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Yesh, a good fart is hard to grind.
Marco.
Oh dear, Alan. Still, you've a good heart and that's hard to find :)
Brilliant :)
Stryder5
25-01-2021, 17:05
https://www.facebook.com/jodieleigh.dolan.1/videos/148606610397430/
Sorry, Gary. don't get it... What are we supposed to be looking at that's either surprising or new?:scratch:
Marco.
ai picture recognition i guess.. nowt especially new about it tho if thats what it is.
Filterlab
25-01-2021, 18:37
Definitely not new. It’s just tying facial and gait recognition to a database. Recognition software is donkeys old, it’s even been in Apple’s photo software (iPhoto then Photos) for years, and even that can calculate the same person’s face even if they age significantly.
Definitely not new. It’s just tying facial and gait recognition to a database. Recognition software is donkeys old, it’s even been in Apple’s photo software (iPhoto then Photos) for years, and even that can calculate the same person’s face even if they age significantly.
yes it reminded me of an old google photo app.
I put the smart-phone facial recognition software to the test today.
My partner often wants me to take her photograph with her smart-phone (I don't have one). When I point the phone at her, the camera recognises her and the camera just clicks away without me having to do anything. But today, she wanted me to take a photo of her wearing a mask, which of course covers much of her face. The camera didn't recognise her and so I had to press the button.
Stryder5
25-01-2021, 19:55
Sorry, Gary. don't get it... What are we supposed to be looking at that's either surprising or new?:scratch:
Marco.
Just a little demonstration of how you can be tracked, this is not new or even current but it demonstrates how not only can you be tracked but they can check how far apart you are.
Gary
Just a little demonstration of how you can be tracked, this is not new or even current but it demonstrates how not only can you be tracked but they can check how far apart you are.
Ok, thanks. Just to be clear: I couldn't give a flying fuck about being 'tracked' or 'spied upon' in town centres, as I've got nothing to hide [lead a reasonably non-eventful life], so track and spy away, until you're heart's content..
What I have a BIG problem with isn't being spied upon or surveilled, but CONTROLLED, or worse, *enslaved* by the state, which is potentially one day where all this tech could lead to, IF abused by the relevant authorities.
Therefore, it's not being spied upon that's the problem, unless you're up to no good and have something to hide; it's what the plan ultimately is for all the spying.
Marco.
mad-moon
25-01-2021, 21:03
Ok, thanks. Just to be clear: I couldn't give a flying fuck about being 'tracked' or 'spied upon' in town centres, as I've got nothing to hide [lead a reasonably non-eventful life], so track and spy away, until you're heart's content..
What I have a BIG problem with isn't being spied upon or surveilled, but CONTROLLED, or worse, *enslaved* by the state, which is potentially one day where all this tech could lead to, IF abused by the relevant authorities.
Therefore, it's not being spied upon that's the problem, unless you're up to no good and have something to hide; it's what the plan ultimately is for all the spying.
I think what Gary was getting at, is the powers that be, through this technology, face recognition etc etc...means, they potentially, don't even have to get out of their seats to send you a £200.00 fine for not social distancing..as your face will be on a data base with all your details..allegedly
Yes indeed, Alan, which is what I'm saying... It's them seeking to impose more and more CONTROL, and how far that could go and where it might lead, that's the real cause for concern!
Marco.
mad-moon
25-01-2021, 21:54
Yes indeed, Alan, which is what I'm saying... It's them seeking to impose more and more CONTROL, and how far that could go and where it might lead, that's the real cause for concern!
Marco.
It does seem to be heading that way...
Pigmy Pony
26-01-2021, 07:25
I see that one of Lee Rigby's killers (Michael Adebowale) is in hospital with Covid, taking up oxygen that could be given to patients that don't go round killing British soldiers. I'm sure we all wish him a speedy recovery...
mad-moon
26-01-2021, 08:35
I see that one of Lee Rigby's killers (Michael Adebowale) is in hospital with Covid, taking up oxygen that could be given to patients that don't go round killing British soldiers. I'm sure we all wish him a speedy recovery...
Not really....and I dare not comment any further...
Filterlab
26-01-2021, 08:42
Ok, thanks. Just to be clear: I couldn't give a flying fuck about being 'tracked' or 'spied upon' in town centres, as I've got nothing to hide [lead a reasonably non-eventful life], so track and spy away, until you're heart's content..
What I have a BIG problem with isn't being spied upon or surveilled, but CONTROLLED, or worse, *enslaved* by the state, which is potentially one day where all this tech could lead to, IF abused by the relevant authorities.
Therefore, it's not being spied upon that's the problem, unless you're up to no good and have something to hide; it's what the plan ultimately is for all the spying.
Marco.
I know what you mean. If someone really wants to watch me go to a client's place, collect a computer and return it the next day (yawn), then they're more than welcome to watch. :lol: I have nothing to hide.
Indeed; even if you pop into La Senza afterwards, for a pair of your usual frillies, and kid on that they're for your girlfriend:eyebrows:
Marco.
Filterlab
26-01-2021, 10:50
Indeed; even if you pop into La Senza afterwards, for a pair of your usual frillies, and kid on that they're for your girlfriend:eyebrows:
Marco.
Well, they're plainly in view as I wear them on my head.
mad-moon
26-01-2021, 12:31
The future son in-law is a Policeman..He has the NHS Covid19 app on his phone, which went off yesterday, as one of his fellow officers has contracted Covid 19. He went home to isolate and they are pestering the life out of him to go into work, as they are short staffed..I couldn't believe my eyes, when I opened the text my daughter sent to me....I'd bet my last ten pound note, if he was off duty and got caught breaking lockdown, the fuckers would fine him £200.00...absolutely disgraceful...talk about double standards..just another organisation, who should know better...tossers
it doesnt surprise me.. all companies/orginisations behave this way.. but its worse when its the folk who do the fining.. heads should roll
The future son in-law is a Policeman..He has the NHS Covid19 app on his phone, which went off yesterday, as one of his fellow officers has contracted Covid 19. He went home to isolate and they are pestering the life out of him to go into work, as they are short staffed..I couldn't believe my eyes, when I opened the text my daughter sent to me....I'd bet my last ten pound note, if he was off duty and got caught breaking lockdown, the fuckers would fine him £200.00...absolutely disgraceful...talk about double standards..just another organisation, who should know better...tossers
Shocking. mate, but the harsh reality is that they (the police, including your son-in-law) are just dispensable pawns in a corrupt system. The REAL authorities don't give give a flying fuck about their 'foot soldiers', as long as they carry out orders, far less your or me - and with how things are going, that situation is only set to get worse!
That's why 'people power' is SO vitally important, especially now, and if necessary not being afraid to stand up and FIGHT for your rights/freedoms, protesting in the streets if necessary, and defeating all forms of disgusting fascist dictatorship.
As I've said before, if comes to it, I'll be the ringleader, leading the revolution (as it's long overdue):trust:
Marco.
Filterlab
26-01-2021, 13:47
And they look silly in their helmets. :lol:
mad-moon
26-01-2021, 16:31
And they look silly in their helmets. :lol:
The police have scrapped the tall helmets...They don't need helmets to look stupid..
Filterlab
26-01-2021, 16:37
I didn't know that, on either point. :lol:
https://vimeo.com/94448433.
i wish to report a burglary
Pigmy Pony
26-01-2021, 20:42
Shocking. mate, but the harsh reality is that they (the police, including your son-in-law) are just dispensable pawns in a corrupt system. The REAL authorities don't give give a flying fuck about their 'foot soldiers', as long as they carry out orders, far less your or me - and with how things are going, that situation is only set to get worse!
That's why 'people power' is SO vitally important, especially now, and if necessary not being afraid to stand up and FIGHT for your rights/freedoms, protesting in the streets if necessary, and defeating all forms of disgusting fascist dictatorship.
As I've said before, if comes to it, I'll be the ringleader, leading the revolution (as it's long overdue):trust:
Marco.
Hi comrade, I'm still awaiting a reply to my earlier post (#5973) :popcorn: I want to book a holiday, but I don't want it to clash with the uprising :)
The police have scrapped the tall helmets...They don't need helmets to look stupid..
They did, but Thames Valley Police have reinstated them. I saw a policeman 'on the beat' today wearing the traditional helmet.
Hi comrade, I'm still awaiting a reply to my earlier post (#5973) :popcorn: I want to book a holiday, but I don't want it to clash with the uprising :)
Haha, very good, you'll have a long wait then!:ner:
Marco.
They did, but Thames Valley Police have reinstated them. I saw a policeman 'on the beat' today wearing the traditional helmet.
Worry, if they ask you to 'polish' it:eyebrows:
Marco.
Eldest daughter (NHS worker) has signed up for an Imperial College antibody testing project and has found that she has Covid 19 antibodies.
I guess that this means we have all been infected - youngest came home from Uni' December 2019 in a right state, continual "dry" cough/high temperature. We had not heard of Covid 19 at the time (it think that it is supposed to have entered UK in January/February 2020).
Early January, I was really rough, woke up in the night over the course of several days feeling quite panicky and having difficulty breathing. About a week after I felt a bit better I tried to go for a bike ride, but gave up after twenty minutes with chest pains. When I went to the doctor, he couldn't find any sign of chest infection.
Eldest daughter felt very tired/running temperature in March, she went to bed for a couple of days. She had Covid test on returning to work which came back negative.
Wife also had "a bit of a cold" (she's quite tough, Suffolk farming stock :)).
My point to all this is that if my suspicions are correct Covid 19 must have been in the UK (Brighton University at least) back in December 2019 at least.
I just wish that all my family could have an antibody test.
Filterlab
27-01-2021, 13:21
I had it in Dec 2019, took two days to fight it off. No biggy really.
I think way more has been made of this than is necessary, but that’s the mad worldwide culture these days brought on by sensationalist media. Everything, but everything is chaos, a disaster, tragedy, scandal and a world changing event. In actual fact none of it warrants this ridiculous panic and shutting down of the world.
hifi_dave
27-01-2021, 16:32
I had it in Dec 2019, took two days to fight it off. No biggy really.
I think way more has been made of this than is necessary, but that’s the mad worldwide culture these days brought on by sensationalist media. Everything, but everything is chaos, a disaster, tragedy, scandal and a world changing event. In actual fact none of it warrants this ridiculous panic and shutting down of the world.
Tell that to the families of the 100,000 who died of Covid.
Filterlab
27-01-2021, 17:15
That's just it though. If you read CAREFULLY, a lot of those figures are obviously incorrect. Read "He died with COVID" (and not 'of'), "She was diagnosed with COVID" (but it wasn't necessarily the cause of death or even an attributing factor). It's still all chalked up as COVID deaths though.
Ironically, and not surprisingly, all other causes of death have allegedly dropped in the past year. I can't help feeling that a lot of the true figures have been brushed under the carpet and hidden by COVID.
The government is so warped with its figures these days that it's hard to know what the ACTUAL death rate is. And look at other causes of death year on year; pneumonia itself killing 4,000,000 a year worldwide, yet does everything get closed and masked and prohibited because of that? No, of course not.
Warped, bent lies for a massive proportion of it.
I'm not saying that COVID isn't a cause of death, not at all, but the reaction to it is OTT in so many ways.
____
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wrexham-covid-vaccine-plant-wales-latest-b1793474.html
Marco, have you been leaving stuff laying about? :lol:
Yeah I heard about that... It's the same plant where my fart gas is stored, for public safety reasons:D
Btw, you have a PM:)
Marco.
This whole Covid-19 thing is a whole horrible nightmare that I never want to relive. :(
But me 80-y-o old Royal Marines friend Ken went for his jab today.
"How was it, Ken?" :scratch:
Like "The night of the living dead!" quoth he. :eek:
All the fellow patients were on their last legs. Old boys with walking sticks. :lol:
Ah well, we hope for the best. I get me jab next month. :)
This whole Covid-19 thing is a whole horrible nightmare that I never want to relive. :(
But me 80-y-o old Royal Marines friend Ken went for his jab today.
"How was it, Ken?" :scratch:
Like "The night of the living dead!" quoth he. :eek:
All the fellow patients were on their last legs. Old boys with walking sticks. :lol:
Ah well, we hope for the best. I get me jab next month. :)
Very good. Was gonna ask if yer old stick s been rubbed down in preparation...... but that sounds a bit rude !
Here’s a fact for those following along at home.
https://i.imgur.com/trLOXgw.jpg
And direct experience on the ground, an American perspective.
https://youtu.be/QdpSgEQKVNE
Firebottle
29-01-2021, 09:02
F^ck me, that brings it home. What an utter shit storm.
now we have a vaccine war with eu, who want more of the share.. oddly they havent even approved the vaccine yet tho.. eople wonder why eu is low on vaccinations, one reason might be they were slow to approve any and are currently only using one.
politicising vaccine shares to avoid any blame for being slow to plate. That said, although uk were first to order and first to approve, we need to make sure we aint cheating(or imorally stockpiling) as well..
AlasdairB
29-01-2021, 12:48
Dear Marco,
I respect your views on hifi but the stuff you are circulating about coronavirus is just plain wrong. Of course you are entitled to your own opinions about medical matters but this forum is not the place to debate them.
Please stick to hifi, stay healthy and keep enjoying the music.
Regards,
Alasdair
Firebottle
29-01-2021, 13:07
Alasdair I think you maybe barking up the wrong tree here.
The important word in Marco's signature is 'mandatory', I don't believe he is anti vaccine just pro free choice for each individual.
Alasdair I think you maybe barking up the wrong tree here.
The important word in Marco's signature is 'mandatory', I don't believe he is anti vaccine just anti free choice for each individual.
Shouldn't that be " .... pro free choice for each individual"? That those who are offered the vaccine can chose whether to accept it or not.
And direct experience on the ground, an American perspective.
https://youtu.be/QdpSgEQKVNE
I respect Marco's views, just as I respect what an open forum he runs.
Where else can you swear in an adult way? And get political or occasionally Religious without getting nasty, personal or over-moderated?
Of course, if you watch https://www.ukcolumn.org/, you can get a bit paranoid.
I don't lose sleep over jabs. Established technology. We've all had loads already. In fact I think people like the EU are over-cautious in approving them.
As it goes, my mate Greg had a flu-like illness after his jab, but is hale and hearty now. Maybe he just caught a cold anyway. Who knows?
now we have a vaccine war with eu, who want more of the share.. oddly they havent even approved the vaccine yet tho.. eople wonder why eu is low on vaccinations, one reason might be they were slow to approve any and are currently only using one.
politicising vaccine shares to avoid any blame for being slow to plate. That said, although uk were first to order and first to approve, we need to make sure we aint cheating(or imorally stockpiling) as well..
If we had not left the EU the Germans would have insisted that UK produced vaccine were allocated according to their whim.
FFS they haven't even cleared it for use yet and, unlike the UK government, wanted to argue about the price from Astrazeneca (hence the THREE MONTH delay in the EU ordering any).
Interesting that within a day of the EU demanding that a UK based company forget about a pre existing order from the UK, we find that the French have admitted that they can't produce a vaccine in the amounts needed (are the two announcements related :hmm:)
Good thing you only have to see that lady when you're dead. I feel like she never gets to any points that anyone cares about. If bodies are piling up it's due to some sort of processing delay. The yearly death counts in most places are not significantly affected.
She's fucking wrong about the mask thing. They're pointless.
Firebottle
29-01-2021, 19:42
Shouldn't that be " .... pro free choice for each individual"? That those who are offered the vaccine can chose whether to accept it or not.
Oops, yes, thanks Barry.
Where else?
Twitter.
And it has ZERO subtle undercurrents.
Check it out, you might like it.
I respect Marco's views, just as I respect what an open forum he runs.
Where else can you swear in an adult way? And get political or occasionally Religious without getting nasty, personal or over-moderated?
Of course, if you watch https://www.ukcolumn.org/, you can get a bit paranoid.
I don't lose sleep over jabs. Established technology. We've all had loads already. In fact I think people like the EU are over-cautious in approving them.
As it goes, my mate Greg had a flu-like illness after his jab, but is hale and hearty now. Maybe he just caught a cold anyway. Who knows?
Here it comes, fucking EU cutting up rough:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442
We were so right to move out of this corrupt "union" (German domination of Europe after two major failed attempts).
Unfortunately, "remainers" will try to use this as a reason why we should have stayed.
The Vinyl Adventure
29-01-2021, 22:49
Here it comes, fucking EU cutting up rough:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442
We were so right to move out of this corrupt "union" (German domination of Europe after two major failed attempts).
Unfortunately, "remainers" will try to use this as a reason why we should have stayed.
With all due respect fella you must live in a cave or have been locked up at home too long.
You have no idea at all what leaving actually means as most were fed a host of lies in order to sway the vote the way the billionaires and corrupt politicians wanted.
With all due respect fella you must live in a cave or have been locked up at home too long.
You have no idea at all what leaving actually means as most were fed a host of lies in order to sway the vote the way the billionaires and corrupt politicians wanted.
So what you mean is with no respect at all :rolleyes:
Are you really so naïve to still believe that the EU acts in the best interests of all member states?
EDIT; Just in case you missed the reports in your cave:
https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/commission-takes-evasive-action-over-germanys-vaccine-side-deal/
Well the eu have decided to block all vaccines out of eu. Its a very German act one has to say. Their stormtroopers will be raiding companies next
Well the eu have decided to block all vaccines out of eu. Its a very German act one has to say. Their stormtroopers will be raiding companies next
Now reversed. Quicker turn than Kenny Dalglish LOL
Oh.
Good thing you only have to see that lady when you're dead. I feel like she never gets to any points that anyone cares about. If bodies are piling up it's due to some sort of processing delay. The yearly death counts in most places are not significantly affected.
She's fucking wrong about the mask thing. They're pointless.
Now reversed. Quicker turn than Kenny Dalglish LOL
:lol:
too late though - they have shown their true colours and hypocrisy.
I did think that what the EU were threatening that Belgian Vaccine company with was vaguely illegal.
But I am not a Lawyer. :)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55865539
First come, first served. That's us!
Anyway, we've got more bombs and aircraft carriers and jabs than the EU. Happy Days! :lol:
hifi_dave
30-01-2021, 14:37
Meantime I have just had my Astra Zeneca vaccination - one less for the EU.
Very impressed with the organisation. Dozens of cars coming and going yet I was in and out within 6 minutes. Well done NHS.
:thumbsup:
Meantime I have just had my Astra Zeneca vaccination - one less for the EU.
Very impressed with the organisation. Dozens of cars coming and going yet I was in and out within 6 minutes. Well done NHS.
Pigmy Pony
30-01-2021, 15:30
Oops, yes, thanks Barry.
Don't feel too bad about it Alan, Barry doesn't know how to spell "choose" :ner:
Pigmy Pony
30-01-2021, 15:37
Meantime I have just had my Astra Zeneca vaccination - one less for the EU.
Very impressed with the organisation. Dozens of cars coming and going yet I was in and out within 6 minutes. Well done NHS.
:) Nice to hear something positive for a change.
hifi_dave
31-01-2021, 11:59
:) Nice to hear something positive for a change.
I was on the verge of contacting my MP because our local vaccination centre has been closed 5 days/week, which I couldn't understand. Then I got the call to make an appointment.
I never cease to be amazed at how nice everyone in the NHS. I have had more than my share of contact with Nurses, Doctors, GPs and Consultants this past year and everyone has been brilliant.
good youve had it dave.. will give you a bit of protection if worst happens. I will be staying out of circulation for some time yet. still too high the transmission rates and they are only the tip of the iceberg.
Pigmy Pony
31-01-2021, 12:34
good youve had it dave.. will give you a bit of protection if worst happens. I will be staying out of circulation for some time yet. still too high the transmission rates and they are only the tip of the iceberg.
Of course. Although the vaccine provides some much-needed hope for the future, many will remain cautious for some time, and rightly so. I just hope this caution doesn't become the "new normal". With a finite number of summers left, I want to enjoy them on my own terms.
Of course. Although the vaccine provides some much-needed hope for the future, many will remain cautious for some time, and rightly so. I just hope this caution doesn't become the "new normal". With a finite number of summers left, I want to enjoy them on my own terms.
sure, i agree.. ive no idea how many ive got either/ not many i'd guess, but catching this will mean probably none. im hoping this summer will still be careful but much more open than last. im into month 12 now. im hoping 15 will be magic number
hifi_dave
31-01-2021, 15:02
good youve had it dave.. will give you a bit of protection if worst happens. I will be staying out of circulation for some time yet. still too high the transmission rates and they are only the tip of the iceberg.
Well, it's not 100% protection and it only helps prevent severe infection, so I will be doing the same as you. I won't be eating out or attending parties etc until the infection figures plummet.
Filterlab
31-01-2021, 18:06
Meantime I have just had my Astra Zeneca vaccination - one less for the EU.
Very impressed with the organisation. Dozens of cars coming and going yet I was in and out within 6 minutes. Well done NHS.
Almost 15% of the UK have been vaccinated already! That’s absolutely amazing work from the NHS in my opinion.
Had the government been this organised at the start it would have been a very different landscape out there.
As a Man who studies the News, I do have to wonder why the UK has secured 300M jabs.
I mean, we only have 66M people? :scratch:
That's 5 jabs each. Clearly things are going to get worse before they get better. :eek:
2 each, and everyone will need it every year. Different vaccines may be better, or with variants so don't buy all one type. Etc
Also some ( all ) were ordered well before we even knew they were gonna work. Another words a big gamble was taken, and its paid off.
Wakefield Turntables
02-02-2021, 11:35
As a Man who studies the News, I do have to wonder why the UK has secured 300M jabs.
I mean, we only have 66M people? :scratch:
That's 5 jabs each. Clearly things are going to get worse before they get better. :eek:
future thinking! They have stock piled for 2022 onwards
If I haven't totally lost my Mathematical ability, we are up to 400M jabs in the 66M population UK! :eek:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55887264
All a bit worrying. I suppose we are hoping that 1/6 of this stuff works. :(
If I haven't totally lost my Mathematical ability, we are up to 400M jabs in the 66M population UK! :eek:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55887264
All a bit worrying. I suppose we are hoping that 1/6 of this stuff works. :(
the valvana one is made just a couple of miles from me. think there is a risk some will maybe stop being effective. also many wont really be got for a year or 2
hifi_dave
02-02-2021, 17:01
The Government went for a belt n braces job as it wasn't clear which would be effective or even viable, so they ordered millions from all the most likely companies.
Far better that than end up like the EU..:doh:
The Government went for a belt n braces job as it wasn't clear which would be effective or even viable, so they ordered millions from all the most likely companies.
Far better that than end up like the EU..:doh:
yeah eu said they choose the ones and order. no country were supposed to order outwith this but of course germa ny and i think another country, maybe portugal got caught buying outwith.;) one rule of course for germany so they backed down.
The Government went for a belt n braces job as it wasn't clear which would be effective or even viable, so they ordered millions from all the most likely companies.
Far better that than end up like the EU..:doh:
Absolutely.
I think it is called "spread betting", UK Gov' made orders for four different types at a time when it wasn't certain which would work - a "gamble perhaps, but better than sitting around moaning like the French.
Apparently the French "Europe minister", Clement Beaune, doubts the efficacy of the Astra - Zeneca vaccine, and is slagging off the recklessness of the UK (even though the EU has finally given the Astra' jab the ok and they have made threats to NI border trade in order to try to get their hands on it :scratch:).
Must be elections in France soon and they need to blame us for their shortcomings.
Very interesting pricing (according to the Times today):
Astra' £2.25/dose
Pfizer £14.63/dose
Moderna £18.50 - £27.75/dose
Novavax £12.00/dose
At those prices perhaps Gov UK plans on giving us all half a dozen shots of the Astra' jab :dance:
yeah eu said they choose the ones and order. no country were supposed to order outwith this but of course germa ny and i think another country, maybe portugal got caught buying outwith.;) one rule of course for germany so they backed down.
Yes, interesting that the commission is refusing to talk about Germany breaking EU agreements, but seem to be OK questioning the actions of our government:scratch:
Early data suggests the Oxford vaccine is also 50% better at stopping transmission. That may well be the key..
anthonyTD
03-02-2021, 14:41
Now the Russian one is gaining favor around the world, the BBC in keeping with their usual cynicism is seemingy trying to istill doubt in it amongst their loyal audience, with the help of their usual puppet doctors of course, Jeremy Vine is a real piece of work, and worth every penny of his £700,000 salary from OUR licence fee. :rolleyes:
Also i see they are already working on the next design of vaccine, suposedly to cover the next strain, and no doubt there will be another, and another...perhaps forever and ever who knows.:doh:
anthonyTD
03-02-2021, 15:54
National Geographic article 22nd January 2021
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2021/01/covid-19-will-likely-be-with-us-forever-heres-how-well-live-with-it?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
Anderson adds that depending on how the evolution of the virus progresses, lineages of SARS-CoV-2 may arise that are distinct enough that vaccines will need to be tailored to specific regions akin to vaccines for pneumococcus. To successfully guard against SARS-CoV-2 going forward, we will need a global monitoring network similar to the worldwide reference laboratories used to collect, sequence, and study variants of influenza.
“We’re going to have to live with it, we’re going to have to have constant vaccination, and we’re constantly going to have to have a very sophisticated molecular surveillance program to keep track of how the virus is evolving,” Anderson says.
https://www.ft.com/content/de00fe75-9ba1-4be7-8cf1-6e9fa55f09ce
The 12 week gap looks to have been correct
A single dose of the Oxford/AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine is 76 per cent effective from three weeks to 12 weeks after the injection, according to an analysis of trial data that could boost confidence in the UK’s decision to delay second doses and vaccinate more people more quickly.
In a paper*published on Tuesday*but not yet peer-reviewed, researchers at Oxford university said the single dose had shown efficacy of 76 per cent from 22 up to 90 days post-vaccination, “with the protection showing little evidence of waning in this period”.
The researchers also found that spacing the first and second doses over a longer period yielded better long-term efficacy — a fact previously defended theoretically, but not shown empirically with large-scale evidence for coronavirus vaccines. Vaccine efficacy rose to 82.4 per cent following a second doses after 12 weeks, Oxford said.
Pigmy Pony
03-02-2021, 16:53
If I haven't totally lost my Mathematical ability, we are up to 400M jabs in the 66M population UK! :eek:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55887264
All a bit worrying. I suppose we are hoping that 1/6 of this stuff works. :(
Not unlike the general public stockpiling bog rolls last year. Better to have and not need, than need and not have...
Now the Russian one is gaining favor around the world, the BBC in keeping with their usual cynicism is seemingy trying to istill doubt in it amongst their loyal audience, with the help of their usual puppet doctors of course, Jeremy Vine is a real piece of work, and worth every penny of his £700,000 salary from OUR licence fee. :rolleyes:
Also i see they are already working on the next design of vaccine, suposedly to cover the next strain, and no doubt there will be another, and another...perhaps forever and ever who knows.:doh:
Bloody hell, does Vine really get that much :eek:
I was listening to a bit of his program today, while driving youngest daughter to the dentist, and thought very similar thoughts to yours. He said something about people in this country not being too keen on the Russian vaccine as a result of the Novichuk poisonings :doh:
Pigmy Pony
03-02-2021, 17:11
Bloody hell, does Vine really get that much :eek:
I was listening to a bit of his program today, while driving youngest daughter to the dentist, and thought very similar thoughts to yours. He said something about people in this country not being too keen on the Russian vaccine as a result of the Novichuk poisonings :doh:
I think he likes to play devil's advocate, to fuel the debate. Unfortunately it just makes him sound like a dick. Which I think he is. Even worse when he teams up with that smartarse Doctor Bint. i actually prefer Radio 1 to his show, it's that bad :(
Pigmy Pony
03-02-2021, 17:32
He does the lunchtime spot, used to be Jimmy Young I think. He also hosts that "Eggheads" show on telly.
He does the lunchtime spot, used to be Jimmy Young I think. He also hosts that "Eggheads" show on telly.
ah well i dont get telly and very rarely listen to radio either so that'll be reason:)
anthonyTD
03-02-2021, 17:50
Indeed Guy, and they wonder why more and more people every year are deciding not pay it!
Bloody hell, does Vine really get that much :eek:
I was listening to a bit of his program today, while driving youngest daughter to the dentist, and thought very similar thoughts to yours. He said something about people in this country not being too keen on the Russian vaccine as a result of the Novichuk poisonings :doh:
anthonyTD
03-02-2021, 17:51
Quite agree Steve.
I think he likes to play devil's advocate, to fuel the debate. Unfortunately it just makes him sound like a dick. Which I think he is. Even worse when he teams up with that smartarse Doctor Bint. i actually prefer Radio 1 to his show, it's that bad :(
anthonyTD
03-02-2021, 18:16
My main concern with the continuation with all of this; is the constant distribution of wealth from the taxes that come out of the pockets of the everyday people like us, into the hands of those who already have more than they should, and its happening in every country that participates in it, some people actualy think that a free vaccine is actualy free, they have no concept of how it was paid for, and to who that money ends up with and the increase in power that acompanies it, this is why as long as this continues, i fear our country, and our fellow citizens will become poorer, mental health and physical abuse will sky rocket, and as for the suicide rate, especialy amongst the youngsters who see no way out of this, it doesent bear thinking about. :(
But on a brighter note, its clap time for the NHS again tonight,:eek: and apparently they are combining it with Captain Tom, who by the way i have the utmost respect for, and his acheivments, and god bless him :)
But on a brighter note, its clap time for the NHS again tonight,:eek: and apparently they are combining it with Captain Tom, who by the way i have the utmost respect for him and his acheivment, and god bless him :)
Top man; I liked his attitude - definitely a candidate for a statue in Trafalgar Square, rather than this pile of shit/ice cream
https://i.postimg.cc/90nm0Zs8/113749530-fourthplinth.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
anthonyTD
03-02-2021, 18:27
Aye, :eek:
Top man; I liked his attitude - definitely a candidate for a statue in Trafalgar Square, rather than this pile of shit/ice cream
https://i.postimg.cc/90nm0Zs8/113749530-fourthplinth.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
walpurgis
03-02-2021, 18:40
I thought Gaptain Tom was doomed from the moment the media got their teeth into him and his family. There was no way they'd let the poor old guy be and then some dirty couldn't-care-less bastard came along and infected him or his family. He should have been left alone.
Filterlab
03-02-2021, 18:54
https://i.postimg.cc/90nm0Zs8/113749530-fourthplinth.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
When the f**k did they put that ridiculous thing there?!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53592709
(I showed this to my wife and daughters, at first they thought that I had been taken in by a meme and laughed at me :))
Pieoftheday
03-02-2021, 21:15
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Strictly for info, a legit source of information on this.
Who says it's legit?
The Vinyl Adventure
03-02-2021, 22:46
I thought Gaptain Tom was doomed from the moment the media got their teeth into him and his family. There was no way they'd let the poor old guy be and then some dirty couldn't-care-less bastard came along and infected him or his family. He should have been left alone.
I think you will find he was given a free holiday at Xmas for himself and his family AFAIK to Barbados or some other exotic location, obviously he couldn't give a shit himself but I bet it was his family that insisted on going for the freebie, probably picked something up whilst over there.
I was a bit sad about Captain Sir Tom. We may never know how he caught the wretched Germ. Or whether the advice not to have a jab, because he was pretty frail already, was correct. But a true hero. :)
Interesting News about Jabs. Apparently if you get a day or so of feeling Queezy afterwords, this is a GOOD THING. :scratch:
How does that work? https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/second-vaccine-side-effects/617892/
Long story short. If you react violently and with illness to jabs, it's OK. Means your body goes into overdrive to fight the Germ. A day in Bed feeling a bit rubbish is better than dying. :lol:
I get me first Jab in a Month. Oh Joy. I can then go to the Cinema and Footy games again.
anthonyTD
04-02-2021, 10:52
I agree about the media Geoff, they just used him as a publicity stunt, as they often do when they want to push a certain agenda, i still feel that what he did, and the money he raised was very comendable, i just hope the funds went to the right people, where it could make a diffrence.
I thought Gaptain Tom was doomed from the moment the media got their teeth into him and his family. There was no way they'd let the poor old guy be and then some dirty couldn't-care-less bastard came along and infected him or his family. He should have been left alone.
anthonyTD
04-02-2021, 10:55
Dont forget Steve, you still have to wear a mask, and social distance, ohh, and you could still be a carrier, hang on...:scratch:
I get me first Jab in a Month. Oh Joy. I can then go to the Cinema and Footy games again.
Yup, I agree with all the comments, and he had the time to achieve some good things, which as you say will hopefully have impacted positively around the world on the right people.
Let's not forget too, that at over 100 years old, he had a pretty good innings and would've gone sometime soon anyway. Often it's better living less long, but WELL (as in having achieved good things that made you happy, and making nice memories with your loved ones), than longer, but LESS WELL, and not having been as happy or fulfilled.
I know which I'd chose, and in that respect I'm sure that the last few months of his life were perhaps some of his happiest, where he managed to achieve things, such as being knighted by the Queen, he'd never have dreamed of. He certainly got to make his mark on the world in a positive way, which but for the pandemic wouldn't have been possible.
Just a positive take on things, on a lovely old man, the likes of whom we'll never see again. R.I.P Captain Tom:)
Marco.
anthonyTD
04-02-2021, 13:39
:clapclapclap:
Yup, I agree with all the comments, and he had the time to achieve some good things, which as you say will hopefully have impacted positively around the world on the right people.
Let's not forget too, that at over 100 years old, he had a pretty good innings and would've gone sometime soon anyway. Often it's better living less long, but WELL (as in having achieved good things that made you happy, and making nice memories with your loved ones), than longer, but LESS WELL, and not having been as happy or fulfilled.
I know which I'd chose, and in that respect I'm sure that the last few months of his life were perhaps some of his happiest, where he managed to achieve things, such as being knighted by the Queen, he'd never have dreamed of. He certainly got to make his mark on the world in a positive way, which but for the pandemic wouldn't have been possible.
Just a positive take on things, on a lovely old man, the likes of whom we'll never see again. R.I.P Captain Tom:)
Marco.
Here's the news from Somerstown (Portsmouth) Health Centre:
"Dear Mr. Stephen xxxxxxxx." (Name witheld to protect the guilty).
"We are making good progress on COVID vaccines. The next group we do is 65-70 y-olds.
We will text you when the delivery is confirmed. This should be very soon."
Bring it on. I ain't afraid of no virus. :D
anthonyTD
04-02-2021, 15:01
:eek::D
Here's the news from Somerstown (Portsmouth) Health Centre:
"Dear Mr. Stephen xxxxxxxx." (Name witheld to protect the guilty).
"We are making good progress on COVID vaccines. The next group we do is 65-70 y-olds.
We will text you when the delivery is confirmed. This should be very soon."
Bring it on. I ain't afraid of no virus. :D
Here's the news from Somerstown (Portsmouth) Health Centre:
"Dear Mr. Stephen xxxxxxxx." (Name witheld to protect the guilty).
"We are making good progress on COVID vaccines. The next group we do is 65-70 y-olds.
We will text you when the delivery is confirmed. This should be very soon."
Bring it on. I ain't afraid of no virus. :D
mine will read, dear mr struth, although we have plenty vaccine we have decided not to waste it on the likes of you... now piss off and die quietly;)
hifi_dave
04-02-2021, 15:34
Grant.
Have you checked with your GP surgery ? In this area, the GPs seem to be well in advance of notifying and booking than the NHS direct.
Grant.
Have you checked with your GP surgery ? In this area, the GPs seem to be well in advance of notifying and booking than the NHS direct.
no, not yet dave. i will wait til it calms down a bit i think. not being able to wear a mask its gonna be hard going anywhere currently anyway
Pigmy Pony
04-02-2021, 17:54
I get me first Jab in a Month. Oh Joy. I can then go to the Cinema and Footy games again.
Don't expect Doris to be coming round with a tray of fags during the intermission, she's still on furlough.
It's been a while since I went to the cinema.
think cinemas have been closed for months. would think they would be hotspots
Pigmy Pony
04-02-2021, 18:32
think cinemas have been closed for months. would think they would be hotspots
I won't be bothering with cinemas anytime soon. With the cack that's come out lately it'd be high risk low reward :(
Pigmy Pony
04-02-2021, 18:35
no, not yet dave. i will wait til it calms down a bit i think. not being able to wear a mask its gonna be hard going anywhere currently anyway
Could you use one of those clear plastic face shields? I see a few folk wearing them.
Could you use one of those clear plastic face shields? I see a few folk wearing them.
yes i bought a few and found them usable... very next day nicola banned them without masks too.. i did complain to her but she gave me a deefy... so next time she asks for my vote, she will get my deefy;) she was asked seveal times to arrange for clearances badges for people who couldnt wear masks.. she ignored those too.. typical polititian.. only wants a vote. folk who need actual help can of course f off...
Interesting thread here on Twitter, not just for the video showing yet more disgraceful police brutality, permitted by the new Coronavirus Act, supposedly in the interests of 'Public Health', but for some of the insightful comments afterwards, which are worth reading:
https://twitter.com/BigBrotherWatch/status/1347264640552759296?s=20
We MUST ensure that when we get out of this current mess (in some shape or form) and return to some semblance of normality, that we continue to fight for our human rights and freedoms, and don't allow the authorities (least of all the fascist thugs in uniforms, posing as 'Police'), or those controlling them, to bully us or enforce unjust rules, preventing us from LIVING, and merely existing!:guns::guns:
KEEP BRITAIN A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY - NOT TURNED INTO A FASCIST POLICE STATE, as none of us want to live in a glorified version of South Korea!! WE MUST *ALWAYS* STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOMS.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE FOREVER!!!!
:more::more::more:
Marco.
mad-moon
05-02-2021, 09:28
I can see only 2 insightful twitter comments..no.1 " In simple terms, why didn't they say there's no one here look for yourself " If they'd had nothing to hide..It could all have been done very peacefully..No.2 " Appalling that officers doing their duty are treated in this aggressive manner. I agree "...It's the LAW..if you are suspected of having people in your home, who should not be there, it has to be investigated..If the family hadn't been so aggressive towards the police, NONE of this would have occured...Also..we've only seen the video taken on the family's mobile phone and heard some screaming...there is also footage from the police officer's body cams, which we have not seen..I would reseve comment, till both sides have been seen and heard in full...this is dangerous footage..The family were extremely violent towards the police officers and they were defending themselves. imho, it is utter ludicrousy, to attack a policeman..especially one, who is doing his duty.
I can see only 2 insightful twitter comments..no.1 " In simple terms, why didn't they say there's no one here look for yourself " If they'd had nothing to hide..It could all have been done very peacefully..No.2 " Appalling that officers doing their duty are treated in this aggressive manner. I agree "...It's the LAW..if you are suspected of having people in your home, who should not be there, it has to be investigated..If the family hadn't been so aggressive towards the police, NONE of this would have occured...Also..we've only seen the video taken on the family's mobile phone and heard some screaming...there is also footage from the police officer's body cams, which we have not seen..I would reseve comment, till both sides have been seen and heard in full...this is dangerous footage..The family were extremely violent towards the police officers and they were defending themselves. imho, it is utter ludicrousy, to attack a policeman..especially one, who is doing his duty.
Sensible comment and analysis.
I have met arsehole cops in the past; but the current vogue for assaulting and screaming abuse at police who are doing their duty is ridiculous.
Beobloke
05-02-2021, 10:25
I can see only 2 insightful twitter comments..no.1 " In simple terms, why didn't they say there's no one here look for yourself " If they'd had nothing to hide..It could all have been done very peacefully..No.2 " Appalling that officers doing their duty are treated in this aggressive manner. I agree "...It's the LAW..if you are suspected of having people in your home, who should not be there, it has to be investigated..If the family hadn't been so aggressive towards the police, NONE of this would have occured...Also..we've only seen the video taken on the family's mobile phone and heard some screaming...there is also footage from the police officer's body cams, which we have not seen..I would reseve comment, till both sides have been seen and heard in full...this is dangerous footage..The family were extremely violent towards the police officers and they were defending themselves. imho, it is utter ludicrousy, to attack a policeman..especially one, who is doing his duty.
Very well said. People seem to forget that the police are human beings and have a job to do, whether gobby, aggressive people with an overblown sense of their own self-importance like it or not.
In my experience, if you are polite and respectful to the police then everything goes much more smoothly.
And you might even get away with a stern warning instead of the speeding ticket that you were sure was absolutely inevitable.
Or so I’ve heard :whistle:
I can see only 2 insightful twitter comments..no.1 " In simple terms, why didn't they say there's no one here look for yourself " If they'd had nothing to hide..It could all have been done very peacefully..No.2 " Appalling that officers doing their duty are treated in this aggressive manner. I agree "...It's the LAW..if you are suspected of having people in your home, who should not be there, it has to be investigated..If the family hadn't been so aggressive towards the police, NONE of this would have occured...Also..we've only seen the video taken on the family's mobile phone and heard some screaming...there is also footage from the police officer's body cams, which we have not seen..I would reseve comment, till both sides have been seen and heard in full...this is dangerous footage..The family were extremely violent towards the police officers and they were defending themselves. imho, it is utter ludicrousy, to attack a policeman..especially one, who is doing his duty.
Interesting perspective on the video, Alan, clearly showing your pro-Police bias. Similarly too, in only considering as 'insightful' the comments that best fit with your particular mindset/belief system...;)
From the bits that were clear, I saw something rather different, and from the bits that weren't, and it all kicked off and only voices were heard, from where I considered most of the aggression seemed to be coming. Also, just because something represents the law, doesn't automatically make it right! And I'm not specifically referring to this situation.
You have to be very careful that 'the law' isn't allowed to become grossly UNFAIR, UNJUST or simply too DRACONIAN, and ultimately *always* respects people's CIVIL LIBERTIES, in what is supposedly a free country, although increasingly becoming less so. Remember that the police are supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS, not vice versa....!
And regardless of what was really happening in that clip, and who was genuinely at fault, the fact is, since the beginning of this pandemic we've seen increasing instances of, let's politely call it, 'rampant authoritarianism', by the Police, with some regional forces much worse than others, and trust me with the increased powers that they're being given, under this new 'Coronavirus Act', often with which to abuse for their own dangerously controlling ends (or rather those pulling their strings), it's only likely to get worse.
In that respect, we must do everything we can to protect our democratic rights and our liberties, and ensure that we can continue living in a free country, rather than it edging ever closer to becoming a Police state.
Marco [will always FIGHT as much as is necessary to protect his FREEDOMS].
Very well said. People seem to forget that the police are human beings and have a job to do, whether gobby, aggressive people with an overblown sense of their own self-importance like it or not.
Or perhaps people simply sticking up for themselves and unwilling to be bullied by thugs in uniforms, abusing their authority? I'm sorry, but state the PROOF from that video, which confirms your assertion as fact, and I mean FACT, not just how you've interpreted things.
In any case, we clearly think very differently on this matter, Adam, so probably best simply to agree to disagree.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for genuine "gobby, aggressive people with an overblown sense of their own self-importance" being given a damn good slap when they deserve it, but not when such are simply innocent people refusing to bow down to misuses of authority.
And as I said, I'm not just referring to the video footage above, but life in general.
Marco.
Beobloke
05-02-2021, 11:39
I'm sorry, but state the PROOF from that video, which confirms your assertion as fact, and I mean FACT, not just how you've interpreted things.
Why? I’ve interpreted the video one way, you have interpreted it another. I don’t need to provide proof that I’m 100% correct and neither do you.
As you say, we’ll agree to differ and leave it there.
Instead - answer my pie question !! :)
anthonyTD
05-02-2021, 11:54
My thoughts; First of all, the first thing that comes to mind is how peoples attitudes have changed towards authority since all of this [what ever it is] started, we are now seeing a dramatic increase in people [not necessarily this family, we don't know them] who in normal times are law abiding people who are now afte a year of this at their witts end, and it just takes something to push them over the edge, which is posibly what happend here, the longer this goes on, the more i suspect we will see like this, the police have a job to do, and i believe that most join the police force to do good, there have always been bad apples amongst all forces, the police are human beings just like us, but they have been put in an imposible situation where they are being pulled from both sides, and at the moment their strings are being tightly pulled one way, i have said before, and i will say again, this will end when the people decide enough is enough, and when i say people i mean everyone, including the forces.
Why? I’ve interpreted the video one way, you have interpreted it another. I don’t need to provide proof that I’m 100% correct and neither do you.
Well, you made that rather sweeping statement, which I highlighted, so I was simply asking for the evidence you seen from the footage which prompted it?
Regardless of anything else, it a) appears that there wasn't anyone in the house who shouldn't have been there, so aside from, I agree, the overly aggressive stance from the mother initially, which didn't help matters, the call was unwarranted, and b) the utterly shameful unconcern for her safety by the police, when the mother's resident [clearly highly distressed], epileptic daughter, was flailing around the floor during the scuffle!!:doh:
That should NEVER have happened, and their No1 concern should've been for the safety and welfare of that child, not for what appeared to be one of the officer's fighting with the father. In that situation, no wonder both parents were going ballistic, trying to protect their daughter from harm! Therefore, IMO, the overall handling of the situation by the police was not only heavy-handed, but disgraceful and shameful.
So yes, we'll agree to disagree, and I'll stick with the summary stated on the thread concerned:
"We have reviewed a lot of poor and unlawful policing during the pandemic. This may be the most heinous and senseless example yet."
And we simply can't just sit back and take that pish. A concerted stance against it must be made!
Marco.
First of all, the first thing that comes to mind is how peoples attitudes have changed towards authority since all of this [what ever it is] started, we are now seeing a dramatic increase in people [not necessarily this family, we don't know them] who in normal times are law abiding people who are now afte a year of this at their witts end, and it just takes something to push them over the edge, which is posibly what happend here.
I agree, mate, but remember who are supposed to be the *trained professionals*!!!
Properly trained police should know how to CALM a situation like that, and seek to do so, not inflame it:doh:
Marco.
looks to me like the copper was already wound up by the abuse the woman was giving him, he threatens to arrest her if she carries on, at that point the bloke puts his hand on the copper's arm and the cop goes straight into subduing him. A bit over the top reaction by the copper, but then he is young and probably inexperienced.
of course in most other countries in the world if you were that aggressive to the cops you'd get a beating and be chucked in jail. And you'd need family to bring you food while you were in there as they don't provide it. And they can keep you in there without charge or trial for as long as they want. So it's all relative.
Notice the husband does nothing to control his wife, just stands there passively while she digs a hole for herself. You can see who wears the trousers in that house.
looks to me like the copper was already wound up by the abuse the woman was giving him, he threatens to arrest her if she carries on, at that point the bloke puts his hand on the copper's arm and the cop goes straight into subduing him. A bit over the top reaction by the copper, but then he is young and probably inexperienced.
of course in most other countries in the world if you were that aggressive to the cops you'd get a beating and be chucked in jail. And you'd need family to bring you food while you were in there as they don't provide it. And they can keep you in there without charge or trial for as long as they want. So it's all relative.
Notice the husband does nothing to control his wife, just stands there passively while she digs a hole for herself. You can see who wears the trousers in that house.
Indeed, mate, and we don't want the UK becoming anything remotely like that either, which is why when this sort of thing happens, it deserves highlighted and criticised in public. When/if we ever lose our right to do that, and CHALLENGE the authorities accordingly, that's when to worry!;)
I agree with the rest of your comments. The main point though was that the police appeared to show zero concern for the safety or well-being of the disabled child on the floor, who was a completely innocent party. That alone was both inexcusable and disgraceful.
Also, I haven't fully read the new laws, surrounding Coronavirus and this pandemic, but do they allow police just break into people's homes without a warrant? Or in the video concerned, did they only manage to gain entry because the owner opened the door and let them in?
Marco.
The UK Cops, who are protectors of Property, and allegedly, Human Rights have been going downhill for years!
I used to work with a singularly deranged individual. Had some theory about Valhalla and the Vikings.
You can guess he was a bit Right-Wing.
I am all for a secular society in which anybody can believe any nonsense they fancy.
People are even asking whether the Jab is Vegan. :scratch:
As it goes, I speak moderate Scandinavian and have read the Norse Sagas.
Anyway, he has been recruited into the Cops due to staff-shortage.
God Help us all. :lol:
Marco - If they have sufficient grounds to believe that a crime is being committed on the premises then they can force entry, no warrant required. That's always been the case.
Covid vaccines extremely safe, finds UK regulator
The Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines being given to millions of people in the UK by the NHS are extremely safe, with some mild expected side-effects, says the country's drugs regulator.
It assessed safety reports from nearly seven million doses given up to 24 January - mostly with the Pfizer jab.
Some 22,820 suspected reactions were reported. Around three in every 1,000 people vaccinated were affected.
Almost all cases were mild, such as a sore arm or flu-like illness.
These after-effects are not the disease itself, but the body's response to the vaccine. They usually get better within a couple of days, says the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency.
Severe allergic reactions to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine can happen but are very rare - between one and two cases per 100,000 doses administered, experts estimate. The MHRA received received 101 allergy-related reports.
Doctors already say people with a history of significant allergic reactions to ingredients in the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine should not receive it.
anthonyTD
05-02-2021, 13:53
I think the main concern with many people is not the initial Vaccine [i hate the term Jab] but the posible long term affects, ie; Auto-immune response.
https://www.healthline.com/health/autoimmune-disorders
Covid vaccines extremely safe, finds UK regulator
The Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines being given to millions of people in the UK by the NHS are extremely safe, with some mild expected side-effects, says the country's drugs regulator.
It assessed safety reports from nearly seven million doses given up to 24 January - mostly with the Pfizer jab.
Some 22,820 suspected reactions were reported. Around three in every 1,000 people vaccinated were affected.
Almost all cases were mild, such as a sore arm or flu-like illness.
These after-effects are not the disease itself, but the body's response to the vaccine. They usually get better within a couple of days, says the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency.
Severe allergic reactions to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine can happen but are very rare - between one and two cases per 100,000 doses administered, experts estimate. The MHRA received received 101 allergy-related reports.
Doctors already say people with a history of significant allergic reactions to ingredients in the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine should not receive it.
walpurgis
06-02-2021, 11:01
I gather the Pfizer vaccine has been withdrawn for use on older people in the UK. It seems to be more associated with adverse reactions than the other options.
A report from Norway is a bit alarming: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1384728/Covid-vaccine-latest-side-effects-Pfizer-jab-23-dead-Norway-coronavirus-update?int_source=traffic.outbrain&int_medium=traffic.outbrain&int_term=traffic.outbrain&int_content=traffic.outbrain&int_campaign=traffic.outbrain
These were elderly people, but the incidence of problems was apparently rather high in proportion to the numbers vaccinated.
There's a fair bit of info out there about this, look it up.
I gather the Pfizer vaccine has been withdrawn for use on older people in the UK. It seems to be more associated with adverse reactions than the other options.
A report from Norway is a bit alarming: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1384728/Covid-vaccine-latest-side-effects-Pfizer-jab-23-dead-Norway-coronavirus-update?int_source=traffic.outbrain&int_medium=traffic.outbrain&int_term=traffic.outbrain&int_content=traffic.outbrain&int_campaign=traffic.outbrain
These were elderly people, but the incidence of problems was apparently rather high in proportion to the numbers vaccinated.
There's a fair bit of info out there about this, look it up.
yeah i heard about those.. They were not entirely sure it was an issue as the deathes were with extremely old and very frail people. The usual side effect of diarrhoea and fever may just have pushed them over edge. think they are only country so for too.
anthonyTD
06-02-2021, 12:39
Other countries have also seen similar, mainly in elderly patients.
There have also been a few reported cases in the relatively young, with no underlying health issues too, how many others go un reported :confused:
With a 99.7% recovery rate from the virus, and thus a much stronger and affective immune response [and i suspect it will be similar for any new strain that gets detected] i can't for the life of me understand why folk who are otherwise healthy contemplate accepting any of them, but then i can't understand a lot of things where folk are concerned! :(
yeah i heard about those.. They were not entirely sure it was an issue as the deathes were with extremely old and very frail people. The usual side effect of diarrhoea and fever may just have pushed them over edge. think they are only country so for too.
It's a simple matter of percentages. 0.3% chance of dying from virus, vaccine will reduce that to practically zero. Weighed against the chance the coronavirus vaccines are the only vaccines ever to have long term deleterious side-effects, which is practically zero.
As a gambling proposition, it's worth having the vaccine by a long margin.
Added to which the chance of not dying but being seriously ill and having to go into hospital, maybe on a ventilator with tubes down your throat and that. I risk the vaccine to prevent that outcome too.
anthonyTD
06-02-2021, 13:43
It comes down to personal choice, and what' as an individual one is prepared to risk, and for what, at least we have a choice.
It's a simple matter of percentages. 0.3% chance of dying from virus, vaccine will reduce that to practically zero. Weighed against the chance the coronavirus vaccines are the only vaccines ever to have long term deleterious side-effects, which is practically zero.
As a gambling proposition, it's worth having the vaccine by a long margin.
Added to which the chance of not dying but being seriously ill and having to go into hospital, maybe on a ventilator with tubes down your throat and that. I risk the vaccine to prevent that outcome too.
Other countries have also seen similar, mainly in elderly patients.
There have also been a few reported cases in the relatively young, with no underlying health issues too, how many others go un reported :confused:
With a 99.7% recovery rate from the virus, and thus a much stronger and affective immune response [and i suspect it will be similar for any new strain that gets detected] i can't for the life of me understand why folk who are otherwise healthy contemplate accepting any of them, but then i can't understand a lot of things where folk are concerned! :(
Its not a 99.7 % recovery rate for those over a certain age of course
The death rate from covid-19 has been estimated at 0.66%, rising sharply to 7.8% in people aged over 80 and declining to 0.0016% in children aged 9 and under. bmj stats
anthonyTD
06-02-2021, 17:36
I appreciate that the risk becomes greater with age Brian,
but i also think that in many cases with age comes illness, hence my reasoning, all i have ever wanted is for folk to look before they leap, we have to live with whatever decisions we make after that.
A...
Its not a 99.7 % recovery rate for those over a certain age of course
Pigmy Pony
06-02-2021, 17:50
So broadly speaking, we have older and more vulnerable folk who are for the vaccine, and younger people and those who think they are 'safe' against it. I predict that in the future we will see many countries denying access to visitors if they don't have a vaccination "certificate". Be interesting to see how the anti-vaxxers' resolve holds up when they want their holiday in the sun!
Of course I'm referring the the wider population, we at AoS aren't that shallow :)
I don't believe there are any 'anti-vaxxers' here, shweety..., Maybe you're referring to the 'shallow' folks elsewhere?;)
Certainly, I haven't seen any here; only folks critical of, or cautious towards, taking the specific ones recently produced for Covid (but have gladly had many other 'jabs' over the years for different things).
And for what they believe is good reason. That's quite different!:ner:
Marco [dislikes ill-considered generalising].
Pigmy Pony
06-02-2021, 19:04
Allow me to highlight this bit for your perusal, you seem to have missed it first time round :D
So broadly speaking, we have older and more vulnerable folk who are for the vaccine, and younger people and those who think they are 'safe' against it. I predict that in the future we will see many countries denying access to visitors if they don't have a vaccination "certificate". Be interesting to see how the anti-vaxxers' resolve holds up when they want their holiday in the sun!
Of course I'm referring the the wider population, we at AoS aren't that shallow :)
Lol - I didn't; just wanted to verify that was defo what you were referring to:)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
06-02-2021, 19:23
Lol - I didn't; just wanted to verify that was defo what you were referring to:)
Marco.
:lol: for God's sake admit you cocked up for once! You missed it plain and simple :ner: Denial is fooling no one :)
There's really no excuse for skim reading PonyPosts, they're not exactly 'War and Peace' are they?
Pony [dislikes conclusions drawn from part-read posts] :D
Lol - honestly I didn't cock up.
I read what you wrote, but wanted to clarify that by 'anti-vaxxers', you didn't mean the likes of Anthony or me, who certainly won't be touching a Covid vaccine with a bargepole (or others here of a similar mindset), for reasons well-documented, and who aren't "shallow"!:ner:
;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
06-02-2021, 20:07
Lol - honestly I didn't cock up.
I read what you wrote, but wanted to clarify that by 'anti-vaxxers', you didn't mean the likes of Anthony or me, who certainly won't be touching a Covid vaccine with a bargepole (or others here of a similar mindset), for reasons well-documented, and who aren't "shallow"!:ner:
;)
Marco.
Well I've said it before, but to clarify I'll say it again: I fully respect (though not necessarily agree with) your decision to avoid the vaccine. And I can see your thinking behind it.
No, I'm referring others in the wider population who would have us believe that the vaccine carries tracking chips, has been engineered to make us prone to other ailments in later life, or even isn't the same product that the "important" people are getting! I doubt these shit stirrers actually believe their own words, they are just trying to stir up, well, shit.
Stryder5
06-02-2021, 20:57
Well I've said it before, but to clarify I'll say it again: I fully respect (though not necessarily agree with) your decision to avoid the vaccine. And I can see your thinking behind it.
No, I'm referring others in the wider population who would have us believe that the vaccine carries tracking chips, has been engineered to make us prone to other ailments in later life, or even isn't the same product that the "important" people are getting! I doubt these shit stirrers actually believe their own words, they are just trying to stir up, well, shit.
I like balance in these discussions, you may have heard of “ID 2020” it’s up to each of us to decide if it’s altruistic or something else!
There’s a lot of information, so not one link. Google will give you some information, maybe biased, but gives you some ideas of what ID 2020 is if you haven’t heard of it.
https://www.pymnts.com/news/biometrics/2019/id2020-alliance-unveils-digital-id-program/
Gary
mad-moon
06-02-2021, 22:49
Good luck..to everyone who will be refusing to have the vaccine..
I'll have 800 vaccines shoved up my arse and let them tattoo a big green tick on my forehead if it means we don't have to go on living like this indefinitely.
The introverts wet dream can't end soon enough for me.
Pigmy Pony
07-02-2021, 08:46
I'll have 800 vaccines shoved up my arse and let them tattoo a big green tick on my forehead if it means we don't have to go on living like this indefinitely.
The introverts wet dream can't end soon enough for me.
My thoughts too, Rich. Not sure about the big green tick though. I'm fine with the rest of it :)
My thoughts too, Rich. Not sure about the big green tick though. I'm fine with the rest of it :)
If you a Brexit supporter I understand you can choose to have a big red bus instead.
I like balance in these discussions, you may have heard of “ID 2020” it’s up to each of us to decide if it’s altruistic or something else!
There’s a lot of information, so not one link. Google will give you some information, maybe biased, but gives you some ideas of what ID 2020 is if you haven’t heard of it.
https://www.pymnts.com/news/biometrics/2019/id2020-alliance-unveils-digital-id-program/
Gary
altruisitc or otherwise it has no connection with the current UK vaccination program.
I like balance in these discussions, you may have heard of “ID 2020” it’s up to each of us to decide if it’s altruistic or something else!
There’s a lot of information, so not one link. Google will give you some information, maybe biased, but gives you some ideas of what ID 2020 is if you haven’t heard of it.
https://www.pymnts.com/news/biometrics/2019/id2020-alliance-unveils-digital-id-program/
Gary
" The program will also explore and assess several leading infant biometric technologies to offer a persistent digital identity from birth, unlocking a potential global public good."
Surely taking a blood sample at birth and referencing DNA would achieve same end without needing to inject a "marker" :scratch:
Good luck..to everyone who will be refusing to have the vaccine..
Thank you, Alan. Nothing is ever certain of course and there are always risks (even if you have the vaccine).
However, hopefully I should be ok, given that Covid has arguably been present in the UK since Oct 2019 (perhaps even before), and certainly since the beginning of 2020, yet despite that, and outside of lockdown, travelling around the UK, going to pubs and restaurants, church, shopping to various places on numerous occasions, whilst observing all necessary precautions, and *crucially* my wife having tested positive for Covid (just before Xmas, after displaying all the usual symptoms), and being with her 24/7 since, I've avoided becoming ill in any way.
Of course, that's not to say I haven't had the virus myself, and was asymptomatic, but if I'm not going to catch it from someone who's had it, and whom I'm sleeping beside every night and continually sharing a house with, or if I'm asymptomatic, then the chances (although of course not impossible) from me dying from the virus are likely slim to perhaps almost non-existent.
However, as the only vaccine I've every knowingly had was a BCG jab, for TB, when I was 15, and as someone (a healthy, fit person, not been near a doctor in about 15 years, who takes no pills and suffers from no ailments), who's neither used to nor predisposed to having vaccines, (of any description, not even flu jabs) and wouldn't know if I would have a bad reaction to this one, and it possibly be detrimental to my health, either in the short, medium or long-term, that's my rationale for not having a vaccine for Covid:)
However, after much discussion with my dad (who's nearly 88), and deliberation, despite my reservations about the longer term safety of these new vaccines, which he knew about and understood, we both agreed that he should have his, which he did early last week, and so far he's been absolutely fine. Again though, he's a pretty fit man for his age and also suffers from no real ailments (not on meds for anything either), so he's probably not your average 87-year old.
What's useful though is knowing that my wife's had Covid, and got through it ok (although she still has some minor lasting effects, such as her sense of taste and smell not having yet returned to 100%), I've been exposed to it and survived, and I can now monitor my dad's reaction to the vaccine, plus if it has gievn him some level of immunity, then that can only be good - all these things give me some peace of mind, especially in terms of looking forward to life becoming more normal again soon:cool:
Marco.
walpurgis
07-02-2021, 12:03
I declined the vaccination twice recently with reason. I shall enquire about having it in a few months.
the oxford one is not very good currently with the S African variant, so will need to be adapted. Still stops serious infection tho
I'll have 800 vaccines shoved up my arse and let them tattoo a big green tick on my forehead if it means we don't have to go on living like this indefinitely.
The introverts wet dream can't end soon enough for me.
That part, Rich, I *wholeheartedly* agree with. I've heard some of them uttering [rather dangerous] shite such as 'It's comfy wearing a mask, as it keeps your face warm', or worse 'You can hide from people and become more invisible'... COME AGAIN???:eek::eek::doh:
Why do these fucking weirdos want to HIDE...??:rolleyes:
I don't EVER want to become "comfy" wearing a mask, or for any real length of time, to become accustomed to or 'attached' to one!! That's precisely why I haven't bought a 'bespoke' one , or turned it into a fucking fashion accessory, unlike countless thousands of others!
Mask wearing is completely alien in normal society, and also to a healthy existence, and moreover utterly dehumanising. Therefore, I don't want them to be part of any 'new norm', so as soon as we're finally rid of the fuckers (or as rid of them as possible), I'll gladly celebrate by setting fire to every bloody one I've got left!!
In 5 years time, all I want is for them to represent a very distant and bad memory!
:exactly:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
07-02-2021, 13:10
If you a Brexit supporter I understand you can choose to have a big red bus instead.
That's just a con - they know fine well that most Brexit supporters don't have a drive big enough :(
Pigmy Pony
07-02-2021, 13:39
Thank you, Alan. Nothing is ever certain of course and there are always risks (even if you have the vaccine).
However, hopefully I should be ok, given that Covid has arguably been present in the UK since Oct 19 (perhaps even before), and certainly since the beginning of 2020, yet despite that, and outside of lockdown, travelling around the UK, going to pubs and restaurants, church, shopping to various places on numerous occasions, whilst observing all necessary precautions, and *crucially* my wife having tested positive for Covid (just before Xmas, after displaying all the usual symptoms), and being with her 24/7 since, I've avoided becoming ill in any way.
Of course, that's not to say I haven't had the virus myself, and was asymptomatic, but if I'm not going to catch it from someone who's had it, and whom I'm sleeping beside every night and continually sharing a house with, or if I'm asymptomatic, then the chances (although of course not impossible) from me dying from the virus are likely slim to perhaps almost non-existent.
However, as the only vaccine I've every knowingly had was a BCG jab, for TB, when I was 15, and as someone (a healthy, fit person, not been near a doctor in about 15 years, who takes no pills and suffers from no ailments), and who's neither used to nor predisposed to having vaccines, (of any description, not even flu jabs) and wouldn't know if I would have a bad reaction to this one, and it possibly be detrimental to my health, either in the short, medium or long-term, that's my rationale for not having a vaccine for Covid:)
However, after much discussion with my dad (who's nearly 88), and deliberation, despite my reservations about the longer term safety of these new vaccines, which he knew about and understood, we both agreed that he should have his, which he did early last week, and so far he's been absolutely fine. Again though, he's a pretty fit man for his age and also suffers from no real ailments (not on meds for anything either), so he's probably not your average 87-year old.
What's useful though is knowing that my wife's had Covid, and got through it ok (although she still has some minor lasting effects, such as her sense of taste and smell not having yet returned to 100%), I've been exposed to it and survived, and I can now monitor my dad's reaction to the vaccine, plus if it has gievn him some level of immunity, then that can only be good - all these things give me some peace of mind, especially in terms of looking forward to life becoming more normal again soon:cool:
Marco.
As it has been stated before in these pages (not by me) that the tests aren't completely reliable, there's a chance that Del didn't have Covid, but perhaps just the common cold. Loss of taste and smell (she'll miss that when she has to go back to enduring your fart gas) can be a symptom of a cold, not just Covid. The fact that yourself and your dad (who is in your support bubble) haven't caught it from her, could bear this out.
That part I *wholeheartedly* agree with. I've heard some of them uttering [rather dangerous] shite such as 'It's comfy wearing a mask, as it keeps your face warm',
I think that's why Batman said he wears one, don't know about Spiderman though.
Pigmy Pony
07-02-2021, 13:50
I think that's why Batman said he wears one, don't know about Spiderman though.
Not sure either, because Spiderman, Spiderman, does whatever a spider can. And spiders don't wear masks afaik.
As it has been stated before in these pages (not by me) that the tests aren't completely reliable, there's a chance that Del didn't have Covid, but perhaps just the common cold. Loss of taste and smell (she'll miss that when she has to go back to enduring your fart gas) can be a symptom of a cold, not just Covid. The fact that yourself and your dad (who is in your support bubble) haven't caught it from her, could bear this out.
A valid point, but that could also apply to countless thousands of others who've had the test and returned positive results, so what does that say for the accuracy of quoted transmission rates?
In any case, she was bad enough to spend a night in hospital on oxygen (as she's always suffered from chest complaints), because it turned into Covid pneumonia (as diagnosed by a doctor), and I seen how ill she was when the ambulance came to pick her up, so I think we can safely rule out a cold!;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
07-02-2021, 14:20
A valid point, but that would also apply to tens of thousands of others who've had the test and returned positive results, so what does that say for the accuracy of quoted transmission rates?
In any case, she was bad enough to spend a night in hospital on oxygen (as she's always suffered from chest complaints), because it turned into Covid pneumonia, and I seen how ill she was when the ambulance came to pick her up, so I think we can safely rule out a cold!;)
Marco.
No good asking me, i was just passing on what I'd previously read others say in these very pages.
Yep, sounds like Covid. Just goes to show how easily it can get around. If your dad had caught it that could've been pretty bad. Where did Del get it? I bet it was one of those snot faced little shoites she had to work with, y'know, the ones we call students these days, because the word pupil devalues their importance somehow.
Spot on - in college!
Thankfully she's now 95% recovered:)
Marco.
walpurgis
07-02-2021, 14:49
Glad to hear Del's on the mend Marco. I didn't know she had been unwell.
If it was the Coronavirus, it's not something that one would mistake for flu, it wasn't in my case anyway. Nasty stuff!
Glad to hear Del's on the mend Marco. I didn't know she had been unwell.
If it was the Coronavirus, it's not something that one would mistake for flu, it wasn't in my case anyway. Nasty stuff!
Cheers, mate. I didn't mention it because I wanted to monitor the situation and her recovery, so I could comment on the subject here from a position of experience:)
Unfortunately when Del even gets a bad cold, it often goes down to her chest and develops into pneumonia, therefore she's very susceptible to chest infections, and so if she caught Covid it was always liable to be problematic. However, she's had full-blown pneumonia before (turning into costochondritis), which for her was FAR worse than Covid, so at least she's able to make a valid comparison.
When the ambulance came to collect her that night, she was in a right state (almost drifting into a coma, with her temperature through the roof), and I was genuinely concerned, but after being pumped with steroids and antibiotics in hospital, plus receiving oxygen, she improved remarkably. Then the next day, mid afternoon, she was able to come home and continue her recovery - and it took a while!
So, in terms of myself, I think I can safely say that with what's happened with Del, I've been exposed first-hand to Covid, and survived. Of course I could catch it somewhere else, with different results, but hey life's full of risks and none of us lives forever!;)
Marco.
good your dad had his mate.. del is young and strong so sure she will be fine in time.. your bloody indestructable so you'll be ok too:lol:
good your dad had his mate.. del is young and strong so sure she will be fine in time.. your bloody indestructable so you'll be ok too:lol:
Lol - yeah I think she'll be fine, As for me, no-one can believe I didn't get any symptoms. It's typical though, as I generally catch hee-haw (flus, colds or whatever) when others are dropping around me like flies.
In fact, it was funny with the track & trace people... They obviously knew Del had Covid, but they wanted to monitor me, to see if I developed symptoms, so every day at a certain time someone would phone up to see how I was and if I'd developed any symptoms, which they're supposed to do for a week. However, after the 4th day of me telling them 'no, I'm fine', they gave up!:D
The good thing though, with me not becoming ill, was that I was able to look after Del, and nurse her to recovery. She loves being pampered like a princess at the best of times, so she was lapping up the attention big time, 'WANT chips, WANT tea, WANT cakey', etc! You know what she's like:eyebrows:
No seriously though, she wasn't a well wee girl for a while, but thankfully she pulled through, and we feel stronger and more confident about things now for it... In terms of my dad, we just felt that on balance it was better for him to have the vaccine than not:)
Marco.
great.... and we all want chips :ner:
walpurgis
07-02-2021, 18:08
It was the other way round here. Me being ill and the missus having no noticeable symptoms despite being in close proximity through it.
mad-moon
07-02-2021, 18:34
Question...those on the forum who have had covid-19, how/where do you think you contracted it?
great.... and we all want chips :ner:
Lol... She normally makes some great ones herself, but of course wasn't up to it. Good news was that 'Gilbert' didn't catch anything either:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
Lol... She normally makes some great ones herself, but of course wasn't up to it. Good news was that 'Gilbert' didn't catch anything either:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
ive officially changed my name to gilbert;):ner:
It was the other way round here. Me being ill and the missus having no noticeable symptoms despite being in close proximity through it.
Interesting, Geoff... Some folks just seem able to bat away Covid, without any reaction, or not catch it in the first place. I guess it's all down to their immune system.
It's a bit like the 70s drama series 'Survivors' (if you remember that?), when the outbreak of a virus, accidentally released in a lab, had killed off large sections of the population, and the survivors were left to rebuild the world!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/
So maybe folk like your good lady and me will be the leaders running things in future:lol::D
Marco.
Interesting article on the above here: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/may/26/i-couldnt-watch-it-now-survivors-was-the-pandemic-drama-years-ahead-of-its-time
I remember watching the Terry Nation version (who IMO was a genius) vividly as a kid. It's scary how close it is (or could have been) to the current reality!!:eek:
Marco.
Good series. Well 3 series. I have them on dvd
walpurgis
07-02-2021, 19:47
It's a bit like the 70s drama series 'Survivors' (if you remember that?)
Marco.
Yes. Carolyn Seymour was very tasty! :)
Question...those on the forum who have had covid-19, how/where do you think you contracted it?
Not sure that it was Covid 19, but something really hit me back in January 2020 - high temp', real problems with breathing, dry cough for a week and chest pains for quite a while after the worse.
Anyway, three possibilities:
Step son of brother in law had been to Singapore for Christmas with his biological father and we met up when he got back.
or, My youngest daughter we had to pick her up from uni' at Brighton just before Christmas - same symptoms as I got a couple of weeks later
or, school - I was doing some teaching at the time and schools are breeding grounds for diseases (teenagers are dirty, most will cough/sneeze and wipe hands on tables - really surprised me how long schools were kept open. Teenagers may not get many of the problems, but they can certainly incubate the bugs:vomfest::vomfest:)
why do you ask?
ive officially changed my name to gilbert;):ner:
Well, if so, she's cuddling you now!:eek:
No nibbling:eyebrows:
Marco.
mad-moon
07-02-2021, 21:17
Not sure that it was Covid 19, but something really hit me back in January 2020 - high temp', real problems with breathing, dry cough for a week and chest pains for quite a while after the worse.
Anyway, three possibilities:
Step son of brother in law had been to Singapore for Christmas with his biological father and we met up when he got back.
or, My youngest daughter we had to pick her up from uni' at Brighton just before Christmas - same symptoms as I got a couple of weeks later
or, school - I was doing some teaching at the time and schools are breeding grounds for diseases (teenagers are dirty, most will cough/sneeze and wipe hands on tables - really surprised me how long schools were kept open. Teenagers may not get many of the problems, but they can certainly incubate the bugs:vomfest::vomfest:)
why do you ask?
To see how it has been spread to this small amount of people...
That part, Rich, I *wholeheartedly* agree with. I've heard some of them uttering [rather dangerous] shite such as 'It's comfy wearing a mask, as it keeps your face warm', or worse 'You can hide from people and become more invisible'... COME AGAIN???:eek::eek::doh:
Why do these fucking weirdos want to HIDE...??:rolleyes:
I don't EVER want to become "comfy" wearing a mask, or for any real length of time, to become accustomed to or 'attached' to one!! That's precisely why I haven't bought a 'bespoke' one , or turned it into a fucking fashion accessory, unlike countless thousands of others!
Mask wearing is completely alien in normal society, and also to a healthy existence, and moreover utterly dehumanising. Therefore, I don't want them to be part of any 'new norm', so as soon as we're finally rid of the fuckers (or as rid of them as possible), I'll gladly celebrate by setting fire to every bloody one I've got left!!
In 5 years time, all I want is for them to represent a very distant and bad memory!
:exactly:
Marco.
Introverts find validation in it all.
Lol - have you ever shagged an introvert? Submissive types can often be good value;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
08-02-2021, 07:11
Interesting, Geoff... Some folks just seem able to bat away Covid, without any reaction, or not catch it in the first place. I guess it's all down to their immune system.
It's a bit like the 70s drama series 'Survivors' (if you remember that?), when the outbreak of a virus, accidentally released in a lab, had killed off large sections of the population, and the survivors were left to rebuild the world!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/
So maybe folk like your good lady and me will be the leaders running things in future:lol::D
Marco.
I'm just trying to picture it: "Right, we need to get the world rebuilt! Now, I'm no good at laying bricks, so that's your job Mrs Walpurgis. I'll be in charge of setting up survivors' turntables, just as soon as we can get the power switched on" :)
Pigmy Pony
08-02-2021, 07:15
Lol - have you ever shagged an introvert? Submissive types can often be good value;)
Marco.
No, that's just for people who haven't the stomach for necrophilia :eyebrows:
intro vert - green insides ?
walpurgis
08-02-2021, 08:44
intro vert - green insides ?
Misinterpretation can lead almost anywhere. 'invest' springs to mind.
Misinterpretation can lead almost anywhere. 'invest' springs to mind.
yes, im in mine at moment... vest i mean:ner:
There talking about a possible 3rd booster jab now in the autumn to counteract new variants. Were all gonna end up as cannon fodder for project Gates ! ;)
hifi_dave
08-02-2021, 11:21
Thank goodness we have the technology.
I get my jab tomorrow evening! And a second one in 10 weeks time. I feel happier already. :)
Think I'll walk to the Surgery. Don't want to go on a bus and fall at the last hurdle.
Phone was a bit busy, so I didn't ask which one it is. I am 66, BTW, so Portsmouth seems to be cracking along.
hifi_dave
08-02-2021, 11:40
Good for you and don't forget to ask for your sticker. I didn't know they were giving stickers and missed out..:doh:
anthonyTD
08-02-2021, 11:46
No worries, i didnt take what Steve said as a referal to me or yourself, as you say; neither of us are what is being termed these days as Anti-Vaxers,[another phrase i have grown to dislike] although i have to admit that we did think long and hard when the time came to take our Daughter for her childhood vaccinations, its a lot harder when it comes to making decisions for those who are in your care, i also had all of my childhood Vaccinations, including the dreaded BCG!
Lol - honestly I didn't cock up.
I read what you wrote, but wanted to clarify that by 'anti-vaxxers', you didn't mean the likes of Anthony or me, who certainly won't be touching a Covid vaccine with a bargepole (or others here of a similar mindset), for reasons well-documented, and who aren't "shallow"!:ner:
;)
Marco.
hifi_dave
08-02-2021, 14:42
sticker?
Yes, stickers. You know - Hippo, Elephant, bus, Dolphin etc, for being a good boy or girl..:)
You don't get a lollipop, just a lousy sticker?
That's a bit of a rip-off. I might not bother now.
hifi_dave
08-02-2021, 15:09
No, didn't see any lollipops. Didn't see any queues either. In and out within six minutes.
Yes, stickers. You know - Hippo, Elephant, bus, Dolphin etc, for being a good boy or girl..:)
can it be used as proof of vaccination :scratch:
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.2059332450.3719/ur,pin_large_front,square,600x600.jpg
walpurgis
08-02-2021, 15:37
Well I'm vaccinated, just not against Coronavirus.
hifi_dave
08-02-2021, 16:48
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.2059332450.3719/ur,pin_large_front,square,600x600.jpg
Some day..:grouphug:
in my twelfth month of zero contact.. ive started screaming at people who come within a hundred yards of house.:eek::)
Love the badge Grant.
I never thought of myself as being particularly sociable, but stopping for a chat (at good distance!) on dog walks is one of the highlights of my day.
Latest News from the Government in the briefing is to get a Jab!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55977904
Whatever is round the corner, we don't have a better plan right now.
"Get a Jab"
"Stay at Home"
"Protect the NHS"
"Save Lives"
Latest News from the Government in the briefing is to get a Jab!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55977904
Whatever is round the corner, we don't have a better plan right now.
"Get a Jab"
"Stay at Home"
"Protect the NHS"
"Save Lives"
nobody does.. its a hard place and doesnt matter who thinks otherwise there are no gaurentees
Some vaccination centres have shut locally (don't blame them), but I am quite keen on having a "jab". Even though I think that I may have had the infection a year ago, I would feel reassured by being vaccinated.
(63 next week, so some distance down the queue I expect)
Some vaccination centres have shut locally (don't blame them), but I am quite keen on having a "jab". Even though I think that I may have had the infection a year ago, I would feel reassured by being vaccinated.
(63 next week, so some distance down the queue I expect)
not that far.. before end of month i think..maybe sooner.. and yes you will need one if it was that time ago.
scotland is a bit behind as we did care homes first and they are slow
Stryder5
08-02-2021, 20:27
Latest News from the Government in the briefing is to get a Jab!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55977904
Whatever is round the corner, we don't have a better plan right now.
"Get a Jab"
"Stay at Home"
"Protect the NHS"
"Save Lives"
So no plan...
If you can’t piss in the pot piss off.
Gary
Pigmy Pony
08-02-2021, 20:54
Some vaccination centres have shut locally (don't blame them), but I am quite keen on having a "jab". Even though I think that I may have had the infection a year ago, I would feel reassured by being vaccinated.
(63 next week, so some distance down the queue I expect)
Well you are still a nipper. I was 63 last month.
It feels like a race now - this afternoon I arrived at a house to fit a window, and the tenants came to the door to say one of them feels pretty ropey and got a positive result yesterday. So that was me gone in a cloud of squealing tyre smoke.
Thing is, I was scheduled to fit the window on Saturday, but glass arrived late. If I had fitted it then, where would I now be? It's all getting a bit close to home.
Well you are still a nipper. I was 63 last month.
It feels like a race now - this afternoon I arrived at a house to fit a window, and the tenants came to the door to say one of them feels pretty ropey and got a positive result yesterday. So that was me gone in a cloud of squealing tyre smoke.
Thing is, I was scheduled to fit the window on Saturday, but glass arrived late. If I had fitted it then, where would I now be? It's all getting a bit close to home.Indeed. It can get just a little frightening at times. All the delivery folk keep distance as I do. I wash hands after touching anything. Mail usually sits for a few days. Groceries get wiped.
OK it's paranoia but I'm still here
paranoia; or a heightened sense of reality :)
Thanks for the comment Steve :cool:
mad-moon
09-02-2021, 16:43
https://www.flickr.com/photos/181639036@N04/shares/j84n27
should be hung drawn and quartered mate.. then the bits need flogged through streets of every major town in country. ;) or is that excessive???:D
https://www.flickr.com/photos/181639036@N04/shares/j84n27
Linky no worky...
"Error 404, this is not the page you're looking for"
Try again, daftee!:D
Marco.
Linky no worky...
"Error 404, this is not the page you're looking for"
Try again, daftee!:D
Marco.
was working earlier.. odd its now gone... the powers that be? or has alan moved it
Indeed. It can get just a little frightening at times.
Lol... Aye, I'm shite-ing masel every time ah go intae Lidl!:ner::D
Only kidding;)
Marco.
Lol... Aye, I'm shite-ing masel every time ah go intae Lidl!:ner::D
Only kidding;)
Marco.
you can get medication for that now;):D
was working earlier.. odd its now gone... the powers that be? or has alan moved it
Lol - could be... What was it about?
Marco.
you can get medication for that now;):D
Aye, and big nappies:eyebrows:
Marco.
he was walking into a car showroom with a mask that looked like he was wearing mask on chin.. when the guy said put mask on properly he removed the fake face.. was fairly realistic from a little distance
Aye, and big nappies:eyebrows:
Marco.
you need the big nappies.. just as a back up... :lol:
he was walking into a car showroom with a mask that looked like he was wearing mask on chin.. when the guy said put mask on properly he removed the fake face.. was fairly realistic from a little distance
Interesting... Was his 'fake face' a picture of his arsehole?;)
Marco.
you need the big nappies.. just as a back up... :lol:
Yesh, cos I'm right full o' shoite, loike... In any case, I think we both know someone with big nappies:D;)
Marco.
Yesh, cos I'm right full o' shoite, loike... In any case, I think we both know someone with big nappies:D;)
Marco.
i told you that in confidence:D
Interesting... Was his 'fake face' a picture of his arsehole?;)
Marco.
it was silicon type. had lower face, nose etc, and a mask in chin... was fairly realistic. i could see an exception taken to it but it may be it was just moved or renamed. if we dont see alan again then we know why:eyebrows:
mad-moon
09-02-2021, 19:00
https://www.flickr.com/photos/181639036@N04/shares/5g4757
Jab had. Didn't hurt at all, but I can feel it slightly now. Got me little sticker on request!
Pfizer mRNA vaccine, brought to us by the people who brought us the Blitz. :rolleyes:
Has to be stored at -60C to -80C and used within six hours of thawing. 0.3 mL injection. Jab man very good at pulling jumper over shoulder to save time.
Side effects:
Occasional allergic reaction to the 9 chemicals listed.
More than 1 in 10:
Pain at injection site
Tiredness
Headache
Muscle Pain
Chills
Joint Pain
Fever
About 1 in 10:
Swelling at injection site
Redness at injection site
Nausea
1 in 100:
Enlarged Lymph Nodes
Feeling Unwell
My London mate Cliff said he had a painful upper arm next day with Moderna. But only for a day.
Mission accomplished. Next one in 11 weeks. Then all Happy Days I hope. :)
hifi_dave
10-02-2021, 11:36
Fortunately I had just a little tenderness at the injection site and so did my Wife. I was a bit worried as I have virtually no immune system and was fearing that it might make me ill.
I'm so annoyed I missed out on the sticker. I was a good boy and didn't make a fuss. Perhaps if J had cried, I would have been offered one ?
Fortunately I had just a little tenderness at the injection site and so did my Wife. I was a bit worried as I have virtually no immune system and was fearing that it might make me ill.
I'm so annoyed I missed out on the sticker. I was a good boy and didn't make a fuss. Perhaps if J had cried, I would have been offered one ?
just short of a million jabbed in scotland now. this should help drive the rates down a bit; especially death rates
For those who feel they missed out on their sticker, here's what you missed! :)
I have stuck mine on my driver's licence.
Bit Primary School really. Like winning a Gold Star for good behaviour. But works for me. :lol:
29193
did they stick it on your forehead?:D
No, on his bell-end, for being a good boy!:D
;)
Might nip though, when you pull it off later [figuratively speaking]:lol:
Marco.
Filterlab
10-02-2021, 18:03
For those who feel they missed out on their sticker, here's what you missed! :)
I have stuck mine on my driver's licence.
Bit Primary School really. Like winning a Gold Star for good behaviour. But works for me. :lol:
29193
Can you get into pubs with that? :lol:
More importantly, did they give you a lolly?
29193
How is it going? :)
So far, no signs of severe allergic reaction.
No pain in my arm. Me and the rest of the old boys are just waiting to get our second jab. Oh God, another 3 months. :lol:
Can you get into pubs with that? :lol:
.........?
Now that would be a way to get more people accepting the need for vaccination - could lead to fights in the covid centre queues, and a thriving market in fakes though:scratch:
Filterlab
11-02-2021, 18:51
I was thinking I might redraw that sticker and print a few off. :lol:
mad-moon
11-02-2021, 21:29
I was thinking I might redraw that sticker and print a few off. :lol:
Get the T-shirt instead
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/19covid-t-shirt-Ive-Had-The-Vaccine-JAB/153440429783?hash=item23b9c326d7:g:VyEAAOSwUCFgBe~ W
walpurgis
11-02-2021, 21:42
Do they do an 'I've had the Virus' one?
mad-moon
11-02-2021, 21:48
https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/14706833-i-survived-covid-19-and-all-i-got-was-this-lousy-t
walpurgis
11-02-2021, 21:54
:)
Filterlab
12-02-2021, 08:44
Errrr, lovely. :D
hifi_dave
12-02-2021, 15:32
I was thinking I might redraw that sticker and print a few off. :lol:
I'll have one.
walpurgis
13-02-2021, 08:18
Seems sensible.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/12/france-s-health-authority-recommends-single-vaccine-shot-for-people-who-have-had-covid-19
mad-moon
13-02-2021, 10:10
Seems sensible.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/12/france-s-health-authority-recommends-single-vaccine-shot-for-people-who-have-had-covid-19
Absolutely.....it makes perfect sense..
Especially when you've ballsed it up and not ordered enough vaccines to do everyone...
mad-moon
13-02-2021, 11:26
Especially when you've ballsed it up and not ordered enough vaccines to do everyone...
I guess you're not talking about the UK
anthonyTD
13-02-2021, 13:28
I think its in all of our interests to keep looking into this!
https://principia-scientific.com/irish-government-admits-covid-19-does-not-exist/
mad-moon
13-02-2021, 13:30
I think its in all of our interests to keep looking into this!
https://principia-scientific.com/irish-government-admits-covid-19-does-not-exist/
so you keep saying...
anthonyTD
13-02-2021, 13:54
Maybe its because i care :scratch:
so you keep saying...
Pigmy Pony
13-02-2021, 14:09
Especially when you've ballsed it up and not ordered enough vaccines to do everyone...
It did say in the article that France and the EU have been criticised for their woeful rate of vaccine rollout - Can I assume that if we were still in the EU that that would include us? If the situation were reversed and it was us doing badly I'm sure the Remainers would be all over that.
Apologies for the shit-stirring (not sorry really) :)
Stryder5
13-02-2021, 14:09
Follow the science, the non-fictional variety.
Gary
There's two sorts of people in this World.
Those who live in a dream World. And those who live in the real World. :lol:
I trust the Science. Covid-19 is real. People dying from coughing their guts up. :(
Admittedly not as Vicious as the 50% fatal Bubonic Plague. But serious enough that I am not going to Drinking Parties or mass Snow-Tobagging events.
I subscribe to the Scientific Theory that there are "The Quick and the Dead." :)
If you are slow in the head, you are Sharkbait. How it is. Get a Jab.
anthonyTD
13-02-2021, 14:19
So what sort are you then, and what exactly are you trying to say, if your trying to say that your from the smart camp, you know; the one that does no real research, and completey rely on the words of those in positions of power who have lied to us, time after time in the past, good luck with that!
One last ditch attempt, here's Karl Mullis, you know, the original inventor of the PCR test, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTWN_PJ8t2o
There's two sorts of people in this World.
Those who live in a dream World. And those who live in the real World. :lol:
I trust the Science. Covid-19 is real. People dying from coughing their guts up. :(
Admittedly not as Vicious as the 50% fatal Bubonic Plague. But serious enough that I am not going to Drinking Parties or mass Snow-Tobagging events.
I subscribe to the Scientific Theory that there are "The Quick and the Dead." :)
If you are slow in the head, you are Sharkbait. How it is. Get a Jab.
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