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Scottish numbers: 16 October 2021
Summary
2,581 new cases of COVID-19 reported
28,984 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
9.5% of these were positive
21 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
47 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
841 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,282,132 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,875,966 have received their second dose
Situation in France:
7,085,274 confirmed cases. 4,889 since yesterday.
117,260 deaths in hospitals. 15 in the last 24 hours.
1.1% positive tests in the last 7 days
50,780,417 people have had 1st vaccine injection.
1,305 hospitalisations in the last 7 days
310 in intensive care (238 in the last week).
Serious.
Not great Kevin.
Not great, but France is a big place.
I am being positive about remaining negative.
Pigmy Pony
17-10-2021, 08:27
Similar population to UK. So it would appear that figures aren't massively different, regardless of what measures are implemented.
Italy is to make it compulsory for all workers to have a Covid "green pass" - proof of vaccination, a negative test or recovery from the virus.
The measures are a first for Europe and some of the strictest in the world.
Anyone without a pass will reportedly face suspension from work and may have their pay stopped after five days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58590187
Similar population to UK. So it would appear that figures aren't massively different, regardless of what measures are implemented.
True, but the movement of people is hard to control. I would also say that France were behind the U.K. in terms of the vaccination roll out.
Italy is to make it compulsory for all workers to have a Covid "green pass" - proof of vaccination, a negative test or recovery from the virus.
The measures are a first for Europe and some of the strictest in the world.
Anyone without a pass will reportedly face suspension from work and may have their pay stopped after five days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58590187
i saw that the other day. 80% agree apparently. not sure i do. not sure it will work either.
boris wants all gas boilers gone by 2035 too, and folk to use ground source or hydrogen boilers etc.. yeah thats gonna work too
Pigmy Pony
17-10-2021, 09:35
Italy is to make it compulsory for all workers to have a Covid "green pass" - proof of vaccination, a negative test or recovery from the virus.
The measures are a first for Europe and some of the strictest in the world.
Anyone without a pass will reportedly face suspension from work and may have their pay stopped after five days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58590187
What do you think about that Marco? :D Not so bad over here eh
i saw that the other day. 80% agree apparently. not sure i do. not sure it will work either.
boris wants all gas boilers gone by 2035 too, and folk to use ground source or hydrogen boilers etc.. yeah thats gonna work too
You can use air source heat pumps as well. We have one, and it works well.
You can use air source heat pumps as well. We have one, and it works well.
yes and biomass, but how we are going to do them all(30m) in 10 yrs or so is anyones guess, or afford it. plus up here in the baltics, im betting they wont keep you very warm.
its a bit of boris nonsense that he can wave about at cop26.
Plumbers reckon it will take over 100 years
Stryder5
17-10-2021, 12:31
yes and biomass, but how we are going to do them all(30m) in 10 yrs or so is anyones guess, or afford it. plus up here in the baltics, im betting they wont keep you very warm.
its a bit of boris nonsense that he can wave about at cop26.
Plumbers reckon it will take over 100 years
Boris will cop out!
Gary
Scottish numbers: 17 October 2021
Summary
2,666 new cases of COVID-19 reported
27,944 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
10.0% of these were positive
2 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
45 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
829 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,286,044 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,877,849 have received their second dose
still around same ballpark. 7.5 to 10.5% of tests.
deaths not available but they have been running at about 30 a day.
Pigmy Pony
17-10-2021, 17:08
yes and biomass, but how we are going to do them all(30m) in 10 yrs or so is anyones guess, or afford it. plus up here in the baltics, im betting they wont keep you very warm.
its a bit of boris nonsense that he can wave about at cop26.
Plumbers reckon it will take over 100 years
Typical plumbers... I can just imagine your plumber sucking air through his teeth and saying "Well I can do it, but it'll take over 100 years" to justify his quote ;)
Typical plumbers... I can just imagine your plumber sucking air through his teeth and saying "Well I can do it, but it'll take over 100 years" to justify his quote ;)
lol.. and that is if he orders it today..... which he wont:ner:
Pigmy Pony
17-10-2021, 17:29
lol.. and that is if he orders it today..... which he wont:ner:
:D I just don't think he'd want the job - by the time it's done and his great great grandson gets paid, the quote won't even buy a single dilithium crystal for his flying car :(
Missed Saturday's figures, as I was down in Birmingham, so yesterday in the UK (with Friday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 45,140 (44,932).
Deaths: 57 (145).
Hospitalisations: 915 (827).
So... Not good news, in terms of notable rises continuing with new cases and hospitalisations. The latter was simply inevitable, considering the continuing rise of the former. Apparently, the majority of new cases is in the 12-15 age group, so with half-term approaching, that may help knock things on the head. Deaths, as we know, are artificially low, due to it being a Sunday.
We'll see later what today brings.
In Wales yesterday (with Friday's figures shown in brackets below):
New cases: 2,965 (3,130).
Deaths: 10 (18).
Marco.
yes and biomass, but how we are going to do them all(30m) in 10 yrs or so is anyones guess, or afford it. plus up here in the baltics, im betting they wont keep you very warm.
its a bit of boris nonsense that he can wave about at cop26.
Plumbers reckon it will take over 100 years
Get yourself a wood burner and a good axe (I have both), as trees won't go out fashion:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
modern stoves are a big improvement particulate wise.. ecoburn i think? summat like that.. and wood has to be no higher than 20% moisture now.
Indeed... We only burn seasoned hardwood, and have the log store full for winter, for lots of dark cosy nights in... If I can get past Gilbert for a cuddle!:D
Marco.
My old man used to call male dancers on the telly 'Gilberts.'
No idea of the origin of that.
Hahaha... That's funny! In this case, it's simply Del's fav teddy/soft toy.
Marco.
Scottish numbers: 18 October 2021
Summary
2,194 new cases of COVID-19 reported
20,113 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
11.5% of these were positive
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (Noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
44 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
857 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,289,119 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,879,942 have received their second dose
cases up to over 11%.. no deaths reported but will probably be in tomorrows.
Today in the UK (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 49,156 (45,140).
Deaths: 45 (57).
Hospitalisations: 915 (915).
So... The bad news continues in terms of rising new cases and hospitalisations, the latter figure which hasn't yet been updated from yesterday. Clearly, the UK is in the middle of a spike in infections. Perhaps it's best coming now, than in December? We'll see where we are tomorrow with the usual 'Tuesday hike'.
In Wales (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below):
New cases: 6,398 (2,965).
Deaths: 20 (10).
Certainly not any better news in Wales! New cases as high as they're been during this wave.
Marco.
Bksabath
18-10-2021, 18:29
What do you think about that Marco? :D Not so bad over here eh
IMO see post 9243 it may not be so bad here but it could also have been much better
I am going home to Venice on the 2nd to see Mum and Dad after 2 years I am really looking forward to it even if I will have to spend my week holiday in quarantine
Green pass there is a minor thing, one need to carry ID at all time or spend the night in a secure and one need to provide ID when buying a sim card for the phone and a id card when getting cigies from a machine.
walk out of a shop or a bar whit no receipt and both you and shop get a fine. skip voting at the elections and that could be bad.
I use to be stopped and searched by any one of the 4 different police forces at least 3 or four times a week back in the 80's just because I had long hair.
So green pass is nothing
Sorry, I was away over the weekend and missed this:
What do you think about that Marco? :D Not so bad over here eh
Nothing to even remotely laugh about, mate... Mussolini lives on, as do an increasing amount of fascists!
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
18-10-2021, 20:22
Hahaha... That's funny! In this case, it's simply Del's fav teddy/soft toy.
Marco.
:D Of course it is, we never thought for a minute that Gilbert was a bloke wearing a sequinned catsuit doing high kicks in the living room... she has you for that sort of thing :)
Pigmy Pony
18-10-2021, 20:34
Sorry, I was away over the weekend and missed this:
Nothing to even remotely laugh about, mate... Mussolini lives on, as do an increasing amount of fascists!
Marco.
Nobody's laughing, especially in the light of Sandro's post. Like I said, not so bad over here. We can be as critical of our government and BJ Boy as we like, but it looks like just half as much criticism of the Italian "establishment" would earn him an unwanted knock on the door :(
:D Of course it is, we never thought for a minute that Gilbert was a bloke wearing a sequinned catsuit doing high kicks in the living room... she has you for that sort of thing :)
:lolsign:
Aye, and the scary thing is I have a 'special' version of that prepared for my Halloween costume!:uhho:
Marco.
Nobody's laughing, especially in the light of Sandro's post. Like I said, not so bad over here. We can be as critical of our government and BJ Boy as we like, but it looks like just half as much criticism of the Italian "establishment" would earn him an unwanted knock on the door :(
The point I'm making is that Italy has always had a very strong fascist following and history, so it's no surprise that a claimed 80% of the population would be behind such a dictatorial, fascist ruling!:doh:
We've seem similar types of coercion though, here in the UK, in terms of the government pushing for vaccinations, with care-home workers being told the very same thing as said workers in Italy, and also the introduction of 'Covid passes' for entry into nightclubs and large public venues in Scotland and Wales.
Don't think that BJ-boy won't be implementing 'Plan B' shortly, and following suit with said passes in England! And then who knows where it might lead...?
As I've said before, NO country purporting to be truly free and democratic should *EVER* be seeking mandatory vaccinations - and via the back door, through coercion, as BJ-boy's attempting, is just as bad as the front!
Marco.
Bksabath
19-10-2021, 05:15
The point I'm making is that Italy has always had a very strong fascist following and history, so it's no surprise that a claimed 80% of the population would be behind such a dictatorial, fascist ruling!:doh:
Marco.
I think you are wrong there, I would not go around Bologna broadcasting this :D
And again "Fascist" is miss-used
I believe 100% In what you have posted early on 'Vaccine passports, a solution looking for a problem' - David Davis MP - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VidUXZjzNVk)
and that it is wrong to turn this in to a politic issue
The Vaccines do not stop the spread.
What we are experiencing is the result of decision, mostly made by one evil person.
Tracking Dr. Anthony Fauci’s Comments On Coronavirus - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShiwHR5OvtM)
Please note the date 28 January 2020
The opening statement "we have already started developing a vaccine" and "start phase one trials in 3 months"
He is the one that decided on mitigation!
He is the one that founded the gain of function research!
Our government decided to stop travel only after the United States did so again based on the advise that Fauci gave, mask uptake was also slowed down by the one and very same.
How much did they already Know ? Why his email are and remain redacted?
I have posted from Pierre Kory he is on this at 1:15:20 back in 8th 12 2020 WATCH: Homeland Security hearing on early outpatient treatment for COVID-19 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxEDU3BoRm8)
What he and many others have been saying has been supressed or ridiculed, our own BBC at the forefront, on and on even here by same members
What we have been sold, including the 80% of the Italian Population is a skewed by truth by "400 X Profit making companies"
I think you are wrong there, I would not go around Bologna broadcasting this :D
And again "Fascist" is miss-used
Lol... Well, would the same thing be true if broadcast, say, in Naples?;)
I'm being somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but if the British public were asked to vote for or against something as odious as below, being proposed by their government:
"Italy is to make it compulsory for all workers to have a Covid "green pass" - proof of vaccination, a negative test or recovery from the virus. The measures are a first for Europe and some of the strictest in the world. Anyone without a pass will reportedly face suspension from work and may have their pay stopped after five days."
...80% would NOT be in favour of it! You'd be lucky to get 50%.
That's because Italy (and also France) has always been more sympathetic towards the notion of state control, and predisposed to having an authoritarian mindset, as opposed to libertarian. You only have to look at the strictness of their respective police forces, compared with ours, to see their very different attitudes to authority and how they impose it on their own populations.
In any case, *exactly how* can the above highlighted in red, which is clearly coercion, be part of a democracy...??
And for those who value their civil liberties and living in a free society [count any decent, right-thinking person in], as opposed to a fascist police state, *THAT* is not something you want to see gather pace and become more widespread, with this pandemic used as a convenient excuse for such!!:nono:
Is that the sort of regime you (as in 'one') would like to live under? Well, just sit back and accept it, and allow authorities to roll out said 'Green Passes' into other essential areas of life, in order to become the 'new norm', and see what happens....:trust:
Marco.
Bksabath
19-10-2021, 12:01
Well one get used to have to carry papers at all time in Italy here I have my driving licence.
Being a law abiding citizen I have no problem whit that
Still I agree whit you suspension from work is far far to much it is undeniable that one has the fundamental right to decide what to do whit its own body.
I believe you be pretty right in Naples as well, cunts and fruitball hullygans are all over to define Italy by the dubious standard of such or same criminals like Berlusconi is far from the truth
He should have been in Jail a few times over so it should be for Trump and what about Boris wall paper?
As I said before the all issue has became a politic issue this is wrong imposition of vaccine passport is wrong Coercion to have injections to one own body is wrong and as I said before the Vaccine does not stop the spread
'Vaccine passports, a solution looking for a problem' - David Davis MP - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VidUXZjzNVk) (I am posting this link again it should be circulated over and over again)
Watch this
"we can not give any disinformation on this channel..." it has to say that or being censored David Davis was indeed censored I do, like you, do not like the direction we are pointed to at all
NIH and ivermectin - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F-Ml9gHnqA)
Scottish numbers: 19 October 2021
Summary
2,459 new cases of COVID-19 reported
21,032 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
12.4% of these were positive
24 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
46 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
869 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,291,650 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,881,744 have received their second dose
Somewhat later than usual... Yesterday in the UK (with the previous day's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 43,738 (49,156).
Deaths: 223 (45).
Hospitalisations: 921 (915).
So... New cases come down, halting their continual rise for the last few days.
We'll see where we are tomorrow, and whether if things continue in that vein, there's a cause for optimism, or if it's simply a 'blip'. Death's back up to a more 'realistic' level, and the highest they've been for a while, reflecting the rise in both new cases and hospitalisations. For now at least, the latter remain stable, but still much higher than they've been before the recent spike.
In Wales yesterday (with the previous day's figures shown in brackets below):
New cases: 3,200 (6,398).
Deaths: 2 (20).
The figures are crazy sometimes, as they've often jumped up and down like this before, so you wonder whether the highest figures simply reflect a previous lag, and subsequent update in data, therefore making the lower figures somewhat false, or (hopefully the case), as in here, a genuine big reduction in the number of new cases. We'll see where we are later today. Same also applies with deaths.
Marco.
Scottish numbers: 20 October 2021
Summary
2,768 new cases of COVID-19 reported
41,556 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
7.1% of these were positive
26 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
51 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
890 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,294,116 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,883,886 have received their second dose
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/125E3/production/_121153257_____council_covid_rates_as_of_2021-10-17-nc.png
Today in the UK (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 49,139 (43,738).
Deaths: 179 (223).
Hospitalisations: 869 (921).
So... Cases back up again, after (as I suspected) yesterday's 'false dawn', and threatening to tip the 50k mark for the first time since March. However, the good news is that so far hospitalisations aren't rising exponentially with them, and indeed are a little down on yesterday. Plus, after 'Tuesday's hike', deaths are back down to around expected levels.
In Wales today (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below):
New cases: 3,450 (3,200).
Deaths: 13 (2).
Marco.
Bksabath
20-10-2021, 20:20
"While the weekly rate of new reported cases stands at 24 per 100,000 people in Spain and 48 per 100,000 people in France, this figure currently stands at 463 per 100,000 people in the UK."
From Enforce 'Plan B' COVID restrictions immediately or UK risks 'stumbling into winter crisis', PM warned (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/enforce-plan-b-covid-restrictions-immediately-or-uk-risks-stumbling-into-winter-crisis-pm-warned/ar-AAPJ1iL?li=BBoPWjQ)
Maybe to relay on the "sensibility of the peoples" so that PM and such could take the August holiday was a bad idea?
But all of it must be a lie as the Vaccines are so flipping gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood and all that must be Staliniscist (Stalin + Fascist) propaganda :D
I find Dr John Campbell's calm and intelligent analysing and summarising of the scientific data for Covid, and where we are currently with the pandemic, interesting, informative and easy to follow, and done in a way that's blissfully free from the hype generated by the mainstream media.
Therefore, if you like to keep abreast of things and be properly informed of the facts, and where we're likely to be heading with this pandemic in the coming months, then I'd thoroughly recommend following this chap's output. Here he analyses the current data, in terms of new infections, deaths and hospitalisations, and how it's likely to affect us in the coming months, plus discusses herd immunity, which instead of vaccines, many others and I have always said would finally be our way out of this thing.
So, for all the above reasons this is worth watching:
https://youtu.be/FVBzaTnDZKo
His belief is that cases will continue to rise, both in the UK and US, going into the autumn and winter, which will result in increased hospitalisations, but that the herd immunity effect will start kicking in by the end of 2021, and because of that, cases will be going down by January/February next year, but that we've still got the next few months to get through first.
I fully agree, and that's why we shouldn't despair too much about things getting worse, as they will, over autumn and winter, before they get better:)
In the meantime, I also fully agree with this view, which I found in the comments section underneath the video:
"This virus is not going away anytime soon if at all. What herd immunity means at this point is we should see less and less people with severe symptoms in the coming months - breakthrough and reinfections will be our boosters. A truly usefull measure of this is not case numbers but ICU patients with verified Covid pneumonia, cytokine storm, etc. If we continue to focus on case numbers we'll never get out of this!"
Indeed, so in the months ahead try not to focus too much on case numbers, as they don't really tell the true story.
Marco.
Scottish numbers: 21 October 2021
Summary
2,355 new cases of COVID-19 reported
33,741 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
7.4% of these were positive
32 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
58 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
917 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,297,028 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,886,176 have received their second dose
deaths still high.
Vaccination is 90% effective at preventing deaths from the Delta variant of Covid-19, researchers say.
The data, released by the University of Edinburgh, was gathered using a Scotland-wide Covid surveillance tool.
Figures suggest the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 90% effective and the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab 91% effective at preventing deaths.
It looked at people who have been double-vaccinated but who have tested positive for Covid in the community.
The study is the first to show across an entire country how effective vaccines are at preventing death from the Delta variant, which is the most dominant form of Covid in the UK.
Researchers defined death from Covid as anyone who died within 28 days of a positive PCR test, or with Covid recorded as a cause of death on their death certificate.
The study analysed data from 5.4 million people in Scotland between 1 April and 27 September this year.
During this period, 115,000 people tested positive for Covid using a PCR test in the community, rather than in hospital, and there were 201 Covid-related deaths recorded.
Tracked in real time
No deaths have been recorded in those who have been double-vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine in Scotland, according to the data.
Researchers said it is therefore not possible to estimate this particular vaccine's effectiveness in preventing Covid-related deaths.
The research team from the University of Edinburgh, University of Strathclyde and Public Health Scotland analysed the dataset as part of the EAVE II project - Early Pandemic Evaluation and Enhanced Surveillance of Covid-19.
It uses anonymised, linked-patient data to track the pandemic and the vaccine rollout in real time.
Today in the UK (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 52,009 (49,139).
Deaths: 115 (179).
Hospitalisations: 959 (869).
So... Cases continue to rise (now topping the 50k mark), along with hospitalisations, as predicted by Dr Campbell, therefore I guess we'll be seeing this occur for a while, as we enter autumn and winter. Thankfully, however, deaths remain on a steady downwards trend, which I suspect will largely remain the case due to vaccines and more effective treatments of people in hospital.
In Wales today (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below):
New cases: 4,240 (3,450).
Deaths: 13 (13).
Marco.
hifi_dave
21-10-2021, 16:10
The UK government has got it wrong IMO. NHS and scientists agree we need some precautions, such as wearing masks, social distancing etc as in Scotland and Wales yet we are free to go around as if Covid has gone away. Borders are wide open to just about every country in the world and mass gatherings are back to normal. Practically every country in the world are taking precautions except England.
Meantime the cases are increasing at an alarming rate and all the Government is saying is 'take care'.
The UK government has got it wrong IMO. NHS and scientists agree we need some precautions, such as wearing masks, social distancing etc as in Scotland and Wales yet we are free to go around as if Covid has gone away. Borders are wide open to just about every country in the world and mass gatherings are back to normal. Practically every country in the world are taking precautions except England.
Meantime the cases are increasing at an alarming rate and all the Government is saying is 'take care'.
yup still wear masks in shops etc. schools and colleges seem to be the biggest areas at moment. the double vaccined seem to be living better if the catch it.
im still being very cautious but picking up shopping at collection points now, wearing mask of course. trying sainsbury pick up tomorrow. see how they are. it'll double as a car run too.
The UK government has got it wrong IMO. NHS and scientists agree we need some precautions, such as wearing masks, social distancing etc as in Scotland and Wales yet we are free to go around as if Covid has gone away. Borders are wide open to just about every country in the world and mass gatherings are back to normal. Practically every country in the world are taking precautions except England.
Meantime the cases are increasing at an alarming rate and all the Government is saying is 'take care'.
I don't necessarily disagree, Dave. yet despite that, cases are still rising in Wales. Look at the stats for Wales I've been posting for the last few days. I think Scotland (and possibly N. Ireland) are the only areas of the UK currently with lower numbers, so the problem doesn't just exist in England.
4,240 new cases reported in Wales today, as opposed to 2355 in Scotland, so the mask-wearing and social distancing is going well, eh?;)
It would certainly be interesting to know why there are less cases in Scotland now than Wales - i.e. what the mechanism responsible is. Scotland has a bigger population, too.
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
21-10-2021, 18:09
just saying.. i'm doubled jabbed but still got covid a fortnight ago, just one semi rough day apart from that no problems.
I'd enquired about my booster covid previous and had been told I'd hear in due course ( ie fuck off) I've enquired with my practice and told no flu jabs available but I've booked into a Superdrug pharmacy on Monday for a paltry £14..
There's something going on in the background I think and I'm not liking the feel of it..
just saying.. i'm doubled jabbed but still got covid a fortnight ago, just one semi rough day apart from that no problems.
I'd enquired about my booster covid previous and had been told I'd hear in due course ( ie fuck off) I've enquired with my practice and told no flu jabs available but I've booked into a Superdrug pharmacy on Monday for a paltry £14..
There's something going on in the background I think and I'm not liking the feel of it..
6 months and 1 week needed before booster. flu one ive not heard about either. i wont get my booster til next year ar earliest. supposedly plenty vaccine, but do we have the staff?
There's something going on in the background I think and I'm not liking the feel of it..
Care to expand your thoughts on that last bit, Steve?:)
Marco.
Pierre De Grenoble
21-10-2021, 18:23
Care to expand on that last bit, Steve?:)
Marco.
Its all about coin, the vaccines are about but there's no money being put into GPs for the flu, and mass centres for covid have / are being shut down.. its always about the coin especially with a blue government and if that sounds like i'm cynical and biased so what ... I am.. and yes the twat in the Synedd is Red but they are still dependent on central funding...
Its all about coin...
Lol - and that's a big surprise now, which you didn't realise before, how?;)
I said that from day one.
Marco.
Around one in 55 people in England are estimated to have had Covid in the week ending 16 October, according to the Office for National Statistics
That's an increase on the week before, when the figure was one in 60.
At the peak of the second wave in early January, around one in 50 were estimated to have coronavirus.
In Wales it is estimated one in 45 would have tested positive, while in Northern Ireland it was one in 130.
Scotland saw a decrease with around one in 90 estimated to have had Covid
Scottish numbers: 22 October 2021
Summary
2,902 new cases of COVID-19 reported
35,188 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
8.8% of these were positive
19 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
60 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
894 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,299,649 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,888,408 have received their second dose.
NHS Lanarkshire has moved to the "highest risk level" as its three hospitals are at maximum capacity.
The military is already providing additional support at University hospitals Hairmyres, Monklands and Wishaw.
But the health board described occupancy levels as "critical" and said the "sustained pressure" shows no signs of easing.
It also confirmed some elective cancer procedures have been cancelled.
Earlier this week, NHS Grampian became the latest Scottish health board to ask for military help amid the pandemic after NHS Lanarkshire and NHS Borders.
'Relentless pressures'
NHS Lanarkshire deputy chief executive Laura Ace said: "We are facing relentless pressures, bed shortages and staff shortages due to sickness, stress and self-isolation and University hospitals Hairmyres, Monklands and Wishaw are all at maximum capacity.
Scottish numbers: 22 October 2021
Summary
2,902 new cases of COVID-19 reported
35,188 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
8.8% of these were positive
19 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
60 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
894 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,299,649 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,888,408 have received their second dose.
NHS Lanarkshire has moved to the "highest risk level" as its three hospitals are at maximum capacity.
The military is already providing additional support at University hospitals Hairmyres, Monklands and Wishaw.
But the health board described occupancy levels as "critical" and said the "sustained pressure" shows no signs of easing.
It also confirmed some elective cancer procedures have been cancelled.
Earlier this week, NHS Grampian became the latest Scottish health board to ask for military help amid the pandemic after NHS Lanarkshire and NHS Borders.
'Relentless pressures'
NHS Lanarkshire deputy chief executive Laura Ace said: "We are facing relentless pressures, bed shortages and staff shortages due to sickness, stress and self-isolation and University hospitals Hairmyres, Monklands and Wishaw are all at maximum capacity.
There's 16500 hospital beds in Scotland therefore only 5.4% of beds are occupied by people who have tested positive for Covid (but some of those will be in hospital for some reason unconnected to covid and would therefore be in hospital anyway). Have to conclude that those three hospitals being at maximum capacity has little to do with Covid.
Stryder5
22-10-2021, 15:10
OK so after years of Government and NHS management mismanaging the NHS, the shit is hitting the fan. FFS what a surprise.
In years of management I was expected to be proactive, and forward thinking, with a 5 and 10 year plan, updated monthly, it staggers me that this doesn’t happen. Any plans had to have risks and issues outlined and mitigated for, all this in a formal document.
WTF is going on?
It’s almost as if the failures are planned!
Trend analysis and modelling , with all the masses of statistics available seems to be ignored!
Government by panic for the masses!
Given that the “science” is active, who predicted the nonsense that if we had a viral pandemic, vaccination would be the answer, given that said vaccination does not prevent spread.
So we sacrifice lives to save the NHS, does this make sense to anyone?
We closed down Nightingale hospitals....why?...Oh they were hardly used.
Talk about piss up and brewery.
Gary
There's 16500 hospital beds in Scotland therefore only 5.4% of beds are occupied by people who have tested positive for Covid (but some of those will be in hospital for some reason unconnected to covid and would therefore be in hospital anyway). Have to conclude that those three hospitals being at maximum capacity has little to do with Covid.
the areas dont have highest covid in country by any means although they wre a while ago, so its probably long term ill old folk who they cant get into homes or get care cover due to lack of staff, due to poor conditions, poor wages and the limitations of immigration, as many care staff are foreign.
the areas dont have highest covid in country by any means although they wre a while ago, so its probably long term ill old folk who they cant get into homes or get care cover due to lack of staff, due to poor conditions, poor wages and the limitations of immigration, as many care staff are foreign.
not what the report you quoted said though, it clearly implied that Covid was the issue. Inclined to agree with Gary that the real reason is incompetence. It's built in to any very large organization, public or private.
Today in the UK (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 49,298 (52,009).
Deaths: 180 (115).
Hospitalisations: 1,065 (959).
So... Hospitalisations break through the 1000 barrier again, I doubt we'll see things get better (in any area), before they get worse, so folks, let's strap ourselves in for the ride!
In Wales today (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below):
New cases: 3,296 (4,240).
Deaths: 11 (13).
Marco.
its folk who have had covid in many cases and obviously some that have it now. a double whammy. the incompetance is in not making sure staff are available for hospital and care homes plus home visit carers. that is the major problem. jobs are being offered to folk who are in these jobs with better money etc so they are leaving in droves too.
if i had to go into hospital i may not get out as ive no-one to look after me... so i'll be damned if im going in
hifi_dave
22-10-2021, 16:34
How long before the Government acts and bring in some restrictions ? We don't need a total lockdown, just some sense before Covid races away again.
If it was going to race away I think it would have done it already. Lockdown finished more than 3 months ago.
Suspect it can't race away as just too many people have had it now, even if they didn't realise it. Plus the vaccinations clearly reduce both transmissions and serious cases.
the was an article recently that they thought sotland was approaching herd. we seem to have been ahead of uk this last surge; probably due to schools and different hols etc plus we still use masks. once english schools get most infected/vaxinated it will come down.
deaths will increase and stay high for a while tho
Stryder5
22-10-2021, 17:58
its folk who have had covid in many cases and obviously some that have it now. a double whammy. the incompetance is in not making sure staff are available for hospital and care homes plus home visit carers. that is the major problem. jobs are being offered to folk who are in these jobs with better money etc so they are leaving in droves too.
if i had to go into hospital i may not get out as ive no-one to look after me... so i'll be damned if im going in
Incompetence in staffing is far too simplistic, it goes much further.
As I’ve said before, the Government both national and NHS are guilty of not seeing the solution, but not recognising the problem whether purposefully or sheer stupidity!
I’m repeating myself again......if you want to protect the NHS you concentrate on effective treatment so people don’t get hospitalised, did they do this no, they sent alleged cases home to get worse or die!
The case for lessened infection capability of “jabbed” people is not proven, and the way masks are utilised in reality is just plain stupid. Does every scientist walk round not using their eyes? Where’s the MSM on how to wear a mask to the WHO’s conditions for effective interruption of airborne infection? The Government’s outline how to make a mask is laughable!
Kin hell people, just think FFS!
I don't really think about it to be honest. If it wasn't for this thread and that I see the occasional person 'wearing' a mask I'd probably have forgotten that it's still going on.
Pigmy Pony
22-10-2021, 20:28
The case for lessened infection capability of “jabbed” people is not proven
Sorry to pluck this bit out of the post, but it got me wondering...
If the vaccines can either guard against infection, or at least mitigate the severity of such, is it possible that many of those 'double jabbed' (by being largely asymptomatic) could be unknowingly infecting others? (assuming the vaccinated may still be able to pass it on).
If so, folks who thought that they didn't need the jab as the great majority who had it will help to bring about the end of the pandemic may be in for an awakening this winter.
So imo the case for being vaccinated is not about protecting others, but more about self-protection. Like the wearing of seat belts and crash helmets.
Stryder5
22-10-2021, 20:30
I think that’s, perhaps, the right attitude Martin, I just can’t do it.
Gary
Stryder5
22-10-2021, 21:00
Sorry to pluck this bit out of the post, but it got me wondering...
If the vaccines can either guard against infection, or at least mitigate the severity of such, is it possible that many of those 'double jabbed' (by being largely asymptomatic) could be unknowingly infecting others? (assuming the vaccinated may still be able to pass it on).
If so, folks who thought that they didn't need the jab as the great majority who had it will help to bring about the end of the pandemic may be in for an awakening this winter.
So imo the case for being vaccinated is not about protecting others, but more about self-protection. Like the wearing of seat belts and crash helmets.
I can see and understand this, but on the other hand, the long term effects of vaccination after vaccination are definitely unknown. So, in the end the vaccinated may be in for an awakening long term.
Assuming the vaccine is self protection, with an unknown lifespan, then an intravenous vaccine drip would be appropriate apparel.
Gary
Pigmy Pony
22-10-2021, 21:45
I can see and understand this, but on the other hand, the long term effects of vaccination after vaccination are definitely unknown. So, in the end the vaccinated may be in for an awakening long term.
Assuming the vaccine is self protection, with an unknown lifespan, then an intravenous vaccine drip would be appropriate apparel.
Gary
I'd be ok with that if they came in a range of attractive colours :)
True, we don't know the long-term effects of multiple vaccinations, what we do know is the short term effect of Covid for many :(
If so, folks who thought that they didn't need the jab as the great majority who had it will help to bring about the end of the pandemic may be in for an awakening this winter.
Before I respond properly, could you clarify what you mean by "an awakening"? I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at, but just want to be sure.
As for the rest, the vaccinated can indeed still transmit the virus. Vaccination only reduces transmission by (a claimed, but not proven) 50%, so that still leaves plenty of scope for the vaccinated to pass it on!
So imo the case for being vaccinated is not about protecting others, but more about self-protection. Like the wearing of seat belts and crash helmets.
Absolutely so, and has always been the case, which is also why the introduction of 'vaccine passports' is much more about coercion and government control, than protecting others!:doh:
Marco.
True, we don't know the long-term effects of multiple vaccinations, what we do know is the short term effect of Covid for *many* :(
Indeed, but not forgetting of course that the effect for most (i.e. the non-elderly without any serious underlying conditions), is mild, flu-like symptoms at worst, otherwise we'd have had a MUCH more serious situation on our hands.
"Most" equaling the overwhelming majority of the population. Whilst not wishing to underplay the seriousness of the virus for those most at risk from becoming seriously ill or dying from it, we must not lose sight of that fact.
Marco.
Bksabath
23-10-2021, 03:37
AstraZeneca Covid vaccine: UK adds new side effect to vaccine - recognise the symptoms? (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-uk-adds-new-side-effect-to-vaccine-recognise-the-symptoms/ar-AAPP1Mi?ocid=msedgntp)
Pigmy Pony
23-10-2021, 08:13
Indeed, but not forgetting of course that the effect for most (i.e. the non-elderly without any serious underlying conditions), is mild, flu-like symptoms at worst, otherwise we'd have had a MUCH more serious situation on our hands.
"Most" equaling the overwhelming majority of the population. Whilst not wishing to underplay the seriousness of the virus for those most at risk from becoming seriously ill or dying from it, we must not lose sight of that fact.
Marco.
Well at the time of me being vaccinated my belief was that I was not only protecting myself, but also protecting others from being infected by me (if I haven't got it I can't spread it, simple) The truth appears to be rather different though.
But not different enough to make me think twice if I had the choice all over again.
I don't post much on this thread because I understand so little of it, and I'm not interested in speculation, nor opinions based on "information" gleaned from the various corners of the Web. What I would like to see though are some honest, up to date figures on hospitalisations and deaths in relation to age groups and vaccinated/unvaccinated.
Stryder5
23-10-2021, 08:22
Sorry to pluck this bit out of the post, but it got me wondering...
If the vaccines can either guard against infection, or at least mitigate the severity of such, is it possible that many of those 'double jabbed' (by being largely asymptomatic) could be unknowingly infecting others? (assuming the vaccinated may still be able to pass it on).
If so, folks who thought that they didn't need the jab as the great majority who had it will help to bring about the end of the pandemic may be in for an awakening this winter.
So imo the case for being vaccinated is not about protecting others, but more about self-protection. Like the wearing of seat belts and crash helmets.
I do get strange looks walking round the village with my crash helmet on and the seat belts trailing on the floor:D
Gary
last figure I saw (for UK) is that 55% of those hospitalized with covid were unvaccinated.
If you consider that 80% of the population are vaccinated then it's pretty clear that being vaccinated massively reduces the chance of getting seriously ill from covid.
Stryder5
23-10-2021, 08:34
last figure I saw (for UK) is that 55% of those hospitalized with covid were unvaccinated.
If you consider that 80% of the population are vaccinated then it's pretty clear that being vaccinated massively reduces the chance of getting seriously ill from covid.
Before I would even consider any statistical data as being valid I would need the source and the methodology for data gathering.
What is clear is that we have been outside normal response to the illness caused by a virus.
Identification, isolation, illness, no medication, get worse, maybe hospitalisation, death.
Great call!
Gary
Oh forgot as above 45% of vaccinated are hospitalised.
Well at the time of me being vaccinated my belief was that I was not only protecting myself, but also protecting others from being infected by me (if I haven't got it I can't spread it, simple) The truth appears to be rather different though.
Well, what was that belief based upon: what you were told by the government and/or mainstream media, heard from Davey down the road, or what? I'm being a little facetious, of course, but it does show that you can't rely on getting the truth from supposedly 'trustworthy' sources, thus be easily misled.
Perhaps, if you'd researched 'opinions based on "information" gleaned from the various corners of the Web', much sourced from medical and scientific professionals, you'd have got closer to the truth?;)
That said, I fully appreciate and understand the decision you made, and I also believe that vaccination does prevent transmission of the virus to a degree, *but*, medically, it has always been, first and foremost, about protecting YOU.
Marco.
Before I would even consider any statistical data as being valid I would need the source and the methodology for data gathering.
What is clear is that we have been outside normal response to the illness caused by a virus.
Identification, isolation, illness, no medication, get worse, maybe hospitalisation, death.
Great call!
Gary
Oh forgot as above 45% of vaccinated are hospitalised.
Source is Public Health England as of August 2021. If course if you're going to doubt any data presented then there's no point discussing it further. But based on that data an unvaccinated person is roughly 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than someone who has been vaccinated.
You have to weight that chance up against the chance that there is some totally unknown and very long term negative consequence to being vaccinated, which based on available data and medical knowledge of vaccines, is just a superstition.
Pigmy Pony
23-10-2021, 08:57
I do get strange looks walking round the village with my crash helmet on and the seat belts trailing on the floor:D
Gary
:lol:
That's the trouble with living in a village - folks just can't mind their own business. In Chorley, skid lids and trailing seat belts are de rigeur :)
Pigmy Pony
23-10-2021, 09:00
last figure I saw (for UK) is that 55% of those hospitalized with covid were unvaccinated.
If you consider that 80% of the population are vaccinated then it's pretty clear that being vaccinated massively reduces the chance of getting seriously ill from covid.
Nice to know (providing the source is truthful), but what about demographics? There is some feeling that younger/fitter individuals need not concern themselves so much.
Stryder5
23-10-2021, 09:06
Source is Public Health England as of August 2021. If course if you're going to doubt any data presented then there's no point discussing it further. But based on that data an unvaccinated person is roughly 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than someone who has been vaccinated.
You have to weight that chance up against the chance that there is some totally unknown and very long term negative consequence to being vaccinated, which based on available data and medical knowledge of vaccines, is just a superstition.
You’re right on your first paragraph.
Gary
Stryder5
23-10-2021, 09:07
:lol:
That's the trouble with living in a village - folks just can't mind their own business. In Chorley, skid lids and trailing seat belts are de rigeur :)
:lol:
You’re right on your first paragraph.
Gary
I'm probably right on the second one too although I agree there is no absolute certainty. But then we'll happily get on an aeroplane despite there being a very small chance that we'll end up plunging into the Atlantic ocean in a ball of flames.
Pigmy Pony
23-10-2021, 09:17
Well, what was that belief based upon: what you were told by the government and/or mainstream media, heard from Davey down the road, or what? I'm being a little facetious, of course, but it does show that you can't rely on getting the truth from supposedly 'trustworthy' sources, thus be easily misled.
Perhaps, if you'd researched 'opinions based on "information" gleaned from the various corners of the Web', much sourced from medical and scientific professionals, you'd have got closer to the truth?;)
That said, I fully appreciate and understand the decision you made, and I also believe that vaccination does prevent transmission of the virus to a degree, *but*, medically, it has always been, first and foremost, about protecting YOU.
Marco.
The time you've spent researching opinion from "medical and scientific professionals" (your words), time which could be spent playing records/your harp/Monopoly/whatever, may not have brought you any closer to the truth. We just don't know.
Which I reiterate is why I have so little to do with this thread.
Of course I always knew that the main thing about the vaccine was self-protection, I'm not that thick, I'll just repeat that I thought I was also protecting my nearest and dearest. I suppose if as a result of the jab I may avoid hospitalisation, I will be protecting the NHS and other patients from my Covid presence, so that would be something :)
Nice to know (providing the source is truthful), but what about demographics? There is some feeling that younger/fitter individuals need not concern themselves so much.
That does seem to be true. This is 2020 data for New York but does show a massive increase in risk once you are over 45, especially if you have underlying conditions like heart problems or diabetes https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
Source is Public Health England as of August 2021. If course if you're going to doubt any data presented then there's no point discussing it further. But based on that data an unvaccinated person is roughly 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than someone who has been vaccinated.
I wouldn't necessarily dispute that data, but all you're doing is proving that the vaccines are primarily designed to protect YOU, which we already know.
The data I'd like to see, however, is on how much is transmission of the virus to others prevented by vaccination, and I'd want to see accurate and reliable sources for such, from our experts and authorities, not simply 'informed guesstimates', such as I've only seen so far.
After all, it's a key figure, and if properly understood would put a lot of things into focus, including how we limit transmission going forward.
Marco.
I wouldn't necessarily dispute that data, but all you're doing is proving that the vaccines are primarily designed to protect YOU, which we already know.
The data I'd like to see, however, is on how much is transmission of the virus to others prevented by vaccination, and I'd want to see accurate and reliable sources for such, from our experts and authorities, not simply 'informed guesstimates', such as I've only seen so far.
After all, it's a key figure, and if properly understood would put a lot of things into focus, including how we limit transmission going forward.
Marco.
Quite a few studies done on that, they all get similar results, here's one of them https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1
Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to fully vaccinated household contacts was 40% (95% confidence interval (CI) 20-54%), which is in addition to the direct protection of vaccination of contacts against infection. Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts was 63% (95%CI 46-75%). We previously reported effectiveness of 73% (95%CI 65-79%) against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts for the Alpha variant.
So you're less likely to get it in the first place and less likely to pass it on even if you do.
Pigmy Pony
23-10-2021, 09:59
Quite a few studies done on that, they all get similar results, here's one of them https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1
Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to fully vaccinated household contacts was 40% (95% confidence interval (CI) 20-54%), which is in addition to the direct protection of vaccination of contacts against infection. Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts was 63% (95%CI 46-75%). We previously reported effectiveness of 73% (95%CI 65-79%) against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts for the Alpha variant.
So you're less likely to get it in the first place and less likely to pass it on even if you do.
So there you go then. Now, what we having for tea? :)
The time you've spent researching opinion from "medical and scientific professionals" (your words), time which could be spent playing records/your harp/Monopoly/whatever, may not have brought you any closer to the truth. We just don't know.
Well, personally speaking, I don't spend any more time on that than other folks may do watching the evening news, reading papers, or listening to the radio. My view is that with such a serious and important matter, it's good to be as well informed *as possible*, which IME isn't best served by either glibly swallowing what's reported on the mainstream media, government lies, based on their given agenda of the day, or living in 'blissful ignorance'.
Getting closer to the truth, however, most certainly isn't best served by buying your head in the sand and hoping it'll all go away, although I'm not saying you're doing that, or only choosing to believe the stuff that appeases your insecurities and makes you feel comfortable, as often the truth is the polar opposite...
Marco.
Quite a few studies done on that, they all get similar results, here's one of them https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1
Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to fully vaccinated household contacts was 40% (95% confidence interval (CI) 20-54%), which is in addition to the direct protection of vaccination of contacts against infection. Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts was 63% (95%CI 46-75%). We previously reported effectiveness of 73% (95%CI 65-79%) against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts for the Alpha variant.
So you're less likely to get it in the first place and less likely to pass it on even if you do.
Well, like anything else, that's not a 'job done'. I'd need to research how the data was collated, in order to ascertain how reliable the figures were, then form an opinion based on that. Again, I'm not saying you're guilty of this, but too many people simply 'swallow' those types of figures as gospel ['cos it looks kosher, innit?], without recourse to proper scrutiny.
Marco.
Well, like anything else, that's not a 'job done'. I'd need to research how the data was collated and how reliable the source(s) were, then form an opinion based on that. Again, I'm not saying you're guilty of this, but too many people simply 'swallow' those types of figures as gospel ['cos it looks kosher, innit?], without recourse to proper scrutiny.
Marco.
well read the whole paper then, it goes into the methodology in detail. I only quoted a bit from the abstract.
if you google 'vaccine reduced transmission' it brings up a number of them, they all seem to have broadly similar findings.
Sure, my point is simply that it's valid info to *take into account*, not undisputable fact. For me, if the vaccines were anything near as good at preventing virus transmission, as they are at protecting individuals vaccinated, then we wouldn't be seeing so many new infections.
Marco.
Stryder5
23-10-2021, 10:35
S
well read the whole paper then, it goes into the methodology in detail. I only quoted a bit from the abstract.
if you google 'vaccine reduced transmission' it brings up a number of them, they all seem to have broadly similar findings.
Ah....Google!
Gary
S
Ah....Google!
Gary
meaning what? You can look at the studies, who did them , the methodology, not sure exactly what more you'd require. Google is simple a route of access, it doesn't have any connection with the studies.
Sure, my point is simply that it's valid info to *take into consideration*, not undisputable fact. For me, if the vaccines were anything near as good at preventing virus transmission, as they are at protecting individuals vaccinated, then we wouldn't be seeing so many new infections.
Marco.
You've got to take into account the number of people in the world. Even if 90% were vaccinated that still leaves hundreds of millions who are catching and transmitting at full chat.
Take the vaccines away and number of new infections would be considerably higher, 40% to 60% higher according to the research.
I'm not disputing that for a second, but it doesn't negate the point I made.
Marco.
meaning what? You can look at the studies, who did them , the methodology, not sure exactly what more you'd require. Google is simple a route of access, it doesn't have any connection with the studies.
No, but firstly consider who owns Google, what agendas they may have in controlling its content, and therefore only allowing studies on certain subjects to be searchable that conform to those agendas. It's no secret that the establishment often gag or suppress the views of those who seek to challenge the 'norm'.
That's why, in order to dig deep enough into areas you need to discover the 'truth', sometimes it requires going a little 'off piste' with your choice of search engine...;)
Marco.
Stryder5
23-10-2021, 11:01
meaning what? You can look at the studies, who did them , the methodology, not sure exactly what more you'd require. Google is simple a route of access, it doesn't have any connection with the studies.
You can see what Google wants you to see, it’s not a simple route of access to truth necessarily.
How have you verified your statement “it doesn’t have any connection with the studies”?
Alphabet Inc. is subject to many antitrust lawsuits!
Gary
we're getting into the realms of fantasy again now so I'm going to leave it there.
we're getting into the realms of fantasy again...
In your opinion;) I'd call it practicing some lateral thinking. Btw, that's not necessarily to agree with what Gary's just written, but I firmly stand by what I wrote previously.
One could argue that it would be equally delusional to believe that the content of Google [i.e. what's permitted as being searchable] is freely open, and not in any way subject to bias or censorship, designed to serve the best interests of its multi-billionaire owner(s).
Marco.
Stryder5
23-10-2021, 11:20
M
In your opinion;) I'd call it practicing some lateral thinking.
Btw, that's not necessarily to agree with what Gary's just written, but I firmly stand by what I wrote previously. One could argue that it would be equally delusional to believe that the content of Google [i.e. what's permitted as searchable] is freely open, and not in any way subject to bias or censorship, designed to serve the best interests of its multi-billionaire owner(s).
Marco.
There’s nothing to disagree with.
First line a statement, factual!
Second line, a question.....unanswered!
Third line, a statement, factual!
Gary
Pigmy Pony
23-10-2021, 11:29
meaning what? You can look at the studies, who did them , the methodology, not sure exactly what more you'd require. Google is simple a route of access, it doesn't have any connection with the studies.
Maybe we should be looking at the 'dark web', that may be where all the honest people live :)
Just use alternative search engines instead, such as this, for more balanced search content:
https://duckduckgo.com/
Way better/less biased, safer, and with greater privacy than Google. It despairs me greatly how much the sheeple are slaves to life's most popular brands!;)
Marco.
Scottish numbers: 23 October 2021
Summary
2,403 new cases of COVID-19 reported
30,051 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
8.7% of these were positive
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive*
61 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
896 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,302,382 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,890,477 have received their second dose
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/9389/production/_121196773_localauthority23oct-nc.jpg
Your input is requested in the mod room, mate!:)
Marco.
Your input is requested in the mod room, mate!:)
Marco.
i popped in.. :D
Cheers mate, I had a wee squint and noticed:D
Just listening to the footy on the radio and the phone-in, so will reply later:)
Marco.
Today in the UK (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 44,985 (49,298).
Deaths: 135 (180).
Hospitalisations: 1,065 (1,065).
Hard to tell for sure what's happening at the weekend, and the data for hospitalisations hasn't been updated yet from yesterday.
And the data from Wales hasn't been updated either yet from yesterday.
Marco.
Scottish numbers: 24 October 2021
Summary
2,528 new cases of COVID-19 reported
26,807 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
9.9% of these were positive
21 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive*
58 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
899 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,305,582 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,892,224 have received their second dose
Today in the UK (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 39.962 (44,985).
Deaths: 72 (135).
Hospitalisations: 1,080 (1,065).
In Wales...
New cases: 3,152
Deaths: 12.
interesting that lanarkshire hospitals, and by extention all scots hospitals are saying dont go to accident and emergency only you are dying:doh:
is this where we are in modern history? the uk and scots govt leaders will be looked at in history re things like this.... its worse than the blitz
Today in the UK (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 36,567 (39,962).
Deaths: 38 (72).
Hospitalisations: 1,082 (1,080).
In Wales (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below):
New cases: 3,152 (3,152)
Deaths: 12 (12)
No update in data from yesterday.
Marco.
Scottish numbers: 25 October 2021
Summary
2,240 new cases of COVID-19 reported
23,055 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
10.3% of these were positive
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are generally closed at the weekend)
57 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
902 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,308,371 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,895,239 have received their second dose
a graphic on cases to age group as some were interested in.
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Scottish numbers: 26 October 2021
Summary
2,262 new cases of COVID-19 reported
20,897 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
11.5% of these were positive
20 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
59 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
917 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,309,932 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,897,133 have received their second dose
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Today in the UK (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/:
Positive tests: 40,954 (36,567).
Deaths: 263 (38).
Hospitalisations: 916 (1,082).
In Wales (with yesterday's figures shown in brackets below):
New cases: 5,288 (3,152)
Deaths: 31 (12)
Marco.
welsh deaths were affected by a 72 hr failure of stats apparently.
Yeah, that's probably why the figures are a little higher than expected, as they'll represent a 'catch up' in data of that time.
Scottish numbers: 27 October 2021
Summary
2,566 new cases of COVID-19 reported*
30,805 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results*
8.9% of these were positive*
27 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
57 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
925 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,311,339 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,899,153 have received their second dose
* Public Health Scotland identified an issue with test results reaching them from NHS Scotland labs since 6pm on 26 October. Any NHS tests received after this time will be included in data reported tomorrow (28 October).
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Scottish numbers: 28 October 2021
Summary
2,153 new cases of COVID-19 reported*
37,368 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results*
6.3% of these were positive*
20 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
58 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
932 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,312,204 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,900,427 have received their second dose
*The backlog of NHS Scotland Pillar 1 lab test results that we were unable to report yesterday due to an issue affecting data flow on evening of 26 October 2021, are included in today’s newly reported figures
Double jabbed people are catching Covid and passing it on to those they live with, warn experts who have studied UK household cases.
Individuals who have had two vaccine doses can be just as infectious as those who have not been jabbed.
Even if they have no or few symptoms, the chance of them transmitting the virus to other unvaccinated housemates is about two in five, or 38%.
This drops to one in four, or 25%, if housemates are also fully vaccinated.
The Lancet Infectious Diseases work shows why getting even more people vaccinated and protected is important, they say.
Unvaccinated people cannot rely on those around them being jabbed to remove their risk of getting infected, they warn.
Covid infection protection waning in double jabbed
Vaccines do an excellent job of preventing serious Covid illness and deaths, but are less good at stopping infections, particularly since the emergence of the more infectious Delta variant which is dominant in the UK.
And over time, the protection offered by vaccines wanes and needs boosting with further doses.
Stryder5
29-10-2021, 08:28
Double jabbed people are catching Covid and passing it on to those they live with, warn experts who have studied UK household cases.
Individuals who have had two vaccine doses can be just as infectious as those who have not been jabbed.
Even if they have no or few symptoms, the chance of them transmitting the virus to other unvaccinated housemates is about two in five, or 38%.
This drops to one in four, or 25%, if housemates are also fully vaccinated.
The Lancet Infectious Diseases work shows why getting even more people vaccinated and protected is important, they say.
Unvaccinated people cannot rely on those around them being jabbed to remove their risk of getting infected, they warn.
Covid infection protection waning in double jabbed
Vaccines do an excellent job of preventing serious Covid illness and deaths, but are less good at stopping infections, particularly since the emergence of the more infectious Delta variant which is dominant in the UK.
And over time, the protection offered by vaccines wanes and needs boosting with further doses.
Could we have link to the above data please?
If the Household study is the one I have commented on before it was full of holes and the conclusion was inconclusive!
All of the above needs verification and validation.
If the above is an opinion, that’s how it should be considered.
Gary
Scottish numbers: 29 October 2021
Summary
2,732 new cases of COVID-19 reported*
38,122 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results*
7.7% of these were positive*
24 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
60 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
926 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,314,144 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,903,299 have received their second dose
*Please note that today's testing and case numbers may be affected by a data flow issue at the Glasgow Lighthouse laboratory. The position has improved but there are still some delays in results being sent.
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Bksabath
30-10-2021, 05:38
“You Dumb Mother F*****” Joe Rogan UNMASKS CNN’s True Agenda - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5xqP-aPwOU)
Stryder5
30-10-2021, 12:13
Could we have link to the above data please?
If the Household study is the one I have commented on before it was full of holes and the conclusion was inconclusive!
All of the above needs verification and validation.
If the above is an opinion, that’s how it should be considered.
Gary
@struth No answer to my request?
Gary
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/jabs-do-not-reduce-risk-of-passing-covid-within-households-study-suggests-1.4713945
among other reports, based as i said on lancet study
Stryder5
30-10-2021, 12:35
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/jabs-do-not-reduce-risk-of-passing-covid-within-households-study-suggests-1.4713945
among other reports, based as i said on lancet study
As I said before full of holes, ifs and buts no real proof just meaningless drivel.
Where is the, peer reviewed, fact that the vaccine is effective in reduced severity?
Gary
Oh sorry just remembered the Lancet has had to retract many stories recently.
Bksabath
31-10-2021, 07:28
As I said before full of holes, ifs and buts no real proof just meaningless drivel.
Where is the, peer reviewed, fact that the vaccine is effective in reduced severity?
Gary
Oh sorry just remembered the Lancet has had to retract many stories recently.
100 % ON Gary
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hifi_dave
05-11-2021, 16:43
Marco - I'm missing your daily figures. I am looking forward to the numbers coming down.
The new medication, Moinupiravir gives me a bit of hope for the future.
Stryder5
05-11-2021, 17:00
Marco - I'm missing your daily figures. I am looking forward to the numbers coming down.
The new medication, Moinupiravir gives me a bit of hope for the future.
Can you not get figures for your locality and nationally? It’s generally published on MSM.
Gary
hifi_dave
05-11-2021, 17:06
Maybe, if I searched for it but Marco's figures are easy to read and easy to find..:thumbsup:
uk figures..
There were 34,029 new people with a confirmed positive test result for coronavirus on 5 November 2021
There were 193 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test for coronavirus reported on 5 November 2021,
By the end of 4 November 2021, 43,731 people aged 12+ had been given a first dose, 20,482 a second dose, and 334,398 a booster or a third dose. In total, as of 4 November 2021, 50,156,656 (87.2%) of people aged 12+ have received a first dose, 45,790,934 (79.6%) a second dose, and 9,347,074 (16.3%) a booster or a third dose of a vaccine.
best i can do dave.
interesting that scotlands figures have almost become endemic..... a flat out level which is perhaps just too high for comfort considering winter is still potentially to hit.
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hifi_dave
06-11-2021, 11:05
uk figures..
There were 34,029 new people with a confirmed positive test result for coronavirus on 5 November 2021
There were 193 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test for coronavirus reported on 5 November 2021,
By the end of 4 November 2021, 43,731 people aged 12+ had been given a first dose, 20,482 a second dose, and 334,398 a booster or a third dose. In total, as of 4 November 2021, 50,156,656 (87.2%) of people aged 12+ have received a first dose, 45,790,934 (79.6%) a second dose, and 9,347,074 (16.3%) a booster or a third dose of a vaccine.
best i can do dave.
Thanks for that.
I believe the new cases went just above 40,000 on Wednesday, then went down on Thursday and as you show, again on Friday. Long may that continue but I fear we will see large numbers when the kids go back to school.
Scottish numbers: 6 November 2021
Summary
3,249 new cases of COVID-19 reported
39,152 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
8.7% of these were positive
24 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
55 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
823 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,321,350 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,914,397 have received their second dose
walpurgis
06-11-2021, 15:28
Took the wife for her booster earlier, so I guess we're sorted for now. At the rate things are going, I expect there'll be a booster booster eventually.
Took the wife for her booster earlier, so I guess we're sorted for now. At the rate things are going, I expect there'll be a booster booster eventually.
dont expect mine til next year. not heard anything about the flu one yet
hifi_dave
06-11-2021, 15:59
All the advice is to pester your GP, because you are entitled to it and/or go on the NHS website to book both.
All the advice is to pester your GP, because you are entitled to it and/or go on the NHS website to book both.
didnt get my second until july so guess it will be january for that. the nurse who gave me that jab said they would be coming to do my flu one and booster. wont overly surprise me if they wait and do both then
Both myself and Mrs Puffin had Covid just over 4 weeks ago despite being double jabbed. Mrs P has had Pneumonia and Bronchitis in recent years (hospitalised and on intravenous anti-Bs) but thankfully neither of us had any respiratory problems. Both lost our sense of taste and smell and my taste is not that much better (no comments please)
Mrs P was wathcing an interview with the author Michael Rosen who has had Covid and he has had a lot of the same things I have had. Freezing feet and legs (on occasion) he said that the blood vessels can be affected and he is deaf in one ear. My Tinitus is much worse and I couldn't work out why....now I know.
I cycle regularly and have been out again in the last couple of weeks and it feels ok thankfully, and at least it get the blood flowing in my legs and feet. Due to have our booster jabs next week....but they are no guarantee that you won't catch it for a 2nd time. No idea where I picked it up.
Last night I was watching TV and all of a sudden I felt really shit, my heart was beating faster and a hot flush came up (could be the menopuase) and I had to go to bed. Happy Days.
walpurgis
06-11-2021, 18:58
One odd Covid effect I noticed. I was left with some double vision when recovering from an Ischaemic stroke in early 2020, a year later I caught Covid and afterwards found my eyesight had improved considerably. Weird.
Scottish numbers: 8 November 2021
Summary
2,012 new cases of COVID-19 reported
19,251 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
11.0% of these were positive
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are generally closed at the weekend)
54 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
803 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,323,549 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,917,210 have received their second dose.
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Bksabath
09-11-2021, 07:30
29879298802988129882
I have come back from Venice yesterday
I had all my papers ready
Locator form vaccination certificate PCR test (£55.00)
At first I could not get a green pass so I had a further PCR test for E 22.00 this was at a main chemist take about 1/2 hour whit no appointment, they slot you in ! and is as good as the green pass for 48 hours.
I managed to get the green pass whit the NHS vaccination certificate later at the Pala EXPO
The white pill box in the picture from goggle maps is a Covid Centre
You get any of the 3 jabs on different flavours, PCR rapid test and green pass and what not
I had my NHS vaccination certificate, my visitor locator form and Passport it take longer to walk to the right que (of one) than to get the piece of A4 paper whit the squiggly dots printed on it all free of charge I did not even had to pay for the A4 printer paper or the toner surcharge, Toner surcharge goes at about £3.49 here in the UK:D all in all I was in and out in 1/2 hour if that
New cases reported in Italy from the World meter at under 7000
Covid: in Veneto 773 new cases and 4 deaths in 24 hours – Veneto (italy24news.com) (https://www.italy24news.com/News/253197.html)
As in the article 773 new cases just in the Veneto region
Over there 773 new cases and the fact that the figures are going up is a matter of great concern
Venice is mostly a tourist City If you go inside a shop you wear a mask!
When one wear glasses and try not to cover its nose because they steam up they will ask you to cover your nose but be very patient and give you tissues to clean them up no one not even the other people in the que make a fuss about it
Enter a bar (loads :eyebrows:) and they will ask for the green pass 99% of the times they just ask if you have one yes or no, only 2 times in a week my piece of A4 paper whit it was scanned.
You go on a bus or public transport you wear a mask! Dare not, you will be told to or the buss will stop and you be asked to leave! refuse and you will be dealt whit by one of the 4 or 5 police forces there. quite simple really
The driver area is cordoned off. he has the right to work on a safe environment!
Hand sanitizer is freely provided and I have never seen an empty both on busses and shops. a couple of times entering larger outlets I got my temperature scanned
I got asked for Passport, boarding pass, passenger locator, at both Airport on Entry and saw almost no one at Both airport exit
The £55 for the predeparture PCR all in all was a waste of money but if you are asked for one the rapid PCR test at both airports is much more expensive.
11 new cases for 100000 in Venice is considered pretty HI and a matter of concern but no one make much of a fuss about it one just get on whit it wear a mask and enjoy.
Coronavirus cases by area - Liverpool City Council (https://liverpool.gov.uk/covidcases)
Coronavirus cases by area
Report published 5th November 2021
Data extracted covering testing up to 1st November 2021 show that the total number of confirmed cases for the last 7 days is 1286, a decrease of -119 cases on the previous week. The latest weekly rate of Covid-19 in Liverpool is 258.2 per 100,000 population and the latest positivity testing rate* is 7.6%.
258 new cases in Liverpool and one does fuck all about it work this one out?
hifi_dave
09-11-2021, 11:13
I can't see any justification for not wearing a mask at the very least. It's minimal inconvenience and can save cases rising and the inevitable deaths.
rmcin626
09-11-2021, 12:23
There is a good reason we are still required to wear a mask in Scotland in shops etc.
my daughter still wears one when she comes to see me and stays at a distance.
hifi_dave
09-11-2021, 17:02
When our kids and grandkids visit, they take Covid tests before they come. Makes me feel more comfortable.
Just come back from Tesco and I reckon it's now 50/50 wearing masks. I expect some youngsters to be without masks, because they are invincible but there were several people, frail and probably in their 80s without masks. Why ?
Scottish numbers: 9 November 2021
Summary
2,233 new cases of COVID-19 reported
19,459 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
12.0% of these were positive
20 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
57 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
753 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,324,440 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,918,528 have received their second dose
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orkneys and hebrides are high although the both have low populations so it looks like a lot when they say 600 etc but that would only be about 150 folk
When our kids and grandkids visit, they take Covid tests before they come. Makes me feel more comfortable.
Just come back from Tesco and I reckon it's now 50/50 wearing masks. I expect some youngsters to be without masks, because they are invincible but there were several people, frail and probably in their 80s without masks. Why ?
might have breathing issues. A lot of people were exempt from masks for that reason back when they were compulsory. They were given a little card to show.
might have breathing issues. A lot of people were exempt from masks for that reason back when they were compulsory. They were given a little card to show.
ive a card but never used it. i just didnt go out.. i use a mask bracket now, which helps a lot so i can now wear one for short periods
hifi_dave
09-11-2021, 17:47
might have breathing issues. A lot of people were exempt from masks for that reason back when they were compulsory. They were given a little card to show.
Could be but there were so many.
a lot of folk think its over; well it isnt, not by a long chalk. people can only live in terror for so long then it just goes away for most part. it happened in the blitz. Of course one of the great levelers was that for most part everyone was treated equally. Boris's govt made the mistake of making it one rule for them and theirs and another for rest of us. All that is needed is a credible alternative to him and his for them to be ousted. before its too late.
Not wearing a mask in public inside is foolish and potentially dangerous especially to others.
I agree, it’s probably 50/50 wearing/not wearing masks in Tesco at lunchtime. I started wearing one before they were compulsory, and have no intention of stopping when inside with the great unwashed, even when (if) COVID is history - I’ve not caught any cold or bug (apart from one my son brought home) since I’ve been masked up so it must do something!
not everyone wears them up here but 95% do im told, as its illegal technically not to. the tory mp's wanted rid and forced issue in westmonster;) but the scottish parliament wisely kept them.
Stryder5
09-11-2021, 21:58
might have breathing issues. A lot of people were exempt from masks for that reason back when they were compulsory. They were given a little card to show.
There was and is no mandate for any card, nor was it given per se, you had to download it or ask for one. It was purely for comfort of people that felt intimidated when asked why they weren’t wearing a mask. Neither do you have to give any reasons for being exempt. You do not need any medical documents to prove you are, indeed, exempt.
Gary
Stryder5
09-11-2021, 22:11
not everyone wears them up here but 95% do im told, as its illegal technically not to. the tory mp's wanted rid and forced issue in westmonster;) but the scottish parliament wisely kept them.
The same exemptions apply in Scotland so not technically illegal not to wear a mask.
I’ve commented on this subject in Macca’s post.
The guidance says if you’re wearing a mask, it’s only effective if worn correctly
So who’s wearing the mask correctly as defined in the WHO directive? No really who on here has read this directive, and is complying 100%?
Gary
rmcin626
09-11-2021, 22:31
Scot Gov
By law, everyone aged 12 and over must wear a face covering, unless exempt, in most indoor public spaces, including:
shops
public transport services and premises, including bus stops - this includes when sitting down in a hospitality area on a ferry or train (unless eating or drinking)
taxis and hire vehicles
bars, cafes, restaurants, nightclubs and takeaways
hair salons, beauty and nail parlours, tattoo studios and any other indoor close contact service setting
churches and other places of worship
crematoriums and funeral parlours
gyms, leisure centres, swimming pools and indoor fitness studios
community centres
conference or exhibition centres
banks, building societies, registration offices and credit unions
hotels
during a driving lesson or test (unless everyone in the vehicle is part of the same household)
libraries, museums and galleries
indoor entertainment venues, such as cinemas, bingo halls, comedy clubs, theatres, concert halls, sport stadia
indoor leisure facilities, such as casinos, amusement arcades, soft play centres, indoor funfairs, among others
indoor places where clubs and societies meet
any indoor, or part of an indoor, public space used for weddings or civil partnership registration and as a polling station or counting votes
storage and distribution facilities, including collection and drop-off points
in communal areas and canteens in workplaces (apart from early learning and school settings), this includes tradespeople working in homes, colleges and universities, health care settings, such as dentists, hospitals, and care homes, and any other indoor setting where work is carried out
Check the face covering regulations on the legislation.gov.uk website for more details.
Other places and situations when you are advised to wear a face covering
Although it’s not the law, you are also advised to wear a face covering:
in outdoor crowded places, such as school and nursery gates and entrances
if you are sharing a car with people who are not in your household
when interacting with someone making a delivery to your home
Face covering exemptions Overview
First published: 30 Oct 2020 Last updated: 18 Oct 2021 - show all updates
There was and is no mandate for any card, nor was it given per se, you had to download it or ask for one. It was purely for comfort of people that felt intimidated when asked why they weren’t wearing a mask. Neither do you have to give any reasons for being exempt. You do not need any medical documents to prove you are, indeed, exempt.
Gary
Except they would not serve you in shops unless you had a mask or a card. So the reality was you needed one or the other.
I agree that most masks are not effective at all and people don't wear them properly anyway.
Stryder5
10-11-2021, 09:13
https://www.gov.scot/news/face-covering-exemption-cards-launched/
Scot Gov
By law, everyone aged 12 and over must wear a face covering, unless exempt, in most indoor public spaces, including:
shops
public transport services and premises, including bus stops - this includes when sitting down in a hospitality area on a ferry or train (unless eating or drinking)
taxis and hire vehicles
bars, cafes, restaurants, nightclubs and takeaways
hair salons, beauty and nail parlours, tattoo studios and any other indoor close contact service setting
churches and other places of worship
crematoriums and funeral parlours
gyms, leisure centres, swimming pools and indoor fitness studios
community centres
conference or exhibition centres
banks, building societies, registration offices and credit unions
hotels
during a driving lesson or test (unless everyone in the vehicle is part of the same household)
libraries, museums and galleries
indoor entertainment venues, such as cinemas, bingo halls, comedy clubs, theatres, concert halls, sport stadia
indoor leisure facilities, such as casinos, amusement arcades, soft play centres, indoor funfairs, among others
indoor places where clubs and societies meet
any indoor, or part of an indoor, public space used for weddings or civil partnership registration and as a polling station or counting votes
storage and distribution facilities, including collection and drop-off points
in communal areas and canteens in workplaces (apart from early learning and school settings), this includes tradespeople working in homes, colleges and universities, health care settings, such as dentists, hospitals, and care homes, and any other indoor setting where work is carried out
Check the face covering regulations on the legislation.gov.uk website for more details.
Other places and situations when you are advised to wear a face covering
Although it’s not the law, you are also advised to wear a face covering:
in outdoor crowded places, such as school and nursery gates and entrances
if you are sharing a car with people who are not in your household
when interacting with someone making a delivery to your home
Face covering exemptions Overview
First published: 30 Oct 2020 Last updated: 18 Oct 2021 - show all updates
Stryder5
10-11-2021, 09:19
Except they would not serve you in shops unless you had a mask or a card. So the reality was you needed one or the other.
I agree that most masks are not effective at all and people don't wear them properly anyway.
In the 18 months of personal experience not ever wearing a mask, not one shop has refused to let me in or serve me!
So in reality I didn’t need one.
Gary
In the 18 months of personal experience not ever wearing a mask, not one shop has refused to let me in or serve me!
So in reality I didn’t need one.
Gary
our corner shop, the chemists and the market would not serve anyone who didn't have a mask or a card. When masks were compulsory. They're not bothered now.
Not really been anywhere else except the record shop - who still insist on masks even now, but they hand them out at the door.
Pierre De Grenoble
10-11-2021, 12:52
In the 18 months of personal experience not ever wearing a mask, not one shop has refused to let me in or serve me!
So in reality I didn’t need one.
Gary
Shops / transport etc are still compulsory here in Wales. I've actually come to the conclusion that its a matter of common curtesy.
Shops / transport etc are still compulsory here in Wales. I've actually come to the conclusion that its a matter of common curtesy.
me too
Stryder5
10-11-2021, 13:01
The question stands have you read the World Health Organisation document on how to wear a mask correctly? And do you follow it always?
Gary
Pierre De Grenoble
10-11-2021, 13:03
The question stands have you read the World Health Organisation document on how to wear a mask correctly? And do you follow it always?
Gary
Of course I haven't and no I probably don't... but hey I make the effort
i have and i do... i also use an inner cage to support it and keep it off my face.
Stryder5
10-11-2021, 13:36
Of course I haven't and no I probably don't... but hey I make the effort
Pointless then! If it’s not effective. Your paying lip service that helps no one.
Gary
Stryder5
10-11-2021, 13:46
i have and i do... i also use an inner cage to support it and keep it off my face.
As you know the following applies.
You don’t touch it to keep in place? Where do you put it when not wearing it? How do you take it off and handle it.
Does it fit tightly with no gaps or vents.
Why an inner cage?
Gary
not pointless. maybe not perfect but a little is better than nothing. the mask is more to protect others from you.
rmcin626
10-11-2021, 13:51
a mask is not a chin warmer, should cover your nose and mouth, you should also be washing your hands as often as possible.
Stryder5
10-11-2021, 13:52
not pointless. maybe not perfect but a little is better than nothing. the mask is more to protect others from you.
Pointless definitely, by not complying your pretending to protect others but you’re not. In fact you could be spreading infections by handling your mask incorrectly and transferring to anything you touch.
Gary
rmcin626
10-11-2021, 14:00
Pointless definitely, by not complying your pretending to protect others but you’re not. In fact you could be spreading infections by handling your mask incorrectly and transferring to anything you touch.
Gary
Wither it is pointless or not is irrelevant in Scotland as by Law a face covering must be worn in certain circumstances, as detailed above.
our corner shop, the chemists and the market would not serve anyone who didn't have a mask or a card. When masks were compulsory. They're not bothered now.
Not really been anywhere else except the record shop - who still insist on masks even now, but they hand them out at the door.
Fresh, I hope :eek:
I don't understand how people can say a mask is no use, if you cough or sneeze it will act as a barrier and stop/reduce the number of, potentially, disease ridden particulates flying around the place - more effectively than putting you hand over your face or sneezing in to your sleeve.
I agree that it is a matter of courtesy to wear one.
Just an observation (no scientific basis), I am certain that people who don't wear a mask in shops are also the ones that don't give a toss about "social distancing".
My extrapolation of my observation - can I trust people who don't wear a mask or socially distance to follow any advice on hygiene :nono:
As you know the following applies.
You don’t touch it to keep in place? Where do you put it when not wearing it? How do you take it off and handle it.
Does it fit tightly with no gaps or vents.
Why an inner cage?
Gary
cage helps me breathe and it also makes the mask easier to use. its on off with ear straps. hands a cleaned with alcohol. both in car. along with plenty others. mask goes over nose tightly so specs dont fog up. over mouth and chin. no gaps anywhere and cage helps with this. before i found them i couldnt wear one and although ive a badge, i didnt go out at all, as too many folk were attacking people for not wearing them. anyway i dont want to be mixing closely with people who might have it. a mask helps; its not a pancea but every little helps to stay protected. i use a good alcohol handwash a dozen times a day, even in house plus all the washing. im taking as few chances as i have to. i got swine flu pandemic and it nearly killed me. this one will finish job.
Stryder5
10-11-2021, 14:30
Wither it is pointless or not is irrelevant in Scotland as by Law a face covering must be worn in certain circumstances, as detailed above.
And exemptions as I’ve outlined above.
Gary
Stryder5
10-11-2021, 14:35
cage helps me breathe and it also makes the mask easier to use. its on off with ear straps. hands a cleaned with alcohol. both in car. along with plenty others. mask goes over nose tightly so specs dont fog up. over mouth and chin. no gaps anywhere and cage helps with this. before i found them i couldnt wear one and although ive a badge, i didnt go out at all, as too many folk were attacking people for not wearing them. anyway i dont want to be mixing closely with people who might have it. a mask helps; its not a pancea but every little helps to stay protected. i use a good alcohol handwash a dozen times a day, even in house plus all the washing. im taking as few chances as i have to. i got swine flu pandemic and it nearly killed me. this one will finish job.
My fervent wish is that you survive any illness!
Gary
Scottish numbers: 10 November 2021
Summary
3,852 new cases of COVID-19 reported
44,434 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
9.1% of these were positive
19 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
61 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
778 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,325,307 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,920,006 have received their second dose
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7B7B/production/_121511613_____council_covid_rates_as_of_2021-11-07-nc.png
my area has dropped a bit.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/14317/production/_121511728_464c11b3-7183-41b6-97a9-a09f0377afd8-nc.png
Scottish numbers: 11 November 2021
Summary
3,340 new cases of COVID-19 reported
42,983 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
8.2% of these were positive
26 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
60 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
768 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,326,392 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,921,971 have received their second dose
Scottish numbers: 12 November 2021
Summary
3,349 new cases of COVID-19 reported
36,048 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
9.8% of these were positive
17 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
55 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
759 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,325,523 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,922,893 have received their second dose
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/38ED/production/_121537541_____council_covid_rates_as_of_2021-11-09.png
seems north of scotland and islands are the highest now as rates that have been pretty level for some time increase. Normally the north and islands are very low..its odd.
Scottish numbers: 13 November 2021
Summary
3,052 new cases of COVID-19 reported
32,079 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
10.1% of these were positive
13 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
59 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
780 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,326,637 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,924,305 have received their second dose
Covid: Austria orders nationwide lockdown for unvaccinated, and they are not the only ones..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59283128
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13713/production/_121553697_vacc1411-nc.png
Scottish numbers: 14 November 2021
Summary
3,077 new cases of COVID-19 reported
31,384 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
10.3 % of these were positive
1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
56 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
765 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,327,340 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,924,870 have received their second dose.
% wise its about 93% for first dose and 88% on second. About 27% have had a booster.
Scottish numbers: 15 November 2021
Summary
2,288 new cases of COVID-19 reported
19,898 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
12.3% of these were positive
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are generally closed at the weekend)
57 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
771 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,330,321 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,929,012 have received their second dose
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13016/production/_121564877_____council_covid_rates_as_of_2021-11-12-nc.png
rmcin626
15-11-2021, 16:48
Scottish numbers: 15 November 2021
Summary
2,288 new cases of COVID-19 reported
19,898 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
12.3% of these were positive
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are generally closed at the weekend)
57 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
771 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,330,321 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,929,012 have received their second dose
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13016/production/_121564877_____council_covid_rates_as_of_2021-11-12-nc.png
Good to see that Inverclyde is declining, although still too high
Good to see that Inverclyde is declining, although still too highYeah mine is currently about as low as it's been.
Low population areas seem to be unusually high . Not sure why. It's not holiday season
rmcin626
15-11-2021, 18:37
Yeah mine is currently about as low as it's been.
Low population areas seem to be unusually high . Not sure why. It's not holiday season
It’s hard to gauge, Orkney high , Shetland low, all very strange
anthonyTD
16-11-2021, 15:36
Please watch this, this really is my last post on this subject, if any of you watch these interviews and still don't get the message, then i am not sure what more can be done to help you understand the real situation we are facing.
https://renz-law.com/vaccine-risks-for-children/
may stop this as no one is interested.
Scottish numbers: 16 November 2021
Summary
2,771 new cases of COVID-19 reported
22,733 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
12.8% of these were positive
17 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
57 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
779 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,331,574 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,930,317 have received their second dose.
% pos is a bit high at 12.8%
Stryder5
16-11-2021, 16:38
Probably because it is, and always has been irrelevant. Without including statistics of cases recovered from alleged virus the picture is incomplete and not indicative of truth.
Gary
may stop this as no one is interested.
Scottish numbers: 16 November 2021
Summary
2,771 new cases of COVID-19 reported
22,733 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
12.8% of these were positive
17 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
57 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
779 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
4,331,574 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination and 3,930,317 have received their second dose.
% pos is a bit high at 12.8%
a typical response... anyway its up to the membership if they want it to continue.
im pretty much finished.
Stryder5
16-11-2021, 16:45
Please watch this, this really is my last post on this subject, if any of you watch these interviews and still don't get the message, then i am not sure what more can be done to help you understand the real situation we are facing.
https://renz-law.com/vaccine-risks-for-children/
Anthony, the brainwashed masses will never get this, how can they own up to being conned for so long, as you know the truth around this farce is out there in many forms.
Gary
Stryder5
16-11-2021, 16:53
a typical response... anyway its up to the membership if they want it to continue.
im pretty much finished.
When did the membership ask you to start, or did you do it of your own volition?
If doing it makes you feel safer, do continue .
I think your time would be better spent looking at meaningful information, that unfortunately will take you out of your comfort zone.
Gary
Postman delivered a flier today - "Suffolk. Covid - 19 alert"
Is it just a local initiative or nationwide - anyone else get one?
Stryder5
16-11-2021, 17:46
Postman delivered a flier today - "Suffolk. Covid - 19 alert"
Is it just a local initiative or nationwide - anyone else get one?
Not in Shropshire.
Gary
https://i.postimg.cc/43WHfWNF/IMG-0736.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HJ7k34MQ)
It's on that glossy paper which makes it impossible to recycle :doh:
Pigmy Pony
16-11-2021, 18:48
https://i.postimg.cc/43WHfWNF/IMG-0736.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HJ7k34MQ)
It's on that glossy paper which makes it impossible to recycle :doh:
And you can't even "repurpose" it. Worse than Izal. But it's good that you Suffolk folk are kept informed, news to us in Lancashire though. What's a Covid?
Stryder5
16-11-2021, 18:49
It’s a type of bird...
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Please watch this, this really is my last post on this subject, if any of you watch these interviews and still don't get the message, then i am not sure what more can be done to help you understand the real situation we are facing.
https://renz-law.com/vaccine-risks-for-children/
According to the leader of the article:
"It was my pleasure to provide input to God’s chosen people on such an important issue and I hope it will save lives".
What if you are not one of the chosen?
Stryder5
16-11-2021, 20:11
According to the leader of the article:
"It was my pleasure to provide input to God’s chosen people on such an important issue and I hope it will save lives".
What if you are not one of the chosen?
“God’s chosen people” has its roots in the bible. The Jews are thus referred to, as I remember it, no reason for the reference has been found.
As the article outlines addressing a meeting of Jews on the Covid subject it’s natural for this salutation.
If you’re not one of the chosen you may not be of a certain religious following. But as Dave Allen used to say:-
“May your God go with you”.
Gary
walpurgis
19-11-2021, 09:51
In Austria, vaccination against Covid will become mandatory from February. I dare say exceptions may happen on medical grounds, but I wonder how those with ethical objections will cope.
“God’s chosen people” has its roots in the bible. The Jews are thus referred to, as I remember it, no reason for the reference has been found.
As the article outlines addressing a meeting of Jews on the Covid subject it’s natural for this salutation.
If you’re not one of the chosen you may not be of a certain religious following. But as Dave Allen used to say:-
“May your God go with you”.
Gary
Old Testament - Moses:
“For you [Israel] are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession” (Deuteronomy 7:6).
Stryder5
19-11-2021, 15:29
Old Testament - Moses:
“For you [Israel] are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession” (Deuteronomy 7:6).
Still no reason for God’s reference though!
Gary
A grim reminder from Post #1
Over 5 Million now Dead.
https://i.imgur.com/M6CGfYT.jpg
Do your part.
Look after others and get vaccinated.
Still no reason for God’s reference though!
Gary
It was a thank you from God (Yahweh) to the people of Israel for their belief in there being only one god (Yahweh) :)
Bksabath
20-11-2021, 16:31
What a load of non sense
People created their own God to make their own feel better than any else and justify loads of very wrong things
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2021, 17:18
What a load of non sense
People created their own God to make their own feel better than any else and justify loads of very wrong things
My only contribution on this subject is to say I won't be contributing. Never ends well...
My only contribution on this subject is to say I won't be contributing. Never ends well...
:thumbsup: wish we had a "like button" :)
Bksabath
21-11-2021, 11:53
My only contribution on this subject is to say I won't be contributing. Never ends well...
Nice one 100%
Nutrients | Free Full-Text | COVID-19 Mortality Risk Correlates Inversely with Vitamin D3 Status, and a Mortality Rate Close to Zero Could Theoretically Be Achieved at 50 ng/mL 25(OH)D3: Results of a Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis | HTML (mdpi.com) (https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3596/htm)
Vitamin D levels advised - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5g9AVqRsjo)
New documents back theory that Covid outbreak started in Wuhan lab (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/new-documents-back-theory-that-covid-outbreak-started-in-wuhan-lab/ar-AAQWxbs?ocid=msedgntp)
"You Are Irresponsible",Rand Paul calls Out Dr Fauci. For Wuhan Lab Leak Denial - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u7WEQIdZdU)
Lets keep it in topic
Had my booster yesterday - quick and efficient, jab bang on time (10.55). Many thanks to all those involved :)
Moderna vaccine this time (Astra for first and second), feeling a bit chilly this morning and a bit of a headache. Just had some ibuprofen and going to take dog for long walk to try and freshen up/clear my head..
rmcin626
22-11-2021, 12:23
i had my booster a week or so ago and also the Flu jag at the same time, no issues
Well, Ibuprofen and walk (chilly wind, but quite lovely :)) seems to have done the trick.
I need to chase up the flu jab - local GP has waiting list and local pharmacies seem to be booked up until mid/late December. I was wondering whether there is a supply problem with the vaccine?
Seem to be doing them together up here at the vaccine areas. Doc's surgery's not doing them here.
I won't get my 3rd dose til next year, so unlikely I will get the flu jab til then. I will just have to be extra careful. Means not going to daughters for Xmas dinner again alas.
rmcin626
22-11-2021, 14:52
Seem to be doing them together up here at the vaccine areas. Doc's surgery's not doing them here.
I won't get my 3rd dose til next year, so unlikely I will get the flu jab til then. I will just have to be extra careful. Means not going to daughters for Xmas dinner again alas.
Mine was done at the town hall, can they not come to your house Grant
Yes that's what they said. But I didn't get second til July so it's January before I get it. I'm betting they won't come twice so won't get flu til then
Mikeandvan
26-11-2021, 22:55
Highly contagious new variant emerges in South Africa, in 2-3 weeks we'll see how harmful it is. I've been pretty lax in my attitude towards this virus, but what happens if it mutates to become as deadly as the Spanish Flu? Still can't understand why there isn't more anger at China over this.
walpurgis
27-11-2021, 09:49
Still can't understand why there isn't more anger at China over this.
I can't see there'd be any point. It wouldn't make me feel any better about it all.
I'm just glad to have got through having it. That was not much fun!
Highly contagious new variant emerges in South Africa, in 2-3 weeks we'll see how harmful it is. I've been pretty lax in my attitude towards this virus, but what happens if it mutates to become as deadly as the Spanish Flu? Still can't understand why there isn't more anger at China over this.
2 cases found in uk already. closing stable door after horse has bolted...again.
mad-moon
27-11-2021, 19:50
2 cases found in uk already. closing stable door after horse has bolted...again.
This one, Omicron, is a real nasty bastard too...10 mutations opposed to 2 of the Delta variant...it also bypasses the vaccines with ease...face masks become compulsory again....Lockdowns round the corner me thinks...
Mikeandvan
28-11-2021, 21:48
Another boring winter ahead, unless of course the Omricron strain causes peoples heads to explode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r215REYSKso
mad-moon
29-11-2021, 04:41
Another boring winter ahead, unless of course the Omricron strain causes peoples heads to explode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r215REYSKso
Great movie...well worth a watch...
This one, Omicron, is a real nasty bastard too...10 mutations opposed to 2 of the Delta variant...it also bypasses the vaccines with ease...face masks become compulsory again....Lockdowns round the corner me thinks...
6 cases in scotland already found. looks to be a fast spreader. at least 3 are community... not great, as it means there is a lot more.
Stryder5
29-11-2021, 09:46
Another boring winter ahead, unless of course the Omricron strain causes peoples heads to explode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r215REYSKso
Would people be protected after 2 jabs + booster + Christmas booster (sorry not PC, holiday booster)......what happens after Omega.....
Muse has it sorted SUPREMACY!
Gary
Omicron is the small one, Omega will be the last and greatest.
mad-moon
29-11-2021, 17:46
Omicron B...anagram...No Crimbo
Omicron is the small one, Omega will be the last and greatest.
i used to run a company called omega:D it was the last, but not the greatest.:eek:
i used to run a company called omega:D it was the last, but not the greatest.:eek:
You made some great watches, though. [emoji846]
Pigmy Pony
29-11-2021, 18:53
You made some great watches, though. [emoji846]
Indeed, but in the end his company was just ticking over :)
Worse than that - the company was wound up!
Worse than that - the company was wound up!
i gave it away actually(looking after the wife and daughter was more important), but it was then wound up several years later :D
The UK’s minimum gap for Covid booster jabs will be halved from six months to three, after the government accepted advice from its vaccines watchdog to speed up the programme to limit the spread of the Omicron variant.
The health secretary, Sajid Javid, confirmed that all adults would be offered the jab, after the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) announced that the waiting time was being cut for all adults, with priority for booking to be decided by the NHS.
The watchdog said adults aged 18 to 39 should be offered booster jabs and recommended cutting the gap between second and third doses from at least six months to at least three months.
i gave it away actually(looking after the wife and daughter was more important), but it was then wound up several years later :D
Sorry to hear that Grant. I hope my rather poor pun didn't bring back bad memories.
Sorry to hear that Grant. I hope my rather poor pun didn't bring back bad memories.
It probably just turned back the clock...? ;)
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Just has a desparate call from a mate of mine to say that with a Christmas lockdown imminent, we ought to organise a clebratory drink tout suite.
So, lunchtime tommorrow at our local hostelry it is.
.
Sorry to hear that Grant. I hope my rather poor pun didn't bring back bad memories.
no mate, its water under bridge. long time ago really. daughter was still in primary and she has kids herself now; one in secondary:D i am glad i had the chance to make a contribution to her future in a positive, personal way as opposed to just money.
too many folk think money is everything.
Just has a desparate call from a mate of mine to say that with a Christmas lockdown imminent, we ought to organise a clebratory drink tout suite.
So, lunchtime tommorrow at our local hostelry it is.
.
i doubt that will happen mate, but may have to eat humble pie later:doh:
Pigmy Pony
29-11-2021, 20:32
Worse than that - the company was wound up!
Watch out, Barry's about :D
Pigmy Pony
29-11-2021, 20:35
It probably just turned back the clock...? ;)
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When it comes to comedy, timing is everything :)
Stryder5
29-11-2021, 21:34
The latest TV broadcast on Covid-19 advises opening your windows at home to let the virus out. Enlightening that it appears the virus mainly rises inside the house and when a window is opened the virus continues to rise.
Is the best protection then to lie on the floor?
Is opening a window to let the virus out to infect other people not counter productive?
Follow the science :D
Pigmy Pony
29-11-2021, 21:40
The latest TV broadcast on Covid-19 advises opening your windows at home to let the virus out. Enlightening that it appears the virus mainly rises inside the house and when a window is opened the virus continues to rise.
Is the best protection then to lie on the floor?
Is opening a window to let the virus out to infect other people not counter productive?
Follow the science :D
Does my head in. I open the window to let the virus out, it goes out, then 5 minutes later it wants to come in again. In, out, all bloody day. :(
Cat! I meant cat! Blasted spell check :(
Stryder5
30-11-2021, 09:07
Does my head in. I open the window to let the virus out, it goes out, then 5 minutes later it wants to come in again. In, out, all bloody day. :(
Cat! I meant cat! Blasted spell check :(
Just brilliant!! :youtheman:
Gary
Beobloke
04-12-2021, 23:45
Well this feels weird. Whatever tomorrow’s figures for England are - looks like I’m part of them.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211204/31ead02e9dac2157d4ac86f9287abce8.jpg
Mikeandvan
05-12-2021, 14:48
Well this feels weird. Whatever tomorrow’s figures for England are - looks like I’m part of them.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211204/31ead02e9dac2157d4ac86f9287abce8.jpg
Are you having any symptoms?
Mikeandvan
05-12-2021, 14:50
I had a low grade cold for the past month, that seemed to peak in the last few days, then when I expected to recover I didn't, took a lateral flow test this morning which proved positive, had a mild temp yesterday, but ok today, with just mild aches, and generally just want to stay in. Although I do hope I'm not one of the reported 50% of cases to suffer this side effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0FnfGblLr8
Beobloke
05-12-2021, 15:34
Are you having any symptoms?
It just feels like a cold, to be honest. Cough, snotty nose and I just feel a bit below par. No shivers, temperature, fatigue or anything like that.
That said, my sense of smell and taste have completely vanished, which is a bit unnerving!
Pigmy Pony
07-12-2021, 17:33
Got my Covid booster this morning, feels like my arm has been kicked. Wasn't like this the last two times. Don't know why I had to stick around for 15 minutes afterwards, this apparently is only required with Pfizer. I should have asked why.
walpurgis
07-12-2021, 17:40
My booster was Pfizer and at the time I said it felt as though I'd been whacked with a baseball bat, it wore off after half a day though. I didn't get that with the first two jabs which were AstraZeneca.
Pigmy Pony
07-12-2021, 17:50
Did you have to stick around afterwards? The nurse did say to me "because it's the Pfizer", but didn't elaborate.
son was told to stay 15 mins. he got the moderna this time after az before. said he was fine after.
walpurgis
07-12-2021, 18:08
I was told to stay 15 minutes on all three occasions. Out of curiosity, I did ask each time if they'd had anybody with an anaphylactic reaction and was told no.
Pierre De Grenoble
07-12-2021, 18:14
son was told to stay 15 mins. he got the moderna this time after az before. said he was fine after.
yep same same (Moderna after Astro Zenicas ) got asked to piss off after 10 mins tho cos they wanted my chair...
no problems tho, arm was sore for less than a day.
I was told to stay 15 minutes on all three occasions. Out of curiosity, I did ask each time if they'd had anybody with an anaphylactic reaction and was told no.
they said no.. just heart attacks :D
walpurgis
07-12-2021, 21:03
If you had the virus and have since been jabbed (as I have). You may be better protected.
Interesting reports:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/omicron-wuhan-b970416.html
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-previous-infection-and-vaccination-combine-for-best-protection-against-variants-12489031
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