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Still going to bed around midnight/up about 7, so no change there, but my dumps timetable is all over the place. my 'gift to the world' would normally happen around 7am, but now it can happen any time of the day, much to the dismay of those that share this space with me :(
Yesterday Mrs. P made a load of ginger biscuits and a Victoria sponge cake, and this is all mostly gone (boredom-eating). Sponge cake was very nice, but rather dense - if someone threw a slice at your head you'd know about it. Probably contributing to my erratic poo times.
Well you did ask.
Yes, you must be used to 'nipping it' and saving it for later when you're up a ladder and feel a chocolate hostage threatening to escape, unless you you've dared releasing it in a customer's toilet? And that would be jolly indecent of you.
Tell Anita that fillet mignon, not sponge cakes, is good for softening stools.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
31-03-2020, 10:01
Oh no, I still jump in the tub last thing before bed, that will never change as long as I'm physically able to. Standards must still be maintained, though I really do it for myself, not for appearances.
Pigmy Pony
31-03-2020, 10:05
Tell Anita that filled minge, not sponge cakes, is good for softening stools.
Marco.
I'll pass on your suggestion :)
walpurgis
31-03-2020, 10:05
I suspected this, and I'm sure windy weather won't help much either
I'm sure the distance needs to be more. 'Experts' have said as much recently.
You only have to see how the mist from people's breath carries on cold days.
I'll pass on your suggestion :)
Lol - when was the last time you 'filled' hers?:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
31-03-2020, 10:11
Lol - when was the last time you 'filled' hers?:D
Marco.
Oh I don't know, these days I can't even remember what I had for breakfast, though I'm sure I had something.
walpurgis
31-03-2020, 10:12
I'm sure the distance needs to be more. 'Experts' have said as much recently.
You only have to see how the mist from people's breath carries on cold days.
Anyway. A serious 'guff' can clear most of a pub bar or railway carriage. Point proved!! :D
Think for most part 2 yards will be enough.. nothing bar total isolation is going to be perfect tho. Got my lunch delivered at 10.30, and left on step. its not been opened yet. That will be another hand washing excersise:eyebrows:
Think for most part 2 yards will be enough.. nothing bar total isolation is going to be perfect tho. Got my lunch delivered at 10.30, and left on step. its not been opened yet. That will be another hand washing excersise:eyebrows:
Don't like to break bad news, but its gonna be cold mate !.lol Wonder if they still do meals on wheels ?
Oh I don't know, these days I can't even remember what I had for breakfast, though I'm sure I had something.
I heard she was off sailing on HMS Pearl Necklace:
https://youtu.be/N63Rcu2GMBU
Marco.
MV Pearl Necklace surely?
Spectral Morn
31-03-2020, 11:02
CHINA IS NOW ACTING AS IF THEY ARE HELPING THE WORLD .Truth is they are selling billions of defective test kits,N95 masks and respirators Spain bought nearly 500 million dollars worth of defective junk.
Create a virus loose it on the world ,get rich and claim you are helping the world. THATS CHINA.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/
HAVE A CHINESE FRUIT BAT SANDWICH WITH THAT CUP A TEA.
Enough of the racism.
MV Pearl Necklace surely?
Aye, that'll do!:D
Did you watch the vid?
Marco.
Enough of the racism.
He may be wrong ?,but not sure its racism
Now for something completely different...
Has anyone found them selves sleeping late,staying up late and cooking far to much, because being home for 3 weeks just throws everything off?
Sadly no - busiest 3 weeks of my life with work (trying to get c. 4,000 people working from home, when our capacity at the beginning of the month was around 400...) And then trying to help homeschool two kids who think they're on a 6 month holiday... as well as be the dinner lady... But very grateful to be safe, so far.
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2020, 07:22
Sadly no - busiest 3 weeks of my life with work (trying to get c. 4,000 people working from home, when our capacity at the beginning of the month was around 400...) And then trying to help homeschool two kids who think they're on a 6 month holiday... as well as be the dinner lady... But very grateful to be safe, so far.
They'll never take you seriously until you make the custard more lumpy
They'll never take you seriously until you make the custard more lumpy
and leave the crusts on...they will get the message:D
daughter is home schooling... she is pissed off with it already..
They'll never take you seriously until you make the custard more lumpy
You do realise he only does it because he loves the uniform?:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2020, 08:59
You do realise he only does it because he loves the uniform?:eyebrows:
Marco.
Good of you to finally turn up Marco, detention for you me lad :spank:
Not long up:eyebrows:
Didn't get to bed until 1.30am...
Marco.
hifi_dave
01-04-2020, 11:04
Just heard on the news that Russia is sending aid to the US.
Could this horrid thing produce something good ?
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2020, 14:20
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, do we know how Russia themselves are going on with this? Same with North Korea.
hifi_dave
01-04-2020, 14:22
Wife just phoned John Lewis support and the message said that you might hear some noises of dogs and kids as staff are working from home..:)
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, do we know how Russia themselves are going on with this? Same with North Korea.
ruskies will shoot it... n korea will likely neuk it:doh:
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, do we know how Russia themselves are going on with this? Same with North Korea.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-usa/putin-sending-medical-supplies-to-help-us-fight-coronavirus-ifx-idUSKBN21I37W
scottish deaths up to 76 now. uk is 2352.
hifi_dave
01-04-2020, 15:49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_tEdQvFcc
Check this out.
Firebottle
01-04-2020, 16:10
Brilliant lyrics :band:
hifi_dave
01-04-2020, 16:13
So clever and he even sounds like Freddie.
scottish deaths up to 76 now. uk is 2352.
Lol - where are you getting your figures from, daftee? In Greater Glasgow alone, there's been 547 deaths... The Scotland figure in total is bound to be far greater. Key in any relevant post code here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
I just put in my old one of G46. In my area in North Wales (LL11) there's been 86 deaths so far.
Marco.
They are today's figures. That's Glasgow cases, not deaths
Ah if it's just cases, that's different. They should show both figures in the stats: cases and deaths. Big rise in deaths today though, overall in the UK... 563 new ones.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2020, 18:06
313 cases in Lancashire today, up from 59 last Tuesday
Assume it’s worse that you’ve heard...
Sit tight, we will get through this.
Keep Calm, and Stay at Home.
Lothian had a big increase today.
Yup I'm in until I have to go out.
I should have enough food until... It runs out [emoji23]
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2020, 08:24
Just been said on the radio news that the 2 metre distance is unlikely to be sufficient against coughs and sneezes, which many of us suspected anyway. This virus will stay for as long as we continue to underestimate it :(
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 08:55
Just been said on the radio news that the 2 metre distance is unlikely to be sufficient against coughs and sneezes, which many of us suspected anyway. This virus will stay for as long as we continue to underestimate it :(
I've been saying that for weeks..........but nobody listens!
Many people about not wearing face masks. They should be compulsory if you go out. Re-use them, a few minutes in a hot tumbledryer will probably sterilise them adequately for repeated use. As long as you're not using a communal dryer.
When you get your new 'kit', mate, you can put it on and show them how to do it properly... Darth Vader won't have a look in!!:eyebrows:
Marco.
not seen anyone up here with a mask, nor have i seen any for sale. not convinced on them being a good idea for general wear. My biggest bugbear is folk walking about sneezing and coughing, tbh even before this. In a shop its going to infect several folk.
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 09:14
not seen anyone up here with a mask, nor have i seen any for sale. not convinced on them being a good idea for general wear. My biggest bugbear is folk walking about sneezing and coughing, tbh even before this. In a shop its going to infect several folk.
I caught the end of a TV news report from Italy I believe, saying that any form of face covering is worth using. A scarf for instance.
The virus itself may be microscopic, but it is carried in water vapour and droplets. Much of which can be arrested by a simple mask.
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 09:18
When you get your new 'kit', mate, you can put it on and show them how to do it properly... Darth Vader won't have a look in!!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Mock if you will :).
Judging by the amount of serious protective kit being sold, I won't be the only one togged up. Wait and see.
If you're not coughing or sneezing though, there's no need for a mask. Just observe social distancing rules and you'll be fine.
Marco.
Mock if you will :).
Judging by the amount of serious protective kit being sold, I won't be the only one togged up. Wait and see.
Not mocking, mate. Just admiring your attention to detail!:D
Marco.
Mock if you will :).
Judging by the amount of serious protective kit being sold, I won't be the only one togged up. Wait and see.
Were 4 miles from central London and its like a ghost town around here, people sensibly socially distancing as well. How busy is Southall Geoff, many yoofs about ?
Hope your back well again :)
Ive to remain indoors. I had to get someone to take the boy to his hospital appointment the other day. With no deliveries in sight food wise tho its just a matter of rationing out the freezer stock. Once the milk goes, I have powdered stuff in my emergency rations along with dried soup and powdered potatoes:eyebrows:
What's happened to the food parcels you were getting delivered?
We'll be going out to the shops tomorrow (first time in a week), just to get a few bits, plus also for my dad and some neighbours. I'll just be to Lidl and back, though!
Marco.
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 09:54
Were 4 miles from central London and its like a ghost town around here, people sensibly socially distancing as well. How busy is Southall Geoff, many yoofs about ?
Hope your back well again :)
Much quieter here Brian, but the Indians are still gathering in groups and yacking, they obviously don't understand or don't care.
The druggies are more obvious, as they are incapable of staying in. Saw a group of three in a right state yesterday, one coughing all over the place and streaming with sweat. Nasty, I kept well away.
I'm well now by the way, after a close thing in Feb :).
Seems to be a lot more traffic around today than in previous days.
What's happened to the food parcels you were getting delivered?
We'll be going out to the shops tomorrow (first time in a week), just to get a few bits, plus also for my dad and some neighbours. I'll just be to Lidl and back, though!
Marco.
they never materialised for me, My son got 2 tho..still get a cup of soup and a roll or sarnie every few days tho
Potential V E day when eventually this is all over ?
Potential V E day when eventually this is all over ?
We can use all the surplus bog roil as bunting.
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 10:05
Ive to remain indoors. I had to get someone to take the boy to his hospital appointment the other day. With no deliveries in sight food wise tho its just a matter of rationing out the freezer stock. Once the milk goes, I have powdered stuff in my emergency rations along with dried soup and powdered potatoes:eyebrows:
Look at the Iceland site Grant. I've got a delivery from them coming this afternoon. They offer vulnerable or older customers better options.
There's always Beelivery if you're really stuck for essentials, but you pay more.
Beelivery sorted me out, bloody quick too.
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 10:09
Potential V E day when eventually this is all over ?
I predict some sort of economic boom once all this crap is over. Of course, I could be wrong, could be war instead! :eek:
Beelivery sorted me out, bloody quick too.
Who s Beelivery ?
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 10:10
Beelivery sorted me out, bloody quick too.
Bet you never did those spuds! :D
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 10:11
Who s Beelivery ?
https://www.beelivery.com/
We can use all the surplus bog roil as bunting.
And have baths in all the surplus baked beans, greedily bought by all the panic merchants!!
Can't find a tin of them round here for love nor money... Bog roll? Yes. Dried pasta? Sure. Paracetamol. Defo. Baked beans? No fucking chance... :rolleyes:
Marco.
And have baths in all the surplus baked beans, greedily bought by all the panic merchants!!
Can't find a tin of them round here for love nor money... Bog roll? Yes. Dried pasta? Sure. Paracetamol. Defo. Baked beans? No fucking chance... :rolleyes:
Marco. No baked beans, no bubbles in bath !
Got some beans. No bread mind but got beans. Some tins are probably out of date but probably be OK
No baked beans, no bubbles in bath !
Indeed:eyebrows:
But you have to laugh at the pathetic assholes, buying them all up like there's no tomorrow, most likely because they can't fucking cook (use fresh ingredients)!:doh:
Del only wants some to have with her breakfast (as she's veggie). No biggie, though. It's just the behaviour I find ridiculous, and worse the appalling profiteering currently being conducted with such items by online retailers.. £1.40 for a can of Heinz beans??
FUCK right off!:guns:
Marco.
Bet you never did those spuds! :D
Nah got a curry delivered from the restaurant down the road instead. Bloody gorgeous. Will get round to the spuds though.
Nah got a curry delivered from the restaurant down the road instead. Bloody gorgeous...
What did you have? Just curious!:)
Marco.
And have baths in all the surplus baked beans, greedily bought by all the panic merchants!!
Can't find a tin of them round here for love nor money... Bog roll? Yes. Dried pasta? Sure. Paracetamol. Defo. Baked beans? No fucking chance... :rolleyes:
Marco.
Got Heinz baked beans delivered from Beelivery the other day. Don't normally eat them but figured it was worth having some tinned protein in for emergency.
Yes, at £1.39 a can... I just checked! They'd have two hopes of me paying that (purely out of principle): Bob Hope and no hope.
Marco.
tins i have in stock; all fairly old but should be ok include soups.. various ones... beans, carrots, potatoes in tins..not sure when i got them but they are big ones. 2 tins of meatballs too. some tinned salmon. loads of powdered potato, and a big tub of dried veg for soup. oh and a can of milk powder.. good stuff. some carnation milk too.
some dried pasta and jars of pasta sauce. Think a little rice too, and a couple of boxes of rice crispies.
guessing i will live well enough:eyebrows:
Yes, at £1.39 a can... I just checked! They'd have two hopes of me paying that (purely out of principle): Bob Hope and no hope.
Marco.
I paid £1.29 a can - no idea how much they usually cost.
I paid £1.29 a can - no idea how much they usually cost.
Six pack is £3 in Asda but I prefer Asda's own brand at £1 for a four pack (but they are out of stock).
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 12:00
I'd have given him five years!!
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-man-who-spat-on-police-while-claiming-he-had-coronovairus-is-jailed-11967349
i'd shoot him.... only way to disuade scum
I paid £1.29 a can - no idea how much they usually cost.
About 60p! Anyway, what curry did you have?:)
Marco.
About 60p! Anyway, what curry did you have?:)
Marco.
Chicken Balti with a Tandoori starter.
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 12:16
i'd shoot him.... only way to disuade scum
Probably be a good few less of them soon. They'll ignore social distancing and won't stop mingling, won't wear masks either.
Six pack is £3 in Asda but I prefer Asda's own brand at £1 for a four pack (but they are out of stock).
Indeed, Roy... If you can find any that is! Must be all the chavs round here hoovering them up;)
Marco.
I'd have given him five years!!
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-man-who-spat-on-police-while-claiming-he-had-coronovairus-is-jailed-11967349
Total inhuman vermin. What would I do? Make him/it swallow the spit of someone who does - a nice big cup full!!
Marco.
Chicken Balti with a Tandoori starter.
Good stuff. At least you know now they're open! I'll be having a ruby tonight:)
Marco.
Good stuff. At least you know now they're open! I'll be having a ruby tonight:)
Marco.
Yep will be having another one tonight too.
Good information here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM
Bksabath
02-04-2020, 13:37
Worldometer corona for charts
Peak prosperity corona for fact
Sorry, Sandro, don't know what you're trying to say?:scratch:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2020, 15:38
Petrol/diesel very cheap at the moment, presumably due to reduced demand. Got the van and the car both filled up. When the restrictions are eventually lifted there will be a massive surge of panic buying, and there will be some folk stupid enough to try using their stockpiled alcohol-based hand cleansers in their cars.
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2020, 15:51
Mrs. P has just ordered 10 black fabric masks off ebay. I don't expect they will offer the wearer much protection, but will certainly help to arrest coughs and sneezes. So they are there to protect others from us, and if everyone did the same I'm sure it can only help.
I might never get out again, or so it feels.... I might never or rarely got to a shop again
hifi_dave
02-04-2020, 16:33
Our local hospital, Addenbrookes, has just been on the news. They have developed a machine used to check for Ebola into a Corona virus detector. Apparently, anyone can use it, gives results in minutes and doesn't use the 'chemicals' which are in short supply. They have 40 at the moment but hundreds can be made/day.
Could help a lot to get people back to work.
walpurgis
02-04-2020, 16:39
Hermes! There was a knock at my door earlier and I opened it to find myself face to face with a Hermes delivery driver offering me a package. WTF!! Don't they give these morons any training? He should have placed it on the doorstep and backed away. If I'm ill soon, I'll know who to blame, HERMES!!
hifi_dave
02-04-2020, 16:45
I've had a few deliveries, the past week and they have all been down the drive before I could open the door..:)
Hermes! There was a knock at my door earlier and I opened it to find myself face to face with a Hermes delivery driver offering me a package. WTF!! Don't they give these morons any training? He should have placed it on the doorstep and backed away. If I'm ill soon, I'll know who to blame, HERMES!!
I got a parcelforce one yesterday.. guy was out on street faster than a fast thing :eek: got one from royal mail today. she was keeping distance but when she saw me on sticks she said to back off a bit and she lifted it into the hall.. which meant i didnt have to touch it.. just knock it along with the sticks. wont get opened for a day or 2
Hermes! There was a knock at my door earlier and I opened it to find myself face to face with a Hermes delivery driver offering me a package. WTF!! Don't they give these morons any training? He should have placed it on the doorstep and backed away. If I'm ill soon, I'll know who to blame, HERMES!!
Better than Herpes?;)
Marco.
Better than Herpes?;)
Marco.Herpes seems like a doddle compared to corona virus..
As does crucification .. A Doodle
Bksabath
03-04-2020, 06:59
Sorry, Sandro, don't know what you're trying to say?:scratch:
Marco.
gogle them up
fact and figures about corona (not extra)
and comments about it
Bksabath
03-04-2020, 07:08
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkN8yCWSGus
It is a very odd time, I don't know about life in the U.K. or other parts of the world where people may read this but until we where hit with this virus there was not much rest.
My day Monday to Friday Starts at 5:30 AM or 6:00 Am getting ready for work stopping to put gas in the beast nearly weekly $100.00 fill up. Getting to work and running all day.I get off work 2 :30 pm and my Son gets out of school at 2:30 so I have to drive through traffic in a mad rush because if your not there by 3:40 they are on the phone to you. Pick up my son Conner go through a drive through window for dinner, run home fill up his water bottle while he changes in to his baseball uniform grab his gear and drive to Richards field practice 3x a week and 2 games a week, then come home at 7:00 pm or 10:00pm and help him with his home work. And have a snack before bed . Saturday doing laundry,cleaning house and some family time when not in a travel ball tournament. Sunday church some times morning some times evening 2 weekends a month Conner has travel baseball all week end out of town. And nearly every Sunday is baseball practice for his travel team. Spring and Fall is Little League he is in Majors ,Summer and winter is basketball or Dynamic Training ( 90 min. 2x a week, one 90 min. session he may do 200 push ups in 10 sets of 20 spread out over the work out, run with a parachute on his back, agility training and plyometrics exorcises ,in 90 min. they get 3 x 1min. water breaks so they build endurance. So Conner is always pushing him self. My Wife Nosheen works 6 days a week with Monday off , 10:00 AM to 6:00pm So she takes him to school, works then runs to see his games in the evenings under the lights at Richards field, and on Sunday if we miss the early service she closes at 5:00pm so we can go to church later.
For 3 weeks now we have been home cooking together. Going to the park as a family and eating 3 meals a day together. Even our church is closed but doing service on line. We have done pretty well one of Conners coaches has been setting up practices for just his son and Conner but we all keep a distance and wash our hands after handling the ball. So they don't lose their pitching and hitting skills.
It has been a total reset of life, my truck may go the whole month on one tank of gas! It sat undriven for 2 full weeks.
Our house needs a lot of putting stuff away thinning out and organizing,I just don't feel like it. I know that sucks but I sleep when I feel like it and get up when I feel like it and it feels good.
How will we go fully back to the life we had before ? Knowing how it feels to be free from the rat race? Roseville near Sacremento Ca. U.S.A.
How has everyones day changed where you live?
not seen anyone for 3 weeks really...
Live 4 miles from central London and its like a ghost town ( largely ). With most shops closed down it seems very eerie everywhere, though of course air quality is much better.
I'm working from home, not been out the house since a week last Wednesday. Still getting up and going to bed around the same time as I always did. (0700 - 2230).
We can still go out side, we live in a condo so not much of a yard but we are less than 200 feet from a small park with a girls softball field and a basketball court.
We don't get close to people and when we get home we wash our hands and leave our shoes out side, and disinfect what ever ball we used .
It is so hard to just turn off all a 10 year old boys activities and expect him to just sit on the computer playing games or reading weeks at a time so this is our compromise.
not seen anyone for 3 weeks really...
How's your lass now, Grant? Is she in a position now to do some shopping for you?:)
Marco.
How's your lass now, Grant? Is she in a position now to do some shopping for you?:)
Marco.
quarentine finishes around sunday i think. video called today so saw her. she is home schooling lol. tearing hair out.
dunno if i will ask her to do any. dont want to put anyone at risk if not essential mate
We can still go out side, we live in a condo so not much of a yard but we are less than 200 feet from a small park with a girls softball field and a basketball court.
We don't get close to people and when we get home we wash our hands and leave our shoes out side, and disinfect what ever ball we used .
It is so hard to just turn off all a 10 year old boys activities and expect him to just sit on the computer playing games or reading weeks at a time so this is our compromise.
ive a big back garden but its been so cold of late ive not really been in it, not that i can do much but hobble about. to warm up later in week
hifi_dave
03-04-2020, 12:10
You'll be able to sit out in your cozzie on Sunday. Supposed to be 20c.
quarentine finishes around sunday i think. video called today so saw her. she is home schooling lol. tearing hair out.
dunno if i will ask her to do any. dont want to put anyone at risk if not essential mate
Glad she's ok. Not a special journey, but she could get stuff for you when she's going to the supermarket, then drop it off (leave it outside your front door). That's what I'm doing with my dad:)
Marco.
Glad she's ok. Not a special journey, but she could get stuff for you when she's going to the supermarket, then drop it off (leave it outside your front door). That's what I'm doing with my dad:)
Marco.. Hows Dad ?, seems a remarkable man for his age :)
. Hows Dad ?, seems a remarkable man for his age :)
He's fine, Brian. Thanks for asking. Loves working in his garden and making things out of wood. Pretty fit for age. I'd certainly settle for that at 87, if I get there!:)
Marco.
Good to hear. Can make me a plinth if he wishes ;)
Last few days have been quite pleasant for me (I know that sounds very self centred) but I have been getting out in the garden and getting ahead with lots of jobs:
Grape vines trimmed (wrong time of year, but didn't feel like it back in December)
One of my pergolas pressure washed (to get rid of algae), then treated with preserver.
Patio blocks pressure washed.
Wood chairs cleaned and teak oiled.
Raised beds topped up with soil (on offer at Wickes and delivery today. Still waiting for tomato, sprouting broccoli and broad beans to germinate so that I have something to put in the raised beds:)
Daughter just back home from work at hospital (she is an OT), apparently we have possibly been in contact with the virus.
My daughter has been working with patients for weeks who have developed Covid but were on general wards. So either our routine is very clean (she goes straight in to the shower when she gets home and her clothes are all washed at 65 degrees then tumble dried each evening (my bloody electricity bills:eek:), or we have immunity? or it takes longer than 14 days to develop?
Really missing the pub, but have a selection of beers on the patio cooling down for tonight and my first batch of beer (Woodfordes Nog) is ready for transferring to the pressure barrel - something else that I will be getting on with.
All the best. Guy.
walpurgis
03-04-2020, 20:47
America, China, the rest and COVID-19.
https://getaka.co.in/business-news/the-tragedy-of-two-failing-superpowers/
scottish chief medical officer decided to ignore her own advice and go and travel to her second home, staying overnight and with family.
How does she have gall to demand others not do things that she does... yet keeps her job of course, where we would be Fined etc.
Now we have Hancock saying no-one will be allowed out to excersise... well good luck implementing that
Pigmy Pony
05-04-2020, 11:07
Be interesting to see how many politicians contract the virus over the coming weeks.
I seem to recall they had the same issue in WW2 with people not observing the black-out restrictions, hence the formation of the ARP and 'Put that light out!'
Also there's a psychological aspect. People don't want to deal with the fact that something so catastrophic is happening and one of the ways of blotting that out is to try to carry on as normal.
Most of us are old and used to entertaining ourselves by reading, listening to music and so on. That's what we did when we were young when there was no money, only three channels of tv. Remember how dull a cold, rainy Sunday could be? Nothing was open, you had no spare money anyway, choice between watching Highway or Songs of Praise? We developed coping strategies in those times, the younger generations have not.
Mikeandvan
05-04-2020, 11:16
I seem to recall they had the same issue in WW2 with people not observing the black-out restrictions, hence the formation of the ARP and 'Put that light out!'
Also there's a psychological aspect. People don't want to deal with the fact that something so catastrophic is happening and one of the ways of blotting that out is to try to carry on as normal.
Most of us are old and used to entertaining ourselves by reading, listening to music and so on. That's what we did when we were young when there was no money, only three channels of tv. Remember how dull a cold, rainy Sunday could be? Nothing was open, you had no spare money anyway, choice between watching Highway or Songs of Praise? We developed coping strategies in those times, the younger generations have not.
Then you discovered beer.
Even the pubs were shut on a Sunday until, what was it, 7pm?
''In the end, it was the Sunday afternoons he couldn't cope with, and that terrible listlessness which starts to set in at about 2:55, when you know that you've had all the baths you can usefully have that day, that however hard you stare at any given paragraph in the papers you will never actually read it, or use the revolutionary new pruning technique it describes, and that as you stare at the clock the hands will move relentlessly on to four o'clock, and you will enter the long dark teatime of the soul''
Mikeandvan
05-04-2020, 11:21
The kids these days bunch of social media zombies couch potato phones glued to their ears idiots anyway, staying in won't bother them. Personally I miss my daily coffee in a café, so now just sit at home and drink it instead, no biggie I guess. Where I live the po po are forcing everyone to use the same bit of seafront, by not allowing people on the beach, and insisting people cannot travel to get fresh air/exercise/scenic walk, we have to use the seafront esplanade only, along with sweaty exhaling runners, daft as hell!
Pigmy Pony
05-04-2020, 11:22
The word "boredom" only emerged with the punk movement of the late seventies. Don't ever recall hearing the word before then. And I don't recall the weather ever being so bad we couldn't go outside. Apart from "77 Sunset Strip", "The Saint", "Man from Uncle" and "Batman" I don't remember much telly. Oh and "Lost in Space" and "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea". Actually a few more titles are coming to mind, so I must have been a square eyes after all.
Mikeandvan
05-04-2020, 11:22
Even the pubs were shut on a Sunday until, what was it, 7pm?
''In the end, it was the Sunday afternoons he couldn't cope with, and that terrible listlessness which starts to set in at about 2:55, when you know that you've had all the baths you can usefully have that day, that however hard you stare at any given paragraph in the papers you will never actually read it, or use the revolutionary new pruning technique it describes, and that as you stare at the clock the hands will move relentlessly on to four o'clock, and you will enter the long dark teatime of the soul''
Noooo, open at 11am, close at 3pm, then re open at 7pm, so the government made sure we all went home for tea.
When I was a kid and there was nothing to do I would listen to music and sketch. I aways had paper and pencils around as T.V. was pretty awful all 3 channels of it.
when young up here, pubs couldnt open on a sunday at all. only hotels and had to be outwith your area.. think it was 2/3 miles away to deter folk.(fat chance) Cant remember when the law changed
Pigmy Pony
05-04-2020, 11:29
Noooo, open at 11am, close at 3pm, then re open at 7pm, so the government made sure we all went home for tea.
I remember it being 12 till 2, then 7 till 10.30 on Sundays.
I remember it being 12 till 2, then 7 till 10.30 on Sundays.
Yes that was my recollection too. In fact I think it was 10pm closing on a Sunday until some time in the 1980s.
Pigmy Pony
05-04-2020, 11:41
Our local pub had an "off sales", which was a side door and a little counter, where us kids could buy our sherbet dips and penny logs, or get a free bag of beer bottle tops which I liked because they were blingy and smelled of beer. This closed at 10pm every night I think. Do beer bottle tops still have a bit of cork on the inside? I bet they don't.
Was a pain half day on sundays was our favourite day to go out for few. Luckily our local used to shut we would go to bowling alley cpl of games of bowls with landlord then back to pub through side door and carry on. Often ran a quiz on sunday nights which were fun at times depending on how many i'd had :)
Mikeandvan
05-04-2020, 19:34
I remember it being 12 till 2, then 7 till 10.30 on Sundays.
You're probably right, I was often drunk.
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2020, 07:02
Just out of interest I checked out what the populations around Great Britain were. Source I used showed England to be just shy of 56m, Scotland 5.5m, Wales 3.1m including Marco but excluding sheep. But the shocker for me was London, standing at 9 and a bit million - that's way more than Scotland and Wales combined.
AJSki2fly
06-04-2020, 07:44
Just out of interest I checked out what the populations around Great Britain were. Source I used showed England to be just shy of 56m, Scotland 5.5m, Wales 3.1m including Marco but excluding sheep. But the shocker for me was London, standing at 9 and a bit million - that's way more than Scotland and Wales combined.
Yes and I think if you check you will find Cornwall an Devon combined is around 2 million without holiday makers or 2nd homeowners.
Is the Daigou stripping the world of essential supplies?
Is it happening right under our noses?
I had no idea what this was, I had to go to try to find toilet paper and two elderly woman had a cart full of feminine hygiene products. Every type of pad or plug the store had.
These woman where old white haired Chinese talking in Mandarin.
This is a criminal organization, illegally exporting the worlds goods to China. I'm told it all started with baby formula .
Where did all the masks go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImmRjT74i-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3UGmPcGDpc
Is the Daigou stripping the world of essential supplies?
Is it happening right under our noses?
I had no idea what this was, I had to go to try to find toilet paper and two elderly woman had a cart full of feminine hygiene products. Every type of pad or plug the store had.
These woman where old white haired Chinese talking in Mandarin.
This is a criminal organization, illegally exporting the worlds goods to China. I'm told it all started with baby formula .
Where did all the masks go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImmRjT74i-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3UGmPcGDpc
there are lots of people getting very rich doing this, and it should be stopped, especially in a period of emergency.
there are lots of people getting very rich doing this, and it should be stopped, especially in a period of emergency.
Was that pun intentional?:lol:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2020, 09:33
:eek: Thanks for that Jeff, really interesting - I didn't think I'd watch it all the way through, but I did. Never heard of daigou before, so that was educational. I'll watch out for this in the future, and won't feel too bad about taking some form of "direct action" where I see it.
Regarding that bit where all those Chinese folk were stripping the shelves of infant formula 2 packs at a time as per restrictions, leaving them outside then going back in for more - they may get away with that in Australia, but over here someone would have all those unattended packs away no problem.
Just out of interest I checked out what the populations around Great Britain were. Source I used showed England to be just shy of 56m, Scotland 5.5m, Wales 3.1m including Marco but excluding sheep. But the shocker for me was London, standing at 9 and a bit million - that's way more than Scotland and Wales combined.
Indeed, and that's NOT a good stat either, especially now! You have to ask yourself *why* London is so overcrowded and WHO or WHAT has allowed it to become that way...? But that's a whole other conversation...
The fact is, now with this pandemic, there's never been a better time to live as far away as possible from big cities and mass population. There have only been 189 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (our local one) so far, out of a total population of 698,369, with so far only 42 deaths, and that figure has hardly changed in the last week.
What's notable there, aside from anything else, is that the case numbers are very low for a population of that size, even though it's far from being a high population (compared with other areas of the UK, although it's a huge chunk of that of North Wales), which shows that the people of North Wales are staying put, as per the rules, and not wandering around like other idiots, spreading the virus!
Compare that with similarly populated areas of England, let alone London or any other major English city, and it shows not only a very low number of cases and deaths, but so far a successful containment of the virus. That's because out with of Wrexham, in North Wales there are more sheep than people.... [Down Piggurs:eyebrows:] Or more seriously, no major cities with high populations, liable to spread the virus. That fact becomes even more obvious when you compare the cases and death rates of CV in South Wales, around Swansea, Newport and Cardiff...
But, when this pandemic is over, that's not an invitation for all you 'big city' boys, down south, to come and live up here!. You can stay put, thanks:D;)
Marco.
my region has 500+ cases.. but again much of the population is all around edinburgh, where probably most cases will have come from, being a biggish city
Indeed. You can see my point, though.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2020, 10:07
my region has 500+ cases.. but again much of the population is all around edinburgh, where probably most cases will have come from, being a biggish city
That's something else that surprised me, that Edinburgh has a population of less than half a million. Not much for a capital.
...which is why it should be Glasgow that's the capital, not Edinburgh!:ner::D
That's a big thing up in Scotland: the Edinburgh/Glasgow divide... And man, in general, the people are so different.
Marco.
That's something else that surprised me, that Edinburgh has a population of less than half a million. Not much for a capital.
used to be linlithgow and its pretty small.. Edinburgh became the home of the monarch and also parliament so then became capitol.
Yeah I know, but that was yonks ago! The situation needs re-evaluating using more modern criteria;)
Anyway, hold your hands up if you're from Middlesborough or any of these other places: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/04/05/a-heat-mapa-reveals-communities-ignoring-social-distancing-ru/?ncid=webmail
PARK YER ARSES INDOORS, YA SELFISH FUCKS!
:exactly:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2020, 11:44
Anita's 18 month-old granddaughter lives in Burnley with her mother, and we get to have her here every other weekend. Anita lives for these stopovers, and not being able to see her is killing her. But that's the way it has to be for the foreseeable future.
The mother has tried to palm her off on us, without success. Be nice for the virus to cull all the thick people who only care about themselves, but unfortunately innocents are also at risk.
Time for the police to get out the big sticks.
one of my neighbours is self isolating i heard yesterday. a bit too close for comfort;)
rmcin626
06-04-2020, 12:19
I’ve been self isolating for nearly 2 weeks now, today is my last day, after my wife was sent home with a cough.
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2020, 12:23
I’ve been self isolating for nearly 2 weeks now, today is my last day, after my wife was sent home with a cough.
Time was when all you could get sent home with was your P45. Those were the days :(
Im still isolated for the term of the disease I guess... Just managed another order from Donald russell. Either they have had cancellations or they have got more slots. It will fill up the freezer
walpurgis
06-04-2020, 13:35
Im still isolated for the term of the disease I guess... Just managed another order from Donald russell. Either they have had cancellations or they have got more slots. It will fill up the freezer
And I just got an Iceland delivery slot for tomorrow, so that's us sorted for quite a while. Not been near a shop for weeks.
Was that pun intentional?:lol:
Marco.
Nothing,absolutely nothing gets passed Marco.
Pigmy Pony
06-04-2020, 16:30
Vans outside two houses across the road. One is for a plumber (fair enough) and the other house has two (two!) plasterers' vans on the drive. Really? Are the walls so bad that the occupant's mental health is affected?
I know there will be plenty of self-employed on their arses financially for the next 8 weeks, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but two weeks in I wonder if compliance has somehow peaked :scratch:
InThe Sticks
06-04-2020, 20:19
First of all i wish Boris the best now he's in ICU.
If nothing else this should serve as a warning to all the selfish cnuts who ignore the advice not to go out to the park or beach to have a BBQ or sunbathe.
These fucking morons don't deserve the love and care our nurses and doctors give whilst risking their own lives.
Wankers.
Made in 1968
06-04-2020, 20:27
The Fuzz ought to be banning sales of BBQ too. You cant tar everyone's activities with the same BBQ Fork but as always the prats spoil it for the rest..
Hear, hear, Jon. You must've read my mind!
As most will know, I'm certainly not a Tory, nor normally or a Boris Johnson fan, but hand on heart, I truly wish him all the best in making a speedy and full recovery from this virus.
Marco.
Made in 1968
06-04-2020, 20:50
Aye Politics is only a Job. Does not alter anything, he's a Human being as well. Hope he fights it off.
What will it take, you think, for us a general public to get that this is literally life threatening?
Pamphlets...orderly queues...
A British version of “Duck and Cover” or one too many BBQ’s being put out by the Police?
Hope Boris is ok, not a fan but...you know..
Aye Politics is only a Job. Does not alter anything, he's a Human being as well. Hope he fights it off.
Well said Sir.
Made in 1968
06-04-2020, 21:00
Gaz i have had some seriously mind blowing rows with some neighbours that totally do not give a crap, they even keep saying so. Outside with all the mates pissing it up. Im like raging Bull arguing with them. First they drain the society refusing to go to work, now they wanna help destroy the society. Im telling you dudes there is loads & loads of vermin like this..
Wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Hoping he gets better
Gaz i have had some seriously mind blowing rows with some neighbours that totally do not give a crap, they even keep saying so. Outside with all the mates pissing it up. Im like raging Bull arguing with them. First they drain the society refusing to go to work, now they wanna help destroy the society. Im telling you dudes there is loads & loads of vermin like this..
A friend of mine shared this on farcebook
(Apols for cut and paste and the language ,but warranted I thought )
As someone with a Masters in disease control, you can only imagine the sheer hell on earth that Facebook is for me at the moment.
From Chantelle who has impressively made the leap from bath bomb retailer to consultant virologist in a matter of weeks and can tell you exactly why the government and their experts are wrong, to Bob who claims to have secret intel from a secret government group on the secret programme of secret treatment measures that the government are definitely bringing in at 3pm next Thursday, only it’s a secret, but he’s posting it on Facebook so he feels like 007, to Steve who thinks it’s all a load of bollocks and if he wants to wander round town he bloody well can cos he doesn’t feel sick and why the fuck is ‘spoons shut cos his granddad didn’t fight the nazis for him to be told to stay inside even if pornhub premium is now free for a week.
I tried as hard as I could in my studies and in my work in disease control to avoid viruses like the plague (see what I did there?) because they are absolute bastards. Bacteria are so much easier to control and parasites are positively dreamy. Viruses are utter bastards (did I mention that?) because you can do almost fuck all to them. To deal with viruses you have to deal with the viral vector instead. That’s the weak point for a virus. Its vector. Only in this case the vector is humans, bloody stupid, arsehole humans like Chantelle, Bob and Steve. Viral control is about psychology more than it’s about medicine and that’s what’s scary about it. Giving everyone a pill is easy, getting everyone to listen and change their behaviour is a fucking nightmare.
The virus is just chugging along being a virus, it’s living it’s best life #livelaughcough. You can’t ignore it out of existence, scaremonger it away or become magically immune by gargling with vinegar, donning a decorating mask or sticking a live frog up your arse and swanning round town like an immortal dickhead. You have to actually do what you’re being told to do. YOU.
YOU. You can stop it. Do what you’re told. Stay the fuck inside. Stop thinking you’re an expert, stop thinking you know best, stop thinking you’re a rebel, stop trying to be a special little cupcake. Be a sheeple. Do what you’ve been asked to do. This is NOT your time to shine sweet cheeks, this isn’t your opportunity to over throw the system and save mankind. It’s your opportunity to sit tight, watch Netflix and save mankind.
The virus does not give a shit about you. You’re just a stepping stone, a host, a nameless, faceless breeding ground and launchpad. All it gives a shit about is reproducing and finding new hosts. Don’t let it. Break the chain. Shut the hell up. Stop spreading fake news, fear and gossip. Let the experts be the experts and do what they tell you because all the googling, all the conspiracy theories, all the spoilt princess routines and all the voodoo bullshit in the world is not going to help you one little bit. This is not about YOUR ego, it’s about OUR survival. So act for the good of us all and do what you’re being asked to do.
Stay inside, protect the NHS, save lives.
I’m almost as much fun on Twitter @clerkingabout www.twitter.com/clerkingabout
Addendum:
Hello everyone, thank you for taking the time to read my ramble and to share it and help me convince my parents that all that money spent on the Masters degree was of some benefit to mankind but I’m just a girl who has a little experience I wanted to share.
I’ve not even told you about the time I got the lab induced yeast infection up my nose, the time I sedated myself with chloroform during an exam, or had an entire, fully operational water treatment plant stolen over night, but, suffice to say I have a little window into this mad world we’re all stuck in together now.
I am not your government. I am not your health department. I am not the girl who decides on your country’s global treatment programme. I’m not Scully, or indeed, Mulder.
So please don’t come at me bro, I’m not interested in arguing with you because you’ve read how eating 4 oranges a day will give you a shield of protection like you’ve just had a bowl of 1970s readybrek, or how you have a file of secret evidence as to why this has been made up by the Chinese/Trump/ phone companies or your dad. I’m just here to say STAY THE FUCK INSIDE.
Now, Judge Judy is on and I’ve just treated myself to a Freddo Frog, so have fun y’all and STAY THE FUCK INSIDE.
Light Dependant Resistor
06-04-2020, 22:54
What will it take, you think, for us a general public to get that this is literally life threatening?
Pamphlets...orderly queues...
A British version of “Duck and Cover” or one too many BBQ’s being put out by the Police?
Hope Boris is ok, not a fan but...you know..
Following the approach and advice given by Jacinda Ardern New Zealand's Prime Minister, might help
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-leadership/12124300
Following the approach and advice given by Jacinda Ardern New Zealand's Prime Minister, might help
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-leadership/12124300Yes she has done well, as too overall has our first minister Sturgeon.
Let's face it, most politicians struggle with the idea of closing down a country, so it's not surprising some started off wrong
mad-moon
07-04-2020, 01:32
Just received my letter from NHS...stay indoors for 12 weeks..no food shopping...no picking up meds...no nothing...difficult, but I can do it...I'll have to keep the missus in too, though they say she can go out...not happening, she stays indoors end of tale....Boris in ICU., he must be bricking it..hang on in there Boris. Try to be strong and I hope you come through this safe and get well soon....my thoughts go out to everyone who has been affected at this time..xx
I am still in total disbelief, at the extremely blase attitude of some people, who will not conform..all I can say to these ignorant non compos mentis pigs , is get indoors and stay there...good people please excuse my French and apologies for what I'm now going to type, but...to the idiots out there, who will not listen..You fucking thick cunts, you don't deserve a life..damn you all to hell you bloody bastards...
Made in 1968
07-04-2020, 13:03
:yesbruv:
STAY INSIDE.
It is hard to make such an adjustment for some. But it is the only chance we have at reducing the number of deaths. Here in the U.S. we just hit 11,000 deaths.
The life you save may be your own. Today we are going to get thick cotton fabric, liner fabric, Elastic to make masks as no one working the grocery stores have them.
My wife has worked as a Taylor and has a really good sewing machine so she wants to use her time in lock down in a way that helps those on the front line.
But going into crowded stores freaks me out. These masks are washable and reusable . We can all find a way to help someone in such a tuff time.
This is a time of prayer and thinking of others around you. Love everyone including those not showing good judgment, tell them this virus is a killer and ask them for the safety of their families and themselves to please stay inside. People respond better to a kind word of concern than the middle finger.
Some people really don't get IT , sometimes they are just young and feel invincible, remember those days?
If enough people remind them it is not just for their good but the good of theirs family it makes more sense to them.
One thing I am doing now, is not buying any Chinese goods anymore, It may cost more but I am going out of my to buy everything I can from the U.S. U.K. and India.
If it is made in China,I don't want it. I started buying tools made all over the U.K. instead of supporting china, the most selfish nation on Earth.
GOD PLEASE PROTECT THE PEOPLE AND FAMILY'S OF THE ART OF SOUND FORUMS.
GOD PLEASE SAVE ALL, AND BLESS ALL... AMEN
I've been trying to avoid buying anything that is Made in China for years now. The trouble is the origin of manufacture is not often marked on the outer box, but hidden away somewhere on the item itself, usually in very tiny letters!
I wanted to buy a new paper stapler some time ago - I found it impossible to buy one that was not 'Made in China': all the well-recognised and regarded UK brands now have their products made in China. Be it irons, kettles, most 'white goods' and power tools.
Made in 1968
07-04-2020, 18:20
Why i buy old Hi-Fi lol
Pigmy Pony
08-04-2020, 07:52
I've been trying to avoid buying anything that is Made in China for years now. The trouble is the origin of manufacture is not often marked on the outer box, but hidden away somewhere on the item itself, usually in very tiny letters!
I wanted to buy a new paper stapler some time ago - I found it impossible to buy one that was not 'Made in China': all the well-recognised and regarded UK brands now have their products made in China. Be it irons, kettles, most 'white goods' and power tools.
Particularly difficult if buying online, and the country of manufacture is not stated, but I too will make more of an effort. It's probably the only way we can show them. Though according to the video forwarded by Jeff, the Chinese will pursue even the smallest of profits.
My favoured contribution to this cause would be to seek out these people filling their car boots with essential items, then slap them silly and make off with their loot. And my response to any liberals who may accuse me of incitement: I DON'T CARE! that video has really wound me up you may have noticed :(
Report on bbc London yesterday from Barnet suggested social distancing was still rather patchy along high streets etc. In fact the borough of Barnet indeed was becoming a virus hotspot.
People around my way seem to have got the message, though I did have to dodge a mobile phone zombie yesterday with a neat body swerve ( think Lionel Messi ) ;) to keep my
2 mt distance. How are others finding s/d in there towns ?
Don't know, I'm just not going out at all. Always thought it was over-rated even before this happened.
I live in a village so no big problem with distancing. When I walk the dog the nearest I have been to anyone must be about 20 metres - quite nice when I "meet" another dog walker, we both tend to change direction early on in the encounter and smile and wave. There seems to be a friendlier atmosphere.
Bloody awful experience a couple of days ago in a Supermarket in Ipswich though. I went out to get some fresh vegetables, milk etc (village farm shops have been emptied by people from town driving out here during the early stages of panic buying).
In the supermarket there was a group of six women gossiping/having a laugh at the end of one of the aisles, I stopped to look at the chocolate and a woman (wearing face mask, so she was ok :mental:) was impatient and bumped in to me as she stretched to get what she wanted.
At the checkout queue (clearly marked with distance warnings) the woman in front of me was only a foot or so behind the chap in front - he turned and, very politely, told her to keep her distance and she seemed to be offended that he should be concerned.
Lots of dumb f--ks in town, so glad that I live in a village.
On the way home I was being driven to distraction by the urge to scratch/rub all these strange itches on my face, managed to resist though.
As soon as I got in, clothes on hot wash and a very thorough shower.
I won't be going in to town again for quite some time.
Had a chat earlier with one of my neighbours, she's lived there 6 years never spoken to her before. Also exchanged pleasantries with young couple who live a couple of doors down, they've been there maybe a year or so. Funny how these thing break down interpersonal barriers like that.
Made in 1968
08-04-2020, 10:58
Also having the alternate effect.
You just live too near to too many karnts!:D
Btw, on a totally different subject, if anyone is struggling to find bottles of hand sanitiser, we've just been to Boots and obtained some, where I was reliably informed that they're getting huge deliveries of such in every morning, and which by 10.30am will be available to purchase at till points ONLY [restricted to two per person] until stocks last.
So if you're able to get out and are near a Boots store, bear that in mind:cool:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
08-04-2020, 11:10
[QUOTE=guy;1179178]
Lots of dumb f--ks in town, so glad that I live in a village.
Yeah, but every village has an idiot, it's tradition. What, you don't know who your village idiot is? I don't know what to say :ner:
Only kidding mate - given the choice I'd rather be with the village people.
Pigmy Pony
08-04-2020, 11:14
Also having the alternate effect.
Your glass half empty again, mate? :) I too have noticed that there is a more friendly atmosphere for the most part.
Only kidding mate - given the choice I'd rather be with the village people.
Yes, and it'd give you a chance to wear that bondage gear.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
08-04-2020, 11:25
Don't need a reason, this is Chorley after all.
InThe Sticks
08-04-2020, 11:27
I live in a village so no big problem with distancing. When I walk the dog the nearest I have been to anyone must be about 20 metres - quite nice when I "meet" another dog walker, we both tend to change direction early on in the encounter and smile and wave. There seems to be a friendlier atmosphere.
Bloody awful experience a couple of days ago in a Supermarket in Ipswich though. I went out to get some fresh vegetables, milk etc (village farm shops have been emptied by people from town driving out here during the early stages of panic buying).
In the supermarket there was a group of six women gossiping/having a laugh at the end of one of the aisles, I stopped to look at the chocolate and a woman (wearing face mask, so she was ok :mental:) was impatient and bumped in to me as she stretched to get what she wanted.
At the checkout queue (clearly marked with distance warnings) the woman in front of me was only a foot or so behind the chap in front - he turned and, very politely, told her to keep her distance and she seemed to be offended that he should be concerned.
Lots of dumb f--ks in town, so glad that I live in a village.
On the way home I was being driven to distraction by the urge to scratch/rub all these strange itches on my face, managed to resist though.
As soon as I got in, clothes on hot wash and a very thorough shower.
I won't be going in to town again for quite some time.
Guy, try the Co-op in Capel, i've been twice in the last week or so, and they only let a few people in at one time and have everything apart from flour.
Cheers - flour is one of the basics that I want to get (my wife is an excellent baker, I can just about manage a cheese scone :().
I think that there must be a whole lot of people stockpiling flour who don't have the slightest idea what to do with it, let alone appreciate the there are different types :)
You just live too near to too many karnts!:D
Marco.
Quite true - I have met a few on parent evenings :eek:
Luckily (or through years of hard work), I live about eight miles outside of Ipswich and would normally only go in to town a couple of times per year - and then regret it :doh:
Made in 1968
08-04-2020, 12:04
We dont seem to have a shortage of anything at all in out stores apart from Pasta. I have always kept loads of pasta in anyway so could never be an issue for me.
Check this fucking tool who's out with his kayak:
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/moment-anglesey-farmer-confronts-jaguar-18075784
I'd have wrapped it round his neck!!:guns::guns:
Marco.
Made in 1968
10-04-2020, 17:59
Thats the shite you have to put up with. Ive gone off on one again with these dudes outside, Every single day they take the piss breaking the rules im on their case. Wish i could go near em. But it will soon be over & i shall bump into him without his mates.
You tell people to stop in the first thing they want to do is go out. They should have used reverse psychology and told everyone they had to stay outdoors in groups of three or more. Coughing on each other.
Ha - while that's funny, I have ZERO tolerance for folk who don't know how to do what they're TOLD, and like it, by those with the authority to enforce it!
Especially when what they're being told to do is reasonable, and most importantly could save lives. I sincerely hope his registration number is given to the police and he receives a hefty fine for his mind-numbingly stupid and selfish behaviour.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-04-2020, 19:45
Ha - while that's funny, I have ZERO tolerance for folk who don't know how to do what they're TOLD, and like it, by those with the authority to enforce it!
Especially when what they're being told to do is reasonable, and most importantly could save lives. I sincerely hope his registration number is given to the police and he receives a hefty fine for his mind-numbingly stupid and selfish behaviour.
Marco.
Problem is that no one believes the police will take any real action. It's like with knife crime - in spite of all the warnings of zero tolerance, offenders found to be carrying offensive weapons know that the judicial system can't be arsed, and the result will usually be a caution or something similarly feeble.
Trust me, if was in charge I'd hand-deliver the fucking fine, along with a big grin!;)
Marco.
mad-moon
11-04-2020, 00:41
what chance have we got when this fella:- Guilty or not guilty??
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/cabinet-minister-robert-jenrick-breaks-21844275
Pigmy Pony
11-04-2020, 06:40
Herefordshire to Shropshire is a fair old distance, and I can't believe there is no other way for his parents to get their supplies delivered. So I say guilty :(
prestonchipfryer
11-04-2020, 12:04
Next door have their grandchildren visiting, second time this week.
Four doors away have friends just turned up with bottles of booze. So that's okay is it? No it furcking well is not as I am now on my fourth furcking week of staying in.
How do their karnting minds work? Please someone tell me as I'm at a complete and utter loss why they think they are so special.
Furcking selfish twats! :rolleyes: Utter bastards.
Sat here listening to Supertramp's Asylum. That's where some of the arseholes should be.
walpurgis
11-04-2020, 12:13
Phone the boys in blue
Yup. They're taking the piss!
They should've set up a 24-hour 'snitch-line', for reporting karnts like that, to provide information for the police to act upon.
I'd make it an instant £500 fine, per person, for all non-compliant behaviour, enforced with ZERO tolerance! Then they'd start getting the message;)
Marco.
I agree, although I’d probably make it a grand. I can’t bear selfish idiots who think their individual rights eclipse their obligations to others. Maybe putting the army out there with live ammo would persuade some of the knob-heads.
Made in 1968
11-04-2020, 12:55
Next door have their grandchildren visiting, second time this week.
Four doors away have friends just turned up with bottles of booze. So that's okay is it? No it furcking well is not as I am now on my fourth furcking week of staying in.
How do their karnting minds work? Please someone tell me as I'm at a complete and utter loss why they think they are so special.
Furcking selfish twats! :rolleyes: Utter bastards.
Exactly the problem i have with that wanker a couple doors away from me with his mates round all the time boozing it up.
Have you reported them to the police? I would!
The bulk of the traffic police will have almost fuck all to do at the moment, other than a few guarding roadblocks to prevent unnecessary travel, so they could be helping to enforce the new rules regarding public socialising!
We don't have many immediate neighbours, as we're in a largely detached property, and the ones we've got are all behaving responsibly. If they weren't, they'd soon be 'hearing' me;)
Marco.
I agree, although I’d probably make it a grand. I can’t bear selfish idiots who think their individual rights eclipse their obligations to others. Maybe putting the army out there with live ammo would persuade some of the knob-heads.
Me neither, it ENRAGES me like you wouldn't believe... A grand then, as long as the extra £500 goes to all the NHS workers, who are a the 'coal face' dealing with the outcome of their selfish twattery.
Marco.
hay, i was out:D drove 100 yds to sons house to leave a birthday present at his gate, and pick up some food he got for me.... 200 yrds... is that ok;)
Lol - of course, as it comes under essential travel!:cool:
Marco.
lad was 41 today..:lol: old git
Made in 1968
11-04-2020, 13:42
Have you reported them to the police? I would!
The bulk of the traffic police will have almost fuck all to do just now, other than a few guarding roadblocks to prevent unnecessary travel, so they could be helping to enforce the new rules regarding public socialising!
We don't have many immediate neighbours, as we're in a largely detached property, and the ones we've got are all behaving responsibly. If they weren't, they'd soon be 'hearing' me;)
Marco.
Yep. Just does the same again later on.. One of his mates has not returned for a week and i know exactly why, He recognises me from a very famous Pub brawl in our village a couple years ago...
Cheers - flour is one of the basics that I want to get (my wife is an excellent baker, I can just about manage a cheese scone :().
I think that there must be a whole lot of people stockpiling flour who don't have the slightest idea what to do with it, let alone appreciate the there are different types :)
Guy , I believe myself ,that a lot of people are trying their hand at making bread ! This involves having a couple or three bags to be going on with and being confident of getting some more (Strong bread flour)
As I see it ,the supermarkets sold a pallet of flour say , once a week for example but now see a demand up by god knows how many % .
And the buyers will make sure they have a really good stock or buy a bag oor two for someone else maybe !
My son was perusing Fleabay yesterday - a big bag of flour was at £28 or something with a day to go - The twats selling it want visiting and slamming their fingers in the door jamb .
Barstewards
Me neither, it ENRAGES me like you wouldn't believe... A grand then, as long as the extra £500 goes to all the NHS workers, who are a the 'coal face' dealing with the outcome of their selfish twattery.
Marco.
Here in the U.S. the rights of the Individual is celebrated, Yet it is wise to know when to put others first. Personal freedom comes with the responsibility of doing the right thing in the right time.
Young people lack wisdom so it is up to the elder generations to gently kick their a**es straight from time to time.
OOPS, captured the wrong quote! Sorry ! I meant to grab the one about young people not staying inside.
I am getting senile ! Honey I need a coffee!
You do get some muppets about. Today missus was looking round sheep n lambs to find 5 family members wandering around with a dog off the leash 2nd time since lockdown. We dont know them so they are not local. Bad enough time of year for us without the worry of dogs buggering every thing up.
Needless to say she gave them a right piece of her mind from a safe distance and doubt they will return.
Here in the U.S. the rights of the Individual is celebrated, Yet it is wise to know when to put others first. Personal freedom comes with the responsibility of doing the right thing in the right time.
Young people lack wisdom so it is up to the elder generations to gently kick their a**es straight from time to time.
OOPS, captured the wrong quote! Sorry ! I meant to grab the one about young people not staying inside.
I am getting senile ! Honey I need a coffee!
Lol.... Hope you guys are well over there, dude! Has Conner got plenty of choccy eggs to enjoy? Happy Easter:)
Marco.
You do get some muppets about. Today missus was looking round sheep n lambs to find 5 family members wandering around with a dog off the leash 2nd time since lockdown. We dont know them so they are not local. Bad enough time of year for us without the worry of dogs buggering every thing up.
Needless to say she gave them a right piece of her mind from a safe distance and doubt they will return.
Last thing you need when there are sheep in the field -never mind the corona risks- keep safe Pete
Tim Brooke Taylor dies of Coronavirus...
https://youtu.be/VKHFZBUTA4k?t=48
Made in 1968
12-04-2020, 14:47
O dear :(
AJSki2fly
12-04-2020, 16:00
Shame about Tim Brooke-Taylor, I loved the Goodies.
Maybe not at the same level of humour but here is Sue's offering today try and cheer people up:)
https://youtu.be/ljWipRFsB34
Lol.... Hope you guys are well over there, dude! Has Conner got plenty of choccy eggs to enjoy? Happy Easter:)
Marco.
Yah, all is well he is munching on a chocolate rabbit . Today is his mile run with a parachute on his back so just the ears till later tonight.
We just stay inside, and only go to the field when no one else is there. What are you guys doing for Easter?
A SWIG OF WHISTLE PIG A DAY KEEPS CORONA AWAY. https://whistlepigwhiskey.com/whiskeys/
Lol.... Hope you guys are well over there, dude! Has Conner got plenty of choccy eggs to enjoy? Happy Easter:)
Marco.
How do I keep duplicating ?
Shame about Tim Brooke-Taylor, I loved the Goodies.
Me too, very sad. :(
Maybe not at the same level of humour but here is Sue's offering today try and cheer people up:)
:) When it first started i was so hoping you would segue into "Living in a Box"! :lol: Well done!
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2020, 08:26
Shame about Tim Brooke-Taylor, I loved the Goodies.
Maybe not at the same level of humour but here is Sue's offering today try and cheer people up:)
https://youtu.be/ljWipRFsB34
So you finally abandoned your DIY speaker project then. good to see you and Sue found a use for the cabinets :)
Uncanny really, as I type this "Car Wash" has just come on the radio ;)
walpurgis
13-04-2020, 08:43
Surviving or avoiding Coronavirus is one thing, but I want to know who's to blame for all this shit! If you follow the Covid-19 trail right back to where it all started, there has to be a decision and an act by one individual that sparked the whole thing off! Probably enabled or prompted by their circumstances at the time, but we have a right to know!!
We never will no doubt.
.
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2020, 09:18
Tinternet is full of conspiracy theories, just find one that feels like a good fit :)
The latest one I read places the blame firmly with the Chinese government, accusing them of deliberately wrecking the western world's economy. And some of the points it makes are entirely plausible.
hifi_dave
13-04-2020, 09:19
I thought that was pretty well confirmed as it started in a market in Wuhan ? Apparently, the locals like to eat Bats or use them in traditional medicine and those animals carry it.
What didn't help was that the disease was classified as a 'moderate threat' and so the proper precautions weren't taken, allowing the disease to spread.
walpurgis
13-04-2020, 09:34
The latest one I read places the blame firmly with the Chinese government, accusing them of deliberately wrecking the western world's economy. And some of the points it makes are entirely plausible.
Not realistic though is it? The west is their 'cash cow' and this situation is devastating the Chinese economy as much as any other.
walpurgis
13-04-2020, 09:35
I thought that was pretty well confirmed as it started in a market in Wuhan ?
That wasn't the question.
AJSki2fly
13-04-2020, 09:36
Surviving or avoiding Coronavirus is one thing, but I want to know who's to blame for all this shit! If you follow the Covid-19 trail right back to where it all started, there has to be a decisions and an act by one individual that sparked the whole thing off! Probably enabled or prompted by their circumstances at the time, but we have a right to know!!
We never will no doubt.
.
I saw some info on the net about a month ago (strangely it can no longer be found), what I mean is was on the WWW from a reasonably reliable source, it reported that two scientists working in a Microbiological research centre only 400m from the Seafood Market centre in Wuhan, where it was reported the virus originated, had released information that they were working on a engineered derivation of a Coronavirus taken from Horseshoe Bats and Pangolins. The scientists inferred they were looking into mutations with the SARs virus. They said that they knew what they were doing was highly dangerous and one of them had been infected through a scratch from an infected bat (with the new coronavirus), he self isolated and recovered after 14 days, the other scientist became infected through a urine spillage and also self isolated, it was not clear what became of him. There were photos and interviews with them as well as written text. Also on a WHO related technical medical web site which examines what the COVID-19 is and its likely source is, it reports on extreme similarities between the original SAR virus and the current Coronavirus outbreak. The Microbiological research centre in Wuhan was also sited back in the SARs outbreak as the most likely source of its outbreak 2002-2004.
CNN quote"- "In late December, Wuhan reported the first cases of the coronavirus, linked by authorities to a seafood market in the city. Scientists in China and the West have said the virus is likely to have originated in bats and jumped to humans from an intermediate host -- just like its cousin that caused the SARS epidemic in 2002 and 2003." see https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html as can be seen from this report and others widely available CV-19 information now going out of China is seen to being very carefully controlled and managed.
So this is the most meaningful information that I have seen to date. It has also been reported that if the scientists in China were doing as they reported then itwould be very likely that they hold the code and possible key to getting a satisfactory vaccine to slow or halt the virus. However it may be that if they did create it then they may may have created a super virus that is not at all easy to stop, a bit like trying to find cure a common cold. :doh::doh:
By the way I meant to say that there are a couple of trains of thought that the virus was deliberately being developed to be released. Firstly to put a stop to the many riots of civil unrest that the ruling body in China was facing and could not get under control without sending in troops, which was likely to result in a civil war. Secondly China is facing a massive social and political issue on a massive scale with about 25% of it population reaching the over 60's age very soon, the burden on its infrastructure financially and medically will be vast, so if you could easily eradicate this problem then the country would continue to evolve and prosper, a very cynical one this, but that human race has done some appalling things throughout its history.
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2020, 10:03
Not realistic though is it? The west is their 'cash cow' and this situation is devastating the Chinese economy as much as any other.
I don't know, Chinese products are already more affordable than most. And when all our manufacturing has gone down the toilet, or just hanging on by their fingernails, and with the economy down the same toilet, not only will Chinese goods be the cheaper option, they will be the ONLY option.
Anyway, that's as much as I can say on the subject as world economies isn't my forte, and this particular conspiracy theory isn't one I embrace. Just repeating what I read.
walpurgis
13-04-2020, 10:05
It has also been reported that if the scientists in China were doing as they reported then itwould be very likely that they hold the code and possible key to getting a satisfactory vaccine to slow or halt the virus
That is the thing now. Unless they have had the virus and recovered, nobody is safe and you can't assume that normally enjoying good health is any kind of protection.
The whole uninfected population will need vaccination or thousands, maybe millions more will die, as this virus is unlikely to just fizzle out.
An acceptably safe vaccine is probably many months or more away on the distant horizon and even once administered, individuals will not be safe for weeks afterwards until it becomes effective.
We are all in a sort of limbo.
Pigmy Pony
13-04-2020, 10:08
Surviving or avoiding Coronavirus is one thing, but I want to know who's to blame for all this shit! If you follow the Covid-19 trail right back to where it all started, there has to be a decision and an act by one individual that sparked the whole thing off! Probably enabled or prompted by their circumstances at the time, but we have a right to know!!
We never will no doubt.
.
Reading this post again, it does look like you might have a theory of your own? If you do I'm confident it will be better than most of the cack on Tinternet :)
walpurgis
13-04-2020, 10:24
Reading this post again, it does look like you might have a theory of your own? If you do I'm confident it will be better than most of the cack on Tinternet :)
Only that it must boil down to something done by one person. A bit like the actions of Gavrilo Princip, ultimately triggering WW1.
Reading this post again, it does look like you might have a theory of your own? If you do I'm confident it will be better than most of the cack on Tinternet :)
I certainly have! But I'm saying nothing until I see how long this lockdown goes on for, and crucially, how the world we're living in THEN differs from what we knew before it (and this pandemic);)
In the meantime, others and you might like to read this article, as it may get you thinking about something that for mankind (and life as we know it) is fundamentally important: https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75
Our future FREEDOM.
Marco.
AJSki2fly
13-04-2020, 11:33
I certainly have! But I'm saying nothing until I see how long this lockdown goes on for, and crucially, how the world we're living in THEN differs from what we knew before it (and this pandemic);)
In the meantime, others and you might like to read this article, as it may get you thinking about something that for mankind (and life as we know it) is fundamentally important: https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75
Marco.
An interesting article, but I think that Genie is already out the bottle from a technical point of view.
The article imho is slightly naive, for instance it fails to consider just how MI5/MI6 have been able to track and listen in to who they want to at will and have been able to for several years with modern technology in mobile phones and other devices, obviously primarily aimed at security, or we hope so.
If you want remain off grid as I have said before you need to turn every device off that has a modern microprocessor chip in it with mobile or internet capabilities in your possession, and stop using the internet. Not very feasible nowadays the way society is organised, Aldus Huxley’s ‘Brave New World’ is already upon us I think.
walpurgis
14-04-2020, 08:16
A vaccine?
When and if a Covid-19 vaccine is developed, it will be a long time before it is available to all. Some groups will undoubtedly be prioritised and government members will no doubt feature high on the list (but this may be kept as quiet as possible). Health workers and essential service providers should obviously need this, then there's the public at large, who will have to take their turn (and their chances). Probably last will be pensioners and retired folk, along with care home patients and those sick with other conditions.
I see an eventual situation where we will all need vaccinating, as we will all be exposed to this disease sooner or later, but we are probably looking at years, not months.
Was reading somewhere that if this virus had appeared around 5 years ago a vaccine would have taken about 20 years to produce. Thankfully now it seems 12- 18 months away, due to advance in science/ medicine. Hopefully ?
walpurgis
14-04-2020, 08:53
Interesting BBC TV report from a member of the ONS this morning. He said Flu deaths this year are very high and implied that many were really Coronavirus victims. Up from about 10,000 to around 16,000. The implication perhaps, being that a proportion of the casualties are being deliberately 'misreported' as Influenza!
An interesting article, but I think that Genie is already out the bottle from a technical point of view.
The article imho is slightly naive, for instance it fails to consider just how MI5/MI6 have been able to track and listen in to who they want to at will and have been able to for several years with modern technology in mobile phones and other devices, obviously primarily aimed at security, or we hope so.
If you want remain off grid as I have said before you need to turn every device off that has a modern microprocessor chip in it with mobile or internet capabilities in your possession, and stop using the internet. Not very feasible nowadays the way society is organised, Aldus Huxley’s ‘Brave New World’ is already upon us I think.
Yup, just something to consider, Adrian. I'm fiercely anti-establishment and, in terms of importance, value my freedom second only to my health.
Therefore, virus aside, I will be watching very carefully how things pan out when the lockdown has ended, and crucially for the remainder of the year, plus in the coming years ahead, to see what longterm impact this pandemic will have on our basic human rights, as I don't trust 'the powers that be' one iota! :nono:
I will NOT be spied upon, manipulated, controlled or turned simply into a 'number'. I'd lead a people's revolution long before that happened:trust:
You're of course right about the 'off-grid' thing, but it's simply about being so, as far as possible, based on your individual circumstances. In my situation, I could relatively easily go almost completely off-grid, as I'm not *totally dependent* or reliant on 'tech', as I haven't allowed Smart devices, particularly Smartphones, to dominate or control my life, although life would be duller without access to the internet, and of course posting on here!:)
Anyway, this is an interesting article from the BBC, drilling down into the death toll figures of the virus: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
What's particularly interesting for me is this bit, especially as it's come from a mainstream establishment source:
Is coronavirus causing the deaths?
The death figures being reported daily are hospital cases where a person dies with the coronavirus infection in their body - because it is a notifiable disease cases have to be reported.
But what the figures do not tell us is to what extent the virus is causing the death.
It could be the major cause, a contributory factor or simply present when they are dying of something else.
Most people who die with coronavirus have an underlying health condition, such as heart disease or diabetes, that may be more of a factor.
The emboldened parts are something that resonate with me, as indeed they should for anyone of a mind to question the ACTUAL impact of COVID-19 in the death figures, and why those figures may be being exaggerated...
Marco.
Interesting BBC TV report from a member of the ONS this morning. He said Flu deaths this year are very high and implied that many were really Coronavirus victims. Up from about 10,000 to around 16,000. The implication perhaps, being that a proportion of the casualties are being deliberately 'misreported' as Influenza!
Lol - interesting take on things, Geoff... Mine is somewhat different, using the same source. See my last post!:)
Marco.
Another interesting aspect, are Apps that have sprung up in the wake of the outbreak..
After the Surveilance mechanisms were put in place after 9/11 (and later exposed by Edward Snowdon) I think we need to tread very carefully here.
Like anything Tech, it has the potential for benefit or to be exploited.
Couple of Articles to dip into.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/nhs-coronavirus-app-memo-discussed-giving-ministers-power-to-de-anonymise-users
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/smartphones-could-help-track-coronavirus-but-at-what-cost
Interesting, Gaz. I'll take a look at those:thumbsup:
Basically, what we have to be very aware of, and guard against, is the powers that be using this pandemic as an opportunity to spy on us more and erode or remove our basic human rights and FREEDOM, simply by using FEAR to control us! And the forthcoming vaccine could prove key to that....
The erosion of our human rights is often carried out (by those with an agenda/powers that be) in small, evermore 'justifiable' steps, so as to go relatively unnoticed.... My view? When this lockdown is over, and while you're still able, think very carefully about relinquishing *any* aspect of your human rights.
In that respect, let's see what in the short (and longterm) they try to 'justify' as becoming the norm!
Marco.
AJSki2fly
14-04-2020, 10:03
Yup, just something to consider, Adrian. I'm fiercely anti-establishment and, in terms of importance, value my freedom second only to my health.
Therefore, virus aside, I will be watching very carefully how things pan out when the lockdown has ended, and crucially for the remainder of the year, plus in the coming years ahead, to see what longterm impact this pandemic will have on our basic human rights, as I don't trust 'the powers that be' one iota! :nono:
I will NOT be spied upon, manipulated, controlled or turned simply into a 'number'. I'd lead a people's revolution before that happened:trust:
You're of course right about the 'off-grid' thing, but it's simply about being so, as far as possible, based on your individual circumstances. In my situation, I could relatively easily go almost completely off-grid, as I'm not *totally dependent* or reliant on 'tech', as I haven't allowed Smart devices, particularly Smartphones, to dominate or control my life, although life would be duller without access to the internet, and of course posting on here!:)
Anyway, this is an interesting article from the BBC, drilling down into the death toll figures of the virus: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
What's particularly interesting for me is this bit, especially as it's come from a mainstream establishment source:
The emboldened parts are something that resonate with me, as indeed they should for anyone of a mind to question the ACTUAL impact of COVID-19 in the death figures, and why those figures may being exaggerated...
Marco.
Well on the figures front, there are around 23k care home in the uk and if we take some basic figures and assumptions this is imo how the real figures from CV19 deaths are likely to be.
Average number of residents in rack 30 so total about 600k (I think this is conservative) likely more near 1 million.
So based on government published stats 13.5% of over 70s if they get CV19 will die. Most in care homes for elderly are well over this.
Major care home providers are reporting 2/3 of their homes have CV19, so I think it safe to assume this will rise in coming weeks to around 80%. They are also report near 100% death rate of those that get it in care.
So I will take the middle ground 600k * 80% of care home affected is 480k of which we will look at it from two points of view.
If 25% get it and on government stats 13.5% die it will be around 16k die in care from cv19. However I believe this assumes treatment to maintain life, but the reality is that is not happening, and in fact in certain areas GPS are even refusing to go into care homes, and elderly cv19 patients are being sent back from hospitals to care homes.
So based on this the death rate is likely to be much higher as will be the infection rate in care homes.
So we will still go for 120k infected but I think the reality will be at least 50% death rate, so that gives the horrible figure of 60k deaths from care homes.
I personally think it will be more, for the government it is a political nightmare and there has even been today some very clever ducking, diving and avoidance by a minister of the questions being raised on BBC Radio 4 about this. I suspect the a hardened attitude is about to come out, along the lines that we can only help those that are likely to survive, the question of future worth to community will be avoided at all cost, because ethically and morally it may cause extreme unrest by some.
I know this stuff is happening, Sue best friends father 84, was rushed to hospital with heart complications from long term diabetes last Wednesday. He was in a normal ward after 1 day a chap at the other end o the ward tested positive for Cv19. Derek was moved into a private room as he is high risk and told he would be there for 7 days to isolate, and then he would be sent home once he tested clear. 4 days later they told his daughter to come and get him and take him home to isolate at home, no cv10 test done before hand and no protection given to his daughter. So if he has contracted cv19 which takes 7 -14 days to incubate, he may well have infected his daughter a will possibly infect his wife, by the way Derek and his wife have both been told to shield for 12 weeks for medical reasons. Dereks wife was a ward sister in the nhs for 40 years, Derek was in the Navy for 30 years and served in several conflicts but seems their dedication means nothing now as it seems is the same for many others.
Personally I am absolutely disgusted by what appears to happening. Give it 4-6 weeks and the isolation will be gone and the government will have its nightingale hospitals in place for the 2nd and 3Rd wave of cv19 infections that are deemed worth saving.
anthonyTD
14-04-2020, 10:13
Lets just get it over with; just accept the chip,:eek: all your details from birth to present will be easily accessed by those who need it, ;) so you wont need to go to the bother of even swiping your credit card, you just walk around the store, pick all your shopping, and its taken directly from your credits on your chip, when you go into the Doctors,or hospital, no need to sign in, or to tell anyone your there, they will know as soon as you walk through the door, same with public transport etc. No need for Alternative Dirty Filthy physical money anymore, infact no need for any physical monetry system full stop, remember you have the chip now, everything's ok, just make sure you behave! :eyebrows:
walpurgis
14-04-2020, 10:16
And wear your tinfoil hat at all times! :D
Hi Adrian,
Sure, I get all that and think you're right, in terms of the overall death figures, and especially cases, which I believe are BOTH being grossly understated, or in some cases numbers 'massaged'...
However, for me, in terms of the latter, the question is how many of those old folks in homes, and others not so old, with already underlying serious health conditions, would've DIED ANYWAY, regardless of COVID-19, or which the virus merely accelerated, *yet* are showing up on stats for deaths caused SOLELY by the virus?
What we *need* to know, is how many of the (currently 11k+) quoted deaths in the UK (and worldwide) were directly caused by this virus, and not something else? And I'm not even sure the tests currently being undertaken are suitably accurate to determine that...
What about the fact that vulnerable people (or their parents/guardians), young or old, were being asked by GPs to sign 'Do Not Resuscitate' forms, should they or their loved ones catch the virus, and so that if they die *most likely from their underlying potentially fatal condition*, regardless the cause of death is stated as being COVID-19 : https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vulnerable-kids-parents-covid-coronavirus-21852510
Look at the case of that little boy with cancer. It's disgraceful... So one wonders what EXACTLY was the motive behind that decision...? A lack of beds to look after the sick? Come on! Even putting that aside, for me, deaths DIRECTLY RELATED to COVID-19 [I must stress that bit] are being *deliberately exaggerated*, in order to enable authorities to impose control.
And they'll successfully impose that control [indeed they're doing it now] through creating panic, FEAR, and DESPERATION, and making people think: 'I'll do *anything* to end this lockdown', get out of my house and return to 'normality', which is exactly how the powers that be want them to feel, in order to enable them to push through [or try to push through, if we allow it] their agenda.
Now, what that agenda is (should it exist, and I'm convinced it does), depends on your view of this whole situation. But when you're DESPERATE to escape from being placed under what is effectively House Arrest, and experiencing the effects of an evermore extended suspension of democracy, you're extremely susceptible to being manipulated and controlled by those in power, who are making all the decisions.
In terms of what that agenda is, I believe that there's some truth in the article I linked to earlier, and therefore the possible outcome of all this - or at least us taking another significant *step* closer towards it... THAT is why the death figures from COVID-19, currently being produced by the government, need SCRUTINISED and CHALLENGED MORE, rather than merely blindly accepted!
Only then, when in possession of the TRUE FACTS, can we analyse the situation we're in now more rationally, and make the RIGHT decisions for MANKIND, nothing else. However, unfortunately that simply isn't happening - and if we don't wake up and smell the coffee soon, I believe it'll be to our serious detriment - or worse.
Marco.
Lets just get it over with; just accept the chip,:eek: all your details from birth to present will be easily accessed by those who need it, ;) so you wont need to go to the bother of even swiping your credit card, you just walk around the store, pick all your shopping, and its taken directly from your credits on your chip, when you go into the Doctors,or hospital, no need to sign in, or to tell anyone your there, they will know as soon as you walk through the door, same with public transport etc. No need for Alternative Dirty Filthy physical money anymore, infact no need for any physical monetry system full stop, remember you have the chip now, everything's ok, just make sure you behave! :eyebrows:
Titter yer not... ;)
Marco.
AJSki2fly
14-04-2020, 11:50
Hi Adrian,
Sure, I get all that and think you're right, in terms of the overall death figures, and especially cases, which for me are both being grossly understated, or in some cases numbers 'massaged'...
However, for me, the question is how many of those old folks in homes, and others not so old, with already underlying serious health conditions would've DIED ANYWAY, regardless of COVID-19, *yet* are showing up on stats for deaths SOLELY related to this virus?
What we *need* to know, is how many of the (currently 11k+) quoted deaths in the UK (and worldwide) were directly caused by this virus, and not something else? And I'm not even sure the tests being undertaken are suitably accurate to determine that...
What about the fact that vulnerable people (or their parents), young or old, are being asked by GPs to sign 'Do Not Resuscitate' forms, should they catch the virus, so if they die *most likely from their underlying potentially fatal condition*, the cause of death regardless is stated as being from COVID-19 : https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vulnerable-kids-parents-covid-coronavirus-21852510
Look at the case of that little boy. It's disgraceful... So one wonders what EXACTLY was the motive behind that decision...? A lack of beds to look after the sick? Come on!
Even putting that aside, for me, deaths DIRECTLY RELATED to COVID-19 [I must stress that bit] are being deliberately exaggerated, thus creating panic, FEAR, and DESPERATION in people [thinking I'll do *anything* to end this lockdown, get out of my house and return my life to 'normal', which is exactly how they want you to feel], in order to enable the powers that be to push through [or try to push through, if we allow it] an agenda.
Now, what that agenda is, depends on your views on this whole situation. However, I believe that there's some truth in the article I linked to earlier, and the possible outcome of all this - or at least us taking another *significant step* closer towards it...
And THAT is why the death figures currently being produced by our authorities need scrutinised more and CHALLENGED, rather than merely blindly accepted!
Marco.
Well I am not so sure that they are actually being exaggerated, I am more of the opinion that they are being massaged and actually suppressed wherever possible. The figure in China have definitely been falsely lower to reflect that they have managed and got control, but I think that is far from the truth.
I suspect the government here and in other countries is carefully managing the figure to actually stop panic and situation developing that they are then unable to control.
I think as I said before they are preparing for multiple waves of cv19 and are preparing to manage resources to fight it where they believe it is best put.
walpurgis
14-04-2020, 12:03
Any semblance of things being 'under control' is a facade.
The only thing that is having a limited effect is the lockdown and when that is removed the infections and deaths will rocket again and there is nothing the powers that be will be able to do to stop it.
They are in a panic, but naturally will take a leaf out of Trump's book and use misdirection, misinformation and plain lies to perpetuate their game of 'smoke & mirrors'.
I take nothing that has been said at face value, governments lie!!
As a well known but fictional figure said, "everybody lies".
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2020, 12:03
Lets just get it over with; just accept the chip,:eek: all your details from birth to present will be easily accessed by those who need it, ;) so you wont need to go to the bother of even swiping your credit card, you just walk around the store, pick all your shopping, and its taken directly from your credits on your chip, when you go into the Doctors,or hospital, no need to sign in, or to tell anyone your there, they will know as soon as you walk through the door, same with public transport etc. No need for Alternative Dirty Filthy physical money anymore, infact no need for any physical monetry system full stop, remember you have the chip now, everything's ok, just make sure you behave! :eyebrows:
Will we still get next day delivery?
anthonyTD
14-04-2020, 13:03
:lol::D
Will we still get next day delivery?
Will we still get next day delivery?
I believe only on orders of 'electronic stimulation devices' and edible panties, currently reduced by 50% in Ann Summers, in order to relieve lockdown boredom for ladies. So Anita and her girlfriends will be ok;)
Marco.
anthonyTD
14-04-2020, 13:19
Jigsaw's too apparently!:eyebrows:
I believe only on orders of 'electronic stimulation devices' and edible panties, currently reduced by 50% in Ann Summers, in order to relieve lockdown boredom for ladies. So Anita and her girlfriends will be ok;)
Marco.
Jigsaw's too apparently!:eyebrows:
Yes, the 1000-piece ones of unfeasibly large male appendages, which apparently are best sellers among women of 'a certain age'!:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
14-04-2020, 14:05
Yes, the 1000-piece ones of unfeasibly large male appendages, which apparently are best sellers among ladies of 'a certain age'!:D
Marco.
There's a 5000 piece jigsaw of mine if anyone's interested. Not available in Wrexham though, where the shelves have been stripped bare :(
(Much) more seriously........
...and in reference to the powers that be, or 'Big Brother', being able to impose more control and authority, as a result of Coronavirus , see here: https: www.aol.co.uk/living/2020/04/14/covid-19-man-wrongly-convicted-under-coronavirus-act/?ncid=webmail
From the article:
The Coronavirus Act, which came into force last month, allows officers to remove or detain a "suspected infectious person" for screening and assessment with "reasonable force" if necessary.
Come again?? And *exactly* HOW would police officers know whether someone is an "infectious person" or not - because they've got a cough, or maybe they just 'look funny'...!??:doh::rolleyes:
As you can see, the imposition of more control is *already* happening with the introduction of this 'Coronavirus Law', and which is ALREADY being misused by our authorities!
This group was mentioned in the article, and I've now joined up: https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/ The following section is particularly relevant to us: https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/freespeechonline/
Sign up or subscribe if you believe in FREE SPEECH ONLINE, fighting establishment control, SUPPORT FREEDOM and FREE-THINKING, and wish to PREVENT the erosion of your civil liberties!
:yesbruv::yesbruv:
Marco.
I would *seriously recommend* everyone to watch the following videos taken from a live TV show, about placing too much faith in technology, as this lady talks A LOT of sense:
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/2020/03/bbc-we-are-at-great-risk-of-becoming-a-surveillance-state-video/
...and it's something I've been banging on about for AGES!!
Then click on the following link [and most importantly the BBC video halfway down the page, showing an innocent man who was given a £90 fine just for covering up his face!:eek:]:
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/stop-facial-recognition/#take-action
Marco.
AJSki2fly
14-04-2020, 15:24
Some interesting stuff there Marco.
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For those that do not know, if you find that you need to apply for say JSA, ESA, Universal Credit or any other benefit for that matter, you have to supply bank account details for the payments to be made, at the point of doing that it means you have given the D W P and other government departments the right to monitor and access your bank account and any others you may have. This means they can see what money you have, what you spend it on and any payments that may go in and out.
I have been told of instances where valid claimants are called and asked why they are making specific payments and for what purpose, and how any additional funds may have come to an account. So for example if someone sold an item and money came in then they would want to know about it. If this was viewed as a regular occurrence then they may make a case to deem the individual as self employed with obvious implications, not that the person was having to raise funds to try and survive.
Obviously the purpose of this is to try and stop fraudulent claims to be made by individuals, but it can quite easily be viewed another way.
...such as being misused by 'the powers that be', in order to further their agenda and move us closer towards becoming a Police State; indeed controlled by the State, period!
Therefore, the question we should all be asking ourselves is: do we want to end up like China? Or perhaps living somewhere worse in future??
And if we don't do something about it NOW, and FIGHT to protect our civil liberties, then it may become a reality sooner than we think! This, my friends, is not a time for being apathetic towards such matters, or worse, burying our heads in the sand because reality is too scary to contemplate!
Marco.
Well I am not so sure that they are actually being exaggerated, I am more of the opinion that they are being massaged and actually suppressed wherever possible.
Yes, perhaps massaged and suppressed to hide the true number of overall cases, and deaths (due to *whatever*, not necessarily caused solely by COVID-19), in order to give the impression that the government has things 'under control', but which then makes the situation look MUCH worse [i.e. the virus much deadlier] when they *deliberately exaggerate* the number of deaths, supposedly SOLELY caused by COVID-19, in order to CREATE FEAR, then use *that* as a weapon to control people, effectively by now having JUSTIFIED extending the lockdown....
You just need to apply some lateral thinking;)
The fact is, people are very easily manipulated and controlled when they're in fear for their lives... Then observe later for where the vaccine plays its part, which in the news this evening is being suggested as being available as early as September. Then watch for the next *step* (towards the 'grand plan' of the powers that be): the vaccine becoming MANDATORY, in order to travel....
I'm not saying I'm right, but it's something worth considering, rather than just automatically swallowing as true everything that we're being fed about this pandemic by the government and media, especially when you consider WHO is pulling their strings...
Sometimes it pays to have a sceptical or inquiring mind, and thus the ability to question and challenge the 'accepted norm'.
Marco.
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