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Pigmy Pony
20-10-2020, 18:07
Is that why you're allowed out for a drink provided it comes with a sit down meal? Line your stomach so you're less likely to get pissed and be a knob?
We rarely go to pubs just to drink anyway, so it suits us! Quality pub grub in a convivial setting, in good company and with pleasant and friendly staff (no riff-raff), is always the main attraction, as well as quality local real ales, should such be on offer...
BUT - the food always comes first!:)
Marco.
anthonyTD
21-10-2020, 09:13
I think that's the reasoning behind it, and those more likely to want to go to these type of places are as you say; less likely to be falling all over each other after downing 5 pints on an empty stomach! :doh:
Is that why you're allowed out for a drink provided it comes with a sit down meal? Line your stomach so you're less likely to get pissed and be a knob?
....then spewing their ring up later, and in the morning waking up with a huge hangover, and feeling like shit, supposedly all in the name of 'enjoying yourself'!:rolleyes:
I've never understood that mentality. For me, it's a totally alien concept.
Marco.
....then spewing their ring up later, and in the morning waking up with a huge hangover, and feeling like shit, supposedly all in the name of 'enjoying yourself'!:rolleyes:
I've never understood that mentality. For me, it's a totally alien concept.
Marco.
did it once and never again. was ill for a week. now i limit myself to a bottle of whisky a night:eyebrows:
Pigmy Pony
21-10-2020, 18:54
....then spewing their ring up later, and in the morning waking up with a huge hangover, and feeling like shit, supposedly all in the name of 'enjoying yourself'!:rolleyes:
I've never understood that mentality. For me, it's a totally alien concept.
Marco.
So, do you have a really crap memory, or was you born forty? :ner:
That sort of thing is not for me, not any more, but in my yoof I'd have go at pretty much anything, often to excess, and I turned out ok :) Course it's all different these days, a lot get pissed before they even leave the house, and when coke gets thrown into the mix (ridiculously commonplace these days) there's no reasoning with them. So getting them to comply with Covid regs? No chance!
Course this isn't every punter, just enough of them to ruin it for everyone :(
So, do you have a really crap memory, or was you born forty? :ner:
That sort of thing is not for me, not any more, but in my yoof I'd have go at pretty much anything, often to excess, and I turned out ok :) ............ :(
:respect:
So, do you have a really crap memory, or was you born forty? :ner:
Done plenty of that stuff when I was in my teens, but as soon as they were over, I got bored with the idea of 'going out and getting pissed', especially as there wasn't the same attraction in it for me, as I'd been used to drinking alcohol (albeit in small quantities) since I was about 10 (wine diluted with water at meals).
The drinks cabinet at home was always full of all sorts of stuff my parents enjoyed, and I didn't feel tempted to 'raid it', simply because I was introduced to alcohol early in life and so it wasn't a big deal. From about 12/13 onwards I was enjoying a small aperitif before lunch with my parents, then a small glass of wine with meals (it's an Italian thing), so unlike with Brits I had no compulsion to 'go mental', when I was 18 and legally allowed to drink in pubs - just a different culture, which I still practice now:)
That sort of thing is not for me, not any more, but in my yoof I'd have go at pretty much anything, often to excess, and I turned out ok :) Course it's all different these days, a lot get pissed before they even leave the house, and when coke gets thrown into the mix (ridiculously commonplace these days) there's no reasoning with them. So getting them to comply with Covid regs? No chance!
There's WAY too much obsession in this country with alcohol and going out and getting drunk - too many pissheads, which you simply don't get to the same extent abroad. I enjoy alcohol, but always in moderation and so would have ZERO interest in getting into such a state that I was sick or couldn't stand up, and just behaving like a total idiot (I can do the latter sober:D), so simply wouldn't go there.
Marco.
I'm taking my dad out for lunch on Friday, before Wales enters a 2-week lockdown, to a nice country pub within 20 mins from my front door, so looking forward to that, as is he... Nice pint of local real ale and some top-notch grub, well away from any pisshead chavs!;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
22-10-2020, 06:03
I'm taking my dad out for lunch on Friday, before Wales enters a 2-week lockdown, to a nice country pub within 20 mins from my front door, so looking forward to that, as is he... Nice pint of local real ale and some top-notch grub, well away from any pisshead chavs!;)
Marco.
Some of these "Brit Cop" type TV shows are done in Wales - can we expect to see some footage of your dad holding your post-lockdown hair back while you be sick in the gutter? :D
Lol - that would've been a plan. However, this time I went to a salon, while I had the chance (yesterday), and had it cut, as I couldn't handle having that unruly mop again, or anything approaching it!:eek::nono:
Marco.
Snap! - I had my hair cut yesterday. :)
I'm expecting a full lockdown before long - the government are flailing around without a clue as to what to do.
walpurgis
22-10-2020, 19:52
Snap! - I had my hair cut yesterday. :)
I'm expecting a full lockdown before long - the government are flailing around without a clue as to what to do.
Yes, I also see that coming Barry.
(and I shall be having a DIY haircut tomorrow :))
Pigmy Pony
22-10-2020, 21:09
My haircuts are similar to DIY jobs, Mrs. P is my barber. But with a couple of important differences - she never asks if I'm going anywhere nice for my holidays as she knows I'm bloody well not, and she never offers me "something for the weekend", apart from maybe a lawnmower or paint roller :(
My haircuts are similar to DIY jobs, Mrs. P is my barber. But with a couple of important differences - she never asks if I'm going anywhere nice for my holidays as she knows I'm bloody well not, and she never offers me "something for the weekend", apart from maybe a lawnmower or paint roller :(
My barber stopped asking me if I needed "something for the weekend" years ago. My then girlfriend though it a strange thing to ask, not understanding that it was a 'men only' environment (along with the magazines :D), and for some men it was less embarrasing than going into a chemist.
Today the same barber shop is staffed by both male and female hairdressers, and the typical topic of conversation is bloody Covid!
I haven't been to a traditional men's barber since I was a kid, as they've always tended to be full of old men!:D
So.... I prefer what are essentially ladies hair salons, with either women working in them, who know how to cut men's (short) hair, as many don't, and so normally the job of a 'senior stylist', or men who generally know how to cut men's hair.
I much prefer the vibe, and indeed have always been someone who prefers mingling with other people my age or younger, and of course some of the girlies who work in these salons aren't too 'hard on the eyes';)
Marco.
I haven't been to a traditional men's barber since I was a kid, as they've always tended to be full of old men!:D
So.... I prefer what are essentially ladies hair salons, with either women working in them, who know how to cut men's (short) hair, as many don't, and so normally the job of a 'senior stylist', or men who generally know how to cut men's hair.
I much prefer the vibe, and indeed have always been someone who prefers mingling with other people my age or younger, and of course some of the girlies who work in these salons aren't too 'hard on the eyes';)
Marco.
perving you mean?;)
i have not been to a hairdresser in 20 years +..... and it probably shows:D was getting fed up with refusing all the johnnies anyway:rolleyes:
walpurgis
23-10-2020, 08:22
i have not been to a hairdresser in 20 years +
About forty years in my case.
perving you mean?;)
i have not been to a hairdresser in 20 years +..... and it probably shows:D was getting fed up with refusing all the johnnies anyway:rolleyes:
Lol.... It's all part of the entertainment, plus I enjoy building up a rapport with a particular stylist, a bit like a bartender in a local bar, in that respect, in that I can walk in and they know what I want without asking for it.
I've known my current stylist, who usually calls at home, but had to isolate after a friend of her daughter's tested positive for Covid (hence why I visited a salon), for nearly as long as I've known Del. I think I first met her in 1990, in a salon in Wrexham, when Del and I were living in Glasgow but used to come and visit her mum, and she's now become a good friend to both of us.
I just enjoy building relationships like that, and as I've said before, I'm someone who's always enjoyed female company, as I usually get on very well with women!:cool:
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
23-10-2020, 08:35
and of course some of the girlies who work in these salons aren't too 'hard on the eyes';)
Marco.
guaranteed a tip when they stick their tits in your ear...:eyebrows:
anthonyTD
23-10-2020, 08:54
No problem getting my hair cut, i live with a hairdresser, although i still have to book it in ;):D
welsh supermarkets are fuming that the govt have now said at 11th hr that no essential items may be sold, but havent said what they are and how you block people from buying them without fights breaking out.
im inclined to agree, and think the welsh govt have lost the place..
you say cant buy a lightbulb coz its not essenial, so you fall down stairs:doh: how do these folk get these jobs?
Yeah, they've gone too far there, I think. Luckily we only use supermarkets for buying food and drink, toiletries and cleaning items, very little else - all unquestionably essentials.
It'll certainly make the checkouts in the likes of Asda, Tesco and Sainsbury's a dam sight speedier, as one of my pet hates are the idiots who buy tons of kids clothes and hold everyone else back in a queue, while the assistant removes the bloody hangers and security tags!!:doh:
I've always said that there should be separate tills for all that pish.
Marco.
It's a pointless, futile excersise. The numbers may be high in places but are also low in others.
All that will happen is economy gets screwed again and when lifted it will happen again. Eventually people will die of food shortages, insanity or be shot rioting.
Imo govts are just trying to cover their arses and hide behind ropey science which has proved it doesn't work long term
Glad you're coming round now to my way of thinking....;) I've been saying the same thing for months!
One thing it'll do though, is stop folk going for 'jollies', just to get out of the house, as happened in garden centres during the spring, with all the sheep queuing up for sun loungers and parasols...:rolleyes:
TBH, *if* (and it remains to be seen), the knock-on effect of the two week 'firebreak' results in more normality over Christmas, it'll be worth it - BUT it all depends on what the 'exit strategy' is!
Marco.
InThe Sticks
23-10-2020, 17:54
A Welsh supermarket today..
https://i.imgur.com/p4D9QYJ.jpg
Have they got Christo in to do that?
:lol:
I can remember when Sunday trading came in, but some items were not allowed to be sold - so the local stores covered up those items, making them look a bit like the picture above.
Have they got Christo in to do that?
Christo - who be he?:scratch:
Marco.
Yes, they could only sell booze 1200 to 1400, before and after that the drinks isle was roped off.
A Welsh supermarket today..
https://i.imgur.com/p4D9QYJ.jpg
As I said, that'll make bugger all difference to us - if we need any of that kind of stuff, we get it online, usually far cheaper!
Marco.
Christo - who be he?:scratch:
Marco.
Is your google search not working again? :D
Thought you would have heard of him with being in the art game.
Is your google search not working again? :D
Thought you would have heard of him with being in the art game.
Lol, we've been here before. If I don't know, I just prefer to ask:)
Nope, that one's passed me by. I've also Googled it and still don't see the connection with the supermarket pic... So I'm afraid you'll have to enlighten me!:ner:
Marco.
Christo - who be he?:scratch:
Marco.
A "concept artist" who's forte was to cover up large objects, buildings etc. with colourful sheeting. He even added a coloured 'frill' around a small island; an endevour which could only be appreciated from the air.
Lol, we've been here before. If I don't know, I just prefer to ask:)
Nope, that one's passed me by. I've also Googled it and still don't see the connection with the supermarket pic... So I'm afraid you'll have to enlighten me!:ner:
Marco.
He was a conceptual artist famous for wrapping things
https://i.ibb.co/rwNdWFK/6c2f771a0e2020cf1b8f11ea686ce001.jpg (https://ibb.co/P60DSFs)
Ah I see, thanks... Never heard of him before, but then I have zero interest in that sort of thing, as I don't consider it as art. Bullshit, yes. Art, no.
Folk like that are just chancers. Btw, Del has a degree in art, and is far more into it than me, and also until now hadn't heard of him!;)
She did recognise his face though, and the wrapping thing, when she saw pics on the net, but wouldn't have known him by name.
Marco.
I first came across him in 1984, and like you thought it was a load of bollocks.
It is a load of bollocks but then so are a lot of things.
Some of them are quite visually impressive due to the scale and the colours:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=christo+art+installations&qpvt=christo+art+installations&form=IGRE&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover
I first came across him in 1984, and like you thought it was a load of bollocks.
Indeed, much like the more obscure forms of abstract art, which require ZERO talent to produce, and instead rely on the ability of the 'artist' to sell a ridiculous 'concept' to the gullible!
Marco.
InThe Sticks
23-10-2020, 20:44
https://i.imgur.com/IJHGE7l.jpg
I'll put Drakeford on the same mantle as the fish that talks pish Sturgeon for piss poor leadership.
But, if we're scoring on narcissism and control freakishness, then both get a solid 10/10.
Well, as usual, we'll have to agree to disagree on that matter. Neither are perfect, that's for sure, but a damn sight more capable than the balloon currently in No10 supposedly 'running the country', and making a total ARSE of it!
More like RUINING the country... What exactly are his 'leadership qualities', then'? I'm asking simply because he hides them so well!! As I've said, I don't necessarily agree with some of Drakeford's recent decisions, but he seems a sincere man with his heart in the right place, unlike BJ-Boy.
And if this 'firebreak fortnight' results in a significant drop in infections, and subsequently to us (in Wales) enjoying a more normal Christmas, whilst you lot are in lockdown and forced to endure a 'digital Christmas', then he'll deserve a medal, and I'll be on here saying....
GET IT RIGHT UP YE!:upyours::ner::D;)
Marco.
mad-moon
23-10-2020, 21:34
Lol.... It's all part of the entertainment, plus I enjoy building up a rapport with a particular stylist, a bit like a bartender in a local bar, in that respect, in that I can walk in and they know what I want without asking for it.
I've known my current stylist, who usually calls at home, but had to isolate after a friend of her daughter's tested positive for Covid (hence why I visited a salon), for nearly as long as I've known Del. I think I first met her in 1990, in a salon in Wrexham, when Del and I were living in Glasgow but used to come and visit her mum, and she's now become a good friend to both of us.
I just enjoy building relationships like that, and as I've said before, I'm someone who's always enjoyed female company, as I usually get on very well with women!:cool:
Marco.
I'm beginnig to wonder who the hairdresser is.....duckie
Ménage à Trois, mate...;)
Marco.
InThe Sticks
24-10-2020, 07:22
Well, as usual, we'll have to agree to disagree on that matter.
Marco.
I’d have thought that locking down the areas with a high R number and letting the areas that aren’t so badly affected to continue to trade and (relatively) go about life as usual, as opposed to slamming the door firmly shut on the entire population would be a sensible and intelligent thing to do. Wouldn’t you?
General public: Can we please buy an egg?
WelshLabour: Why, of course you can
General public: Can we buy an egg cup to eat said egg?
WelshLabour: Hell no, you’ll kill us all!!!
General public: Ok, can I bathe my child?
WelshLabour: Go right ahead
General public: Can I buy a towel to dry my child?
WelshLabour: Absolutely not, no way, this would be the death of all mankind.
General public: Can I at least buy my child new clothing so they’re not cold?
WelshLabour: Are you mad? We will not let this happen, not ever, it would be catastrophic to the population.
General public: Can we at least buy cleaning products to minimise the spread of the Wu-Tang virus?
WelshLabour: Don’t be stupid, of course not.
Etc etc etc
I was going to say that the above is a light hearted look on things in Wales, but I can’t as its actually and quite unbelievably happened.
But, yes, I agree that none of the practices are perfect, and there’s no one size fits all solution.
That said, there’s practices that are relatively sane and then there’s Welsh Labour and Drakeford.
dave2010
24-10-2020, 08:11
welsh supermarkets are fuming that the govt have now said at 11th hr that no essential items may be sold, but havent said what they are and how you block people from buying them without fights breaking out.
im inclined to agree, and think the welsh govt have lost the place..
you say cant buy a lightbulb coz its not essenial, so you fall down stairs:doh: how do these folk get these jobs?Isn't the issue that most things which are bought are not essential? I don't think it's so much the transactions which are a concern, but people travelling out to buy stuff, and the social mixing that arises. Also, some articles in shops tend to be handled before purchase - think birthday cards or CDs. I quite often enjoy looking through birthday cards before selecting (or not) one to buy.
I'm trying to think of examples of "non essential" items which really are.
Probably things like tools - and tap washers - to stop major water damage if one's plumbing goes wrong.
Toilet syphons - so toilets keep overflowing.
Fuses for electric plugs, so that what they're connected to work.
Engine oil for cars.
On the other hand some things are less immediately essential, surely - such as:
Interior decorating paint (exterior paint probably helps to preserve surfaces and reduce/avoid problems in the future).
Luxury foods - such as caviar.
Curtain fabric.
Over to you ....
PS: Isn't the thing about supermarkets and non essential items to give a more level playing field to other smaller shops? Example: birthday cards - which presumably can still be bought in card shops, small shops and post offices.
Another one - flowers - go to a local florist.
anthonyTD
24-10-2020, 09:07
:)
Isn't the issue that most things which are bought are not essential? I don't think it's so much the transactions which are a concern, but people travelling out to buy stuff, and the social mixing that arises. Also, some articles in shops tend to be handled before purchase - think birthday cards or CDs. I quite often enjoy looking through birthday cards before selecting (or not) one to buy.
I'm trying to think of examples of "non essential" items which really are.
Probably things like tools - and tap washers - to stop major water damage if one's plumbing goes wrong.
Toilet syphons - so toilets keep overflowing.
Fuses for electric plugs, so that what they're connected to work.
Engine oil for cars.
On the other hand some things are less immediately essential, surely - such as:
Interior decorating paint (exterior paint probably helps to preserve surfaces and reduce/avoid problems in the future).
Luxury foods - such as caviar.
Curtain fabric.
Over to you ....
PS: Isn't the thing about supermarkets and non essential items to give a more level playing field to other smaller shops? Example: birthday cards - which presumably can still be bought in card shops, small shops and post offices.
Another one - flowers - go to a local florist.
I’d have thought that locking down the areas with a high R number and letting the areas that aren’t so badly affected to continue to trade and (relatively) go about life as usual, as opposed to slamming the door firmly shut on the entire population would be a sensible and intelligent thing to do. Wouldn’t you?
General public: Can we please buy an egg?
WelshLabour: Why, of course you can
General public: Can we buy an egg cup to eat said egg?
WelshLabour: Hell no, you’ll kill us all!!!
General public: Ok, can I bathe my child?
WelshLabour: Go right ahead
General public: Can I buy a towel to dry my child?
WelshLabour: Absolutely not, no way, this would be the death of all mankind.
General public: Can I at least buy my child new clothing so they’re not cold?
WelshLabour: Are you mad? We will not let this happen, not ever, it would be catastrophic to the population.
General public: Can we at least buy cleaning products to minimise the spread of the Wu-Tang virus?
WelshLabour: Don’t be stupid, of course not.
Etc etc etc
I was going to say that the above is a light hearted look on things in Wales, but I can’t as its actually and quite unbelievably happened.
But, yes, I agree that none of the practices are perfect, and there’s no one size fits all solution.
That said, there’s practices that are relatively sane and then there’s Welsh Labour and Drakeford.
Yes, I totally agree, and it's very well documented that I'm passionately and fiercely protective of my freedoms! However, the lockdown was announced well in advance - it certainly didn't come as a 'surprise', so there was AMPLE TIME for the general public to plan for it.
His mistake was the late introduction of the the ban on buying 'non-essential items', which should've been announced at the same time as the lockdown. However, much of what you've said is of course exaggerated for effect, as ALL of the things you've mentioned above any organised person should already have at home in abundance, such as clothes and towels (plenty to last 2 weeks), certainly anyone with kids. And if not, then it's their own fault!
In any case, as I said let's see where we are in Wales on Nov 9th, and whether or not the measures look likely to have had the desired effect (of course there will be a delay for the 'catch up' to happen), and if they have, then for me MD should be applauded.
From what I know of him and his behaviour to date, he's certainly isn't the authoritarian, draconian type (quite the opposite in fact); he's a passionate Welshman trying to do what he thinks is best in the long term for Wales and the Welsh people, but at the same time (contrary to what you think) is a strong enough leader not to be afraid to take any tough decisions that he thinks are necessary in order to achieve that, and which is precisely what he's done.
The fact is, despite what you think of them, both he and Sturgeon have had the 'balls' to do what they think is right, whether you or I agree with it or not, thus have shown proper leadership qualities, unlike dithering, bumbling Boris!
Marco.
Isn't the issue that most things which are bought are not essential? I don't think it's so much the transactions which are a concern, but people travelling out to buy stuff, and the social mixing that arises. Also, some articles in shops tend to be handled before purchase - think birthday cards or CDs. I quite often enjoy looking through birthday cards before selecting (or not) one to buy.
I'm trying to think of examples of "non essential" items which really are.
Probably things like tools - and tap washers - to stop major water damage if one's plumbing goes wrong.
Toilet syphons - so toilets keep overflowing.
Fuses for electric plugs, so that what they're connected to work.
Engine oil for cars.
On the other hand some things are less immediately essential, surely - such as:
Interior decorating paint (exterior paint probably helps to preserve surfaces and reduce/avoid problems in the future).
Luxury foods - such as caviar.
Curtain fabric.
Over to you ....
PS: Isn't the thing about supermarkets and non essential items to give a more level playing field to other smaller shops? Example: birthday cards - which presumably can still be bought in card shops, small shops and post offices.
Another one - flowers - go to a local florist.
Good post, Adrian. I fully concur!:thumbsup:
The problem is folks these days are so bloody disorganised and used to not having to THINK, with everything being available to them in shops, 24/7, so there's no need to plan properly.
Therefore, if something is 'urgently required', they just run out to the supermarket, making umpteen unnecessary journeys in the process over the course of a week, when some proper planning and organisation would limit that necessity - and limiting that necessity (along with people's movements), and therefore the further spread of the virus, is the whole reason why these new measures have been implemented.
Look at the ridiculous panic buying, for example, that takes place in supermarkets every year on Christmas Eve - simply because the shops are shut for ONE DAY!! 'OMG, just HOW are we going to cope for 24 hours without buying yet another bag of sprouts or pint of milk, 'just in case'??':doh:
Fucking madness!!
So TBH, if you can't go 2 weeks without buying a towel or ]yet more] kids clothes, for kids that already have too much and WAY more than they need, then take a good look at yourself, not the Welsh First Minister!
Marco.
Yes, I totally agree, and it's very well documented that I'm passionately protective of my freedoms! However, the lockdown was announced well in advance - it certainly didn't come as a 'surprise', so there was AMPLE TIME for the general public to plan for it.
His mistake was the late introduction of the the ban on buying 'non-essential items', which should've been announced at the same time as the lockdown. However, much of what you've said is of course exaggerated for effect, as ALL of the things you've mentioned above any organised person should already have at home in abundance, such as clothes and towels (plenty to last 2 weeks), certainly anyone with kids. And if not, then it's their own fault!
In any case, as I said let's see where we are in Wales on Nov 9th, and whether or not the measures are looking likely to have had the desired effect (of course there will be a delay for the 'catch up' to happen), and if they have, then for me MD is to be applauded.
From what I know of him and his behaviour to date, he's certainly isn't the authoritarian, draconian type (quite the opposite in fact); he's a passionate Welshman trying to do what he thinks is best in the long term for Wales and the Welsh people, but at the same time (contrary to what you think) is a strong enough leader not to be afraid to take any tough decisions that he thinks are necessary in order to achieve that, and which is precisely what he's done.
The fact is, despite what you think of them, both he and Sturgeon have had the 'balls' to do what they think is right, whether you or I agree with it or not, thus have shown proper leadership qualities, unlike dithering, bumbling Boris!
Marco.
Can we stop using the word 'leader' in reference to politicians? It isn't their job to be 'leaders' any more than it is our purpose to be their 'followers.'
The concept of political 'leaders' is very left wing/Orwellian and certainly not something we want or need in this country. I know that you see the term used often in the media but it is fundamentally incorrect. A Prime Minister or First Minister is the leader of their political party, not of their country. If you are not a party member then they are not your leader.
Oh, and of course, if anyone wants to buy a bloody egg cup or a towel, in the next 2 weeks, then you can ably do so online - there's no need whatsoever to use a supermarket!
Marco.
Can we stop using the word 'leader' in reference to politicians? It isn't their job to be 'leaders' any more than it is our purpose to be their 'followers.'
The concept of political 'leaders' is very left wing/Orwellian and certainly not something we want or need in this country. I know that you see the term used often in the media but it is fundamentally incorrect. A Prime Minister or First Minister is the leader of their political party, not of their country. If you are not a party member then they are not your leader.
Well, they (a prime minister) will 'lead', in terms of being the figurehead [ultimately the one who carries the can for the result of government decisions] and who outlines those decisions to the nation, and which they will certainly have had some input in.
He (BJ) is also leader of the Tory party, and IMO a very poor one, in comparison with the leader of the SNP or Labour party. And Mark Drakeford is the leader of the Welsh government, and in that respect, IMO, doing a far better job of it than BJ is in his role!
Marco.
The other point of course with the 2-week lockdown in Wales, is that it was probably decided to make it national, not regional, in order to send a simple message to the Welsh people about what they can do and where they can go, within a set timescale, unlike the regional 'tiered system' shambles, full of confusing mixed messages, that's taken place in England, where many folks haven't got a scooby-doo what they're doing or when the restrictions are ending!
In that respect, Boris should take a leaf out of Drakeford's book, and look up the meaning of CLARITY.
:exactly:
Marco.
No I disagree that they are 'figureheads' as much as I disagree that they are 'leaders' (except of their parties). In the UK the monarch is the 'figurehead', in the USA and France it is the President.
I don't think any of the politicians are doing an especially good job but then this is one of those situations where it isn't really possible to do a good job which is why defining it along some sort of party-political or personality line is absurd. There are some problems that cannot be solved easily, and some that cannot be solved at all. Covid is in the latter category. No amount of 'great leadership' will make any difference whatsoever to the outcome.
Disagree away, and I'll disagree back - the fact is, nothing either of us will say, will change our respective opinions on that particular matter!:ner:
Regardless, as you say, they're still leaders of their respective parties, and IMO, Sturgeon is doing a far better job in her role [as a leader] than BJ is in his.
In that respect, I stand firm on everything I've said. Yes, some things aren't easily solved or can't be solved, but that doesn't mean decisions taken to try and solve them can't be clear and concise, instead of as clear as mud!
Marco.
What is unclear?
I've seen a lot of talk about the regulations being confusing - I've not found them confusing. I see a lot of complaints about the regulations changing - well yes, they have to change to adapt to a changing situation.
If you don't know what's unclear, then you clearly haven't been following what's been happening very closely, or the public outrage over all the confusing mixed messages being sent out by balloon-boy and his equally inept and incompetent counterparts!:ner:
Anyway, I'll leave it there. as I haven't had yet had my morning cappuccino, and it's nearly afternoon... Laters:cool:
Marco.
'The public outrage' lol.
What's funny? It certainly exists! Just because some of the English government's ridiculous, poorly advised, subsequently ill-conceived and poorly executed decisions aren't *currently* affecting you, doesn't mean that they're irrelevant.
Marco.
What's funny? .
The idea that there is 'public outrage.'
There's people who will complain about anything and there's people with a political ideology to propagate. And the media will make a mountain out of any molehill. Everyone else is just getting on with it.
In your humble opinion. I beg to differ, and there's plenty of evidence to support my view, if you care to look - for VERY legitimate reasons - which your flippancy is an insult to. Anyway, best just leave it there, as we'll never agree on this matter.
Marco.
The idea that there is 'public outrage.'
There's people who will complain about anything and there's people with a political ideology to propagate. And the media will make a mountain out of any molehill. Everyone else is just getting on with it.
At 11.39 he s late for his cappo, at 11.59 he s still arguing with you :lol:
...whilst now enjoying my coffee!:ner:
It's useful being able to multi-task and also type fast:D
Marco.
Channel Hopper
24-10-2020, 11:54
I'm sure it's been mentioned in at least one of the 431 pages before this, but I can't believe anyone would seriously believe there is a link that exists between all the individual world powers and the rise of Covid inside a year. Certainly there will always be those that will try to turn the situation to their advantage, the 'good day to bury bad news' type but certainly not the whole planet.
Conversely I am hoping all those with the basic intelligence to wire up a loudspeaker to play sounds from their separates (you dont even need to get the polarity right, unlike people like me that use a headphone jack to achieve same) , would believe mobile tower deployment and the rollout of 5G is behind the suppression of dissent, much less the spread of the next strain of the common cold.
Unfortunately I have extended family members that are sucked in by the 'compelling' evidence of Covid 19 being a tool for new world order (and Covid 21 - snigger). When I am asked to comment I always pull up this scene with Otto and his parents from Repo Man whilst hypnotised by the evangelist on the telly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axq71RFAYgo
Enjoy it for what it is, brain out entertainment, not a prophecy.
Sorry, Stephen, I must be missing the point, as I don't see the real relevance of that video, based on what you've just said:scratch:
You can be just as easily 'hypnotized', through TV, by government or media propaganda, as by any evangelist. The biggest hypnotizing or brainwashing device these days, used by the authorities trying to control us, is Smartphones!
Marco.
Channel Hopper
24-10-2020, 12:28
My error, I thought I had quoted this post of yours but it didn't happen.
https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?68302-Johns-Hopkins-Medical-Centre-World-Coronavirus-infection-Map-by-Country&p=1200624#post1200624
I won't edit my post as it would look advantageous.
No, that's fine. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of what I said earlier happening, as it still could. That's not being 'sucked into' anything, simply considering all the possibilities, as with good reason I remain deeply suspicious of establishment agendas and some of the decisions our authorities are making in that respect over Covid.
Marco.
Channel Hopper
24-10-2020, 13:24
You did post it was 'all part of the plan', ie. events of the past year have been laid out in a roadmap. There is absolutely nobody - not even working with the best AI that could strategise in favour of the elite, unless a vaccine has already been produced and 'they' are just witholding it until the time is right.
With no current fix on the common cold at least we are safe from events reoccurring on Horsell Common.
As I've said, I'm ruling nothing out at the moment, as how I stated this whole thing *could* pan out [although let's hope not], way back at the beginning of this thread, still remains on course and a possibility, however slim.
If you disagree, that's fine, so we'll simply have to agree to disagree, as I doubt there'd be anything you could tell me that would change my mind in that respect:)
Marco.
Not that I think anyone here is daft enough to fall for it, but I'll flag it up anyway: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/10/24/fake-coronavirus-marshals-stealing-from-homes-after-conning-thei/
Marco.
the scumbags will try and take advantage of anything. they, when caught should just be neck shot and buried in a shallow grave imo. i hate scum like that!
Totally agree, same here, but not before locking them in a room for 10 mins with members of the family who's relative they've scammed;)
Marco.
Strange government in Wales. If I have got this right; it's ok to buy alcohol along with other essentials, but children's clothes are non essential:scratch:
Strange government in Wales. If I have got this right; it's ok to buy alcohol along with other essentials, but children's clothes are non essential:scratch:
Yeah, but I think its so that smaller shops that are now shut don't lose trade to supermarkets which are still open.
I guess 'essentials', as it comes under the banner of food and drink. Besides, if they tried to ban sales of alcohol, they'd have a riot on their hands!
And I think that 'little Johnny' can survive two weeks without needing yet *another* pair of trainers....;)
Marco.
Yeah, but I think its so that smaller shops that are now shut don't lose trade to supermarkets which are still open.
Yes, that too...
Marco.
InThe Sticks
24-10-2020, 17:57
He (BJ) is also leader of the Tory party, and IMO a very poor one, in comparison with the leader of the SNP.
Marco.
Really, I'm mean REALLY!
some light reading for you..
1. Derek Mackay sending text messages to a sixteen-year-old boy telling him he was really cute.
2. Mhairi Black bringing a drag queen called Flowjob to a primary school
3. Derek Mackay spending £230 million on ferries that were not built
4. John Swinney overseeing an exam fiasco leading to marks being inflated
5. John Swinney being responsible for teaching primary school children about anal sex, rimming and pornography.
6. Natalie McGarry resigned the SNP whip because of fraud offences relating to the Women for Independence group. She pleaded guilty was convicted and jailed, but later had the conviction quashed. *She still faces trial for embezzlement.
7. SNP*coverup over the Covid outbreak connected with Nike in Edinburgh
8. SNP Government involved in clinical waste storage scandal
9. SNP MPs Chris Law, Ian Blackford and Brendan O’Hara had expenses claims totally £760,000 from the UK Parliament. They were the three with the highest claims out of all MPs.
10. Ian Blackford made a 600 mile trip to Skye while complaining about Dominic Cummings making a trip to Durham.
11. Scottish businesses complain that they don't get as much in furlough as colleagues in other parts of the UK
12. SNP have been criticised for failing to pass on money received to help Scottish businesses.
13. Proportionally more elderly Scots died in care homes than anywhere else in UK due to SNP incompetence when it sent sick elderly people from hospitals to care homes. The report looking at this action has been delayed
14. Students were unnecessarily sent back to campuses across Scotland leading to an increase in Covid cases plus students being imprisoned in their halls of residence.
15. Mark John Kerr SNP member of North Lanarkshire Council was charged with sexual abuse.
16. Ian Blackford made an 88-mile round trip at the height of lockdown to visit Broadford hospital. He wasn’t ill and didn’t need to go.
17. Peter Murrell although SNP chief executive knows nothing about what the leader of the SNP says or does nor what goes on in his own house. Sturgeon know just as little about him.
18. SNP claimed EU left a light on for Scotland, but it was the SNP that paid for the stunt
19. Linda Fabiani*SNP MSP telling Linda Evans “I am afraid that I am becoming uncomfortable” with questions and answers at the Salmond Inquiry.
20. SNP spent 9 million on laptops for needy school children, but didn’t give them out.
21. SNP appointed Chief Medical Officer for Scotland*Catherine Calderwood*visited her second home despite telling everyone else not to do so.
22. SNP had plans to suspend jury trials during Covid until an outcry made them change their minds
23. Neale Hanvey suspended by SNP for using anti-Semitic language later readmitted
24. Aberdeen*locked down in August, but Glasgow not locked down later despite having many more cases.
25. Angus Robertson looking forward to the death of elderly No voters. Not a good look when the SNP are responsible for care homes.
26. Nicola Sturgeon’s perfect hair that we are supposed to believe she did all by herself even the back
27. Steven Bonnar SNP MP charged over a street disturbance
28. A spreadsheet error delayed the opening of Edinburgh’s Sick Kids hospital. The Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Glasgow was also affected by SNP incompetence in running healthcare in Scotland.
29. SNP are not much better at building bridges as Queensferry crossing is closed because of falling ice shards.
30. John Mason compared IRA murderers to ANC freedom fighters.
31.*John Mason refuses to represent unionists.
32. Alyn Smith SNP MP tells people they are on an SNP naughty step database.
33.*Alex Wilson SNP councillor got together with his wife when he was twenty and she was thirteen.
34.*Angus MacNeil charged the taxpayer for the cost of his hotel when entertaining his mistress
35. Angus MacNeil had three in a bed sex with 17 and 18 year old girls
36. Stuart Hosie stepped down after revelations about his extra marital affair
37. There is rumoured to be a super injunction taken out by a senior SNP politician about something we are not allowed to talk about.
38.*Scotland*keeps falling down the world’s educational league tables
39. Mark MacDonald SNP MSP suspended by party after admitting his inappropriate behaviour caused a woman considerable distress
40. Frank Anderson SNP councillor suspended for sharing an anti-Semitic blog
41. Michelle Thomson withdrew herself from the SNP whip over police investigations into fraud. The case was later dropped.
42. *KennyMaclaren SNP councillor suspended for book burning.
43. Former SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh was found guilty of professional misconduct and fined £3000.
44. Lewis Ritchie SNP councillor suspended over an alleged fracas at the SNP party conference
45. *Donnie Kerr SNP councillor suspended for describing a colleague as a “stupid bitch” during a meeting.
46. Alex Salmond accused of sexual assault and attempted rape. He was acquitted. He did admit to having consensual sex.
47. Alex Salmond accused of bullying members of staff.
48. There was allegedly a policy of not allowing female workers to be alone with Alex Salmond.
49. Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of failing to cooperate with the Salmond inquiry. Is this because there is something damaging about what she knew during the independence referendum in 2014 or is it for another reason?
50. Peter Murrell has been accused of obstructing the Salmond inquiry. What is he trying to hide? Why does he need a law firm to help him keep his secrets?
51. Humza Yousaf SNP MSP and Transport Minister was caught driving without insurance.
52. Joan McAlpine used public money to pay her lover’s wife to take photographs
53.*Nicola Sturgeon loses £10 Billion deal with China after the Chinese described the negotiations as a Scottish shambles.
54. Sandra White made an anti-Semitic retweet. She said she did so accidentally
55. Alex Salmond spent £20,000 of taxpayer’s money trying to hide EU legal advice that did not exist
56. Susan Aitken SNP Glasgow Council leader accused of nepotism after husband’s company allowed to rent property for £1 a year
57. Elspeth Kerr Glenn Elder and Russell Robertson SNP councillors resigned the whip due to intimidation and bullying
58. Eva Bolander SNP Lord Provost of Glasgow resigned over £8000 expenses used to buy clothes, shoes and beauty products.
59. Susan Aitken accused of misuse of expenses involving taxis.
60. SNP MP Alyn Smith called for black and disabled representatives to be removed from the SNP’s ruling body because they hindered the push for independence.
61. Susan Aitken reported to watchdog over sectarian smear. She claimed it was a joke
62. David McDonald and Susan Aitken reported to Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland over alleged bias.
63.*Nicola Sturgeon gave a character reference to a convicted fraudster Abdul Rauf.
64.*Lisa Cameron opposes the sale of council houses but buys ex council properties to form a £630,000 property portfolio.
65.*Chris Law breached advertising rules on his property website.
66.*Chris Law investigated over his tax affairs and property interests.
67.*Ash Denham handed thousands of pounds to former employees in compensation. Some ex-employees signed gagging clauses.
68.*Corri Wilson accused of nepotism after employing both her son and her daughter after being elected an MP
69. Paul Monaghan apologised after posting an anti-Semitic tweet
70.* Gillian Martin sacked by Sturgeon before starting job as Minister for Education due to online slurs about Jews and black people
71. SNP spent more on a by election in Shetland than they did on the EU referendum. Perhaps they wanted Remain to lose.
72. Craig Melville a Dundee councillor found guilty of sending racist text messages.
73. Dave Doogan an SNP councillor made anti-English comments involving red-coats and quislings.
74. SNP figures involved in a Game of Thrones style feud in Dundee.
75. Chris Law accused of humiliating local councillor Roisin Smith while she worked in his constituency office
76. Jeane Freeman offers to help Angela Haggerty with her Asda shopping in the midst of the Covid crisis.
77. Chris Cullen accused of making IRA jibes.
78. Brendan O’Hara used sectarian language calling Rangers supporters Huns
79. Humza Yousaf deletes tweet mourning the death of gangland figure Omer Sadiq
80.* Bill Walker MSP jailed for 12 months for domestic abuse
81. Hannah Bardell refuses to apologise after playing football in the House of Commons
82. Hannah Bardell writes in 2015 about Alex Salmond “I cannot think of anyone who has done more to help women, and men, to progress under his guidance.”
83. Mhairi Black becomes the first MP in history to use the C word in Parliament
84. Ian Blackford is accused of making the last few months of Charles Kennedy’s life a misery.
86. Steven Bonnar gets involved in a street clash over a Celtic flag
*87. Alan Brown becomes the first MP to use the phrase “Get it up ye” in Parliament. Hansard asks for a translator.
88. Douglas Chapman gloats about English Covid deaths
89 SNP described as Scottish Nookie Party after councillor Keith Robertson’s wife is a hooker
90 Serena Cowdy joked about MP Stewart Hosie having trysts with her in his M&S Y fronts. He also shared her with MP Angus MacNeil, but his underwear or lack of it is not described.
91.* MSP Kenny Gibson was involved in a complicated love triangle with MP wife Patricia Gibson and a married party aide.
92. Patricia Gibson fell asleep in the Commons but denied it.
93. Peter Grant apologised after writing “Jacob is a Catholic Brexiteer. On Fridays he only sells out fishermen.”*
94. Mhairi Black was heard to say, “It took every fibre in my being not to put the nut on every one of them,” Apparently Mhairi wished to remake Kill Bill in a Tartan jumpsuit armed only with her head
94. Alyn Smith apologised after describing the Brexit Party as a money laundering front.
95. Jordan Henderson Alyn Smith’s partner abused SNP women because they disagreed with him
96. Alex Salmond was allegedly involved in sexual misconduct at Edinburgh Airport in 2008, but no one in the SNP knew anything whatsoever about there being any similar allegations during the independence referendum campaign.
97. Angus Robertson allegedly knew about the incident at Edinburgh Airport, but he didn't tell anyone else because no one knew about Salmond's alleged reputation in 2014.*
98 Nicola Sturgeon has struggles with basic pronunciation. She thinks the word “Ferrier” is pronounced “Covid”. F is fuh Nicola. C is cuh.
99. Nicola Sturgeon dogwhistles about closing the border with England then says “nothing to do with me” when Scottish nationalists dressed up like the cast of Chernobyl take her at her word.
100. Peter Murrell sends texts about opening a second front against Salmond, which rather confirms Salmond’s claim that there was a political conspiracy against him.
101.*Alex Salmond promised to “we’d either have Theresa May or Nicola Sturgeon or Ruth Davidson or Melania Trump, but I couldn’t make any of these wonderful women come” The joke is even worse now.
102.*Alex Salmond is asked to provide details of spending £467,000 on a trip to Ryder cup. Surely his tartan trousers couldn't have cost that much.
103. Nicola Sturgeon claims to have failed to tell MSPs about a meeting with Alex Salmond dealing with alleged sexual misconduct because she had forgotten about it. The dog had also eat her* homework.*
104. SNP cashed in on Covid by selling face masks with the SNP logo on them. Apparently upside down odal runes ward off Covid germs.*
105. STV clip of children praising Nicola Sturgeon is compared to North Korea. Of course no one from the SNP contacted STV to ask them to make the clip.
106.*Yen Hongmei Jin Scotland's only Chinese councillor quits the SNP because of racism and bullying.*
107.**Julie McAnulty SNP councillor and Holyrood candidate is suspended after saying "get the p*kis out the party"
108.**Paul Monaghan told a racist cybernat to keep it up.*
109. Nicola Sturgeon breaks social distancing rules in Holyrood but locks down the rest of Scotland
110.**James Dornan*and Fergal Dalton pose in front of a banned Irish republican terrorist group's flag
111.*Moira Shemilt accused of anti-English xenophobia in online rant.*
112. Derek Mackay boasted about chairing the SNP conference while drunk and was banned from attending the karaoke. This was not on account of his singing.*
113.*Michael Matheson loaned Prestwick Airport £43 million, but has no idea if he will get the money back.
114. Angus Robertson claimed £400 in expenses*for a home cinema system. He claimed that the DVD player was bought to catch up on political programmes and that he used the fact that it also had a build in radio.
115.*Alex MacLeod fiddled his election expenses*and flouted a court order handed down for the offence.*
116. Jennifer Robertson, wife of Angus, goes into business* setting up Spey Media with the disgraced Alex MacLeod
117. Pete Wishart claimed twice for the rental of the same flat on his expenses,*but claims it was all due to faulty paperwork.*
118. Jeane Freeman claimed to work 376 days in one year.
119. Stewart Maxwell gets job with state owned company which required local and national political connections after giving up job as MSP leading to questions being raised about lobbying.*
120. Peter Murrell said that he never asked his wife Nicola Sturgeon what her meeting with Alex Salmond was about. He also had no knowledge of how the complaints against Salmond were investigated by the Scottish Government.*
121.*Joanna Cherry falsely accused*nurse Claire Austin of being married to a Tory after the nurse confronted Nicola Sturgeon on TV. Cherry later apologised
122.*Joanna Cherry criticised Emily Thornberry for missing a vote when Thornberry was visiting her child in hospital.*
123. SNP allegedly gagged journalist Stephen Daisley when he worked for STV
124 Nick Robinson required a body guard to do his work due to Scottish nationalists
125. Sarah Smith grovels in apology over the suggestion that Nicola Sturgeon was enjoying setting her own rules over Covid. Not that there was any pressure put on her.
126.*Devi Sridhar hints at disagreement with Sturgeon, but a little later says she is completely aligned*with her. Ruth Davidson suspects the use of a hair drying in the background. Afterwards Ms Sridhar goes native by accusing "unionists" of being anti-Scottish.
127. Lewis Ritchie arrested and charged over alleged sexual offences in Edinburgh and Glasgow.
128. Jim Sillars claimed that Alex Salmond had shown him evidence that the allegations against Salmond were a political set up.*
129.**Ashten Regan-Denham used her maiden speech at Holyrood to state that education was not a commodity*to be bought and sold, but she sends her own children to a fee paying private school.
130. Alex Salmond put pressure on St Andrews University head Louise Richardson over independence. She was urged to issue a statement praising the Scottish Government.
131. Imtiaz Majid lied in court in an attempt to get a divorce on the cheap but got a £50,000 bill instead.
132. Caroline Stephen had her £4000 council tax debt paid off by a colleague so she could take part in a budge vote.*
133. Gregor Murray was suspended for two months as a councillor over derogatory remarks.*
134. David Linden is unable to speak English in the House of Commons
135. David Linden is perhaps the first MP to use the word "cr*p" in the House of Commons, but withdraws it
136. Kenny MacAskill believes there were dark forces at work in the Salmond trial.
137. Pete Wishart suggests ways to break the law if he doesn't get his way. Isn't failing to take No for an answer the route of nearly all of the SNP's scandals?
138. Joanna Cherry wants the SNP to investigate ways of breaking the law. It's an odd look for a QC. Why should the rest of us obey the law?
139.**Natalie McGarry agreed to pay £10,000 to charity for falsely calling a unionist a Holocaust denier.*
140.*Anne McLaughlin claims her Rastafarian*boyfriend is being denied his human right to smoke cannabis. He is also employed*by her.*
141. Derek MacKay is still claiming expenses*for a second home despite not voting.
142. SNP tried to block the newspaper that reported the Derek Mackay texting scandal. What other stories has the SNP successfully blocked?
143. Margaret Ferrier went to church while ill with Covid putting the lives of elderly church goers at risk.*
144. SNP were warned about allegations of domestic abuse against Bill Walker three years before he was elected
145. Douglas Chapman claims that the "moral code was very different" when Bill Walker was beating his wife.*
146. SNP condemn the decision to open the files on Arthur Donaldson founder of the SNP who was interned during World War II for supporting the Germans.
147. Tommy Shepherd says old people dying will reignite the independence campaign.*
148. Alex Salmond*blamed "elderly Scots, who were most hostile to leaving the UK, for holding back younger generations and argued that independence is inevitable after they die off."
149. Peter Murrell admits sending texts encouraging the police to take a greater interest in Alex Salmond*
150. Nicola Sturgeon had earlier refused to confirm whether her husband had sent the texts. She said that she was not prepared to answer for other people, but denied obstructing the inquiry.*
I can give press links to everyone of those if required.
Extremely interested in hearing your thoughts are you've read that lot.
In fact I'm looking forward to it..
a bit of a tory party press release isnt it :lol:
You mean you read it all? !!
You mean you read it all? !!
;) did i need to?
InThe Sticks
24-10-2020, 18:28
a bit of a tory party press release isnt it :lol:
I'm certainly no Tory, but facts are facts which ever way you wish to view it, or in fact completely ignore it.
Makes not a jot of difference to me.
no, facts aint facts.. you will learn that.. no such thing as facts in politics. or in most of life for that matter... its all opinion and spin.
if there is a fact, its that we are all just boys and girls looking for a bit of love and security, but are to various extents screwed up by chancers and politicians... no they are both the same. viva zapata
Pigmy Pony
24-10-2020, 18:35
:eek: Bloody hell Jon, did you type all that yourself? I didn't know there was that many people in Scotland... That is one impressive catalogue of incompetence, laziness
and corruption - did they think no one was watching? Makes Bumbling Boris and his cronies look like the Bash Street kids, though I expect a similar size list could be drawn up for any government anywhere.
InThe Sticks
24-10-2020, 18:41
Hell no, it was copy and pasted from..
https://www.effiedeans.com/p/function-loadthearchivetotalfeed-var.html
Well worth a look at that site, well maybe not for the SNP sheep who will completely ignore all wrong doings and blindly follow Nicoliar.
There are very few snp sheep here I can assure you. Snp have got where they are by doing what labour should have done for years and torys would never do.
If independence ever happens and I'm not a hopeful, nor particularly wanting it, then I can assure you snp will lose next election
Really, I'm mean REALLY!
some light reading for you..
1. Derek Mackay sending text messages to a sixteen-year-old boy telling him he was really cute.
2. Mhairi Black bringing a drag queen called Flowjob to a primary school
3. Derek Mackay spending £230 million on ferries that were not built
4. John Swinney overseeing an exam fiasco leading to marks being inflated
5. John Swinney being responsible for teaching primary school children about anal sex, rimming and pornography.
6. Natalie McGarry resigned the SNP whip because of fraud offences relating to the Women for Independence group. She pleaded guilty was convicted and jailed, but later had the conviction quashed. *She still faces trial for embezzlement.
7. SNP*coverup over the Covid outbreak connected with Nike in Edinburgh
8. SNP Government involved in clinical waste storage scandal
9. SNP MPs Chris Law, Ian Blackford and Brendan O’Hara had expenses claims totally £760,000 from the UK Parliament. They were the three with the highest claims out of all MPs.
10. Ian Blackford made a 600 mile trip to Skye while complaining about Dominic Cummings making a trip to Durham.
11. Scottish businesses complain that they don't get as much in furlough as colleagues in other parts of the UK
12. SNP have been criticised for failing to pass on money received to help Scottish businesses.
13. Proportionally more elderly Scots died in care homes than anywhere else in UK due to SNP incompetence when it sent sick elderly people from hospitals to care homes. The report looking at this action has been delayed
14. Students were unnecessarily sent back to campuses across Scotland leading to an increase in Covid cases plus students being imprisoned in their halls of residence.
15. Mark John Kerr SNP member of North Lanarkshire Council was charged with sexual abuse.
16. Ian Blackford made an 88-mile round trip at the height of lockdown to visit Broadford hospital. He wasn’t ill and didn’t need to go.
17. Peter Murrell although SNP chief executive knows nothing about what the leader of the SNP says or does nor what goes on in his own house. Sturgeon know just as little about him.
18. SNP claimed EU left a light on for Scotland, but it was the SNP that paid for the stunt
19. Linda Fabiani*SNP MSP telling Linda Evans “I am afraid that I am becoming uncomfortable” with questions and answers at the Salmond Inquiry.
20. SNP spent 9 million on laptops for needy school children, but didn’t give them out.
21. SNP appointed Chief Medical Officer for Scotland*Catherine Calderwood*visited her second home despite telling everyone else not to do so.
22. SNP had plans to suspend jury trials during Covid until an outcry made them change their minds
23. Neale Hanvey suspended by SNP for using anti-Semitic language later readmitted
24. Aberdeen*locked down in August, but Glasgow not locked down later despite having many more cases.
25. Angus Robertson looking forward to the death of elderly No voters. Not a good look when the SNP are responsible for care homes.
26. Nicola Sturgeon’s perfect hair that we are supposed to believe she did all by herself even the back
27. Steven Bonnar SNP MP charged over a street disturbance
28. A spreadsheet error delayed the opening of Edinburgh’s Sick Kids hospital. The Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Glasgow was also affected by SNP incompetence in running healthcare in Scotland.
29. SNP are not much better at building bridges as Queensferry crossing is closed because of falling ice shards.
30. John Mason compared IRA murderers to ANC freedom fighters.
31.*John Mason refuses to represent unionists.
32. Alyn Smith SNP MP tells people they are on an SNP naughty step database.
33.*Alex Wilson SNP councillor got together with his wife when he was twenty and she was thirteen.
34.*Angus MacNeil charged the taxpayer for the cost of his hotel when entertaining his mistress
35. Angus MacNeil had three in a bed sex with 17 and 18 year old girls
36. Stuart Hosie stepped down after revelations about his extra marital affair
37. There is rumoured to be a super injunction taken out by a senior SNP politician about something we are not allowed to talk about.
38.*Scotland*keeps falling down the world’s educational league tables
39. Mark MacDonald SNP MSP suspended by party after admitting his inappropriate behaviour caused a woman considerable distress
40. Frank Anderson SNP councillor suspended for sharing an anti-Semitic blog
41. Michelle Thomson withdrew herself from the SNP whip over police investigations into fraud. The case was later dropped.
42. *KennyMaclaren SNP councillor suspended for book burning.
43. Former SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh was found guilty of professional misconduct and fined £3000.
44. Lewis Ritchie SNP councillor suspended over an alleged fracas at the SNP party conference
45. *Donnie Kerr SNP councillor suspended for describing a colleague as a “stupid bitch” during a meeting.
46. Alex Salmond accused of sexual assault and attempted rape. He was acquitted. He did admit to having consensual sex.
47. Alex Salmond accused of bullying members of staff.
48. There was allegedly a policy of not allowing female workers to be alone with Alex Salmond.
49. Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of failing to cooperate with the Salmond inquiry. Is this because there is something damaging about what she knew during the independence referendum in 2014 or is it for another reason?
50. Peter Murrell has been accused of obstructing the Salmond inquiry. What is he trying to hide? Why does he need a law firm to help him keep his secrets?
51. Humza Yousaf SNP MSP and Transport Minister was caught driving without insurance.
52. Joan McAlpine used public money to pay her lover’s wife to take photographs
53.*Nicola Sturgeon loses £10 Billion deal with China after the Chinese described the negotiations as a Scottish shambles.
54. Sandra White made an anti-Semitic retweet. She said she did so accidentally
55. Alex Salmond spent £20,000 of taxpayer’s money trying to hide EU legal advice that did not exist
56. Susan Aitken SNP Glasgow Council leader accused of nepotism after husband’s company allowed to rent property for £1 a year
57. Elspeth Kerr Glenn Elder and Russell Robertson SNP councillors resigned the whip due to intimidation and bullying
58. Eva Bolander SNP Lord Provost of Glasgow resigned over £8000 expenses used to buy clothes, shoes and beauty products.
59. Susan Aitken accused of misuse of expenses involving taxis.
60. SNP MP Alyn Smith called for black and disabled representatives to be removed from the SNP’s ruling body because they hindered the push for independence.
61. Susan Aitken reported to watchdog over sectarian smear. She claimed it was a joke
62. David McDonald and Susan Aitken reported to Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland over alleged bias.
63.*Nicola Sturgeon gave a character reference to a convicted fraudster Abdul Rauf.
64.*Lisa Cameron opposes the sale of council houses but buys ex council properties to form a £630,000 property portfolio.
65.*Chris Law breached advertising rules on his property website.
66.*Chris Law investigated over his tax affairs and property interests.
67.*Ash Denham handed thousands of pounds to former employees in compensation. Some ex-employees signed gagging clauses.
68.*Corri Wilson accused of nepotism after employing both her son and her daughter after being elected an MP
69. Paul Monaghan apologised after posting an anti-Semitic tweet
70.* Gillian Martin sacked by Sturgeon before starting job as Minister for Education due to online slurs about Jews and black people
71. SNP spent more on a by election in Shetland than they did on the EU referendum. Perhaps they wanted Remain to lose.
72. Craig Melville a Dundee councillor found guilty of sending racist text messages.
73. Dave Doogan an SNP councillor made anti-English comments involving red-coats and quislings.
74. SNP figures involved in a Game of Thrones style feud in Dundee.
75. Chris Law accused of humiliating local councillor Roisin Smith while she worked in his constituency office
76. Jeane Freeman offers to help Angela Haggerty with her Asda shopping in the midst of the Covid crisis.
77. Chris Cullen accused of making IRA jibes.
78. Brendan O’Hara used sectarian language calling Rangers supporters Huns
79. Humza Yousaf deletes tweet mourning the death of gangland figure Omer Sadiq
80.* Bill Walker MSP jailed for 12 months for domestic abuse
81. Hannah Bardell refuses to apologise after playing football in the House of Commons
82. Hannah Bardell writes in 2015 about Alex Salmond “I cannot think of anyone who has done more to help women, and men, to progress under his guidance.”
83. Mhairi Black becomes the first MP in history to use the C word in Parliament
84. Ian Blackford is accused of making the last few months of Charles Kennedy’s life a misery.
86. Steven Bonnar gets involved in a street clash over a Celtic flag
*87. Alan Brown becomes the first MP to use the phrase “Get it up ye” in Parliament. Hansard asks for a translator.
88. Douglas Chapman gloats about English Covid deaths
89 SNP described as Scottish Nookie Party after councillor Keith Robertson’s wife is a hooker
90 Serena Cowdy joked about MP Stewart Hosie having trysts with her in his M&S Y fronts. He also shared her with MP Angus MacNeil, but his underwear or lack of it is not described.
91.* MSP Kenny Gibson was involved in a complicated love triangle with MP wife Patricia Gibson and a married party aide.
92. Patricia Gibson fell asleep in the Commons but denied it.
93. Peter Grant apologised after writing “Jacob is a Catholic Brexiteer. On Fridays he only sells out fishermen.”*
94. Mhairi Black was heard to say, “It took every fibre in my being not to put the nut on every one of them,” Apparently Mhairi wished to remake Kill Bill in a Tartan jumpsuit armed only with her head
94. Alyn Smith apologised after describing the Brexit Party as a money laundering front.
95. Jordan Henderson Alyn Smith’s partner abused SNP women because they disagreed with him
96. Alex Salmond was allegedly involved in sexual misconduct at Edinburgh Airport in 2008, but no one in the SNP knew anything whatsoever about there being any similar allegations during the independence referendum campaign.
97. Angus Robertson allegedly knew about the incident at Edinburgh Airport, but he didn't tell anyone else because no one knew about Salmond's alleged reputation in 2014.*
98 Nicola Sturgeon has struggles with basic pronunciation. She thinks the word “Ferrier” is pronounced “Covid”. F is fuh Nicola. C is cuh.
99. Nicola Sturgeon dogwhistles about closing the border with England then says “nothing to do with me” when Scottish nationalists dressed up like the cast of Chernobyl take her at her word.
100. Peter Murrell sends texts about opening a second front against Salmond, which rather confirms Salmond’s claim that there was a political conspiracy against him.
101.*Alex Salmond promised to “we’d either have Theresa May or Nicola Sturgeon or Ruth Davidson or Melania Trump, but I couldn’t make any of these wonderful women come” The joke is even worse now.
102.*Alex Salmond is asked to provide details of spending £467,000 on a trip to Ryder cup. Surely his tartan trousers couldn't have cost that much.
103. Nicola Sturgeon claims to have failed to tell MSPs about a meeting with Alex Salmond dealing with alleged sexual misconduct because she had forgotten about it. The dog had also eat her* homework.*
104. SNP cashed in on Covid by selling face masks with the SNP logo on them. Apparently upside down odal runes ward off Covid germs.*
105. STV clip of children praising Nicola Sturgeon is compared to North Korea. Of course no one from the SNP contacted STV to ask them to make the clip.
106.*Yen Hongmei Jin Scotland's only Chinese councillor quits the SNP because of racism and bullying.*
107.**Julie McAnulty SNP councillor and Holyrood candidate is suspended after saying "get the p*kis out the party"
108.**Paul Monaghan told a racist cybernat to keep it up.*
109. Nicola Sturgeon breaks social distancing rules in Holyrood but locks down the rest of Scotland
110.**James Dornan*and Fergal Dalton pose in front of a banned Irish republican terrorist group's flag
111.*Moira Shemilt accused of anti-English xenophobia in online rant.*
112. Derek Mackay boasted about chairing the SNP conference while drunk and was banned from attending the karaoke. This was not on account of his singing.*
113.*Michael Matheson loaned Prestwick Airport £43 million, but has no idea if he will get the money back.
114. Angus Robertson claimed £400 in expenses*for a home cinema system. He claimed that the DVD player was bought to catch up on political programmes and that he used the fact that it also had a build in radio.
115.*Alex MacLeod fiddled his election expenses*and flouted a court order handed down for the offence.*
116. Jennifer Robertson, wife of Angus, goes into business* setting up Spey Media with the disgraced Alex MacLeod
117. Pete Wishart claimed twice for the rental of the same flat on his expenses,*but claims it was all due to faulty paperwork.*
118. Jeane Freeman claimed to work 376 days in one year.
119. Stewart Maxwell gets job with state owned company which required local and national political connections after giving up job as MSP leading to questions being raised about lobbying.*
120. Peter Murrell said that he never asked his wife Nicola Sturgeon what her meeting with Alex Salmond was about. He also had no knowledge of how the complaints against Salmond were investigated by the Scottish Government.*
121.*Joanna Cherry falsely accused*nurse Claire Austin of being married to a Tory after the nurse confronted Nicola Sturgeon on TV. Cherry later apologised
122.*Joanna Cherry criticised Emily Thornberry for missing a vote when Thornberry was visiting her child in hospital.*
123. SNP allegedly gagged journalist Stephen Daisley when he worked for STV
124 Nick Robinson required a body guard to do his work due to Scottish nationalists
125. Sarah Smith grovels in apology over the suggestion that Nicola Sturgeon was enjoying setting her own rules over Covid. Not that there was any pressure put on her.
126.*Devi Sridhar hints at disagreement with Sturgeon, but a little later says she is completely aligned*with her. Ruth Davidson suspects the use of a hair drying in the background. Afterwards Ms Sridhar goes native by accusing "unionists" of being anti-Scottish.
127. Lewis Ritchie arrested and charged over alleged sexual offences in Edinburgh and Glasgow.
128. Jim Sillars claimed that Alex Salmond had shown him evidence that the allegations against Salmond were a political set up.*
129.**Ashten Regan-Denham used her maiden speech at Holyrood to state that education was not a commodity*to be bought and sold, but she sends her own children to a fee paying private school.
130. Alex Salmond put pressure on St Andrews University head Louise Richardson over independence. She was urged to issue a statement praising the Scottish Government.
131. Imtiaz Majid lied in court in an attempt to get a divorce on the cheap but got a £50,000 bill instead.
132. Caroline Stephen had her £4000 council tax debt paid off by a colleague so she could take part in a budge vote.*
133. Gregor Murray was suspended for two months as a councillor over derogatory remarks.*
134. David Linden is unable to speak English in the House of Commons
135. David Linden is perhaps the first MP to use the word "cr*p" in the House of Commons, but withdraws it
136. Kenny MacAskill believes there were dark forces at work in the Salmond trial.
137. Pete Wishart suggests ways to break the law if he doesn't get his way. Isn't failing to take No for an answer the route of nearly all of the SNP's scandals?
138. Joanna Cherry wants the SNP to investigate ways of breaking the law. It's an odd look for a QC. Why should the rest of us obey the law?
139.**Natalie McGarry agreed to pay £10,000 to charity for falsely calling a unionist a Holocaust denier.*
140.*Anne McLaughlin claims her Rastafarian*boyfriend is being denied his human right to smoke cannabis. He is also employed*by her.*
141. Derek MacKay is still claiming expenses*for a second home despite not voting.
142. SNP tried to block the newspaper that reported the Derek Mackay texting scandal. What other stories has the SNP successfully blocked?
143. Margaret Ferrier went to church while ill with Covid putting the lives of elderly church goers at risk.*
144. SNP were warned about allegations of domestic abuse against Bill Walker three years before he was elected
145. Douglas Chapman claims that the "moral code was very different" when Bill Walker was beating his wife.*
146. SNP condemn the decision to open the files on Arthur Donaldson founder of the SNP who was interned during World War II for supporting the Germans.
147. Tommy Shepherd says old people dying will reignite the independence campaign.*
148. Alex Salmond*blamed "elderly Scots, who were most hostile to leaving the UK, for holding back younger generations and argued that independence is inevitable after they die off."
149. Peter Murrell admits sending texts encouraging the police to take a greater interest in Alex Salmond*
150. Nicola Sturgeon had earlier refused to confirm whether her husband had sent the texts. She said that she was not prepared to answer for other people, but denied obstructing the inquiry.*
I can give press links to everyone of those if required.
Extremely interested in hearing your thoughts are you've read that lot.
In fact I'm looking forward to it..
You'll be in for a long wait then!!!:lol:
No way am I going to sift through that lot - I've got a movie to watch!:ner:
I think you should try and hide your Tory fanboy status a bit better though, including your hatred of Labour, SNP, and particular Nicola Sturgeon... In fact, if I didn't know better, I might think that your obsession in that area is because you fancy her:eek::D
I reckon she'd be into bondage though, and give a good diddy-ride.
Marco.
Milky does like her strap on
I'm certainly no Tory...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Pull the other one!
Marco.
Milky does like her strap on
:lolsign: I can defo imagine her being the 'boss in the bedroom'...
'Ye've goat mare chance of getting a ride aff of Amanda Holden, than puttin' that excuse for a boabby anywhere near ma fud!'
:D:D
Marco.
Hell no, it was copy and pasted from..
https://www.effiedeans.com/p/function-loadthearchivetotalfeed-var.html
Well worth a look at that site, well maybe not for the SNP sheep who will completely ignore all wrong doings and blindly follow Nicoliar.
Yes, just like you do with Boris!:ner:
Marco.
InThe Sticks
24-10-2020, 19:13
No way am I going to sift through that lot - I've got a movie to watch!
Marco.
Braveheart again? You do know that its not a party political broadcast, don't you?
And for what's its worth I voted Labour last GE, but now they are completely unelectable.
Anyhoo, my buddy dropped over a rather nice bottle of bubbles for me replacing his injectors, so the fire pit will be lit and I'll probably wake up in the pond at 3am.
Again :doh:
Quality... Just make sure it hasn't been drained before you try and dive in!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Channel Hopper
24-10-2020, 20:04
Anyhoo, my buddy dropped over a rather nice bottle of bubbles for me replacing his injectors, so the fire pit will be lit and I'll probably wake up in the pond at 3am.
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Is that a euphemism ?
(or three) ?
Although no lover of the SNP you could probably make similar lists on other parties as well. Nice to see the saintly SNP ( as some seem to think) brought down a peg or 2 though ;)
Happy reading Marco :)
Lol - no idea what you mean by the "saintly SNP"... And as I've said before, I only support Scottish independence [as I abhor unjust English Westminster rule and support Scotland's right to be in charge of its own destiny], that's all, nothing else. I'm not a Sturgeon or SNP fanboy.
There'll be no "happy reading" either, as I've got better things to waste my time on than that pish!
Marco.
Although no lover of the SNP you could probably make similar lists on other parties as well.
Of course you could, but as with anything like this you have to wonder how true some of it is. Politics these days is all about slinging mud and hoping some sticks.
I picked one of the more interesting ones - 42. *Kenny Maclaren SNP councillor suspended for book burning.
Book burning? Sounds like the Nazis. But what was the truth?
And in fact a quick search shows that no books were burnt. What they actually burnt were some copies of The Smith Commission Report (yes, I had to look that up too) as a publicity stunt.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-councillors-suspended-burning-copies-5352635
And then you wonder how many of the others are true...
Whilst I couldn't care less whether the Scots go independent or not I don't like the SNP because they are socialists. Even so just goes to show you can't believe everything you read, even if you'd really like to.
walpurgis
25-10-2020, 09:32
Can you burn a Kindle? :scratch:
yes, ideally use a flamethrower.
Good post. most of which I concur with, especially this:
Even so just goes to show you can't believe everything you read, even if you'd really like to.
Indeed. And also *wanting* to believe as FACT that which you've read best fits your belief system or political bias, using it as 'proof' to support its veracity, and in turn creating a false smug belief of 'correctness', in an attempt to score points against others with different beliefs!;)
Hilarious.
Marco.
Of course you could, but as with anything like this you have to wonder how true some of it is. Politics these days is all about slinging mud and hoping some sticks.
I picked one of the more interesting ones - 42. *Kenny Maclaren SNP councillor suspended for book burning.
Book burning? Sounds like the Nazis. But what was the truth?
And in fact a quick search shows that no books were burnt. What they actually burnt were some copies of The Smith Commission Report (yes, I had to look that up too) as a publicity stunt.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-councillors-suspended-burning-copies-5352635
And then you wonder how many of the others are true...
Whilst I couldn't care less whether the Scots go independent or not I don't like the SNP because they are socialists. Even so just goes to show you can't believe everything you read, even if you'd really like to.
socialist ideals per say are not bad; quite the opposite, but like most things, shouldn't be taken too far. Once you start heading into a "nanny state" then that is not socialist, but more communist imv.
PS, if Scotland did ever get independance, the SNP would be one of the first to go after the uk controlled so called Scottish tories and Scottish Labour who are just puppets; hence why they do so badly now.
socialist ideals per say are not bad; quite the opposite, but like most things, shouldn't be taken too far. Once you start heading into a "nanny state" then that is not socialist, but more communist imv.
PS, if Scotland did ever get independance, the SNP would be one of the first to go after the uk controlled so called Scottish tories and Scottish Labour who are just puppets; hence why they do so badly now.
I dislike all political ideologies, not just socialism.
I dislike ALL forms of extremism, which is why I hate 'ist' and 'ism' labels, as they're too black and white and only represent one way: 'my way or the highway', when no such rigid way is ever right. Such selfish and blinkered absolutism only leads to division and hatred.
I like 'happy mediums' and middle grounds, as that's usually where there's most chance of achieving fairness and equality for everyone, in all aspects of life, which is my mantra. The biggest problem with the world, especially now, is the existence of GROSS INEQUALITY, especially when it comes to the division of wealth.
However, I also support entrepreneurialism, and the right to 'build one's own empire', within reason. Therefore, I believe that personal wealth, whilst allowed to flourish, should always be capped and never provide any single person, or small groups of people, with such levels of power, that it gives them the ability to impose control or rule over huge sectors of human life, solely in the pursuit of personal gain.
So with that in mind, stick whichever political label on me you like!:D
Marco.
walpurgis
25-10-2020, 10:42
So with that in mind, stick whichever political label on me you like!:D
Marco.
I'll give that some thought. ;)
Pigmy Pony
25-10-2020, 11:09
I dislike ALL forms of extremism, which is why I hate 'ist' and 'ism' labels, as they're too black and white and only represent one way: 'my way or the highway', when no such rigid way is ever right. Such selfish and blinkered absolutism only leads to division and hatred.
I like 'happy mediums' and middle grounds, as that's usually where there's most chance of achieving fairness and equality for everyone, in all aspects of life, which is my mantra. The biggest problem with the world, especially now, is the existence of GROSS INEQUALITY, especially when it comes to the division of wealth.
However, I also support entrepreneurialism, and the right to 'build one's own empire', within reason. Therefore, I believe that personal wealth, whilst allowed to flourish, should always be capped and never provide any single person, or small groups of people, with such levels of power, that it gives them the ability to impose control or rule over huge sectors of human life, solely in the pursuit of personal gain.
So with that in mind, stick whichever political label on me you like!:D
Marco.
The "Idealist in a Vague Way" party. :ner: I got it it printed on a label for you. Where would you like it to be stuck? :eyebrows:
Yesh, shweety... Can I tell you which 'special place' I'd like it stuck in?
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
25-10-2020, 11:23
Yesh, shweety... Can I tell you which 'special place' I'd like it stuck in?
Marco.
Think you could stick it to one side of your 'special place' - the label is quite stiff, and if placed correctly, and with a bit of practice, your farts could play a tune. Like a walking kazoo :)
I dislike ALL forms of extremism, which is why I hate 'ist' and 'ism' labels, as they're too black and white and only represent one way: 'my way or the highway', when no such rigid way is ever right. Such selfish and blinkered absolutism only leads to division and hatred.
I like 'happy mediums' and middle grounds, as that's usually where there's most chance of achieving fairness and equality for everyone, in all aspects of life, which is my mantra. The biggest problem with the world, especially now, is the existence of GROSS INEQUALITY, especially when it comes to the division of wealth.
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The division of wealth thing always interested me. What would happen if we pooled all the wealth in the world and divided it out equally?
If you don't count derivatives but do count everything else then there's approx £175.5 trillion dollars of wealth in the world. Assume 7 billion people so if we whacked it out we'd each get £25,000 dollars. Bear in mind that this includes the value of property so a lot of us would be considerably poorer. However the poorest 2 billion people would be 25000 times wealthier than they are now.
Trouble is this does not take into account debt. Global debt (individuals and countries) is approximately 200 trillion dollars. So if we clear all the debt before dividing up the wealth we're left with minus 25 trillion dollars. In other words we'd each be left with a net debt of $3.5K.
Those already in more debt than that would no doubt find this welcome. For the rest of us not so much, including the poorest 2 billion who would actually be much worse off than they are now. But it would be fair and equal.
thought world debt was about 65 trillion dollars... just cancel the whole debt thing.. that will take the smile off a few faces:lol:
Martin, by 'fair and equal', as with everything else (as I'm a 'happy medium' guy), I mean *within reason* and as far as possible. Perhaps I should rephrase it as (much) fairer and more equal than it is now?
And major steps should be taken, in order to achieve that. As I've said before, the BIGGEST beef I have with the division of wealth that currently exists, is that such vast amounts of the world's wealth is divided among so few people - the 'super elite'.
In my world, there would be NO multi-BILLIONAIRES, verging on or becoming TRILLIONAIRES:nono:
You'd be allowed to attain a certain level of personal wealth, say for talking sake, £50 million, and then be forced to donate the rest (in a properly controlled and managed way) to the poor and needy worldwide, and in the process begin to build a fair(er) and more equal world than the one that currently exists!
Marco.
Martin, by 'fair and equal', as with everything else (as I'm a 'happy medium' guy), I mean *within reason* and as far as possible. Perhaps I should rephrase it as (much) fairer and more equal than it is now?
And major steps should be taken, in order to achieve that. As I've said before, the BIGGEST beef I have with the division of wealth that currently exists, is that such vast amounts of the world's wealth is divided among so few people - the 'super elite'.
In my world, there would be NO multi-BILLIONAIRES, verging on or becoming TRILLIONAIRES. You'd be allowed to attain a certain level of personal wealth, say for talking sake, £50 million, and then be forced to donate the rest (in a properly controlled and managed way) to the poor and needy worldwide, and in the process begin to build a fair(er) and more equal world than the one which currently exists!
Marco.
so your into big brother tactics :eyebrows:
No. What makes you say that?:scratch:
There are ways and means of doing things as upfront and fairly as possible, without needing to be underhand or devious.
Marco.
The division of wealth thing always interested me. What would happen if we pooled all the wealth in the world and divided it out equally?
If you don't count derivatives but do count everything else then there's approx £175.5 trillion dollars of wealth in the world. Assume 7 billion people so if we whacked it out we'd each get £25,000 dollars. Bear in mind that this includes the value of property so a lot of us would be considerably poorer. However the poorest 2 billion people would be 25000 times wealthier than they are now.
Trouble is this does not take into account debt. Global debt (individuals and countries) is approximately 200 trillion dollars. So if we clear all the debt before dividing up the wealth we're left with minus 25 trillion dollars. In other words we'd each be left with a net debt of $3.5K.
Those already in more debt than that would no doubt find this welcome. For the rest of us not so much, including the poorest 2 billion who would actually be much worse off than they are now. But it would be fair and equal.
I'm not good with finances (my wife regularly reminds me of this :)), but surely the total debt of 200 trillion dollars is owed to someone/s, so wouldn't that all go in to the pot and be part of the distributed "wealth" :scratch:
I'm not good with finances (my wife regularly reminds me of this :)), but surely the total debt of 200 trillion dollars is owed to someone/s, so wouldn't that all go in to the pot and be part of the distributed "wealth" :scratch:
Well have to admit my post was a bit tongue in cheek. Just wanted to point out that the whole thing with money and debt is complex and it isn't as simple as just doing a Robin Hood and robbing from the rich to give to the poor.
As far as the debt goes that's 'money' that is created out of thin air. If you borrow £100K off the bank to buy a house they don't actually give you £100K of their own money out of the vaults. So no, you can't count the debt as wealth.
Also it isn't a zero-sum game. If Geoff Bezos gets richer that doesn't mean someone else has to get poorer. So the idea that people hoarding vast sums of money means there is less for the rest of us doesn't hold water. Nevertheless, blaming rich people for poverty does play well in the sticks.
Marco's point about individuals being wealthy enough to influence the political process does have some merit to it. But really it's mostly the big corporations that have that power, not individuals.
Added to which wealthy individuals can't actually access most of that wealth. Most is in shares which they can't just cash in for various reasons. Bezos may be 'worth' $170 billion but he doesn't have that in cash at bank.
Once you compare that to government spending, it's a drop in the ocean. UK government spent £772 billion in 2016-2017 - US Federal government spent over $4 trillion last year.
Even if you confiscate all the super wealthy people's 'money' it would be gone in a matter of months and wouldn't change things very much if at all.
Pigmy Pony
25-10-2020, 13:12
Well have to admit my post was a bit tongue in cheek. Just wanted to point out that the whole thing with money and debt is complex and it isn't as simple as just doing a Robin Hood and robbing from the rich to give to the poor.
As far as the debt goes that's 'money' that is created out of thin air. If you borrow £100K off the bank to buy a house they don't actually give you £100K of their own money out of the vaults. So no, you can't count the debt as wealth.
But surely the bank needs to have that money kept somewhere in some form? This is what I can't get my head around - this global debt must be owed to someone on this planet who had that money to lend.
But surely the bank needs to have that money kept somewhere in some form? This is what I can't get my head around - this global debt must be owed to someone on this planet who had that money to lend.
A 'high street bank' has to have - in theory - ten percent of the money it lends in actual concrete assets. The rest it produces out of thin air. That £100k mortgage has £10K in the vaults and the other £90K is 'created' when you borrow it.
Merchant banks - gambling on the international unregulated global casino aka 'the stock markets' - have no such restriction. They used to but then it was decided that was a bad idea. Result was the financial crash in 2008.
Google 'fiat currency' and 'fractional reserve banking.'
walpurgis
25-10-2020, 13:26
Wealth and worth should include assets. Of course there are regional factors to consider, to a fisherman in the east Pacific the cost of a car here is a lifetime's money.
Wealth and worth should include assets. Of course there are regional factors to consider, to a fisherman in the east Pacific the cost of a car here is a lifetime's money.
Which is why he wouldn't be too happy with a fair and equal share-out. He wouldn't even be able to service a $3.5K debt let alone ever pay it off.
Pigmy Pony
25-10-2020, 13:39
Going on Martin's earlier posted figures, I can't see many people wanting to 'redistribute the wealth', not until they've satisfied themselves that they won't personally be any worse off. Fred Bloggs next door is told that he must give up his £200,000 house and move into a £100,000 flat in order to distribute the wealth fairly. Fred didn't see that coming, and wishes he hadn't voted for it.
I have five Chunky Kit Kats in the fridge, would I have to hand any of them over? I need them for my butty box next week, and I'd hate to think of them going to some no-mark who isn't even working :(
My wife is right (as always), I found myself switching off and thinking about ham sandwiches (with English mustard) when I got as far as "flat currency" and "fractional reserve banking" :hmm:
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I have five Chunky Kit Kats in the fridge, would I have to hand any of them over? I need them for my butty box next week, and I'd hate to think of them going to some no-mark who isn't even working :(
This is my level/kind of thinking :)
Just noticed, the dog is sitting next to me salivating while I eat my ham sandwich - I will redistribute a bit (maybe a tithe)
Pigmy Pony
25-10-2020, 14:47
Just noticed, the dog is sitting next to me salivating while I eat my ham sandwich - I will redistribute a bit (maybe a tithe)
Your dog is seeing you as one of the top 1% earners in the world, and he would love your wealth to be re-distributed. But he won't say anything because he loves you unconditionally :)
Marco's point about individuals being wealthy enough to influence the political process does have some merit to it. But really it's mostly the big corporations that have that power, not individuals.
And so what about the individuals who own the big companies, one of which you mentioned earlier (Bezos), and someone who's profited MASSIVELY from the Coronavirus pandemic, and with the slow (but sure in time) death of the high-street, is set to become even richer and more influential in future!;)
He's someone I'd love to 'relieve' of a few billion, but most importantly in the process, GROSSLY REDUCE his influence on how people shop, thus keeping his monopolizing tendencies in check and handing more power back to the high street!! Gates and Larry Page would be two others I'd gladly 'demonetize'.
Marco.
And so what about the individuals who own the big companies, one of which you mentioned earlier (Bezos), and someone who's profited MASSIVELY from the Coronavirus pandemic, and with the slow (but sure in time) death of the high-street, is set to become even wealthier and more influential in future!;)
He's someone I'd love to 'relieve' of a few billion, but most importantly in the process, GROSSLY REDUCE his influence on how people shop, thus keeping his monopolizing tendencies in check and handing more power back to the high street!! Gates and Larry Page would be two others I'd gladly 'demonetize'.
Marco.
That would be one approach but it would be very difficult for a number of reasons. You subdue Bezos/Amazon another pops up to take his place. The market always runs ahead of legislation so you're always playing catch-up. Plus by making such significant changes in what in business is legal and what isn't you risk running into lot of unintended consequences many of which would be counter-productice.
As Tony Soprano says, 'Every thing you do affects some facet of everything else.'
A more effective approach would be to establish a rival influence on government thus offsetting the power of the corporations. You don't change the system to win, you game the system to win. With the internet this is no longer an impossible dream. Doubt it will ever happen though.
That would be one approach but it would be very difficult for a number of reasons. You subdue Bezos/Amazon another pops up to take his place.
Not if you prevent them from doing so by 'disincentivizing' the accruing of huge wealth, from ground roots level up. If you know from day one you're only going to be allowed to earn so much, or it'll be taken from you and given to others who need it more, then you're less likely to want to become another Bezos!
A more effective approach would be to establish a rival influence on government thus offsetting the power of the corporations. You don't change the system to win, you game the system to win. With the internet this is no longer an impossible dream. Doubt it will ever happen though.
Possibly, but I don't like 'sticking plasters'; I prefer fundamentally fixing problems *at source*, so would seek to change the system, as the current one is rotten to the core. And it could be done IF you had enough power and influence, but used it for the benefit of good, not evil....
Who or what decides how 'the system' works? THAT is what I'd attack first with all my might!
Marco.
Firebottle
25-10-2020, 15:54
What really gets my goat is the betting on currency fluctuations or commodity prices when no added worth is generated.
It just seems that money is taken out of the overall system without any concern of profit or loss.
Doesn't seem ethical to me.
Oh Steve, put me down for one of the chunky Kit-Kat's.
What really gets my goat is the betting on currency fluctuations or commodity prices when no added worth is generated.
It just seems that money is taken out of the overall system without any concern of profit or loss.
Doesn't seem ethical to me.
Oh Steve, put me down for one of the chunky Kit-Kat's.
I don't know but I'd make an educated guess the currency markets alone employ hundreds of thousands of people world-wide from the top brokers down to the office cleaners. Plus you still have to pay tax on your profits. And all those people have to pay tax on their salary and on almost everything they buy with the remainder. Which they spend on goods and services thus spreading it around.
So it isn't wealth creation but it is economic activity which you need too.
No thoughts on post 4375?:)
Marco.
as martin says bezos may be richest person on planet but its mostly stocks and shares i think. his salary isnt huge from amazon. he has had lots of good ideas and probably deserves his wealth, not to say its still obscene but if people are not incentivized then the improvements etc may never happen. its maybe just a shame that money is the incentive, or at least the end product.
of course if you then use the money to help the deprived, you then get criticized for trying to do all kinds of stuff...its a black old world
Pigmy Pony
25-10-2020, 16:45
Always an education for me Martin, reading your posts. keep up the good work!
Sorry Alan, I ate your Kit Kat. But I'll have another one for you when we next meet, I promise :)
No thoughts on post 4375?:)
Marco.
Don't agree for the reasons in my post prior to that.
Fair enough, I do, and would derive ENOUROUS delight from implementing it!!:D;)
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than taking those c*nts down a peg or two. And the Royal Family would be next, especially peado Prince Andrew!! :guns:
Marco.
as martin says bezos may be richest person on planet but its mostly stocks and shares i think. his salary isnt huge from amazon.
So the figures quoted for his wealth in the Rich List are false? It's not just earnings or cash in the bank that makes you rich, but ASSETS, stocks and shares included, with a significant monetary value, and which of course you can SELL for a fortune when the time is right, and then put it all in the bank then!;)
How much did Gates make when he sold Microsoft? And how much would Bezos make, if right now, he sold Amazon..?
Marco.
Oh, and as I asked earlier:
Who or what decides how 'the system' works?
:popcorn:
And who or what 'created' the current one? Anyone care to answer that?:)
Marco.
Your dog is seeing you as one of the top 1% earners in the world, and he would love your wealth to be re-distributed. But he won't say anything because he loves you unconditionally :)
you obviously understand dogs :cool:
Mikeandvan
25-10-2020, 22:32
As long as we have capitalism we will have the morality of the market, that is the market decides. People shop online because they get exactly what they want, at the best price, usually anyway there are exceptions. The internet brings with it a tendency to monopoly because it feeds a world wide market, so your average shopkeeper can now broaden his market to not only his local high st, but the entire fucking world!! Admittedly this wont't work if someone in outer Mongolia wants a pint of goats milk, but it will work for say a cycle shop. Has it killed the high street? Well the shops just get turned into something else, like another bloody coffee shop, or a charity shop, yeh its killed the street, this is only the beginning, like I said, its unstoppable, the morality of the market always wins.
KnuckleDragger
25-10-2020, 22:47
For some reason the UK Column video hosted by Brian Gerrish is still listed as a must see several months on.
Brian Gerrish is a known wako. I've had the displeasure of meeting him.
He is responsible for supporting a convicted peadophile. He supports Freeman on the land nonsense. For those who are unaware of this. It is a wako belief that we are all enslaved at birth in statute law. Blah, blah, nonsense, birth certificate, law of the land, Common purpose, Neurolinguistic programming.
The guy and his UK Column news paper and youtube channel make an interesting psychology study if nothing else. Suffice to say...take anything put out by these nutters with a pinch of salt.
Please check out this link about him on rational wiki:-
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Brian_Gerrish
As long as we have capitalism we will have the morality of the market, that is the market decides. People shop online because they get exactly what they want, at the best price, usually anyway there are exceptions. The internet brings with it a tendency to monopoly because it feeds a world wide market, so your average shopkeeper can now broaden his market to not only his local high st, but the entire fucking world!! Admittedly this wont't work if someone in outer Mongolia wants a pint of goats milk, but it will work for say a cycle shop. Has it killed the high street? Well the shops just get turned into something else, like another bloody coffee shop, or a charity shop, yeh its killed the street, this is only the beginning, like I said, its unstoppable, the morality of the market always wins.
Good post, Mike. I fully concur. So essentially then you're saying that capitalism has 'created' the current 'system'? Too many years under Tory rule, I guess?:rolleyes:
As I said, that's the problem with 'isms': they're too extreme ONE WAY, and capitalism in that respect is no different from socialism or communism. Extremes of ANYTHING are never the answer!:nono:
However, all to some extent have good points, so if you could take all of those and combine them into a new 'ism'. that might be the answer. 'Rationalism', perhaps?
However, the problem is those behind whatever 'ism' represents the bias of the political party in power, only ever want their policies to be true to the values of their chosen 'ism', so you end up with the extremes of those 'isms', instead of happy mediums, and with ordinary people being subjected to the worst of those extremes, which with capitalism is the grossly unjust and unfair division of wealth and opportunities.
However, people are also their own worst enemies and, so along with capitalist-minded Tories, have helped create 'the system' we have now. When shopping, people today (although count me out) are WAY too driven by price and convenience, and not enough by QUALITY, so the mantra has for some time now always been 'cheap as possible is best', together with the minimum possible effort required to get it, simply because no-one today has any time!:doh:
Therefore, it's no wonder then that the high street is dying, in terms of the existence of shops that are actually worth having, not cheap, chavvy convenience shite, charity shops and mediocre eateries. So 'the people' [today's couch potato, mouse-clicking shoppers] have got what they wanted, or perhaps what their lazy, superficial, dumb-ass behaviour has created. Hell mend them - and it will only get worse!
Marco.
Btw, I went shopping yesterday in Lidl for the first time since the buying of 'non-essentials' were banned - and.... IT WAS GREAT!:D
Car park was deserted, shop was half empty, shelves stocked full of everything I was after, and no queues at checkouts - result!:yay: So they can keep this up for as long as they like, as far as I'm concerned;)
More seriously though... This is *totally wrong*, and no wonder the poor woman was upset: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/10/26/tesco-apologises-after-barring-sale-of-sanitary-products-in-wels/
Defo an 'essential item', and so insensitive of whoever was responsible not to consider it as such. Del would've been raging if it'd been her, although fortunately she keeps good stocks of those sorts of things!
Marco.
Mikeandvan
27-10-2020, 21:02
Btw, I went shopping yesterday in Lidl for the first time since the buying of 'non-essentials' were banned - and.... IT WAS GREAT!:D
Car park was deserted, shop was half empty, shelves stocked full of everything I was after, and no queues at checkouts - result!:yay: So they can keep this up for as long as they like, as far as I'm concerned;)
More seriously though... This is *totally wrong*, and no wonder the poor woman was upset: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/10/26/tesco-apologises-after-barring-sale-of-sanitary-products-in-wels/
Defo an 'essential item', and so insensitive of whoever was responsible not to consider it as such. Del would've been raging if it'd been her, although fortunately she keeps good stocks of those sorts of things!
Marco.
A case of 'computer says no' I think. Yesterday whilst working we stopped at a drive through Costa, they had a height restriction so I couldn't drive through like the cars were, so I walked up to the drive through counter and some twatty little teen starts squeaking at me,'I can't serve you for your own safety!', and I was like, 'no one's gonna run me over', lol, the thing is the main cafe was closed 'cos of covid', sigh, can the world get any stupider.
Mikeandvan
27-10-2020, 21:04
What's happening in Wales is bonkers, it seems the more left wing the government the more severe the lock down, leftists are the new authoritarians.
most of central belt is going into a near lockdown.. no travel etc. im starting to be in 2 minds about how these actions work. inclined to feel they cause more issues than they solve as the people who abuse system will just continue to do so, both during and again after.
we seem to be being hit with a new mutation so if youve had it before i dont think you will be fully protected.
anyway im not getting to go further than the county border again:doh:
InThe Sticks
31-10-2020, 16:33
Looks like we’re about to go into a month long lockdown, announcement will be at 5pm.
At least schools and colleges will stay open.
Utter fucking madness.
indeed.. england tho. not scotland although we could go next i guess. its all been handled very poorly nationwide, but also by some of the public too, who have done their best to cripple our chances due to their selfishness.
InThe Sticks
31-10-2020, 17:15
One only has to look at who can and cannot protest in London.
Muslims ok, BLM ok, but god forbid an anti lockdown protest.
Police in riot gear with batons drawn for the latter, and absolutely fuck all for the first 2.
Why? Oh yeah, Sadiq Khant.
Looks like we’re about to go into a month long lockdown, announcement will be at 5pm.
At least schools and colleges will stay open.
Utter fucking madness.
Welcome to the world we've had for the last week in Wales, mate. However, we know our lockdown will defo be ending on Nov 9th. How long do you think yours will last for?
Marco.
Welcome to the world we've had for the last week in Wales, mate. However, we know our lockdown will defo be ending on Nov 9th. How long do you think yours will last for?
Marco.
looking like a month... up here we are ok to stay in our own health zone i think.. not that i do; i stay in my own postbox:eyebrows:
InThe Sticks
31-10-2020, 17:46
Welcome to the world we've had for the last week in Wales, mate. However, we know our lockdown will defo be ending on Nov 9th. How long do you think yours will last for?
Marco.
God only knows.
I guess a month is minimum, but fuck knows how long they'll drag it out.
One thing I do know is that our younger generation is completely and utterly fucked into oblivion with the debt that'll need paying back. I worry about that.
I still don't really get how say one part of the country should be locked down because another has a far higher R rate.
InThe Sticks
31-10-2020, 17:52
Also, politics aside and despite whoever is in number 10, it's a pretty impossible task to manage.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
mad-moon
31-10-2020, 17:57
Looks like we’re about to go into a month long lockdown, announcement will be at 5pm.
At least schools and colleges will stay open.
Utter fucking madness.
It's utter fucking madness schools and colleges remaining open....the kids are the carriers...the whole of the British Isles needs to go into a 100% lock down..shut every thing except supermarkets and medical facilities....shut the country..no one in and no one out... for at least 3 weeks....then even if that happened..we'd still be pissing against the wind, because this country is full of selfish twats, who know better, till it kills one of their own of course......yes the economy is going to be hit hard, but this needs eradicating..Once it's gone, rebuild..or there'll be no one around to rebuild anything.....
God only knows.
I guess a month is minimum, but fuck knows how long they'll drag it out.
One thing I do know is that our younger generation is completely and utterly fucked into oblivion with the debt that'll need paying back. I worry about that.
I still don't really get how say one part of the country should be locked down because another has a far higher R rate.
Yeah undoubtedly it's a shambles, and I agree with you about the younger generation. I just hope we can successfully get the rates of infection down, hospitilisations, and of course deaths, the latter which for today stood at 326, with 1444 new hospital admissions and 978 on ventilators, so we can all start to get out of this mess as quickly as possible.
Marco.
InThe Sticks
31-10-2020, 18:02
Fuck it, I'm getting hammered on cheap bubbles, at least I can forget about until the morning..
https://i.imgur.com/QA6sxDR.jpg
mad-moon
31-10-2020, 18:02
fuck me..I hope that what I've put isnt omenous....I've just noticed that I've posted on page..."4400"
Fuck it, I'm getting hammered on cheap bubbles, at least I can forget about until the morning..
https://i.imgur.com/QA6sxDR.jpg
that will leave a headache.
i stick to good whisky.. no after effects
Mikeandvan
31-10-2020, 19:12
One only has to look at who can and cannot protest in London.
Muslims ok, BLM ok, but god forbid an anti lockdown protest.
Police in riot gear with batons drawn for the latter, and absolutely fuck all for the first 2.
Why? Oh yeah, Sadiq Khant.
It was touching to see such devoutness amongst the young, especially after 4 people were butchered by Islamists in France last week, wtf have they got to protest about?
Just watched Mark Drakeford announce what will be happening in Wales, after the firebreak on Nov 9th. Travel will be allowed anywhere within Wales, but not outside of it, which is fair enough, and also all pubs, shops and hospitality industries will reopen, along with meeting other folks from one more household, so that's good and will mean our social life is rekindled once more - woo-hoo!:cool:
What we'll have to watch though, and is a potential worry, is all the pissheads from England trying to cross the borders into pubs in Wales, to have a drink, so I just hope that they put some TOUGH measures in place to prevent that. If it were me, I'd just completely close the borders to anyone from either country without an essential need to cross them (work or care-related, etc), and police them accordingly, with HEAVY fines handed out to those who don't comply!
If it were me, I'd put the bloody army on it, and man all borders with machine guns - that'd soon keep the c*nts out!!:guns::guns:
Message to the English, for the duration of the lockdown in England... STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM WALES!!
THANK YOU:thumbsup:
:exactly::sheep:
Marco.
scottish figures are down a bit again.. hoping its a trend. my locale especially was well down
walpurgis
02-11-2020, 14:03
Going by recent figures I think the UK may have just crested the peak of the second infection wave. Of course the immediate post-weekend figures can look high, but we haven't had those yet today. By Wednesday or Thursday we should see more clearly what the trend is. Unfortunately, repeated falls and rises to peaks in infection are probable I think.
Yeah, they might be trying to head for the drugs capitol of the uk WREXHAM
No, that'll be skanky, poluted London!:ner:;)
Marco.
RobbieGong
02-11-2020, 14:18
Leave London out of it you. I aint into skanky trust me and it's a good place to live - behave ! :upyours: :D
I know, daftee... We've been here before - and you can blame that Brian for bringing Wrexham and drugs into it from nowhere!:ner:
Quite simply, what I said before about crossing borders; given the current situation, is entirely fair and justified, and so NO reasonable-minded person should have a problem with it or take umbrage - and I'd support EXACTLY the same thing if it were the other way round, with Wales in lockdown and England open.
In that scenario, I'd be championing for the Welsh to stay the fuck away from England, so this is nothing to do with an anti-England bias, in case anyone mistakenly thinks otherwise!
To be brutally honest, if I were a landlord right now of a Welsh pub, I wouldn't be serving anyone with an English accent *who couldn't prove that they either lived or worked there* - not difficult to do with some form of ID - as proper STRICT ACTION needs taking now, in terms of trying to prevent the spread of further infections, if we're to slowly rid ourselves as much as possible of this fucking virus, and have our lives return to some form of normality, sometime soon!!!!
:exactly:
Marco.
The idea of a lockdown is to slow and stagger the spread, not prevent it. You can't prevent it.
well you can if you irradicate it in your borders.. trouble is somewhere else will have it and thus it can start again, so getting it down to near zero and then screening everyone who leaves and comes in etc is way to go.. but we are nowhere near that yet
Exactly! That's what DRASTICALLY NEEDS DOING, and should've been done, MONTHS ago, particularly at airports!! One of the main reasons we're in the situation we're in is because of a rather laissez faire, apathetic attitude towards STRICT border control and people's movements between those borders, both nationally and internationally!!
Marco.
It might be possible for a low population backwater like New Zealand but there's no way that is possible for this country.
In a normal year tens of millions of people come and go from this country. Even if you do test them all which is pretty much impossible it only takes a handful to be missed and you've got your virus back.
Why can't you prevent folk from coming to and entering the country in the first place? That could easily be done with enough proper enforcement! As I've said, bring the army in if needed.
If the country you live in has LAWS ENFORCED that don't allow travel to a country which currently isn't allowing any visitors, and the intended destination country of the traveller in question has LAWS preventing and ENFORCING any visitors from coming in, then you have CONTROL of your borders, and subsequently as much control as possible of the spread of the virus!
But the problem is there's been too much dillydallying and pussyfooting around in that respect, especially by BJ-boy in No10, who's about as decisive as demented pensioner.
If the authorities to date have managed to enforce national lockdowns, and shut down the countries in question, then the same authorities can enforce proper border controls!
Marco.
Beobloke
02-11-2020, 15:31
STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM WALES!!
THANK YOU:thumbsup:
.
To be fair, Ursula and I have been sticking to this strategy for the last 15 years or so... ;)
RobbieGong
02-11-2020, 15:32
To be fair, Ursula and I have been sticking to this strategy for the last 15 years or so... ;)
Touche !! Quality ! :D
ive been staying away from everywhere and everyone since beginning march. does it get easier? yes, with a firm mind and plenty whisky, it is:eyebrows:
walpurgis
02-11-2020, 15:45
I even socially distance from the wife (as far as I can get away with actually :D).
Why can't you prevent folk from coming to and entering the country in the first place? That could easily be done with enough proper enforcement! As I've said, bring the army in if needed.
If the country you live in has LAWS ENFORCED that don't allow travel to a country which currently isn't allowing any visitors, and the intended destination country of the traveller in question has LAWS preventing and ENFORCING any visitors from coming in, then you have CONTROL of your borders, and subsequently as much control as possible of the spread of the virus!
But the problem is there's been too much dillydallying and pussyfooting around in that respect, especially by BJ-boy in No10, who's about as decisive as demented pensioner.
If the authorities to date have managed to enforce national lockdowns, and shut down the countries in question, then the same authorities can enforce proper border controls!
Marco.
So you stop everyone coming and going and then you keep that up for how long? Forever? Just not remotely realistic.
The strategy is a controlled approach to herd immunity, the actions taken so far only looks like indecisiveness if you think the strategy is to eradicate the virus. It isn't and it never has been.
So you stop everyone coming and going and then you keep that up for how long? Forever? Just not remotely realistic.
The strategy is a controlled approach to herd immunity, the actions taken so far only looks like indecisiveness if you think the strategy is to eradicate the virus. It isn't and it never has been.
Not forever, of course not, but for however long is necessary in order for the measures to take effect, the principal behind which is exactly the same as that of the current lockdowns. Therefore, you lockdown the airports, seaports and railways in the same way (allowing only essential travel), until the time is right to remove those restrictions (a lowering of the 'R' number, for example).
Armed police, or the army, enforcing such a law, at all border entry points, would've soon prevented anyone being tempted to travel abroad, outside of a genuine emergency!
And you really need to take your BJ fanboy blinkers off, if you think his recent actions have been in any way decisive. Why then didn't he decide to impose the recent national lockdown in England, during half term, when all the schools were closed anyway, thus limiting the spread of the virus, as stats currently show that the source of many new infections is in schools and colleges!!
With weekends taken into account, there would've been nearly 12 days of naturally uninterrupted time to put a brake on transmissions in said areas, during the school holidays, but he 'decided' not to. WHY?
Answer: because he's an inept, clueless BALLOON!
:exactly:
Marco.
Coz he wanted to avoid doing what he said he would never do, but did anyway. [emoji23] Bit of a mouthful.
No doubt it's difficult. But a really strong leader would have seen what was likely to happen and made sure it didn't.
Australia are down to zero now and they were hard hit for population.
Coz he wanted to avoid doing what he said he would never do, but did anyway. [emoji23] Bit of a mouthful.
No doubt it's difficult. But a really strong leader would have seen what was likely to happen and made sure it didn't.
Exactly my point, and which BJ-boy will NEVER be [a strong leader], even if he was actually meant to be one! In reality, he's a weak-willed puppet, all too easily influenced and swayed by others with a stronger will than him.
Marco.
RobbieGong
02-11-2020, 16:15
Exactly my point, and which BJ-boy will NEVER be [a strong leader], even if he was actually meant to be such!
Marco.
Exactly ! Bumbling Boris, nothing about him says world leader, which tells you he is most definitely (pretty much like most of these guys), just a puppet figure head :rolleyes:
He's not our 'leader'. We're not a troop of cub scouts.
Actions will be taken based on the scientific advice. Obviously lockdown is to be avoided due to economic damage, but if the advice changes (with the developing situation) from 'we don't need a lockdown to 'we've now got no choice' then of course we'll have a lockdown.
As always there's only one goal and that is to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed. As long as that does not happen then the government is doing a good job.
It would be good to be able to achieve that without another national lockdown, which is what they've been trying to do, but if the experts say it is necessary then it has to happen. They government are not going to ignore their advice.
I shouldn't really need to explain this as it's all blindingly obvious
World leader? Lol... Nothing about him says 'leader' of the UK, or Tory party, never mind anything else! Given his antics (and those of his colleagues) throughout this pandemic, it's a wonder he can lead himself successfully to the bathroom!
Marco.
RobbieGong
02-11-2020, 16:27
World leader? Lol... Nothing about him says 'leader' of the UK, or Tory party, never mind anything else! Given his antics (and those of his colleagues) throughout this pandemic, it's a wonder he can lead himself successfully to the bathroom!
Marco.
:D
bollocks.. scientific advice was to lockdown england 6 weeks ago and the "leader" said non:ner: jimmie krankie for pm:lol:
He's not our 'leader'. We're not a troop of cub scouts.
Actions will be taken based on the scientific advice. Obviously lockdown is to be avoided due to economic damage, but if the advise changes from 'we don't need a lockdown to 'we've now got no choice' then of course we'll have a lockdown.
As always there's only one goal and that is to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed. As long as that does not happen then the government is doing a good job. It would be good to be able to achieve that without another national lockdown, which is what they've been trying to do, but if the experts say it is necessary then it has to happen. They government are not going to ignore their advice.
I shouldn't really need to explain this as it's all blindingly obvious
Indeed, so don't bother, as we understand that perfectly well already, thanks, but in your blinkered desire to defend the tit you voted for, you're simply only highlighting what best serves that goal and dismissing everything else:doh:
Marco.
Indeed, so don't bother, as we understand that perfectly well already, thanks, but in your blinkered desire to defend the tit you voted for, you're simply only highlighting what best serves that goal and dismissing everything else:doh:
Marco.
Your previous posts indicated a lack of understanding.
I'm taking an objective point of view. I'm not interested in making 'party political' points by twisting the facts to suit.
If the hospitals do get overwhelmed then at that point I'll agree the government have failed.
bollocks.. scientific advice was to lockdown england 6 weeks ago
Incorrect.
walpurgis
02-11-2020, 17:29
Going by recent figures I think the UK may have just crested the peak of the second infection wave. Of course the immediate post-weekend figures can look high, but we haven't had those yet today. By Wednesday or Thursday we should see more clearly what the trend is. Unfortunately, repeated falls and rises to peaks in infection are probable I think.
Seeing today's figures, it looks like the recent downward trend is continuing. If things follow pattern and the decline continues during lockdown, it will probably bottom out around mid Feb. Then we'll head for another peak, hopefully less pronounced, somewhere around May/June. Of course, the introduction of any successful vaccine, should it happen, would influence this.
Weekend reporting is always dodgy. Usually takes til wed, Thurs to get accurate.
Your previous posts indicated a lack of understanding.
I'm taking an objective point of view. I'm not interested in making 'party political' points by twisting the facts to suit.
If the hospitals do get overwhelmed then at that point I'll agree the government have failed.
Yes, but it's not just about that! There are other equally as important things to consider that the government are responsible for and have failed in. And I'm not twisting any facts to suit, although I think you are, in an attempt to justify your decision to vote for the the twat as PM in the first place, but best leave that one there.
I simply tell it as I see it, and will continue to do so, regardless of your rather patronising attempt to 'educate' me, as if you're some kind of expert on the matter. Kindly give that up, as it's extremely irritating, and if necessary simply disagree with my opinion and state why *in your humble opinion* (it is no more than that) you differ.
Marco.
Seeing today's figures, it looks like the recent downward trend is continuing. If things follow pattern and the decline continues during lockdown, it will probably bottom out around mid Feb. Then we'll head for another peak, hopefully less pronounced, somewhere around May/June. Of course, the introduction of any successful vaccine, should it happen, would influence this.
Yup, and pretty much what I said months ago, mate:)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
02-11-2020, 19:25
To be fair, Ursula and I have been sticking to this strategy for the last 15 years or so... ;)
Me and Mrs. P accidentally went through Wales a couple of years ago, on our way to Shropshire. TBH I couldn't tell the difference, apart from a few strangely worded road signs :) Before that the only two times I visited Wales was about ten years ago when we went up the Great Orme, and before that I visited Portmerion in 1977.
But following Brian's "recommendation" I hope to visit Wrexham for some erm, Christmas shopping :eyebrows:
Lol... How many ounces will I put you done for, bad boy?;)
TBH, I'd live pretty much anywhere in Wales (out with of the big cities), or Scotland [even northern England], before I'd live anywhere 'darn sarf', as it's not really my cuppa, for all sorts of reasons.
Marco.
You like grey and wet then :lol:
Pigmy Pony
02-11-2020, 20:22
You leave my Aunt Maud's minge out of this :(
Pigmy Pony
02-11-2020, 20:31
Yup, and pretty much what I said months ago, mate:)
Marco.
I had a bored half hour, so I tried to find what you said months ago. But the nearest I could find was post #4108.
None of us (including the "experts") have a clue what's going to happen, nor how to deal with it!
Yes, but it's not just about that! There are other equally as important things to consider that the government are responsible for and have failed in. And I'm not twisting any facts to suit, although I think you are, in an attempt to justify your decision to vote for the the twat as PM in the first place, but best leave that one there.
I simply tell it as I see it, and will continue to do so, regardless of your rather patronising attempt to 'educate' me, as if you're some kind of expert on the matter. Kindly give that up, as it's extremely irritating, and if necessary simply disagree with my opinion and state why *in your humble opinion* (it is no more than that) you differ.
Marco.
Your continuing insistence that my opinion on the covid situation is related to how I voted when it has nothing to do with it is what is irritating. It's also patronising. I think that makes us even. :D
Ha - ok, but I can only call it as I see it, and IMHO, that's how you're coming across [as a major BJ-fanboy, and both he and the government can do no wrong]!:ner:
So, convince me otherwise, and show me one post here where you've been critical of any decisions that the government, or PM, has made since the beginning of this pandemic, or do you consider that they've got everything right?
If not, then outline exactly where they got it wrong, and why.
Marco.
You leave my Aunt Maud's minge out of this :(
:doh:
I had a bored half hour, so I tried to find what you said months ago. But the nearest I could find was post #4108.
None of us (including the "experts") have a clue what's going to happen, nor how to deal with it!
Sure, but I made a prediction earlier, much further back on this thread, which has largely come to pass, and also tallies with Geoff's prediction of what might happen next. And no, I'm not rooting through all those posts either, so you'll just have to trust me!:D
Marco.
You like grey and wet then :lol:
It's not usually like that round here, trust me. You obviously haven't read my posts on the weather thread!:ner:;)
That aside, there are other things way more important to me than the weather, one such being strongly disliking crowded, overpopulated areas - and in terms of the UK, that applies mostly to 'darn sarf', especially anywhere near the major cities.
Marco.
Ha - ok, but I can only call it as I see it, and IMHO, that's how you're coming across [as a major BJ-fanboy, and both he and the government can do no wrong]!:ner:
So, convince me otherwise, and show me one post here where you've been critical of any decisions that the government, or PM, has made since the beginning of this pandemic, or do you consider that they've got everything right?
If not, then outline exactly where they got it wrong, and why.
Marco.
Firstly I'm not a Johnson Fanboy. I voted for him/tory in the last election because it was the least worst option. Given the choice between the robber barons and the people who will persecute you without end because their consciences demand it I'll take the robber barons every time.
I think Boris is a likeable character but that was not a major influence on my decision. I do think he has intelligence, confidence and charisma and I think those qualities are important in a PM so that was an influence. But it was a considered decision based on many factors.
I was interested to see what he could do given the chance, I didn't have massively high hopes. But I thought he might do well getting us through Brexit. Obviously that was all pre-covid.
Reducing that to me being a fanboy is a cheap and desperate shot. Suggests you don't have a better argument.
Mistakes - well it's easy to be a monday-morning quarterback. Anyone who as part of their work has had to implement a complex project, especially on the hoof, knows that you're not going to get everything right. So I would cut some slack regardless of who comprised the government.
The original lockdown decision could have been made a bit earlier. Some say two weeks, I'd say a week. It's a big step to take. How much difference that would have made to anything though? I'd guess not a lot.
I'm interested to know what the deal is with the dodgy looking PPE contracts. Prima face it does look like some people got a lot of money for doing nothing.
Over-promising on the track and trace was stupid. But that's a stupid political decision not a medical one.
Otherwise, as i said, the sole overriding concern with any pandemic is to prevent the health services being overwhelmed. If they can continue to manage that then overall I'd say the handling has been competent. Not perfect, but competent.
And really that is not to the politician's credit since they don't actually manage any of the processes. They make decisions, but even then they make them based on advice from the experts. It's a brave politician who goes against the expert advice, especially in public health crisis. That's why regardless of who the government was or who the individual politicians were we would not have seen things pan out much differently.
I don't actually see covid as a political issue at all which is why I get puzzled by people trying to make it into one.
Firstly I'm not a Johnson Fanboy. I voted for him/tory in the last election because it was the least worst option. Given the choice between the robber barons and the people who will persecute you without end because their consciences demand it I'll take the robber barons every time.
I think Boris is a likeable character but that was not a major influence on my decision. I do think he has intelligence, confidence and charisma and I think those qualities are important in a PM so that was an influence. But it was a considered decision based on many factors.
I was interested to see what he could do given the chance, I didn't have massively high hopes. But I thought he might do well getting us through Brexit. Obviously that was all pre-covid.
Reducing that to me being a fanboy is a cheap and desperate shot. Suggests you don't have a better argument.
It's not a "cheap and desperate shot". You're way off the mark there.
As I keep saying, but unfortunately it's not sinking in, I'm simply telling it as I see it, and IMO, based on what you've written here to date, you've *come across* as a BJ fanboy [note that this is rather different from ACTUALLY being one], simply because up until now I've seen little evidence of you criticising him - and indeed plenty of the opposite!
What do you want me to do, lie to you? I'm simply being honest and telling you how I think you're coming across, so please accept that, even if you disagree.
Mistakes - well it's easy to be a monday-morning quarterback. Anyone who as part of their work has had to implement a complex project, especially on the hoof, knows that you're not going to get everything right. So I would cut some slack regardless of who comprised the government.
The original lockdown decision could have been made a bit earlier. Some say two weeks, I'd say a week. It's a big step to take. How much difference that would have made to anything though? I'd guess not a lot.
I'm interested to know what the deal is with the dodgy looking PPE contracts. Prima face it does look like some people got a lot of money for doing nothing.
Over-promising on the track and trace was stupid. But that's a stupid political decision not a medical one.
Otherwise, as i said, the sole overriding concern with any pandemic is to prevent the health services being overwhelmed. If they can continue to manage that then overall I'd say the handling has been competent. Not perfect, but competent.
And really that is not to the politician's credit since they don't actually manage any of the processes. They make decisions, but even then they make them based on advice from the experts. It's a brave politician who goes against the expert advice, especially in public health crisis. That's why regardless of who the government was or who the individual politicians were we would not have seen things pan out much differently.
I don't actually see covid as a political issue at all which is why I get puzzled by people trying to make it into one.
All that is fair enough, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't. But in future, if you don't want to be accused of being a BJ fanboy, then don't defend him (and the government) nearly all the time, thus giving me cause to come to that erroneous conclusion;)
Marco.
Btw, in terms of your comment about BJ being "likeable" and having "charisma", that's only because you're English and see things only from an English perspective (or at least again that's how you come across). Otherwise like me, the very LAST thing you'd find him is 'likeable', as all he cares about is England, or to be more precise, London and the south.
He really couldn't give a damn about the rest of the UK, hence his disgracefully unfair treatment of the people of Manchester, Preston, Liverpool, etc, who have borne the brunt of his bias, thus subjected to the ever-present north/south divide, with some of the government's decisions taken over lockdowns, and therefore why he's strongly disliked by many 'northerners'.
Mark Drakeford too, is on record as being rather frustrated with BJ's lack of communication and avoidance tactics, when pressed on issues relating to what's in the best interests of other parts of the UK, outside of his 'favourite zones', while attempting to deal with this virus. So it's therefore no wonder BJ is considered as a c*nt by those he has patently shown such contempt towards.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
02-11-2020, 23:27
Btw, in terms of your comment about BJ being "likeable" and having "charisma", that's only because you're English and seem only concerned with what's best for England (or at least again that's how you come across). Otherwise like me, the very LAST thing you'd find him is 'likeable', as all he cares about is England, or to be more precise, London and the south.
He really couldn't give a damn about the rest of the UK, hence his disgracefully unfair treatment of the people of Manchester, Preston, Liverpool, etc, who have felt the full force of his bias, and the ever-present north/south divide, with some of the government's decisions taken over lockdowns, and therefore why he's strongly disliked by many 'northerners'.
Mark Drakeford too, is on record as being rather frustrated with BJ's lack of communication and avoidance tactics, when pressed on issues relating to what's in the best interests of other parts of the UK, outside of his 'favourite zones', while attempting to deal with this virus. So it's therefore no wonder he's considered as a c*nt by those he has patently shown such contempt towards.
Marco.
I was under the impression that the other parts of the UK used the same experts advising on how Covid should be tackled, so why would Mark Duckpond be interested in what Bobby Boris thinks? Unless it is (as I suspect) to learn what England is doing, then go in the opposite direction :D
Lol, indeed... It was when MD was trying to get him to implement measures to prevent folks from England, especially those from heavily contaminated areas of such, travelling to Wales for a 'jolly' [to seaside and beauty spots, etc] and spreading the virus there, which BJ just arrogantly 'swerved', as he wasn't interested.
There are other examples too of his apathy towards anything he considers doesn't serve the best interests of England or his core Tory supporters. He's supposed to the PM of the UK, and therefore have the best interests of the WHOLE OF THE UK at heart, not just the places he considers as most important!:rolleyes:
That's why he's disliked or detested by people from the places I've mentioned, which have borne the brunt of his bias, and particularly Scotland, as he gives a damn about that even less than he does the north of England.
Marco.
P.S It's my understanding, based on what MD has said during his TV 'coronavirus conferences', that he takes advice from his own scientific advisors, which aren't necessarily the same as those followed by BJ. That was why, for example, Wales were later than England in making the wearing of face coverings mandatory in certain places, and also why a national 'firebreak' lockdown was implemented there before England followed suit.
Pigmy Pony
03-11-2020, 07:11
Lol, indeed... It was when MD was trying to get him to implement measures to prevent folks from England, especially those from heavily contaminated areas of such, travelling to Wales for a 'jolly' [to seaside and beauty spots, etc] and spreading the virus there, which BJ just arrogantly 'swerved', as he wasn't interested.
There are other examples too of his apathy towards anything he considers doesn't serve the best interests of England or his core Tory supporters. He's supposed to the PM of the UK, and therefore have the best interests of the WHOLE OF THE UK at heart, not just the places he considers as most important!:rolleyes:
That's why he's disliked or detested by people from the places I've mentioned, which have borne the brunt of his bias, and particularly Scotland, as he gives a damn about that even less than he does the north of England.
Marco.
P.S It's my understanding, based on what MD has said during his TV 'coronavirus conferences', that he takes advice from his own scientific advisors, which aren't necessarily the same as those followed by BJ. That was why, for example, Wales were later than England in making the wearing of face coverings mandatory in certain places, and also why a national 'firebreak' lockdown was implemented there before England followed suit.
Ah ok, I had assumed that the UK and the devolved nations all got their advice from the same people but were then able to make their own policy decisions based on that advice. See, I've learned something there :)
But one more question: Wales has Drakeford, Scotland has Krankie, NI has some Irish guy probably with an Irish name. None of whom will give a shit about England (and why would they?) But who is England's First Minister? Do we have one? It doesn't seem right that the job of not giving a shit about the rest of the UK should be left to BJ.
Btw, in terms of your comment about BJ being "likeable" and having "charisma", that's only because you're English and see things only from an English perspective (or at least again that's how you come across). Otherwise like me, the very LAST thing you'd find him is 'likeable', as all he cares about is England, or to be more precise, London and the south.
He really couldn't give a damn about the rest of the UK, hence his disgracefully unfair treatment of the people of Manchester, Preston, Liverpool, etc, who have borne the brunt of his bias, thus subjected to the ever-present north/south divide, with some of the government's decisions taken over lockdowns, and therefore why he's strongly disliked by many 'northerners'..
Not really sure what relevance that has to anything. There's plenty of politicians I don't like. Also Johnson won a lot of northern seats at the election because a lot of northerners including me want our of the EU and Johnson was the only one who was going to deliver that. Scotland and Wales have their own governments, have had for a long time. if the people there are unhappy maybe they should look closer to home for the reasons?
had my mother on the 'phone the other day, she's northern. We were talking about Covid and she asks me 'Who is the Prime Minister?' (She is 80 years old in her defence). I said it was Boris Johnson. 'Oh I love Boris!' she says. (She's never voted tory in her life).
Ah ok, I had assumed that the UK and the devolved nations all got their advice from the same people but were then able to make their own policy decisions based on that advice. See, I've learned something there :)
But one more question: Wales has Drakeford, Scotland has Krankie, NI has some Irish guy probably with an Irish name. None of whom will give a shit about England (and why would they?) But who is England's First Minister? Do we have one? It doesn't seem right that the job of not giving a shit about the rest of the UK should be left to BJ.
Very good!:D
Marco.
Not really sure what relevance that has to anything. There's plenty of politicians I don't like. Also Johnson won a lot of northern seats at the election because a lot of northerners including me want our of the EU and Johnson was the only one who was going to deliver that. Scotland and Wales have their own governments, have had for a long time. if the people there are unhappy maybe they should look closer to home for the reasons?
had my mother on the 'phone the other day, she's northern. We were talking about Covid and she asks me 'Who is the Prime Minister?' (She is 80 years old in her defence). I said it was Boris Johnson. 'Oh I love Boris!' she says. (She's never voted tory in her life).
Lol - well, sadly your lovely mum is as confused over judgements of character as she is over who's PM!;)
However, the 'relevance', since you asked. is that most people [i.e. the general public], when it comes to appointing a new PM, vote for who THEY LIKE, i.e. on personalities, not just policies [witness Trump, for example], so if you think someone's a c*nt, then no matter what other 'talents' they may have, you won't vote for them; conversely if you think the sun shines out of someone's arse, then you're more likely to turn a blind eye to their failings.
That's how most people think. It's largely only the politics geeks who study the subject in detail, and who base their decisions in that respect, solely (or mostly) on policies.
Anyway, this is going nowhere useful, as we're political polar opposites - and polar opposites in many other ways too, so best leave it there.
Marco.
Flippin Heck, Marco.
That was heavy going. :(
But I watched the whole thing. I always suspected that Money was an illusion.
I'm a worried man. I expect we'll get through this though.
Never ever give up. :D
Flippin Heck, Marco.
That was heavy going. :(
But I watched the whole thing. I always suspected that Money was an illusion.
I'm a worried man. I expect we'll get through this though.
Never ever give up. :D
Hi Steve,
Not sure what you're referring to?:scratch:
Could you clarify, please?:)
Marco.
I hope I wasn't being obscure there, Marco.
You raised the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eiUm-q-NqM
I thought we are just dealing with some sort of 'Flu germ. Now I find it is an entire attempt to restructure a Democratic Society.
Thankyou.
The dreaded virus has now moved 10 yards over the road from me.
The 4 Portsmouth University students who dwell therein have been diagnosed positive. :eek:
I really think the University should be shut down. Tough as it will be for the local economy at about 10%. It's a menace.
And honestly, who needs to pay for University these days? It's all on the Internet anyway. Stanford University lectures are free.
And you've always been free to walk into lectures at French Universities.
Far higher standard, IMO.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105
vaccine looks to be 90% effective..
We hope. And that is cheerful news.
My medical practise have been nagging me for a 'Flu jab.
But as a viewer of dismal news, the Mink outbreak in the State of Denmark might put the Kibosh on vaccination. A new variant.
Personally I fancy my chances. Slim, healthy, albeit old.
But the wreck of the economy is what worries me.
Wow, the FTSE is up 6%! Always follow the money.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c9qdqqkgz27t/ftse-100
Maybe this depressing nightmare is over.
Thank you Grant. People on my street are cheerful too. :)
Pigmy Pony
09-11-2020, 18:22
:santa: Christmas with the Naysayers: :santa::santa:
I'm not having the vaccine, why should I line the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies, it probably won't work anyway
Ok there won't be a shortage of Christmas puddings, but they won't be as good
Mince pies will probably be rubbish too, I read somewhere that there's a worldwide shortage of mincemeat due to Covid
Mistletoe? Forget it! I don't even kiss my wife. And I don't care if they've been vaccinated
And I won't be bothering with any Christmas parties. That I never get invited anyway is beside the point
To the carol singers, I have a bucket of bleachy water by the front door. You have been warned
They're only getting in 10 million doses so there's only enough to do the pensioners anyway, Initially at least.
Be a long time before they have to drag Marco out at gunpoint to give it him :D
Pigmy Pony
09-11-2020, 19:02
They're only getting in 10 million doses so there's only enough to do the pensioners anyway, Initially at least.
Be a long time before they have to drag Marco out at gunpoint to give it him :D
They'll just threaten to let down his tyres, that'll get him out of the house. "Hey, they're nitrogen filled! I paid 20 quid for that!" And there'll be a guy hiding behind his wank cabin, sorry I meant summerhouse, armed with a dart gun :)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105
vaccine looks to be 90% effective..
'Effective' at what, though?:eek::uhho:;)
Marco.
Well it's possible Lock Down Joe is going to take over for us (US)...
Be a long time before they have to drag Marco out at gunpoint to give it him :D
Ha - only after I take out as many of them as possible with my AK47!:guns::guns:
:D
I did say that one would be available before Christmas (after initially being proven wrong about September), didn't I?
Marco.
They'll just threaten to let down his tyres, that'll get him out of the house. "Hey, they're nitrogen filled! I paid 20 quid for that!" And there'll be a guy hiding behind his wank cabin, sorry I meant summerhouse, armed with a dart gun :)
Not a dart gun, but a FART gun, armed instead with cannisters of my FART GAS, which trust me is far deadlier!:D:acid:
Oh, and not my "wank cabin"; Del spends much more time in there than me, interestingly more so after Boots recently reduced the price of their 'feminine pleasure devices'...:eek:
Marco.
Ha - only after I take out as many of them as possible with my AK47!:guns::guns:
:D
I did say that one would be available before Christmas (after initially being proven wrong about September), didn't I?
Marco.
It's not finished proving yet, I reckon it will be some time after Christmas before it goes on general release.
Well it's possible Lock Down Joe is going to take over for us (US)...
It'll be very interesting seeing how, in comparison, the whole Covid thing is handled now in America.... And indeed, going forward, how much life also changes in the rest of the world, as a result of the scumbag Democrats winning. Sometimes it's better with the devil you know;)
Marco.
It's not finished proving yet, I reckon it will be some time after Christmas before it goes on general release.
General release, yes defo, probably around spring time next year, but I did predict earlier that the oldies would get the first batch around Christmas.
Whilst not really meaning to be flippant, it'll be interesting seeing how they react to the vaccine, and how many 'pop off' due to a bad reaction... I'll be watching that one VERY closely! And also how others willing to take it react when the vaccine becomes available for general release.
Regardless, I still wouldn't touch it with a very large bargepole!!:nono:
Marco.
On another subject, I just received an email from one of our favourite local pubs, outlining the new rules after the 'firebreak' lockdown, particularly now that neighbouring England is in lockdown....
I quote:
"Further Updates to Post-Firebreak Rules Monday 9th November
Hello yet again!
Just to bring extra joy into all of our lives there was a further update from Gov.Wales as to what we must do in terms of verifying the ID of customers when visiting us.
Groups of 4 or less (adults)
For those that we don’t already know, and in an effort to avoid Mickey Mouse or Scooby-Doo visiting us, we may well need to verify your name for track and trace purpose. With this in mind please ensure that you bring something like a credit card or driving licence.
Groups of 4 or more (adults)
To ensure that you are all from the same household and are living together, please would all members bring some form of printed document or letter that includes their name and address on it.
We hope that you understand that we are doing this because we must, not because we want to.
Hopefully, see you very soon!
The Crew at The Boat."
Hear, hear - and quite right. So if you can't prove that you're all from the same household, and live in Wales, then essentially FUCK OFF!!:clap::clap:
KEEP WALES AS SAFE [AND VIRUS-FREE] AS POSSIBLE.
Marco.
There's nothing in there about living in Wales?
Well, you can take it for granted that if your required ID doesn't show a Welsh address, there'll be questions asked! That's certainly what I'd be doing if I were a landlord now of a Welsh pub.
I wouldn't just want proof that customers were from the same household, but also that they lived in Wales! Otherwise, strictly NO ENTRY:nono:
Marco.
:santa: Christmas with the Naysayers: :santa::
I'm not having the vaccine, why should I line the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies, it probably won't work anyway
Ok there won't be a shortage of Christmas puddings, but they won't be as good
Mince pies will probably be rubbish too, I read somewhere that there's a worldwide shortage of mincemeat due to Covid
Mistletoe? Forget it! I don't even kiss my wife. And I don't care if they've been vaccinated
And I won't be bothering with any Christmas parties. That I never get invited anyway is beside the point
To the carol singers, I have a bucket of bleachy water by the front door. You have been warned
We really need a thread about Covid-19 jokes.
You know the sort of thing. Because I used to share a flat with a Lloyd's underwriter. Whatever disaster befell the World, Lloyd's had an achingly funny joke about it.
"I am not saying my mother-in-law is ugly, but I'd rather take her with me, than kiss her goodbye".
"I am not saying my mother-in-law is ugly, but she looks much better with a facemask".
WullieD20
09-11-2020, 21:09
Ha ha ha......those remind me of an old one that used to circulate.....
"I am not saying my mother-in-law is ugly, but even the tide won't come in if she's sitting on the beach".
RobbieGong
09-11-2020, 21:10
General release, yes defo, probably around spring time next year, but I did predict earlier that the oldies would get the first batch around Christmas.
Whilst not really meaning to be flippant, it'll be interesting seeing how they react to the vaccine, and how many 'pop off' due to a bad reaction... I'll be watching that one VERY closely! And also how others willing to take it react when the vaccine becomes available for general release.
Regardless, I still wouldn't touch it with a very large bargepole!!:nono:
Marco.
:D
We really need a thread about Covid-19 jokes.
You know the sort of thing. Because I used to share a flat with a Lloyd's underwriter. Whatever disaster befell the World, Lloyd's had an achingly funny joke about it.
"I am not saying my mother-in-law is ugly, but I'd rather take her with me, than kiss her goodbye".
"I am not saying my mother-in-law is ugly, but she looks much better with a facemask".
Covid was doing well until it reached my mother in law.
Now it's racing to producing a vaccine.
Soz, I don't get that... Is it meant to be a joke?:scratch:
Marco.
:D
Ha - Robbie-boy, I hear you've volunteered to be first to, erm, 'savour the flavour'?:eek::eyebrows:
Don't be shy - ya knows ya wanna, lol....
Marco.
We were all sitting fascinated at Portsmouth Ferryport Ingate by some BBC documentary about the largest creature that has ever inhabited our Planet.
Diplodocus? Fahgeddabout it. We were all thinking of our boss "Jenny". :lol:
She took a shine to me. Clearly a prescient creature!
Her breath would have knocked you out at a Thousand Miles. But I wish her well.
RobbieGong
09-11-2020, 22:16
Ha - Robbie-boy, I hear you've volunteered to be first to, erm, 'savour the flavour'?:eek::eyebrows:
Don't be shy - ya knows ya wanna, lol....
Marco.
:eek: :acid: :no:
I don't know what the big panic is about with vaccines. I have got jabbed a few time against Typhus, Scarlet Fever, Measles and Rubella. :scratch:
Wasn't it Louis Pasteur who noticed that Milkmaids had beautiful skin?
A mild case of Cowpox was way better than the disfiguring Smallpox.
Really people. Get used to it.
Pigmy Pony
10-11-2020, 07:08
Soz, I don't get that... Is it meant to be a joke?:scratch:
Marco.
C'mon mate, that was quite good, but then it is past your bedtime :ner:
I don't know what the big panic is about with vaccines. I have got jabbed a few time against Typhus, Scarlet Fever, Measles and Rubella. :scratch:
Wasn't it Louis Pasteur who noticed that Milkmaids had beautiful skin?
A mild case of Cowpox was way better than the disfiguring Smallpox.
Really people. Get used to it.
was edward jenner i think who made the first vaccine for smallpox
C'mon mate, that was quite good, but then it is past your bedtime :ner:
Still don't get it, so could you explain?:)
Marco.
Still don't get it, so could explain?:)
Marco.
was that the mother in law joke?
I think you are right about Edward Jenner and smallpox.
Pasteur was more interested in a nasty milk related germ causing, er, Brucellosis. Hence the milk we drink these days is Pasteurised.
I am not a medical expert.
So many nasty germs in the World. I have seen Polio, Malaria, Diptheria, Rabies, Shingles and Pneumonia at work. You don't want to catch them.
Anecdotally, this current inter-species Covid horror has been around for years. Possibly infested Bats in South America near banana plantations, and hence the workers were at risk.
The tour guide advised social-distancing from them. They tended to a strange illness.
Bats sleep in huge groups during the day. We are talking millions here. A breeding ground for germs.
My friend came back from his tour of South America feeling very unwell 2 years back. He thinks it was Covid.
ive had shingles and pneumonia 3 times.... not nice.. swine flu pandemic too.. yes there are a lot of potential nasties in milk before pasteurization, hence why it was enforced.
Dorset farmer Benjamin Jesty was first to do the smallpox vaccine apparently, but Jenner got the credit as he worked out exactly why it worked.
walpurgis
10-11-2020, 11:01
Dorset farmer Benjamin Jesty was first to do the smallpox vaccine apparently, but Jenner got the credit as he worked out exactly why it worked.
Smallpox was a really horrendous disease and when I was growing up it was not that uncommon to see survivors about, they were seriously 'pockmarked'! My science teacher when I was about ten was a survivor and was very badly scarred. The rash could be all over and even internal and mortality was high!
yeah had a couple of teachers who had had it, leaving poc marks on face. one was an ex pow of the japanese too, so he didnt have his troubles to seek. a nice bloke but damaged a bit.
was that the mother in law joke?
Yes, Martin's one... What's supposed to be 'racing', and what's racing got to do with anything?:hmm:
Marco.
Yes, Martin's one... What's supposed to be 'racing', and what's racing got to do with anything?:hmm:
Marco.
not sure the racing was any more than our race to find a vaccine for covid (but i could be wrong) joke was a typical mother in law horror that even the covid wants to rid itself of..
I love the old horse-racing. Missed Dakota Gold the other day due to my bookie being shut. Came in at 4-1! Oh well.
Possibly the most life-threatening disease ever was Cholera or Typhoid.
Not many people now this, but at the height of the British Empire, about 1850, your chances of living past 30 in London Town were slim.
The Thames river was an open sewer. Drinking water was contaminated with disease.
Got so bad we built drains. Happily they were over-engineered. Have hardly needed upgrading since.
not sure the racing was any more than our race to find a vaccine for covid (but i could be wrong) joke was a typical mother in law horror that even the covid wants to rid itself of..
Lol, I see (sort of). Guess it's not really a joke I appreciate.
Marco.
anthonyTD
10-11-2020, 13:21
From my perspective;
The people who' at the moment are totaly against accepting "the vaccine" i think would be much more aproachable on the subject if there was independent un-biased testing and examination of said vaccine, taken randomly from each batch, that really is the only sure way that everyone who accepts it can at least be sure they are getting the exact same Vaccine as say; those who are in positions of power ie; government, and royalty just two examples, but i am sure you get my point.
The main problem throughout this whole affair has been a total miss-trust in those who have been elected to look after the interests of the nation.
The people who' at the moment are totaly against accepting "the vaccine" i think would be much more aproachable on the subject if there was independent un-biased testing and examination of said vaccine, taken randomly from each batch..
Exactly my view, too.
Firstly, I'm not 'anti-vaccines'; I'm simply anti any that MY judgement criteria, not that of the 'officially appointed experts'], who may be biased towards their efficacy for any number of reasons (commercial and otherwise), I consider as having been rushed through, thus not adequately tested [again based on MY judgement criteria], and therefore *potentially* unsafe.
I'm afraid I simply don't sign up to the notion of 'The powers that be have told us that it's safe, therefore it is', so I'll just open my veins and let it drip in... For me, that's lazy, and potentially dangerous thinking, particularly because once this stuff is inside you, and if it stimulates an adverse reaction and in the process does untold damage to your system, there's likely NO going back!
So for the reasons above, and those you've outlined, that's why I won't entertain taking a vaccine for Covid, under ANY circumstances, but also because I'm fit and healthy (and largely always have been) so have faith in the ability of my immune system [and help of the good Lord] to deal with the virus, should I catch it. Yes that's possible, and who knows what might occur if it did happen, but that's MY risk to take with MY own body.
Also, being someone who's only ever vaccination was a BCG jab at secondary school, and who's never been outside of northern Europe [therefore needed immunised against this or that] or contracted any major disease otherwise, I'm not naturally predisposed to being vaccinated and having my body pumped full of chemicals. I don't even have the flu jab [not had a cold or the flu for years], and take no forms of medication whatsoever. I even fight the urge to take paracetamol if, on the odd occasion, I get a headache!
So... as I've said, aside from any potential 'dodgyness', as outlined, over the vaccines being introduced for Covid, I'm simply not a 'vaccine kinda guy', so will be carrying on as normal, until this bloody nightmare is over (or as over as it can be) and praying that those who take the vaccine find it effective and safe, and it subsequently allows the world to return to some form of normality, sooner rather than later.
Marco.
anthonyTD
10-11-2020, 14:45
I found the info in this link to be a very useful and even handed aproach!
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-to-know-when-you-can-trust-a-covid-19-vaccine/
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