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Yes, I retired at 55 having accumulated enough pension rights etc. To keep me in watches / hifi / victuals etc. In terms of moving that’s been on the cards for the last couple of years, just waiting for my lady friend to purchase her million pound drum with an en suite music room for me[emoji846]
Could call it the good vibrations poop room
Yes, I retired at 55 having accumulated enough pension rights etc. To keep me in watches / hifi / victuals etc. In terms of moving that’s been on the cards for the last couple of years, just waiting for my lady friend to purchase her million pound drum with an en suite music room for me[emoji846]
Reminds me a bit of the old dire straits song... Money for nothing and yer cheques for free... or was it chicks ? ;)
Could call it the good vibrations poop room
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Reminds me a bit of the old dire straits song... Money for nothing and yer cheques for free... or was it chicks ? ;)
I’ll settle for chicks
hifi_dave
26-07-2020, 09:22
Definitely "chicks".
But NOT 'chicks with pricks':lol:
Marco.
But NOT 'chicks with pricks':lol:
Marco.
but pricked chicks?
Lol.... Ladyboys can be dangerous.
Marco.
Just looked it up defo chicks, all these years thought it was cheques !..... trust me to think pounds, shillings and pence
Why would you want a 'free' cheque, daftee? It's an 'expensive' one with lots of noughts on the end, yer wantin'!:D
Marco.
A million Dollar cheque (with lots of noughts on it) or a 'free' one, with nothing on it - use yer noggin!:ner:
Marco.
Yes !, I DO get it , was just extracting the urine out of me self. Amazing though how often words in lyrics are miss heard by the masses. Always thought Midge Ure for instance was mature, as in mature cheddar ! lol
Lol.... Ladyboys can be dangerous.
Marco.
Do you speak from experience? Have you been shocked by an unexpected member in a romantic scenario? :eyebrows:
Jeez.... Why did it take SOooooooo long for someone to say that?:doh::lol::eyebrows:
I've been waiting!!
Lol, erm no, but I've been to Thailand and encountered the rather unusual female 'fascination' with ping-pong balls, and the orifices out of which they exit!:eek:
Marco.
Lol, erm no, but I've been to Thailand and encountered the rather unusual female 'fascination' with ping-pong balls, and the orifices out of which they exit!:eek:
Marco.
It's a remarkable demonstration of the precision, adroitness and control of their pubococcygeal muscles. An equally impressive demonstration is 'smoking a cigarette' there. :rolleyes:
Do you speak from experience? Have you been shocked by an unexpected member in a romantic scenario? :eyebrows:
:lol:
It's a remarkable demonstration of the precision, adroitness and control of their pubococcygeal muscles. An equally impressive demonstration is 'smoking a cigarette' there. :rolleyes:
Is that the same muscle they use to hold farts in?
It's a remarkable demonstration of the precision, adroitness and control of their pubococcygeal muscles. An equally impressive demonstration is 'smoking a cigarette' there. :rolleyes:
Ah, sir is a connoisseur! However, I believe that the pièce de résistance is when afterwards she blows it out with a fanny fart!:D
Marco.
Is that the same muscle they use to hold farts in?
I think that is the sphincter ani internus.
Ah, sir is a connoisseur! However, I believe that the pièce de résistance is when afterwards she blows it out with a fanny fart!:D
Marco.
Especially if she can blow smoke rings.
https://youtu.be/Dt9KqRseotE
Marco.
Just educating the membership on the finer things in life:)
"Queef" was a new one on me. It would be interesting to line up, say, twenty 'twats', all queefing together, and seeing what kind of a tune it made.
Marco.
What a charming way to start the day, thanks Marco.
You're welcome. I thought it would meet with your approval, what with being a more 'adventurous' gentleman:eyebrows:
Marco.
I have found the amount of 'queefing' that can occur during intercourse depends on the position used, being worse, IME, after coitus a tergo.
Reverse cowgirl? (Yee haw!)
Reverse cowgirl? (Yee haw!)
No, 'doggy style' (or as my partner calls it comme un stallion).
Good informative video that.
(Though missed out “Punched Lasagne” in the blankety blank style line-up.)
No, 'doggy style' (or as my partner calls it comme un stallion).
lol. It sounds a lot classier than 'doggy-style', you have to admit.
Never been with a foreign bird. Unless you can count Welsh as foreign. No idea what it translates as in Welsh. Usually they just go with the English and change a few letters. So 'Doggau-stelech.' Something like that.
I usually find the noise of her moaning in ecstasy drowns out any queefing....
I'm thinking though in terms of classical music, and wondering if there'd be any mileage in composing a 'Symphony of Queefs, and how one might arrange it'?:hmm:
Marco.
Never been with a foreign bird. Unless you can count Welsh as foreign. No idea what it translates as in Welsh.
Poppity-penis Fido stylo.
Marco.
InThe Sticks
27-07-2020, 20:30
Just to get off the subject of female genitals, what do you Scotts (people that live in Scotland) think of your chances of reapplying to join the EU if you got independence?
Would they let you in? Can you afford it? And if not, who or what would fund it, and would you accept the euro as currency?
This may be “off topic”, but it’s more “on” than the previous page of posts in my humble opinion.
Thread drift is notorious in AoS. So in a thread concerning itself with Coronavirus and the global pandemic, discussion of possible Scottish independence and application to rejoin the EU, is as much a thread drift and "off topic" as is the discussion of female genitalia.
InThe Sticks
27-07-2020, 21:37
So we can still debate it, yes?
If I wanted to be really infantile I'd say we could have a mass debate but I won't
If I wanted to be really infantile I'd say we could have a mass debate but I won't
Boom boom! ;)
So we can still debate it, yes?
Yes, of course. :)
No way back into the eu. No real chance of indie either.
Oh and it's Scots, not the porridge oats [emoji23]
InThe Sticks
28-07-2020, 06:51
No way back into the eu. No real chance of indie either.
Thats what i thought, couldn't mention it to NS could you?
Oh and it's Scots, not the porridge oats
Oops, my bad. Thats what too much fizz and pain meds do to me :doh:
Thats what i thought, couldn't mention it to NS could you?
Oops, my bad. Thats what too much fizz and pain meds do to me :doh:
what, ask her to rename the party:lol:
We'll see what the future brings in terms of the independence thing, and I do agree that at the moment it's a long way off. My gut still stays it will happen one day though, but there was certainly all sorts of underhand shenanigans going on last time we had the referendum [and I believe vote rigging], although of course there is no concrete proof.
I mean, what's all this about Russia's involvement in that respect, tampering with things? What would be their motive, I wonder, to interfere in something that on the surface seems nothing to do with them?:hmm:
Marco.
InThe Sticks
28-07-2020, 09:53
That was fully investigated and Russia were not found to have done anything untoward.
I think a lot of remainers were banking on the fact that they had though as it may have given them the chance for another vote.
That was fully investigated and Russia were not found to have done anything untoward.
Really? Got any links to show details of what you're saying, as that wasn't my impression of matters, which was that there was still an on-going investigation, and that nothing whatsoever had been categorically proven:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/russia-meddled-2014-scottish-independence-22308246
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/20/russia-report-kremlin-tried-meddle-scottish-independence-vote/
If true, I don't get what their motivation would be, though? Why on earth would such world giants be interested in the affairs of poor little Scotland? Anyone got any ideas?:)
Marco.
InThe Sticks
28-07-2020, 10:32
Thats what i mean, nothing was proven.
Russia i imagine would want as many out of the EU as possible as it makes it weaker, so can't see why they would want Scotland to join them (even though unless they get concessions they couldn't afford to join anyway).
I've got a recent interview bookmarked somewhere with a Russian minister explaining why they wouldn't have meddled.
I'll post it later, now off for a ride to the seaside somewhere.
Exactly, nothing has been *proven*, and by that I mean indisputably and categorically, either way. My own feeling though is that there was something in it, that underhand shenanigans did indeed take place, and that Russia were guilty, and which will come out in the wash in future.
In that respect, it'll be interesting to see what in due course the Russia Report reveals... However, you can submit information from any source you care to, which is biased towards the argument you wish to present, and of course that would apply to anything a Russian minister has to say on the matter [likely biased towards portraying Russia in the best light], therefore I'd take anything he had to say with a pinch of salt.
For me, this is a pretty balanced view of matters, and which is likely to reflect the reality: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-putin-wants-scottish-independence
I like this quote:
It will also not have come as a surprise to casual viewers of Russia Today’s coverage of the referendum campaign. There was no pretence at even-handedness: the United Kingdom was on the verge of imploding and Putin’s propagandists were keen to toss in a few grenades to help out. If it seems improbable that the annexers of Crimea would care a jot for Scottish efforts to cast off the yoke of English colonial oppression, understand that the break-up of the United Kingdom would be a coup for Putin’s Western destabilisation campaign.
Indeed, and the deeply-ingrained fervent and passionate desire for a significant proportion of the Scottish people to, as quoted: "cast off the yoke of English colonial oppression", and unjust Westminster rule over centuries, and the deep disgruntlement and sense of injustice, for having been for years systematically downtrodden, felt by those people, I believe will ensure that ONE DAY independence will rightly be theirs. Much to the chagrin of some, including our bigoted anti-Scotland PM.
The Scottish people, therefore, will NOT allow the issue of independence to simply 'go away' - and in that respect, neither will Nicola Sturgeon!
Enjoy your ride to the seaside, stretching the legs of that machine of yours - it's a lovely day for it:cool:
Marco.
I would guess (and it is only that) that if Russia were involved in the independence vote it would be trying to encourage a split in the UK - amongst many other things it would be with the intention of disrupting our nuclear sub capabilities, where else in the UK is there a suitable base other than Faslane? (also there could be a link because of Alex Salmonds work with RT?).
Sounds feasible,
assuming Russia is up to no good.
Which seems likely.
I would guess (and it is only that) that if Russia were involved in the independence vote it would be trying to encourage a split in the UK - amongst many other things it would be with the intention of disrupting our nuclear sub capabilities, where else in the UK is there a suitable base other than Faslane? (also there could be a link because of Alex Salmonds work with RT?).
Faslane came to mind to me also. Not to mention other bases that cover the 'Iceland Gap' area.
On the other hand the 'Russian interference' amounts only to postings on social media designed to influence readers to vote a certain way. No more than that. It seems unlikely to me that this would be in any way effective. On the other hand it does provide some illusory comfort for those people who otherwise cannot understand why so many people continue to reject their political ideology.
Would have thought the opposite. Independence would give encouragement to sattelites etc. Why spain wont allow scotland back into eu, with ref to the basque area
Would have thought the opposite. Independence would give encouragement to sattelites etc. Why spain wont allow scotland back into eu, with ref to the basque area
yes, but Spain are highly unlikely to send in the tanks and troops if one of their regions decides to go it alone. Whereas that's no problem for Russia.
Spain has said they would veto an attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU which would leave Scotland dependant on English currency and therefore English economic policy. Or if they could get in the EU, dependant on the Euro and - effectively - Germany's economic policy. Look how well that's worked out for Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Greece.
The only way Scotland would be truly independent is if they had their own currency that was not pegged to someone else's. I've yet to see a credible theory that suggests how that could come about.
look scotland cant run a football association ;):ner:
walpurgis
28-07-2020, 11:55
Maybe, instead of working towards independance, Scotland are planning a secret deal with Trump to become the 51st state. ;)
anthonyTD
28-07-2020, 11:59
:eek:
Maybe, instead of working towards independance, Scotland are planning a secret deal with Trump to become the 51st state. ;)
Maybe, instead of working towards independance, Scotland are planning a secret deal with Trump to become the 51st state. ;)
he could build more golf courses that way.
InThe Sticks
28-07-2020, 12:11
Enjoy your ride to the seaside, stretching the legs of that machine of yours - it's a lovely day for it:cool:
Marco.
It certainly is a lovely day here at Aldeburgh, and absolutely Packed.
https://imgur.com/a/6gvCTQV
Nice one... Always like to see someone ENJOYING life!:cool:
Marco.
InThe Sticks
28-07-2020, 21:17
This has been doing the rounds on social media for a while now, but in the interest of decent music i'll post it..
https://twitter.com/27476b54549e462/status/1288060455286640645?s=12
And this, this did make me chuckle..
https://t.co/EZkAwPvTid
Click on the vids for hilarity :D
Sorry, the second one I've no idea what that's about... Who is the girl in the video, and what's the relevance of what she's saying?:scratch:
The first one about NS is funny, but of course hugely edited to bias the intended piss-take!
Marco.
https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/shamima-begum
Right, I see, Ta. Never heard of her before, as I don't pay any attention to those sorts of things (or for that matter social media). Still don't get why the video was supposed to be funny, but it doesn't matter now, as I've lost interest lol!
Marco.
InThe Sticks
29-07-2020, 19:51
The first one about NS is funny, but of course hugely edited to bias the intended piss-take!
Marco.
Not really, the full interview..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bqs0/the-andrew-neil-interviews-election-2019-nicola-sturgeon
Soz, not playing your anti-Sturgeon games!:ner:;)
In the interests of balance, should I post some videos of Keir Starmer extracting the veritable urine out of BJ-boy? :D
Marco.
Not really, the full interview..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bqs0/the-andrew-neil-interviews-election-2019-nicola-sturgeon
Bloody hell, just watched that :eek:
I think the twitter shortened version did her a favour or two.
Worst drug addiction figures in Europe.......... YOU can have yer independence........ BYE BYE Scotland. :lolsign:
Bloody hell, just watched that :eek:
I think the twitter shortened version did her a favour or two.
It just shows how whatever your political or nationalistic bias is, can cloud your perception of said interview, as I've also just watched it and concluded that NS was honest and candid, as usual, and ably held her own, correcting some factual errors from the interviewer, without allowing herself to be forced into a corner!:ner:
Nothing or no-one is perfect, or gets everything right, including NS (or the SNP), but I'd still rather have her as PM, before blundering Boris, as aside from anything else, whether right or wrong, she always displays consummate integrity and sincerity, and for me that's important.
Plus, unlike the English here, as my nationality is Scottish (and Scotland is where I was born, although my ethnicity is Italian) I don't give a flying fuck about Westminster, or what's best for England.
What I care about is what's BEST for Scotland - and ultimately I believe that's independence (so that Scotland can make entirely its own decisions, retain ALL monies it generates, particularly from North Sea oil/gas, and so be in charge of its destiny), and with it, for its people, the end of centuries of unjust English colonial rule and oppression!
:exactly:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/OjAvI0.jpg
And I firmly and passionately believe that ONE day it *will* happen:more::more:
Marco.
https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/braveheart.jpg
Yeah, that one'll do, too!!:D
Marco.
Flags look a bit tatty. :)
Ha - maybe that's a sign!:eek::eyebrows:
Marco.
flags are meant to be tatty, although those are not tatty enough... looks like someone has tried to make em tatty.. need a good war to get the right tattiness.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/96/0f/77/960f77325d4d8b46ffe3dab01d202256.jpg
flags are meant to be tatty, although those are not tatty enough... looks like someone has tried to make em tatty.. need a good war to get the right tattiness.
Remember the flags in Argentina 78 World Cup ( perhaps you were there grant ?) Dear old Allys army. Still we did nt even qualify :eyebrows:
no, but i was at the qualfier to get there... where a handball and a Masson pen secured a trip, thjat in all honesty the welsh should have taken.. thanks to Robert Wurtz, THE REF LOL
Was that the match when Joe Jordan got away with one lol ?. Despite winding Marco up with the England / Scottish thing I was actually quite fond of the Scotland football team back then, with the like of Law, Baxter, Bremner;
Johnston et al. Then you d get somebody from Arbroath or somewhere make a complete howler and ruin the day, Anyway right off subject ! :)
Was that the match when Joe Jordan got away with one lol ?. Despite winding Marco up with the England / Scottish thing I was actually quite fond of the Scotland football team back then, with the like of Law, Baxter, Bremner;
Johnston et al. Then you d get somebody from Arbroath or somewhere make a complete howler and ruin the day, Anyway right off subject ! :)
I remember the Argentina campaign well, and the song too. Everyone wanted them to do well but everyone knew it was never going to happen.
My abiding memory from that was the amazing 3-2 win over Holland, and *that* world-class goal by Archie Gemmill!:eek::)
The 'Ally's Tartan Army' bollox though, was just deeply embarrassing... However, where were England that year?;)
Marco.
More on topic, what about the government's 'Tweeting' of the recent localised lockdowns? Just incredible....
Aside from the trivialising of such an important situation, by using social media to announce it, what if those in question living in that area didn't use Twitter? Jeez, the end of the world could've been announced on fucking Twitter, and I wouldn't have had a scooby-doo, as I don't go near it, ditto Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, and the rest of such shite. Not everyone runs their life on social media!
And I'm sure there are plenty, who like me, don't... So the government's arrogance in automatically presuming that everyone reads Twitter is both grossly misplaced and beggars belief!!:doh:
Marco.
The buggers announced it at 5 minutes to midnight. This means that those visitors who were staying overnight for the weekend are now breaking the law, through no fault of their own.
(It hasn't escaped my attention that today is the beginning of Eid al Adha, an important festival in the Muslim calendar. Do you think the Government chose the date deliberately; would it have chosen Christmas Eve if it thought it necessary for a further lockdown?)
No chance.... As I've said before, Barry, the wankers don't give a fuck.
Marco.
Won't make any difference to em they dont abide by our laws anyway. I do find it amusing though that pubs are remaining open.
The buggers announced it at 5 minutes to midnight. This means that those visitors who were staying overnight for the weekend are now breaking the law, through no fault of their own.
(It hasn't escaped my attention that today is the beginning of Eid al Adha, an important festival in the Muslim calendar. Do you think the Government chose the date deliberately; would it have chosen Christmas Eve if it thought it necessary for a further lockdown?)
Its unlikely these days I think to see any gov lab or con not to be P/c so they must have seen some scary figures
So what was the Twitter pish all about?
Marco.
My abiding memory from that was the amazing 3-2 win over Holland, and *that* world-class goal by Archie Gemmill!:eek::)
The 'Ally's Tartan Army' bollox though, was just deeply embarrassing... However, where were England that year?;)
Marco. Well clearly not in Argy land as stated already. Remember the Ally McLeood does NOT eat here banner outside a restaurant when the debacle was all over :lol:
Lol - a very mad time... Mind you, it was an era where we had genuinely world-class players in our team, and we were qualifying for World Cups, and yooz wurnae!:D
I believe you missed '74, too?:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
Lol - a very mad time... Mind you, it was an era where we had genuinely world-class players in our team, and we were qualifying for World Cups, and yooz wurnae!:D
I believe you missed '74, too?:eyebrows:;)
Marco. Don't remind me of 74 this time of night, please. Ramsey s last match in charge, umpteen chances go astray and then Poland break and score. The abiding memory though was
Cloughie on tv calling there keeper a CLOWN :lol:..... even though he made some very fine saves, albeit a dash unconventionally. Appy days !
Lol - a very mad time... Mind you, it was an era where we had genuinely world-class players in our team, and we were qualifying for World Cups, and yooz wurnae!:D
I believe you missed '74, too?:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
It's a shame you have to go back so far in the past to find some (semi) glory days though isn't it? :D
Lol - oh I know... Difference is though, we're SHITE, and we *know* we are, whereas you always think you're capable of winning the World Cup [completely unjustifiably, IMO, and forever chunter on about 19 bloody 66], but since then frequently fall woefully short, which is always rather funny!:ner::D
;)
At least my other team (Italy) always has a realistic chance...
Marco.
Lol - oh I know... Difference is though, we're SHITE, and we *know* we are, whereas you always think you're capable of winning the World Cup [completely unjustifiably, IMO, and forever chunter on about 19 bloody 66], but since then frequently fall woefully short, which is always rather funny!:ner::D
;)
At least my other team (Italy) always has a realistic chance...
Marco.
Yes, the problem is that we're not bad enough to remove all hope, so it's still always a disappointment when we don't win it. Although without some poor refereeing decisions ('Hand of God' et al) who knows what could have happened?
not still going on about hand of god are we ;) whit aboot the over the line goal in 66 ?:eyebrows:
Yes, the problem is that we're not bad enough to remove all hope, so it's still always a disappointment when we don't win it. Although without some poor refereeing decisions ('Hand of God' et al) who knows what could have happened?
Indeed, but life is full of 'what ifs'...:)
IMO, it would be far better for England to enter tournaments, playing down their chances of winning them (considering themselves instead as UNDERDOGS), and just taking one game at a time, which I'm sure is what the players and manager do (as anything else simply reeks of arrogance, and pisses off the non-English like you wouldn't believe, especially the Scots) - it's the bloody jingoistic English media and TV pundits (and some sections of the fans) that are the real problem!:doh:
Being English, and therefore an England fan, you won't really appreciate just how annoying that is to have to listen to, when you've got English TV pundits (often ex-players) predicting who England could meet in the quarter or semi-finals of the competition, after having only played ONE group game!!:rolleyes::wanker::punch:
FUCK right off..... How I wish I could give some of them a damn good slap! It's also why everyone else laughs out loud when they (usually sooner rather than later) get put out!:D
Marco.
not still going on about hand of god are we ;) whit aboot the over the line goal in 66 ?:eyebrows:
True but it made no difference to the outcome.
Indeed, but life is full of 'what ifs'...:)
IMO, it would be far better for England to enter tournaments, playing down their chances of winning them, and just taking one game at a time, which I'm sure is what the players and manager do (as anything else simply reeks of arrogance, and pisses off the non-English like you wouldn't believe, especially the Scots) - it's the bloody jingoistic English media and TV pundits (and some sections of the fans) that are the real problem!:doh:
Being English, and therefore an England fan, you won't really appreciate just how annoying that is to have to listen to, when you've got English TV pundits (often ex-players) predicting who England could meet in the quarter or semi-finals, of the competition after having only played ONE group game!!:rolleyes::wanker::punch:
FUCK right off..... Oh how I wish I could give some of them a damn good slap!
Marco.
have to say I don't generally listen to the punditry. Don't see the point of it. Although it is quite funny sometimes when they lapse into Partridge-isms.
You can't blame us fans for being enthusiastic, surely that's the very definition of a 'fan'?
not still going on about hand of god are we ;) whit aboot the over the line goal in 66 ?:eyebrows:
Lol... The problem is, England fans are under the illusion that their international team is far better than it actually is, seemingly justified by the notion that the EPL is one of the best leagues in the world, which of course is true, BUT largely because of all the foreigners playing there making it so, and who sadly con't play for England!:D
Marco.
True but it made no difference to the outcome.
impossible to say
Lol... The problem is, England fans are under the illusion that their international team is far better than it actually is, seemingly justified by the notion that the EPL is one of the best leagues in the world, which of course is true, BUT largely because of all the foreigners playing there making it so, and who sadly con't play for England!:D
Marco.
a decent international side to be fair.. might be a lot better if they didnt have so many foreign stars playing in the english league... although we could also maybe make that point too, certainly with our top 2 sides
have to say I don't generally listen to the punditry. Don't see the point of it. Although it is quite funny sometimes when they lapse into Partridge-isms.
You can't blame us fans for being enthusiastic, surely that's the very definition of a 'fan'?
Enthusiasm is fine, ARROGANCE isn't - and with England fans, frequently the balance is tipped in favour of the latter, which is why it rubs up everyone else (the non-English) who then want them to lose... Plus also because if they won, (like 1966), you'd never hear the end of it!!:doh:
Marco.
Lol... The problem is, England fans are under the illusion that their international team is far better than it actually is, seemingly justified by the notion that the EPL is one of the best leagues in the world, which of course is true, BUT largely because of all the foreigners playing there making it so, and who sadly con't play for England!:D
Marco.
That doesn't describe any England fan I know. No-one with even a small amount of football knowledge would draw that connection.
Enthusiasm is fine, ARROGANCE isn't - and with England fans, frequently the balance is tipped in favour of the latter, which is why it rubs up everyone else (the non-English) who then want them to lose... Plus also because if they won, (like 1966), you'd never hear the end of it!!:doh:
Marco.
Ah but you're missing the point that the English don't care who they rub up the wrong way :D
a decent international side to be fair.. might be a lot better if they didnt have so many foreign stars playing in the english league... although we could also maybe make that point too, certainly with our top 2 sides
Exactly my point. Plus, and so this is the key thing, WHY OH WHY then do they go into World Cups as one of the FAVOURITES, having only won the tournament once, some 54 years ago, plus (to my knowledge) have appeared in only one semi-final since!:doh:
It's bullshit. Fair enough if they had the track record in recent time to warrant that tag, and had recently reached numerous quarter and semi-finals, but they haven't. So how is their favourites status in World Cup tournaments remotely justified? Just because 'they're England'...?:rolleyes:
And yes, the Scotland international team is also hampered by all the foreigners playing for Rangers and Celtic, and one of the reasons why we haven't qualified for a major tournament since 1998. However, we're a much smaller nation than England, with far less money supporting our game, and so I'd argue that in that respect, given their resources, England, since 1966, have underachieved at international level far more than Scotland.
Marco.
Ah but you're missing the point that the English don't care who they rub up the wrong way :D
Ha - indeed, and which is why half the world hates them!:ner:;)
Bullish arrogance, coupled with an unjustifed and overinflated sense of superiority, is never an attractive trait, and will only ever succeed in winning you more enemies than friends.
Marco.
Ha - indeed, and which is why half the world hates them!:ner:;)
Bullish arrogance, coupled with an overinflated sense of superiority, is never an attractive trait, and will only ever succeed in winning you more enemies than friends.
Marco.
Well I was being tongue in cheek of course, But seriously, no England fan cares whether a Frenchman or an Italian or whoever wants them to win - or lose. Why would they? They'd expect them to support their own national side and be elated or disappointed if that side won or lost. Once England are out I'm not bothered who wins it.
In what world cup have England ever gone in as a 'Favourite'. I can't recall us ever being a favourite with the bookmakers and that's surely the only definition that counts?
That doesn't describe any England fan I know. No-one with even a small amount of football knowledge would draw that connection.
So what else explains the fact that England are, unjustifiably, always considered as one of the favourites to win the tournament, at the beginning of every World Cup? It can't be their recent record in the competition, so what else justifies them as favourites, if it isn't the fact that the status of EPL falsely inflates the status of the England international team?
Marco.
So what else explains the fact that England are, unjustifiably, always considered as one of the favourites to win the tournament, at the beginning of every World Cup? It can't be their recent record in the competition, so what else justifies them as favourites, if it isn't the fact that the status of EPL falsely inflates the status of the England international team?
Marco.
As above when have we ever been the favourite? Or even one of the favourites? France, Holland, Germany, Spain, Italy and Portugal are always the top picks, although the ranking does vary from tournament to tournament obviously. The usual narrative is that England are the 'plucky underdogs.' Which is also bollocks ofc.
EDIT - forgot the non-Europeans like Argentina, Brazil, Uraguay. They all get ranked higher than England too.
In what world cup have England ever gone in as a 'Favourite'. I can't recall us ever being a favourite with the bookmakers and that's surely the only definition that counts?
Not favourite, but ONE of the favourites. If you were to ask pretty much any person in the English media, journalist or TV pundit, who were, say, the top six favourites to win the World Cup, in any given year, England would be in that top six [I guarantee you] - and quite simply their record doesn't justify it.
Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Holland (among others), *factually*, based on their record in World Cups to date, are all ahead of England.
*That* is my point. Realistically, England have hee-haw chance of winning the World Cup anytime soon, so they should NOT be seen as being one of the favourites.
Marco.
Not favourite, but ONE of the favourites. If you were to ask pretty much any person in the English media, journalist or TV pundit, who were, say, the top four favourites to win the European Championships or World Cup, in any given year, England would be in that top four [I guarantee you] - and quite simply their record doesn't justify it.
*That* is my point. Top six, at a push, and near the bottom of that too, is far more accurate. Realistically, they have hee-haw chance of winning the World Cup. The Euros, maybe, at a push.
Marco.
A pundit will say anything though. What counts is what the bookies think. And we're never even close to being a favourite with them.
And I'd never say never if I were you. Remember Leicester winning the EPL? I know a Leicester fan won ten grand on that betting at the start of the season. You'd have told him 'Don't waste your money!' ( I would've too tbh).
Yup, but league football is a *totally* different ball game (literally) to the international variety, as aside from anything else, teams are bolstered by the quality of top foreign players - and that makes a HUGE difference to your likelihood of winning things.
Plus, remember I said anytime SOON, and I stand by that, as foreigners will continue to flood the English domestic leagues for many years to come, which subsequently is likely to continue weakening the international side.
In terms of bookies, that doesn't detract from the point I've just made. The point is, as a Scot, having to listen to such biased nonsense from the media, during tournaments, especially English commentators during matches [chuntering on about England this, England that, when they're not even playing:doh:], is a major bugbear and spoils your enjoyment of the tournament.
For UK TV coverage, the channels should employ more Scots, Welsh and Irish commentators and pundits, which would then help even out the bias.
Marco.
Yup, but league football is a *totally* different ball game (literally) to the international variety, as aside from anything else teams are bolstered by the quality of top foreigners - and that makes a HUGE difference to your likelihood of winning stuff.
In terms of bookies, that doesn't detract from the point I've just made. The point is, as a Scot, having to listen to such biased nonsense from the media, during tournaments, especially English commentators during matches [chuntering on about England, even when they're not even playing:doh:], is a major bugbear and spoils your enjoyment of the tournament.
Marco.
So don't watch the punditry. I usually switch over to the channel showing the match just before kick-off so I avoid all that.
And as far as fans go, the times I have watched matches in the pub the crowd have been highly critical of the team in general, the manager and certain players. Unfairly so, sometimes. There's certainly no uncritical adoration going on from the fans.
So don't watch the punditry.
No, that's not the answer. That's a copout. The answer is to IMPROVE the quality of the punditry in the first place, and dilute English bias. After all, the whole of the UK isn't supporting England during World Cups, so commentators and pundits should always remember that.
I'm a MASSIVE and passionate football fan, so I love all the 'chat', before, during and after games - but I want to hear a bit less about England, and more about the other teams involved, when I tune in. Surely that's not too much to ask, unless the BBC is really the EBC?;)
Oh and ITV aren't much better either!
Marco.
No, that's not the answer.That's a copout. The answer is to IMPROVE the quality of the punditry, in the first place, and dilute English bias. After all, the whole of the UK isn't supporting England, so commentators and pundits should always remember that.
I'm a MASSIVE football fan, so I love all the 'chat' - but I want to hear a bit less about England, and more about the other teams involved when I tune in. Surely that's not too much to ask, unless the BBC is really the EBC?;)
Oh and ITV aren't much better either!
Marco.
That's were we differ as I think football is for watching or playing, not for talking about. Although I suppose I'm talking about it now.
I think the TV just gives the punters what they think the punters want. I'd guess if they come across as being negative about England they get a whole load of complaints from nutters. I think that has actually happened a couple of times. But those nutters are not the bulk of football/England fans. IME the bulk of fans are quite realistic about the team's chance of success.
ive heard english fans complaining that their side is being talked up too much...again lol but yes the pundits do regularly get carried away with a 2-0 win v paraguay or the likes.. they also love to replay a bad call against them a thousand different ways til they get the result it was a bad decision, yet never do same the other way..:eyebrows:
sure they aint the only ones of course... celtic do it all the time:ner:
That's were we differ as I think football is for watching or playing, not for talking about. Although I suppose I'm talking about it now.
Well, i think you'll find yourself in the minority there among the *real* fans. That's a bit like saying hi-fi equipment is just for listening to music on!;)
I think the TV just gives the punters what they think the punters want.
Yes, the ENGLISH punters, not neutrals. The neutrals, like me, would like some more 'neutral' commentary. Simples!
Marco.
I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with talking up the team's chance of success. if the general acceptance is that England have no chance what is to inspire the players? They are expected to fail, they fail, no big deal. On the other hand if you aim for perfection you've at least got a chance of achieving excellence. Nothing wrong with a bit of pressure to perform well.
Well, i think you'll find yourself in the minority there among the *real* fans.
Yes, no doubt.
Yes, the ENGLISH punters, not the neutrals. The neutrals, like me, would like some more 'neutral' commentary.
Marco.
How does it work abroad though? When Italian TV screen an Italy world cup match does the tone of the punditry reflect the 'neutrals' who are watching? I don't know but I doubt it. Maybe for the next world cup you should travel to a country that screens the matches but doesn't have a dog in the race. China, maybe? Although you'd have to learn Mandarin first :)
Yes, but unlike Italy, Britain is made up of FOUR different countries, whose requirements for watching footy on TV should therefore be catered for EQUALLY.
It's rather different in Italy, and where chances are during football matches, you're preaching to converted!;)
Marco.
Yes, but unlike Italy, Britain is made up of FOUR different countries, whose requirements for watching footy on TV should therefore be catered for EQUALLY.
It's rather different in Italy, and where chances are during football matches, you're preaching to converted!;)
Marco.
Doesn't apply though if England were the only home nation to qualify. When NI qualified as well there was just as much fuss over them as there was with England. And what about all the non-Italian people living in Italy? There must be a fair few. Don't they count?
Doesn't apply though if England were the only home nation to qualify. When NI qualified as well there was just as much fuss over them as there was with England.
Sorry, not even remotely so! You're obviously unaware of the reality because you don't bother listening to the 'chat'!;)
There's ALWAYS a media "fuss" over England, no matter where or when they're playing football, even in friendlies, which are televised live to a UK-wide audience - a luxury not afforded to Scotland, Wales or N.Ireland for their friendlies, and which instead are regional. The fact is, the coverage of sport (not just football) in the UK is heavily biased towards England, just like everything else, which is one of the many reasons why Scots want independence, to escape from such control!:ner:
And what about all the non-Italian people living in Italy? There must be a fair few. Don't they count?
Of course they do, but you're still missing the point. It's not about who was born or who comes from where, in terms of individuals; it's about catering for the needs of the NATION in question, as a WHOLE. In that respect, Italy is Italy, Germany is Germany, and France is France, etc.
However, Britain is NOT England. There are three other, equally important nations to consider, so the BRITISH (not English) broadcasting associations should accept that fact and make allowances for it, in order to ensure that their coverage of ALL sporting events, is carried out from a NEUTRAL and impartial perspective, not one biased towards England.
IMPARTIALITY is essentially the key point. The national broadcasters of ANY country, therefore (Italy or otherwise), have a duty to ensure that their TV coverage - of pretty much anything - is as impartial as possible, and that patently doesn't occur in the UK during the BBC's or ITV's national live coverage of World Cup football games.
Anyway, I think we should leave it there now, and just agree to disagree, otherwise we're in danger of creating a pointless circular argument, on a subject where, as a result of our respective nationalities, our views are largely incompatible.
Marco.
Well...fuck. :rolleyes:
Just realised where Chorley services is, or rather which part of England?
Out n about yesterday, stopped off at the Whiz Palace there, mask on, straight in and out, hands cleansed and back to the car.
If I'd known it was in the "hot zone" of Lancashire (just, quite south) I'd have driven on.
Stopped off at a petrol station in Woking too, not the epicenter but they aren't doing too great either.
Again masked n hands sanitised afterwards.
Good UK related Covid Map on this Site here:
https://covid.joinzoe.com/data
Going to isolate for a bit, just in case.
Feckin’ English! :D
Aye.
36 degrees there on top of that too yesterday, though know that's now what you meant. :D
So what was the purpose of your trip down south, daftee? Ye didnae say!:D
Marco.
So what was the purpose of your trip down south, daftee? Ye didnae say!:D
Marco.
To pick up a black box Marco,
https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?61906-My-2019-Update-Thread-My-final-system-I-think&p=1210348#post1210348
Was going to sleep over somewhere halfway and drive back fresh in the morning, but decided against it as “halfway” was now in Covid lockdown!
6 1/2 hours Drive each way.
13 hrs in the car (before any delays) so a long day!
M6 was a nightmare.
Must be off my head, but happy the jobs done.
Ah I see.... No worries, mate. Hope it was worth it!:cool:
Marco.
Have my Tunes back so yeah! :D
Just getting a blank screen, mate.... What are you trying to show?
Marco.
InThe Sticks
07-08-2020, 16:48
HNvWj9OPA7k
Sound up!
Still blank!!
Just post a direct link to the YT video you're attempting to show, rather than trying to embed it.
Marco.
InThe Sticks
07-08-2020, 16:51
Ok, but it works on my end on 2 computers, ipad & iphone. With or without being logged in. Weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNvWj9OPA7k
Here you go...
https://youtu.be/HNvWj9OPA7k
Just watched it. Funny as FUCK!:lol::lol:
Marco.
An overview of how things are going around Europe: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/08/10/covid-19-in-europe-what-do-the-latest-figures-show/
And encouraging signs for the UK:
As for the UK, the weekly rate remains at a comparatively low level, with fewer than 10 new cases per 100,000 people.
There were 8.7 new cases per 100,000 in the seven days to August 7, up slightly from 7.9 in the previous week. At the start of July the rate was 9.4, while at the beginning of June it was 20.9.
:cool:
Long may that general downward trend continue!
Marco.
And, check out the scene where you are in England:
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/08/10/latest-weekly-covid-19-rates-for-local-authority-areas-in-englan/
Marco.
Not sure about this, hmnn.
Putin says Russia has approved 'world first' Covid-19 vaccine. But questions over its safety remainhttps://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-putin-intl/index.html
Indeed - you can keep yer [not properly tested, unproven as 100% safe, simply money-making for the rich] vaccines!
Marco.
Not sure about this, hmnn.
Putin says Russia has approved 'world first' Covid-19 vaccine. But questions over its safety remainhttps://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-putin-intl/index.html
The treatment is yet to go through crucial Phase 3 trials where it would be administered to thousands of people.
In other words, they don't know yet if it works or not and they don't know yet if it is safe or not. Not sure what 'approved' means in that context. Still, good news if it really does work.
The treatment is yet to go through crucial Phase 3 trials where it would be administered to thousands of people.
In other words, they don't know yet if it works or not and they don't know yet if it is safe or not. Not sure what 'approved' means in that context. Still, good news if it really does work.
it means they will try it out on undesirables first and see what happens
The treatment is yet to go through crucial Phase 3 trials where it would be administered to thousands of people.
In other words, they don't know yet if it works or not and they don't know yet if it is safe or not. Not sure what 'approved' means in that context. Still, good news if it really does work.
And who's word would you trust on that as being gospel, before having it injected into your veins?
There's no way I'll be going near any vaccine that has been 'rushed through' for this virus. I'd top myself first! Especially as I'm entirely convinced that my immune system can cope (as it did last time) should I ever get it again.
Marco.
it means they will try it out on undesirables first and see what happens
Apparently Putin's daughter's had it... AYE RIGHT! Where's the proof??
Marco.
The Black Adder
11-08-2020, 12:03
lol... It's probably been stolen anyway. They have been hacking like mad since all this started. Or bought the research from hackers in China. It's big business.
Is it safe?... Eeuch! - I doubt it.
And who's word would you trust on that as being gospel, before having it injected into your veins?
There's no way I'll be going near any vaccine that has been 'rushed through' for this virus. I'd top myself first! Especially as I'm entirely convinced that my immune system can cope (as it did last time) should I ever get it again.
Marco.
If British medical scientists say it's okay then I'd be fine with it.
You don't know that you've had it already, either. That's a big leap of faith.
How do you know I haven't been tested?;)
See below: https://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/18617991.hundreds-attend-wrexhams-two-mobile-coronavirus-testing-centres-first-day/
British scientists can be 'adversely influenced' by controlling authorities, for whatever dubious reasons, the same as anyone else. Blindly believing that they, or anyone representing them, automatically have your best interests at heart, is both gullible and naive, and not really like you.
If we're talking about 'leaps of faith' therefore, I'd say that the biggest one was simply 'accepting' that any vaccine introduced now was 100% safe (nothing else will do) without adequate proof of such, and by that I mean tested and approved by independent, impartial experts.
Marco.
by that I mean approved by independent, impartial experts.
Marco.
Yes so do I. British independent impartial experts. Plenty of countries where they could cover up an unsafe vaccine, this is probably the least likely place where that could happen. Ultimately you're always playing the odds, so play the most favourable.
(If you'd been tested you would have said already. And in any case the tests are not 100% accurate).
Well, I'm glad we agree on the last bit! Between Del and I, we've had all the common symptoms, Del worse than me, so I'd be astonished if we hadn't had it.
And by the same token, neither would any vaccine introduced now, so quickly (when we've never before been successfully able to create a vaccine for a form of Coronavirus, including the last one SARS), likely be EFFECTIVE, even if it is deemed as 'safe'. So if 'playing against the odds', I'll trust the effectiveness of my God-given immune system!
So I wonder which strain of Covid-19 this vaccine has been designed to address - the one that first hit us, or what it's mutated into since?
Marco.
anthonyTD
11-08-2020, 12:46
was listening to a chat show a little while ago, can't for the life of me remember who the two in question were, :doh: but the conversation went something like this;
Ohh, i am immune i have antibodies says the one being interviewed, so you have had a test, asks the interviewer, yes, came the reply, interviewer, ok, but haven’t we been told by the experts that any antibodies we might make naturally may only keep us safe for around three months, yes was the reply, Interviewer; ok, well when we actually get a vaccine, are we to expect a similar life time of immunisation as our own natural way of creating antibodies, yes, came the reply!
So my point is; What the hell good is a vaccine that only covers us for a three month period at a time! :scratch:
Please someone correct me if my assumptions are wrong.
A...
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 12:48
Well, I'm glad we agree on the last bit! Between Del and I, we've had all the common symptoms, Del worse than me, so I'd be astonished if we hadn't had it.
And by the same token, neither would any vaccine introduced now, so quickly (when we've never been successfully able to create a vaccine for any form of Coronavirus, including the last one SARS), likely be EFFECTIVE, even if it is deemed as 'safe'.
So I wonder which strain of Covid-19 this vaccine has been designed to address - the one that first hit us, or what it's mutated into since?
Marco.
Or neither really, maybe, if the real agenda was that the vaccine carries something else too ?!!? .......:scratch:
So my point is; What the hell good is a vaccine that only covers us for a three month period at a time!
Exactly! And if they tell you anything different, they're deluded, or lying simply to encourage you to have it. Like I said too, by now the virus will very likely have mutated into something else (a different strain), therefore vaccinating against the original one will be fruitless.
The reality is, we simply have to learn to live with this virus, and deal with it/take the necessary precautions, in the same way as any other mankind has faced, especially one (when properly controlled and managed) with a death rate arguably no higher than that of flu.
Under those circumstances therefore, IMO, any 'vaccine' that's been rushed through, in order to inoculate the population, simply stinks of an agenda.
Marco.
anthonyTD
11-08-2020, 12:58
Indeed, which makes me even more suspicious as to the real reason for wanting to give us anything!
Exactly! And if they tell you anything different, they're deluded, or lying simply to encourage you to have it. Like I said too, by now it'll have very likely mutated into something else (a different strain).
Marco.
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 13:02
Indeed, which makes me even more suspicious as to the real reason for wanting to give us anything!
Exactly !
tbh tey could easily pop it into the flu jab, or any other jab folk get.. can lower the age for jab so more folk got it etc... anyway they dont have the tech for it
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 13:13
tbh tey could easily pop it into the flu jab, or any other jab folk get.. can lower the age for jab so more folk got it etc... anyway they dont have the tech for it
Yep, defo and why I'm one of those who will avoid any inoculation as best as I possibly can. I do not trust our world powers and authorities, particularly when it comes to things such as the scenario we currently have.
anthonyTD
11-08-2020, 13:22
:)
Yep, defo and why I'm one of those who will avoid any inoculation as best as I possibly can.
walpurgis
11-08-2020, 13:32
They can always try it on the chavs first. Mind you, would anybody notice if they turned into zombies? :hmm:
Seriously, I want my vaccination ASAP!! No more worrying about who may be infected or where I go, sounds ideal.
tbh tey could easily pop it into the flu jab, or any other jab folk get.. can lower the age for jab so more folk got it etc... anyway they dont have the tech for it
And do you think that there haven't been any nasty side-effects from people having flu jabs, some of which might not have surfaced for years? The point being, there already *is* 'shit' inside the flu jab which, although may protect you to some degree from the flu, fatally damages your body in the process, I'd argue by adversely affecting your immune system.
That's why, some folk who are regularly jabbed with this that or the next thing, not just for the flu, and permanently on antibiotics, despite all that are never well!:doh:
Yourself mate, sadly being a case in point. I fundamentally believe that some of the stuff that's wrong with you is because of your body being pumped full of chemicals for years. I'd also say that Anthony comes into that category. The fact is that the side effects of some drugs are often worse than the ailments they were designed to cure!
For me, the less shit like that you take, the better for you it is. In my view, instead of drugs being the 'default solution' for treating various health conditions, we should be learning more about natural (plant based) remedies, and being better educated in terms of nutrition! But of course, that doesn't make any money for the big pharma companies, or the billionaires behind them....
I'm also not convinced that it's in the best interests of 'the powers that be' to have a healthy population, and if you believe that's the case (for good reason) then you can start to see why certain things are how they are.
Marco.
Yep, defo and why I'm one of those who will avoid any inoculation as best as I possibly can. I do not trust our world powers and authorities, particularly when it comes to things such as the scenario we currently have.
Ditto, with BIG BELLS on!!!!
Remember that once this crap is inside you, there is NO going back.
Marco.
They can always try it on the chavs first. Mind you, would anybody notice if they turned into zombies? :hmm:
Seriously, I want my vaccination ASAP!! No more worrying about who may be infected or where I go, sounds ideal.
Then, sadly Geoff, you obviously haven't paid attention to a word that's been said in relation to the highly potential 'dodgyness' of this whole thing.
And how would any (arguably ineffective) vaccine, for logical reasons stated, result in you not worrying in that way, other than having the comfort of a purely psychological/placebo effect? I.E 'I feel safe now, just because I've been vaccinated', even if *in reality* said vaccine doesn't do what it says on the tin.
In that [very possible] scenario, you'd be no safer outside, mingling with folk, than you are now. You cannot rely on drugs to provide a risk-free life, as there is no such thing.
Marco.
walpurgis
11-08-2020, 14:02
Vaccines have eradicated or vastly reduced many horrible viral diseases, I don't expect the Cornavirus vaccine to be different.
I don't let myself be influenced by scaremongering and rumours, let alone conspiracy theories.
Vaccines have eradicated or vastly reduced many horrible viral diseases, I don't expect the Cornavirus vaccine to be different.
I don't let myself be influenced by scaremongering and rumours, let alone conspiracy theories.
yup. i will make sure its safe first tho.. i can live indoors for most part as long as i have to.. ive managed 5 months
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 14:07
And do you think there haven't been any nasty side-effects from people having flu jabs, some of which might not surface for years? The point being, there already *is* 'shit' inside the flu jab that, although may protect you to some degree from the flu, fatally damages your body in the process, I'd argue by adversely affecting your immune system.
That's why, some folk who are regularly jabbed with this that or the next thing, not just for the flu, and permanently on antibiotics, despite all that are never well!:doh:
Yourself mate, sadly being a good case in point. I fundamentally believe that some of the stuff that's wrong with you is because of your body being pumped full of chemicals for years. I'd also say that Anthony comes into that category. The fact is, that the side effects of these drugs are often worse than the symptoms of the ailments they were designed to cure!
For me, the less shit like that you take, the better for you it is. In my view, instead of drugs being the 'default solution' for treating ailments, we should be learning more about natural remedies! But of course, that doesn't make any money for the big pharma companies, or the billionaires behind them....
I'm also not convinced that it's in the interests of 'the powers that be' to have a healthy population.
Marco.
Absolutely. Everything we need to keep us healthy is already here on the planet. God provided and gave man that knowledge.
BUT, it doesnt suit certain types to go down that road and educate us that way, as you've pointed out Marco and for many other reasons too.
If you speak to any of the elder Caribbeans in particular, my Mum included, they will tell how when they were young, no matter what ailment you had, stomach, headache, cut, wound etc there mums/grand parents would know the exact item/bush/herb/ leaf use or boil, prepare and give you.
My mum remembers her and her sister being given regular bitters for cleansing of the system and blood.
Who even still knows that stuf now, let alone in the west, the knowledge has been almost lost. Thankfully some of us still know it and cleanse, detox the system and utilise the good and beneficial herbs and spices available to us all.
How can you just eat and eat, pollute the system and never cleanse it ?? makes no sense. The build up poisons and all manner of toxins is not good for the system at all, hence it becomes diseased, sometimes leading to cancers, blood pressure, sugar diabetes and so on.
At least know the health benefits of the simple things available to you, Water, garlic, turmeric, onions, beetroot, ginger, fruits-vit C, Vit K2, D3, Green tea and other herbal drinks. Lemon, green leaf, super herbs like Spirulina and chlorella, and ALL berries, which have amazing health benefit.
Boosting your immune system is key ! and by doing so you are gaining far more good benefit to your general, overall health than any flu jab inoculation behavior
We need to be smart and educate our selves, high blood pressure aint no joke either. Cut down on the sugar, salt, drink lots of water at least, learn about the good things for the body and what to avoid, ie: fatty diet, artificial sweeteners which are basically carcinogenic but our so called great sugar free alternatives are loaded with them, same the colours (chemicals) in our foods.
Be smart and informed, then act on it for our own good. Trust no one but your own knowledge and wisdom. The more you know and learn, the harder and less likely that you will be just going along with things, willy nilly, to your detriment.
BTW - not trying to diss anyone's medication or be doctor. This is just a way to help and share n terms of general health being and maintenance :)
anthonyTD
11-08-2020, 14:08
I think someone's trying to tell us something!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8373825/Poor-harvest-Mysterious-200ft-Covid-crop-circle-appears-Wiltshire-farmers-barley-field.html
Despite over 50's now being considered "most at risk" it seems that 50 to 65 year olds will be at the back of the queue for the jab due to limited stocks and the logistics of getting the population lined up for an inoculation.
I am quite willing to have the flu jab (for Covid) even if it only reduces my risk of being put on a ventilator by 10 or 20%. Hearing more about the long term effects of this virus is quite frightening. Also, this winter is going to be pandemonium in A&E with people having the common cold or one of several other infections panicking and getting themselves off to the hospital, just in case.
Get stocked up with bog roll, tins of tomatoes, flour and bottles of spirits now :D
Vaccines have eradicated or vastly reduced many horrible viral diseases, I don't expect the Cornavirus vaccine to be different.
And so you haven't seen the problems and terrible side-effects that have been caused around the world by bad vaccines? And we certainly don't know for sure, whether this one, if it happens, will be good! And even 'good' vaccines can have side-effects, as I've just explained to Grant.
I don't let myself be influenced by scaremongering and rumours, let alone conspiracy theories.
Fair enough, but I think you should also guard against the effect of only believing what your belief system wants you to believe, and shunning *anything* else, rumour, scaremongering or 'conspiracy theory', which challenges that and takes you outside of your comfort zone;)
That's a BIG problem, IMO, for some folk who are staunchly anti 'conspiracy theories'........
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
11-08-2020, 14:12
Smallpox eradicated by, guess what?
Absolutely. ........
My mum remembers her and her sister being given regular bitter for cleansing of the system.
Who even still knows that stuf now, let alone in the west, the knowledge has been almost lost. Thankfully some of us still know it and cleanse the system.
I stopped using my local pub because their bitter was too effective at cleansing my system :eek:
On a, slightly, more serious note my mum was given bottles of milk stout to build her up after giving birth.
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 14:17
Smallpox eradicated by, guess what?
Defo! doesnt mean everything being offered up there onwards must be trusted 100%, life aint that simple
walpurgis
11-08-2020, 14:22
Having been jabbed for just about every non-tropical disease I'm likely to encounter and never had noticeable side effects, I'm not too worried.
That of course includes my annual Flu jab, which I've been getting for around twenty years (yes, I started early after being appallingly ill with the real thing a couple of times).
anthonyTD
11-08-2020, 14:22
Its quite common lately for folk to bring up the Small pox vaccine victory, but look a bit deeper and there is more evidence to prove that the desease was already on the way out before the Vaccine, so from what i have read, and the experts i have listened to, there really isnt much hard evidence that the vaccine alone was actualy responsible for its demise!
Smallpox eradicated by, guess what?
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 14:25
I stopped using my local pub because their bitter was too effective at cleansing my system :eek:
On a, slightly, more serious note my mum was given bottles of milk stout to build her up after giving birth.
lol, I meant 'bitters' which is what the mixture is know as, not bitter :) It's about balance, which is vital and beneficail to the body and health. Bitters is the cleansing of the system aspect. We know what just sweet/too much sweet does to the body, hence the body/system needs the other side, for proper good health and well-being http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/cleansing-the-body_19228579
i can live indoors for most part as long as i have to.. ive managed 5 months
"Managed" though, is just another word for 'coped'... Is that a LIFE mate, or simply an existence? You deserve more!
I understand and accept the restrictions placed upon you by your health issues, but most of us who are still healthy insist on LIVING, not merely existing, and the only way to do that, is staying in control of your life as much as possible, and therefore in charge of what affects it, rather than being a glorified slave (directly or indirectly) to the system and the 'powers that be'.
Marco.
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 14:31
I stopped using my local pub because their bitter was too effective at cleansing my system :eek:
On a, slightly, more serious note my mum was given bottles of milk stout to build her up after giving birth.
Sounds like a 'regular' problem ..... ;) :D
Absolutely. Everything we need to keep us healthy is already here on the planet. God provided and gave man that knowledge.
How can you just eat and eat, pollute the system and never cleanse it ?? makes no sense. The build up poisons and all manner of toxins is not good for the system at all, hence it becomes diseased, sometimes leading to cancers, blood pressure, sugar diabetes and so on.
At least know the health benefits of the simple things available to you, Water, garlic, turmeric, onions, beetroot, ginger, fruits-vit C, Vit K2, D3, Green tea and other herbal drinks. Lemon, green leaf, super herbs like Spirulina and chlorella, and ALL berries, which have amazing health benefit.
Boosting your immune system is key ! and by doing so you are gaining far more good benefit to your general, overall health than any flu jab inoculation behavior
We need to be smart and educate our selves, high blood pressure aint no joke either. Cut down on the sugar, salt, drink lots of water at least, learn about the good things for the body and what to avoid, ie: fatty diet, artificial sweeteners which are basically carcinogenic but our so called great sugar free alternatives are loaded with them, same the colours (chemicals) in our foods.
Be smart and informed, then act on it for our own good. Trust no one but your own knowledge and wisdom. The more you know and learn, the harder and less likely that you will be just going along with things, willy nilly, to your detriment.
Amen to that, bro - especially the bits in bold!! Forever remain as a FREE THINKER/FREE MAN - never become a robot programmed to serve the system or those who control it!
Marco.
sweetheart stout was often prescribed for low iron, often to new mums.
As an aside, although related to the discussion, one of the best side effect-free painkillers (if consumed in moderation) known to man, is cannabis! So do you ever think it'll be made legal, despite it having been talked about for years?;)
No fucking chance!
Marco.
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 15:00
As an aside, although related to the discussion, one of the best side effect-free painkillers (if consumed in moderation) known to man, is cannabis! So do you ever think it'll be made legal, despite it having been talked about for years?;)
No fucking chance!
Marco.
True Marco, marijuana has many benefits, but nothing smoked will be good for you in the long run. Things become toxic when burned, plus the tar and your lungs etc https://www.healtheuropa.eu/health-benefits-of-cannabis/92499/
I remember my Mum telling me many years ago. She was in Jamaica on a visit and she was feeling pretty rough.
Her brother in law I think it was, went off and boiled some 'herb/weed/ganja/cannabis/marijuana :D concoction for her to drink.
She told me she slept like a baby that evening and when she woke up in the morning she had never felt better, fresh, alive and full of revived energy she said, which was an experience and memory that has stayed with her.
By the way, they'll only make it legal once/if they have a big stake in it in terms of money made, you know that :rolleyes:
Sure, but it doesn't have to be smoked; it could be taken in tablet form. Plus, I'm not advocating that it should be used all the time, in a recreational sense, as too much of *anything* is bad for you; simply that it could be consumed solely for pain relief, as an alternative to paracetamol.
Marco.
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 15:10
Sure, but it doesn't have to be smoked; it could be taken in tablet form. Plus, I'm not advocating that it should be used the time, in a recreational sense, as too much of *anything* is bad for you; simply that it'd taken solely for pain relief, as an alternative to paracetamol.
Marco.
No, I know you're not advocating the smoking of it and I agree totally, tablet or powder form, once all relevant research conducted.
True Marco, marijuana has many benefits, but nothing smoked will be good for you in the long run. Things become toxic when burned, plus the tar and your lungs etc https://www.healtheuropa.eu/health-benefits-of-cannabis/92499/
I remember my Mum telling me many years ago. She was in Jamaica on a visit and she was feeling pretty rough.
Her brother in law I think it was, went off and boiled some 'herb/weed/ganja/cannabis/marijuana :D concoction for her to drink.
She told me she slept like a baby that evening and when she woke up in the morning she had never felt better, fresh, alive and full of revived energy she said, which was an experience and memory that has stayed with her.
By the way, they'll only make it legal once/if they have a big stake in it in terms of money made, you know that:rolleyes:
Indeed, which is why we [the people] need to start taking more control of the world we live in, instead of simply being compliant sheep for the system!
Nice story, btw, and one I can wholly relate to:eyebrows: :peace:
Marco.
anthonyTD
11-08-2020, 15:18
Excelent post Rob, common sense prevails! :)
Absolutely. Everything we need to keep us healthy is already here on the planet. God provided and gave man that knowledge.
BUT, it doesnt suit certain types to go down that road and educate us that way, as you've pointed out Marco and for many other reasons too.
If you speak to any of the elder Caribbeans in particular, my Mum included, they will tell how when they were young, no matter what ailment you had, stomach, headache, cut, wound etc there mums/grand parents would know the exact item/bush/herb/ leaf use or boil, prepare and give you.
My mum remembers her and her sister being given regular bitters for cleansing of the system and blood.
Who even still knows that stuf now, let alone in the west, the knowledge has been almost lost. Thankfully some of us still know it and cleanse, detox the system and utilise the good and beneficial herbs and spices available to us all.
How can you just eat and eat, pollute the system and never cleanse it ?? makes no sense. The build up poisons and all manner of toxins is not good for the system at all, hence it becomes diseased, sometimes leading to cancers, blood pressure, sugar diabetes and so on.
At least know the health benefits of the simple things available to you, Water, garlic, turmeric, onions, beetroot, ginger, fruits-vit C, Vit K2, D3, Green tea and other herbal drinks. Lemon, green leaf, super herbs like Spirulina and chlorella, and ALL berries, which have amazing health benefit.
Boosting your immune system is key ! and by doing so you are gaining far more good benefit to your general, overall health than any flu jab inoculation behavior
We need to be smart and educate our selves, high blood pressure aint no joke either. Cut down on the sugar, salt, drink lots of water at least, learn about the good things for the body and what to avoid, ie: fatty diet, artificial sweeteners which are basically carcinogenic but our so called great sugar free alternatives are loaded with them, same the colours (chemicals) in our foods.
Be smart and informed, then act on it for our own good. Trust no one but your own knowledge and wisdom. The more you know and learn, the harder and less likely that you will be just going along with things, willy nilly, to your detriment.
BTW - not trying to diss anyone's medication or be doctor. This is just a way to help and share n terms of general health being and maintenance :)
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 15:25
Indeed, which is why we [the people] need to start taking more control of the world we live in, instead of simply being compliant sheep for the system!
Nice story, btw, and one I can wholly relate to:eyebrows: :peace:
Marco.
:D Let's just say da legend that is Robert Nesta Marley and I had a lot in common back in the day..... :eyebrows: ;)
I take Water, which i distill myself and add minerals and salts etc... huge improvement in my inner health. also Vit K2, D3 for immune system, lots of raspberries which are great for many things. I also take loads of prescribed medications, without which i wouldnt be typing this. oh yes a liberal amount of the water of life too:eyebrows:
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 15:32
I take Water, which i distill myself and add minerals and salts etc... huge improvement in my inner health. also Vit K2, D3 for immune system, lots of raspberries which are great for many things. I also take loads of prescribed medications, without which i wouldnt be typing this. oh yes a liberal amount of the water of life too:eyebrows:
:D nice one Grant :)
anthonyTD
11-08-2020, 15:32
:eek::D
oh yes a liberal amount of the water of life too:eyebrows:
:eek::D
irish monks gave it the monika uisce beatha which means water of life, from the latin i think..aqua vitae.
RobbieGong
11-08-2020, 16:33
Marco's crew not 'avin it https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/08/11/people-in-wales-least-likely-to-wear-face-coverings-according-t/ :D
Sounds like a 'regular' problem ..... ;) :D
It was strange, but every morning after a few beers I had an "upset stomach".
I thought that as I am getting older, perhaps I had developed a gluten intolerance or something similar. So I stopped drinking beer for a while only to discover that when I cycled over to a nearby village and had a couple of pints there was no problem. Went back to my local pub and problem started again, even tried their lager and it affected me.
Only when I talked about it with a couple of regulars did I find out that they all had the same experience (dirty lines, so draught and keg were all affected) but put up with it :doh:
I haven't been back to my village pub for a year or more now :cool:
i take a mixed view between wales(mostly agree) and rest of uk(sometimes right) wales are currently doing well along with n ireland. we in sotland were doing well until pubs opened and the brain dead started mingling in boozers.
but i cant go out now as i cannot wear masks for any length of time. as much as im exempt, up here most shops dont give a shit and refuse u entry to cover their arses.
I brought this up with nicola and she sent me a deefie.. so she can fcuk off at next election.. wont be getting my support and i will no longer have anything to do with snp... ignorant twats
"deefie"?
ignored:eyebrows:
Ah, cheers. I thought it might be (as in turning your deaf ear to something?)
Marco's crew not 'avin it https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/08/11/people-in-wales-least-likely-to-wear-face-coverings-according-t/ :D
Yup, not only land of our fathers, but land of the free-thinkers!;)
Wales is the only country in Britain where face coverings are not required to be worn in shops...
:ner: :D
Marco [no fooking mask will EVER be gracing his fizzog].
i cant go out now as i cannot wear masks for any length of time. as much as im exempt, up here most shops dont give a shit and refuse u entry to cover their arses.
The FACT is, LEGALLY you're exempt, so just tell them to fuck off, and go and read the rules! Then breenge in regardless... I simply wouldn't put up with suck fuckwits.
Marco.
The FACT is, LEGALLY you're exempt, so just tell them to fuck off, and go and read the rules! Then breenge in regardless... I simply don't put up with suck fuckwits.
Marco.
They're not liable for it in any case, unless the law is different for Scotland. Plus it's been stated a few times that shopkeepers and shop staff are not expected to act as enforcement agents.
It's different here to England and is in law. They are like security guards up here. Fascist state becoming.. Nicola's erse will be out windae soon trust me.. [emoji23]
Yes, but they're NOT following the rules, or obeying the law, that's the point. So they can TRY to be as fascist as they like, Just ignore the fuckers, and TELL them, in no uncertain terms, that you are ALLOWED not to wear a mask. END OF.
Good job it's not me, or I'd just boot them in the baws!
Marco.
When your in a chair it's difficult to resist someone pushing you. Etc.
Govt should have produced folk cards. And should have told shops the facts but reality is they don't want us in shops period.
As Wales and Sweden heath guys say.. The evidence on madks helping is flimsy
I've never seen anyone in my local shop wearing a mask. I've got one of those gaiter things I just pull that up over my face. Looks like I am going to rob the joint but it qualifies as a mask as per the letter of the law.
A couple of times other customers have looked at me oddly and then you can see in their faces that they suddenly remember 'Oh yeah! Coronavirus!'. And then they just carry on.
walpurgis
11-08-2020, 21:10
A couple of times other customers have looked at me oddly and then you can see in their faces that they suddenly remember 'Oh yeah! Coronavirus!'. And then they just carry on.
When I walk in with a mask on, everybody puts their hands in the air. I just seem to have that effect. :)
southall-1998_mk2
15-08-2020, 22:45
When I walk in with a mask on, everybody puts their hands in the air. I just seem to have that effect. :)
I'm not in the slightest surprised :lol:
S.
It's also to prevent being asphyxiated by his own fart gas!:D
Marco.
I see that the 'mask police' have been out in force: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/08/19/man-knocked-unconscious-at-london-railway-station-amid-row-over/
Fucking idiots!:doh::wanker:
Marco.
RobbieGong
21-08-2020, 09:09
I see that the 'mask police' have been out in force: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/08/19/man-knocked-unconscious-at-london-railway-station-amid-row-over/
Fucking idiots!:doh::wanker:
Marco.
Completely out of order !! :steam:
So you are going to confront every single person you spot who hasnt got a mask on as a result of your own overly exaggerated fears :scratch: :mental:
People genuinely forget sometimes, I know I have, just keep your own distance as you would and leave people alone !!
and you wonder why i dont exersise my right as a disabled asthma suffer not to wear one and hence get attacked ... country has gone to the dogs.. in fact much of the world has.
Completely out of order !! :steam:
So you are going to confront every single person you spot who hasnt got a mask on as a result of your own overly exaggerated fears :scratch: :mental:
People genuinely forget sometimes, I know I have, just keep your own distance as you would and leave people alone !!
100% agree. However, it's not just about their own fears; it's primarily about their resentment over you *seemingly* not complying with the rules and 'getting away' with something that they think you shouldn't!:doh:
It's like those fuckers (self-appointed traffic cops) who sit for miles doing 70mph on the fast lane of a motorway, when the two inside lanes could've been used instead, and you're behind them wanting to overtake, who resolutely refuse to SHIFT, no matter how much you flash your lights or blast your horn, so the only course of action is to undertake them, then give them the 'wanker sign'!:steam:
I mean who the fuck do they think they are? It could be an emergency; they've no idea WHY you're in a hurry, but that doesn't stop the fuckers from attempting to FORCE you into doing what THEY think you should be doing instead!
And it's exactly the same with the self-appointed mask police. I'd line all those cunts up against a wall and shoot them. Can't stand that mentality!!
Here's my message to them: MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS AND GET A LIFE, YA SAD FUCKS!
<Rant over>:)
Marco.
mad-moon
22-08-2020, 08:54
and you wonder why i dont exersise my right as a disabled asthma suffer not to wear one and hence get attacked ... country has gone to the dogs.. in fact much of the world has.
I am exempt too...but I wear one when inside a shop or supermarket simply because of friction with other punters. They look at you like you are the devil and whisper whsiper whisper. I just use a small dust mask, one of those DIY things...plenty of air gets in and if it stops a riot, so be it..I'm getting too old for all this shit...
mad-moon
22-08-2020, 08:58
100% agree. However, it's not just about their own fears; it's primarily about their resentment over you *seemingly* not complying with the rules and 'getting away' with something that they think you shouldn't!:doh:
It's like those fuckers (self-appointed traffic cops) who sit for miles doing 70mph on the fast lane of a motorway, when the two inside lanes could've been used instead, and you're behind them wanting to overtake, who resolutely refuse to SHIFT, no matter how much you flash your lights or blast your horn, so the only course of action is to undertake them, then give them the 'wanker sign'!:steam:
I mean who the fuck do they think they are? It could be an emergency; they've no idea WHY you're in a hurry, but that doesn't stop the fuckers from attempting to FORCE you into doing what THEY think you should be doing instead!
And it's exactly the same with the self-appointed mask police. I'd line all those cunts up against a wall and shoot them. Can't stand that mentality!!
Here's my message to them: MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS AND GET A LIFE, YA SAD FUCKS!
<Rant over>:)
Marco.
Don't beat about the bush Marco..Just say what you mean...;)
I am exempt too...but I wear one when inside a shop or supermarket simply because of friction with other punters. They look at you like you are the devil and whisper whsiper whisper. I just use a small dust mask, one of those DIY things...plenty of air gets in and if it stops a riot, so be it..I'm getting too old for all this shit...
:D:eyebrows:
And the fact that no-one 'official' has spotted that, and pulled you up for it, ably confirms that this 'face covering' shite is far more about compliance than safety!!:doh:
Marco [Non-compliant and proud].
Don't beat about the bush Marco..Just say what you mean...;)
Lol - I can have a 'certain way' with words!:)
Fucks me off though, that type of behaviour. Plus, I have an extremely low-tolerance threshold for interfering nosy BASTARDS,
Keep yer big beaks to yerselves!
Marco.
mad-moon
22-08-2020, 10:11
:D:eyebrows:
And the fact that no-one 'official' has spotted that, and pulled you up for it, ably confirms that this 'face covering' shite is far more about compliance than safety!!:doh:
Marco [Non-compliant and proud].
yeah precisely, Masks don't help really..unless it's an air fed mask totally sealing your head from outside interference...everything goes straight through the masks in use anyway..I suppose a little bit of defence, if someone coughs directly beside you, but the airbourne droplets are that microscopic, they just get sucked straight through the masks..
mad-moon
22-08-2020, 10:14
Lol - I can have a 'certain way' with words!:)
Fucks me off though, that type of behaviour. Plus, I have an extremely low-tolerance threshold for interfering nosy BASTARDS,
Keep yer big beaks to yerselves!
Marco.
This will never stop...infact, it's going to get worse, all the nosey parkers. What beats me is, every shop you go into, none of the staff are wearing masks, how does this work then??
yeah precisely, Masks don't help really..unless it's an air fed mask totally sealing your head from outside interference...everything goes straight through the masks in use anyway..I suppose a little bit of defence, if someone coughs directly beside you, but the airbourne droplets are that microscopic, they just get sucked straight through the masks..
It's the other way around I think, the mask will restrict how far the droplets spread. So if someone is right next to you it will make no difference but if they are at a distance then it will reduce the chance of droplets reaching you.
The legal requirement is for a face covering, not a mask, so anything will do whether it is in any way effective or not. I use one of these gaiters https://www.military1st.co.uk/k14012-03-pentagon-fleece-neck-gaiter-coyote.html
Just wear it round the neck, pull it up over the nose when you enter the shop. Washable, serves other purposes and you don't look like a complete dick walking about in a surgical type mask.
It's the other way around I think, the mask will restrict how far the droplets spread. So if someone is right next to you it will make no difference but if they are at a distance then it will reduce the chance of droplets reaching you.
The legal requirement is for a face covering, not a mask, so anything will do whether it is in any way effective or not. I use one of these gaiters https://www.military1st.co.uk/k14012-03-pentagon-fleece-neck-gaiter-coyote.html
Just wear it round the neck, pull it up over the nose when you enter the shop. Washable, serves other purposes and you don't look like a complete dick walking about in a surgical type mask.
yeah start walking about with your dick out, but it is covered with a mask:eyebrows: coverings reduce velocity and amount but dont stop it.
This will never stop...infact, it's going to get worse, all the nosey parkers. What beats me is, every shop you go into, none of the staff are wearing masks, how does this work then??
When I've been in England, I've noticed staff in shops, bars and restaurants wearing face coverings, but thankfully here in Wales there is no such mandatory requirement, as the Welsh minister is a) a logical and eminently sensible chap, and b) guided by more clued-up scientific advisers!;)
Marco.
The idea is that a face covering help prevent others from infection by asymptomatic carriers. That is the covering helps others from infection from you; and so by reciprocation if others are wearing a face covering, they are helping to prevent you becoming infected by them.
It may only be palliative but it helps to improve confidence.
When I've been in England, I've noticed staff in shops, bars and restaurants wearing face coverings, but thankfully here in Wales there is no such mandatory requirement, as the Welsh minister is a) a logical and eminently sensible chap, and b) guided by more clued-up scientific advisers!;)
Marco.
There's no requirement in England for shop staff to wear masks, only for customers.
I've seen people alone in cars, driving along, wearing a mask. What's that all about? Or walking on their own down an empty street with a mask on. Very strange.
There's no requirement in England for shop staff to wear masks, only for customers.
I've seen people alone in cars, driving along, wearing a mask. What's that all about? Or walking on their own down an empty street with a mask on. Very strange.
ha i did that yesterday. had dropped off my neighbour and had a mask on.. wasnt taking any risks.. i managed for a short while as i wasnt stressed and wasnt doing anything physical
The idea is that a face covering help prevent others from infection by asymptomatic carriers. That is the covering helps others from infection from you; and so by reciprocation if others are wearing a face covering, they are helping to prevent you becoming infected by them.
It may only be palliative but it helps to improve confidence.
According to the studies I've read a proper mask, fitted correctly will decrease risk by about three percent. The things you see most people wearing will do nothing. Like putting a sieve on your head to keep the rain off. As you say it's all about increasing confidence and getting that herd immunity going.
ha i did that yesterday. had dropped off my neighbour and had a mask on.. wasnt taking any risks.. i managed for a short while as i wasnt stressed and wasnt doing anything physical
If the neighbours in the car with you then it may help slightly, and a little more if he wears one too. But alone in the car there is zero risk.
There's no requirement in England for shop staff to wear masks, only for customers.
Doesn't stop most of them doing it though, out of some largely misguided notion that it will give customers more confidence to patronise their premises! :doh:
Yeah maybe if you're old and vulnerable, but having been out and about recently, dining and drinking in pubs and restaurants, I can tell you that the vast majority of people under 60 don't give a shit - and quite rightly - are just getting on with their lives!
I've seen people alone in cars, driving along, wearing a mask. What's that all about? Or walking on their own down an empty street with a mask on. Very strange.
I know... Idiots. Those are the sort of sheeple that the government just love, so they can be very easily brainwashed and controlled, ultimately to the detriment of everyone else!:rolleyes:
Marco.
Doesn't stop most of them doing it though, out of some misguided concept that it will give customers more confidence to patronise their premises! :doh:
Yeah maybe if you're old and vulnerable, but having been out and about recently, dining and drinking in pubs and restaurants, I can tell you that the vast majority of people under 60 don't give a shit - and quite rightly - are just getting on with their lives!
.
Been like that round here for months. Seen a few oldies walking about with their masks on, and a few youngsters who are pretty obviously foreign students. But as you say the indigenous personnel under 50 are not in the slightest bit bothered.
Does make me wonder about the contagion factor. If it really was as contagious as they reckon pretty much everyone round here would have it by now as hardly anyone takes any precautions at all, whereas tested cases are less than 1% of the population.
There are some people who if they were ordered to jump of a cliff would just go and do it - check out the Milgram Experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment but I think they are a tiny minority in this country. Most British people are not keen on being given orders much less obeying them, whether they make sense or not.
Been like that round here for months. Seen a few oldies walking about with their masks on, and a few youngsters who are pretty obviously foreign students. But as you say the indigenous personnel under 50 are not in the slightest bit bothered.
Exactly the same here, mate! Pretty much everything we're interested in has been back to (near) normal now for months... No idea really why now any fit and healthy person would be 'scared' of going about his or her business as normal, as the local situation allows, especially if you're living in an area well away from any spikes.
Does make me wonder about the contagion factor. If it really was as contagious as they reckon pretty much everyone round here would have it by now as hardly anyone takes any precautions at all, whereas tested cases are less than 1% of the population.
I've been saying that for months. It's largely been blown all out of proportion, for rather dubious and questionable reasons! This virus *is*, albeit slowly, on its WAY OUT of the UK, and so I confidently predict that this time next year, it'll be a case of 'Covid what?', which of course makes the mania in some quarters for supplying an 'urgent vaccine', questionable to say the least...
Even if there is a 'second wave', we've learned so much now with the first one, how better to deal with it if/when it comes, there will be nowhere near the deaths and overall panic there was before, as the whole situation would be much better managed from the ground up. Therefore, the reality is we just have to continue taking sensible precautions and learn to live with this virus, the same as any other, until it naturally peters out and/or becomes much less of a grossly unwanted pest in our lives!
What we've got to do though, is not allow the authorities (and worse, the media) to continue exaggerating the severity of the situation, simply to create sensationalistic news and/or enforce unjustified controls and restrictions upon our freedoms, which could only ever be justified if things got MASSIVELY worse, and I simply don't see that happening, if we continue doing the right things to manage and control the spread of the virus.
There are some people who if they were ordered to jump of a cliff would just go and do it - check out the Milgram Experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment but I think they are a tiny minority in this country. Most British people are not keen on being given orders much less obeying them, whether they make sense or not.
Yeah, I know... You wonder why God bothered giving the twats a brain!:doh:
I also agree about the stubborn bloodymindedness of most British people, which in some ways is not the best thing, but in others, in terms of repelling over-zealous authoritarianism, can prove rather fruitful!;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
23-08-2020, 08:27
Last Saturday Anita's youngest son, 25, (who doesn't live with us) came visiting, stayed overnight, used our trimmers for his hair and beard, and the next day we drove him 20 miles back to his flat. Twice, because upon arriving at his address he discovered he'd left his keys at our house. Moron.
Monday evening he called us to say that during a hospital visit over some such bollocks he was tested and found to be positive. He provided names of his flat mates and others he had been in contact with. But did not mention us. Just as well - if I'd been forced to self-isolate for 2 weeks I would have battered him into next week. Anyway, Anita goes online and books tests for us and her other son who lives with us.
So Tuesday morning at opening time (8am) there we are getting tested. And by 7pm we all had our results. All negative :carrot: That was a quick turnaround. But it did make me wonder about the contagiousness of this, what with sharing our car for nearly two hours, me using our clippers shortly after he did his covid-beard with them, and his mum getting a goodbye kiss. It's a mystery!
As I've said all along, the tests aren't accurate enough and create lots of false positives, and also some false negatives! Here in the UK, the virus is at the stage now when it needs to be treated in the same way as flu, without the 'hysteria circus' that continues to surround it for no longer any logical or justified reason.
Marco.
I read that the tests can give up to 30% false positive results. Not seen any proper figures to back that up but if true it means a lot less people have died from it than has been claimed.
It could be that a lot more people have natural immunity than has been thought.
The problem is they just don't know enough about it yet. So erring on the safe side with regards to precautions still does make sense. There's no doubt that a handful of young and healthy people have died from it after contracting a large dose. That doesn't happen with 'flu.
No I know. I'm not saying that this virus isn't *potentially* deadlier than flu (there are simply too many unknown variables though to form any concrete conclusions in that respect), simply that, at the stage things are at now, certainly in our country, and given what we've learned to date (which is quite a lot actually), it doesn't deserve the incessant 'fear circus' that surrounds it, mostly perpetrated by the media.
I also agree with your point about the flaky reliability of tests, and likely how that's impacted on the death rate figures, which kind of backs up what I'm saying.
Marco.
It's a mystery!
One logical conclusion is that Anita's son's 'positive' result was false.
Marco.
The logical conclusion is that Anita's son's 'positive' result was false.
Marco.
Or that he had it but was no longer contagious when he came to visit.
Pierre De Grenoble
23-08-2020, 10:33
The logical conclusion is that Anita's son's 'positive' result was false.
Marco.
or that there hasn't been enough time for Steve & Family to incubate Covid. I'd suggest another test after 5-7 days
:confused:
Pigmy Pony
23-08-2020, 10:41
or that there hasn't been enough time for Steve & Family to incubate Covid. I'd suggest another test after 5-7 days
:confused:
This theory makes sense, but i prefer to go with Macca's idea, as the test was a shitty and inconvenient experience. Me and Mrs. P are planning a nice break on Loch Fyne next week, so getting another test would be the right thing to do. Just in case I bump into Nicola and feel the need to give her a big kiss :)
All such theories are plausible, but in reality the whole thing is a ball-ache and waste of time, as there is no guarantee of a definitive result, one way or another, which is why I swerved the notion when mobile testing came to Wrexham.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
23-08-2020, 15:05
The potential inaccuracy of these tests isn't something I ever considered, I'd assumed they were reliable. Does any data exist regarding the failure rate with these tests? I'd be interested to know.
The potential inaccuracy of these tests isn't something I ever considered, I'd assumed they were reliable.
Indeed... And so did most of the general public, which is the big problem, as is the government not being properly challenged on it, or the accuracy of the figures that they've been responsible for generating!:doh:
In terms of 'assumptions', were you ever taught this phrase in school: https://www.ihasco.co.uk/blog/entry/1857/never-assume-it-makes-an-ass-out-of-u-and-me
Plus the notion of "unconscious bias" discussed in the article is also rather interesting, not only in terms of its relevance here, but in many other discussions. And the worst 'assumption' here, of course, is blindly trusting the authorities to get things right!!
So never be an 'ass'...;)
Marco.
The potential inaccuracy of these tests isn't something I ever considered, I'd assumed they were reliable. Does any data exist regarding the failure rate with these tests? I'd be interested to know.
Experts generally agree that any variability in PCR results is most often attributed to human error, not the tests. “The confusion over the PCR tests has been because of sample collection,” Schacker said. “You get into some goofy stuff if you’re doing a nasopharyngeal swab and you don’t collect it correctly. There may not be virus there when the person might actually be infected or if you use the wrong kind of swab, you can screw up the result.” False negatives can arise when swabs don’t go deep enough or collect enough material or a test is taken too soon or too late. The first nasal swab Gilmore was given was administered by a health-care provider who swabbed for only a few seconds and the second by a doctor who counted to ten out loud. Researchers don’t yet know the degree to which human error may be whittling down accuracy, but at least one early study suggested PCR accuracy may range from 66 percent to 88 percent in the real world.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/how-accurate-are-covid-19-tests.html
Sure, but whichever way you cut it [whatever the *actual* cause of error is], if the data [however it has been calculated] isn't accurate, then the figures produced from it cannot be reliable, and if they're not reliable, then none of us really knows what's happening, in terms of how contagious the virus is!
That's the point.
Marco.
Sure, but whichever way you cut it [whatever the *actual* cause of error is], if the data [however it has been calculated] isn't accurate, then the figures produced from it aren't reliable, and if they aren't reliable than none of us really knows what's happening, in terms of how contagious the virus is!
That's the point.
Marco.
And the point is well made.
Lol - muchas grassyarse!:D
Marco.
Don't know what, mate?:)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
23-08-2020, 19:05
Indeed... And so did most of the general public, which is the big problem, as is the government not being properly challenged on it, or the accuracy of the figures that they've been responsible for generating!:doh:
In terms of 'assumptions', were you ever taught this phrase in school: https://www.ihasco.co.uk/blog/entry/1857/never-assume-it-makes-an-ass-out-of-u-and-me
Plus the notion of "unconscious bias" discussed in the article is also rather interesting, not only in terms of its relevance here, but in many other discussions. And the worst 'assumption' here, of course, is blindly trusting the authorities to get things right!!
So never be an 'ass'...;)
Marco.
Yes I see what you mean. I'd assumed that the young lady performing the swabs, with her NHS badges and 'professional' demeanour actually worked for the NHS at some level, and that she actually believed in the validity of what she was doing. Thinking back I suppose it could have been any one of the cabinet members in a frock. "she" had dark hair and a nice tan, so probably not Boris.
I assume that you will never go to be tested due to your expectation bias, and that's ok, we all make assumptions :D
What this virus will do mate.
Lots of presumption and mismanagement from our Government.
Personal responsibility is the way forward I think, keep your sensible head on.
Hopefully it’s nothing too scary.
This is a new thing...who knows what it will end up to be.
I'd assumed that the young lady performing the swabs, with her NHS badges and 'professional' demeanour actually worked for the NHS at some level, and that she actually believed in the validity of what she was doing. Thinking back I suppose it could have been any one of the cabinet members in a frock. "she" had dark hair and a nice tan, so probably not Boris.
I assume that you will never go to be tested due to your expectation bias, and that's ok, we all make assumptions :D
:lolsign:
So can I assume you'd have pumped her?:lol:
[That is if she'd missed her monthly appointment at Specsavers].
Marco.
Beobloke
24-08-2020, 08:30
One logical conclusion is that Anita's son's 'positive' result was false.
Marco.
Or the other tests were false negatives. I know of two people who are frontline NHS workers who blatantly had Covid, yet both their NHS internal hospital tests came back negative.
Yes I did say that can also happen, which is why the whole thing is largely bollox, in terms of being much real help!
Marco.
Beobloke
24-08-2020, 09:35
Yes I did say that can also happen, which is why the whole thing is largely bollox, in terms of being much real help!
Marco.
I agree. But then why wouldn’t you want to take basic precautions to try and limit the spread of the disease, just in case?
If wearing a mask helps save one life, then that’s a good thing, surely?
You could say that about a million things we do or don't do though. For example if we all stopped driving cars that would save around 3000 lives in the UK each year, and a staggering 821 a day in India.
It's not a logical argument IMO.
wearing seatbelts, drink driving laws, cars fit for purpose.. all sensible or over reaction?
Drink driving yes, seatbelts should be up to the individual. You can still buy cars that are pretty unsafe.
walpurgis
24-08-2020, 10:01
[QUOTE=Macca;1216191seatbelts should be up to the individual[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not. I've seen the results of not wearing seat belts.
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