” he said. “Genetic modification would involve the deliberate insertion of foreign DNA into the nucleus of a human cell, and vaccines simply don’t do that. Vaccines work by training the immune system to recognize a pathogen when it attempts to infect the body - this is mostly done by the injection of viral antigens or weakened live viruses that stimulate an immune response through the production of antibodies.”
Lynas added: “The DNA [in DNA vaccines] does not integrate into the cell nucleus so this isn’t genetic modification - if the cells divide they will only include your natural DNA. But this approach is incredibly promising for COVID because it can be scaled up very quickly, and is very versatile - it is easy to synthetically produce DNA sequences that match the required bits of viral genetic code.”
Dr Paul McCray, Professor of Pediatrics, Microbiology, and Internal Medicine at the University of Iowa further explained to Reuters via email how the COVID-19 vaccines being developed would work:
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 15:49
This might help my point.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/two-extreme-long-shots-could-save-us-coronavirus/608539/
Someone will need to explain in then in simple (layman's) terms.
Marco.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 16:01
And then there's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fcjwrg/the_deception_of_virology_vaccines_why/
Its easy to see why there is so much miss-trust when you really go down the Rabbit hole!
Ok, I'll check those out later. In the meantime though, is there *definitely*, without question, RNA in the vaccines being proposed for rolling out soon? I need that confirming first (and I mean proven beyond all reasonable doubt), and to see evidence of such, not merely hearsay. before I look into things further.
Marco.
rna is not dangerous either.. its one of the building blocks tbh. im not really sure why youtube videos are so much more honest than scientific facts.
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 16:26
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.17.20176651v2
Ok, I'll check those out later. In the meantime though, is there *definitely*, without question, RNA in the vaccines being proposed for rolling out soon? I need that confirming first (and I mean proven beyond all reasonable doubt), and to see evidence of such, not merely hearsay. before I look into things further.
Marco.
RNA encodes the information to produce the antigen, which is a protein from a pathogen, that will stimulate the immune system. Inside the cells, the RNA is used to synthesize the antigen, which is exposed to the cell surface. Then, a subset of immune system cells recognizes the antigen and trigger an immune response .
RNA is what you inherit from your mother.
It's not the same thing as DNA.
I am pretty rubbish on Genetics. Along with Quantum Field Theory
But am interested,
mitochondrial DNA is inherited from mother only in contrast with nuclear DNA which inherited from both of parents.. There are two types of nucleic acids which are polymers found in all living cells. Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) is found mainly in the nucleus of the cell, while Ribonucleic Acid (RNA) is found mainly in the cytoplasm of the cell although it is usually synthesized in the nucleus.
DNA is inherited.
rna is not dangerous either.. its one of the building blocks tbh. im not really sure why youtube videos are so much more honest than scientific facts.
Who's posting YT videos? Certainly not Anthony. As for 'scientific facts', I guess you can choose which ones fit best with (or pacify) your belief system, in terms of the REAL truth behind exactly how safe these vaccines will be, not only now but in years to come!;)
Some of us plan on living for decades yet - hopefully in near perfect health, and simply won't compromise that in ANY way, which otherwise could've been avoided...
Marco.
RNA encodes the information to produce the antigen, which is a protein from a pathogen, that will stimulate the immune system. Inside the cells, the RNA is used to synthesize the antigen, which is exposed to the cell surface. Then, a subset of immune system cells recognizes the antigen and trigger an immune response .
Thanks for that. That crystallises things more for me:)
Basically though, the Point of Life is to *LIVE* it - and I intend on doing that for many years to come!!!
'Existing' simply isn't enough, and won't be entertained.
Marco
I didn't understand a word of that:
RNA encodes the information to produce the antigen, which is a protein from a pathogen, that will stimulate the immune system. Inside the cells, the RNA is used to synthesize the antigen, which is exposed to the cell surface. Then, a subset of immune system cells recognizes the antigen and trigger an immune response .
When the World disgusts me, I often wander off to the Mersenne forum. What is it? 1,2,3 5,7?
https://www.mersenneforum.org/index.php
These folks are seriously deranged. But smart as anything. And nice as you might meet.
I didn't understand a word of that:
When the World disgusts me, I often wander off to the Mersenne forum. What is it? 1,2,3 5,7?
https://www.mersenneforum.org/index.php
These folks are seriously deranged. But smart as anything. And nice as you might meet.
An antigen is any substance that causes your immune system to produce antibodies against it. This means your immune system does not recognize the substance, and is trying to fight it off. An antigen may be a substance from the environment, such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, or pollen
anthonyTD
14-11-2020, 18:21
Harvard Medical School Prof. Martin Kulldorff
Hospitalisations, Mortality, Excess Mortality are the key figures to go on, NOT daily test counts!
Kind of puts it into perspective... So being only 0.38% at risk of succumbing to the virus, and as healthy person otherwise, with a strong immune system, why would I risk having a vaccine that's arguably not been as thoroughly tested as would've been the case in different circumstances, plus that's not only well short of being totally effective, but potentially unsafe?
And there'll be thousands of others like me! As I've said many times before, HERD IMMUNITY, is the only *REAL* longterm solution to this virus, as indeed has been the case with countless others mankind has faced and dealt with before it.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
14-11-2020, 20:09
Kind of puts it into perspective... So being only 0.38% at risk of succumbing to the virus, and as healthy person otherwise, with a strong immune system, why would I risk having a vaccine that's arguably not been as thoroughly tested as would've been the case in different circumstances, plus that's not only well short of being totally effective, but potentially unsafe?
And there'll be thousands of others like me! As I've said many times before, HERD IMMUNITY, is the only *REAL* longterm solution to this virus, as indeed has been the case with countless others mankind has faced and dealt with before it.
Marco.
I predict there's a 0.38% chance that tomorrow ill pass without you saying you're not having the vaccine :ner: But that's ok, my young healthy daughter has also stated she won't have it, for similar reasons, though she says it's down to Pfizer having a thoroughly dodgy track record. So yes, you're definitely not alone :)
Sensible lass... Clearly, she doesn't get it from you!:ner::eyebrows:
Marco.
The Vinyl Adventure
14-11-2020, 20:25
Joe public won't get the vaccine until end of next year I am willing to bet on that.
The govt couldn't organize a sunday morning walk in the park let alone mass vaccine to the 65 million + who live in the UK.
Ignore the actual vaccine itself as the people who are TRULY RUNNING the world we live in today will manipulate the press to tell us all what they want us to be told, there are billions of pounds at stake here beside the billions already in people's bank accounts who have profited from covid19 already, so regardless of who is first with a vaccine is not really of any use to sensible people who REALLY know what is happening and wouldn't take any vaccine no matter who makes it.
Joe public won't get the vaccine until end of next year I am willing to bet on that.
Lol - there'll be no need for one by then, as the virus will have gone ta-ta bella long before that;)
I'm willing to bet that this shite will almost all be over by May, tops!
Marco.
RobbieGong
14-11-2020, 22:56
Lol - there'll be no need for one by then, as the virus will have gone ta-ta bella long before that;)
I'm willing to bet that this shite will almost all be over by May, tops!
Marco.
Sincerely hope you're right Marky boy AND without this 'vaccine' being made to be taken under stipulation / 'or else' downpression-oppression
If they try that, then the day of the people's revolution and civil war will dawn! :trust:
As Anthony says, the good thing is that more and more folks (especially influential ones) are showing distinct signs of unrest - and at the end of the day there are far more of us than there are of 'them';)
Marco.
RobbieGong
14-11-2020, 23:25
If they try that, then the day of the people's revolution and civil war will dawn! :trust:
As Anthony says, the good thing is that more and more folks (especially influential ones) are showing distinct signs of unrest - and at the end of the day there are far more of us than there are of 'them';)
Marco.
Amen !
Give thanks and hail the King of kings ! ;)
One and all need to know the time and dispensation and that we are in a spiritual battle, this is spiritual warfare, right here and now. Some are aware and awake, some are asleep, unfortunately, therefore easy pray for the devil and his hosts, rulers of darkness in this world, who operate in high place...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:14&version=KJV
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/11/14/arrests-made-at-anti-lockdown-protest-attended-by-piers-corbyn/
...and that's only a tiny tip of the iceberg, in terms of revolts, if the 'powers that be' start getting ideas above their station!
Marco.
Amen !
Give thanks and hail the King of kings ! ;)
One and all need to know the time and dispensation and that we are in a spiritual battle, this is spiritual warfare, right here and now. Some are aware and awake, some are asleep, unfortunately, therefore easy pray for the devil and his hosts, rulers of darkness in this world, who operate in high place...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:14&version=KJV
Crackingly funny stuff here. Mediocre performance here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c
The male choir look like the 1922 Committee in Handel's splendid effort.
But the girls attract my eye, as ever.
I see the Labour party is calling for legislation to stop anti-vaccination propaganda from being posted on the internet.
walpurgis
15-11-2020, 09:16
I see the Labour party is calling for legislation to stop anti-vaccination propaganda from being posted on the internet.
They'd have a job defining exactly what that might be. It's just Starmer making a noise to try and justify his existence. He hasn't done anything useful so far.
They'd have a job defining exactly what that might be. It's just Starmer making a noise to try and justify his existence. He hasn't done anything useful so far.
True. I don't agree with the anti-vaxxers but they should be able to state their case without being legislated against. This is one of the reasons I would never vote Labour.
Pigmy Pony
15-11-2020, 09:23
They'd have a job defining exactly what that might be. It's just Starmer making a noise to try and justify his existence. He hasn't done anything useful so far.
There's nothing for him to do, his one job is to pick holes in the opposition.
walpurgis
15-11-2020, 09:41
There's nothing for him to do, his one job is to pick holes in the opposition.
He could try having some original thoughts and tabling useful proposals, instead of just hacking away at everything the government attempts (after the event of course). This is really not a time for political 'sides', we are to all intents and purposes on a war footing against the Coronavirus common enemy!
Pigmy Pony
15-11-2020, 10:21
True. I don't agree with the anti-vaxxers but they should be able to state their case without being legislated against. This is one of the reasons I would never vote Labour.
I agree, suppressing "free speech" is not a good thing, but when you get silly sods* suggesting that the vaccines will carry tracking microchips (just something I heard somewhere), a line has to be drawn. As some folk will believe that crap and have their opinion skewed.
*Not really silly sods, I think they know exactly what they're doing.
I agree, suppressing "free speech" is not a good thing, but when you get silly sods* suggesting that the vaccines will carry tracking microchips (just something I heard somewhere), a line has to be drawn. As some folk will believe that crap and have their opinion skewed.
*Not really silly sods, I think they know exactly what they're doing.
I have no idea what they think they are doing, I don't think using the law to stop them is a good idea though.
anthonyTD
15-11-2020, 10:56
The English biologist Thomas Huxley once said, "Science is nothing but trained and organised common sense."
Science has supposedly been at the centre of UK and world government policy making over the past few months of the pandemic, and yet common sense has been in short supply.
Dr Martin Kulldorff, is a Swedish statistician, epidemiologist and Professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and has worked closely with some of the world’s leading scientific and medical institutions.
Alongside Dr Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology in the Department of Zoology at Oxford University and Dr Jay Bhattacharya, Professor of Medicine and Economics at Stanford University, they have published The Great Barrington Declaration.
The Declaration comprises a much debated and considered petition that has called on those in the corridors of power to reformulate their response to the pandemic and put an end to the blanket lockdowns, that are crippling the economy, destroying business and damaging the physical and mental wellbeing of our citizens.
They call for "Focussed Protection" and suggest that young adults and children, the least affected by the virus, be allowed to continue their lives without restriction. This includes ensuring that the elderly and most vulnerable members of our society are shielded from exposure and protected from a virus risk, representing a thousandfold difference between the oldest and youngest in terms of impact.
There is genuine concern about the future. Of course, we have to deal in the here and now, but, Covid-19 is not going anywhere, it will be with us indefinitely. Which is why many scientists believe that overtly safeguarding ourselves from the virus will only serve to delay the inevitable.
How "Focussed Protection" Can Prevent Lockdowns & Get The World Back To Work
It is far from a radical train of thought. It comes from a group of people who clearly care deeply about society and its citizens. They rely on logic and evidence and a heavy dose of pragmatism.
Listening to experts whose very livelihoods centre around exactly what we are dealing with, is paramount to our prosperity moving forward. The world is not just facing a physical threat, we are also on the brink of a global mental health crisis that could have dire consequences in the years that follow. The collateral damage requires equal thought and attention.
There is a need, now more than at any time during this pandemic, to look at the data. To consider our options, and use the knowledge we have gained throughout these past months to formulate a logical roadmap, that can lead us some way back to normality. Dr Kulldorff is an expert in the truest sense of the word, and it’s a pleasure to spend some time exploring his views.
True. I don't agree with the anti-vaxxers but they should be able to state their case without being legislated against.
Indeed; there's a difference though between 'anti-vaxxers', with a history of behaving as such [especially those with malicious intent], and folks simply expressing their legitimate concerns over the genuine safety, both in the short and long term, of the forthcoming and largely untried vaccines for Covid-19.
Both should be allowed in the interests of free speech in a supposedly democratic and free society, thus left uncensored. There's a danger now of creating a culture of censoring everything that either challenges the accepted norm or what the authorities consider as 'correct' - and that's a very dangerous and slippery slope to go down.
Quite simply, any decisions made by our authorities should always be open to close scrutiny/questioning/challenging or criticism, and if necessary rejection by the general population, as if not, that's the fastest way towards fascism and the creation of a police state... So I would always fight for the right to such free speech, and not simply the blind obeying of what any 'experts' or authorities say or want us to do.
That's the only way of retaining both a free society, and most importantly a free mind!:)
Marco.
Anthony, what's the source of your excellent post? Link please?:)
I agree there with every word. One of the biggest problems just now is that the government are being led (or let's hope it's that and not something more sinister) by the wrong science, thus wrong advice, and which is why they've made such a pig's ear of this whole thing!:doh::rolleyes:
Even more importantly, the general population, not just in this country, but that of the whole world, unless making the required effort themselves to seek out alternative scientific views, in terms of how this pandemic should be handled instead, are being deprived of that information and simply fed 'our way or the highway' by the governments and media.
Instead, there should be much more discussion and debate of these matters in the public domain and mainstream TV and media, so that people can make the most INFORMED choices, for THEM and the RIGHT decisions for THEM, many of which now are massively important for their lives and futures, rather than simply accepting what is deemed as 'best' by the government.
However, with the help of the Internet and social media 'alternative truths' are getting out now and helping to dilute the brainwash, along with more information, both scientific and political, other than what the authorities want us to know, which can only be a good thing - and AoS will certainly be doing its part to facilitate that and ensure that everyone reading this thread, on Google searches or whatever, are kept as well informed as possible on matters relating to the handling of this pandemic.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER - and LONG LIVE POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!:more::more:
Marco.
Indeed; there's a difference though between 'anti-vaxxers', with a history of behaving as such [especially those with malicious intent], and folks simply expressing their legitimate concerns over the genuine safety, both in the short and long term, of the forthcoming and largely untried vaccines for Covid-19.
.
Yes there is that's why i specifically referred to 'Anti-Vaxxers' and not just those who are understandably not 100% about taking a very rapidly developed vaccine for Covid.
In media, and online, people including companies, govts and joe public need to be careful as to what the promote/ attack tho as it can cost lives. One of the reasons folk want to tighten up rules on interweb statements like the vaccine has chips in it or its poison etc.. at same time an untried(in general population) vaccine also shouldnt just be promoted as a cure all either.
Pigmy Pony
15-11-2020, 12:49
The English biologist Thomas Huxley once said, "Science is nothing but trained and organised common sense."
Science has supposedly been at the centre of UK and world government policy making over the past few months of the pandemic, and yet common sense has been in short supply.
Dr Martin Kulldorff, is a Swedish statistician, epidemiologist and Professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and has worked closely with some of the world’s leading scientific and medical institutions.
Alongside Dr Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology in the Department of Zoology at Oxford University and Dr Jay Bhattacharya, Professor of Medicine and Economics at Stanford University, they have published The Great Barrington Declaration.
The Declaration comprises a much debated and considered petition that has called on those in the corridors of power to reformulate their response to the pandemic and put an end to the blanket lockdowns, that are crippling the economy, destroying business and damaging the physical and mental wellbeing of our citizens.
They call for "Focussed Protection" and suggest that young adults and children, the least affected by the virus, be allowed to continue their lives without restriction. This includes ensuring that the elderly and most vulnerable members of our society are shielded from exposure and protected from a virus risk, representing a thousandfold difference between the oldest and youngest in terms of impact.
There is genuine concern about the future. Of course, we have to deal in the here and now, but, Covid-19 is not going anywhere, it will be with us indefinitely. Which is why many scientists believe that overtly safeguarding ourselves from the virus will only serve to delay the inevitable.
How "Focussed Protection" Can Prevent Lockdowns & Get The World Back To Work
It is far from a radical train of thought. It comes from a group of people who clearly care deeply about society and its citizens. They rely on logic and evidence and a heavy dose of pragmatism.
Listening to experts whose very livelihoods centre around exactly what we are dealing with, is paramount to our prosperity moving forward. The world is not just facing a physical threat, we are also on the brink of a global mental health crisis that could have dire consequences in the years that follow. The collateral damage requires equal thought and attention.
There is a need, now more than at any time during this pandemic, to look at the data. To consider our options, and use the knowledge we have gained throughout these past months to formulate a logical roadmap, that can lead us some way back to normality. Dr Kulldorff is an expert in the truest sense of the word, and it’s a pleasure to spend some time exploring his views.
Great post Anthony, well reasoned. Pretty much what Marco has been saying, but without the "Global elite are using it to control us" and "It's all BJ-boy's fault" rhetoric :sofa:
Hopefully the science can minimise the impact of the elderly and sick coming into contact with younger people, through better and more easily accessed testing with more immediate diagnoses. Because actually isolating our elderly would also be disastrous.
Very interesting discussion.
The fact is most people are useless on Science.
I live and breathe it myself, but most people wouldn't know a Volt from a hole in the ground.
Our response to this germ is entirely disproportionate to its danger.
It's a smokescreen for other more nefarious activities.
Our response to this germ is entirely disproportionate to its danger.
It's a smokescreen for other more nefarious activities.
Nail>head! :exactly:
...and which have yet to be revealed.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
15-11-2020, 13:33
In media, and online, people including companies, govts and joe public need to be careful as to what the promote/ attack tho as it can cost lives. One of the reasons folk want to tighten up rules on interweb statements like the vaccine has chips in it or its poison etc.. at same time an untried(in general population) vaccine also shouldnt just be promoted as a cure all either.
Yes, and I'm not advocating censorship as such, but people posting potentially harmful (mis)information should be accountable, and not be able to hide behind their laptops/mobile phones.
Sure, but give us an example of what you consider as "misinformation"? You have to be careful that such doesn't simply equate to anything that challenges the authorities/accepted norm, or deviates from 'the party line'....
I'd contend that this Tory government have been as guilty of perpetrating the spreading of misinformation (disinformation in particular), in relation to their (mis)handling of this whole pandemic, just as much as the people you're talking about!;)
Marco.
Last US President I really respected was Ike Eisenhower.
Saved our bacon in WW2. A terrific General.
Tricky Dicky was a crook.
The Kennedy's came from Chicago organised crime. Joe Kennedy made his Millions from running Hooch.
Barack Obama is a decent man. Bill Clinton had entertainment value. Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford just did the best they could.
I was once Gerald Ford's minder on the Golf course. A fun day.
Thing is, you don't get the top job unless the Mafia hold something over your head. Keeps you under control, you follow? :)
Stryder5
15-11-2020, 14:01
Yes, and I'm not advocating censorship as such, but people posting potentially harmful (mis)information should be accountable, and not be able to hide behind their laptops/mobile phones.
As should the Government and its advisors!
Gary
:clapclapclap:
Along with some of them sacked for gross incompetence (and possibly also crimes against humanity)!!
Marco.
Censorship is always bad, IMO.
A can of worms.
We've got to wonder what has gone on at 10 Downing Street recently.
Dominic Cummings shuffling into the distance with his cardboard box.
Is that good or bad? I think it's good. But time will tell.
Yes I also found those revelations interesting, and like you wasn't sure if it was a good or bad thing...
Marco.
RobbieGong
15-11-2020, 15:36
The English biologist Thomas Huxley once said, "Science is nothing but trained and organised common sense."
Science has supposedly been at the centre of UK and world government policy making over the past few months of the pandemic, and yet common sense has been in short supply.
Dr Martin Kulldorff, is a Swedish statistician, epidemiologist and Professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and has worked closely with some of the world’s leading scientific and medical institutions.
Alongside Dr Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology in the Department of Zoology at Oxford University and Dr Jay Bhattacharya, Professor of Medicine and Economics at Stanford University, they have published The Great Barrington Declaration.
The Declaration comprises a much debated and considered petition that has called on those in the corridors of power to reformulate their response to the pandemic and put an end to the blanket lockdowns, that are crippling the economy, destroying business and damaging the physical and mental wellbeing of our citizens.
They call for "Focussed Protection" and suggest that young adults and children, the least affected by the virus, be allowed to continue their lives without restriction. This includes ensuring that the elderly and most vulnerable members of our society are shielded from exposure and protected from a virus risk, representing a thousandfold difference between the oldest and youngest in terms of impact.
There is genuine concern about the future. Of course, we have to deal in the here and now, but, Covid-19 is not going anywhere, it will be with us indefinitely. Which is why many scientists believe that overtly safeguarding ourselves from the virus will only serve to delay the inevitable.
How "Focussed Protection" Can Prevent Lockdowns & Get The World Back To Work
It is far from a radical train of thought. It comes from a group of people who clearly care deeply about society and its citizens. They rely on logic and evidence and a heavy dose of pragmatism.
Listening to experts whose very livelihoods centre around exactly what we are dealing with, is paramount to our prosperity moving forward. The world is not just facing a physical threat, we are also on the brink of a global mental health crisis that could have dire consequences in the years that follow. The collateral damage requires equal thought and attention.
There is a need, now more than at any time during this pandemic, to look at the data. To consider our options, and use the knowledge we have gained throughout these past months to formulate a logical roadmap, that can lead us some way back to normality. Dr Kulldorff is an expert in the truest sense of the word, and it’s a pleasure to spend some time exploring his views.
Thanks Anthony
Yes I also found those revelations interesting, and like you wasn't sure if it was a good or bad thing...
Marco.
Really concerns me how many of the "movers and shakers" have never been elected (although I suppose it could be looked on as payment for "favours" received :bonk:)
Pigmy Pony
15-11-2020, 16:46
Sure, but give us an example of what you consider as "misinformation"? You have to be careful that such doesn't simply equate to anything that challenges the authorities/accepted norm, or deviates from 'the party line'....
I'd contend that this Tory government have been as guilty of perpetrating the spreading of misinformation (disinformation in particular), in relation to their (mis)handling of this whole pandemic, just as much as the people you're talking about!;)
Marco.
Yeah, that's not going to happen as I've no idea how to post links, that's assuming I read this stuff online, which I don't. Much of what I hear is anecdotal, coming from friends/colleagues/family, and I never question where they got it from, I just choose to believe it or not. (I imagine most of it comes from social media, which I don't entertain, ever. Tinternet for me is 99% AoS/Ebay).
In the same way I never asked you for evidence supporting your assertion that the Royal Family are paedophiles. Apart from Princess Anne, who probably enjoys a big horse, I'm sure they are largely no worse than Joe Public. One day I may see some evidence to prove me wrong, but until then...
I won't have a bad word said about Princess Anne.
Tough as boots, hard as nails. Good in a scrap. Has never put a foot wrong.
My Brother is on nodding terms with Her.
This pandemic, and apparent coup in high government goes deeper.
In the same way I never asked you for evidence supporting your assertion that the Royal Family are paedophiles. Apart from Princess Anne, who probably enjoys a big horse, I'm sure they are largely no worse than Joe Public. One day I may see some evidence to prove me wrong, but until then...
Ha - you wouldn't want me linking you to the sources of THAT info, trust me!:eek:
Unless you're familiar with the workings of the dark web...;)
Marco.
P.S They tell me that Anne's rather partial to a middle leg of a Clydesdale.
I just looked up Clydesdale.
I am quite Horsey myself, but doesn't sound seriously likely to myself. :scratch:
ha - you wouldn't want me linking you to the sources of that info, trust me!:eek:
Unless you're familiar with the workings of the dark web...;)
marco.
P.s they tell me that anne's rather partial to a middle leg of a clydesdale.
that was princess margaret
I see... Were you at THAT party too, then?:D
Marco.
I see... Were you at THAT party too, then?:D
Marco.She was fascinated with them.. Big mens uns that is.. And drink of course.. [emoji23]. Otherwise she was a lovely creature til the drink got to her. The life too tbh.
Pigmy Pony
15-11-2020, 18:02
I just looked up Clydesdale.
I am quite Horsey myself
Well that's something to be proud of, so why the long face :)
Looking up a Clydedale is an interesting hobby [emoji23]
Pigmy Pony
15-11-2020, 18:13
Looking up a Clydedale is an interesting hobby [emoji23]
Till you get caught, then you're in a whole world of shit
I love me old horse racing. :)
Must have been National Velvet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-rS6TZquas) that set me off.
Becher's Brook and the Canal Turn in the Grand National just got me terribly excited.
Mayhem.
Elizabeth Taylor was not an ugly filly either.
She was fascinated with them.. Big mens uns that is.. And drink of course.. [emoji23]. Otherwise she was a lovely creature til the drink got to her. The life too tbh.
I see. Bit of a raver, was she? Way before my time, lol.
Marco.
I see. Bit of a raver, was she? Way before my time, lol.
Marco.
alas for the queen, yes.. very much so.
I love me old horse racing. :)
Must have been National Velvet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-rS6TZquas) that set me off.
Becher's Brook and the Canal Turn in the Grand National just got me terribly excited.
Mayhem.
Elizabeth Taylor was not an ugly filly either.
that was a long time before you were thought about :) yes liz was a doll..if a troublesome one
Liz Taylor was the modern equivalent of Helen of Troy. Only Ava Gardner attracted me more.
But we are talking Princess Margaret here?
Wallowed in bitterness at not getting the top job.
Never met Her myself.
But She was a looker IMO.
Liz Taylor was the modern equivalent of Helen of Troy.
But we are talking Princess Margaret here?
Wallowed in bitterness at not getting the top job.
Never met Her myself.
But She was a looker IMO.
no she never wanted the top job and always knew she would be unlikely to get it. She just hated the life. Have to say I dont blame her. She was stymied for her desire to marry Peter T, by queen and Philip. Fell into a loveless marriage and then went off the rails. Townsend was a divorcee so not suitable to marry a royal.. Such attitudes were rapidly becoming outdated but the royals etc were living in the past as usual... all very sad.
Then she met Bungalow Bill (Roddy) :eek:
edit: or was it John Binden?
Very interesting, Grant.
I wouldn't and don't ever judge a person till I've walked a mile in their shoes.
Princess Margaret comes out as a bit of a tragic figure. :rolleyes:
Mikeandvan
15-11-2020, 20:49
I read in todays Observer that if Labour get their way then promotion of anti vaxxing views will be prosecuted, watch out Marco!
Haha - bring it on! :D
Marco.
I read in todays Observer that if Labour get their way then promotion of anti vaxxing views will be prosecuted, watch out Marco!
I didn't know the Observer was still around:
https://www.theguardian.com/observer
The Sunday version of what we used to call The Gniadraun. Or the Gruniad.
Private Eye Joke being the Guardian couldn't spell for Shit.
Maybe Private Eye is what we should be reading. Funny too.
dave2010
15-11-2020, 22:09
I read in todays Observer that if Labour get their way then promotion of anti vaxxing views will be prosecuted, watch out Marco!I agree with Marco that there shouldn't be mandatory vaccinations, but there should be a decent presentation of what facts are available, and if things look good, then most people should be encouraged to have the jab. That's not the same thing as being anti-vax though, is it?
dave2010
15-11-2020, 22:15
johnb over at the for3 site has produced some great maps with useful presentation of the current data.
These maps can be very helpful in suggesting which places you can't go to in the UK right now, which sadly is rather a lot of places.
See https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZDkxMTQwYTAtZGI2MS00MjI2LWJkYzEtNDQ 3ZjM0ZDczZTE0IiwidCI6IjQyMTI4YmIwLTJjZjgtNDY3MC1iN zRhLWZhNDlmNGJkMDQzZSJ9 and keep an eye open for updates.
These are at this URL and subsequent ones - http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?21399-Coronavirus&p=814379#post814379
I agree with Marco that there shouldn't be mandatory vaccinations, but there should be a decent presentation of what facts are available, and if things look good, then most people should be encouraged to have the jab. That's not the same thing as being anti-vax though, is it?
Exactly, Dave. You can be critical of something without being 'anti' it. There's a rather BIG difference! Or must all dissenting voices simply be silenced? Sounds rather like South Korea to me...
Plus, if the government and scientists concerned were a bit more honest/upfront and more willing to reassure the population that they were safe, backed up by convincing and credible evidence, then there would be much less suspicion and distrust surrounding the existence of these vaccines, and far less ammo for the rabid 'anti vaxxers' to use to further their agenda!
They simply can't just expect everyone to 'worry not and trust the experts', and obey the government like subservient robots, with something so *potentially* risky as this. I've never taken what I consider as unnecessary or dangerous risks with my health before (one of the reasons why I'm healthy now and haven't been near a doctor in YEARS), and don't intend changing that habit of a lifetime now - for ANY fucker!:nono:
"Don't worry, these largely untried and brand new vaccines are 90% effective and completely safe, trust us". Aye, that'll be fucking coco... Nah, you're ok. I'll trust the effectiveness of my immune system instead, and which has worked just fine for the last 55 years thanks, without needing 'chemically assisted':thumbsup:
Marco.
I just don't take anything I read in a left-wing rag too seriously.
Labour might be in Office, but the Conservatives are always in power.
True. :)
RobbieGong
15-11-2020, 23:25
Boris is self isolating apparently, after coming into contact with an MP with COVID. He hasn't any symptoms himself they say
I thought Boris has had the germ already?
I think he has just gone into hiding
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54954698
Taking a break. :lol:
RobbieGong
15-11-2020, 23:59
Ha ha! I know, any excuse to be absent while on duty lol, er! Sorry just realised he's always pretty much that anyway :D
It's an interesting development:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54954698
But makes no medical sense at all.
The man has had the germ, so ought to be immune.
I smell the 1922 Committee behind this. The real powerhouse of the Tory Party. Bloody ruthless lot.
I wonder how Dominic Cummings being sent up the road, Boris isolated, and critical and urgent talks with the EU all ties up?
Something going on. Boris is now expendable.
Ha ha! I know, any excuse to be absent while on duty lol, er! Sorry just realised he's always pretty much that anyway...
Yes, and according to Carrie, he's as good as 'absent while on duty' in the bedroom, too!:D
Marco.
I've actually read a lot of Boris' books.
He is an excellent writer on History. Churchill, London and all that.
His political output is slightly dull. I think he covered the EU for the Telegraph but it sent me into a slumber.
We must just watch with interest. The dismissal of Chancellor Sajid Javid surprised me. Is Rishi Sunak going to get the top job?
I've actually read a lot of Boris' books.
He is an excellent writer on History. Churchill, London and all that.
Makes sense, because that's all he cares about! A typically bigoted 'little Englander'. I'll prick up my ears if I see him writing anything positive about Scotland;)
Marco.
I used to work in Anchor Terrace in Southwark, London.
Doctor Johnson's famous dictionary was on display. He lived there.
I used to read it in idle moments.
OATS. A food that is fed to horses in England, but is a staple in Scotland.
Funny bugger. :lol:
Sorry, but a good joke is a good joke.
Heh-heh, and since you've mentioned Scotland...
https://youtu.be/_mw2CwtPvnM
And:
https://youtu.be/_mdRA2ZE9g0
:D
Marco.
That was flippin' hilarious Marco.
I don't mind Nicola Sturgeon. She gets more credit than most in our current times.
Indeed, and last but not least....
https://youtu.be/xjb8bNczKT0
Marco.
No more, Marco.
My sides are starting to hurt.
I have met the odd wee Scottish lassie. They scare the hell out of me. :lol:
anthonyTD
16-11-2020, 10:23
:eek::lol: cracked me up that one! :D
Indeed, and last but not least....
https://youtu.be/xjb8bNczKT0
Marco.
It's an interesting development:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54954698
But makes no medical sense at all.
The man has had the germ, so ought to be immune.
........
"If you get symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19) again, you must self-isolate immediately and get a test.
The symptoms are a high temperature, a new, continuous cough or a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste.
You can get a test to check if you have coronavirus on GOV.UK.
You should also self-isolate again if:
someone you live with gets symptoms
someone in your support bubble gets symptoms and you were in close contact with them since their symptoms started or during the 48 hours before they started
The person with symptoms should get a test."
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/what-to-do-if-you-get-symptoms-again/
looks like Covid 19 varies/has "evolved" - or that surviving an infection doesn't guarantee immunity. Nasty bloody virus.
another vaccine is asking to be opened up too.. it, they say has 95% success in tests.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54902908
Is that 95% success, in terms of paralysing the recipient?;)
Marco.
Is that 95% success, in terms of paralysing the recipient?;)
Marco.
is that a sneer i see?:rolleyes:
Lol - wot, moi? I can't get enough of needles, me...:D
And the BBC are the bastions of honesty and impartiality, yes sireeeeeeeee:dance:
Marco.
Stryder5
16-11-2020, 14:59
Lol - wot, moi? I can't get enough of needles, me...:D
And the BBC are the bastions of honesty and impartiality, yes sireeeeeeeee:dance:
Marco.
Bastions......nearly right :oops:
Gary
I bought Private Eye today
https://www.private-eye.co.uk/current-issue
They are having a whale of a time with the Germ.
Cartoon with sign saying "Downing Street Recycling."
Underneath are two bins.
One is labelled "Rubbish."
The second one is labelled "Complete Rubbish"
New issue out tomorrow.
Pigmy Pony
16-11-2020, 18:49
I predict there's a 0.38% chance that tomorrow will pass without you saying you're not having the vaccine :ner:
Close but no cigar :ner:
So were you up another ladder again today?:ner:
Btw, did I mention I wasn't taking the vaccine?
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
16-11-2020, 19:16
So were you up another ladder again today?:ner:
Btw, did I mention I wasn't taking the vaccine?
Marco.
I was up ladders today, yes sir, 3 bedroom windows :) I'm probably going to regret asking this, but how long is this bloody vaccine supposed to keep us immune, when Boris is already self-isolating just 6 months after getting the Covid?
I believe it keeps you immune long enough for the tracking chip to upload the mapping software.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
16-11-2020, 20:14
I believe it keeps you immune long enough for the tracking chip to upload the mapping software.
Marco.
I thought my mobile phone would tell them where I am. Some folk are never satisfied :(
Stryder5
16-11-2020, 21:13
Thanks to System 7 for the heads up.
Interesting how our money’s being spent on Private Heathcare rather than saving the NHS!
Extract from Private Eye.
In total, after further payments to Care UK, Bupa Cromwell, Nuffield Health and Aspen Healthcare, sums handed to private hospital operators in the first week of the Covid contract came to £98m. The agreement, under which most of the private hospitals were little called upon but paid anyway, runs to the end of December for most firms, which have also been able to perform more of their core private work since the summer.
The numbers suggest the annual subsidy to companies is running into a few billion pounds a year – enough to have provided the NHS capacity now having to be bought in so expensively. NHS England refused to comment on the figures. Still, as all bills are checked by erstwhile Carillion auditor KPMG, what could go wrong?
Meanwhile, with non-Covid procedures backing up, in August NHS England put out a £10bn contract tender notice for the same private operators to bid for more NHS work. Thanks to its rolling taxpayer bail-out, long Covid has a healthy prognosis for Britain’s private hospital companies.
Mikeandvan
17-11-2020, 00:27
I didn't know the Observer was still around:
https://www.theguardian.com/observer
The Sunday version of what we used to call The Gniadraun. Or the Gruniad.
Private Eye Joke being the Guardian couldn't spell for Shit.
Maybe Private Eye is what we should be reading. Funny too.
I read it on Sundays for a laugh, most of its journos just whinge about what new micro aggressions they've discovered this week.
Mikeandvan
17-11-2020, 00:34
I agree with Marco that there shouldn't be mandatory vaccinations, but there should be a decent presentation of what facts are available, and if things look good, then most people should be encouraged to have the jab. That's not the same thing as being anti-vax though, is it?
True, but Labour might not see it like that, and much censorship on social media now is done by bots, so comments even just questioning Covid vaccinations could get deleted.
We'll have to wait and see if we fancy our chances with these jabs. The one made from a modified monkey germ sounds a bit iffy to me.
https://www.private-eye.co.uk/current-issue just had me splitting my sides. Remember that strange bribe to cram into eateries and catch Covid in August? I wasn't touching it with a bargepole.
New Amended Slogans:
"Eat out to peg out."
:lol:
walpurgis
17-11-2020, 07:17
micro aggressions
What the ferk is one of them then? Not a term I'm familiar with.
What the ferk is one of them then? Not a term I'm familiar with.
You need brainwashing - sorry I mean 'training' then. It's okay, a lot of companies have jumped on the bandwagon to supply it - https://www.traliant.com/microaggressions-in-the-workplace/
walpurgis
17-11-2020, 08:14
You need brainwashing - sorry I mean 'training' then. It's okay, a lot of companies have jumped on the bandwagon to supply it - https://www.traliant.com/microaggressions-in-the-workplace/
Ah. More bollocks from the 'PC mob' then. (I expect they'll make it an offence to call them that eventually :rolleyes:)
Now then Geoff, you know the best way to get rid of racism is to encourage people to obsess about what 'race' they are to the point where it completely defines them. (see also: sexism/sexuality).
It makes perfect sense!
walpurgis
17-11-2020, 08:51
You wait and see. They (whoever 'they' may turn out to be) will make it illegal to even allude to or discuss anything non-PC, let alone expect to get away with saying anything non-PC. The Thought Police are watching!
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 09:00
:doh:
Just when you think things couldnt get any more twisted!
You wait and see. They (whoever 'they' may turn out to be) will make it illegal to even allude to or discuss anything non-PC, let alone expect to get away with saying anything non-PC. The Thought Police are watching!
the whole racism/sexism/religionism thing has gone too far and it now, as was pointed out, makes people more aware of the racism/sexism/religionism thing.
What the complainers need to realise is that the above are normal, and every single person does it to a point, even if its slightly subconsciously. It is impossible not to. Overblowing it will just cause it to eventually get worse. Like bringing up children, if you dont make too much fuss over little johnnies bed wetting it will pass... shout at him and he will never stop.
That is not to say i dont abhore serious racism/sexism/religionism... and that has to stop, but educating people as to its harmfulness is the way to reduce it
You need brainwashing - sorry I mean 'training' then. It's okay, a lot of companies have jumped on the bandwagon to supply it - https://www.traliant.com/microaggressions-in-the-workplace/
Only relevant I guess if you suffer from Snowflake Syndrome.
Marco.
walpurgis
17-11-2020, 09:39
All indiscretions will be punished. The 'Wokes' are waiting to pounce and will 'Cancel' offenders.
Don't think I'm exaggerating or joking, there's a whole aggressive movement out there wanting to wreak their wrath on people who thought they were acting innocently or harmlessly. All for political gain of course, students and far left in the thick of it naturally..
If you don't know what I'm getting at, do a little Googling. You'll see.
I know... They all need toughed up and given a damn good slap!
Marco.
walpurgis
17-11-2020, 09:57
I know... They all need toughed up and given a damn good slap!
Marco.
I'm sure they'd benefit from the Marco touch. I'll follow behind and deliver the 'coup de grace' to survivors. :lol:
dave2010
17-11-2020, 10:03
I believe it keeps you immune long enough for the tracking chip to upload the mapping software.
Marco.But that only works if they know where "you" are. Seems that a lot of the published data has been using the wrong addresses for quite a large subgroup of the population - in particular students. Someone has at last realised that many of them are not in little out of the way villages, or towns - where they were registered for their local GPS, but are now generally living in much larger cities, at least for the duration.
I was joking, Dave (hopefully)!;)
Marco.
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 10:12
Is that 95% success, in terms of paralysing the recipient?;)
Marco.
No...only 5%..I hope, if you contract coranvirus, that when you reach a delirious stage and they inject you with the vaccine, because someone caring for you, makes a decision that you need it... that it saves your life....;)
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 10:19
the whole racism/sexism/religionism thing has gone too far and it now, as was pointed out, makes people more aware of the racism/sexism/religionism thing.
What the complainers need to realise is that the above are normal, and every single person does it to a point, even if its slightly subconsciously. It is impossible not to. Overblowing it will just cause it to eventually get worse. Like bringing up children, if you dont make too much fuss over little johnnies bed wetting it will pass... shout at him and he will never stop.
That is not to say i dont abhore serious racism/sexism/religionism... and that has to stop, but educating people as to its harmfulness is the way to reduce it
the whole racism/sexism/religionism thing has gone too far and it now, as was pointed out, makes people more aware of the racism/sexism/religionism thing.
The whole racism/sexism/religionism thing has gone too far and it now, as was pointed out, makes people extremely more racist, sexist, and religious....FIXED...
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 10:24
Anyway;
Apparently no need for the vaccine now, Cardiff university "has" confirmed according to the news reports this morning that the virus can be totaly eliminted using mouth wash!
Check it out, some would say they already knew that alcohol was the answer all along! :D
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/mouthwash-can-eradicate-coronavirus-within-4707597
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 10:29
another vaccine is asking to be opened up too.. it, they say has 95% success in tests.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54902908
I sincerely hope it is rolled out sooner than later and also becomes mandatory, the sooner everyone is vaccinated, the sooner life will return to normal...
Ha - get it right up ye!:ner:;)
And btw, there's no chance of life totally returning to normal anytime soon, even with a 'vaccine'.
Marco.
Anyway;
Apparently no need for the vaccine now, Cardiff university "has" confirmed according to the news reports this morning that the virus can be totaly eliminted using mouth wash!
Check it out, some would say they already knew that alcohol was the answer all along! :D
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/mouthwash-can-eradicate-coronavirus-within-4707597
Ive been treating my self to best whisky as a covid trial for 9 months... seems to work well;)
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 10:32
You think ?
I sincerely hope it is rolled out sooner than later and also becomes mandatory, the sooner everyone is vaccinated, the sooner life will return to normal...
Ive been treating my self to best whisky as a covid trial for 9 months... seems to work well;)
Aye, I was waiting for that... Just get puggled - that's always been the answer!:D
Marco.
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 10:33
Smart man! :D
Ive been treating my self to best whisky as a covid trial for 9 months... seems to work well;)
Beobloke
17-11-2020, 10:34
Amen !
Give thanks and hail the King of kings ! ;)
One and all need to know the time and dispensation and that we are in a spiritual battle, this is spiritual warfare, right here and now. Some are aware and awake, some are asleep, unfortunately, therefore easy pray for the devil and his hosts, rulers of darkness in this world, who operate in high place...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:14&version=KJV
Oh good grief...
The best thing about the bible is that it is so full of contradictory twaddle that you can make it fit any argument you like.
So, make sure you heed the governments advice about a vaccine:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+1%3A22&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+5%3A19&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A14&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+119%3A44&version=KJV
How many more would you like? ;)
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 10:35
I thought Boris has had the germ already?
I think he has just gone into hiding
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54954698
Taking a break. :lol:
He has...but you can get it again...
Trump did it too, went into hiding and made a miraculous recovery within a few days...as did some of his staff..
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 10:38
Probably down to good mouth hygiene!!!
He has...but you can get it again...
Trump did it too, went into hiding and made a miraculous recovery within a few days...as did some of his staff..
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 10:39
Oh good grief...
The best thing about the bible is that it is so full of contradictory twaddle that you can make it fit any argument you like.
So, make sure you heed the governments advice about a vaccine:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+1%3A22&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+5%3A19&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A14&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+119%3A44&version=KJV
How many more would you like? ;)
The bible is an excellent work of fiction, to try and make you fearful.
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 10:42
You think ?
I do..
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 10:42
A bit like world governments at the moment then ?
The bible is an excellent work of fiction, to try and make you fearful.
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