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walpurgis
06-04-2021, 08:48
Oh dear, I may have to re-think my position :o
I'm sure an equitable compromise can be reached once public floggings are re-introduced. :)
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2021, 08:55
I'm sure an equitable compromise can be reached once public floggings are re-introduced. :)
Wouldn't mind a bit of flogging as long as she's fit :)
So close to my views (obviously not a fascist then :))- excellent post (and previous about politicians lying being a recent phenomenon :lol:)
So are you saying then we should simply assume that all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards, especially if they become PM? Probably so, certainly BJ-boy comes into that category.
God help us then... What happened to getting into politics for the RIGHT REASONS (to do good) and to fight for what is right; the values you believe in and stand for - do such noble traits no longer exist? Is the whole thing simply a seedy quagmire of selfishness and corruption?
No wonder I rarely vote these days.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2021, 09:38
So are you saying then we should simply assume that all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards, especially if they become PM? Probably so, certainly BJ-boy comes into that category.
God help us then... What happened to getting into politics for the RIGHT REASONS (to do good) and to fight for what is right; the values you believe in and stand for - do such noble traits no longer exist? Is the whole thing simply a seedy quagmire of selfishness and corruption?
No wonder I rarely vote these days.
Marco.
I thought you did. You voted in the last general election didn't you?
I'm sure most politicians get into it for the right reason, just that some lose their way at some point.
I thought you did. You voted in the last general election didn't you?
Only to try and keep BJ-boy out, as I knew he'd be a nightmare. So for the first time in my life I voted Labour, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. Or if I had, my vote would've gone to Plaid Cymru. Or SNP, if I still lived in Scotland.
If what you say is true, then BJ has certainly 'lost his way', to put it politely.
Marco.
Jac Hawk
06-04-2021, 09:56
I think political lying has always been there and nowadays it's increasingly more difficult to get away with it so to speak as everything is recorded and available for playback at any given moment, politicians have realised that so don't bother trying to worm their way out of it anymore, they simply refuse to take accountability for what they've said or call it "fake news". BJ says whatever he thinks will improve his position regardless of it's truth, unfortunately telling the truth doesn't get you far in politics, people simply don't want to hear how shit it actually is and the establishment want to keep their dirty money making secrets that fuck the working man over on a daily basis out of the public eye for as long as possible.
Nowadays politics is sold to us like advertising on a TV and unfortunately people are buying it.
Mostly it was the church or politics for the male kids of rich who were fairly useless at everything.. think its still that way today. a great way to earn decent money; good benefits, and scope to get to top if you show you can crawl, lie and cheat well.:eyebrows:
BJ says whatever he thinks will improve his position regardless of it's truth, unfortunately telling the truth doesn't get you far in politics, people simply don't want to hear how shit it actually is and the establishment want to keep their dirty money making secrets that fuck the working man over on a daily basis out of the public eye for as long as possible.
And on that we wholeheartedly agree! It's one reason why I abhor the extremes of right-wing politics or capitalism.
What you describe needs exposed and eradicated, and the focus turned much more on what's good for the common man, so when this Covid shite is over, and BJ's time is up, we need to boot the Tories out and get things back on more even keel.
Marco [fiercely anti-establishment].
Mostly it was the church or politics for the male kids of rich who were fairly useless at everything.. think its still that way today. a great way to earn decent money; good benefits, and scope to get to top if you show you can crawl, lie and cheat well.:eyebrows:
Well I guess that's why there are so many clueless balloons!:doh:
Marco.
So are you saying then we should simply assume that all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards, especially if they become PM? Probably so, certainly BJ-boy comes into that category.
God help us then... What happened to getting into politics for the RIGHT REASONS (to do good) and to fight for what is right; the values you believe in and stand for - do such noble traits no longer exist? Is the whole thing simply a seedy quagmire of selfishness and corruption?
No wonder I rarely vote these days.
Marco.
It's such a shame that you won't watch 'Yes Minister' and 'Yes Prime Minister' since the answers to all your questions are right there.
I think it's safe to say that no-one has ever gone into politics for 'the right reasons', in fact that's a tautology.
I love that you think Corbyn was a libertarian. Not sure exactly what he was but I would say pretty close to Marxist/Trotskyite which is pretty much diametrically opposed to libertarianism, and is all about controlling the minutiae of people's lives, not only what they are allowed do, but what they are allowed to say and think.
Oddly ive just started ripping yes, onto my hdd
They've shown a few episodes on BB2 (or BBC4) recently, most of them are on Youtube albeit in crappy quality.
They've shown a few episodes on BB2 (or BBC4) recently, most of them are on Youtube albeit in crappy quality.
dvd is good enough for this kind of thing although i save them at about 720p i think. its still very good. not a huge amount of space left so this may be the last will do
It's such a shame that you won't watch 'Yes Minister' and 'Yes Prime Minister' since the answers to all your questions are right there.
Just not my type of thing, dude. I'd be bored rigid well before I 'got' the message you wanted.
I think it's safe to say that no-one has ever gone into politics for 'the right reasons', in fact that's a tautology.
So what does one get into politics for? Simply an ego trip? If I were interested in becoming an MP, that would be my motivation [championing good, honest values], and fighting for human rights, exposing corruption/the shady underhand deeds of the establishment, and protecting the best interests of the common man.
Instead I've chosen to be (or if necessary become) a modern day Citizen Smith! Freedom fighter;)
I love that you think Corbyn was a libertarian. Not sure exactly what he was but I would say pretty close to Marxist/Trotskyite which is pretty much diametrically opposed to libertarianism, and is all about controlling the minutiae of people's lives, not only what they are allowed do, but what they are allowed to say and think.
Well, he's certainly deadly opposed to the proposed 'Covid ID cards', and anti-establishment, much like I believe is his elder son, and one of the reasons why he was the victim of a smear campaign by said establishment during the last election. He's also a pacifist/anti-nuclear guy, both of which I thoroughly approve of.
Marco.
Jac Hawk
06-04-2021, 12:30
Thing is in England we don't have a classless society like they do in other countries, in England doors are always open to people who went to the right school and are related to the right people, complete idiots roll out of Eaton straight into a top uni, scrape through a piss pot degree course then land a 6 figure job in a top firm, these people can literally get away with murder, the rest of us can think we can climb this ladder but it will always be closed to us regardless of what we've attained
mad-moon
06-04-2021, 13:13
Yes, it's easy to be an outright cunt, and care not a jot, if you want. That's not the point.
My point is why say/do things that appear to be incompatible with your supposedly true self, which (apparently), in terms of covert fascist BJ-boy, is that of a libertarian? That was certainly the image he portrayed throughout his political life until now.
You only do that if you're a two-faced disingenuous bastard, which of course he is. A genuine person stays true to himself and his core values, and that defo ain't the bigoted covert fascist we're discussing!
Marco [utterly DESPISES, beyond words, disingenuous two-faced bastards, and of course bigoted fascists, covert or otherwise].
They're all the same Marco...Lie through their teeth.. I'll do this and I'l do that..we will make Britain great again..blah blah blah... till they get to the top, where they want to be...Then they reveal their true selves...a bit like the Chimpanzee...it looks at you all doe eyed with a nice smile, (Tony Blair)) to draw you in...then, when you are within arms length it's got you... it then smashes your brains in and eats you...
mad-moon
06-04-2021, 13:20
So are you saying then we should simply assume that all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards, especially if they become PM? Probably so, certainly BJ-boy comes into that category.
God help us then... What happened to getting into politics for the RIGHT REASONS (to do good) and to fight for what is right; the values you believe in and stand for - do such noble traits no longer exist? Is the whole thing simply a seedy quagmire of selfishness and corruption?
No wonder I rarely vote these days.
Marco.
Exactly this...They don't give a flying fuck...they are filling their pockets now...living the life..I'm alright Jack, fuck you, your family, your dog and all future generations...I'll be dead and gone...wankers..
Filterlab
06-04-2021, 13:37
I'm sure most politicians get into it for the right reason, just that some lose their way at some point.
Most likely when the expense account is opened, and even moreso when the back handers start rolling in.
...or throws it’s shit at you. :D
a bit like the Chimpanzee...it looks at you all doe eyed with a nice smile, to draw you in...then, when you are within arms length it's got you... it then smashes your brains in and eats you...
walpurgis
06-04-2021, 14:06
...a bit like the Chimpanzee...it looks at you all doe eyed with a nice smile, (Tony Blair)
Never thought of Blair as chimpanzee like, but now you mention it...........:D
Never thought of Blair as chimpanzee like, but now you mention it...........:D
teflon tony:D
mad-moon
06-04-2021, 14:40
teflon tony:D
Yeah..the most greasy twat on the planet...and now look at the bastard...raking it in....and don't forget about the two queer antiques dealers, who thought they could run a country. Another pair of wankers...
Jac Hawk
06-04-2021, 14:52
Yeah..the most greasy twat on the planet...and now look at the bastard...raking it in....and don't forget about the two queer antiques dealers, who thought they could run a country. Another pair of wankers...
Aye he was my MP when i lived in Ferryhill, he had a place over in Trimdon
walpurgis
06-04-2021, 15:02
teflon tony:D
I worked for/with a guy we called 'Teflon Pete' before Blair came along. You can guess what he as like (crafty as hell).
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2021, 15:34
Never thought of Blair as chimpanzee like, but now you mention it...........:D
Long before he got into politics, he made a good living in the PG Tips adverts. And it's where he met his wife. Remember "Do you know the piano's on my foot?" "You hum it son, I'll play it", Cherie played the part of the broken piano.
Thing is in England we don't have a classless society like they do in other countries, in England doors are always open to people who went to the right school and are related to the right people, complete idiots roll out of Eaton straight into a top uni, scrape through a piss pot degree course then land a 6 figure job in a top firm, these people can literally get away with murder, the rest of us can think we can climb this ladder but it will always be closed to us regardless of what we've attained
Completely agree, and it's bullshit like that which I can't stand. All class systems do is create resentment and division, which is why I've always been totally against it. Reward should always be gained on MERIT and ABILITY, regardless of who you are/what colour you are, or where you are from.
Marco.
Completely agree, and it's bullshit like that which I can't stand. All class systems do is create resentment and division, which is why I've always been totally against it. Reward should always be gained on MERIT and ABILITY, regardless of who you are/what colour you are, or where you are from.
Marco.
dare i say, even scotland :ner:
Bksabath
06-04-2021, 17:20
teflon tony:D
so did you watch Official secrets the movie ?
Official Secrets (2019) - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5431890/)
They're all the same Marco...Lie through their teeth.. I'll do this and I'l do that..we will make Britain great again..blah blah blah... till they get to the top, where they want to be...Then they reveal their true selves...a bit like the Chimpanzee...it looks at you all doe eyed with a nice smile, (Tony Blair)) to draw you in...then, when you are within arms length it's got you... it then smashes your brains in and eats you...
Yeah, Tony B. Liar... That cunt's got a lot to answer for. Evil wanker, can't stand him.
The rest we're also in full agreement with. It's all wrong. If I was getting into politics, my goal would be to try and make the world a nicer and fairer place. Achieving it, even in some small way, would be my reward, as I've never been money or power-driven. I'm just not wired that way. Having an obsession with either for me usually indicates a very unhealthy form of insecurity.
For me, genuine happiness and contentment (plus good health) are worth far more than any amount of money. And the only power that would interest me, would be the power to do good and make a genuine difference to the world, by improving the lives of people who need it the most.
Those are the only reasons I'd get into politics for, but it sounds like I'd be banging my head against a brick wall.
Marco.
dare i say, even scotland :ner:
Of course! How many of the world's most important inventors were Scottish?;)
Marco.
Martin, when you get the chance, could you answer this please:
So what does one get into politics for? Simply an ego trip?
So, essentially what you're saying is that if you're a good, kind and caring person, don't get into politics?
Marco.
Martin, when you get the chance, could you answer this please:
So, essentially what you're saying is that if you're a good, kind and caring person, don't get into politics?
Marco.
It's just a career choice. Always has been.
So are you saying then we should simply assume that all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards, especially if they become PM? Probably so, certainly BJ-boy comes into that category.
God help us then... What happened to getting into politics for the RIGHT REASONS (to do good) and to fight for what is right; the values you believe in and stand for - do such noble traits no longer exist? Is the whole thing simply a seedy quagmire of selfishness and corruption?
No wonder I rarely vote these days.
Marco.
Sorry Marco, I can't tell if you are being serious :) (that's the trouble with posts, rather than a chat down the pub).
The only genuine/sincere politician I can think of (in my lifetime) was Michael Foot - very disconcerting for me as I don't consider myself a socialist (I was fairly young at the time, but still remember being disgusted with the press attacks on his dress at the Cenotaph).
Your phrase about "all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards" certainly hits the mark in my view - don't just look at Boris though, I wouldn't trust Corbyn, Spurgeon (just look at the in fighting there :lol:) or, further afield Macron, Van Der Leyden or any of the other lying, self serving egoists.
Very strange, but I appreciated Thatcher (Knew where you were with her) and Michael Foot (sincere) - strange combination :scratch:
Thing is in England we don't have a classless society like they do in other countries, in England doors are always open to people who went to the right school and are related to the right people, complete idiots roll out of Eaton straight into a top uni, scrape through a piss pot degree course then land a 6 figure job in a top firm, these people can literally get away with murder, the rest of us can think we can climb this ladder but it will always be closed to us regardless of what we've attained
I must be having a bad day - do you really believe that other countries don't have class systems that lead to people getting in to "top schools" :lol: preparing them for "gravy train jobs" :lol:
It's just a career choice. Always has been.
Which, as Guy has pointed out, sadly appears to attract the wrong type of people.
Marco.
Sorry Marco, I can't tell if you are being serious :) (that's the trouble with posts, rather than a chat down the pub).
The only genuine/sincere politician I can think of (in my lifetime) was Michael Foot - very disconcerting for me as I don't consider myself a socialist (I was fairly young at the time, but still remember being disgusted with the press attacks on his dress at the Cenotaph).
Your phrase about "all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards" certainly hits the mark in my view - don't just look at Boris though, I wouldn't trust Corbyn, Spurgeon (just look at the in fighting there :lol:) or, further afield Macron, Van Der Leyden or any of the other lying, self serving egoists.
Very strange, but I appreciated Thatcher (Knew where you were with her) and Michael Foot (sincere) - strange combination :scratch:
Lol, I was being serious. I get what you're saying, and largely agree, but it's just alien to my way of thinking/how I'm wired. If I were getting into politics it would be to use it as a force for good, not evil. I don't really understand why it can't be like that.
Maybe I've just led too sheltered a life?:)
Marco.
Which, as Guy has pointed out, sadly appears to attract the wrong type of people.
Marco.
Lawyers mostly. Another reason I voted for Johnson is he's not a lawyer. Philosopher like me :D only he did Classical.
I must be having a bad day - do you really believe that other countries don't have class systems that lead to people getting in to "top schools" :lol: preparing them for "gravy train jobs" :lol:
By a wonderful coincidence tonight's 'Yes Minister' episode is 'Jobs For The Boys.' (BBC4 2000 hrs).
Bksabath
06-04-2021, 19:14
Lol, I was being serious. I get what you're saying, and largely agree, but it's just alien to my way of thinking/how I'm wired. If I were getting into politics it would be to use it as a force for good, not evil. I don't really understand why it can't be like that.
Maybe I've just led too sheltered a life?:)
Marco.
One nice way on how this have been put on paper is by Kim Stanley Robinson in The Red Blue Green mars trilogy
Lawyers mostly. Another reason I voted for Johnson is he's not a lawyer. Philosopher like me :D only he did Classical.
Aye!;)
Marco.
One nice way on how this have been put on paper is by Kim Stanley Robinson in The Red Blue Green mars trilogy
Cheers, I'll check that out:)
Marco.
hifi_dave
11-04-2021, 14:11
Had my second AZ vaccination on Friday and so far, no side effects, not even a slightly sore arm.
Once again, the volunteers made it very efficient and effortless. Thanks to all.
walpurgis
11-04-2021, 14:31
Had my second AZ vaccination on Friday and so far, no side effects, not even a slightly sore arm.
Once again, the volunteers made it very efficient and effortless. Thanks to all.
Well done Dave.
The wife and I are waiting for our second jabs. I may phone them this week to see what the score is.
I see Britain should reach the 'herd immunity' threshold tomorrow. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/07/exclusive-britain-will-pass-covid-herd-immunity-threshold-monday/ It might be wise to reserve judgement.
(personally, I think it should be called 'flock immunity' seeing as the public seem like sheep :))
Come this Saturday it will be 10 weeks since my first AZ jab. Perhaps I too should phone up for an appointment.
Come this Saturday it will be 10 weeks since my first AZ jab. Perhaps I too should phone up for an appointment.
ha, im still awaiting my first:doh:
Come this Saturday it will be 10 weeks since my first AZ jab. Perhaps I too should phone up for an appointment.
how long is it supposed to be? 12 weeks?
ha, im still awaiting my first:doh:
Yes, but you are only 27! ;)
how long is it supposed to be? 12 weeks?
Yes.
Yes, but you are only 27! ;)
other way round is much closer.. ive got my mp on it now, but not heard anything:lol: its pretty pathetic tbh.
Filterlab
11-04-2021, 17:17
other way round is much closer.. ive got my mp on it now, but not heard anything:lol: its pretty pathetic tbh.
Could you not just phone your local GP?
other way round is much closer.. ive got my mp on it now, but not heard anything:lol: its pretty pathetic tbh.
At least with having to wait you'll get one of the better ones rather than the AZ. I think with the Moderna you don't need to get a second jab. Or might be one of the others.
Could you not just phone your local GP?
i did.. they say they dont do my age group... :doh: just a lot of back covering.. they said i was on ;list for a home visit over 6 weeks ago and that is all they will say..
ive given mp power to kick bottom but tbh im getting that i dont care any more. :rolleyes:
At least with having to wait you'll get one of the better ones rather than the AZ. I think with the Moderna you don't need to get a second jab. Or might be one of the others.
moderna needs 2 as well afaik. if i do get one ever in home i expect it will be the british one... although the way its going it might be the russian one;)
Filterlab
11-04-2021, 17:50
i did.. they say they dont do my age group... :doh: just a lot of back covering.. they said i was on ;list for a home visit over 6 weeks ago and that is all they will say.
How useful of them.
Pierre De Grenoble
11-04-2021, 18:02
Yes.
I believe that you should be getting your notification of the 2nd jab for no later than 11 weeks after the 1st.
A friend got her notification over a week ago for a 2nd on the 22nd, exactly 11 weeks after the 1st.
I would be picking up the phone.
moderna needs 2 as well afaik. if i do get one ever in home i expect it will be the british one... although the way its going it might be the russian one;)
Or you hang out for the Thai one - it gives you two dicks!:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
11-04-2021, 18:16
other way round is much closer.. ive got my mp on it now, but not heard anything:lol: its pretty pathetic tbh.
If you could get down to Wales, I'm sure Marco would let you be him :)
Pigmy Pony
11-04-2021, 18:18
Sorry just noticed it's a home visit you need.
walpurgis
11-04-2021, 19:38
Or you hang out for the Thai one - it gives you two dicks!:D
Marco.
Hmm. Would they be side by side, or one above the other? :eyebrows:
mad-moon
11-04-2021, 23:39
Or you hang out for the Thai one - it gives you two dicks!:D
Marco.
If so...He'll have to stay out of narrow corridoors or he's going to bang cock...:eyebrows:
Or you hang out for the Thai one - it gives you two dicks!:D
Marco.
in goodfellas i'd be known as jimmy two dicks:D
there was a woman on the news recently who has 2 vaginas :eyebrows:
Hahaha... I wonder how useful that would be for a certain forthcoming sleepover party?:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
Hahaha... I wonder how useful that would be for a certain forthcoming sleepover party?:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
certainly would make things more intresting...;)
if i had one of each, and someone told me to go fcuk myself,....I could:eyebrows:
walpurgis
12-04-2021, 07:33
if i had one of each, and someone told me to go fcuk myself,....I could:eyebrows:
Thing is, which toilets could you use without getting into trouble? :)
Thing is, which toilets could you use without getting into trouble? :)
go in wrong one and your left pissing up a wall, and on floor at same time:lol:
guess its why more toilets are becoming unisex or gender free. ie, individual cubicles with hand wash facilites inside
Those very rare intersex humans still have the one uretha, so whether it exits via the penis or at the base of an ill-defined scrotum determines whether they need to stand or squat to urinate. However human 'hermaphrodites' are incredibly rare so they are not considered. Of more importance is how to cater for those who have identified their gender as different from their sex at birth.
Filterlab
12-04-2021, 18:42
Man this thread has drifted.
Pigmy Pony
12-04-2021, 19:49
I've seen a few pubs on telly today where some sensible distancing has been observed. I have also passed a couple of pubs in Preston where it most certainly hasn't. They resembled beer gardens on a Saturday afternoon during World Cup and England are playing. All dressed up in their just-bought Primark and Sports Direct clobber.
I'm looking forward to 17th May when I can visit my mate and sometimes stay overnight, and Anita can have her friends over. If these dickheads stop that happening through their stupid selfishness I'll be properly pissed off :steam:
Man this thread has drifted.
Classic AoS thread drift, mate... Embrace it and ENJOY it!:D
Marco.
I'm looking forward to 17th May when I can visit my mate and sometimes stay overnight, and Anita can have her friends over.
Enjoy... Don't worry, whilst you're away they'll only be getting pissed, snogging each other and 'road testing' various battery-operated toys, trust me, I know!:lol:;)
Marco.
Filterlab
12-04-2021, 20:24
Classic AoS thread drift, mate... Embrace it and ENJOY it!:D
Marco.
I do, I do. :D
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2021, 06:28
Enjoy... Don't worry, whilst you're away they'll only be getting pissed, snogging each other and 'road testing' various battery-operated toys, trust me, I know!:lol:;)
Marco.
You've just put me off my cornflakes - some of her mates look like my mates in wigs :(
You've just put me off my cornflakes - some of her mates look like my mates in wigs :(
:eek:
You've just put me off my cornflakes - some of her mates look like my mates in wigs :(
That's not all... Did I mention the hired stripper?:D
Marco.
That's not all... Did I mention the hired stripper?:D
Marco.
aye, he strips off the the kitchen wallpaper while the party is on..:eyebrows:
Haha, indeed. That's all he'd be allowed tp do!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2021, 19:45
aye, he strips off the the kitchen wallpaper while the party is on..:eyebrows:
And he makes his own wallpaper paste, but it takes a while :eyebrows: Sorry that was disgusting.
mad-moon
15-04-2021, 11:26
And he makes his own wallpaper paste, but it takes a while :eyebrows: Sorry that was disgusting.
Yeah..flour and water makes a right mess...;)
So does 'marinated' man's milk, when splashed onto 'certain surfaces'..:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
15-04-2021, 21:25
Yeah..flour and water makes a right mess...;)
The author Tom Sharpe (can't remember which book) recommended including raw egg white too :)
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 18:55
If you have been following the news it is now self evident why at the start of this you been told to sing happy birthday and that mask did not work
They been making sure that they bought same shares on the cheap and that wife company get the contracts. Who gives a Fuck (can I say Fuck on this forum?) if a few old gits die they make money out of the inheritance tax any way.
I will remember those names that have been camming up and newer again listen to a single word they have to say they are all black listed as far as I am concern
Mandatory prison terms and charges of treason should be just far to much common sense to be ever considered and will never pass as the opposition is just the same so they do not want a precedent if the time for graft came up for them
Next I will write to the director of the movie Official secrets and ask that the sequel be made earlier IMO there is plenty of stuff to do part 2 and 3
Filterlab
17-04-2021, 19:23
The shares are in a company that does document storage and destruction, which belongs to his sister. The NHS trust that uses the company is in Wales so devolved from central government.
Can't really see any conspiracy there to be honest.
Almost all these things come to nothing either because there is no law being broken or because they've covered their tracks too well.
I mean they're not idiots, mostly, and even the ones who are have mates who are smart.
Sorry, could someone explain what's being discussed here, as I couldn't make head nor tail of what Sandro was on about (sorry Sandro) - it was like you were writing in riddles...
Anyway, if someone could fill me in on what we're talking about, that would be appreciated:)
Marco.
Sorry, could someone explain what's being discussed here, as I couldn't make head nor tail of what Sandro was on about (sorry Sandro) - it was like you were writing in riddles...
Anyway, if someone could fill me in on what we're talking about, that would be appreciated:)
Marco.
So called Lobbying Scandal involving David Cameron and now there's another one with Matt Hancock I think.
Filterlab
17-04-2021, 20:27
Although his business interests were declared anyway, and cleared.
So called Lobbying Scandal involving David Cameron and now there's another one with Matt Hancock I think.
Ah right, I'd heard something about that... So what's that got to do with masks not working and singing happy birthday?:hmm:
Marco.
You have to think back to the start of the pandemic and what Boris was doing then.
I agree it is quite cryptic, you need to do more crosswords :)
Yeah, too much of a brain fuck for me!:D
Sandro, you need to spit it out...;)
Marco.
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:03
Quite simple really
Same old story
You and me and bob are just a number
Bit of a recap
In October there was a phone black out on the area surrounding the level 4 biological lab near Wuhan that is when it all started. PS You are not meant to know that on level 4 biological labs they make viruses and such and most of all that there is one near you
Instead of stopping flights and so on they just let it ride.
The W.H.O told us that a pandemic did not exist in January
Wow big pat on the back those Chinese dudes can build an hospital in a week in February
Then we were told that masks did not work just sing happy birthday when you wash your hands was on the news
Then 4 million spent on sending out a letter… Who owns that company and who is on the board of directors?
Hey maybe we con make people drink bleach the orange one seems to work best for me
Then Black Life Mathers and big thing that Black peoples are more at risk of covid not because of vitamin D deficiency but because they are deprived.
I have taken a few months for them to catch on and finally tell you that mask do actually work and on and on
Why?
GRAFT is the flavour of the week
There is a channel on you tube called Peak Prosperity
Covid-19 A Result of Lab Manipulation? Suspicions Grow... - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD3ztjqYGbg)
Go to the 9th minute if you have no time
Then I am pretty sure you are going to watch the loot
Do same home work and find out the one about a one off the one thousand or so existing pangolins had same sort of intercourse whit a bat.
I am cryptic at times agree whit that, seem to work when facing shorth attention span
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:19
Boosting Your Immune System In Defense Against Coronavirus - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIkXmAI6A0o) one year ago !
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:21
A Simple Way To Combat Coronavirus: Everyone Should Wear A Mask! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN3BWaEH3tY) one year ago !
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:23
President Trump claims injecting people with disinfectant could treat coronavirus - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w)
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:24
Vitamin D Reduces Mortality Risk by -89% - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIb_wX3Y1AE)
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:32
Here's Everything We Should Be Doing Now To Beat The Coronavirus - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-w8umI_IE8)
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:35
The W.H.O. (Finally!) Declares Coronavirus A "Pandemic" - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4N09qsMdPQ) 11th of March 2020 !!!!!
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:39
well search copy and paste in real time
Couple of minutes between posts to find those links
Does not take long even a moronic idiot that has serious spelling problems can do it (I am refering about ME)
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:41
Coronavirus: Boris Johnson Washes Hands While Singing Happy Birthday - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Q9nSHGzzs) 6th of March
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:43
Face masks should not be mandatory, says Michael Gove - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn1dRIqGx9w) 12th July 2020
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:45
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn1dRIqGx9w">Face masks should not be mandatory, says Michael Gove - YouTube</a> 12th July 2020
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:45
Coronavirus: Does wearing a mask actually protect you from Covid-19? Questions answered | 5 News - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1-Prh2N7lc)
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:46
Did you watch official secrets ?
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:47
How the UK government sidestepped the data on coronavirus - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4oLorUZb-E)
Bksabath
17-04-2021, 22:49
Boris Johnson calls face masks in classrooms ‘clearly nonsensical’ - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9ZkEn-lVBU)
I see you dont believe in Vacination for the masses Marco ? Is that a good enough comment to divert attention ??:D
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 06:29
I see you dont believe in Vacination for the masses Marco ? Is that a good enough comment to divert attention ??:D
My understanding is that he does indeed believe in vaccination for the masses, but doesn't consider himself to be part of those masses :D I'm sure he'll be along shortly to clarify :) In the meantime does anyone have anything else covid-related? Anyone? :)
Hi Anto,
Good to see you checking in again. Hope you're well?:)
I see you dont believe in Vacination for the masses Marco ? Is that a good enough comment to divert attention ??:D
Lol... Yes, but with the key word there being 'mandatory'.
I'm very much a proponent of freedoms and civil liberties, and so the *absolute minimum* of things being made compulsory by law (especially being injected with something against your will) in what is a supposedly free country.
However, I'm *NOT* outwardly anti-vax, when necessary to address viruses or diseases, as long as the process is 100% voluntary - and importantly, you aren't victimised for refusing it.
Marco.
walpurgis
18-04-2021, 06:47
My understanding is that he does indeed believe in vaccination for the masses, but doesn't consider himself to be part of those masses :D I'm sure he'll be along shortly to clarify :) In the meantime does anyone have anything else covid-related? Anyone? :)
I caught Covid 19 in January, luckily I was not hospitalised. It's up to the individual of course, but it is a horrible illness and all sensible measures to avoid it should be taken. I can see how so many have died, the onset of breathing difficulties is fast and savage. This is not 'like Flu'!
My understanding is that he does indeed believe in vaccination for the masses, but doesn't consider himself to be part of those masses :D
Lol... Of course one is part of 'the masses', in a contextual sense, but one can still seek to distance oneself from the rest as much as possible, where desired, and most importantly, not replicate their behaviour, if their behaviour is not something one wishes to be a part of:)
Marco (distances himself from the masses, and as far as possible, divorces himself from 'the system').
I caught Covid 19 in January, luckily I was not hospitalised. It's up to the individual of course, but it is a horrible illness and all sensible measures to avoid it should be taken. I can see how so many have died, the onset of breathing difficulties is fast and savage. This is not 'like Flu'!
I know, mate, Del had it (was hospitalised with it), and is still suffering from some mild effects of 'Long Covid'.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 07:41
Lol... Of course one is part of 'the masses', in a contextual sense, but one can still seek to distance oneself from the rest as much as possible, where desired, and most importantly, not replicate their behaviour, if their behaviour is not something one wishes to be a part of:)
Marco (distances himself from the masses, and as far as possible, divorces himself from 'the system').
Pretty much what I said then :) Lot of "ones" in there, you sound like the Queen - you haven't got your castle yet you know :D
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 07:45
I caught Covid 19 in January, luckily I was not hospitalised. It's up to the individual of course, but it is a horrible illness and all sensible measures to avoid it should be taken. I can see how so many have died, the onset of breathing difficulties is fast and savage. This is not 'like Flu'!
Bloke I occasionally work with got it in January too. He's only in his 40s, but said it was the worst time of his life. Said it felt like he was constantly breathing smoke (not fag smoke, more like house fire smoke) and it scared the shit out of him.
Pretty much what I said then :) Lot of "ones" in there, you sound like the Queen - you haven't got your castle yet you know :D
Ha - just thought you'd like it for 'added effect'!:D
Surely your outlook must be something similar? I don't know of anyone who's 'proud to be a sheep':eyebrows:;)
Apart of course from 'Bessie', my erm, significant other...:o
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 07:58
Ha - just thought you'd like it for 'added effect'!:D
Surely your outlook must be something similar? I don't know of anyone who's 'proud to be a sheep shagger':eyebrows:;)
Marco.
No, me neither. But I'll admit that my having the vaccine is to a degree a selfish decision - I'm happy with my own company some of the time, but really thrive on interacting with others in person. And I see the vaccine as a way to bring us back to 'normality' a bit sooner. I've never been what you might call 'risk averse', and am prepared vaccine-wise, to risk it for a biscuit :)
I'm expecting my second jab to come along by about mid-May. Bring it on!
walpurgis
18-04-2021, 08:16
Bloke I occasionally work with got it in January too. He's only in his 40s, but said it was the worst time of his life. Said it felt like he was constantly breathing smoke (not fag smoke, more like house fire smoke) and it scared the shit out of him.
That's a reasonable analogy. It's a weird feeling when you're breathing and realise it's not working.
Whooping cough nearly killed me when I was a kid and that had a similar effect.
No, me neither. But I'll admit that my having the vaccine is to a degree a selfish decision - I'm happy with my own company some of the time, but really thrive on interacting with others in person. And I see the vaccine as a way to bring us back to 'normality' a bit sooner. I've never been what you might call 'risk averse', and am prepared vaccine-wise, to risk it for a biscuit :)
I'm expecting my second jab to come along by about mid-May. Bring it on!
Lol - and may it all go well when the time comes. I'm not saying for definite I won't be having one. I just want to see how things pan out over the next year, not just in terms of the virulent effect of Covid, and how much of a danger it will present to us then, but how the world has evolved in totality, post pandemic.
Plus also to monitor the various side-effects (although so far thankfully minimal) of the available vaccines, some of which have been reported, and we understand their full effect, based on a significant percentage of the populous having acted as test subjects over an extended period (or if vaccines become modified or improved), so that if/when I do have one, I can choose the one *I* think is best/safest, which by then may be an option:)
Even with much more mundane things, involving 'new tech', such as TVs, cars or whatever. I never 'jump straight in' until the tech in question had 'matured' [any problems ironed out], and *I* am satisfied it's the right time to 'invest' - and for me the principle is similar with these new vaccines.
Marco.
Filterlab
18-04-2021, 10:13
You and me and bob are just a number
I am not a number! I'm a free man (ish)!
https://i.ibb.co/1KYzgTx/AB1-BA7-A8-A064-4-C26-BFBA-FCF210-D39963.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Not really a valid analogy, vaccines are not new technology.
It's like your favourite band brings out a new CD. The album is brand new, the technology of the CD is decades old.
A better analogy would be you don't want to buy the new album yet until you've heard it at a mate's house and know it's not crap.
Sure, hence why I placed the key words inside inverted commas, but you get my point. I son't rush into *anything*, receiving vaccines or otherwise, until *I* (no-one else) am as convinced as humanly possible that it's the RIGHT thing to do:)
The fact is, we'll know both rather more about Covid and vaccines in 12 months time than we do now.
Marco.
Sure, but you get my point. I won't rush into *anything* until *I* (no-one else) am as convinced as humanly possible that it's the right thing to do:)
The fact is, we'll know both rather more about Covid and vaccines in 12 months time, than we do now.
Marco.
Well my thinking was that the odds of something happening that would firmly decide me against having the vaccine was so incredibly unlikely that I might as well not hang on and just have it now and get the benefit right away.
Well, that's fine, and I respect that. However, I don't base my life around gambling principles (don't practice that mentality), as I'm not a gambler. Instead, I use my common sense and gut instincts, which have always served me well throughout life.
Also, unlike you, I'm not at the stage yet where (for me personally) I'm convinced of the benefit, hence why I'm willing to wait until sufficient time has elapsed, and relevant information accumulated, to allow me to make the MOST educated decision (for ME), in terms of having a vaccine or not.
Yes, of course there is a risk attached to that, but it's one, based on my relatively young age and good health, I've assessed very carefully and am willing to take:)
Marco.
You and me and bob are just a number
I am not a number! I'm a free man (ish)!
https://i.ibb.co/1KYzgTx/AB1-BA7-A8-A064-4-C26-BFBA-FCF210-D39963.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Lol... The thing is, whilst what Sandro says is an undeniable truism, what could happen with your future largely depends on how much you roll over and accept simply being a 'number' [meekly acquiesce], or how much you're willing to stand up and FIGHT for your freedom and right to be an individual, with a view of FORCING change if necessary.
The fact is, if enough people WANT something to happen (or not), as the case may be, IT WILL HAPPEN (or not), as it is ultimately the people who decide, not the government. I'll NEVER come into the 'meekly acquiesce' category, as that's fundamentally not how I'm wired.
Anyway, I've said this repeatedly throughout the thread, but it's worth repeating again: There is NO point in simply being alive, if you can't LIVE - and only if you are FREE, can you truly LIVE.
Therefore, going forward, I intend on having a life that's worth LIVING, as a FREE man, not simply an existence [under state control or similar] - and we should ALL be striving for the same!:cool:
Marco.
Well, you could argue that the fundamental message of 'The Prisoner' is that physical restrictions are irrelevant and that only true prison is one's own mind.
On the other hand I'm not sure that even McGoohan knew what it was all about.
Well, you could argue that the fundamental message of 'The Prisoner' is that physical restrictions are irrelevant and that only true prison is one's own mind.
Yes, and in future we may come to realise how true that statement is, which is precisely why now it's so vital to retain your OWN MIND and remain a FREE-THINKER!;)
...and not become anyone's puppet or 'clone'. That's why you should always resist being controlled (led like a sheep), or ruled by the state - and NOT becoming a slave to technology (allowing it to RULE your life) is a big part in being able to achieve that.
Sadly, however for some, it's already too late...
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 11:46
Lol... The thing is, while what Sandro says is an undeniable truism, what could happen with your future largely depends on how much you roll over and 'accept' simply being a 'number' [meekly acquiesce], or how much you're willing to stand up and FIGHT for your freedom and right to be an individual, with a view of FORCING change if necessary.
The fact is, if enough people WANT something to happen (or not), as the case may be, IT WILL HAPPEN, as it is ultimately the people who are in control, not the government.
I'll NEVER come into the 'meekly acquiesce' category', as that's fundamentally not how I'm wired. I've said this repeatedly throughout this thread, but it's worth repeating again:
There is NO point in simply being alive if you can't LIVE, and only if you are FREE can you LIVE.
Marco.
Hmm, standing up and fighting for your rights sounds like it might be a bit dangerous. I think maybe I should sit and wait until the fighting's done, and if "we" are victorious I will then sign up :)
You've got to fight for your right to party. I wrote a song about it but ended up infringing on one that was written years ago.
Hmm, standing up and fighting for your rights sounds like it might be a bit dangerous. I think maybe I should sit and wait until the fighting's done, and if "we" are victorious I will then sign up :)
More of a lover than a fighter, eh... Would Anita back you up on that?:D;)
Marco.
make love, not war.. a good motto.:)
Filterlab
18-04-2021, 12:27
Lol... Yes, but with the key word there being 'mandatory'.
It amazes me how many people don't notice that word - they read their own agenda into the sentence and then say you state something completely different. :lol:
I know - and there's really NO excuse, as I couldn't be any plainer!:doh:
Marco.
make love, not war.. a good motto.:)
Especially when you have a rather lovely wife or partner;)
Marco.
Especially when you have a rather lovely wife or partner;)
Marco.
or a good ewe:D
Aye, make me baa like a Dorset Horn [if necessary, look it up]:D
Marco.
does dorset give one the horn then ??:ner: great breeders but endangered
Bksabath
18-04-2021, 14:34
Lol... The thing is, whilst what Sandro says is an undeniable truism, what could happen with your future largely depends on how much you roll over and accept simply being a 'number' [meekly acquiesce], or how much you're willing to stand up and FIGHT for your freedom and right to be an individual, with a view of FORCING change if necessary.
The fact is, if enough people WANT something to happen (or not), as the case may be, IT WILL HAPPEN (or not), as it is ultimately the people who decide, not the government. I'll NEVER come into the 'meekly acquiesce' category, as that's fundamentally not how I'm wired.
Anyway, I've said this repeatedly throughout the thread, but it's worth repeating again: There is NO point in simply being alive, if you can't LIVE - and only if you are FREE, can you truly LIVE.
Therefore, going forward, I intend on having a life that's worth LIVING, as a FREE man, not simply an existence [under state control or similar] - and we should ALL be striving for the same!:cool:
Marco.
Ear ear
Next step
Let them know about it. when the time came make the effort needed to put your scratch on a piece of paper
Local elections on the 6th May here in Liverpool ...
Yup, we need to get the Tories OUT!
Marco.
Afternoon all !! I was busy farming ,and hadnt seen your reply Marco :)
I liken vaccination need to our dairy cow situation in a way . I attended college in the late 70's and we were taught about the benefits of cattle /pig vaccines and how they worked , yet my Dad wasnt convinced .
In the last ten years or more we use regular vaccination for diseases such as IBR , for example and you can get away without using vaccination most of the time but naive animals can get seriously ill with IBR (Infectious Bovine Rhinitis )
Its a virus that lives in infected anaimals but only sheds when that animal is under stress . The one thats not seen it can be really ill ,but most times it just like flu type stuff then they recover !
Also other things like Lepto and BVD we quard against. So yearly jabs for the ladies !
So ,have the vaccination please ,but if you prefer to play roulette with your life ,then risk not having it .
As they say ,the risk without it , is much greater than having had it !!;)
Do well ,I must dash !!
No worries, Anto. I take on board all of that, although I have no experience of farming, but don't doubt that the vaccinations for your cattle, as mentioned, are vital, and I hope they continue to stay healthy and productive:)
So ,have the vaccination please ,but if you prefer to play roulette with your life ,then risk not having it .
As they say ,the risk without it , is much greater than having had it !!;)
Do well ,I must dash !!
Cheers, and you also. As for the bit in bold, there are two ways of looking at that, if you consider the risk as potentially being more the other way round;)
Life is full of risks, and I may not be right, but after much thought, I've come to the decision that I'm confident I can cope with the thread of Covid, being reasonably young, healthy and with having a strong natural immune system, more than I may be able to cope with any adverse effects, particularly in the long term, an untried (on me) vaccine may have on my body.
That said (and indeed as I stated earlier), nothing is written in stone. Therefore, with an appropriate passage of time (based on my judgement criteria) and the revealing of more data, in terms of the medium to long-term effects of these vaccines, and if all seems well, or indeed if their efficacy is further improved, I may change my mind then.
However, for now, thanks for your thoughts and stay safe!:cool:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 17:25
More of a lover than a fighter, eh... Would Anita back you up on that?:D;)
Marco.
Oh yes, she'll be right behind me, which is not as good as when I'm right behind her :eyebrows: When the revolution comes on the 6 o'clock news*, rest assured that we will be (quietly) rooting for you, with Alexa switched off :)
*Although I did hear somewhere that the revolution will not be televised.
im currently against mandatory vaccines for public, although if things change for worse(a lot worse) i might feel different.. but for , say, care home staff, i think there may be a case for it.
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 17:37
im currently against mandatory vaccines for public, although if things change for worse(a lot worse) i might feel different.. but for , say, care home staff, i think there may be a case for it.
I agree, although that wouldn't actually be mandatory in the truest sense, but a requirement for staffs' continued employment. For the welfare of the patients, which has to be paramount.
Oh yes, she'll be right behind me, which is not as good as when I'm right behind her :eyebrows: When the revolution comes on the 6 o'clock news*, rest assured that we will be (quietly) rooting for you, with Alexa switched off :)
*Although I did hear somewhere that the revolution will not be televised.
:D:eyebrows:
I wonder if Alexa likes it up the ass?:hmm:
Marco.
I agree, although that wouldn't actually be mandatory in the truest sense, but a requirement for staffs' continued employment. For the welfare of the patients, which has to be paramount.
In principle, I agree, but it's the precedent these things could set in other areas, and how much further they could be taken or abused by the state, if given the right excuse. Being very much a 'free spirit' and champion of civil liberties, I baulk at, and indeed feel very uncomfortable whenever I hear the word 'mandatory', in ANY context.
I'm neither naturally predisposed, nor used to, following orders!
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 22:07
:D:eyebrows:
I wonder if Alexa likes it up the ass?:hmm:
Marco.
Yes, and rather more than you would like Alexa up your ass. Google "Assistant" is a more bum-friendly shape :) The older ones resemble your fireside butt plug...
Do you have Alexa installed in the bedroom, so she can offer post-coital critique of your 'disappointing performances'?:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
20-04-2021, 06:12
Do you have Alexa installed in the bedroom, so she can offer post-coital critique of your 'disappointing performances'?:D
Marco.
Hmm, now we're getting to the real reason you won't have one - you can unplug it, you know :) Besides, your sub-optimal prowess is no secret, it's all they talk about down on the farm :doh:
ive one of the old big ones.;). when they were better made imo.. i dont use it tho. it was just bought for me. it doesnt understand me anyway so its just a decoration now:lol:
mad-moon
20-04-2021, 09:42
It's listening, even though you think it isn't. It's just a spy in your home.;)
It's listening, even though you think it isn't. It's just a spy in your home.;)
no power then no listen;) got alexa on amazon tv stick anyway.
ive one of the old big ones.;). when they were better made imo.. i dont use it tho. it was just bought for me. it doesnt understand me anyway so its just a decoration now:lol:
I think that you may be talking about "Alexa". BUT given some of the previous posts I am wondering :lol:
Bksabath
21-04-2021, 04:43
Yup, we need to get the Tories OUT!
Marco.
not so sure about that
They are all the same
At present it is a Labour Mayor that has been arrested for Graft so my vote will be to whoever that will hurt that bunch the most.
The only thing that matters is that one go out and do vote and voting for the opposition no matter what that may be is the only way to say: I am not happy whit the service you provided so far.
This is the only way to make politics irrelevant as it should be
The welfare of the population should be a matter of common sense and science.
It is the same principle any one apply when choosing for example a broad band or energy provider
You look for the one that is cheaper or that give's you better service
And once the cheap introductory rate end you tell them that you are going to somebody else because they are cheaper!
Most probably you get a discount
walpurgis
21-04-2021, 06:49
Labour? Tory? It's just swapping one bunch of dodgy, self-interested scumbags for another. They don't really run the country anyway, the BIG money does!
Labour? Tory? It's just swapping one bunch of dodgy, self-interested scumbags for another. They don't really run the country anyway, the BIG money does!
Largely true only Labour has the whole woke thing going on which the Tories don't, and I would never vote for that, or for Socialism.
If it wasn't for that I would go back to not voting at all, which was my position for many years. Where I live we have gone in 20 years from a very safe Labour seat to a marginal, currently with a Tory in place on a tiny majority. So my vote can make a difference now, which it couldn't before.
Bksabath
21-04-2021, 08:35
Labour? Tory? It's just swapping one bunch of dodgy, self-interested scumbags for another. They don't really run the country anyway, the BIG money does!
Agree 100%
Voting for what ever opposition send the message that you are not happy. no voting send no message.
Even voting for same one wearing a colander on his head is betterer IMO
Stryder5
21-04-2021, 12:56
Found this, I’ve copied a section that I think is relevant.
https://jrnyquist.blog/2019/09/11/the-secret-speech-of-general-chi-haotian/
Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev Foundation, funded by the United States, gathered 500 of the world’s most important statesmen, economic leaders and scientists, including George W. Bush (he was not the U.S. president at the time), the Baroness Thatcher, Tony Blair, Zbigniew Brzezinski, as well as George Soros, Bill Gates, futurist John Naisbitt, etc., all of the world’s most popular characters, in the San Francisco Fairmont hotel for a high-level roundtable conference, discussing problems about globalization and how to guide humanity to move forward into the 21st century. According to what He Xin had in hand, the outstanding people of the world in attendance thought that in the 21st century a mere 20 percent of the world’s population will be sufficient to maintain the world’s economy and prosperity, the other 80 percent or 4/5ths of the world’s population will be human garbage unable to produce new values. The people in attendance thought that this excess 80 percent population would be a trash population and “high-tech” means should be used to eliminate them gradually.
Gary
Ah, Gary, I was wondering where you'd got to!;)
Still well, I hope?:)
Marco.
Labour? Tory? It's just swapping one bunch of dodgy, self-interested scumbags for another. They don't really run the country anyway, the BIG money does!
The difference for me is that the labour party isn't led by an anti-Scottish bigot, who really only cares about London, plus I abhor staunchly right-wing capitalist values, which the Tories are all about. That's why I voted Labour at the last election, in a failed attempt to keep BJ-boy out, even though I'm not a staunch socialist either.
If anything, my values lean more towards the Liberals, but have always considered it as a wasted vote, as they're unlikely to get in. Therefore the voting process for me, for the time being, is about trying to keep out the greater of two evils!
Marco.
Stryder5
21-04-2021, 16:54
Hi Marco,
Thanks, better now warmer weather is here thanks, hope you and yours are well too?
Been busy fitting 4 oak doors upstairs, 3 done. Fitted new front gate, have new fence to fit. My sports car has questionable readings on two gauges, it’s either sensors or gauges have dash out to fault find.
Oh, I forgot, dislocated small toe which is painful. NHS GP’s won’t even refer me.....due to CV19. Hospitals near me are empty but for them a great excuse.
Gary
Ps Love the T shirt.
Ah, Gary, I was wondering where you'd got to!;)
Still well, I hope?:)
Marco.
Good to hear you're well, mate. Yup, we're both fine:)
What's your sports car - sounds interesting? Hope you manage to fix the issues concerned. Yup, best to keep busy and your mind focused as much on normal things as possible, in these crazy times:mental:
Glad you like the t-shirt, lol... We'll all be wearing them come the revolution!;)
Marco.
Stryder5
22-04-2021, 12:35
Hi Marco,
Always wanted a Severnesqu car since watching the Prisoner.
29416
So I built this, bodywork from Westfield but nothing else. Thought their chassis was a bit naff, so designed my own brazing the joints (as using MIG welding tends to make the tube brittle and you have to use thicker tube) so using lightweight tube, my chassis is stiffer, more durable and lighter.
Engine is 2L Zetec, blueprinted by me (each piston and rings took about 4 hours hand fettling) 208bhp @ 7500k, special cams, direct to head (no manifold) fuel injection, Omex processor for injection and timing. The exhaust exits from the bonnet giving straight airflow from each of the 4 throttle bodies.
Front brakes 6 pot callipers each pot different dia, no servo. Golf rears.
MT75 gearbox, LSD.
Corner weights set with me on board, 620kg.
1240 rivets. :)
Gary
Good to hear you're well, mate. Yup, we're both fine:)
What's your sports car - sounds interesting? Hope you manage to fix the issues concerned. Yup, best to keep busy and your mind focused as much on normal things as possible, in these crazy times:mental:
Glad you like the t-shirt, lol... We'll all be wearing them come the revolution!;)
Marco.
Firebottle
22-04-2021, 16:25
Believe me Gary's car is impressive, I have had the experience :)
Lol - I don't doubt it. Sounds and looks freaking awesome!:wow:
Gary, why haven't you told us about this on the car thread?:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
22-04-2021, 18:08
Hi Marco,
Always wanted a Severnesqu car since watching the Prisoner.
29416
So I built this, bodywork from Westfield but nothing else. Thought their chassis was a bit naff, so designed my own brazing the joints (as using MIG welding tends to make the tube brittle and you have to use thicker tube) so using lightweight tube, my chassis is stiffer, more durable and lighter.
Engine is 2L Zetec, blueprinted by me (each piston and rings took about 4 hours hand fettling) 208bhp @ 7500k, special cams, direct to head (no manifold) fuel injection, Omex processor for injection and timing. The exhaust exits from the bonnet giving straight airflow from each of the 4 throttle bodies.
Front brakes 6 pot callipers each pot different dia, no servo. Golf rears.
MT75 gearbox, LSD.
Corner weights set with me on board, 620kg.
1240 rivets. :)
Gary
Given that the kerb weight of a Mondeo is around 1500kg, you have the rough equivalent of a Zetec Mondeo making well over 500bhp, but with sharper handling and a 0-60mph of approximately :eek::eek::eek:
:respect:
Stryder5
22-04-2021, 18:13
About 3.5 secs given dry road and warm tyres :)
Gary
Given that the kerb weight of a Mondeo is around 1500kg, you have the rough equivalent of a Zetec Mondeo making well over 500bhp, but with sharper handling and a 0-60mph of approximately :eek::eek::eek:
:respect:
dave2010
23-04-2021, 12:05
About 3.5 secs given dry road and warm tyres :)
GaryDo you often do that? I get s*** scared if I try anything anywhere near that fast, though I know some cars can accelerate even faster. Last time I looked my car had a software update to just around 4 seconds. Also one has to watch out for potholes - as well as other hazards.
About 3.5 secs given dry road and warm tyres :)
Gary
Haha - sounds like a fucking riot, mate!:D
Would love to have a go behind the wheel if I got the chance:carrot::)
Marco.
In other news, this makes amusing reading, if (like me) you detest BJ and the lying scumbag Tories: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/sacked-minister-launches-astonishing-attack-172629073.html
Nothing we didn't already know, though....:rolleyes:
Marco.
mad-moon
23-04-2021, 20:03
Hi Marco,
Always wanted a Severnesqu car since watching the Prisoner.
29416
So I built this, bodywork from Westfield but nothing else. Thought their chassis was a bit naff, so designed my own brazing the joints (as using MIG welding tends to make the tube brittle and you have to use thicker tube) so using lightweight tube, my chassis is stiffer, more durable and lighter.
Engine is 2L Zetec, blueprinted by me (each piston and rings took about 4 hours hand fettling) 208bhp @ 7500k, special cams, direct to head (no manifold) fuel injection, Omex processor for injection and timing. The exhaust exits from the bonnet giving straight airflow from each of the 4 throttle bodies.
Front brakes 6 pot callipers each pot different dia, no servo. Golf rears.
MT75 gearbox, LSD.
Corner weights set with me on board, 620kg.
1240 rivets. :)
Gary
Oooooo I'd love to have a play with this...I'm an old petrol head..I had some fast cars in my younger days...but nothing that would do 0-60 under 4 seconds...I raced karts as a young one......I had an old Birrel to start with...then i bought my boss's at the time, Deavinson's Sprint...Fantastic doing over 100mph with your backside only 3 inches from the tarmac..fun days in my late teens and early 20's..
Pigmy Pony
24-04-2021, 06:20
Do you often do that? I get s*** scared if I try anything anywhere near that fast, though I know some cars can accelerate even faster. Last time I looked my car had a software update to just around 4 seconds. Also one has to watch out for potholes - as well as other hazards.
Yeah, pot holes, our weather, old blokes in trilbys, young blokes in baseball caps, kids who never learned the Green Cross code, iZombies, speed cameras, drivers distracted by their in-car gadgetry. You couldn't safely exploit that kind of performance on British roads - ideally you'd need a track as well as as a fair amount of skill, and balls of steel.
Still must be great fun to burn off just about everything out there :) Cars these days increasingly do the driving for you it seems, Gary's motor must be a refreshing change
Stryder5
24-04-2021, 07:15
It’s not the 0-60 time that’s probably the most fun, it’s the in gear acceleration for overtaking!
I’m not too far from Wrexham....
Gary
Haha - sounds like a fucking riot, mate!:D
Would love to have a go behind the wheel if I got the chance:carrot::)
Marco.
Stryder5
24-04-2021, 07:27
I’m an old petrol head too, addicted to Castrol R. Motorbikes first that teaches you to treat other road users as assassins, spent a while in hospital, released from hospital with right leg in full plaster. You can ride a motorcycle like this.......lol.
I too raced karts, still have the lap record at Brands Hatch for Class IV karts ( they no longer have this class :))
Went on to race Simca Rally II’s for the factory team.
Gary
Oooooo I'd love to have a play with this...I'm an old petrol head..I had some fast cars in my younger days...but nothing that would do 0-60 under 4 seconds...I raced carts as a young one......I had an old Birrel to start with...then i bought my boss's at the time, Deavinson's Sprint...Fantastic doing over 100mph with your backside only 3 inches from the tarmac..fun days in my late teens and early 20's..
Sorry to change the Tone chaps...
Very jealous of your car Gary!
Self built too, as an engineer have a lot of respect for this.
Ok...
apologies again.
What's your definition of "Woke" Martin? (not looking for argy-bargy, :), just wondering...)
Largely true only Labour has the whole woke thing going on which the Tories don't, and I would never vote for that, or for Socialism.
If it wasn't for that I would go back to not voting at all, which was my position for many years. Where I live we have gone in 20 years from a very safe Labour seat to a marginal, currently with a Tory in place on a tiny majority. So my vote can make a difference now, which it couldn't before.
It’s not the 0-60 time that’s probably the most fun, it’s the in gear acceleration for overtaking!
I’m not too far from Wrexham....
That's true, mate. Maybe we could hook up when things ease off more?:)
Marco.
Stryder5
24-04-2021, 08:14
I think if you’ve never ridden a high powered motorcycle or car on today’s roads and tracks with all your dangers listed, and have spent your driving experience in a modern box, it may create an impossibility in the imagination that to safely exploit this performance doesn’t compute.
There are massive risks in driving today for anyone. We all have certain reaction times and threat awareness.
It is great fun, and a thrill.....I love it:)
Gary
Yeah, pot holes, our weather, old blokes in trilbys, young blokes in baseball caps, kids who never learned the Green Cross code, iZombies, speed cameras, drivers distracted by their in-car gadgetry. You couldn't safely exploit that kind of performance on British roads - ideally you'd need a track as well as as a fair amount of skill, and balls of steel.
Still must be great fun to burn off just about everything out there :) Cars these days increasingly do the driving for you it seems, Gary's motor must be a refreshing change
Sorry to change the Tone chaps...
Very jealous of your car Gary!
Self built too, as an engineer have a lot of respect for this.
Ok...
apologies again.
What's your definition of "Woke" Martin? (not looking for argy-bargy, :), just wondering...)
The same as the dictionary definition 'alert to injustice in society, especially racism'
The thing is, almost everyone knows racism is wrong, sexism is wrong, and no-one likes injustice. Now you might have a few people who don't think racism is wrong or sexism is wrong, but they're not going to change their minds about it because they are harangued by some shrill, middle-class lefty who is so deluded with a sense of their own self importance that they think it is their calling to change the world.
And the rest of us are sick of being lectured about it. It's patronising and annoying.
And injustice, like the poor, will always be with us. The idea that you can somehow use legislation to create a perfect world with no injustice and where everyone is always pleasant to each other is risible. It's a childish fantasy and it does more harm than good. In fact it doesn't do any good at all.
only way to cure that kind of thing, is for it to be educated into people at a young age. people are not born with a colour bar, its given to them via parents, teachers and their peers, who got it from their parents, teachers and peers. you need to break that link, but without the constant harping and the 'all white folk are racists' stuff, which just angers the people who didnt have an issue with it before.
It is a long term thing tho. it wont change quickly. these things, like religion are deeply ingrained in societies and religions, not just people.
and to be clear, black people can be racist too, as can any colour or creed.
only way to cure that kind of thing, is for it to be educated into people at a young age. people are not born with a colour bar, its given to them via parents, teachers and their peers, who got it from their parents, teachers and peers. you need to break that link, but without the constant harping and the 'all white folk are racists' stuff, which just angers the people who didnt have an issue with it before.
It is a long term thing tho. it wont change quickly. these things, like religion are deeply ingrained in societies and religions, not just people.
and to be clear, black people can be racist too, as can any colour or creed.
Yes, agree on all counts.
The Romans knew it 2000 years ago:
Quidquid praecipies, esto brevis - 'If you are going to moralize, make it brief.'
Filterlab
24-04-2021, 09:09
It’s not the 0-60 time that’s probably the most fun, it’s the in gear acceleration for overtaking!
Gary
That's what I used to love about all my Saabs; the midrange acceleration was incredible, in fact my 9000 CSE 2.3 HPT (which had had some mods, although I've no idea what) would pull so hard that it was possible to induce wheel-spin at 40mph in 3rd with full throttle applied. Laugh a minute that car, and yet a brilliant continental cruiser at all other times.
That's what I used to love about all my Saabs; the midrange acceleration was incredible, in fact my 9000 CSE 2.3 HPT (which had had some mods, although I've no idea what) would pull so hard that it was possible to induce wheel-spin at 40mph in 3rd with full throttle applied. Laugh a minute that car, and yet a brilliant continental cruiser at all other times.
used to have a saab 900.. was a drivers car and fitted driver like a glove..not perfect by any means but lots of fun that way
Filterlab
24-04-2021, 09:19
Saabs were great.
The last one I had was a 9-3 Aero Convertible. Very fast, immense handling, the feel-good factor multiplied with the roof down. Sounded fantastic, loads of trick in it too.
mad-moon
24-04-2021, 10:06
The same as the dictionary definition 'alert to injustice in society, especially racism'
The thing is, almost everyone knows racism is wrong, sexism is wrong, and no-one likes injustice. Now you might have a few people who don't think racism is wrong or sexism is wrong, but they're not going to change their minds about it because they are harangued by some shrill, middle-class lefty who is so deluded with a sense of their own self importance that they think it is their calling to change the world.
And the rest of us are sick of being lectured about it. It's patronising and annoying.
And injustice, like the poor, will always be with us. The idea that you can somehow use legislation to create a perfect world with no injustice and where everyone is always pleasant to each other is risible. It's a childish fantasy and it does more harm than good. In fact it doesn't do any good at all.
good reply and an excellent post...:thumbsup:
I understand and appreciate the rest of your post, and largely agree. However...
The idea that you can somehow use legislation to create a perfect world with no injustice and **where everyone is always pleasant to each other is risible**.
Simply in terms of the latter, why so? If I didn't know better, I'd expect that sort of comment to have been uttered by a rather grumpy and unhappy person, disillusioned with life...
I don't know about you, but when I wake up every morning my goal is precisely that: to be nice to people, unless given a suitable excuse not to;)
So what's the downside then in folk being nice to each other...?
There are too many grumps (angry people) around these days with huge chips on their shoulders and wearing permanent scowls on their faces, so where possible I like to do my best to reverse that trend, and instead smile, especially when that's what I'm used to from those who inhabit 'my world':)
Marco.
Saabs were great.
The last one I had was a 9-3 Aero Convertible. Very fast, immense handling, the feel-good factor multiplied with the roof down. Sounded fantastic, loads of trick in it too.
Yup, Saabs ROCK! Or rather they used to... As a lover of quality 'proper' cars, it was a sad day when they went bust:(
Marco.
I nearly bought a Saab once. Classical styling and built like a tank.
I understand and appreciate the rest of your post, and largely agree. However...
Simply in terms of the latter, why so? If I didn't know better, I'd expect that sort of comment to have been uttered by a rather grumpy and unhappy person, disillusioned with life...
I don't know about you, but when I wake up every morning my goal is precisely that: to be nice to people, unless given a suitable excuse not to;)
So what's the downside in folk being nice to each other...?
There are too many grumps (angry people) around these days, wearing permanent scowls on their faces, so where possible I like to do my best to reverse that trend, and instead smile, especially when that's what I'm used to in 'my world':)
Marco.
There's no downside and it would be great if everyone was always nice to each other. But it's an impossible dream. Trying to force that outcome via legislation or haranguing people about it actually makes things worse. That was the point I was making.
walpurgis
24-04-2021, 11:17
I nearly bought a Saab once. Classical styling and built like a tank.
I had a Saab 99 about forty years ago. Nicely built, but deadly dull. Swapped it for a TR7 from a guy at work, that was much more fun and surprisingly reliable.
There's no downside and it would be great if everyone was always nice to each other. But it's an impossible dream. Trying to force that outcome via legislation or haranguing people about it actually makes things worse. That was the point I was making.
Sure, I get that. However, as Grant said earlier, it's more about EDUCATING than legislating.
To make things better, what we need to do is put steps in place to change/modify our current culture, and EDUCATE people. from the ground roots up, to better (read as nicer, more considerate) human beings and parents, so that we start to BREED more people deserved of that title (a human being), rather than that of an animal (although that would often be an insult to animals) - and then lay down an infrastructure designed, where possible, to promote those types of people to occupy positions of influence in society, instead of the selfish 'greed for gold', power-hungry morons currently occupying those positions!
It's impossible to create a 'perfect world', but it's certainly not impossible to make the one we live in a damn sight better for the majority who live in ti, as opposed to a select few.
Marco.
Saabs were great.
The last one I had was a 9-3 Aero Convertible. Very fast, immense handling, the feel-good factor multiplied with the roof down. Sounded fantastic, loads of trick in it too.
We had one until a couple of years ago (93 turbo convertible), as you say, lovely car Fliss and I still miss it (road tax was extortionate though - over £500 per annum, went to BMW 3 series diesel £20 per annum).
I seem to remember Jeremy Clarkson rating SAAB - he said that when GM took over, they recommended a whole load of cost cutting changes to the cars, which SAAB management ignored resulting in final financial collapse :(
I had a Saab 99 about forty years ago. Nicely built, but deadly dull. Swapped it for a TR7 from a guy at work, that was much more fun and surprisingly reliable.
That goes without saying! :)
Can't remember the Saab model I briefly showed an interest in. It wouldn't have been a 'sporty' model as I'm not a petrol head. Whichever model it was, Marco would no-doubt say it fitted in with his mental image of me as Mr Magoo. ;)
Sure, I get that. However, as Grant said earlier, it's more about EDUCATING than legislating.
To make things better, what we need to do is put steps in place to change/modify our current culture, and EDUCATE people. from the ground roots up, to better (read as nicer, more considerate) human beings and parents, so that we start to BREED more people deserved of that title (a human being), rather than that of an animal (although that would often be an insult to animals) - and then lay down an infrastructure designed, where possible, to promote those types of people to occupy positions of influence in society, instead of the selfish 'greed for gold', power-hungry morons currently occupying those positions!
It's impossible to create a 'perfect world', but it's certainly not impossible to make the one we live in a damn sight better for the majority who live in ti, as opposed to a select few.
Marco.
But we are animals, we are just a species of ape. Consideration, selflessness, co-operation for the greater good, civilisation in general, these things are the aberration not the norm. We're lucky it is as good as it is, it's been a lot worse in the past.
The problem is these woke people have some sort of Jesus complex where they believe themselves to be perfect and, since that didn't take them much effort, cannot understand why everyone else can't measure up to their standards. They think that other people must be behaving badly deliberately. But it's a fantasy. In reality they are just as selfish, greedy, stupid as the next person. They just don't see it.
Rather than crusading to change the world and telling everyone else how to behave, they'd be better off just concentrating on being good people in their own lives. After all, if everyone just concentrated on improving their own behaviour instead of criticising other people's then we might actually see some progress toward a happier world. But that's not how those types get their kicks.
Saab's...
great as they are, and they are.
Knew a Swedish Gal that was on the design team for the '37.
Anyways.
MACCA SAID:
"Now you might have a few people who don't think racism is wrong or sexism is wrong,
but they're not going to change their minds about it because they are harangued by some shrill, middle-class lefty who is so deluded with a sense of their own self importance that they think it is their calling to change the world.
And the rest of us are sick of being lectured about it. It's patronising and annoying."
So:
Going on the assumption that Racism and Sexism is wrong
The issue is the delivery style of the Messenger for saying it in the wrong way? :scratch:
(Dont shoot him btw)
Hopefully,
Were all calling out Racism and Sexism every day of our own lives when we see it at work, the shops or wherever?
Saab's...
great as they are, and they are.
Knew a Swedish Gal that was on the design team for the '37, but that aside...
Macca said:
"Now you might have a few people who don't think racism is wrong or sexism is wrong,
but they're not going to change their minds about it because they are harangued by some shrill, middle-class lefty who is so deluded with a sense of their own self importance that they think it is their calling to change the world.
And the rest of us are sick of being lectured about it. It's patronising and annoying."
So: Going on the assumption that Racism and Sexism is wrong...
Problem is the delivery style of the Messenger for saying it in the wrong way? :scratch:
(Dont shoot him btw)
No! It's the motivation of the messenger that's the problem. Some of the messengers are not doing it for the reasons they say they are. And the rest of them are not doing it for the reasons they think they are.
Added to which everyone who cares already got the message ages ago, and those who don't care didn't read it when they got it and aren't ever going to read it no matter how many times they are sent it.
Wut?
"Motivation of the Messenger?"
When they are calling out Racism and corruption?
https://i.imgur.com/SLzPxyg.jpg
Essentially, Gaz, no-one likes being preached to, or having a specific set of morals showed down their throats, regardless of how seemingly well-intended.
I know exactly where Martin's coming from, and agree. I see it all too often in the Catholic church, myself being a Catholic (or with other religions): vociferous 'doo-gooders', preaching to all and sundry about 'right and wrong' and hiding behind a facade of decency, whilst their own morals are often in the gutter.
Priests love coming round to our house for dinner, not just because most of them are pissheads:D and also love good food, but because although we're religious, we're not 'holy Joes'!
I'm afraid I have little time for today's 'snowflake generation', many of whom make up the current 'woke set', as genuine racism aside, which is abhorrent in all its forms, they simply seem intent on making a career out of taking offence at the slightest bloody thing:doh:
I'd give some of them a damn good slap. and buy them all t-shirts with 'Grow Some Balls' written on the front!
Marco.
Can't speak for for everyone, but like yourself I don't certainly enjoy being preached to, no matter how well intended.
Speak right from wrong. It's not that hard.
When you see it...call it out, every minute of every day.
mad-moon
24-04-2021, 13:24
Can't speak for for everyone, but like yourself I don't certainly enjoy being preached to, no matter how well intended.
Speak right from wrong. It's not that hard.
When you see it...call it out, every minute of every day.
Hmmm did that once when I was a young man...two arseholes were kicking shit out of a copper on the main street in town...with a crowd of idiots around them watching it happen..I did more than make my self extremely verbal...I run in and kicked one of the arseholes in the face and the other in the balls, as the copper lay dazed and confused on the pavement, bleeding profusely. At that moment a dozen coppers turned up and proceeded to throw ME with the 2 arseholes into the back of a police van...Luckily the copper who was hurt was screaming at the top of his voice..get him out, get him out...but by the time they did...I'd had a good kicking in the back of the van by 2 fucking arseholes....That's what a good deed got me Gaz....
Can't speak for for everyone, but like yourself I don't certainly enjoy being preached to, no matter how well intended.
Speak right from wrong. It's not that hard.
When you see it...call it out, every minute of every day.
But what does that mean 'call it out?'. Exactly what does that entail? If it means actively preventing an injustice that's happening in your immediate environment I'm fine with that.
Anything beyond that I'm not so sure.
Hmmm did that once when I was a young man...two arseholes were kicking shit out of a copper on the main street in town...with a crowd of idiots around them watching it happen..I did more than make my self extremely verbal...I run in and kicked one of the arseholes in the face and the other in the balls, as the copper lay dazed and confused on the pavement, bleeding profusely. At that moment a dozen coppers turned up and proceeded to throw ME with the 2 arseholes into the back of a police van...Luckily the copper who was hurt was screaming at the top of his voice..get him out, get him out...but by the time they did...I'd had a good kicking in the back of the van by 2 fucking arseholes....That's what a good deed got me Gaz....
I think I'd rather have the kicking than live for the rest of my life with the thought that I did nothing. But it's not an easy decision to make and in those situations you don't have the time to ponder it.
mad-moon
24-04-2021, 13:36
I think I'd rather have the kicking than live for the rest of my life with the thought that I did nothing. But it's not an easy decision to make and in those situations you don't have the time to ponder it.
I thought twice, every incident I seen after that...though I did try to stop this guy from breaking his wifes arm, only to have both of them turn on me and his missus had nails like talons..that was the final straw....
Filterlab
24-04-2021, 14:29
Yup, Saabs ROCK! Or rather they used to... As a lover of quality 'proper' cars, it was a sad day when they went bust:(
Marco.
Definitely. There are some good ones left, but one has to search - and be prepared for the cost of the twiddly bits. A retirement project for me I feel. Half a dozen of the best ones. :D
But what does that mean 'call it out?'. Exactly what does that entail? If it means actively preventing an injustice that's happening in your immediate environment I'm fine with that.
Anything beyond that I'm not so sure.
Same.:thumbsup:
I'd maybe add (for Me), always speak truth to power.
Worst you can get is a punch in the mouth, and that's nothing.
Same.:thumbsup:
I'd maybe add (for Me), always speak truth to power.
Worst you can get is a punch in the mouth, and that's nothing.
yeah or a knife between ribs...
Filterlab
24-04-2021, 17:52
yeah or a knife between ribs...
I suppose it depends what restaurant one is in.
Perhaps not the best place for vegetarians:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
24-04-2021, 18:53
I suppose it depends what restaurant one is in.
Chances are that restaurant will actually be a kebab shop. Where you would probably get a kicking just for referring yourself as 'one'. "One would like extra chilli sauce please. Ow! what was that for?"
Filterlab
25-04-2021, 08:12
:lol:
I say old bean, this lamb really gets one's pallate swell, whatto!
Chances are that restaurant will actually be a kebab shop. Where you would probably get a kicking just for referring yourself as 'one'. "One would like extra chilli sauce please. Ow! what was that for?"
Lol... Don't think I've been in a kebab shop for about 30 years. Just not my thang, as a big slab of meat hanging about like that for hours on end, especially with flies hanging around it during the summer, always strikes me as somewhat unhygienic... Plus, it's all a bit fatty and greasy:spew:
Marco.
Lol... Don't think I've been in a kebab shop for about 30 years. Just not my thang, as a big slab of meat hanging about like that for hours on end, especially with flies hanging around it during the summer, always strikes me as somewhat unhygienic... Plus, it's all a bit fatty and greasy:spew:
Marco.
+1 As you say :spew:
They taste fantastic. But only after six pints.
Lol... Never drink that much beer now in one go.
Don't get me wrong, I love *proper* (authentic) Greek or Turkish food, and kebabs, when made from cubed pieces of lamb and chargrilled on a skewer, but I've never been a fan of donner meat.
Marco.
No me neither usually I have the one with the proper lamb in it.
And if I drank 6 pints nowadays I'd probably die.
Pigmy Pony
25-04-2021, 12:25
Lol... Don't think I've been in a kebab shop for about 30 years. Just not my thang, as a big slab of meat hanging about like that for hours on end, especially with flies hanging around it during the summer, always strikes me as somewhat unhygienic... Plus, it's all a bit fatty and greasy:spew:
Marco.
Yeah, talk like that will get you a kicking, from the owner as well as the pissed up punters :D Sounds like you went to some pretty rough kebab shops, but then it was 30 years ago. They might be better now, due to tighter food hygiene laws. Still gonna be greasy though.
Lol, probably... But yeah, the greasy thing ain't for me. I don't really eat stuff like that.
If I'm 'doing greasy', then give me a good fish supper any day - but then the best ones of those shouldn't be very greasy:)
Ultimately though, if we're talking takeaway food, I prefer a good Chinese or a Curry!
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
25-04-2021, 12:35
Lol, probably... But yeah, the greasy thing ain't for me. I don't really eat stuff like that.
If I'm 'doing greasy', then give me a good fish supper any day - but then the best ones of those shouldn't be very greasy:)
Ultimately though, if we're talking takeaway food, I prefer a good Chinese or a Curry!
Marco.
Well it's Sunday, so our Traditional Chinese Sunday Tea is only a few hours away :)
walpurgis
25-04-2021, 12:37
And if I drank 6 pints nowadays I'd probably die.
I suffer if I drink more than a couple these days. Five or six pints was a regular mid-week pub night for me in my thirties, with a 'proper' drink Fridays and Saturdays. Packed all that in many years ago, just as well!
Two cans my limit now and that's rare I have that.
Used to be 4 cans a night in the week and 8 on Friday and Saturdays. Can't say I really miss it but on the odd occasion I have one now it tastes like nectar.
Well it's Sunday, so our Traditional Chinese Sunday Tea is only a few hours away :)
I might have Chinese tonight, not had one in about 6 months.
Well it's Sunday, so our Traditional Chinese Sunday Tea is only a few hours away...
Lol - enjoy... However, it's the one day of the week where we *never* eat a takeaway, as we always have a big Sunday lunch, which tends to fill us up for the rest of the day!
Today it's double-loin lamb chops, coated in Harissa, and chargrilled on the BBQ, served with a spicy tomato couscous. Don't you do Sunday lunch then, like a nice roast dinner or whatever?:)
Marco.
Two cans my limit now and that's rare I have that.
Used to be 4 cans a night in the week and 8 on Friday and Saturdays. Can't say I really miss it but on the odd occasion I have one now it tastes like nectar.
If I'm not driving, which is rare, and we're at a nice country pub that serves great local real ale, then I can enjoy 3 pints of that, with a meal, over the course of 3 hours or so, whilst chatting with Del and friends, or whatever, but otherwise it's strictly one pint (with a meal).
At home I don't drink much beer, maybe a couple of bottles a week, of some type of foreign pilsner, usually German or Italian, but that's it. I'm more of a wine drinker, again only with a nice meal:)
I rarely, if ever, drink alcohol on its own.
Marco.
No me neither usually I have the one with the proper lamb in it.
This is what you want and what Del makes: https://www.mygreekdish.com/recipe/greek-lamb-souvlaki-recipe-skewers-with-pita-bread/
When this Covid pish is over, I'll get you round for a listening sesh, as we haven't had one in ages (need to top up my points as a hi-fi enthusiast, lol) and we'll do the above or some other form of chargrilled meat fest and beers!:cool:
Knocks any donner cack into a cocked hat.
Marco.
If driving I will limit myself to a half pint, and preferably not drink at all.
When I used to drink with friends on say, a Friday or Saturday night, I would drink 6 pints over a three hour session. I found a drinking rate of a pint per half hour was natural for me.
These days I'm like Marco - more of a wine man. Usually a red with the meal (unless it's fish), and a nicely chilled glass of Chablis or Pouilly Fumé in the garden during summer.
That's not to say I don't enjoy a bottle of ale - I do, and usually have a few bottles bought from the supermarket (and it's a damned-sight cheaper than paying nearly £7 for
This is what you want and what Del makes: https://www.mygreekdish.com/recipe/greek-lamb-souvlaki-recipe-skewers-with-pita-bread/
When this Covid pish is over, I'll get you round for a listening sesh, as we haven't had one in ages (need to top up my points as a hi-fi enthusiast, lol) and we'll do the above or some other form of chargrilled meat fest and beers!:cool:
Knocks any donner cack into a cocked hat.
Marco.
Looks good!
If I'm not driving, which is rare, and we're at a nice country pub that serves great local real ale, then I can enjoy 3 pints of that, with a meal, over the course of 3 hours or so, whilst chatting with Del and friends, or whatever, but otherwise it's strictly one pint (with a meal).
At home I don't drink much beer, maybe a couple of bottles a week, of some type of foreign pilsner, usually German or Italian, but that's it. I'm more of a wine drinker, again only with a nice meal:)
I rarely, if ever, drink alcohol on its own.
Marco.
dont drink when driving... course the legal limit is about zero here anyway, but as i dont then its not an issue. if im down i will drive so you can have a beer..
This is what you want and what Del makes: https://www.mygreekdish.com/recipe/greek-lamb-souvlaki-recipe-skewers-with-pita-bread/
When this Covid pish is over, I'll get you round for a listening sesh, as we haven't had one in ages (need to top up my points as a hi-fi enthusiast, lol) and we'll do the above or some other form of chargrilled meat fest and beers!:cool:
Knocks any donner cack into a cocked hat.
Marco.
yeah, looks the berries mate:eek:
walpurgis
25-04-2021, 14:18
dont drink when driving...
Drinking and driving was never a good idea...........flippin' beer splashes everywhere!
dont drink when driving... course the legal limit is about zero here anyway, but as i dont then its not an issue. if im down i will drive so you can have a beer..
Yay, sounds like a plan... Although one of us would need to be on supervise the princess duty:eek::D
Marco.
Yay, sounds like a plan... Although one of us would need to be on supervise the princess duty:eek::D
Marco.
baggsy me:eek:
Pigmy Pony
25-04-2021, 17:09
I suffer if I drink more than a couple these days. Five or six pints was a regular mid-week pub night for me in my thirties, with a 'proper' drink Fridays and Saturdays. Packed all that in many years ago, just as well!
And the money you saved over the years means you can afford the good things in life, like insurance for your Suzuki :)
Pigmy Pony
25-04-2021, 17:13
Lol - enjoy... However, it's the one day of the week where we *never* eat a takeaway, as we always have a big Sunday lunch, which tends to fill us up for the rest of the day!
Today it's double-loin lamb chops, coated in Harissa, and chargrilled on the BBQ, served with a spicy tomato couscous. Don't you do Sunday lunch then, like a nice roast dinner or whatever?:)
Marco.
Today my Sunday lunch was 2 crumpets and a Muller Rice. We normally have a roast dinner mid week. She does a great roast dinner, Mrs. P :)
Bet she does... But I'm just curious why you don't have it on a Sunday, the traditional day for roast dinners, whereas midweek is when most folk would have takeaways.
So what gives in the Piggurs household, where things are t'other way round?:)
Marco.
Most popular night to have a take-away is Friday. Most popular time to order is 1924. According to the Royal Society anyway. https://www.shortlist.com/news/busiest-times-ordering-takeaway-pizza-aberdeen
Pigmy Pony
25-04-2021, 17:34
Bet she does... But I'm just curious why you don't have it on a Sunday, the traditional day for roast dinners, whereas midweek is when most folk would have takeaways.
So what gives in the Piggurs household, where things are t'other way round?:)
Marco.
Dunno, never really thought about it, though since you asked I will now - Weekends we're doing jobs about the house or we're out and about. Weekdays I'm at work and Anita has more time for that sort of thing. And it's nice to come home to :) I guess if all your days are pretty much the same, a Sunday lunch is a good way to punctuate your week. Sunday lunch again already? Where did that week go? :eek:
Can't remember the last time I bought a takeaway. Probably some time in the early '80s. :lol:
Stryder5
25-04-2021, 19:14
Few pics.
Failed oil temp gauge
Failed earth on water temp sensor
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Gary
Yum, yum, mate... Looks PROPA!:respect:
Marco.
On a different note, one for Macca: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9515545/Sex-Pistols-John-Lydon-hits-snowflakes-contributing-cancel-culture.html
;)
Hear, hear!! I've always liked Johnny boy!:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
27-04-2021, 17:00
On a different note, one for Macca: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9515545/Sex-Pistols-John-Lydon-hits-snowflakes-contributing-cancel-culture.html
;)
Hear, hear!! I've always liked Johnny boy!:D
Marco.
Looking up "integrity" in the dictionary, there should be a picture of Johnny there. Always had a strong sense of right and wrong, I've a lot of time for him and his views :) Might give his albums an airing this weekend when Mrs. P is out, not her cup of tea.
Pigmy Pony
27-04-2021, 17:02
Marco, you might be interested to know we had our "Sunday roast" today. And very nice it was too :)
Looking up "integrity" in the dictionary, there should be a picture of Johnny there. Always had a strong sense of right and wrong, I've a lot of time for him and his views :) Might give his albums an airing this weekend when Mrs. P is out, not her cup of tea.
Indeed... He's always been one of the people I'd love to share a dinner table with, if given a choice of say, six 'celebrities',
Integrity is bang on. He's also got a keen eye for a paedo/nonce [one of the first to finger Saville], and Andy Pandy is as guilty as sin... If you rate his views, check out what he thinks of the Royal Family, especially in relation to the latter!;)
Fiercely anti-establishment too, just like me.
Marco.
Marco, you might be interested to know we had our "Sunday roast" today. And very nice it was too :)
Hahaha... That's so funny! Guess what I'm having? A Chinese!:lol:
Marco..
Pigmy Pony
27-04-2021, 17:40
Hahaha... That's so funny! Guess what I'm having? A Chinese!:lol:
Marco..
:D See, our culinary tastes aren't so different - Wonton soup for Marco, one ton of veg for Pony :) The duvet will be billowing tonight
Firebottle
27-04-2021, 17:55
Looking up "integrity" in the dictionary, there should be a picture of Johnny there. Always had a strong sense of right and wrong, I've a lot of time for him and his views :) Might give his albums an airing this weekend when Mrs. P is out, not her cup of tea.
Best quote for a long time:
'It's just horribly, horribly tempestuous spoilt children coming out of colleges and universities with s**t for brains.'
Ain't that the truth!:exactly:
I'd send them all to the Foreign Legion for a month to toughen up, and see how 'offensive' they find that!
Cantz...
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 18:15
Indeed... He's always been one of the people I'd love to share a dinner table with, if given a choice of say, six 'celebrities',
Marco.
Somehow I can't picture Johnny Rotten sharing After Eight mints with the presenters of the One Show, and the remaining members of Take That :D
Firebottle
29-04-2021, 06:19
^^^^
Class Steve, I nearly spat out my breakfast.
Bksabath
03-05-2021, 18:08
Just seen the news today
There has been a festival whit over 10000 peoples near by
One wonder why they pick Liverpool again to carry out an experiment on how this Virus spread
Probably nothing to do whit the old Iron Lady promise to wipe us off the map or whit a local election camming up in 3 days
I wonders how many nans and gran-pa are going to die in the next 2 3 weeks as a results of it
Do not really give a F about those attending ...
To that professor that was on the news bouncing around I have only one thing to say "Thou shall not cause harm ..."
Nothing to say to the establishment really One just wonder how many flats they can get decorated whit the income from the inheritance tax ?
For the conspiration theorist just ask how many drinks where sold and how many plastic glasses where used more than once on what kind of stuff they sprayed on the change out of the tills
Being posting here I am happy to see live gigs and such but WTF!!! . 10000 and Liverpool ?
walpurgis
04-05-2021, 07:41
Cases of the highly infectious South African Covid 19 variant have been detected in Hounslow, just a mile or two from me. Surge testing has been offered in that area, whatever use that may be?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55534727
nastier version...still not had mine:rolleyes:
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