View Full Version : Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.
Tried and wanted to go home? or because they where promised a promotion if the test that caused the melt down was completed?
Why the Fucushima plant had the cooling water tanks fitted below and requiring pumps instead to be gravity fed?
Maybe it was cheaper that way?
If the virus escaped from the lab it was a mistake or poor and cheap safety measures we are humans and all make mistakes. the cover up, the poor response the choice of the lab and its founding in the first place are criminal act's The Hague is there to judge against crimes against humanity 4 million deaths amply justify it
Yes, all those things may be true but it still comes down to people being crap and not some sort of organised conspiracy against mankind.
I doubt that China would ever admit culpability and I doubt that it can ever be proven without their full cooperation, which you won't get, and even if that did happen you're not going to get anyone significant in the dock at the Hague. Some hapless lab assistant and maybe his shift supervisor. Hardly seems worth it does it?
Bksabath
26-07-2021, 13:57
we replaced a useless PM whit a clown because it was self evident that she was a useless puppet.
Guess where she is going to end up
NI deal scuppers hopes for Theresa May to become Nato's secretary general | Politics | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1467258/brexit-northern-ireland-deal-theresa-may-nato-secretary-general)
And if the Orange bloke that proposed to give people bleach get back in to power, any hope he end up in jail for :scratch: not paying taxes,
I will seriously shit myself
Bksabath
26-07-2021, 14:05
I would not use the word crap, we are human and do make mistakes, IMO it was not a conspiracy against mankind, just a mistake
A I said before the Chinese are the Gun, who pressed the trigger?
The conspiracy started later when quite a few seen that financial and political gains where to be made.
You can be almost certain that the poor lab assistant is either Asphalt, Bicycle stand or chicken feed by now
Yes, all those things may be true but it still comes down to people being crap...
You shouldn't be 'crap' in a job with massive responsibility. You should be extremely switched on, dedicated and efficient, proud of your job, and willing to perform it to the highest level of your ability - and if you're fundamentally 'crap', then you shouldn't have the job in the first place!
There's NO excuse for 'crap', unless you're ill or intrinsically incapable of performing the task you've been employed for, in which case as I've said, you shouldn't be there in the first place. I abhor laziness and incompetence.
I doubt that China would ever admit culpability and I doubt that it can ever be proven without their full cooperation, which you won't get, and even if that did happen you're not going to get anyone significant in the dock at the Hague. Some hapless lab assistant and maybe his shift supervisor. Hardly seems worth it does it?
WHY?? So, in that scenario *WHO* would be protected and *WHY*? I'd really like an answer to that, as for me no-one on this earth is above the law or exempt from punishment for any wrongdoing.
This notion that it's somehow 'just how it is' needs robustly challenged and steps taken to grossly alter that state of affairs!
Marco.
Bksabath
26-07-2021, 14:13
You shouldn't be 'crap' in a job with massive responsibility. You should be extremely switched on, dedicated and efficient, proud of your job, and willing to perform it to the highest level of your ability - and if you're fundamentally 'crap', then you shouldn't have the job in the first place!
There's NO excuse for 'crap', unless you're ill or intrinsically incapable of performing the task you've been employed for, in which case as I've said, you shouldn't be there in the first place.
WHY?? So, in that scenario *WHO* would be protected and *WHY*? I'd really like an answer to that, as for me no-one on this earth is above the law or exempt from punishment for any wrongdoing.
This notion that it's somehow 'just how it is' needs robustly challenged and steps taken to grossly alter that state of affairs!
Marco.
Funny that I just came up about that reference about Taxes
The saying goes nothing is certain but death and Taxes
It is evident that same fellows are indeed above the law when they can declare $745 and go away whit it not counting inciting a revolt and all the rest 35 or so counts
You shouldn't be 'crap' in a job with massive responsibility. You should be extremely switched on, dedicated and efficient, proud of your job, and willing to perform it to the highest level of your ability - and if you're fundamentally 'crap', then you shouldn't have the job in the first place!
There's NO excuse for 'crap', unless you're ill or intrinsically incapable of performing the task you've been employed for, in which case as I've said, you shouldn't be there in the first place. I abhor laziness and incompetence.
WHY?? So, in that scenario *WHO* would be protected and *WHY*? I'd really like an answer to that, as for me no-one on this earth is above the law or exempt from punishment for any wrongdoing.
This notion that it's somehow 'just how it is' needs robustly challenged and steps taken to grossly alter that state of affairs!
Marco.
Yes wouldda shudda cudda but that's just how things are and how they've always been, even the best people are not perfect all the time and most of us are not the best even if we might like to think we are
. If you have enough labs, with enough people, with enough viruses then probability dictates that at some point over time there will be an accident.
It' not that people are above the law, it's the difficulty of getting sufficient evidence to secure a conviction.
Yes wouldda shudda cudda but that's just how things are and how they've always been, even the best people are not perfect all the time and most of us are not the best even if we might like to think we are
. If you have enough labs, with enough people, with enough viruses then probability dictates that at some point over time there will be an accident.
It' not that people are above the law, it's the difficulty of getting sufficient evidence to secure a conviction.
its never stopped the russians before:eyebrows:
Only with internal matters though. I think we're talking about some international justice process, the Hague was mentioned.
I suppose that they could just whack out whoever was responsible, like they did with Bin Laden. Although some people like a juicy show trial.
Yes wouldda shudda cudda but that's just how things are and how they've always been, even the best people are not perfect all the time and most of us are not the best even if we might like to think we are
. If you have enough labs, with enough people, with enough viruses then probability dictates that at some point over time there will be an accident.
It' not that people are above the law, it's the difficulty of getting sufficient evidence to secure a conviction.
It's not a case of BEING the best, but DOING things to the BEST of *YOUR* ability. Not doing so is inexcusable, unless you're ill or infirm. Otherwise it's just sheer laziness or incompetence, which I have no time for!
How do you think I got to where I am now running my own successful business - by tolerating or accepting laziness or incompetence from either my staff or suppliers?
Oh poor bloke, he can't help being 'crap'... Fuck that. I'd still need to work for a living if that had been the case. You should always strive to achieve the highest standards you're capable of - in ANYTHING. Simples!
I can't be bothered with folk who muddle through life, doing the absolute minimum that they can to get by, when if they wanted, could do so much better. Those folk, along with the intrinsically idle, rip my knitting!
Making an honest mistake, is a different matter, because we're all fallible creatures, but not because of laziness, gross negligence or incompetence - at least under anything else but the most exceptional of circumstances.
I still believe that certain people today think that they're above the law, due to their power, influence and wealth, and often make scapegoats of others for their wrongdoing - and it is *those specific* people who should be EXPOSED, brought to justice and PREVENTED from having that sort of influence, wealth or power ever again, as they'll always use it for evil purposes, never good!
Marco.
they seem quite happy to send agents here to poison people and places etc.. sailsbury as an instance, in full knowlwdge we aint gonna start ww3 over it.. and the hague can go f itself as far as the russians are concerned
It's not a case of BEING the best, but DOING things to the BEST of *YOUR* ability. Not doing so is inexcusable, unless you're ill or infirm. Otherwise it's just sheer laziness or incompetence, which I have no time for!
How do you think I got to where I am now running my own successful business - by tolerating or accepting laziness or incompetence from either my staff or suppliers? Oh poor bloke, he can't help being 'crap'... Fuck that. I'd still need to work for a living if that had been the case. You should always strive to achieve the highest standards you're capable of. Simples.
I can't be bothered with folk who muddle through life, doing the absolute minimum that they can to get by, when if they wanted, could do so much better. Those folk, along with the intrinsically idle, rip my knitting!
Making an honest mistake, is a different matter, because we're all fallible creatures, but not because of laziness, gross negligence or incompetence - at least under anything else but the most exceptional of circumstances.
But this will almost certainly have been an exceptional circumstance. You're not likely to get a serial incompetent working in a high security lab, unless it's their first day, and even then it's unlikely that if they were that poor they'd get that position in the first place.
Watch some episodes of Air Crash Investigation, you see plenty of dedicated competent individuals screwing up. Only has to happen the once.
Most of us do jobs where you can screw up and no-one dies. When we do screw up - and we all do - it doesn't tend to stick in our memories since the consequences are not that serious.
Bksabath
26-07-2021, 14:55
Only with internal matters though. I think we're talking about some international justice process, the Hague was mentioned.
I suppose that they could just whack out whoever was responsible, like they did with Bin Laden. Although some people like a juicy show trial.
Toke a while to do that! and because the people that where winging about it where the very same that trained him when it was convenient to have them against the evil Russians
And now they are camming home tail behind the back whit nothing to show whit but loads of ex Veterans not being able to have a life anymore
Why not destroying the Poppy fields instead that are still financing a different Bin laden
I seen the (highly illegal) video of a British convoy drive past this perfect square of greenery in the desert and when asked I got told by this 3 tour's veteran yes that is a poppy field and no we never touch them we got told not to
How the US military's opium war in Afghanistan was lost - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47861444)
But this will almost certainly have been an exceptional circumstance. You're not likely to get a serial incompetent working in a high security lab, unless it's their first day, and even then it's unlikely that if they were that poor they'd get that position in the first place.
Watch some episodes of Air Crash Investigation, you see plenty of dedicated competent individuals screwing up. Only has to happen the once.
Most of us do jobs where you can screw up and no-one dies. When we do screw up - and we all do - it doesn't tend to stick in our memories since the consequences are not that serious.
Then steps (as in no stone unturned) should be taken to find out *exactly who* was responsible, and by that I really mean the country and those in charge making all the decisions. There should a MASSIVE investigation into that accordingly, and whoever was responsible made to admit it and be dealt a suitable punishment.
Also, why do we need all these (intrinsically dangerous) labs in the first fucking place? Exactly how much REAL GOOD do they do? And is it worth the risk causing something so dreadful that the world has now experienced, simply for them to fulfil their purpose (whatever that is)?
The fact is, the risk of deadly viruses escaping would be a damn sight reduced, if there were a damn sight LESS of these labs in the first place!!!
We spend OBSCENE amounts of money on stuff that isn't really of great importance (to the vast majority of people), and fucking weapons, instead of spending it curing the likes of world famine and poverty!
Make PEACE, not WAR. That's what the vast majority of the world's population want.
Marco.
Toke a while to do that! and because the people that where winging about it where the very same that trained him when it was convenient to have them against the evil Russians
And now they are camming home tail behind the back whit nothing to show whit but loads of ex Veterans not being able to have a life anymore
Why not destroying the Poppy fields instead that are still financing a different Bin laden
I seen the (highly illegal) video of a British convoy drive past this perfect square of greenery in the desert and when asked I got told by this 3 tour's veteran yes that is a poppy field and no we never touch them we got told not to
How the US military's opium war in Afghanistan was lost - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47861444)
The poppies are how they are making a living, if they burned them down every man-jack of them would go over to the Taliban or ISIS. Some problems you just can't solve.
The British army always likes to have some sort of war going on somewhere, as do the yanks. Now they're pretty much out of Afghanistan something else will come along, you watch.
The British army always likes to have some sort of war going on somewhere, as do the yanks...
And *exactly why* is that? I can see no cause for good in it, if your idea of 'good' is as peaceful a world as possible. All it is, is a rather vulgar waste of obscene amounts of money and lives, in order to bolster someone's ego!
Some folk have war on the brain - and we wonder why the world's in such a state?:doh:
Marco.
And *exactly why* is that? .
same as any professional army 1) show that they're still required 2) Keep their eye in.
Not just the British and the Yanks, the French are always fighting somewhere too, Africa mostly. Just very rare it makes the news at least not outside of France.
puppy ?
That is cryptic please expand over "puppy"
I would not worry over much of what is in this kind of news, they came up whit any crap if they have an empty space between the commercials and bad news sell the rags.
Same dude was saying to give people bleach, same kind of story...
Hi Sandro, "puppy" is my new dog - six month old Staffy /English bulldog cross, , so quite a small stomach, she has been farting so much over the last couple of days that I have considered leaving home :)
If any good has to came out of this is that the mitigating intervention of masks and distancing hand washing may be useful in preventing flu and Pneumonia. hopefully we will no frown when seeing peoples wearing a mask in the future
I may not need to, but but I still wear one in public enclosed spaces and I am a supporter of the company I work for decision to make the use of face mask mandatory.
Remember that face mask are not there to protect you, the function is to protect others from you.
Any one wearing a mask show cares and respect for others.
exactly how I feel about them :thumbsup:
Bksabath
26-07-2021, 16:29
Hi Sandro, "puppy" is my new dog - six month old Staffy /English bulldog cross, , so quite a small stomach, she has been farting so much over the last couple of days that I have considered leaving home :)
Cool one may think it was your Pet name for GF and such :D
Well if you get covid that way loads of peoples would be happy to know, nearly 20 months and counting and no go in between animal has been found.
Bksabath
26-07-2021, 16:50
Then steps (as in no stone unturned) should be taken to find out *exactly who* was responsible, and by that I really mean the country and those in charge making all the decisions. There should a MASSIVE investigation into that accordingly, and whoever was responsible made to admit it and be dealt a suitable punishment.
Also, why the fuck do we need all these (intrinsically dangerous) labs in the first fucking place? Exactly how much REAL GOOD do they do? And is it worth the risk causing something so dreadful that the world has now experienced, simply for them to fulfil their purpose (whatever that is)?
The fact is, the risk of deadly viruses escaping would be a damn sight reduced, if there were a damn sight LESS of these labs in the first place!!!
We spend OBSCENE amounts of money on stuff that isn't really of great importance (to the vast majority of people), and fucking weapons, instead of spending it curing the likes of world famine and poverty!
Make PEACE, not WAR. That's what the vast majority of the world's population want.
Marco.
To quote Satan himself (Fauci 2012) "not only this research is necessary it is also worth the risk" talking about gain of function research sorry that is incorrect, his favourite word of late, I was meant to say Experiments and cite the paper origin date paragraph and comas, still I am not sure if Experiments are meant to have a capital E or not and late 17th century French pronunciation
Agree whit you but the vast majority got nought to say when 5% own 95% of the money
Heavy shit dudes and more coming.
New Delta-Sigma virus expected mid September +/- 3dB
And so it will go on and on, and on... Viruses naturally mutate, so that's no big news. We just have to live with it. All this crap is just pure scaremongering.
How many new variants of the flu do you think there have been over the years? And do we hear about those every two minutes? Not to mention that most of us are still here to tell the tale...
Marco..
same as any professional army 1) show that they're still required 2) Keep their eye in.
Not just the British and the Yanks, the French are always fighting somewhere too, Africa mostly. Just very rare it makes the news at least not outside of France.
That's a novel way of putting killing people!;)
I don't agree with any of it, I'm afraid, as it's fundamentally wrong.
Marco.
Agree whit you but the vast majority got nought to say when 5% own 95% of the money
A gross imbalance and injustice that severely needs addressing - and OH how I'd love to do it!!!
Anyway, down to 14 now: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
That's a novel way of putting killing people!;)
I don't agree with any of it, I'm afraid, as it's fundamentally wrong.
Marco.
yes killing is wrong, war is wrong but sometimes doing the wrong thing is the only available solution. The trouble with morality is that it doesn't tend to last long in the real world.
Then the real world needs changing. The longer we all simply sit back, shrugging our shoulders doing nothing and saying, 'That's just how it is in the real world', the longer we'll never have the world that most of us really want.
Sometimes 'reality' needs a new flavour!
Marco.
Well you're not the first person to think that, and plenty have had a go at it. :)
Indeed, and long may it continue! That's why all the people and organisations fighting for civil rights/freedom, and against 'the system', should be both applauded and supported, as they're the ones who are keeping the bastards at bay!
Marco.
If any good has to came out of this is that the mitigating intervention of masks and distancing hand washing may be useful in preventing flu and Pneumonia. hopefully we will no frown when seeing peoples wearing a mask in the future
I may not need to, but but I still wear one in public enclosed spaces and I am a supporter of the company I work for decision to make the use of face mask mandatory.
Remember that face mask are not there to protect you, the function is to protect others from you.
Any one wearing a mask show cares and respect for others.
exactly how I feel about them :thumbsup:
Couple of points there...
Firstly, I'm fundamentally against (virtually) anything being made mandatory in a supposedly free country, and in turn abhor anything that creates or supports a 'nanny state'. Sandro, before making that decision, did your company check that there wasn't anyone who suffered from breathing difficulties or any other health issues that would make working with a mask on impossible?
That's the problem with creating blanket rules - they don't take into account the rights or needs of those who don't make up the majority!
Also. how long (the duration of your working day) are you expected to wear a mask for? For me, after I've worn one for about an hour (in church), I'm done with them - especially in the heat we've had recently, as I end up a panting, sweaty wreck! I simply couldn't imagine wearing them constantly for 7-8 hours every day...:rolleyes:
And how long will it remain mandatory for employees at your company to wear masks - and who will make that decision, based on what judgement criteria?
Now secondly, and more importantly, and this is directed at both you and Guy: caring and respect for others works BOTH ways... So what about caring for and respecting the rights of others who (for whatever legitimate reason) don't want to wear a face mask?
Or are the ONLY people who matter now those who believe in the importance of masks? Respect cuts BOTH ways, and so should be MUTUAL - a two-way street, not simply a one-way. So you're only a 'caring person' if you wear a mask? That's a rather dangerous thought process and precedent to set!
As I said before, you can see now why I have concerns going forward about potentially creating discrimination and division between mask wearers and non-mask wearers, possibly also the vaccinated and non-vaccinated, and who holds the moral high ground or right to behave in a certain way?
The last thing we want to create is self-appointed mask or 'vaccine police', much like there are self-appointed traffic police: idiots who think they have the right to halt or impede the progress of others who (for whatever reason) want to go faster than them, and perhaps above the speed limit. Similarly, no civilian has the right to halt or impede someone's chosen lifestyle, by shaming or forcing them into wearing a face mask.
That wouldn't be a good thing for a free society, but perhaps exactly what the powers that be want, as a divided people are easier to rule... Just something to consider;)
Marco.
Bksabath
27-07-2021, 06:36
Couple of points there...
Marco.
I am 100 % whit you against any mandatory imposition.
I also believe that I have a duty to care for my neighbour and such
I work in a food factory personal hygiene hand washing clean and always available PPE is the norm.
The policy there since the onset of the Fauci virus has been to provide face mask and face coverings to all. For those that found the mask uncomfortable face screens are available.
The company invested heavily to comply whit distancing and hygiene, from really expensive thermal imaging cameras monitoring the entrance to screens all over the place and hand sanitising station almost every 10 yards or so and the unnecessary:D office staff working from home
It has always been company policy to pay in full any one not camming to work due to sickness.
This has been maintained during the all of the pandemic and being pinged or such meant 12 days off on full pay, the overtime rate for those covering the shift was increased to double time.
We on the engineering/maintenance department work 12 hours shifts and yes masks are a pain especially when in the Fryer room where the temperature is normally over 30 C in the winter.
We can take them off when in certain areas or while working whit peoples on our bubble to be promptly reminded to put the back on whit a simple nod and one get used to it
I am free to refuse to wear a mask if I want, I can hand in my notice and change job at any time
I consider myself lucky to be there, I was working in the plastic sector before, in an extremely profitable company, and I had a call from a friend from there telling me that due to the pandemic all but one of the maintenance staff had lost they jobs for it to be advertised on the same day at a much lower pay rate.
If you decide not to wear a mask or to go in a public square to celebrate your fruitball team winning a game it is entirely your right to do as you like, but please put you rubbish in a plastic bag and take it home
Just do not take the piss if you se me wearing one, a kick in the nuts can be very painful.
there is a further thing you can easily do if you care for your neighbour which would make the mask unnecessary get a free test kit from the NHS and do a test daily
Order coronavirus (COVID-19) rapid lateral flow tests - GOV.UK ( (https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests)www.gov.uk (http://www.gov.uk))
From looking at the current trends it seems that hospitalization is on the way down I will watch the trends for a few more weeks hopefully all this will be past us
It would be nice to know if one got the antigens or not first thing I am going to do when I finished posting this is harass my GP to get a test
I fully understand your concerns about discrimination, we live whit it every day.
As you well know I have been going on and on about vitamin D since the beginning of this and I am really pissed off whit the main stream media
The by-line during the black life maters was that Black peoples are more prone to get the Fauci plague because ... They live in deprived conditions, this is total bullshit they are a different colour than you because they came from a sunnier place. they do not naturally make enough of it. Vitamin D deficiency will cause you to be less prepared to fight off the virus.
How much discrimination was promoted saying that Black people live in deprived conditions?
You wont see me being a Mask police I promise I will try my best.
Why this has to became a politic issue and why politicos had to get involved at all baffles me it should be a mater off common sense and science
Same peoples are pretty small minded, we all are, give me any one doing 30 MPH on a 40 and if I am stuck right behind him I be screaming on his/ her rear view mirror any kind of abuse
Flipping woman, pensioner ginger Volvo driver and so on depending on circumstances, put my own clone in that car in front and it wont take me more that a few seconds to find same abuse
We are human and fallible.
You are 100 % correct Devide Et Impera we get it from our first day a school and to stick a label or other is one of the very first thing we learn
Film to watch if you missed it
Captain Fantastic
Captain Fantastic (2016) - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3553976/)
At times I should pause and remember this movie before any pigeonholing
I don't like people spitting on the street, I don't like people leaving dog shit on the pavement, I do like people holding doors open for each other.
As you suggest Marco, Civil liberties are a "two way street", we could argue from here to kingdom come about whether wearing a mask is an infringement of your civil liberties, or your refusal to wear one is an infringement of mine ("your" used as a non specific term here).
In my opinion, wearing a mask in shops is a sign of a person caring about the health of others.
However, I will concede that if people care enough about the health of others to wear a mask, why the fuck does it seem to have become acceptable for people to leave worn masks littering the pavement? Two left outside my daughters house when I went to visit yesterday :steam:
Sandro, nice one mate, we're on the same page:thumbsup:
Marco.
Bksabath
27-07-2021, 08:28
I don't like people spitting on the street, I don't like people leaving dog shit on the pavement, I do like people holding doors open for each other.
As you suggest Marco, Civil liberties are a "two way street", we could argue from here to kingdom come about whether wearing a mask is an infringement of your civil liberties, or your refusal to wear one is an infringement of mine ("your" used as a non specific term here).
In my opinion, wearing a mask in shops is a sign of a person caring about the health of others.
However, I will concede that if people care enough about the health of others to wear a mask, why the fuck does it seem to have become acceptable for people to leave worn masks littering the pavement? Two left outside my daughters house when I went to visit yesterday :steam:
One mask may be an accident 2 is not
Find out who did it put the mask in a paper bag whit same dog shit place the paper bag on their front door mat set the bag on fire and ring the bell tell leg it to a convenient distance to film what happens next and post the video on you tube.
Stryder5
27-07-2021, 08:53
I am 100 % whit you against any mandatory imposition.
I also believe that I have a duty to care for my neighbour and such
I work in a food factory personal hygiene hand washing clean and always available PPE is the norm.
The policy there since the onset of the Fauci virus has been to provide face mask and face coverings to all. For those that found the mask uncomfortable face screens are available.
The company invested heavily to comply whit distancing and hygiene, from really expensive thermal imaging cameras monitoring the entrance to screens all over the place and hand sanitising station almost every 10 yards or so and the unnecessary:D office staff working from home
It has always been company policy to pay in full any one not camming to work due to sickness.
This has been maintained during the all of the pandemic and being pinged or such meant 12 days off on full pay, the overtime rate for those covering the shift was increased to double time.
We on the engineering/maintenance department work 12 hours shifts and yes masks are a pain especially when in the Fryer room where the temperature is normally over 30 C in the winter.
We can take them off when in certain areas or while working whit peoples on our bubble to be promptly reminded to put the back on whit a simple nod and one get used to it
I am free to refuse to wear a mask if I want, I can hand in my notice and change job at any time
I consider myself lucky to be there, I was working in the plastic sector before, in an extremely profitable company, and I had a call from a friend from there telling me that due to the pandemic all but one of the maintenance staff had lost they jobs for it to be advertised on the same day at a much lower pay rate.
If you decide not to wear a mask or to go in a public square to celebrate your fruitball team winning a game it is entirely your right to do as you like, but please put you rubbish in a plastic bag and take it home
Just do not take the piss if you se me wearing one, a kick in the nuts can be very painful.
there is a further thing you can easily do if you care for your neighbour which would make the mask unnecessary get a free test kit from the NHS and do a test daily
Order coronavirus (COVID-19) rapid lateral flow tests - GOV.UK ( (https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests)www.gov.uk (http://www.gov.uk))
From looking at the current trends it seems that hospitalization is on the way down I will watch the trends for a few more weeks hopefully all this will be past us
It would be nice to know if one got the antigens or not first thing I am going to do when I finished posting this is harass my GP to get a test
I fully understand your concerns about discrimination, we live whit it every day.
As you well know I have been going on and on about vitamin D since the beginning of this and I am really pissed off whit the main stream media
The by-line during the black life maters was that Black peoples are more prone to get the Fauci plague because ... They live in deprived conditions, this is total bullshit they are a different colour than you because they came from a sunnier place. they do not naturally make enough of it. Vitamin D deficiency will cause you to be less prepared to fight off the virus.
How much discrimination was promoted saying that Black people live in deprived conditions?
You wont see me being a Mask police I promise I will try my best.
Why this has to became a politic issue and why politicos had to get involved at all baffles me it should be a mater off common sense and science
Same peoples are pretty small minded, we all are, give me any one doing 30 MPH on a 40 and if I am stuck right behind him I be screaming on his/ her rear view mirror any kind of abuse
Flipping woman, pensioner ginger Volvo driver and so on depending on circumstances, put my own clone in that car in front and it wont take me more that a few seconds to find same abuse
We are human and fallible.
You are 100 % correct Devide Et Impera we get it from our first day a school and to stick a label or other is one of the very first thing we learn
Film to watch if you missed it
Captain Fantastic
Captain Fantastic (2016) - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3553976/)
At times I should pause and remember this movie before any pigeonholing
OK I chose this post to answer as it shows that companies as well as the general public are unaware of how masks transfer anything that’s collected on them to other surfaces. Firstly though an error on bksabath’s company. Face screens are not an option alone, you have to wear a face mask with it. The reason, along with the reason for masks is simple, to stop any droplets of moisture escaping from your mouth and nose.
So as with masks for this to be effective they have to be tight fitting around the face, no openings on side that merely deflects any moisture to the person behind probably by diffusion creating a wider scattering pattern.
Let’s get onto how people really treat their masks (based on real life observations). People wear masks in ignorance of how they should be used, on off, stuffed in pockets, continuous repositioning. The processes are exacerbated by long time wearing. The only way a mask can be handled safely after use is by the straps, so if you have to take it off you need to keep it in your hand by the straps or dispose of it, if it’s put in a bag or pocket touching the surface you’ve contaminated your hands and need to sanitise, otherwise you contaminate any surface you touch.
You now need a clean mask.
While wearing a mask you can’t touch it other than, as mentioned, by straps, so no repositioning when it moves on your face or pulling forward to avoid voice muffling, If you touch the surface you need to sanitise.
In my opinion masks can help spread contaminants rather than protection.
As for it being a visual indication that you care, then touching it should indicate that wearing it is just posturing.
Gary
As you suggest Marco, Civil liberties are a "two way street", we could argue from here to kingdom come about whether wearing a mask is an infringement of your civil liberties, or your refusal to wear one is an infringement of mine ("your" used as a non specific term here).
I absolutely agree. Quite simply, there's no universally 'right' or 'wrong' answer. here.
The danger, however, is that people will try and create one regardless, based simply on what conforms to THEIR sense of correctness, and therefore going forward, an 'us and them' society, stigmatising face masks to represent the symbol of a 'caring person', and therefore an absence of one, the opposite. A rather dangerous precedent to set - and the very same applies to vaccines!
Therefore, we must guard against creating the notion of a 'persona non grata' becoming anyone who decides to make different choices from the 'accepted norm'.
I mean, regardless of what you think of smoking, as a non-smoker myself, I still think it's utterly disgraceful how smokers have been treated virtually like lepers, ostracised from society in so many ways, and we cannot allow that to happen to non-mask wearers or the unvaccinated.
In my opinion, wearing a mask in shops is a sign of a person caring about the health of others.
Yes I understand what you mean, but can you also see that simply by making that statement, by definition you're also implying that not wearing one is the sign of an uncaring one?:)
I'm afraid that's the obvious implication, and it's judgmental, discriminatory, and possibly (perhaps even highly likely) inaccurate, as the reality is you don't know that person from Adam. There could be a multitude of legitimate reasons, for example health related [perhaps they have breathing issues?] why they've chosen not to wear a mask. Therefore, it doesn't automatically make them bad.
I'm certainly a caring person, but my default position (from Aug 7th, if that's when mask-wearing restrictions are removed in Wales) will be to ditch them and start living my life normally again, and that will apply to everywhere I go *unless* I'm entering someone's home who would feel more comfortable with me wearing one, and therefore asks me politely to do so.
I may also offer to do the same when entering some small shops or other such places where space is limited, and ask the owner or staff member(s) present (perhaps other customers) if they'd rather I wore a mask, as it's simply courteous to do so, but I won't be doing it as a matter of course, as I simply won't be controlled in that way, as a result of being made to feel that I'm inconsiderate or 'wrong'.
There are too many jumped-up little Hitlers around, only too keen to use any excuse they can to exercise their fascist tendencies!!
However, I will concede that if people care enough about the health of others to wear a mask, why the fuck does it seem to have become acceptable for people to leave worn masks littering the pavement? Two left outside my daughters house when I went to visit yesterday :steam:
Filthy bastards, mate. I see them scattered around the ground all the time. There's simply no excuse for it, and if I saw someone doing it, I wouldn't hesitate to ask them to pick it up and dispose of it in the proper manner, and give them a piece of my mind if they didn't!
Marco.
Great post, Gary - simply factual and true, highlighting how the vast majority are simply 'playing at it', in terms of realistically protecting anyone. This nails it on the head, though:
As for it being a visual indication that you care, then touching it should indicate that wearing it is just posturing.
Indeed. And of course the reality is that no-one gives a flying fuck whether you're using the right type of mask to achieve the desired effect or not, let alone wearing or handling it correctly, or whether it needs changing, as it's contaminated and therefore no longer effective [if indeed it ever was in the first place]!
So how much protecting of others are these so-called 'caring people' really doing? It could be argued that if they don't wear or handle masks correctly and change them regularly, they're exacerbating the problem far more than solving it!
However, as long as they can see some sort of covering strapped across your 'coupon' (Scottish slang for face. I like the alliteration), you're fine and therefore 'one of them'. Therefore it's simply about COMPLIANCE.
And I'm not interested in being in anyone's gang, simply to 'fit in', nor be 'trained' like a monkey!
That's what a lot of this stuff is too, you know, mask wearing, social distancing, continual hand-cleansing, etc. It's classic mind control, via coercive persuasion. Some would do well to study NLP [Neurological Linguistic Programming], and how very effective techniques can be used to brainwash people in the wrong way:
https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Dark-Psychology-Learn-Secret-Manipulation-Techniques-Learn-How-to-Influence-and-Manipulate-People-Using-Persuasion-Dark-NLP-Mind-Control-Brainwashing-and-Real-Hypnotism-Audiobook/B07VGL29Z3?source_code=M2M14DFT1BkSH082015011R&&ipRedirectOverride=true&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwM2n44yD8gIVRLTtCh3bIwpBEAAYASAA EgLZffD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Marco.
My earlier comment: 'New Delta-Sigma virus expected mid September +/- 3dB' was an attempt at levity and should be ignored.
BUT this interview with Dr. Mike Yeadon is a must read I strongly urge everyone to listen to it. I will listen to it again as there is a lot to take in:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/oSwtUedmK9QB/
The big points are how we have been lied to, that Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin are effective and that lockdown is not helping nor are masks. The big noise about variants is overblown as the body is quite capable of dealing with the small difference. He explains that when the virus replicates in the billions that sometimes it makes a mistake resulting in a slightly different virus which I think he said can vary by 0.3% and that our immune systems once they have dealt with the original strain can adapt to a change of up to 20%!!!
He states that this 'novel' virus is no more dangerous than a bad flu which if you look at statistics is true.
Be aware but do not be frightened of the virus.
Dr. Michael Yeadon was a scientific researcher and vice president at drugs giant Pfizer.
Regardless which side of the fence you're on this is educational and should be read by all.
My earlier comment: 'New Delta-Sigma virus expected mid September +/- 3dB' was an attempt at levity and should be ignored.
Excellent. Next time though, try using a smiley;)
Marco.
One mask may be an accident 2 is not
Find out who did it put the mask in a paper bag whit same dog shit place the paper bag on their front door mat set the bag on fire and ring the bell tell leg it to a convenient distance to film what happens next and post the video on you tube.
like your thinking :D
Any thoughts on post 8535, Guy, or even 8536?:)
Marco.
one should regularly wash ones handies; especially if you put them in dirty places:eyebrows:
Bigger rise in the death stats today, as you'd expect with the catch up over the weekend: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Still nothing of major concern though, with the number of positive tests still on the decline. Here's an interesting article to consider, explaining why vaccinated people dying shouldn't be a major cause for concern: https://theconversation.com/most-covid-deaths-in-england-now-are-in-the-vaccinated-heres-why-that-shouldnt-alarm-you-163671?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
I think it sets that out pretty clearly.
In that respect, it would be interesting to know the age demographic of the 131 recently reported deaths. Equally, it'll be interesting to see how the stats look tomorrow and towards the end of the week, and whether numbers continue to rise, or as has been happening recently, stabilise and then reduce.
I'm predicting the latter, but if it's the former, do bear in mind what's explained in the article above:)
Marco.
one should regularly wash ones handies; especially if you put them in dirty places:eyebrows:
Lol - have you been ogling at pics of someone again?:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
Lol - have you been ogling at pics of someone again?:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
not me guvnur... im a good boy i am;)
:lolsign:
One word... T O E S:lol:
Marco.
Hi Marco, I think that some of this may be down to semantics.
I don't translate my "person caring about the health of others" in the situation of wearing a mask in a shop as meaning that that person is a "caring person".
As an example; on a recent visit to Tesco I had to ask a woman to move away from the newspaper display which she was using as a lecturn to hold a copy of the Times which she was quite engrossed in.
She was wearing a mask, so in that respect she was caring about the health of others. However, in respect of getting in the way of other shoppers/contaminating the newspaper she obviously didn't give a shit, so not a generally "caring person".
I couldn't ever set myself up as judge and executioner (done too many dodgy things in the past :)), but I do try to act in a way that doesn't place others at risk.
With that in mind, I have very ambivalent views on a number of topics.
For instance, I was a smoker for many years, but gave up about twenty years ago (still on the gum though :doh:).
I still find it annoying when people suggest that smokers should be denied health treatment as they have "bought it on themselves" despite their taxes paid on cigarettes could quite easily pay for any health care they need in later life. Though there don't seem to be many advocating to withhold medical care for sporting injuries/obesity/rectifying silicone implant leaks/dental care for boiled sweet eaters - the list goes on.
However, I prefer being able to go in a pub without having my clothes stinking of cigarette smoke. I also feel guilty now about subjecting others to the potentially lethal effects of passive smoking.
We live in a "democracy" (separate thread needed for that one :lol:). The majority of the population have now agreed that having a vaccination is the right thing to do - one has to assume that was their free choice.
If it then becomes a requirement to be vaccinated in order to take a flight, go to a concert or whatever then that is part and parcel of living in a "democracy".
last para' is taking things to extreme, but interested in what the responses will be :)
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people voluntarily wearing masks are doing so because they think they're protecting themselves, not out of some altruistic motive.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people voluntarily wearing masks are doing so because they think they're protecting themselves, not out of some altruistic motive.
I'm pretty sure that you are right (or just because the use of a mask allows access to shops etc), still gives me a positive impression though :)
Bksabath
27-07-2021, 18:16
Any thoughts on post 8535, Guy, or even 8536?:)
Marco.
I got one for post 8535 It all ties up whit the discussion about label
The fascio represent the strength of may straws tied together small helpless people united to overturn adversity and Mussolini did same good things
Minimum working age and mandatory school for children’s, maternity live for women working unions and almost kept his electoral promises for a job to everyone, way before any one else i believe
He also did same bad things and make same serious mistakes one of those the Alliance whit Hitlers.
Old water sports promise was a car for every one the wolks vagen I can not really say nor care to know how the Swastika came out I know that it is one of the symbols on one of the Pope formal robes so they must have robbed that from same place
I also don’t know of any good thing done by old water sport.
The Italian war effort was a joke and rightly we celebrate liberation day If you have not seen it watch the movie Capitan Corelli Mandolin
So, there you go Fascist used as label to characterize the Little Hitler label
Yes, they make much sense and aptly convey what you are saying can’t stand the Little Hitler's at all and can spot them a mile away
Maybe they should not so liberally placed together?
Off topic ...maybe
Hey how many ever thought that Cassiopeia is a nice name for a daughter
A beautiful star on the belt of Orion they told you at school well actually it is the Foreskin of Orion romans being Romans thought that Orion had a big willy and so the Skin, = Pelle of his willy =Cassio was so far up
Or ever heard the Carmina Burana played in a church organ you know the bit that goes
Aprite Sfinteo, as it goes it is same dude having a poo.
Just saying about Labels nought else
Hi Marco, I think that some of this may be down to semantics.
I don't translate my "person caring about the health of others" in the situation of wearing a mask in a shop as meaning that that person is a "caring person".
Ok, what I was mainly referring to was this:
In my opinion, wearing a mask in shops is a sign of a person caring about the health of others.
My response:
Yes I understand what you mean, but can you also see that simply by making that statement, you're also implying that not wearing one is the sign of an uncaring one?
So may I ask what your overriding opinion is of someone not wearing a mask in a shop? Be honest, and if it's not caring, then you will understand the point I've made above:)
Also consider what I said earlier about NLP techniques and brainwashing, as for me it's relevant to much of the diktat that's come from the government throughout this pandemic. Scroll back if you need to (post 8536 contains the necessary info). I'd also be interested in your views on that.
Marco.
I'm pretty sure that you are right (or just because the use of a mask allows access to shops etc), still gives me a positive impression though :)
Funny that, I just think 'SHEEP'!:ner:;)
Marco.
Bksabath
27-07-2021, 18:45
I think that one wearing a mask not only show respect for others due to the current situation
I is my freedom of choice to wear one and a big finger up to a government that sold you freedom day so that they can take the 6 weeks holiday and do as they please whit all the perks that the job entitle (private jets to disclosed locations mostly multi millionare party donors private villas and police escorts)
How many unnecessary deaths today?
a big finger up to a government that sold you freedom day so that they can take the 6 weeks holiday and do as they please whit all the perks that the job entitle (private jets to disclosed locations mostly multi millionare party donors private villas and police escorts)
You're forgetting the groups of dancing girls, firing out ping-pong balls from their 'front ends';)
Marco.
So may I ask what your overriding opinion is of someone not wearing a mask in a shop? Be honest, and if it's not caring, then you will understand the point I've made above:)
Marco.
My opinion, when it was an expectation to wear one, was "arseholes" and quite naturally I kept my distance - bearing in mind that I am well aware of exemptions to people wearing a mask, my future son in law has an exemption so I understand that there are people who just can't comply as opposed to those who won't
To put this in context, those who were not wearing masks were most likely (about 90% of the time in my experience) to be shopping as a family group (kids running up and down the aisles) and ignoring any idea of social distancing - even to the extent of pushing in to me while I was waiting in the checkout queue, so that they could reach the 2 litre bottles of fizzy drink about a minute quicker :scratch:
Some people just don't give a shit.
Any thoughts on this?:
We live in a "democracy" (separate thread needed for that one ). The majority of the population have now agreed that having a vaccination is the right thing to do - one has to assume that was their free choice.
If it then becomes a requirement to be vaccinated in order to take a flight, go to a concert or whatever then that is part and parcel of living in a "democracy".
My opinion, when it was an expectation to wear one, was "arseholes" and quite naturally I kept my distance - bearing in mind that I am well aware of exemptions to people wearing a mask, my future son in law has an exemption so I understand that there are people who just can't comply as opposed to those who won't
That's cool (hope your future son-in-law is ok, btw). When it's mandatory (still is here) to wear a mask in shops, I will wear one, although I don't think the basic ones are particularly effective. However, on balance it's the right thing to do, as aside from anything else, not doing so would simply attract a whole load of grief!
However, I struggle with the word 'comply', as it's authoritarian connotations clash badly with my strong sense of civil liberty, so I try to 'comply' with as little as possible, unless *I* consider it's the right thing to do, someone asks me nicely, or I'm forced to by law.
I'm simply not someone who's naturally predisposed to bowing to authority. If it's necessary, I'll always challenge or question rules, rather than simply obeying them. That for me is the sign of a free thinker and someone with their own mind, as opposed to a subservient sheep. In my view, there are too many sheep [folk who too readily acquiesce to authority] in today's world, and it acts as a threat to our freedoms.
So, returning to the matter in hand....If you appreciate your son-in-law as having a legitimate exemption from wearing a mask in shops, then when you see others there not wearing masks, how are you able to separate the "arseholes" from people like your future son-in-law?
Moreover, and which was really the question I asked you in the first place, when it's no longer the requirement to wear masks in shops, as it is now where you live, what is your opinion of non-mask wearers, in terms of your perceived status of them as 'caring people'?
However, before answering that, allow me briefly to return to my previous question above, in reference to the definition of 'caring people'... How can you differentiate between non-mask wearers, such as your future son-in-law, and thousands of others like him who equally have the right not to wear one, in terms of them being a 'caring person' or not?
Do you see my point? You simply can't form that opinion, as unlike your future son-in-law, you don't know them or their reasons for not wearing a mask, and therefore to automatically label them as 'uncaring', or wrong, would be discriminatory.
We need to rid ourselves of the bad habit of unfairly judging others, simply because what they're doing is not what we consider is 'correct', and learn to RESPECT their alternative choice (if it's legal), even if we disagree with it.
To put this in context, those who were not wearing masks were most likely (about 90% of the time in my experience) to be shopping as a family group (kids running up and down the aisles) and ignoring any idea of social distancing - even to the extent of pushing in to me while I was waiting in the checkout queue, so that they could reach the 2 litre bottles of fizzy drink about a minute quicker :scratch:
Some people just don't give a shit.
That's just sheer ignorance and bad manners, but those types of people existed long before this pandemic and the requirement for wearing face masks in shops, and they'll also continue to exist long after it.
Any thoughts on this?:
We live in a "democracy" (separate thread needed for that one ). The majority of the population have now agreed that having a vaccination is the right thing to do - one has to assume that was their free choice.
If it then becomes a requirement to be vaccinated in order to take a flight, go to a concert or whatever then that is part and parcel of living in a "democracy".
Well, it's an entirely different thing for the majority of the population to exercise their free choice to be vaccinated, and the authorities in question then taking a decision to ban others from engaging in some of the activities you mention, and subsequently penalising them for their free choice.
Just because the majority of the population wanted to be vaccinated, doesn't mean that it's right for authorities to subsequently create rules that discriminate against the rest. Otherwise, what was the point in making the vaccine non-mandatory, if choosing not to be vaccinated only results in being penalised later for exercising that free choice?
That's hardly fair, is it? When vaccines became available, I don't remember the government saying: 'Oh and by the way, if you refuse to be vaccinated, we'll make your life as difficult as possible later, by exempting you from doing things others can, in order to force you to change your mind'... I'm referring to the introduction of 'Covid ID passes', which I believe will now be required to gain entry to large public events and nightclubs.
That's purely and simply coercion, and therefore incompatible with a democracy, supposedly promoting free choice. END OF!:)
However, international travel is a different matter, and there are valid reasons for controlling people's movements and imposing restrictions in that area, but not outside of that.
Marco.
I may even be sympathetic to "gain of function research" being carried out in order to advance understanding
Why this understanding was not used from the 19th of November when 3 Wuhan lab researcers ended up in hospital whit a mysterious virus?
Why the secret services did not report the communication black out around the Lab?
Why such research is illegal in other countries?
Why known concerns about the sloppy safety protocols of the Wuhan lab did not preclude any further founding or where ignored and kept on going?
I would appreciate a citation on that claim, Sandro, to investigate further.
Doctor Fauci is clearly fire-fighting here, but it may not imply a lab leak, as likely that he off-shored "Gain of Function" research that may be illegal in the US.
Doctor Mike Yeadon and Del Bigtree:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/oSwtUedmK9QB/
A long watch. Both fit the classic category of Conspiracy Theorists. Narcissists with too much time on their hands. A red flag. Another red flag was both of them endlessly touching their face.
Some points well made.
Vaccines are largely untested in long term.
Potentially dangerous to pregnant women particularly.
Vaccines and prior exposure will give some immunity to variants.
Risk of blood clots from vaccines.
Asymptomatic people are less infectious than symptomatic. He quoted 1% versus 18% to a single householder. I make that a group above 6 will have a serious outbreak.
We have a natural alertness to illness and avoid it. An interesting point, you can always spot someone with a cold.
Covid is a disease of institutions like schools, hospitals.
Polyethylene Glycol in mRNA vaccines can produce allergic reaction.
Covid Passports are open to abuse as Identity cards by an unscrupulous Government.
Points I found dubious.
Covid is no more dangerous than 'Flu.
Facemasks and hand-washing are ineffective.
We have good treatments for Covid like Chloroquine and Ivormectin.
We have evolved to be highly resistant to all germs, or we would starve to death if ill.
Lockdowns are ineffective.
There's a wise saying: "Never ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence."
This whole thing is a trip into the unknown for most everybody.
Any queries about the points I found dubious, I will elaborate my misgivings.
Morning Marco'
"However, before answering that, allow me briefly to return to my previous question above, in reference to the definition of 'caring people'... How can you differentiate between non-mask wearers, such as your future son-in-law, and thousands of others like him who equally have the right not to wear one, in terms of them being a 'caring person' or not?
Do you see my point? You simply can't form that opinion, as unlike your future son-in-law, you don't know them or their reasons for not wearing a mask, and therefore to automatically label them as 'uncaring', or wrong, would be discriminatory.
We need to rid ourselves of the bad habit of unfairly judging others, simply because what they're doing is not what we consider as 'correct', and learn to RESPECT their choice (if it's legal), even if we disagree with it."
As I said I don't think of the phrase "caring people" as meaning the same as someone who "cares about my health"
Adolf Hitler was a "caring person" in his relationship with "Blondi" and in his vegetarianism, but just look at the rest of his character.
I would not judge a person based on just whether or not they wore a mask, BUT in the cases where I have thought "arsehole" and tried to keep my distance, my judgement has been based on several aspects of their presentation on that occasion - no mask/ entering supermarket separately when signs indicated no family groups, only to join together once in the shop, then having no inclination to control their children/combined with a complete lack of regard for social distancing etc.
I admit that it is wrong of me to judge by demeanour and dress, but that also plays a part in my assessment - everyone does this, it is part of human survival mechanism relying on making threat assessment all the way through to judging suitability of a mate :kiss:
"That's hardly fair, is it? When vaccines became available, I don't remember the government saying: 'Oh and by the way, if you refuse to be vaccinated, we'll make your life as difficult as possible later, by exempting you from doing things others can, in order to force you to change your mind'..."
You are absolutely right about the above.
However, given what you have said about Boris and co previously, do you really expect them to have come up with a coherent, consistent and sustained "game plan" from the start :lol:
Although, to be fair, I don't think that any government (bar North Korea perhaps? :)) have kept to one stance on this pandemic.
"However, international travel is a different matter, and there are valid reasons for controlling people's movements and imposing restrictions in that area, but not outside of that."
This one I struggle with. I desperately want a week away with Fliss, I have not had a swim in a warm clean sea for over two years now, or walked around somewhere different with her. But I am really not keen on the idea of sitting in a plane for several hours breathing recirculated air doesn't appeal.
To then hear about "celebrities" :steam: avoiding essential travel rules, or people traveling to Pakistan to attend family funerals and then whining about having to isolate on their return really winds me up.
lots of other things that are on my mind/pissing me off - but Fliss wants me to clear a room so that she can convert it to a sewing/craft room, so duty calls :)
I would appreciate a citation on that claim, Sandro, to investigate further.
Yes, and before you do that, I would 'appreciate', i.e. want answer to the following (from earlier)...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000y7cb
An irritating conspiracy theorist on air at 2m20, ****rattling on about freedom and liberty****, if you want to raise your blood pressure.
The only thing raising my blood pressure is you glibly dismissing the importance of freedom and liberty!!
So that's not important at all to you? And I *want* an answer to that, so you'll be repeatedly asked until I get one...
:popcorn::popcorn:
Well, I'm waiting... Ignoring me, Steve, is NOT an opinion. When I say something, I mean it!
The reason I'm pressing you on this matter is because, as I feel VERY strongly indeed about the importance of freedom and liberty, I'm not sure that I'm comfortable sharing the company of someone here who *seemingly* has little regard for the two things (along with good health) that matter more than anything else in life, and are the cornerstone of a democracy, and therefore is *seemingly* only too happy to trivialise or dismiss them.
What would you rather instead, a dictatorship??
Therefore, I await your clarification of the above at your earliest convenience. Please do not post further on this thread until you have responded to this.
Marco.
Morning, Guy. Thanks for your considered response to my earlier post. I'll get to it shortly:)
Marco.
Hi Marco,
Sorry to be THAT Guy here but,
https://theartofsound.net/images/smilies/17428.gif
Is it possible your own (obviously strong) thoughts on "personal liberty" are clouding your judgement in the discussion on other related matters here?
A "Free Society" also means that people are entitled to disagree with others, and are entitled to their own opinion and views.
Outside of concrete facts (With all things Covid, lots of opposing opinions, ignored science and in there somewhere actual Data)
Two things:
1: You've told a Forum member that unless they answer your questions they will not be allowed to post again on this thread and that:
2: "I'm not sure that I'm comfortable sharing the company of someone here who *seemingly* has little regard for the two things, along with good health, which matter more than anything else in life and are the cornerstone of a free society, and therefore is *seemingly* only too happy to trivialise or dismiss them."
Just to hold up a mirror, your (or anyone else's) values might not be HIS values, He might have a different view or yardstick as to what a cornerstone of a Free Society is?
Sure these folks can speak up for themselves, but I've always found AOS to be a "broad church" as to views and opinions, and that's a good thing.
Subtle "flexing" or loaded language from anyone (Moderator/Owner or not :eek:) doesn't always make for a pleasant read.
Of course you could just be being Trolled,
it can be too easy to take the bait with some folk.
Just one Mans opinion Gaffer.
No feelings were hurt during the making of this post. :)
Yes, and before you do that, I would 'appreciate', i.e. want answer to the following (from earlier)...
:popcorn::popcorn:
Well, I'm waiting... Ignoring me, Steve, is NOT an opinion. When I say something, I mean it!
The reason I'm pressing you on this matter is because, as I feel VERY strongly indeed about the importance of freedom and liberty, I'm not sure that I'm comfortable sharing the company of someone here who *seemingly* has little regard for the two things, along with good health, which matter more than anything else in life, and are the cornerstone of a free society, and therefore is *seemingly* only too happy to trivialise or dismiss them.
What would you rather instead, a dictatorship??
Therefore, I await your clarification of the above at your earliest convenience. Please do not post further on this thread until you have responded to the above.
Marco.
Hi Marco,
Sorry to be THAT Guy here but,
https://theartofsound.net/images/smilies/17428.gif
Is it possible your own (obviously strong) thoughts on "personal liberty" are clouding your judgement in the discussion on other related matters here?
A "Free Society" also means that people are entitled to disagree with others, and are entitled to their own opinion and views.
Outside of concrete facts (With all things Covid, lots of opposing opinions, ignored science and in there somewhere actual Data)
Two things:
1: You've told a Forum member that unless they answer your questions they will not be allowed to post again on this thread and that:
2: "I'm not sure that I'm comfortable sharing the company of someone here who *seemingly* has little regard for the two things, along with good health, which matter more than anything else in life and are the cornerstone of a free society, and therefore is *seemingly* only too happy to trivialise or dismiss them."
Just to hold up a mirror, your (or anyone else's) values might not be HIS values, He might have a different view or yardstick as to what a cornerstone of a Free Society is?
Sure these folks can speak up for themselves, but I've always found AOS to be a "broad church" as to views and opinions, and that's a good thing.
Subtle "flexing" or loaded language from anyone (Moderator/Owner or not :eek:) doesn't always make for a pleasant read.
Of course you could just be being Trolled,
it can be too easy to take the bait with some folk.
Just one Mans opinion Gaffer.
No feelings were hurt during the making of this post. :)
Thanks for that, Gaz, No problems on anything you've written, all of which I agree with.
However, the highlighted bit above is my main concern, as I've thought for a while now (based on evidence from Steve's posts here and elsewhere) that he's largely on AoS 'for a jolly' at my (and others') expense. However he could simply be a little eccentric and therefore I'm misinterpreting his intentions.
So I need him to respond now, in order to clarify that and convince me he's not here to troll. If so, I will apologise for getting him wrong and we can move on, and at least I won't have that niggling doubt in my mind every time he posts something. Sorry, but it had to be done. Ta!:cool:
Over to you now, Steve....
Marco.
Bksabath
28-07-2021, 12:00
I would appreciate a citation on that claim, Sandro, to investigate further.
Doctor Fauci is clearly fire-fighting here, but it may not imply a lab leak, as likely that he off-shored "Gain of Function" research that may be illegal in the US.
Doctor Mike Yeadon and Del Bigtree:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/oSwtUedmK9QB/
A long watch. Both fit the classic category of Conspiracy Theorists. Narcissists with too much time on their hands. A red flag. Another red flag was both of them endlessly touching their face.
Some points well made.
Vaccines are largely untested in long term.
Potentially dangerous to pregnant women particularly.
Vaccines and prior exposure will give some immunity to variants.
Risk of blood clots from vaccines.
Asymptomatic people are less infectious than symptomatic. He quoted 1% versus 18% to a single householder. I make that a group above 6 will have a serious outbreak.
We have a natural alertness to illness and avoid it. An interesting point, you can always spot someone with a cold.
Covid is a disease of institutions like schools, hospitals.
Polyethylene Glycol in mRNA vaccines can produce allergic reaction.
Covid Passports are open to abuse as Identity cards by an unscrupulous Government.
Points I found dubious.
Covid is no more dangerous than 'Flu.
Facemasks and hand-washing are ineffective.
We have good treatments for Covid like Chloroquine and Ivormectin.
We have evolved to be highly resistant to all germs, or we would starve to death if ill.
Lockdowns are ineffective.
There's a wise saying: "Never ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence."
This whole thing is a trip into the unknown for most everybody.
Any queries about the points I found dubious, I will elaborate my misgivings.
U.S. intel report identified 3 Wuhan lab researchers who fell ill in November 2019 (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-intel-report-identified-3-wuhan-lab-researchers-who-n1268327)
There are many sources camming up just by typing lab researchers falling sick near wuhan in november 2019 this one is the first that came up
I would agree that the sources may be questionable
It should have been the main venue for the WHO to investigate this at the very start, remember that they appointed Daszak to carry out the research then most probably by now they are either tarmac bicycles parking stand's or chicken feed
Also
Report says cellphone data suggests October shutdown at Wuhan lab, but experts are skeptical (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/report-says-cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716)
again first result just by typing a search
How much money is wasted by the secret services world wide? I posted this way back and remember remarking how quick Israel was on taking up a prompt response...
But hey plausible deniability may have also same to do whit it (Secret services not telling PM or president about stuff going on so that he is not responsible for it)
Ok OK tin hat and such bla bla bla
Please show me how a virus from a bat ended up infecting a human been , on all other viruses an intermediate animal or such has normally been found in a few months
Do your 1+1 on how many factors would contribute to a Lab Leak crack pot theory and you end up whit a pretty huge stinking pot IMO
Also take in to account how nice and honest the Chines are, jut have a look at how many death they have just reported following the recent floods and what they are doing to the ones trying to report about it, and this one is a totally natural thing that they would not be able to control.
Just to be clear once again IMO if it was a lab leak it was a mistake the ones to blame are Daszak and Fauci
The bat theory has additional credibility as there was an article in a 2008 edition of 'Nature' which predicted that this exact thing would happen if something was not done about the bats and/or the wet markets.
Lab leak is perfectly possible although I would blame the people responsible for the lab rather than some doctor in the U.S.
The bat theory has additional credibility as there was an article in a 2008 edition of 'Nature' which predicted that this exact thing would happen if something was not done about the bats and/or the wet markets.
Lab leak is perfectly possible although I would blame the people responsible for the lab rather than some doctor in the U.S.
pangolin was felt most likely but was not the only possible crossover point. The trouble with bats is they are riddled with different coronaviruses. Wet markets have been known to be of huge risk for many years. Stopping them is another issue.
Its not impossible for it to have come from a lab of course, but there is no proof, and the wet market is still highly likely, as much as many would like it to be otherwise i guess. Its always nice to have a direct target for your anger. A lot of people like to have a person to blame; always has been that way
Bksabath
28-07-2021, 13:39
Lab leak is perfectly possible although I would blame the people responsible for the lab rather than some doctor in the U.S.
Just to quote Fauci in 2012 about gain of function research he sez " Not only that it is necessary it is also worth the risk"
Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fauci-argued-benefits-of-gain-of-function-research-outweighed-pandemic-risk-in-2012-paper/ar-AAKuFrH)
Well maybe but then the you need to come clean and tell me that you never watched the Daszak interview I posted a few times and maybe after you did we can split hairs about it
TWiV 615: Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYDL_RK--w)
Copy and paste from the transcript
Lab leak is perfectly possible although I would blame the people responsible for the lab rather than some doctor in the U.S.
Just to quote Fauci in 2012 about gain of function research he sez " Not only that it is necessary it is also worth the risk"
Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper (msn.com)
Well maybe but then the you need to come clean and tell me that you never watched the Daszak interview I posted a few times and maybe after you did we can split hairs about it
TWiV 615: Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance - YouTube
There are a few more clips of the bragging about Gain of function research around and reading the transcript may open out of contest issues I tried to copy an paste from it but WTF watch the flipping clip
Main thing from it would be IMO you train them and give them capabilities you interact whit them every day and the smoking gun Inset it in the back bone of another virus
So same doctor that trained them told them what to do and payed for it as in its own country the research is banned. then not only gave questionable advice (Fauci) and tried to bury the evidence Daszak
Why as he obviously knows so much about Sars Corona viruses and such should it no be Daszak on the telly telling us what to do instead of that ostrich Chris Whitty?
There are a few more clips bragging about Gain of function research around and reading the transcript may open out of contest issues
Main thing from it would be IMO Quote >>>>you train them and give them capabilities you interact whit them every day
and the smoking gun
Insert it in the back bone of another virus
So same doctor that trained them told them what to do and payed for it as in its own country the research is banned. And when the trainee fucks up not only gave questionable advice (Fauci) and tried to bury the evidence Daszak.
As Daszak clearly brag about his daily yes Flipping Daily dealing whit the lab staff how could he not know what was happening?
Why as he obviously knows so much about Sars Corona viruses and such should it no be Daszak on the telly telling us what to do instead of that ostrich Chris Whitty?
Bksabath
28-07-2021, 14:20
:lol::doh:
From whikipedia
Pangolins, sometimes known as scaly anteaters,[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin#cite_note-5) are mammals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammals) of the order Pholidota (/fɒlɪˈdoʊtə/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English), from Ancient Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) ϕολιδωτός (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%95%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%B9%CE%B4%CF%89%CF%84%CF%8C%C F%82) - "clad in scales").[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin#cite_note-RWB-6) The one extant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neontology) family, the Manidae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manidae), has three genera: Manis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manis), Phataginus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phataginus), and Smutsia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smutsia). Manis comprises the four species found in Asia, while Phataginus and Smutsia include two species each, all found in sub-Saharan Africa.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin#cite_note-web2.utc.edu-7) These species range in size from 30 to 100 cm (12 to 39 in). A number of extinct (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct) pangolin species are also known.
Yes there you go a Pangolin had intercourse whit a bat and fell hill so a Chinese dude gave it mouth to mouth and then travels few hundred miles to buy same fish
who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf)
No link to the food market has been found no sign of any animal been infected over 80000 samples taken
It would be in the best interest of China to find the animal none has been found !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
Skip to the end to the source of infection paragraph in the Knowledge Gap section
D. Knowledge Gaps
Knowledge gaps and key questions to be answered to guide control strategies include:
Source of infection• Animal origin and natural reservoir of the virus• Human-animal interface of the original event• Early cases whose exposure could not be identified
:D
Animal origin and natural reservoir unknown
Human that gave the Pangolin a blow job Unknown
Early case whose exposure could not be identified now used to park bycycle's
:thumbsup:
Fair play!
Thanks for that, Gaz, No problems on anything you've written, all of which I agree with.
However, the highlighted bit above is my main concern, as I've thought for a while now (based on evidence from Steve's posts here and elsewhere) that he's largely on AoS 'for a jolly' at my (and others') expense. However he could simply be a little eccentric and therefore I'm misinterpreting his intentions.
So I need him to respond now, in order to clarify that and convince me he's not here to troll. If so, I will apologise for getting him wrong and we can move on, and at least I won't have that niggling doubt in my mind every time he posts something. Sorry, but it had to be done. Ta!:cool:
Over to you now, Steve....
Marco.
Bksabath
28-07-2021, 18:48
'Manhunt' for BBC journalist as China targets foreign correspondents covering fatal Henan floods - Press Gazette (https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/manhunt-bbc-journalist-china-henan-floods/)
I am not sure if any one has been following this
It is just history repeating itself nothing new
IMO same one sending money there and training them to make viruses is way past "it's head need inspecting"
Zhengzhou residents mourn subway flood victims in China’s central Henan province - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6rNJzoSGjk)
Only 33 dead reported if one believe that
Stryder5
28-07-2021, 19:09
Not commenting on anything anyone has posted, just pointing out some Government tactics.
There are many paid Trolls whose sources of contention come from what is known as a Troll Farm (like a call centre) ie a collection of people with instant access to a database of information and arguments most recently on the subject of Covid.
Their purpose is to belittle and/or bully (cyber bullying and disinformation) people about posts that do not agree with MSM or Governments.
It’s interesting that China has alleged 2 million paid trolls that not only use the internet this way, but report any dissenters for appropriate sanctions or more sinister actions!
Gary
Very interesting, Gary. I wasn't aware of that, although I suspected stuff like that went on.
I'm sure that's not the case with Steve. However, he's still to respond in his defence, and I *WON'T* be letting this go until he does, as we operate a zero-tolerance policy against trolls.
Gaz, no worries, that's coo:)
Guy, sorry for my lack of response yet to your earlier post. Just been busy elsewhere today! I'll defo reply later:cool:
Marco.
Down to 91 now, which is a good sign, as there wasn't another big jump in the death stats, which I suspected there wouldn't be: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Hospital admissions down too, and daily positive tests still plummeting:)
Marco.
Thanks for that, Gaz, No problems on anything you've written, all of which I agree with.
However, the highlighted bit above is my main concern, as I've thought for a while now (based on evidence from Steve's posts here and elsewhere) that he's largely on AoS 'for a jolly' at my (and others') expense. However he could simply be a little eccentric and therefore I'm misinterpreting his intentions.
So I need him to respond now, in order to clarify that and convince me he's not here to troll. If so, I will apologise for getting him wrong and we can move on, and at least I won't have that niggling doubt in my mind every time he posts something. Sorry, but it had to be done. Ta!:cool:
Over to you now, Steve....
Marco.
OK, here goes. As someone who has hung round the Fora for years, even been a moderator, I admit I mostly plain enjoy the forums. My alarming tendency is to mix gentle humour with serious on-topicness.
Some people don't get my gentle nudgings. But I never bully people.
Now Marco, admit that you as site owner, have a sig that would never pass muster on other forums. "Refuse the Vaccination. Preserve Freedom!"
This poor chap was certainly on the same page as you: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57984561
Unfortunately ended up "Brown Bread" if you know the London expression. Dead. No vaccines.
I am almost overwhelmed with SARS Covid-19 disinformation. I decided a couple of Pfizer Jabs significantly improved my chances of getting out of this Nightmare alive.
That and avoiding the worst infection hotspots. Facemasks, hand-washing an' all that.
Anyway, one can only deal with the worst nonsense one bit at a time.
I mentioned this BBC R5L broadcast at 2:21:30 ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000y7cb
Opined that anyone who followed Kate Shemirani was probably as mad as she is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Shemirani
Even David Icke, who I know and like, distanced himself from her remarks.
I am extremely Liberal in my views. I wish everybody well. But can't stand woolly thinking when lives are at stake. Particularly my own life.
Hope that clears it up.
Onto more interesting stuff. My brother was a journalist. He told me all the tricks of bad journalism. THIS my friends is ROTTEN journalism.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/oSwtUedmK9QB/
Aside previous concerns about inaccuracies. here's two blatent ones. Slightly blurry Images below.
Right from the start Del Bigtree poo-poos Pfizer's claims of 100% success with 12-15 inoculations. With "A GRAVE warning". Says since kids are 100% immune to Covid of course they are 100% immune afterwards. NOT SO. You can read the Pfizer report here:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210331005503/en/
Bottom line is out of approx. 1300 kids in vaccinated group NO cases of Covid were detected. In the Placebo group 18 cases were detected.
Second gratuitious and misleading image is at 1:15:41. 5,165 deaths from the vaccine out of 294,801 reports, 17,619 hospitalizations? A thousand Blood Clots and Bell's Palsy. :eek:
No it's rubbish. This has little to do with the vaccines causing deaths. It's the Covid that kills people.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.
Sorry long post. I didn't start it. :)
29663
29664
Now Marco, admit that you as site owner, have a sig that would never pass muster on other forums. "Refuse the Vaccination. Preserve Freedom!"
Firstly, that's NOT what my signature says, so kindly read it properly. It says refuse any MANDATORY vaccines for Covid. That's quite a difference - and the word 'freedom' isn't even mentioned!
And whether my signature would "pass muster" on other forums is irrelevant. It's on here, not there!
This poor chap was certainly on the same page as you: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57984561
Unfortunately ended up "Brown Bread" if you know the London expression. Dead. No vaccines.
Yes, but that there's no particular reason that should happen to me, as I've survived it so far, despite my wife getting it.
I am almost overwhelmed with SARS Covid-19 disinformation. I decided a couple of Pfizer Jabs significantly improved my chances of getting out of this Nightmare alive.
That and avoiding the worst infection hotspots. Facemasks, hand-washing an' all that.
Anyway, one can only deal with the worst nonsense one bit at a time.
Your idea of "nonsense" is simply your opinion, nothing else. I fundamentally disagree.
I am extremely Liberal in my views. I wish everybody well. But can't stand woolly thinking when lives are at stake. Particularly my own life
So now you're denigrating my way of thinking, what next? My life has got nothing to do with your life. I'm incapable of endangering yours, as we live poles apart - thank goodness!
Hope that clears it up.
Nope, it clears up fuck all. Indeed, your above jibes and personal remarks have only made things worse, and you still haven't answered my question about what your views are on freedom and liberty.
All you've done is convince me now that you're a troll, probably from another forum, who decided to join here to wind me up because you don't like the contents of my signature. So it ends now. Take your "gentle nudgings" elsewhere where they're more welcome. I am not your or anyone else's plaything.
Marco.
Filterlab
29-07-2021, 12:39
It amazes me Marco how many people read your signature and then state that it says something completely different. Astonishing lack of comprehension in the world these days.
I know, mate, it was the same with the nutter we had to ban for similar (with his 'first and last post' cack in Critic's Corner, despite him having posted previously about a dozen times):mental:
The word "mandatory", no matter whether it's put in enlarged, emboldened text, in bright red colour, or surrounded in fucking neon lights lol, always seems invisible!:D So those guilty of 'missing it' are either dim or blind, or both!!
A classic case of reading what your bias TELLS you to see, rather than what's actually there...:doh:
Marco.
Down to 85: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
scottish deaths still running high although cases are averagely lower. this is common nearing end of the 28 days. i expect englands death rate to go up in a few weeks too.
Possibly, mate, we'll see. It'll be nothing to remotely panic about though, or to cause any hint of lockdowns.
Marco.
Bksabath
30-07-2021, 18:28
Down to 85: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
I am having a look at Worldometer Corona
Seems to be updated daily and the last 2 days show a rise, the next few days are crucial as there is a delay between Govt going on holiday and further one for sick peoples to became un-sick one way or another
85 deaths to many today and a rise in new case about 30000 or so
How many new cases are not reported? how many have deleted the app or are not bothered anymore?
Any way
Misleading and Dishonest Wall Street Journal Article on Ivermectin - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRFnBITJZoA)
News seems to be focused on the sport which is obviously much more important than floods in China Hail in Italy and a X1.5 solar flare that just missed us because it just was in the wrong place
This as well is velly velly interesting
Dr. Kory Discusses COVID-19 Management - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wPsAa2V0bg)
Hi Sandro,
Thanks, that's interesting, and no doubt relevant. However, my focus just now is solely on the UK, and we're down again now to 68: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Hospital admissions *seem* to be levelling off too, with positive tests now sharply decreasing, so things appear to be moving in the right direction:)
Marco.
Bksabath
31-07-2021, 07:19
Hi Sandro,
Thanks, that's interesting, and no doubt relevant. However, focus just now is solely on the UK, and we're down again now to 68: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Hospital admissions *seem* to be levelling off too, with positive tests now sharply decreasing, so things appear to be moving in the right direction:)
Marco.
Yes agree the trend is good and yes I do only look at the worldometer UK data compared to the gov chart which is late. data reported is 27th = 131 29th =85 30th =68 compared to 59 incomplete 13 for the 29th and no data for the 30th
I do not understand why there is a difference as the worldometer use the gov chart as source any way trend is down which is the main thing
Slightly up at 71, but still nothing to 'write home about': https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
Bksabath
01-08-2021, 06:00
Slightly up at 71, but still nothing to 'write home about': https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
well those 71 will not write to any one
71 to many IMO ho many would still be around if ... quite a loads of if's
vitamin D and ivermectin to start whit
hey good job you are not a politico daily rags would have a field day whit that remark :D
Lol, indeed. Yes of course... ONE is one too many deaths, mate, but we're still in the middle of a pandemic, so sadly folks are going to die.
I'm talking purely in terms of the situation becoming more serious (which so far it isn't), and therefore prompting more restrictions. All I want is for this shite we've all had to endure for so long, as quickly as possible, becomes a distant memory!!
Marco.
“You can run some very simple models to see if the case numbers that we saw earlier this month are consistent with effective herd immunity,” said Prof Mark Woolhouse of Edinburgh University. “And in my view the answer is, yes, it is. There are some big caveats but the bottom line is that those figures are consistent with the impact of herd immunity.”
Woolhouse pointed to a recent Office of National Statistics survey which showed that around 90% of adults in the UK now possessed Covid antibodies, which indicates that they could be capable of some kind of immune response to infection. “That is a very large fraction and it may well be having an impact,” he said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/is-covid-19-on-the-run-in-the-uk/ar-AAMNT3v?ocid=msedgntp
Bksabath
01-08-2021, 12:36
yes Marco and Martin
Herd Immunity is exactly what Fauci prescribed on the 26 of January 2020 when he told that he decided to go for a mitigation strategy
An antibody test would be the way to have same peace of mind as it will tell you if you had the Fauci virus or if negative maybe one can be a bit careful and take a bare dally stroll in the sunshine.
The NHS prefer to waste money by not making this widely available, IMO this is a political decision, the clear results of it is that the Populace is in a state of fear, divided, easy to be manipulated and open to civil liberties limitation.
I am calling this a waste of money as the alternative to knowing or not are:
The free of charge NHS "rapid Covid 19 Antigen self test supplied by NHS test and Trace
Test to be taken when flaying in or out at over £60
Mask and such at inflated prices, this is also the first example of creating division, as U may recall the discussion that we had here on this forum on this regard
All those flawed, again as discussed here, measures
To quote from Martin post WTF does it mean "it may well be" ?
does it or not? another cunt jumping on the band wagon that cant resist the opportunity to write same non facts? another double cunt news-caster making beer money by presenting another non entity?
“That is a very large fraction and it may well be having an impact,” he said.
I have just ordered mine from a private source for £50 .
Depending on results I may stop wearing a mask in a couple of days and carry on living as before this "current situation"
( I am sick of earing due to the "current situation" it is an excuse for shoddy services please ad to the above)
Still if the mitigating measures , flawed as they are, where in place those 71 or whatever may have had one or two days extra to write at home.
I am sure your tone would be much different if you did indeed know any one of the 71 or whatever.
Thing is you do know them! they are same one mothers and fathers and cunts and somebody uncle and clever and lazy and loved same what just like you and me.
Think about it and let our PM shout "err errh only 71 today am errh hem forward to victory!!" I am used to it from such
I am sure your tone would be much different if you did indeed know any one of the 71 or whatever.
Thing is you do know them! they are same one mothers and fathers and cunts and somebody uncle and clever and lazy and loved same
I hope that's not aimed at me.
Herd immunity is the only solution whether by vaccine or a high percentage of people contracting the virus, there is no other way, I was saying this back in April 2020.
'Civil Liberties limitations' - that would be why almost all restrictions have now been dropped in England then? Surely they should be increasing the restrictions if there was some hidden agenda? Conspiracy theory/fantasy. Government control is an illusion, they can't even stop millions of people taking illegal drugs every day.
Society relies on voluntary compliance to work effectively, it doesn't require everyone to be 100% compliant all the time. That doesn't happen under any regime, not even the cruellest. You think they don't know that?
'It may well be' - because you can't make absolute predictions about things like this, data not necessarily 100 percent reliable, and there are potentially unknown unknowns. No real expert will commit themselves 100 percent in such circumstances.
'Masks at inflated prices' - don't know where you buy yours but mine cost a quid. Okay probably 50 times what it cost to make and ship but for a quid it's hardly a major issue is it?
Bksabath
01-08-2021, 14:37
I hope that's not aimed at me.
Herd immunity is the only solution whether by vaccine or a high percentage of people contracting the virus, there is no other way, I was saying this back in April 2020.
'Civil Liberties limitations' - that would be why almost all restrictions have now been dropped in England then? Surely they should be increasing the restrictions if there was some hidden agenda? Conspiracy theory/fantasy. Government control is an illusion, they can't even stop millions of people taking illegal drugs every day.
Society relies on voluntary compliance to work effectively, it doesn't require everyone to be 100% compliant all the time. That doesn't happen under any regime, not even the cruellest. You think they don't know that?
'It may well be' - because you can't make absolute predictions about things like this, data not necessarily 100 percent reliable, and there are potentially unknown unknowns. No real expert will commit themselves 100 percent in such circumstances.
'Masks at inflated prices' - don't know where you buy yours but mine cost a quid. Okay probably 50 times what it cost to make and ship but for a quid it's hardly a major issue is it?
Clearly it is directed at all are in your conscience guilty same what?
Upset peoples lash out at all indiscriminately if you find my post offensive bear this in mind
How do you prove herd immunity if you don't carry out the test?
There are still talks of vaccine Passports
Nothing wrong whit certain drugs and they could alleviate the fall back by legalising especially in regard to opiates. I few will suffer as a result but no more petty crime and criminals making money out of it
Not FFp2 is it ? it would have costed you 15 P before
Is not only the mask btw think plastic screens public transport prices and so on.
"It may well be having an impact" is no commitment at all where are the numbers how did he came to this conclusion
How do the say the Vaccine is whatever % working and how much of it is just smoke and mirrors?
CDC leak, summary and full report - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsRdICFRHcc)
I know very well about regimens and such back in 1977 was already working at the biennale in Venice I was material in giving "The dissidents" a voice
£6 from Costco for 50,
...and as a Specs wearer these are the best "non steam up" ones I've used.
I hope that's not aimed at me.
Herd immunity is the only solution whether by vaccine or a high percentage of people contracting the virus, there is no other way, I was saying this back in April 2020.
'Civil Liberties limitations' - that would be why almost all restrictions have now been dropped in England then? Surely they should be increasing the restrictions if there was some hidden agenda? Conspiracy theory/fantasy. Government control is an illusion, they can't even stop millions of people taking illegal drugs every day.
Society relies on voluntary compliance to work effectively, it doesn't require everyone to be 100% compliant all the time. That doesn't happen under any regime, not even the cruellest. You think they don't know that?
'It may well be' - because you can't make absolute predictions about things like this, data not necessarily 100 percent reliable, and there are potentially unknown unknowns. No real expert will commit themselves 100 percent in such circumstances.
'Masks at inflated prices' - don't know where you buy yours but mine cost a quid. Okay probably 50 times what it cost to make and ship but for a quid it's hardly a major issue is it?
............
An antibody test would be the way to have same peace of mind as it will tell you if you had the Fauci virus or if negative maybe one can be a bit careful and take a bare dally stroll in the sunshine..............
Sorry Sandro, I must admit that I don't know what it's like in Liverpool but the idea of people around here taking a "bare daily stroll" is just too much for my sensibilities :spew:
Bksabath
02-08-2021, 06:16
Sorry Sandro, I must admit that I don't know what it's like in Liverpool but the idea of people around here taking a "bare daily stroll" is just too much for my sensibilities :spew:
Well neither the Lass on the left or the right ever complains
it may well be the not overlooked garden or maybe ...
29665
but then again maybe I should have putt a smiley on that post as well
it is a 20 year old picture
But then again you said it Liverpool 29666
Way down to 24 today: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
As ever, after the catch up over the weekend, I'd expect a significant jump in the death stats tomorrow.
Marco.
Interesting article here: https://theconversation.com/covid-the-reason-cases-are-rising-among-the-double-vaccinated-its-not-because-vaccines-arent-working-164797?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
...noting:
"There are several factors at play that explain why such a high proportion of cases are in the fully vaccinated. COVID vaccines are extremely effective, but none 100% so. This itself isn’t surprising – flu vaccines aren’t 100% effective either. Yet in the US alone flu vaccines are estimated to prevent millions of cases of illness, tens of thousands of hospitalisations and thousands of deaths every year. The COVID vaccines are doing the same in the UK right now – all one has to do is compare the curves from the winter wave with those from this summer.
As cases are rising, hospitalisations and deaths are rising too, but not at anywhere near the same level as they were in the winter. In the second half of December 2020 – a time when UK case rates were similar to what they are now – about 3,800 people were being admitted to hospital with COVID each day. The average now is around 700. So though that’s still higher than we wish it was, it’s a lot lower than it was the last time we had this many infections.".
I would also add that death rates are also incomparable, as during the time period mentioned in December last year, nearly 800 people were also dying every day. The average now is about 70.
A reason then to be cautiously optimistic about the future?:)
Marco.
hifi_dave
03-08-2021, 10:42
Meanwhile Wuhan is in total lockdown again, despite them "eradicating" Covid months ago.
The lab probably had another leak....
If the lab had been located in Wales, it would've been a leek:D:doh:
Anyway, as predicted, the usual 'Tuesday jump' has increased deaths to 138: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
We'll see how much things level off tomorrow.
Marco.
If the lab had been located in Wales, it would've been a leek:D:doh:
Anyway, as predicted, the usual 'Tuesday jump' has increased deaths to 138: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
We'll see how much things level off tomorrow.
Marco.
about 9 in scotland i think.. 1000+ cases .. so its fairly stable at least though not getting hugely better
Bksabath
03-08-2021, 19:57
In the mean time
Copy and paste from Newsweek
Breaking: House Foreign affairs committee has concluded Covid leaked from Wuhan lab.
We need to know why Dr. Fauci lied & pretended Covid was naturally occurring when he was involved in ‘gain of function’ aka weaponization of the Corona Virus at the Wuhan lab. Investigate!
— Melissa Tate (@TheRightMelissa) August 2, 2021
I very much like to see the source this issue has far to many politica banging on one or the other bell
ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf (house.gov) (https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf)
this is the 84 pages report
HANG the cunt, live on TV... He's as GUILTY as sin, and as I said, I'd turn up the volume on the TV, just to listen to his NECK SNAP!!:acid:
Marco.
Down now to 119: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/, but crucially also a significant decrease in hospitalisations, down to 668, from a previous 900-odd, and positive tests are still dropping sharply.
Let's hope these trends continue and we can reduce this thing to the status of a minor inconvenience by Xmas!:)
Marco.
This is worth reading: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-republican-report-says-coronavirus-leaked-chinese-lab-scientists-still-2021-08-02/
"We now believe it's time to completely dismiss the wet market as the source," said the report. "We also believe the preponderance of the evidence proves the virus did leak from the WIV and that it did so sometime before September 12, 2019."
Interesting... As they say: THE TRUTH WILL OUT!
Marco.
The Black Death is now thought to have originated in China in the 14th century. It killed between 75 and 200 million people in Europe, Asia and North Africa.
just some rednecks wanting to blame china. its got no proof and america's intelligence agencies or scientists have not agreed with it.
SO FAR
The Black Death is now thought to have originated in China in the 14th century. It killed between 75 and 200 million people in Europe, Asia and North Africa.
there has been some interesting work done on the plague and it may well have been a virus, probably from Africa.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184-000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death/
just some rednecks wanting to blame china. its got no proof and america's intelligence agencies or scientists have not agreed with it.
SO FAR
Well, as I said, THE TRUTH WILL OUT - and when it does, and if it proves any deliberate wrongdoings, then I WANT the *severest* punishment possible meted out to all those responsible!!!
Marco.
Well, as I said, THE TRUTH WILL OUT - and when it does, and if it proves any deliberate wrongdoings, then I WANT the *severest* punishment possible meted out to all those responsible!!!
Marco.
im sure we all do; if it can be done of course without starting ww3. if it was the chinese then expect a deadlier one soon as they have then proved it works..
one of course hopes not but it depends on if it was an accident or deliberate??
Bksabath
04-08-2021, 17:46
Well, as I said, THE TRUTH WILL OUT - and when it does, and if it proves any deliberate wrongdoings, then I WANT the *severest* punishment possible meted out to all those responsible!!!
Marco.
I have not read the full 84 pages collection of legalia and Politicandoand probably will never understand it I can not say that the proof of the deed is there
All I have seen is a collection of bits and pieces that I have already posted here any way
One thing pisses me off ...
Where is Fauci in 2012 telling the world Quote : Not only this research is necessary it is also worth the risk:
I seen the NIH mentioned on that "report" but not much of his name. being over the pond he may get away whit it because they just forget about it, not like over here where resigning for groping a bin man or same other sort of civil servant is just the ticket
IMO definitive proof would be the blood test samples taken in November 2019 from those, now parking spaces for bicycles, 3 researchers from the lab that where hill whit a pneumonia like flu
WTF is all that about the game and such ???????????? have I miss the chance for a nice tin hat?
there has been some interesting work done on the plague and it may well have been a virus, probably from Africa.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184-000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death/
Fascinating read Grant - thanks for the link.
Bksabath
05-08-2021, 08:29
Just got my test results
I test positive for either having had the Fauci virus or immunization due to the vaccine
I can chill out now knowing that most probably I am not going to die of it
I can still pass it on as the vaccine does zips in regard to the viral load
£50 for peace of mind do me, knowing that I was not randomized and given a fake vaccine as part of a secret experiment :lol: priceless
I'm sure we all do; if it can be done of course without starting ww3.[/B] if it was the chinese then expect a deadlier one soon as they have then proved it works..
one of course hopes not but it depends on if it was an accident or deliberate??
Indeed, but short of that, NO stone should be left unturned, in terms of determining WHAT or WHO caused this bloody thing!
So far, 4.5 million people have died because of Covid, not including all manner of untold associated misery for millions more, so the cause simply can't just be brushed under the carpet - it needs thoroughly and intensely investigated, with some badly needed answers found to many pertinent questions [including justice done for its victims], with most importantly steps taken to ensure that it's unlikely to ever happen again!
Marco.
Down now to 119: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/, but crucially also a significant decrease in hospitalisations, down to 668, from a previous 900-odd, and positive tests are still dropping sharply.
Let's hope these trends continue and we can reduce this thing to the status of a minor inconvenience by Xmas!:)
Down now to 86 (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/) , which for me is significant, as if the virus was more actively virulent, the trend would be for deaths and hospitalisations to be on the increase daily. The latter still seems to be on the wane and generally showing a downward trend.
Currently, the only significant increase in numbers is weekly, on Tuesdays, with the expected catch up on data over the weekend, with Monday's stats always being artificially low, to reflect that. So let's hope that this encouraging trend continues!:cool:
Marco.
Bksabath
05-08-2021, 18:47
Indeed, but short of that, NO stone should be left unturned, in terms of determining WHAT or WHO caused this bloody thing!
So far, 4.5 million people have died because of Covid, not including all manner of untold associated misery for millions more, so the cause simply can't just be brushed under the carpet - it needs thoroughly and intensely investigated, with some badly needed answers found to many pertinent questions [including justice done for its victims], with most importantly steps taken to ensure that it's unlikely to ever happen again!
Marco.
100% whit this
As I posted a while ago I have cancelled any orders I was placing in china and do my best to get stuff from other places pretty tough I would rather pay a bit more to get stuff from the UK but we do not do much even companies like MEGA are shut Mega-UK - Home (megauk.com) (http://www.megauk.com/)
Row as PM says Thatcher gave UK 'early start' in climate change fight by closing coal mines (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/row-as-pm-says-thatcher-gave-uk-early-start-in-climate-change-fight-by-closing-coal-mines/ar-AAMZ2Io?ocid=msedgntp)
How we get rid of this idiot?
Clearly he does not have a clue as added to the demand for coal we had to import the stuff!
there has been some interesting work done on the plague and it may well have been a virus, probably from Africa.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184-000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death/
The article was written 20 years ago and in essence doesn't contradict what I wrote, save that "China" might have been either present day Kazakhstan or Mongolia.
Bksabath
06-08-2021, 06:07
SARS-like WIV1-CoV poised for human emergence | PNAS (https://www.pnas.org/content/113/11/3048?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_a6eb105688585e6c7ee9c 525a6ce515f41a3295f-1628229559-0-gqNtZGzNAeKjcnBszQi6)
The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV highlights the continued risk of cross-species transmission leading to epidemic disease. This manuscript describes efforts to extend surveillance beyond sequence analysis, constructing chimeric and full-length zoonotic coronaviruses to evaluate emergence potential. Focusing on SARS-like virus sequences isolated from Chinese horseshoe bats, the results indicate a significant threat posed by WIV1-CoV. Both full-length and chimeric WIV1-CoV readily replicated efficiently in human airway cultures and in vivo, suggesting capability of direct transmission to humans. In addition, while monoclonal antibody treatments prove effective, the SARS-based vaccine approach failed to confer protection. Together, the study indicates an ongoing threat posed by WIV1-related viruses and the need for continued study and surveillance.
Fauci in 2012 Video: Gain-of-Function Experiments ‘a Clear Benefit’ to Society • Children's Health Defense (childrenshealthdefense.org) (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fauci-2012-video-gain-of-function-experiments-benefit-society/)
Fauci Lied To Congress About Gain-of-Function Research - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-2kGhQ5WWo) skip to 02:10
Abstract
Up slightly to 92, but still remaining below the 100 threshold, and with hospitalisations still on the decline: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
Up again very slightly to 103, so still hovering around the 100-mark, in terms of deaths, with the general trend is for hospitalisations to be on the decrease: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
Way down to 39 now, but that's to be expected over the weekend: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
hifi_dave
09-08-2021, 16:25
Can't go on figures over the weekend for some reason. Expect it will be much higher tomorrow.
37 today, Dave: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
But yes. I'd expect the usual 'Tuesday hike' tomorrow, probably as before to around the 130s mark.
After Friday, I don't think the data is properly collated again until Tuesday, which of course won't record the deaths over the weekend and Monday, until the Tuesday:)
All seems pretty much under control though, with hospital admissions down 16% since the same time last week, although with a very small rise in positive tests.
Marco.
none last 2 days up here, but there are no reports at weekend here usually.. the pos hit rate is about 6.5% currently and infection spread rate is below 1 currently. my area id down a little as we were up to 4th.. now 9th
Usual Tuesday hike takes it to 146, although hospitalisations are still down: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
As expected after the usual Tuesday hike, it's back down again, this time to 104. I don't think it's ever gone above 200 in the whole of this wave, and hospitalisations are still on a downward trend, so at this point in time things seem well under control:)
Marco.
Deaths up here are 10/11 but infections are up.
hifi_dave
12-08-2021, 15:13
Infections announced by the BBC appear to be increasing by approx 1K per day.
up a bit in scotland again. 1500 or so.. 8 deaths too. e lothian seems to be current hotspot. my area was up at 4th for a good while but we are down to 14th thankfully.
Infections announced by the BBC appear to be increasing by approx 1K per day.
Forget about infections and cases (as unless they turn into something serious, are largely insignificant), and concentrate instead on DEATH STATS and HOSPITALISATIONS... Down again to 94, as are hospitalisations: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Focus on the POSITIVES, folks!!:)
Marco.
hifi_dave
13-08-2021, 09:42
The greater the cases, the more I worry. As someone with no immunity, I rely on there being few people around to pass it on to me.
Stryder5
13-08-2021, 13:28
The more people I see with masks, as another of the blessed with no immune system, the more I see people transferring anything that may have collected on their masks, onto their hands and then anything they subsequently touch.
Gary
The greater the cases, the more I worry. As someone with no immunity, I rely on there being few people around to pass it on to me.
I totally get that, Dave, and sympathise. The question is though, how long will you continue to worry, to the extent that it's controlling your life and stopping you from living life normally? Infection rates could continue to be high(ish) for a long time yet, vaccines or no vaccines, until the pandemic eventually peters out.
So yes, cocooning yourself from society may help keep you alive (if you really feel threatened by being exposed to this virus), but in the process are you really LIVING or merely existing - and are you happy settling for a rather dull existence as your future...?
That's not a 'life' worth living mate, certainly in my view anyway.
Marco,
The more people I see with masks, as another of the blessed with no immune system, the more I see people transferring anything that may have collected on their masks, onto their hands and then anything they subsequently touch.
Gary
Good point, Gary:)
Anyway, in terms of the daily update, we're still hovering around the 100 mark, with hospitalisations continuing on a downward trend: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Marco.
hifi_dave
13-08-2021, 16:31
I totally get that, Dave, and sympathise. The question is though, how long will you continue to worry, to the extent that it's controlling your life and stopping you from living life normally? Infection rates could continue to be high(ish) for a long time yet, vaccines or no vaccines, until the pandemic eventually peters out.
So yes, cocooning yourself from society may help keep you alive (if you really feel threatened by being exposed to this virus), but in the process are you really LIVING or merely existing - and are you happy settling for a rather dull existence as your future...?
Marco,
I'm afraid that it's a dull existence for millions in the UK or die from Covid. Hopefully, the new cases will reduce to a handful and then I can relax a bit but for now, it's a case of keeping clear of other people, especially in enclosed spaces or die in a most horrible way.
I'm not locked away by any means, we still see Family, as we did at the weekend and go for meals out but I need to feel comfortable that there are not lots of people and there is ventilation. One mistake and that's it.
indeed dave im still being mighty careful; i cant help it for now. 1 in 75 in england had covid last week. wales was 1 in 200, so big difference.
ive only got into a little shop 3 times so far; only 1 went well. 1 was iffy and 1 was a disaster. i will continue to try a bit at a time and when im ready, but im quite aware that un like you i am now a bit institutionalised, in that im not yet comfortable outwith people i know, big alas. it stems as much from having given up so much for so long, i dont want to cock it up when we are, hopefully getting closer to beating it.
Fair enough, I hear you. Neither Del or I could cope with that though, especially Del, as she has too much of an active social life, and we like to get out and about, and so become bored with our immediate environment if we're forced to say in it for too long.
I guess it boils down to the life that you were using to living, pre-pandemic, and in that respect a lot of folks who rarely went far then are finding not being able to do so now, for the reasons you've given, no major hardship, but that's fundamentally not us!:)
Anyway, I respect your decision, so take care and stay safe - and hopefully things will get much better for you soon:cool:
Marco.
Fair enough, I hear you. Neither Del or I could cope with that though, especially Del, as she has too much of an active social life, and we like to get out and about, and so become bored with our immediate environment if we're forced to say in it for too long.
I guess it boils down to the life that you were using to living, pre-pandemic, and in that respect a lot of folks who rarely went far then are finding not being able to do so now, for the reasons you've given, no major hardship, but that's fundamentally not us!:)
Anyway, I respect your decision, so take care and stay safe - and hopefully things will get much better for you soon:cool:
Marco.
well i miss going to shops but its not that big a miss. i miss not seeing folk more as im not used to that. currently ive nowhere much to go at moment but if i had i would go if it was not amongst strangers in a busy place like a pub or shop indoors.
i want it a bit lower still before i can contemplate that.
i would visit may kids or mates tho. if it doesnt get much better than this tho in the future, then i will have to make a decision ...
but i agree, some of my issues are now in my mind; im not stupid:D just a bam;)
Yup, sure mate. I totally get that. It's different for us, as we love going out to pubs/restaurants, the cinema, music gigs, days out to the country and/or coast, etc, as well as shopping physically in stores/farm shops for food provisions - and of course Del's got so many pals she loves socialising with/having girly nights out, etc.
So, much depends on how old you are, too. If you're an OAP, on your own, or perhaps with your wife or partner, you're going to be able to adjust to being stuck at home much more than someone half your age, or less, with an active social life and a desire to have FUN:)
Marco.
Yup, sure mate. I totally get that. It's different for us, as we love going out to pubs/restaurants, the cinema, music gigs, days out to the country and/or coast, etc, as well as shopping physically in stores/farm shops for food provisions - and of course Del's got so many pals she loves socialising with/having girly nights out, etc.
So, much depends on how old you are, too. If you're an OAP, on your own, or perhaps with your wife or partner, you're going to be able to adjust to being stuck at home much more than someone half your age, or less, with an active social life and a desire to have FUN:)
Marco.
sure and your both healthy and youngish so less likely to be badly affected, although i know del was for a while ... but it would likely kill dave or me.
ive few friends now and few family anyway lol.
so enjoy yourselves while you can, and enjoy your meal tomorrow.:)
Cheers, mate. Will do:)
Marco.
Good weather yesterday evening - cycled to pub with a mate, had a couple of games of boule, several beers and excellent craic. Felt like things are returning to normal.
Feel a bit shit this morning though, I wonder if it is Covid :scratch: :lol:
maybe not used to the fresh air..... wont be the alcohol surely:lol:
Pigmy Pony
14-08-2021, 12:48
Good weather yesterday evening - cycled to pub with a mate, had a couple of games of boule, several beers and excellent craic. Felt like things are returning to normal.
Feel a bit shit this morning though, I wonder if it is Covid :scratch: :lol:
A rather unfortunate name for a craft beer...
https://i.postimg.cc/VknHcFRw/EPW1-CEf-Wk-AE-Mw2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
hifi_dave
14-08-2021, 14:24
Yup, sure mate. I totally get that. It's different for us, as we love going out to pubs/restaurants, the cinema, music gigs, days out to the country and/or coast, etc, as well as shopping physically in stores/farm shops for food provisions - and of course Del's got so many pals she loves socialising with/having girly nights out, etc.
So, much depends on how old you are, too. If you're an OAP, on your own, or perhaps with your wife or partner, you're going to be able to adjust to being stuck at home much more than someone half your age, or less, with an active social life and a desire to have FUN:)
Marco.
Before Covid we did all that and more but with no immune system to speak of, life has changed dramatically for me and millions of other folk. My Wife is double jabbed and please God, is safe but there is the chance she can bring it home to me and I don't get a second chance.
We do as much as we possibly can now in the way of takeaways, some meals out, family days, travelling a bit, walking and shopping but there are things I can't ever imagine doing again such as going on a plane or a train. I also still do demos for customers - socially distanced, masks and with ventilation, so life is almost back to normal but will never be as it was pre Covid until the cases drop to a handful per day.
No worries, Dave. Totally get that:)
Anyway, I missed yesterday's update and noticed that deaths had dropped to 93, but hospitalisations had increased by 106, to 880, along with an increase in positive tests.
Today's situation: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Usual decrease in deaths over the weekend, although a little higher than usual at 61, which is up 34 on last weekend, with infection rates and hospitalisations still indicating an upward trend.
Still nothing too serious, as such, considering that we're still in the middle of a pandemic. However, Tuesday's stats will indicate whether the general upward trends, as outlined, are a sign of something more serious or not.
Marco.
Bksabath
16-08-2021, 08:54
‘Strange series of events’ led to COVID-19 lab leak theory being branded ‘conspiracy’ - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-X01PYdOI)
93 to many
Pfizer Vaccine Lobbyist Gary Peters Blocks Fauci Email Release - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9EShOzNJE8)
DR. FAUCI’s Leaked Emails Insinuate That COVID-19 Is a MAN MADE VIRUS - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8DGT-1J6-8)
Usual low readings for some of the stats over the weekend and yesterday, with deaths down to 26: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ however, infections and hospitalisations are still slightly on the rise.
It'll be interesting to see what today's stats are, which will take into account the lag in data over the weekend.
Marco.
scottish cases up, and deaths up..:rolleyes: over 10% of tests positive
Well. we know it's not over yet, don't we? Unless anyone was under any other illusions?;) The point is, while the virus is still with us in a significant way (in terms of new infections), then it follows that there's subsequently going to be more hospitalisations and deaths - that's the simple logic!:)
However... As long as the situation remains in control, by which I mean we don't start seeing the latter reaching the type of figures we saw before when there were 3500 hospitalisations per day, and up to 800 deaths, then it's not a major problem. And by 'major problem' I mean there being any danger of lockdowns or the pandemic spiraling out of control.
Interestingly, in that respect, the usual 'Tuesday hike', hasn't resulted in as bad stats as I'd expected: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Yes, deaths are up to 170, but they haven't tipped over the 200 mark since this '3rd wave' started.
I think death stats peaked at 185 or so, and I'd expect today's 170 to come down again tomorrow, as normally happens, showing that the situation is largely under control. This is also indicated by the stats for hospitalisations, which although up, are still well under the 880 we had at the time the 185 deaths were recorded.
Even daily infection rates, having peaked at around 32,000, during this 'wave', are continuing to hover now around the 27,000 mark, and show no signs yet of any major increases, simply small blips, up then down, repeatedly.
Therefore, the reality is, although there is currently an upwards trend in all key figures, things are levelling off after a series of weekly 'ups and downs'. The cycle has been fairly low figures from Friday to Monday, a spike on Tuesdays (when data recorded over the weekend refreshes), then a small downturn and levelling off of the figures until the Friday, with the same trend repeated, week on week.
Only if that cycle is broken, and on any given Tuesday we start seeing 300-400 deaths or more, with everything else going up at a similar rate, should there be any real cause for concern. So..... Whilst there are still naturally causes for concern, as indeed there are during any pandemic, we should keep things in perspective!:cool:
Marco.
wed up here has had a large hike again. deaths again at around 10, but cases up by a thousand. n wales is highish too i see. not silly high but it all becomes worrying for people with potentially poor survival rates.
and thats why we look at infection rates. its not high in general for most folk who are protected but people like Dave especially are much more at risk.. me too to an extent.
im not saying , panic tho :)
Yeah, sure, I agree with all of that. Good to see in today's stats that deaths have reduced to 111: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ although infections and hospitalisations are up again, so as I predicted, thankfully yesterday's spike in deaths has been built upon.
I think what all this shows is that the vaccines are effective and doing their job, otherwise the deaths would've risen exponentially with the increased infections and hospitalisations. However let's remember that the whole of the UK has now opened up with almost no restrictions, except for mask wearing outside of England in some indoor spaces.
Therefore, considering that's the case, things could've been much worse, which indeed many had predicted when restrictions were lifted, so if this is as bad as it gets, or close to that, before things start going the other way in the direction we want, then it's cause for cautious optimism:)
Anyway, let's see what tomorrow brings.
Marco.
Interesting: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/pfizer-vaccine-effectiveness-declines-faster-than-astra-zeneca-study-082950302.html
Marco.
the delta variant is the biggest problem as its easier for it to infect even innoculated folk. it sheds more light on things and its also clear the repeated vaccinations of astra wont work. pfizer will tho so it may be the future one along with newer ones to come
Yup, hence one of the reasons why I've been in no hurry to have one. Aside from anything else, I wanted to wait until they'd found the one that's most effective (and also safest). Therefore, I'll make my decision on that sometime next year before we go anywhere abroad:)
Marco.
Still an upwards trend in all key areas, particularly new infections: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ although still nothing major. We're seeing a slight spike though, so it'll be interesting to see the extent of it in the coming days, and particularly where things stand come next Tuesday.
Marco.
yup scotlands cases up to 3.5k . an increase of a thousand, but rate is 9% suggesting an awful lot of extra tests done. do more tests, find more cases its simple as the reported cases are just a 'known' portion. deaths were under 10. which represents a uk of under 100 to equal out populaton.
This is interesting: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/uk-regulator-approves-first-drug-072752479.html
Marco.
This is interesting: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/uk-regulator-approves-first-drug-072752479.html
Marco.
think ive read about this elsewhere.. its expensive so will only be used on a few ; ie top tories:eyebrows:
Lol - perhaps for the moment, but if successful I'd expect it to be rolled out for general use in due course.
Marco.
hifi_dave
20-08-2021, 15:04
This is interesting: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/uk-regulator-approves-first-drug-072752479.html
Marco.
This is one of the drugs that Trump was castigated for promoting.
This is one of the drugs that Trump was castigated for promoting.
it was one that was used on him yes, but there was not any evidence of it working until they changed the way they used it apparently.
Mmm...Sounds a bit fishy to me. Squirt a bit of bleach in, and you'll be fine;)
Anyway, today's update: all stats hovering around the same level, with slight increases in infections and hospitalisations: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
The good news (so far) is that although there's been a general increase in all stats recently, things aren't getting out of control.
Marco.
This is also interesting: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/majority-under-50s-hospital-died-103147016.html
Good news, I guess, if you believe that the vaccines are what will ultimately win the day and get things under control:)
Marco.
Anyway, the 'good news' is that if it were mainly the vaccinated who were being hospitalised or dying, it wouldn't say much for the vaccines!
Marco.
Bksabath
21-08-2021, 03:32
Scientists created false narrative over suspected Covid leak from Wuhan lab, say experts (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/scientists-created-false-narrative-over-suspected-covid-leak-from-wuhan-lab-say-experts/ar-AANykyN?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531)
Broadcast 10:15 on Sunday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58270098
some interesting thoughts on our possible future with the disease
mad-moon
21-08-2021, 17:18
Mmm...Sounds a bit fishy to me. Squirt a bit of bleach in, and you'll be fine;)
Anyway, today's update: all stats hovering around the same level, with slight increases in infections and hospitalisations: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
The good news (so far) is that although there's been a general increase in all stats recently, things are getting out of control.
Marco.
:scratch::scratch::scratch:
Lol - what's not to understand, Alan? Things aren't getting out of control, as they were during previous 'waves', where there were 3500 hostpitalisations everyday and up 800 deaths.
Today there were 948 and 104, respectively. See here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Yes, still too high, so we're far from over this yet, but not out of control, so for now at least, that's good news:)
Marco.
Stryder5
21-08-2021, 19:36
Did you miss the “not” out of this?
The good news (so far) is that although there's been a general increase in all stats recently, things are getting out of control.
Gary
Lol - what's not to understand, Alan? Things aren't getting out of control, as they were during previous 'waves', where there were 3500 hostpitalisations everyday and up 800 deaths.
Today there were 948 and 104, respectively. See here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Yes, still too high, so we're far from over this yet, but not out of control, so for now at least, that's good news:)
Marco.
Sorry, Gary, I don't see things as having got out of control. We're still in the middle of a pandemic, so sometimes there's bound to be increases in infections and hospitalisations. That's normal. Therefore, "good news", as in we're not anywhere near where we were in January or February, in terms of hospitalisations or deaths.
Yes, at the moment things are increasing, **due to restrictions on mask wearing, etc, having been lifted almost throughout the UK** (so what did you expect to happen?) but that's quite a different matter from them being out of control. This, or a slight further increase in stats, could be as bad as things get this time round, before we start seeing a downward trend.
Therefore, let's see where we are, in say a months time, before we jump to any conclusions.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
21-08-2021, 22:06
Sorry, Gary, I don't see things as having got out of control. We're still in the middle of a pandemic, so sometimes there's bound to be increases in infections and hospitalisations. That's normal. Therefore, "good news", as in we're not anywhere near where we were in January or February, in terms of hospitalisations or deaths.
Yes, at the moment things are increasing, **due to restrictions on mask wearing, etc, having been lifted almost throughout the UK** (so what did you expect to happen?) but that's quite a different matter from them being out of control. This, or a slight further increase in stats, could be as bad as things get this time round, before we start seeing a downward trend.
Therefore, let's see where we are, in say a months time, before we jump to any conclusions.
Marco.
I think Alan and Gary were replying to your original post about this, before you edited your mistake, and not necessarily disputing what you meant to write. Simple as that :) :)
Yup, Steve, sure... My position on the matter was really made crystal clear here, 4 days ago: https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?68302-Johns-Hopkins-Medical-Centre-World-Coronavirus-infection-Map-by-Country&p=1286551#post1286551
There were 185 deaths a week ago. Today (albeit being a weekend) we had 104. Around the same time last week, there were 27,000-odd new infections. Today there were 32,000. A notable rise, yes, but it's nowhere near a situation that's out of control.
As I've said, we have to remember that we've had over a month now of restrictions, in terms of mask wearing, social distancing etc, being lifted in most parts of the UK, so that was always likely to result in a rise in infections, and with it, hospitalisations for the more vulnerable, particularly the non-vaccinated, which as shown in a previous link, are among the majority who've sadly died.
Therefore, as we ride this wave of the Delta variant, and more people become vaccinated, infection rates (and subsequent hospitalisations) should start to fall, and less people will die - BUT it may take a month or so to happen, with things getting worse before they get better!:)
Marco.
Interesting stats today: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Deaths way down, but I'm pretty sure artificially so, due to the usual weekend lag on data, so we'll see what that looks like tomorrow, and in particular, Tuesday. New infections are still hovering around the 32k mark, but hospitalisations are markedly up, even for a Sunday...
Still no sign of things getting out of control, particularly in terms of new infections and deaths, but with hospitalisations increasing, it could be the case that the un-vaccinated and/or most vulnerable are paying the price for the current prominence of the virus.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
22-08-2021, 18:06
Interesting stats today: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Deaths way down, but I'm pretty sure artificially so, due to the usual weekend lag on data, so we'll see what that looks like tomorrow, and in particular, Tuesday. New infections are still hovering around the 32k mark, but the hospitalisations are markedly up, even on a Sunday...
Still no sign of things getting out of control, particularly in terms of new infections and deaths, but with hospitalisations increasing, it could be the case that the un-vaccinated and/or most vulnerable are paying the price for the prominence of the virus currently.
Marco.
Tuesday stats would be a good yardstick for the country's status. Any more frequent just confuses matters imo, and is akin to going on a diet and monitoring progress with hourly weigh ins.
Sure, but it's still a good indicator of the general trend, which is often reflected in the stats on Tuesdays:)
Marco.
no deaths info up here as per usual. slightly less cases but no info on % so its pointless looking at figures if you dont know how many they did.
its still rising in general here tho. hospital intakes arent going up buy many but deaths may be affecting the numbers. this is one of the issues with the figures as we dont know who died; how old, what situation; care home, hospital etc.
its all kept too hush, hush. . almost certainly deliberate
3100+ cases.. no deaths reported so far.. but 12.4% of tests + which is high; very high. most are in the west of country and may be linked with football, i dont know.
im keeping my head down for now :eyebrows: no point in taking risks
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8AA3/production/_120219453_464c11b3-7183-41b6-97a9-a09f0377afd8.png
vax take up is fairly high too
Pretty similar stats to yesterday: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
The 'real deal' will be revealed tomorrow.
Marco.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/12631/production/_120231357_bbcpostcardpress.jpg
getting worse here instead of better.
Sturgeon said that about half of all new cases were in people under the age of 25 with 34% of Tuesday's tally in the under 19s. as much as that helps, it still means there is far too much of the virus around at moment
Lol - you're still focussing (in my opinion too much) on infections. Yes I know why, and I do understand:) In contrast, overall here in Wales there were 1383 new cases/infections and 0 deaths. Quite different from Scotland, and the picture in North Wales is substantially better. You need to come down here, mate;)
However, the bigger picture (and the UK-wide perspective is this (as of today): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
So, taking into consideration the usual 'Tuesday hike', there have been 30,838 reported new positive cases/infections [last week at this time there were 32,775], 858 hospitalisations [last week there were 948], and 174 deaths [last week there were 183].
Therefore, countrywide, the situation (for the moment anyway) is NOT getting out of control. Indeed based on the above figures, it appears (although it's way too early yet to say for sure) that things are on the wane.
However, what I suspect will occur is for those figures to largely stay the same (with small ups and downs each week, as indeed has been happening for a while now), until the effect of the recent removal of restrictions wears off and stabilises, which could take some time yet, after which we'll start to see a sharp fall in the numbers, especially as more younger people are vaccinated.
Plus, when the holiday season is over, and folks stay at home more and mingle less with others, that should also help!
Therefore, for the moment anyway, reasons to be optimistic. In that respect, let's see where we are tomorrow and during the coming week - and most importantly how things stand next Tuesday:cool:
Marco.
yeah cornwall is a bit mad too.. its out there in numbers so if i rub soulders with folk, especially youngish ones then ive a fair chance of getting it. my astra vax isnt as good as the others with delta.
so excuse me if i worry for my safety.. yes wales looks much safer. if things were fine with dad then i would no doubt be down faster than you could say princess wants:D
walpurgis
24-08-2021, 16:40
yeah cornwall is a bit mad too.
Taken there by holidaymakers no doubt. Other popular areas are affected too, as shown on the Govt interactive site.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/cases
Taken there by holidaymakers no doubt. Other popular areas are affected too, as shown on the Govt interactive site.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/cases
yup, all going to a few popular areas alas thus getting too busy. also a music festival i think caused a lot.
yeah cornwall is a bit mad too.. its out there in numbers so if i rub soulders with folk, especially youngish ones then ive a fair chance of getting it. my astra vax isnt as good as the others with delta.
so excuse me if i worry for my safety.. yes wales looks much safer. if things were fine with dad then i would no doubt be down faster than you could say princess wants:D
Lol, I know, and of course totally understand.
Marco.
Taken there by holidaymakers no doubt. Other popular areas are affected too, as shown on the Govt interactive site.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/cases
Yups, but that'll tail off after the holidays:)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
24-08-2021, 16:58
yup, all going to a few popular areas alas thus getting too busy. also a music festival i think caused a lot.
I think that would be Newquay's annual "Boardfest". IME personal hygiene is pretty low on the festival goers' list of priorities, and toilets are invariably minging.
yup, all going to a few popular areas alas thus getting too busy. also a music festival i think caused a lot.
We're going to this next Monday with some friends: https://shrewsburyfolkfestival.co.uk/
Got to keep the princess entertained, lol. No, we're both looking forward to it, as we haven't been to gigs, of any description, since all this pish kicked off.
:gig::gig:
Marco.
I think that would be Newquay's annual "Boardfest". IME personal hygiene is pretty low on the festival goers' list of priorities, and toilets are invariably minging.
yeah, i worked on building sites and the bogs were a disgrace. now i only go to places that have quality toilets etc. a festival? no bloody chance
We're going to this next Monday with some friends: https://shrewsburyfolkfestival.co.uk/
Got to keep the princess entertained, lol. No, we're both looking forward to it, as we haven't been to gigs, of any description, since all this pish kicked off.
:gig::gig:
Marco.
crikey Lindisfarne are still going.
crikey Lindisfarne are still going.
all around their flat cap these days;)
Stryder5
24-08-2021, 18:20
all around their flat cap these days;)
Steeleye Span 1975, Maddy Prior on vocals.
Gary
hifi_dave
25-08-2021, 14:22
At least two of the concerts held recently have been super spreading events. One of them took no precautions at all and accepted everyone who 'said' they were safe.
a new high for us up here... A total of 5,021 new cases of the virus were reported on Wednesday, a record high for the second day running.
That was up from 4,323 in the previous 24 hours - although the rate of positive results being returned was down from 14.5% to 11%.
5 new deaths.
Scotland's defo seeing a spike mate, like you say, especially in the west. I'm sure it'll peter out soon enough, though:)
Today's scene elsewhere: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Deaths are down to 149 (from yesterday's 174). Hospitalisations are up 1 to 859, but new infections are up to 35,847 (from yesterday's 30,838). Therefore, infections are clearly on the rise throughout the UK. Even in Wales they're up to 1705 (from yesterday's 1383), with 4 reported deaths.
I'm sure that the surge is down to some of the reasons mentioned, and so will reduce in due course. As I said, we're in the middle of an up and down cycle, so simply have to wait until things level off and start on a downward trend.
The good news is that, so far, the surge in new infections isn't having a massive impact on hospitalisations or deaths, and which means that things are still under control. However, we all want to see infection rates reducing as soon as possible.
Marco.
mad-moon
26-08-2021, 07:57
Lol - what's not to understand, Alan? Things aren't getting out of control, as they were during previous 'waves', where there were 3500 hostpitalisations everyday and up 800 deaths.
Today there were 948 and 104, respectively. See here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Yes, still too high, so we're far from over this yet, but not out of control, so for now at least, that's good news:)
Marco.
Read what you wrote again Marco.....you said "are getting out of control" instead of aren't....;)...but I see you have edited your original post...:lol:
Yup, 'twas a small (but increasingly in my dotage) frequent brainfart!:D
Marco.
mad-moon
26-08-2021, 08:12
Did you miss the “not” out of this?
The good news (so far) is that although there's been a general increase in all stats recently, things are getting out of control.
Gary
ha...you spotted it too Gary...I should have guessed it was aren't and not are...or perhaps as you say..the word not inserted between are..and getting...Personally, I think the young ones, are out of control..the majority of them don't give a flying fuck. They are lunatics. Night clubbing, raves, big parties, huge gatherings..yesterday, at South Shields, there was thousands of people on the beach, packed, like sardines...:mental:
mad-moon
26-08-2021, 08:20
Yup, 'twas a small (but increasingly in my dotage) frequent brainfart!:D
Marco.
Probabaly plus the fact, with all the replys you are typing...a wee brainfart, is inevitable ...:D
Bksabath
26-08-2021, 11:41
ha...you spotted it too Gary...I should have guessed it was aren't and not are...or perhaps as you say..the word not inserted between are..and getting...Personally, I think the young ones, are out of control..the majority of them don't give a flying fuck. They are lunatics. Night clubbing, raves, big parties, huge gatherings..yesterday, at South Shields, there was thousands of people on the beach, packed, like sardines...:mental:
Yes I remember the times when "we where 16 and where immortal"
The fact that the government, like Pilato, washed it's hands of it by telling all that we have to be sensible about it does not help
Over 100 or whatever deaths daily is just routine news and get much less air time than a crash on the motorway or same far away shooting
A single death from Covid is one to many
People in Liverpool issued with a warning from public health boss (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsliverpool/people-in-liverpool-issued-with-a-warning-from-public-health-boss/ar-AANLoj1?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531)
Another boffin telling you to get the vaccine, fair enough, but clearly the vaccine does not work as it has been proven in stopping the spread, gogle up Vaccinated people viral load, but again and again no one is telling you to look after yourself by taking vitamins to boost the immune system The MHRA approves another really expensive drug for the treatment whit far less evidence than that of things like Ivermectin
If you think that we are't fukkered try to get an appointment whit a doctor for things like hi blood pressure for example
Yes 'The Government' with a wave of its magic wand could solve all our problems. The only reason they don't is because they're bastards.
They could adopt a policy of taking action to stop all preventable deaths by any cause. It would mean bringing the world to a halt and everyone stopping alone in their bedrooms forever. Even then some people will still manage die by some avoidable manner, electrocuting themselves or starting a fire or something.
Taken to its logical conclusion it makes no sense whatsoever. Life is full of risks, we take our chances.
Bksabath
26-08-2021, 14:50
Not good enough Macca
I count on retiring and getting back what I payed for for a long long time
I have taken plenty of chances and it was my choice to do silly thing's from jumping from perfectly safe planes going spear fishing when it is really dark or riding a widow maker ( the K triple) or working for the Italian Mafia not counting playing whit electricity day in and out or working 40 meters of the ground and having loads of pussy since a tender age.
I know pretty well how to shift the odds and so far I been lucky and if I go I want to go whit a pretty loud bang
Is not only the Fauci virus and the current situation that worries me I just came back from a Trashco petrol pump Diesel at over £1.34 a litre FFS
And It worries me Martin not because of the "bastards" and so on but because of the attitude, man up and keep calm, you seems to say...
Not good enough Macca
I count on retiring and getting back what I payed for for a long long time
I have taken plenty of chances and it was my choice to do silly thing's from jumping from perfectly safe planes going spear fishing when it is really dark or riding a widow maker ( the K triple) or working for the Italian Mafia not counting playing whit electricity day in and out or working 40 meters of the ground and having loads of pussy since a tender age.
I know pretty well how to shift the odds and so far I been lucky and if I go I want to go whit a pretty loud bang
Is not only the Fauci virus and the current situation that worries me I just came back from a Trashco petrol pump Diesel at over £1.34 a litre FFS
And It worries me Martin not because of the "bastards" and so on but because of the attitude, man up and keep calm, you seems to say...
Pretty much. I don't see the point of worrying about anything I have no control over. I never watch the news, I pretty much avoid all news media. There's nothing you can do with the information they provide, most of which is probably inaccurate anyway. It's a strategy I highly recommend.
One of my neighbours has all sorts of immediate problems in his life and yet he gets really angry about Putin. It's not a healthy way to be.
mad-moon
26-08-2021, 15:48
Fuck the world...because if you don't..It will fuck you..;)
Fuck the world...because if you don't..It will fuck you..;)
Many years ago I used to regularly buy "Private Eye" - very funny in parts, but the insights in to self serving corrupt bastards in power used to really annoy me. I used to get angry about a system, and abusers, over which I had no control.
Gave up my subscription and found a far more pleasant way of living :)
scotland
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1199F/production/_120259027_postcard26aug-nc.jpg
deaths up
State of play today... https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Deaths and hospitalisations down again to 140 and 818 respectively (from previously 149 and 859). However, as expected, new cases/infections are continuing to rise, which I suspect will be the case (no pun intended) for a while to come, and rising to 38,281 (the highest since Feb) from yesterday's 35,847.
We'll see what tomorrow brings, but I'd expect much of the same. As Sandro says though, it does ably highlight how being vaccinated does next to fook all, in terms of stopping the SPREAD of the virus, which of course makes a mockery out of the efficacy of 'vaccine passports', or any other nonsense of that ilk, doing anything to protect the vaccinated from the non-vaccinated:mental:
Thank goodness they were largely defeated by people power, as they were really only about discrimination and control!
However, the flip side is that vaccines seem to be stopping people from dying and/or becoming hospitalised, as whatever way you cut it, considering the prevalence of the virus currently among the population, it's not making many people seriously ill, which of course is a good thing.
That said, and indeed as Sandro correctly states, there are many other things you can do, *on top of* being vaccinated (as outlined - basically eating healthily and boosting your immune system with the required vitamins), to help you be more resilient to Covid-19, which of course the fat cats make fuck all money from!:doh:;)
More tomorrow:cool:
Marco.
scotland
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1199F/production/_120259027_postcard26aug-nc.jpg
deaths up
New infections in Wales are also up from 1705 (yesterday) to today's 2389, but deaths are down from 4, to 1. Not sure about the stats in N. Ireland, but it seems like Wales (and especially North Wales) is currently the safest place to be in the UK;)
I wonder if that's got anything to do with face masks still being mandatory in many public places? Mmm...:hmm:
Marco.
New infections in Wales are also up from 1705 (yesterday) to today's 2389, but deaths are down from 4, to 1. Not sure about the stats in N. Ireland, but it seems like Wales (and especially North Wales) is currently the safest place to be in the UK;)
I wonder if that's got anything to do with face masks still being mandatory in many public places? Mmm...:hmm:
Marco.
yeah a lot safer than here i'd say.
Based on the reported stats mate, it seems to be. Has compulsory mask-wearing in public places been dropped in Scotland? I've not been following things that closely up there:)
Marco.
Based on the reported stats mate, it seems to be. Has compulsory mask-wearing in public places been dropped in Scotland? I've not been following things that closely up there:)
Marco.
yeah indoors like shops, transport etc its still needed.
Ah ok. so it's only in England it's been scrapped. I've certainly enjoyed not having to wear the fuckers, in shops, etc, whenever I've been in England:)
Marco.
Scotland has recorded a record number of daily Covid cases as the number surged above 6,000 for the first time.
A total of 6,835 new cases were reported on Friday - more than 1,800 above the previous highest figure.
This is the third time this week a new record has been set.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said the sharp rise was a "cause for concern" - but the Scottish government was not currently considering the introduction of a circuit breaker lockdown.
However, she stressed the importance of everyone "playing their part" in halting the spread of the virus.
depressing
Like I said mate, the rise in cases is largely due to it still being the holiday season, so folks (of all ages) are moving around and mingling more, thus spreading the virus. It'll die down after that, so say, around October, I'd expect to see the stats for new cases nosediving:)
State of play today elsewhere [yesterday's figures are shown below in brackets]: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Positive tests: 38,046 (38,281).
Deaths: 100 (140).
Hospitalisations: 948 (818).
So a slight rise in hospitalisations, which is undestandable, given the current prevalence of the virus, but unwelcome. However, deaths are down, as are new cases.
In Wales (yesterday's figures in brackets)...
New cases: 1791 (2389).
Deaths: 5 (0).
As I said, this 'rollercoaster' ride we're on, with the figures going up and down all the time, is what it's going to be like for a while. Massive difference though in the situation in Wales, compared with Scotland.
Marco.
our schools are back too which will be driving it a bit.
Yup that too, plus they're manky wee shites up there!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
27-08-2021, 17:45
Pretty much. I don't see the point of worrying about anything I have no control over. I never watch the news, I pretty much avoid all news media. There's nothing you can do with the information they provide, most of which is probably inaccurate anyway. It's a strategy I highly recommend.
One of my neighbours has all sorts of immediate problems in his life and yet he gets really angry about Putin. It's not a healthy way to be.
I too have lots of personal issues to contend with, but it's the pond at the bottom of your street that gives me sleepless nights. I only relax when you tell me it's dried up. Some of us are just born worriers.
Pigmy Pony
27-08-2021, 17:58
New infections in Wales are also up from 1705 (yesterday) to today's 2389, but deaths are down from 4, to 1. Not sure about the stats in N. Ireland, but it seems like Wales (and especially North Wales) is currently the safest place to be in the UK;)
I wonder if that's got anything to do with face masks still being mandatory in many public places? Mmm...:hmm:
Marco.
About as likely as England's increase in infections being attributed to folks from Wales coming over the border to cough their Covid all over the English shops :ner:
Seriously, I think it more likely to be due to Wales being largely empty. I'm betting that throughout this pandemic Wales has consistently had fewer cases per capita than has England, regardless of policy differences.
Lol.. Of course you're absolutely right, and as you know, I like 'empty', for all the reasons we've discussed'!:D
South Wales though, isn't anywhere near as empty as it is 'oop norf' or over t'wards West.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
27-08-2021, 18:59
Another reason may be that Wales has always practiced social distancing. Where the English may discuss things in huddled groups, Welsh folk prefer to sing to each other across the valleys.
I too have lots of personal issues to contend with...
Yes, but we don't like to mention them:D
Marco.
Bksabath
28-08-2021, 06:49
Watch this at 9 minutes in
All questions Covid with Dr. Al Johnson and Dr. Peter McCullough - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBC-JX6lsg)
CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.pdf (aapsonline.org) (https://aapsonline.org/CovidPatientTreatmentGuide.pdf)
skip to page 16 and page 22 prophylaxis
How many could still be around if this was in the Main stream media?
If you are one of those whit Immune deficiency problems the vaccine does not work
If this does not sink in and you still think that WHO CDC and MHRA have your best interest in mind then the deficiency is much more severe in Italian one would say " tu sei un defficente" :)
Bksabath
28-08-2021, 07:17
Flattening the Risk: Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis for COVID-19 | IDR (dovepress.com) (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280)
Hydroxychloroquine PrEPWhere can we find a prophylactic treatment that is easy to use, inexpensive and already available? One answer lies in a medication that has generated significant controversy so far in the pandemic: hydroxychloroquine (HCQ). This medication has been used in combination with azithromycin for treatment of established SARS-CoV-2 infection, with variable results.20 (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280#cit0020),21 (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280#cit0021) There has been concern about cardiac and retinal toxicity with high-dose HCQ, especially because azithromycin increases blood levels of the medication.22 (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280#cit0022),23 (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280#cit0023) Furthermore, shortages of the two antimicrobials have occurred due to overprescribing in the face of the pandemic. Nevertheless, the combination appears to be effective in patients with early COVID-19, although it appears to be less effective in hospitalized patients with advanced disease.20 (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280#cit0020),21 (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280#cit0021) HCQ treatment was shown to protect multiple organs from inflammation in hospitalized COVID-19 patients.24 (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280#cit0024) In one uncontrolled study, HCQ prophylaxis in a hospital setting with a known SARS-CoV-2 exposure prevented dissemination of viral infection.25 (https://www.dovepress.com/articles.php?article_id=58280#cit0025)
walpurgis
28-08-2021, 07:29
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/19540276.how-felt-days-receiving-second-pfizer-covid-vaccine-dose/
Bit of a longwinded way of saying 'you might get a sore arm and feel odd for a couple of days'.
Covid: Delta variant patients twice as likely to need hospital care. lancet
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58354342
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1121B/production/_120317107_satstats.jpg
Forgot to update things yesterday: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
State of play so far [previous day's figures are shown below in brackets]
Positive tests: 32,406 (38,046).
Deaths: 133 (100).
Hospitalisations: 969 (948).
The interesting one there is the reduction in positive tests, which could be seen as a good thing, but I suspect the figures are lower because of the weekend, and of course with the bank holiday tomorrow, Tuesday's 'catch up' figures may not be as accurate as usual. Therefore, we may have to wait until Wednesday to see the real picture.
Aside from that, it's much as before, with ups and downs between both hospitalisations and deaths.
In Wales (again, previous day's figures in brackets)...
New cases: 2357 (1791).
Deaths: 3 (5).
So, new cases are on the rise, and over a weekend, so slightly concerning, but that could be down to number of factors. Again, we'll see what Tues/Weds has to offer.
Let's not lose sight of the fact though that since the vaccines were introduced, deaths throughout the UK during current waves of the virus have been consistently low - and I'm pretty sure that's likely to be the case going forward as we learn to LIVE with Covid.
Marco.
more record cases in scotland today.. 7113 i think it was..
hree council areas - East and West Dunbartonshire and North Lanarkshire - now have weekly case rates above 1,000 per 100,000 of population.
Yups, I hear wee Nicola's also had to self-isolate... Hope the rates start to fall soon in Scotland, but I suspect things might get worse before they get better.
State of play elsewhere yesterday (with the previous day's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Positive tests: 33,196 (32,406).
Deaths: 61 (133).
Hospitalisations: 969 (969).
Obviously on a Sunday during a bank holiday weekend it's difficult to read too much into the stats.
However, the death figure is interesting, which is around half what it was last Sunday, where of course a lag in data updates was also the case, and which *could* indicate the beginning of a sustained downward trend. In that respect, we'll see what tomorrow and Wednesday brings.
Otherwise, things are much the same.
In Wales... No new updates in stats due to Bank Holiday.
Marco.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F8F5/production/_120333736_statsheader.jpg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1225D/production/_120333347_____council_covid_rates_as_of_2021-08-27.png
not pretty viewing.
Jeez...
whats going on in North Lanarkshire?
Been working from home last few months, the Work has been pretty pro-active with Staff safety and being sensible about the whole thing.
Always closely been following Scottish Gov. guidelines, the work is issuing an updated statement on Covid Policy tommorow, to co-incide with what comes out of Hollyrood.
Big picture push to get folks back in the Office with phased returns etc..but maybe not so fast?
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F8F5/production/_120333736_statsheader.jpg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1225D/production/_120333347_____council_covid_rates_as_of_2021-08-27.png
not pretty viewing.
Soz, don't get it, mate. On Saturday there were 5858 new cases in Scotland (as shown on your BBC links), on Sunday there were 7113, and now today it's gone down to 3893, so that appears to be a good sign, no?
The unusual thing was that it went up so high on Sunday, when there's normally a lag on data, and now has dropped sharply today. Therefore, we'll need to see what the new cases figure is tomorrow, to get an accurate picture of the situation in Scotland.
Elsewhere in the UK (with the previous day's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Positive tests: 26,476 (33,196).
Deaths: 48 (61).
Hospitalisations: 969 (969).
Bizarrely, the figures for hospitalisations have remained the same for the last three days, which for me suggests that they haven't been properly updated yet. However, both new cases and deaths have reduced significantly, although of course this could be due to the delay over the bank holiday.
In that respect, we'll see the real picture tomorrow.
Marco.
Over 14% of tests. They didn't do anywhere as many tests on Sunday hence lower numbers.
But on Sunday the new cases stats were at their HIGHEST (at 7113), so not 'low numbers'...Still confused, sorry!:scratch:
The fact is, the figures for new cases in Scotland have been up and down like a yoyo, over the last three days:
Saturday: 5858.
Sunday: 7113.
Today: 3893.
Tomorrow...? Let's wait and see. No doubt though, that certain areas of Scotland are seeing large numbers of new infections.
Marco.
But on Sunday the new cases stats were at their HIGHEST (at 7113), so not 'low numbers'...Still confused, sorry!:scratch:
The fact is, the figures for new cases in Scotland have been up and down like a yoyo, over the last three days:
Saturday: 5858.
Sunday: 7113.
Today: 3893.
Tomorrow...? Let's wait and see. No doubt though, that certain areas of Scotland are seeing large numbers of new infections.
Marco.
not sure how stats are worked, but from something like 12 to 12 may be the way as they come out in early afternoon so its either 2 half of days or 24 hrs behind.
Stryder5
31-08-2021, 09:59
I’ve been searching for COVID-19 “case” definition, best I could find:-
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/surveillance/case-definition
So if we consider A,B or C case definitions in the statistics being quoted, what’s the breakdown?
If we use A as being a case, then this applies:-
Any person with at least one of the following symptoms [1]:
- cough
- fever
- shortness of breath
- sudden onset of anosmia, ageusia or dysgeusia
Wonder how much of group A is actually confirmed to group C, and again which statistics are being created?
Does group A include Test and Trace contacts?
Gary
not sure how stats are worked, but from something like 12 to 12 may be the way as they come out in early afternoon so its either 2 half of days or 24 hrs behind.
Yups... The point I was making though was that the figures for Sunday weren't low (as you said, see below); they were HIGH - the highest yet!:)
They didn't do anywhere as many tests on Sunday hence lower numbers.
Marco.
Yups... The point I was making though was that the figures for Sunday weren't low (as you said, see below); they were HIGH - the highest yet!:)
Marco.
depends on how many they test tho.,. you can get a lower number by testing half the amount. you can see we have 3 areas that are well over 1000 per 100000... that is a lot, as it means there will be at least same again out amung us that have it. thats dangerous for likes of me. and its folk like me that end up dying, not the younger folk that are spreading it if you know what i mean.
hopefully, soon we will turn the corner. got to run out of hosts soon surely
I’ve been searching for COVID-19 “case” definition, best I could find:-
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/surveillance/case-definition
So if we consider A,B or C case definitions in the statistics being quoted, what’s the breakdown?
If we use A as being a case, then this applies:-
Any person with at least one of the following symptoms [1]:
- cough
- fever
- shortness of breath
- sudden onset of anosmia, ageusia or dysgeusia
Wonder how much of group A is actually confirmed to group C, and again which statistics are being created?
Does group A include Test and Trace contacts?
Gary
I know Gary, it's all rather woolly...
The only reason I'm using the government website as the source for stats, is because that's what drives their agenda! Therefore, as long as the key figures remain in the 'acceptable region', I know we're unlikely to see any further restrictions imposed.
Marco.
depends on how many they test tho.,. you can get a lower number by testing half the amount. you can see we have 3 areas that are well over 1000 per 100000... that is a lot, as it means there will be at least same again out amung us that have it. thats dangerous for likes of me. and its folk like me that end up dying, not the younger folk that are spreading it if you know what i mean.
hopefully, soon we will turn the corner. got to run out of hosts soon surely
Yeah, I get what you mean, and sure:)
However, I'm just looking at things in a black and white way (as we can't validate the accuracy of your above assertion).
Therefore, 7113 new cases on the Sunday is 3220 more than the 3893 reported on Monday, which for whatever reason, is a significant difference - and a marked reduction, which subject to what the figures are like later today, could be the beginning of a sustained downward trend.
Marco.
% of tests + is often the more interesting and helpful bit added to total which they, convieniently only give out occasionally. at 14/15% its way too high. its causing cases to double every week. but with the amount of folk part protected by vaccine and having had covid, the amount of hosts for it has to reduce soon.. then the herd protection stops it.(for a while anyway)
% of tests + is often the more interesting and helpful bit added to total which they, convieniently only give out occasionally. at 14/15% its way too high. its causing cases to double every week. but with the amount of folk part protected by vaccine and having had covid, the amount of hosts for it has to reduce soon.. then the herd protection stops it.(for a while anyway)
Yes, I fully agree (on all counts), but particularly with the bit in bold, which is why no-one should be panicking, and instead looking forward to when things will be better soon:)
Remember, always be a glass half FULL, not half EMPTY type!;)
Anyway, for the sake of simplicity, I'll just be sticking with the main (black & white) figures quoted (by the GOV) for these updates:)
Marco.
Today's stats for the UK (with the previous day's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Positive tests: 32,181 (26,476).
Deaths: 50 (48).
Hospitalisations: 901 (969).
Interesting figures... I suspect that due to Monday being a Bank Holiday, they won't have been fully updated, as per usual for a Tuesday.
However, there appears to be a sustained marked reduction in deaths (good news), which was happening over most of last week, and I suspect is likely to become a sustained trend in the weeks and months to come, as more of the population become vaccinated and medical staff in hospitals learn more about how to manage and treat patients with Covid.
We'll see what tomorrow brings, which will likely reflect a truer picture of the current situation. However, I would expect deaths to remain low, continuing the current downward trend, and for positive tests and hospitalisations to begin levelling off, before they start reducing in line with deaths.
Marco.
scottish ones were back up from mondays.. not as bad a peaks last week tho
looking a the figures it seems like the number of UK deaths levelled off back at the end of February. Inclines me to think that most of the covid deaths are no longer a direct result of covid. Otherwise the number of deaths would still be rapidly increasing.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=covid+death+graph+for+u.k&form=ANNTH1&refig=b425698761464f37918c93158099a290&sp=1&qs=SC&pq=covid+deaths+grap&sk=PRES1&sc=1-17&cvid=b425698761464f37918c93158099a290
scottish ones were back up from mondays.. not as bad a peaks last week tho
By how much? Could you post a pic of the BBC thing you usually put up, so we can read the stats?
Like this, only updated with today's stats:
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1121B/production/_120317107_satstats.jpg
Ta!:)
Marco.
looking a the figures it seems like the number of UK deaths levelled off back at the end of February. Inclines me to think that most of the covid deaths are no longer a direct result of covid. Otherwise the number of deaths would still be rapidly increasing.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=covid+death+graph+for+u.k&form=ANNTH1&refig=b425698761464f37918c93158099a290&sp=1&qs=SC&pq=covid+deaths+grap&sk=PRES1&sc=1-17&cvid=b425698761464f37918c93158099a290
Sure... The only thing that's been in any way 'rapidly increasing' recently is new cases, which by the nature of the beast, will slow down and begin to fall in due course.
Marco.
Think this is it.. Off my phonehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210831/302cca56640ebbf7db67bda88d5526a8.jpg
Bksabath
31-08-2021, 18:19
Have same more miss information from the Media
BTW our own MR Witty sez that not only it is safe when used to treat river blindness it also kills the bug that spread the virus so yes loads of miss information from the media this article is a prime example of it
Limited use on Human my arse as over 4 billions doses administered whit no reported side effects and a Nobel prize shared by the inventors :lol:
Ohio judge orders hospital to treat Covid patient with horse medicine Ivermectin despite warnings from CDC (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/ohio-judge-orders-hospital-to-treat-covid-patient-with-horse-medicine-ivermectin-despite-warnings-from-cdc/ar-AANUtmy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531)
Think this is it.. Off my phonehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210831/302cca56640ebbf7db67bda88d5526a8.jpg
Yup, that's it. Keep posting that one daily, as I do with the other.
So... Still down from the 7113 cases of Sunday;)
Marco.
In Wales, as of today (previous recorded figures shown below in brackets):
New cases: 3872 (2357).
Deaths: 1 (3).
Marco.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2026 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.