Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[Pigmy Pony]

Lol - still don't get the relevance of that (rather obscure video) to the discussion about Ullman...? Not to worry, and anyway I thought you'd learned how to embed YT videos?:ner:;)

Marco.

That's because you're not trying hard enough, and also because you got up too early - easier to follow that than it is to embed YT videos on this crappy laptop. It let me do it once then no more :(

Anyway don't worry your pretty little head, the Kinnock thing wasn't funny anyway :doh:

[Filterlab]

Ahhh, I see the police don’t have to follow the same rules as the rest of us when it comes to social contact.

A couple of days ago they fined two women for walking in the countryside with a cup of coffee, but apparently the police are allowed to have a get together in a café (which should be shut).

More disgusting police behaviour. Typical these days sadly.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/10/met-police-spotted-breaking-lockdown-rules-with-group-breakfast-inside-cafe-13879479/

[Pigmy Pony]

Be interesting to see how this story progresses.

[struth]

im sure the pr dept are working on an excuse;)

[Filterlab]

Or licking Matt Hancock’s butt until he agrees with it.

[guy]

Not right for the police to be ignoring the rules/guidlines (not sure what to call them at the moment :scratch:) BUT, there is something about those two women meeting for a walk which is making my "bullshit radar" twitch, although I can't quite put a good reason to it.
They both seem to be enjoying posing for photo's a little too much?

The officer telling them that their coffee was a "picnic" could either be: The copper involved was an arrogant arsehole (quite possible in my experience) or they had been arrogant arseholes and the officer was trying to make life awkward for them.

There seems to be some sort of effort to video "evidence" of police overstepping the mark at the moment, along with videoing empty hospitals to prove that there is no virus problem (this happened in Colchester).
This link alleges that anti lockdown protesters are trying to engineer "showdowns"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-55609185

I suppose it gives bored people something to do during lockdown:hmm:

[struth]

yup seems someone just happened to be there videoing it... but 3 police vehicles was a farcical waste of police time when actual crimes rarely get one;)

[guy]

true enough:)

[Filterlab]

...3 police vehicles was a farcical waste of police time when actual crimes rarely get one;)

Easy hook for them - like hiding in a hedge with a camera. Easy work that guarantees results. Perfect for a lazy copper.

[Mikeandvan]

Not right for the police to be ignoring the rules/guidlines (not sure what to call them at the moment :scratch:) BUT, there is something about those two women meeting for a walk which is making my "bullshit radar" twitch, although I can't quite put a good reason to it.
They both seem to be enjoying posing for photo's a little too much?

The officer telling them that their coffee was a "picnic" could either be: The copper involved was an arrogant arsehole (quite possible in my experience) or they had been arrogant arseholes and the officer was trying to make life awkward for them.

There seems to be some sort of effort to video "evidence" of police overstepping the mark at the moment, along with videoing empty hospitals to prove that there is no virus problem (this happened in Colchester).
This link alleges that anti lockdown protesters are trying to engineer "showdowns"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-55609185

I suppose it gives bored people something to do during lockdown:hmm:

Doesn't alter the fact the police are still arresting people for sitting on a bench.

[Filterlab]

And frankly, police grouping around an individual sitting on a bench is more of a risk COVID-wise than just leaving people be. Silly waste of time and resources, for nothing other than a diminishing respect from the public.

[Macca]

It's January, it's literally freezing cold outside and yet someone wants to go to a park and sit there on a bench.

There's absolutely no sense to that.

I think this is like with reverse psychology on children; they would never even consider doing something but then as soon as you tell them they're not allowed to do it they're straight there.

[mad-moon]

Ahhh, I see the police don’t have to follow the same rules as the rest of us when it comes to social contact.

A couple of days ago they fined two women for walking in the countryside with a cup of coffee, but apparently the police are allowed to have a get together in a café (which should be shut).

More disgusting police behaviour. Typical these days sadly.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/10/met-police-spotted-breaking-lockdown-rules-with-group-breakfast-inside-cafe-13879479/

But the 2 women in question got into a car and drove 7 miles to have that walk, when guidance is not to leave your local area. I think the fines should stand..The police in the cafe are all idiots and should be leading by example..dangerous and totally irresponsible..

[Filterlab]

I read 5 miles. That’s local though and if the place has less people around then all the better.

[mad-moon]

The Mail on line probably added a couple of miles on for effect...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9128959/Police-fined-two-women-200-meeting-country-walk-slammed-ex-chief-constable.html

they made me giggle....saying they drove 7 miles for a socially distanced walk...hahahaha...I guess it must be a special car, that has a social distancing app....

[struth]

The Mail on line probably added a couple of miles on for effect...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9128959/Police-fined-two-women-200-meeting-country-walk-slammed-ex-chief-constable.html

they made me giggle....saying they drove 7 miles for a socially distanced walk...hahahaha...I guess it must be a special car, that has a social distancing app....

they went in seperate cars. yes apparently 5/6 miles away apparently.. 3 police cars swooped to cut off their escape (must have beem watching too much Yankee tv)... several police surrounding them... 2 cups of coffee are a picnic? just bloody ignorant quite frankly. im all for the police stopping blatant abuse of law but that was abuse of powers and of common sense

[mad-moon]

they went in seperate cars. yes apparently 5/6 miles away apparently.. 3 police cars swooped to cut off their escape (must have beem watching too much Yankee tv)... several police surrounding them... 2 cups of coffee are a picnic? just bloody ignorant quite frankly. im all for the police stopping blatant abuse of law but that was abuse of powers and of common sense

Oh it gets better....they were in separate cars too...a fact the Mail hasn't disclosed, so it looks like they've both met at a halfway point to go for a walk so neither of them had to drive 14 miles, now I'm getting more facts, perhaps I was harsh saying the fines should stand...I have to relent and recant my previous statement :lol:

[Filterlab]

Yep, when one learns all the facts the absurdity of it all gets out of control. :lol:

[Mikeandvan]

It's January, it's literally freezing cold outside and yet someone wants to go to a park and sit there on a bench.

There's absolutely no sense to that.

I think this is like with reverse psychology on children; they would never even consider doing something but then as soon as you tell them they're not allowed to do it they're straight there.

There's nothing else to do! Everywhere is closed, people don't want to spend all day at home, down here in Brighton you see people all along the seafront doing exactly that, remember this lockdown has been with us for the best part of a year, really gonna impact peoples physical and mental health by staying indoors that long.

[Macca]

Can't say it's bothered me any.

You can go for a walk, all they're saying is just don't sit down and hang about. If it was warm and sunny I could see why some would be tempted to. But it isn't.

this lockdown only started a week ago and already people are so desperate they have to go out and sit on a bench. In the freezing cold. I'll bet almost all of them have never done that in their lives before now.

[Gazjam]

THIS.

Been mega pissed off with entitled Folks recently, and that sums it up 100%.



It's January, it's literally freezing cold outside and yet someone wants to go to a park and sit there on a bench.

There's absolutely no sense to that.

I think this is like with reverse psychology on children; they would never even consider doing something but then as soon as you tell them they're not allowed to do it they're straight there.

[Macca]

World War 2 - You've got martial law, rationing , blackout, curfew and the Nazis bombing you every night. And that went on for 5 years!

And now you've got these people, all they've been asked to do is stay in their houses (with their internet, TV, music, radio, video games and god knows what else to occupy them) as much as is practical and it's 'Ooh my mental health!'

I mean how would they have managed in the Blitz? It's pathetic, really.

[Filterlab]

7 miles from home is ok now apparently - Boris Johnson has confirmed it. :lol:

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/11/boris-spotted-cycling-more-than-7-miles-away-from-downing-street-13884857/

[struth]

World War 2 - You've got martial law, rationing , blackout, curfew and the Nazis bombing you every night. And that went on for 5 years!

And now you've got these people, all they've been asked to do is stay in their houses (with their internet, TV, music, radio, video games and god knows what else to occupy them) as much as is practical and it's 'Ooh my mental health!'

I mean how would they have managed in the Blitz? It's pathetic, really.

what has kept me going martin. ive not touched anyone for near 11 months.. but my dad was away at war for 6 bloody years.. never got home in all that time. he left an 18 yr old kid and was 24 when he returned. surely i can do as much

[Mikeandvan]

Can't say it's bothered me any.

You can go for a walk, all they're saying is just don't sit down and hang about. If it was warm and sunny I could see why some would be tempted to. But it isn't.

this lockdown only started a week ago and already people are so desperate they have to go out and sit on a bench. In the freezing cold. I'll bet almost all of them have never done that in their lives before now.

I guess being an audiophile helps! Stay in all day changing carts or something. Personally I need my daily dose of interaction, even if it just means sitting in a cafe, with the rainy weather at the moment, I'm finding things a bit grim. Its also grim that deaths are climbing, things have taken a more serious turn I guess.

[Pigmy Pony]

I guess being an audiophile helps! Stay in all day changing carts or something. Personally I need my daily dose of interaction, even if it just means sitting in a cafe, with the rainy weather at the moment, I'm finding things a bit grim. Its also grim that deaths are climbing, things have taken a more serious turn I guess.

I feel fortunate that my work has me interacting with work colleagues and customers daily. Obviously nothing is without risk, I just have to be vigilant and heed the guidelines. But if things get much worse I may knock it on the head for a while.

I won't be messing with my cartridge anytime soon though, the last thing I need is to f__k something up, with no one able to come round and bail me out :doh:

[walpurgis]

I'm not unhappy seeing nobody apart from the wife (occasionally :)). Under current circumstances, avoiding others makes sense.

[anthonyTD]

:)
I'm not unhappy seeing nobody apart from the wife (occasionally :)). Under current circumstances, avoiding others makes sense.

[Jac Hawk]

Same here, i'm in virtual meetings and need to give virtual demo's of our products too, which enables me to leave the house and travel to our demo centre in Leeds, there's no one there but me, but it's a nice drive.

Regarding the rules i'd draw everyones attention to South Korea, they enforced some pretty harsh measures but the general population adhered to them to the letter and they have Covid well and truly under control, over here during the 1st lockdown i've never seen so many dogs being walked and bikes being ridden, somehow we managed to slow Covid down but i think after the 1st lockdown ended a lot of people had had enough and aren't taking the rules seriously enough anymore, it's good that the government have finally realised that Covid can be transmitted in classrooms which they seemed to ignore for too long in my opinion and hopefully by June which is when about half of the population should be inoculated we will start to get back to how it was in 2019.

Regarding what Grant and Martin have said, i agree whole heartedly, we have hundreds of TV channels, the internet, music and video games to keep us occupied IN our homes, we aren't being bombed and this should be all wrapped up by November, so the moaners need to stop bitching, stick to the rules and be grateful it's not going to drag on for 5 years.

[guy]

7 miles from home is ok now apparently - Boris Johnson has confirmed it. :lol:

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/11/boris-spotted-cycling-more-than-7-miles-away-from-downing-street-13884857/

Ah, but did he cycle there? :scratch:

[struth]

Ah, but did he cycle there? :scratch:

nope he was driven there and then did his cycle. ive no problem with what he did. he is the first minister ffs.

[guy]

I would have been more impressed if he had cycled there - after all, the roads in London must be pretty empty and safe for cyclists during lockdown:lol:

[walpurgis]

I would have been more impressed if he had cycled there - after all, the roads in London must be pretty empty and safe for cyclists during lockdown:lol:

There's as much traffic as ever here.

[Pigmy Pony]

7 miles from home is ok now apparently - Boris Johnson has confirmed it. :lol:

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/11/boris-spotted-cycling-more-than-7-miles-away-from-downing-street-13884857/

The rules need to be clearer - I'm not sure if I'm allowed to go 14 miles on my unicycle

[guy]

Funnily enough, there is quite a bit of traffic going through our village - speeding in order to get to their walk around our local reservoir quicker (never seen so many people out and about at this time of year :))

[Pigmy Pony]

Traffic round Preston Is exactly the same as it would normally be during school holidays, but a bit better without groups of scummy kids walking round looking for mischief.

[struth]

its surprising the amount of interesting open spaces close to many folk to go walks in. daughter has found so many and loves taking dog there. you have to look tho i guess.
got the boy a mobility scooter and he has used it a lot to go around the area with his mate, although lately its been too cold/snowy.
ive got to keep my car going as i need the battery full to get my scooter out of boot.

and this is the issue with govt etc.. no clarity on the fact that disabled folk need their car available... hence they need to run it regularly, especially if they followed govt advice and bought a hybrid.... but in doin the giving the car a quick run the/i am potentially breaking law as govt are F***ing thick and dont factor in the disabled, coz obviously they dont matter...Wankers!!!


sorry, :lol:

[Filterlab]

nope he was driven there and then did his cycle. ive no problem with what he did. he is the first minister ffs.

Nor me. But why is he allowed to be driven somewhere to exercise when others aren’t? And he’s in the most crowded city in the UK - people who’ve been fined have been in the middle of nowhere.

[Macca]

Funnily enough, there is quite a bit of traffic going through our village - speeding in order to get to their walk around our local reservoir quicker (never seen so many people out and about at this time of year :))

been dead quiet here, as quiet as it was during the original lockdown. Although there's no benches, parks, reservoirs, cycle tracks or fancy coffee shops here so nothing to attract them I suppose.

Just shows how practically all the traffic is somehow school-related though.

[Macca]

Nor me. But why is he allowed to be driven somewhere to exercise when others aren’t? And he’s in the most crowded city in the UK - people who’ve been fined have been in the middle of nowhere.

I wondered that too, why can't he just do few laps around Horseguards? It's only about 30 foot from his front door.

Unless it's a security thing, which is probable. They wouldn't let him go to the same place every day, it's asking to be whacked.

[struth]

Nor me. But why is he allowed to be driven somewhere to exercise when others aren’t? And he’s in the most crowded city in the UK - people who’ve been fined have been in the middle of nowhere.

cant have the pm in a security risk position. they take him somewhere safe. come on, its just common sense, i may not like him but i wouldnt see him at risk

[Pigmy Pony]

its surprising the amount of interesting open spaces close to many folk to go walks in. daughter has found so many and loves taking dog there. you have to look tho i guess.
got the boy a mobility scooter and he has used it a lot to go around the area with his mate, although lately its been too cold/snowy.
ive got to keep my car going as i need the battery full to get my scooter out of boot.

and this is the issue with govt etc.. no clarity on the fact that disabled folk need their car available... hence they need to run it regularly, especially if they followed govt advice and bought a hybrid.... but in doin the giving the car a quick run the/i am potentially breaking law as govt are F***ing thick and dont factor in the disabled, coz obviously they dont matter...Wankers!!!


sorry, :lol:

I suppose to a lot of folk it doesn't feel like an outing unless they have to drive there - places of interest always look more interesting when they're somewhere else.

I sympathise over the hybrid car PITA, I guess all you can do is do a couple of trips to the supermarket, even if you aren't going in :(

[mad-moon]

you don't need to leave home to exercise or to get fresh air either..It's all bollocks...stop at home...exercise indoors..or if you want to get fresh air and exercise..go into the garden/yard...and if you haven't got either... open a window.....which part of ..."stay at home" are people finding hard to understand?...what needs clarifying about this statement??..what is confusing about this statement??..We are all going stir crazy..:facepull:life is a bitch just now...how else are we going to get out of this mess....?

[system7]

I was listening to the government briefing tonight.

Priti Patel was like a broken record: "Stay at home, save lives, protect the NHS".

"Follow the rules."

"Stay Local".

All very well, but she tried to duck any serous questions from top journalists.

I can follow the science. Keep socially distanced. Wear a facemask in closed spaces and don't linger in them. Wash your hands and don't touch your face.

But most of "The Rules" are just not understood.

Why can you only go out once a day for a walk in the park? How does that help? And what is this nonsense about carrying a hot drink?

Why can't you jump in the car and go anywhere? You aren't going to infect anyone in your car.

Why didn't the government post everyone a facemask and a leaflet about high risk activity to avoid?

Why didn't the government print posters about shopping rules, instead of shop staff fighting a losing battle with idiots?

Nobody understands these rules. Complete government failure. :(

[Filterlab]

cant have the pm in a security risk position. they take him somewhere safe. come on, its just common sense, i may not like him but i wouldnt see him at risk

And yet it only took moments for him to be noticed, photographed and in the papers disobeying his own rules.

Sorry, but he’s a witless moron, PM or not. His security team are clearly useless too.


Nobody understands these rules. Complete government failure. :(

Exactly this.

[Marco]

Spot on, on all counts, Rob:)

Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest: welcome to the Government's representatives at the Coronavirus briefing!

Marco.

[Filterlab]

Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest: welcome to the Government's representatives at the Coronavirus briefing!


:lol:

Incompetent, Deluded and Incompetent, and Incompetence Personified. Change by deed poll I reckon.

[guy]

I suppose it needs to be put in to context:

Boris gets a seven mile trip to train on his bike
Celtic get a 3660 mile trip to train by the pool in Dubai
I haven't been allowed to go to the pub to play boule for a year :pub::pub:

[Pigmy Pony]

The public seem to be obsessed with knowing exactly what the govt's guidelines will allow. We all know by now what we can do to minimise risk. The "guidelines" should be seen as a bare minimum, not a boundary that needs to be pushed.

And just because we can, doesn't mean we should.

I have faith that the vaccine will be the light at the end of the tunnel, we just got to hang on in there a bit longer :)

[walpurgis]

I suppose dogging is out of the question now.

[Macca]

The public seem to be obsessed with knowing exactly what the govt's guidelines will allow. We all know by now what we can do to minimise risk. The "guidelines" should be seen as a bare minimum, not a boundary that needs to be pushed.



Yes. If you asked a bright child what actions to take to avoid an infectious disease they would be able to tell you without any problem. But some adults need it all spelled out for them? Really?

The PM can't exercise in the same place every day as it would be a security risk. You have to vary his routine. That's not an issue for the rest of us.

[Filterlab]

He could easily exercise locally to Downing Street with his security chaps with him. If he turns left out of Downing Street he could ride to Parliament Square and then up to Trafalgar Square and back past Downing Street a few times. Local. And as we're in a lockdown, there shouldn't be anyone about. Simple.

Or we could just let him out on his own and see what happens, and then get someone in charge who can actually do the job steadfastly. :lol:

[anthonyTD]

This is a very good article, it covers the story/history of how things started, and the theories surounding where it originated, and how the virus has been examined,and the findings etc.
It really is a very interesting read.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

[walpurgis]

Whilst it's good to vaccinate the vulnerable, I keep thinking the nation's return to something resembling 'normal', might be quicker if the groups that mix with others most were vaccinated first.

[Macca]

He could easily exercise locally to Downing Street with his security chaps with him. If he turns left out of Downing Street he could ride to Parliament Square and then up to Trafalgar Square and back past Downing Street a few times. Local. And as we're in a lockdown, there shouldn't be anyone about. Simple.



he could and maybe he has done that previously. But he can't do the same thing every day. If you are an assassination/kidnap target then you are advised to vary your routes and routines on a daily basis. That's security 101. In short, if he want's to go outside and ride his bike for an hour each day then, unlike the rest of us, he has to do it in a different place each day.

[anthonyTD]

Quit agree Geoff,
This is why in Russia, they are vacinating those between 18, and 60, common sense if you want to preserve, and keep your economy going!
Whilst it's good to vaccinate the vulnerable, I keep thinking the nation's return to something resembling 'normal', might be quicker if the groups that mix with others most were vaccinated first.

[struth]

A large-scale trial of a new treatment it is hoped will help stop Covid-19 patients from developing severe illness has begun in the UK.

The first patient received the treatment at Hull Royal Infirmary on Tuesday afternoon.

It involves inhaling a protein called interferon beta which the body produces when it gets a viral infection.

The hope is it will stimulate the immune system, priming cells to be ready to fight off viruses.

Early findings suggested the treatment cut the odds of a Covid-19 patient in hospital developing severe disease - such as requiring ventilation - by almost 80%.

It was developed at Southampton University Hospital and is being produced by the Southampton-based biotech company, Synairgen.

A course of treatment with the new drug could cost around £2,000, which is not that expensive for a hospital treatment.

[walpurgis]

Interferon has been around for yonks, fairly sure it has been suggested some time ago in this context. There was also mention of Tamiflu, which although primarily aimed at Infuenza can be effective against other viral infections apparently. Not heard more on it though.

[Filterlab]

Whilst it's good to vaccinate the vulnerable, I keep thinking the nation's return to something resembling 'normal', might be quicker if the groups that mix with others most were vaccinated first.

Precisely.

It should be in this order in my opinion...

1. Workforce between 18 and 65 years of age
2. Uni and college students 16 and over
3. Children up to 16 years of age
4. The retired and vulnerable

That way we get the economy back on its feet faster, then the kids back to school and college/uni after the parents have been vaccinated, then lastly those whom mostly spend time at home and/or don't do anything to contribute to the economy (as a whole).

The government's got it completely backwards as usual.

[walpurgis]

I'm one of the vulnerable, as is my wife, but as we are not particularly inclined to mix socially or for other reasons, waiting a bit longer wouldn't put us out too much.

[anthonyTD]

We know from the stats that anyone with an underlying illness be it chronic lung, heart or diabetes etc, is far more likely to be severely affected by this Strain or infact any past strain of Corona virus,therefore; it should have been a priority in this country of getting people in those catagories onto some kind of vitamin and supliment program, they would or should have been advised by the health board that this would have been a useful tool in combating the amount of people with severe health conditions being at a greater risk from corona virus.
Interferon has been around for yonks, fairly sure it has been suggested some time ago in this context. There was also mention of Tamiflu, which although primarily aimed at Infuenza can be effective against other viral infections apparently. Not heard more on it though.

[Jac Hawk]

While inoculating people that are most likely to come in to contact with others is a good idea, the inoculation doesn't stop the virus from being spread only from you catching it, in my opinion NHS staff should be 1st on the list as without these people our healthcare would grind to a halt, as i've said it doesn't stop them spreading it if they come into contact with it but at least they won't end up off sick or even worst dead, after that inoculate on most likely to die if they catch it and so on.

[tapid]

Precisely.

It should be in this order in my opinion...

1. Workforce between 18 and 65 years of age
2. Uni and college students 16 and over
3. Children up to 16 years of age
4. The retired and vulnerable

That way we get the economy back on its feet faster, then the kids back to school and college/uni after the parents have been vaccinated, then lastly those whom mostly spend time at home and/or don't do anything to contribute to the economy (as a whole).

The government's got it completely backwards as usual.
Yeah, can you imagine the reaction in the country putting old folk at the back of the queue. Brave Government to do that.

[struth]

i think old folk have contributed plenty to the country. that order and attitude is fairly odd, and i doubt many would agree. you always vaccinate your most at risk of serious disease first. irrellevent of how much they currently put into the kitty.

[Marco]

he could and maybe he has done that previously. But he can't do the same thing every day. If you are an assassination/kidnap target then you are advised to vary your routes and routines on a daily basis. That's security 101. In short, if he want's to go outside and ride his bike for an hour each day then, unlike the rest of us, he has to do it in a different place each day.

I get that, but the point is, in a city the size of London, he doesn't *have* to travel for 7 miles, in order to find somewhere different to cycle everyday!:doh:

There must be an innumerable amount of suitable places where he could do that within close proximity to Downing St, and which with lockdown would be much quieter than usual, enabling ample social distancing, etc, and where he would be just as safe as the park where he cycled 7 miles to!

As usual, and as has happened throughout this pandemic (with the Cummings fiasco, etc), his behaviour smacks of hypocrisy and double-standards: one rule for 'the elite', and another for 'the plebs':rolleyes:

Members of the government, and especially the PM, should be setting exemplary examples to the rest of the nation (and displaying impeccable standards of behaviour, by following the rules to the letter), but some, including BJ Buffoon-Boy, seem to think that they're above them!

Therefore, how can you expect others ['the plebs] to take a blind bit of notice of the rules, or worse how can the government criticise or lambast them when they break them (especially when many are so ambiguous), or preach to others how the rules should be followed, when they're just doing what the hell they like??:doh:

They need to get it into their thick heads, Buffoon-Boy, especially, that the LAW (and rules set for behaviour during this pandemic) *applies as much to them* (and the power-hungry authoritarian police bullies) as anyone else!!

Marco.

[Macca]

I get that, but the point is, in a city the size of London, he doesn't *have* to travel for 7 miles in order to find somewhere different to cycle everyday!:doh:

There must be an innumerable amount of suitable places where he could do that within close proximity to Downing St, and which with lockdown would be much quieter than usual, enabling ample social distancing, etc, and where he would be just as safe as the park where he cycled 7 miles to!

As usual, and as has been the case throughout this pandemic (with the Cummings fiasco, etc), it's a case of hypocrisy and double-standards: one rule for the 'special ones' and another for 'the plebs':rolleyes:

Members of the government, and especially the PM, should be setting good examples to the rest of the nation (and exemplary standards of behaviour, by following the rules to the letter), but some including BJ Buffoon-Boy seem to think that they're above them, so how can you expect others ['the plebs] to take a blind bit of notice of the rules, or worse how can the government criticise them, when they break the rules (especially when many are so ambiguous), or preach to others how the rules should be followed, when they're doing what the hell they like??:doh:

Marco.

How do you know he hasn't been using places nearby as well? Just because it hasn't been reported because there was nothing out of the ordinary to report?

It's just another total non-story. Seems to me that critics of Johnson must be desperate if this is the best they can do. I notice that they've been somewhat put out by the EU trade deal too. 'The EU won't let us have our cake and eat it!' Wrong again.

[mad-moon]

I get that, but the point is, in a city the size of London, he doesn't *have* to travel for 7 miles, in order to find somewhere different to cycle everyday!:doh:

There must be an innumerable amount of suitable places where he could do that within close proximity to Downing St, and which with lockdown would be much quieter than usual, enabling ample social distancing, etc, and where he would be just as safe as the park where he cycled 7 miles to!

As usual, and as has been the case throughout this pandemic (with the Cummings fiasco, etc), it's a case of hypocrisy and double-standards: one rule for the 'special ones' and another for 'the plebs':rolleyes:

Members of the government, and especially the PM, should be setting good examples to the rest of the nation (and exemplary standards of behaviour, by following the rules to the letter), but some including BJ Buffoon-Boy seem to think that they're above them, so how can you expect others ['the plebs] to take a blind bit of notice of the rules, or worse how can the government criticise them, when they break the rules (especially when many are so ambiguous), or preach to others how the rules should be followed, when they're doing what the hell they like??:doh:

They need to get it into their thick heads, Buffoon-Boy, especially, that the LAW (and rules set for behaviour during this pandemic) applies as much to them (and the power-hungry police bullies) as much as anyone else!!

Marco.

Even more so...these useless twats should be setting an example...I'll just reiterate something I said earlier...you don't need to go outdoors to exercise..and BJ is only going cycling because he likes to..I'm sure he could put his cycling hobby on hold for 6 months or so....or get an exercise bike for indoor use

Stay at home everyone, it saves lives............................................. .................................................. ............Except Boris

[mad-moon]

How do you know he hasn't been using places nearby as well? Just because it hasn't been reported because there was nothing out of the ordinary to report?

It's just another total non-story. Seems to me that critics of Johnson must be desperate if this is the best they can do. I notice that they've been somewhat put out by the EU trade deal too. 'The EU won't let us have our cake and eat it!' Wrong again.

It seems to me, it's got fuck all to do with exercise, but an exercise to allow you to go outdoors...it's all bollocks..stay indoors...sign up to Peloton

It's got nowt to do with picking on Johnson ..he's the prime minister ffs....If anyone should be leading by example it should be him...or did you think it would go un-noticed that Boris is going for a bike ride???

[Filterlab]

Yeah, can you imagine the reaction in the country putting old folk at the back of the queue. Brave Government to do that.

It’s a big problem when the majority of the nation don’t understand simple economics. Sadly most seem to believe that infinite money grows on trees.

[Marco]

How do you know he hasn't been using places nearby as well? Just because it hasn't been reported because there was nothing out of the ordinary to report?


Sure, but that doesn't negate his breaking of the rules (or not being true to the spirit of them, if you prefer, as he's asking of others) by going 7 miles to take some exercise. If he's also been using places nearby, then he should be sticking to those, and like a good boy, keeping his arse nearer home!

The fact is, there are TONS of suitable places locally that he could use, and which there's no way he would've exhausted yet, so there is simply NO excuse for going anywhere else. He needs to heed his own words: STAY AT HOME!!! Simples.

It's not a non-story if you abhor hypocrisy and double standards, or 'elites' lording it over their 'minions' (count me in), as those two girls who were disgracefully treated in such an unnecessary and appallingly heavy-handed manner, by bullies posing as Police, were utterly lambasted for essentially doing the same...!:rolleyes:

So, fair's fair, HE should've been similarly lambasted - even MORE SO - as he should've known better and be setting a flawless example to the nation of how to behave!!

Marco.

[Jac Hawk]

i think this sums it up quite well

https://scontent.fman3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91770685_10163180727155287_8928403402476486656_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=dz9HFWHpxOsAX9Vf_mK&_nc_ht=scontent.fman3-1.fna&oh=2d7134e9d3f514ee5e1938b07794ee38&oe=6024A562

[Marco]

It's got nowt to do with picking on Johnson ..he's the prime minister ffs....If anyone should be leading by example it should be him...or did you think it would go un-noticed that Boris is going for a bike ride???

Indeed. Quite simply, he needs to practice what he preaches!!

Marco.

[Jac Hawk]

I see Nicola Sturgeon has laid down some new restrictions north of the boarder

[Filterlab]

Hear hear Marco!

[mad-moon]

It’s a big problem when the majority of the nation don’t understand simple economics. Sadly most seem to believe that infinite money grows on trees.

Of course we don't...but until we get this under control, what else can be done...bite the bullet...tighten your belt...once it's eradicated...or at least near under total control...rebuild...grief...how long did world war 2 go on for???...we are talking about a further year max...total 2 years...yeah the economy has took a shitty hit, I get it, but what can we do....keep going on with..stop indoors, virus starts to become under control...right everyone you can go out again....virus gets out of control again...add infinitum.....??

quicker people get the message to stop off the streets the better....can you imagine one of the aresholes, who treat this as a joke, then a family member of theirs falls ill and needs hospital treatment...they'll be the first to start an outcry, because there's no beds, staff to take care of them...

[Filterlab]

I agree. But it should be dealt with in a manner which gets the economy as strong as possible, as quickly as possible.

[Marco]

It’s a big problem when the majority of the nation don’t understand simple economics. Sadly most seem to believe that infinite money grows on trees.

I agree mate, and it's a situation that simply isn't tenable, but one of the government's (ANY government's) primary objectives in a pandemic is, first and foremost, to protect the vulnerable (and NHS), so I fully support that, and that they should also be the first to be vaccinated.

What should've happened is that the elderly and vulnerable should've been *completely isolated* from day one of knowing how easily this virus spreads and how potentially deadly it is, and been kept there until this whole thing was over/vaccine was available, then (as far as possible) allowed the 'workers', those keeping the economy going, to do that, but in a *strictly controlled manner* (with strictly enforced mask wearing, hand-cleansing, social distancing, etc), rather than not dealing with the situation properly [in reality making a total arse of it] and forcing the necessity for umpteen (largely unsuccessful) lockdowns, subsequently sending the country into a financial crisis/recession, which it will take YEARS to recover from.

However, I don't think you can say (in fact to some it may be rather insulting) that the elderly or vulnerable don't really contribute to the running of the country or the economy... They certainly did in the past when most of them were working from very young until retiral age, and putting BILLIONS of pounds into the economy in the process, or even more so, those who fought in the war to give you and I the freedom we currently enjoy.... I think that they certainly 'contributed';)

No offence mate, but just thought I'd introduce a little more balance to your argument, in case anyone should think of you as ageist or uncaring, as I know you're not like that:)

Marco.

[mad-moon]

I agree mate, and it's a situation that simply isn't tenable, but one of the government's (ANY government's) primary objectives in a pandemic is, first and foremost, to protect the vulnerable (and NHS), so I fully support that, and that they should also be the first to be vaccinated.

What should've happened is that the elderly and vulnerable should've been *completely isolated* from day one of knowing how easily this virus spreads and how potentially deadly it is, and been kept there until this whole thing was over/vaccine was available, then (as far as possible) allowed the 'workers', those keeping the economy going, to do that, but in a *strictly controlled manner* (with strictly enforced mask wearing, hand-cleansing, social distancing, etc), rather than not dealing with the situation properly [in reality making a total arse of it] and forcing the necessity for umpteen (largely unsuccessful) lockdowns, subsequently sending the country into a financial crisis/recession, which it will take YEARS to recover from.

However, I don't think you can say (in fact to some it may be rather insulting) that the elderly or vulnerable don't really contribute to the running of the country or the economy... They certainly did in the past when most of them were working from very young until retiral age, and putting BILLIONS of pounds into the economy in the process, or even more so, those who fought in the war to give you and I the freedom we currently enjoy.... I think that they certainly 'contributed';)

No offence mate, but just thought I'd introduce a little more balance to your argument, in case anyone should think of you as ageist or uncaring, as I know you're not like that:)

Marco.

Absolutely..:thumbsup:

[anthonyTD]

Goes without saying that the elderly should have been protected from the very start!:)
I agree mate, and it's a situation that simply isn't tenable, but one of the government's (ANY government's) primary objectives in a pandemic is, first and foremost, to protect the vulnerable (and NHS), so I fully support that, and that they should also be the first to be vaccinated.

What should've happened is that the elderly and vulnerable should've been *completely isolated* from day one of knowing how easily this virus spreads and how potentially deadly it is, and been kept there until this whole thing was over/vaccine was available, then (as far as possible) allowed the 'workers', those keeping the economy going, to do that, but in a *strictly controlled manner* (with strictly enforced mask wearing, hand-cleansing, social distancing, etc), rather than not dealing with the situation properly [in reality making a total arse of it] and forcing the necessity for umpteen (largely unsuccessful) lockdowns, subsequently sending the country into a financial crisis/recession, which it will take YEARS to recover from.

However, I don't think you can say (in fact to some it may be rather insulting) that the elderly or vulnerable don't really contribute to the running of the country or the economy... They certainly did in the past when most of them were working from very young until retiral age, and putting BILLIONS of pounds into the economy in the process, or even more so, those who fought in the war to give you and I the freedom we currently enjoy.... I think that they certainly 'contributed';)

No offence mate, but just thought I'd introduce a little more balance to your argument, in case anyone should think of you as ageist or uncaring, as I know you're not like that:)

Marco.

[tapid]

Indeed. Quite simply, he needs to practice what he preaches!!

Marco.
Says the person who drove all the way to York lol ... which was hardly in the spirit of the rules. Just saying :)

[Marco]

Yes, but I'm not the PM, and so not only supposed to be setting an example, but expecting the whole country to follow my rules - that's the difference!:)

So, unlike Buffoon-Boy, I've got no 'preach to practice'. Would I have gone there had I been him, especially after telling everyone else to stay at home? No, because I'm not a hypocrite.

Marco.

[Filterlab]

No offence taken, it’s a thread for conversation and debate - and I know what you mean regarding the retired and elderly. They have contributed and deserve the treatment they need without exception.

But, in the short term, vaccinating the workforce first would improve the economy faster than leaving them until last. Simple as. It would enable those whom normally work to return to doing so quicker.

Obviously all those who want a vaccine should be able to get them, and as soon as poss, regardless of their current contribution to the economy. Not to sideline anyone of course, but it makes economical sense.

[Marco]

Cool, Didn't think there would be:)

We're largely on the same page, apart from this:


But, in the short term, vaccinating the workforce first would improve the economy faster than leaving them until last.

For the valid reasons you mention, I don't agree either with vaccinating 'the workforce' last (inverted commas used to indicate that such doesn't just consist of the 40s and under), but you MUST first prioritise the most vulnerable (elderly or otherwise), as quite simply they're most at risk from DYING, therefore the longer they have to wait to be vaccinated, the more likely they are of succumbing to that fate.

What they should do, is regardless of age, get the most vulnerable vaccinated first (for reasons stated above), so that includes younger folks with any illnesses or underlying conditions, and for whom Covid is liable to provoke a serious reaction, then 'the workforce', with all age groups therein represented, and lastly everyone else, such as the healthy unemployed or long-term ill or disabled, who are unable to work (but not at most critical risk from Covid), and anyone else who's fit and healthy but not responsible for 'driving' the economy.

Prioritising by age is badly judged, ineffective and also unfair. But as usual, it's far easier using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, than something more appropriate, which unfortunately requires more effort.

Marco.

[Stryder5]

I find the comments from the “vaccine” manufacturers and the Government very disturbing.

So, the above do not know IF the vaccine stops infection, has any long term side effects, or has any effect really, “long vaccine” has yet to be experienced!

Unless I’m mistaken nothings going to change after mass vaccination, still wear a mask, social distancing, stay at home and save the NHS. Consecutive governments have starved the NHS of investment and modernisation, wasting money on management layers (Primary Care Trusts have 6 management layers) and purchasing ineptitude. We have to “save the NHS” from the folly of Government’s decades of the utmost stupidity.

Winter always brings unbearable loads on hospital capacity, ignored for years.

IMHO what we’re hearing is so much crap! There’s trouble afoot soon!

Gary

[Marco]

Just touching again on what I wrote above... Here's the thing, and taking myself as an example:

Why should a [to all intents and purposes] retired, fit and healthy 55 year-old, living off his savings and investments, who suffers from no underlying health conditions (other than terminal daftness:D), with a strong immune system, and who in lockdown has nowhere to spend his money, thus currently isn't contributing in a useful way to the economy, be offered a vaccination before, say, a less healthy 30 year-old, with a weaker immune system (partly due to years of poor diet), and who's often ill and arguably more at risk from dying from Covid (but isn't medically classified as one of the most vulnerable) - or say, a fit and healthy 22 year-old with a big mortgage and an expensive leased company car, who's just started his own business, employing a number of other people, which despite the current situation is thriving, and thus who currently is contributing very significantly to the economy?

That doesn't make any sense - and there are countless thousands of similar examples of the government displaying such an economic use of neurones...:rolleyes:

Prioritising by age, with the vaccine rollout, is not only dangerous, but represents grossly simplistic thinking from the 'powers that be', who largely don't have a clue, or are simply following the path that requires the least amount of thought or effort, and with potentially fatal consequences for both people's lives and the economy.

The whole thing drastically needs a rethink!!

Marco.

[Marco]

I find the comments from the “vaccine” manufacturers and the Government very disturbing.

So, the above do not know IF the vaccine stops infection, has any long term side effects, or has any effect really, “long vaccine” has yet to be experienced!


Not only that, the key thing is they don't yet know either if any of the vaccines, once providing whatever levels of immunity they're purported to have, succeed in *preventing you from subsequently becoming an asymptomatic carrier*...!!

Therefore, you have a potential situation for the millions of people who've so far been vaccinated (and arguably safe themselves now from Covid) still being able to transmit it to others! So what use is that? How does that quickly eradicate the spread of the virus and get us out of this mess and back to some semblance of normality??:doh:

Your other points are spot on, btw.

Marco.

[Oddball]

Not only that, the key thing is they don't yet know either if any of the vaccines, once providing whatever levels of immunity they're purported to have, thus *prevent you from becoming an asymptomatic carrier*...!!

Therefore, you have a potential situation for the millions of people who've so far been vaccinated (and arguably safe themselves now from Covid) still being able to transmit it to others! So what use is that? How does that quickly eradicate the spread of the virus and get us out of this mess and back to some semblance of normality??:doh:

Your other points are spot on, btw.

Marco.

Interesting thoughts there Marco . My mother in law was at Oswestry for her jab yesterday , my Ma on Thurs at Oswestry too, and my other half did mention about the possibility of them being able to potentially spread covid to someone else by actually being asymptomatic for a short while !!??
Its possible ,as a vaccine is a small dose of the virus irradiated IIRC that produces a reaction in your immune system .
A paramedic mate of mine was talking about ffeeling rough for a day after his second dose ,and his paramedic mates told him thats not unusual !!
Its all new stuff :)

[Marco]

Hi Anto,

Nice hearing from you again mate, and I hope you are well:)


Interesting thoughts there Marco . My mother in law was at Oswestry for her jab yesterday , my Ma on Thurs at Oswestry too, and my other half did mention about the possibility of them being able to potentially spread covid to someone else by actually being asymptomatic for a short while !!??
Its possible ,as a vaccine is a small dose of the virus irradiated IIRC that produces a reaction in your immune system .
A paramedic mate of mine was talking about ffeeling rough for a day after his second dose ,and his paramedic mates told him thats not unusual !!
Its all new stuff :)

Indeed, and in terms of the above in bold, not only for a short while, but for as long as any immunity lasts, which as far as the 'success' of the vaccine is concerned, will hopefully be a long time, but yet during that time, you could still potentially be a carrier!:eek:

It's quite simple: after vaccination you'll be display no symptoms of Covid for as long as you're immune, but if they can't guarantee that during that time you still won't be a carrier of the virus, and able to infect others, then aside from potentially protecting yourself, what incentive is there to be vaccinated?

Marco.

[walpurgis]

My mother in law was at Oswestry for her jab yesterday , my Ma on Thurs at Oswestry too

I always had a vision of Oswestry as one of those places you hear of, but nobody ever goes to.

[Stryder5]

Interesting thoughts there Marco . My mother in law was at Oswestry for her jab yesterday , my Ma on Thurs at Oswestry too, and my other half did mention about the possibility of them being able to potentially spread covid to someone else by actually being asymptomatic for a short while !!??
Its possible ,as a vaccine is a small dose of the virus irradiated IIRC that produces a reaction in your immune system .
A paramedic mate of mine was talking about ffeeling rough for a day after his second dose ,and his paramedic mates told him thats not unusual !!
Its all new stuff :)

This “vaccine” is different it does not use any modified version of the virus.

Gary

[Stryder5]

I always had a vision of Oswestry as one of those places you hear of, but nobody ever goes to.

Oswestry has a very well known Orthopaedic Hospital.

With a stunning reputation!

Gary

[Macca]

Interesting thoughts there Marco . My mother in law was at Oswestry for her jab yesterday , my Ma on Thurs at Oswestry too, and my other half did mention about the possibility of them being able to potentially spread covid to someone else by actually being asymptomatic for a short while !!??
Its possible ,as a vaccine is a small dose of the virus irradiated IIRC that produces a reaction in your immune system .
A paramedic mate of mine was talking about ffeeling rough for a day after his second dose ,and his paramedic mates told him thats not unusual !!
Its all new stuff :)

That can happen with any vaccine.

[struth]

That can happen with any vaccine.

My daughter said she felt crap after her second dose.. but next day was fine again. so it may or may not have been that.

[Stryder5]

MASKS?

It’s a longish read.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaBLKKXJt4&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3diPKdxRjkgiclGZhM58y_YLMtHbuOLpl_slLPL qgN7ZMrPMbLDTjRaF4

[anthonyTD]

Listening to the latest this morning; anyone who as had the virus has imunity for around 5 months, but can still be a carrier, same as anyone who has had the vaccine, now my question is, if this is true, then how long does the vaccine work for, and how long will it last, if its going to be around the same amount of time as your own immune system, does that mean that a vaccine will be needed every six months ?
Surely your own immune should be more affective at protecting you than any vaccine, especialy an unknown version that suposedly promotes your own body to create something that your immune system is then meant to attack, help me out here folks as i feel like i am in the twilite zone lately!!! :doh:

[struth]

similar to flu.. its about 6 months, although there are other factors in flu, as im sure covid will become too, what with variants.

[walpurgis]

We are no wiser or better off than we were a year ago when the Coronavirus started out here.

All I see, is that the vaccines may only work for about 90% of recipients and immunity wears off. Those vaccinated don't know if it worked as there's no test to find out, so you could be still at risk. Maybe only 75% will agree to be vaccinated anyway, so there'll still be millions potentially spreading disease.

We don't know if the virus will mutate beyond the four or five strains identified so far or if the vaccines will treat new strains effectively or whether further mutations will be more or less deadly.

[Jazid]

Listening to the latest this morning; anyone who as had the virus has imunity for around 5 months, but can still be a carrier, same as anyone who has had the vaccine, now my question is, if this is true, then how long does the vaccine work for, and how long will it last, if its going to be around the same amount of time as your own immune system, does that mean that a vaccine will be needed every six months ?
Surely your own immune should be more affective at protecting you than any vaccine, especialy an unknown version that suposedly promotes your own body to create something that your immune system is then meant to attack, help me out here folks as i feel like i am in the twilite zone lately!!! :doh:

The jab contains proteins that are a signature of the virus. We currently have no natural immunity because we've never had it before. Immunity can develop but it can take time, several weeks for some, many days for most, a few days for the young. The virus reproduces in the body in that time and is transmitted through aerosols in breath. The longer the immune system takes to ramp up the longer the virus can spread from the infected individual to others.

Second infections are more likely to encounter an immune system that recognises the threat and ramp up antibodies faster. This is the hope, but that is all it is at this point.

The jab aims to potentiate the immune system so that on first infection it behaves more like our body is suffering a re-infection. The nearer that event is in time to the date of the original infection/jab the stronger the antibody response will be (after a two or three week initial time for the immune system to gear up) . Immune response may fade, but like flu we will get adapted to the threat and it will ameliorate. Frankly that's as good as it gets for now.

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[ianlenco]

My understanding is the vaccine contains mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid) which causes the body's cells to produce a harmless protein mimicking that on the covid 19 virus and hence triggers an immune response. The 5 month immunity is actually at least 5 months as that is as far back as the study goes.

[anthonyTD]

Cheers James,
However, i would like to add; many of us i suspect encountered the original SARS virus that apparently is very closely related to this, surely our immune system should therefore remember, and identify some of the similarities in this strain, therefore will know it needs to be destroyed ?
The jab contains proteins that are a signature of the virus. We currently have no natural immunity because we've never had it before. Immunity can develop but it can take time, several weeks for some, many days for most, a few days for the young. The virus reproduces in the body in that time and is transmitted through aerosols in breath. The longer the immune system takes to ramp up the longer the virus can spread from the infected individual to others.

Second infections are more likely to encounter an immune system that recognises the threat and ramp up antibodies faster. This is the hope, but that is all it is at this point.

The jab aims to potentiate the immune system so that on first infection it behaves more like our body is suffering a re-infection. The nearer that event is in time to the date of the original infection/jab the stronger the antibody response will be (after a two or three week initial time for the immune system to gear up) . Immune response may fade, but like flu we will get adapted to the threat and it will ameliorate. Frankly that's as good as it gets for now.

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[struth]

i dont think this one is similar enough to sars 1. or other covids.

[anthonyTD]

Excelent, and a very easy listen, I urge everyone to watch this!
MASKS?

It’s a longish read.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaBLKKXJt4&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3diPKdxRjkgiclGZhM58y_YLMtHbuOLpl_slLPL qgN7ZMrPMbLDTjRaF4

[anthonyTD]

Not acording to Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, infact, many scientists are of the same mindset https://thehighwire.com/videos/the-biggest-experiment-ever-done/ And yes, i have read the book, a must read for anyone who has even the slightest doubt about whats being asked of us.
i dont think this one is similar enough to sars 1. or other covids.

[system7]

Let's try and knock this into shape:


https://youtu.be/9RaBLKKXJt4

The very attractive Doctor Lee Merritt, because white shirt and black or dark blue jacket is a good look, is telling us that masks do nothing useful.

More strongly advises Vitamin D and Zinc and keeping the window open for fresh air.

Personally I have always slept with the windows open. My Arthur Mee's Children's Encyclopedia always advised that sleeping with the windows shut was "POSITIVELY UNHEALTHY". :lol:

I have had huge arguments with GFs over the years on this issue. But Arthur Mee is somebody I always listened to. I believe my sister still has his 10 volume books.

I am more dubious about Vitamin D, after recent experiments with foul Cod Liver Oil. But my sister is also keen on Zinc, of which deficiency causes white spots under your nails. Who knows? :scratch:

[guy]

When I was teaching, I was always getting colds. So several years ago I started having a Vitamin C and Zinc drink every morning.
It may be coincidence/psychosomatic, but I had far fewer colds once I started doing this.

I started having a vitamin D tablet every morning last winter, just to make up for lack of sunlight, but I haven't noticed any difference yet. I may well be getting enough vitamin D in my diet in winter anyway through my love of soft boiled eggs :)

[Stryder5]

“Let's try and knock this into shape:”

“The very attractive Doctor Lee Merritt, because white shirt and black or dark blue jacket is a good look, is telling us that masks do nothing useful.

More strongly advises Vitamin D and Zinc and keeping the window open for fresh air.”

What have we got to “knock into shape”?

We should believe the well dressed Government advisor that’s Whitty and looks like E.T.?
What do looks and dress have to do with believability?

Healthy diet always helps our immune systems, vitamin deficiency lowers our defences!
I find no references to open windows! Humidity and fresh air yes, common sense, not misquotes!

The rest of the above post seems drivel.

Gary

[Macca]

Let's try and knock this into shape:


https://youtu.be/9RaBLKKXJt4

The very attractive Doctor Lee Merritt, because white shirt and black or dark blue jacket is a good look, is telling us that masks do nothing useful.

More strongly advises Vitamin D and Zinc and keeping the window open for fresh air.

Personally I have always slept with the windows open. My Arthur Mee's Children's Encyclopedia always advised that sleeping with the windows shut was "POSITIVELY UNHEALTHY". :lol:

I have had huge arguments with GFs over the years on this issue. But Arthur Mee is somebody I always listened to. I believe my sister still has his 10 volume books.



Arthur was only 67 when he died though, probably from pneumonia the daft bastard.

[struth]

was temperance too :stalks::mental:

[Pigmy Pony]

[QUOTE=system7;1248249]

I have had huge arguments with GFs over the years on this issue. But Arthur Mee is somebody I always listened to. I believe my sister still has his 10 volume books.

I tended to agree with the girlfriends over the years on this issue, because I wanted to get laid.

[guy]

[QUOTE=system7;1248249]

I tended to agree with the girlfriends over the years on this issue, because I wanted to get laid.

:) most truthful post of the year/decade :cool:

[mad-moon]

[QUOTE=Pigmy Pony;1248267]

:) most truthful post of the year/decade :cool:

I know three more...as do probably the rest of the forum. You can't get more truthful than these :-

1 : I love you
2 : The cheque is in the post
3 : I won't cum in your mouth.....

[mad-moon]

Arthur was only 67 when he died though, probably from pneumonia the daft bastard.

That was a good old age for someone born in 1875

[guy]

[QUOTE=guy;1248276]

I know three more...as do probably the rest of the forum. You can't get more truthful than these :-

1 : I love you
2 : The cheque is in the post
3 : I won't cum in your mouth.....

not sure about number 3 being truthful (other two I could cope with)

[guy]

I did convince one girlfriend that sterility ran in the family though :)

[guy]

Anyway, back on virus related issues.
There is a program on TV at the moment about the natural history museum, it is reminding me how much I miss the freedom of going to Londondon for the day - Natural history museum, V&A, Spitalfields market, few pints of Porter in a London pub (Jerusalem Tavern is nice :https://www.stpetersbrewery.co.uk/london-pub)

Just bringing home how much I miss the freedom :(

[Folsom]

All the CDC studies cited for our US CDC site are basically junk. I read them all. That video makes some sort of sense.

[Filterlab]

I did convince one girlfriend that sterility ran in the family though :)

:lol:

And how’s the child these days?

[Pigmy Pony]

:lol:

And how’s the child these days?

Probably sterile too, same as all the grandkids :)

[tapid]

Anyway, back on virus related issues.
There is a program on TV at the moment about the natural history museum, it is reminding me how much I miss the freedom of going to Londondon for the day - Natural history museum, V&A, Spitalfields market, few pints of Porter in a London pub (Jerusalem Tavern is nice :https://www.stpetersbrewery.co.uk/london-pub)

Just bringing home how much I miss the freedom :(
Always takes somebody outside London to tell em whats in London !. The Tavern that is not the history museum ( even I know thats there ) lol

[guy]

My wife's great grandfather ran the Jerusalem Tavern (although it was in a different building around the corner when he lived/worked there - St Peters web site isn't too clear/correct on the details of the history of the pub!).

Quite poignant, it was the last place I had a beer with my father in law (a few months before he passed on), he was so pleased to tell me about his family history over a pint or two.

[tapid]

My wife's great grandfather ran the Jerusalem Tavern (although it was in a different building around the corner when he lived/worked there - St Peters web site isn't too clear/correct on the details of the history of the pub!).

Quite poignant, it was the last place I had a beer with my father in law (a few months before he passed on), he was so pleased to tell me about his family history over a pint or two.
Nice. I could walk there on a good day from mine. In fact I've convinced myself I should lol. Well recommended too !

[Filterlab]

Probably sterile too, same as all the grandkids :)

:lol:

[guy]

:lol:

And how’s the child these days?

I was either very lucky, or she was lying too :)

[Filterlab]

:lol:

[system7]

Another briefing tonight:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55673006

Boris, Prof. Chris and Sir Patrick.

aka Doctors Doomster and Gloomster to Private Eye readers. :lol:

Upbeat performance from Boris. "We are in the business of getting jabs into arms!"

Alas, next week will be worse apparently. But to jab a million or so most vulnerable people in a week is quite impressive.

Bought some fresh supplies of Cod Liver Vitamin D and multivits in capsules. Fingers crossed. :)

[Filterlab]

I bought 20 Mayfair Blue and a 4 pack of San Mig.

Fingers crossed. :lol:

[Barry]

And I've just ordered another case of Bordeaux. :)

[Filterlab]

Sounds like we’re on the same page good sir. :D

[Pigmy Pony]

Sounds like we’re on the same page good sir. :D

Only if that was a page from Tatler, with an article from Viz pasted on :)

[Filterlab]

That would be a page and a half. :D

[Pigmy Pony]

I think the article was called "I have a Range Rover to carry my unfeasibly large testicles".

[mad-moon]

I think the article was called "I have a Range Rover to carry my unfeasibly large testicles".

But a small cock...;)

[guy]

According to Keith Richards that describes Mick Jagger :)

[Filterlab]

So that's how he wears those tight trousers. :lol:

[Folsom]

Someone shared a pretty complete link (https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/) to me on masks. However I have to say the Danish study is trash - despite it's popularity. It's as bad as many of the pro mask studies that are poor or fake science.

If your testicles are so big that you need a Range Rover to haul them around, that would effectively make you immobile.

[Filterlab]

If your testicles are so big that you need a Range Rover to haul them around, that would effectively make you immobile.

But only because a Range Rover spends so much time broken down. :lol:

[guy]

https://i.postimg.cc/TwKgjk2h/balls-18.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I'm still standing, yeah yeah yeah

[Filterlab]

Well, when there’s nowhere left for the fat to go.

[Pigmy Pony]

https://i.postimg.cc/TwKgjk2h/balls-18.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I'm still standing, yeah yeah yeah

"Del, I can't find my Spiderman underpants, have you seen them?"

"Oh Marco, your memory is getting worse! Your dad made them into a gazebo for the barbeque, remember?"

[guy]

"Del, I can't find my Spiderman underpants, have you seen them?"

"Oh Marco, your memory is getting worse! Your dad made them into a gazebo for the barbeque, remember?"

:rfl:

[hifi_dave]

But only because a Range Rover spends so much time broken down. :lol:

Having owned two Range Rovers, I totally agree.

[Filterlab]

:lol:

[Gazjam]

https://i.imgur.com/12tNEKe.jpg

[struth]

not seeing that pic either??? very odd... for some reason my pc wont show up imagur stuff.. no idea why tho as it did before.

anyone else not seeing image of gazjams above?? not showing on my phone in tapatalk either?:doh:

[Filterlab]

https://i.ibb.co/z80LDC5/0-CFCC7-FB-F018-423-C-B288-ABB6381-FACEF.jpg (https://ibb.co/Q81qthc)

[struth]

seeing that one.. cant find any security reasons why re imagur..

[Filterlab]

What browser and OS are you using?

[struth]

What browser and OS are you using?

win 10 64 pro. tried firefox and edge. not tried chrome yet. not sure its browser as i used to see imagur stuff. even the mobile android on tapatalk is coming up broken picture line graphic.

edit. tried chrome and same... in fact the ads cause constant bad gateways as was reason i stopped using it. but no imagur pics.

bizzare but will just have to ignore

[Filterlab]

Sounds like your AV software doesn’t like Imgur for some reason.

[mad-moon]

not seeing that pic either??? very odd... for some reason my pc wont show up imagur stuff.. no idea why tho as it did before.

anyone else not seeing image of gazjams above?? not showing on my phone in tapatalk either?:doh:

Me too Grant...can't see the images....Win 10 pro x64...modern desk top pc...very fast on the net...ip gives me 50mbs download..

[struth]

Yeah imagur must have changed something.
Odd tho. Yes my pc is a zbook and has loads of memory etc. Latest software too

[mad-moon]

Yeah imagur must have changed something.
Odd tho. Yes my pc is a zbook and has loads of memory etc. Latest software too

Seen all the images on pfm Grant...it looks superb...I've sent Gaz a pm....hope to own this amp soon...

strangely the images don't show on the WAM either....weird..

[struth]

Seen all the images on pfm Grant...it looks superb...I've sent Gaz a pm....hope to own this amp soon...

strangely the images don't show on the WAM either....weird..It's a very good amp. Stylish t'boot

[Stryder5]

https://ceflix.org/videos/watch/1852060/bill-gates-what-you-were-not-told/goodgospelplaylist

https://www.facebook.com/W1LL.AltR/videos/1349253455460330/

[anthonyTD]

With vaccines rolling out, there is a risk that society seeks to pick-up from before the pandemic took hold. However, it is obvious the world cannot move forward by returning to the pre-pandemic status quo. If we are to emerge strongly from COVID-19 and tackle greater challenges, such as climate change, then not only do we need to continue the digital evolution, but we need to accelerate it with 5G at the forefront.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/davos-agenda-covid-19-5g-economy-environment/

[system7]

Anthony, did you notice, as I did that, the quoted article was written by Ericcson's Chief Executive? Heavily invested in 5G.

Alright as a keynote speech, but not a trustworthy news item. :lol:

I don't feel any need for more bandwidth than my 3G gives me on my phone to PC tether.

I was deeply moved by this 10 minute report from the BBC on the current horrors of hospitals trying to cope with Covid:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55708709

Still plenty of idiots about though. Cake parties...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55717243

Worst day yet for deaths at 1600. New cases falling though, as expected.

[Stryder5]

“However, it is obvious the world cannot move forward by returning to the pre-pandemic status quo.”

Why? Not obvious to me.

5G can be used for more nefarious purposes, including tracking everyone 24 hrs a day.

Gary

[Macca]

“However, it is obvious the world cannot move forward by returning to the pre-pandemic status quo.”

Why? Not obvious to me.

5G can be used for more nefarious purposes, including tracking everyone 24 hrs a day.

Gary

So could 1G and whatever it was before that. If you want to get up to no good you leave your blower with your alibi.

[Stryder5]

So could 1G and whatever it was before that. If you want to get up to no good you leave your blower with your alibi.

1G up to 4G does not have the bandwidth or capacity to track the worlds population, your assumption about a “blower” is irrelevant as a mobile phone is not a prerequisite to tracking!

Gary

[Macca]

So what sort of tracking method were you thinking of then?

[Stryder5]

So what sort of tracking method were you thinking of then?

There’s a few, one current, ie the profusion of surveillance cameras with facial recognition aligned to 5G, it’s not a complex option, in the future who knows, technology in this area could be advanced. I’m not going to be lead into any other maybes, they are detailed in one of my links in earlier posts.

Who would have thought a short while ago that we could be in lockdown with a massive effect on our personal lives, back in early 2020 we were lead to believe lockdown would be a couple of weeks.

Gary

[Marco]

I'd imagine it would be difficult to be tracked if you don't carry any 'smart devices' facilitating such, or drive an electric car, or own anything else that potentially connects you to 'the grid', via 5G or otherwise - oh and have no intention of taking any (arguably) 'dodgy vaccines', with goodness knows what in them;)

Count me in.... Not being a 'tech junky' has its benefits:)

Marco [seeks to be as off-grid/divorced from 'the system', and as staunchly self-sufficient as possible].

[Filterlab]

...I e the profusion of surveillance cameras with facial recognition aligned to 5G...

Completely useless if everyone’s wearing a mask of course. :)

That’s one reason to wear one.

[Marco]

Good point!:D

I wear mine now over my diver's helmet. Del finds it kinky!

Marco.

[Filterlab]

:lol:

[Stryder5]

I'd imagine it would be difficult to be tracked if you don't carry any 'smart devices' facilitating such, or drive an electric car, or own anything else that potentially connects you to 'the grid', via 5G or otherwise - oh and have no intention of taking any (arguably) 'dodgy vaccines', with goodness knows what in them;)

Count me in.... Not being a 'tech junky' has its benefits:)

Marco [seeks to be as off-grid/divorced from 'the system', and as staunchly self-sufficient as possible].

Open your mind.....imagine the improbable or the impossible.

Gary

[Stryder5]

Completely useless if everyone’s wearing a mask of course. :)

That’s one reason to wear one.

For now! Do you accept that it’s masks for life?

Gary

[Filterlab]

No, but they won’t be going anywhere soon. I can envisage them becoming commonplace even after the COVID stuff is over, but not mandatory obviously.

[Marco]

Open your mind.....imagine the improbable or the impossible.


Soz, Gary, not sure what you mean? What specifically do you consider I'm being closedminded about, and what in your opinion constitutes as "the improbable" or "the impossible"?:)

I need to know that before I can "imagine it".

Marco.

[Macca]

Big Brother couldn't even manage to set up an effective track and trace system despite chucking billions at it, I think universal surveillance is a pipe dream at best.

[Stryder5]

Soz, Gary, not sure what you mean? What specifically do you consider I'm being closedminded about, and what in your opinion constitutes as "the improbable" or "the impossible"?:)

I need to know that before I can "imagine it".

Marco.

Marco, was trying to prompt some lateral thinking rather than saying your close or narrow minded. I understand that you may be an optimist, imagine what life could be like under virtual house arrest, with a health passport, without which you can’t shop anywhere, can’t own a house, can’t own a car.

This sort of imagining.

Before the deluge of nay sayers, I’m just answering what could be imagined, if your mind is not constrained by the now.

Gary

[Stryder5]

Big Brother couldn't even manage to set up an effective track and trace system despite chucking billions at it, I think universal surveillance is a pipe dream at best.

Big Brother needs a definition of who or what set this up with a spreadsheet. Don’t fall for the trap that Track and Trace wasn't designed to fail, so tighter controls could be explored.

I do so hope you’re right though.

Gary

[struth]

Big Brother couldn't even manage to set up an effective track and trace system despite chucking billions at it, I think universal surveillance is a pipe dream at best.

difficult to get a track n trace to work in a free country without the cooperation of public. countries where public are more attuned to obedience, it will have worked better;

[anthonyTD]

The whole point of me quoting and linking to the article, and website was in an effort to get folks to look at that website, and the info contained in the many other pages there, its quite obvious when you look through the info, and the characters involved, that what we are experiencing now was posibly/probably envisaged and thus enginered quite some time ago.
Anthony, did you notice, as I did that, the quoted article was written by Ericcson's Chief Executive? Heavily invested in 5G.

Alright as a keynote speech, but not a trustworthy news item. :lol:

I don't feel any need for more bandwidth than my 3G gives me on my phone to PC tether.

I was deeply moved by this 10 minute report from the BBC on the current horrors of hospitals trying to cope with Covid:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55708709

Still plenty of idiots about though. Cake parties...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55717243

Worst day yet for deaths at 1600. New cases falling though, as expected.

[Beobloke]

I'd imagine it would be difficult to be tracked if you don't carry any 'smart devices' facilitating such, or drive an electric car, or own anything else that potentially connects you to 'the grid', via 5G or otherwise - oh and have no intention of taking any (arguably) 'dodgy vaccines', with goodness knows what in them;)

Count me in.... Not being a 'tech junky' has its benefits:)

Marco [seeks to be as off-grid/divorced from 'the system', and as staunchly self-sufficient as possible].

Remind me - you typed that on a Mac, yes?

;)

[Marco]

Ha - we've been here before. You do what you can to MINIMISE it as far as possible. In today's world, it's impossible to eliminate such completely.

Undoubtedly though, the ones most susceptible to being tracked (if or when that technology, which already exists in limited form, becomes abused for nefarious reasons), are all the idiot 'tech junkies' - you know the geeks who simply CANNOT LIVE without owning the latest 'must have' gadget, and which is usually some sort of 'smart' device, and not only have it all around their homes, but carry it about with them, too!:doh:

And have crucially integrated/structured their lives around said tech (in some cases their livelihoods are dependant on it), so would be very difficult to live without. In that respect, the gullible 'sheeple' are essentially FUCKED...:acid:

Marco.

[Marco]

Marco, was trying to prompt some lateral thinking rather than saying your close or narrow minded. I understand that you may be an optimist, imagine what life could be like under virtual house arrest, with a health passport, without which you can’t shop anywhere, can’t own a house, can’t own a car.

This sort of imagining.

Before the deluge of nay sayers, I’m just answering what could be imagined, if your mind is not constrained by the now.


Ah, I get what you mean now, sure... Although I can't see it happening to that degree in our lifetime.

As long as we have 'people power', and the people aren't scared to rebel against injustice (as has been shown with the recent riots in America, which I'm not saying I'm condoning, btw, but the point is that if they care enough, people will REBEL against something that they consider is unjust or wrong,), and the lockdown protests here and elsewhere, which at times got nasty, then such fascist regimes won't 'stick'.

*BUT*, if necessary, we MUST not be scared to take to the streets and seek to defeat the 'powers that be', and FIGHT for our freedoms, should that ever be necessary - and while we still can!

Marco.

[Macca]

You can take to the streets if you want, I'll be sat in the warm watching Wheeler Dealers with a can on the go.

[Marco]

:lolsign:

Aye, if they haven't cut off your leccy for non-compliance to some fascist new rule involving the right for them to spy on you!;)

Marco.

[Macca]

They can't cut my leccy off without getting into the house - I'm not on a smart meter and it can't be done from the street. They've tried before and in the end they had to shut down the grid for the whole area.

Of course if you're on a smart meter they can just press a button at head office and that's it.

[struth]

they'd have to dig up street for me too.;)

[Marco]

They can't cut my leccy off without getting into the house..

Totally agree with the smart meter, which is why this year we'll be looking into installing solar panels, as it's another step towards our goal of becoming as self-sufficient as possible:)

As for getting into the house, they could if a new rule is made authorising the authorities to gain entry to anyone's home who refuses to be spied upon/non-compliance to new laws around surveillance, justified by Covid.

It won't happen, but just sayin'...

Marco.

[anthonyTD]

Just bear in mind that current legislation for residential in many areas only allows solar panel systems up to 4 kilowatt, which is fine for your usual low draw stuff, ie; TV, HI-FI, Lights etc, etc, however, don't expect to be able to run high curerent Apliances, ie, some tumble dryers, some washing machines, your shower, or imersion heater etc, still, its a good start.:)
Totally agree with the smart meter, which is why this year we'll be looking into installing solar panels, as it's another step towards our goal of becoming as self-sufficient as possible:)

As for getting into the house, they could if a new rule is made authorising the authorities to gain entry to anyone's home who refuses to be spied upon/non-compliance to new laws around surveillance, justified by Covid.

It won't happen, but just sayin'...

Marco.

[Macca]

they'd have to dig up street for me too.;)

They did dig up the street with me and they still couldn't cut me off :)

[struth]

They did dig up the street with me and they still couldn't cut me off :)

yeah, i think there is a switch of sorts out there somewhere, as they disconnected/connected me to change a feed into neighbours house. but it may actually be just inside my door. im not sure, if mine can be put off outside but the house next door probably can be

[Macca]

Totally agree with the smart meter, which is why this year we'll be looking into installing solar panels, as it's another step towards our goal of becoming as self-sufficient as possible:)

As for getting into the house, they could if a new rule is made authorising the authorities to gain entry to anyone's home who refuses to be spied upon/non-compliance to new laws around surveillance, justified by Covid.

It won't happen, but just sayin'...

Marco.

There is already legal provision in place for many years for forcing entry for a variety of things, they can force entry to cut off your leccy once they get a Court Order. The only thing they can't cut off is water - unless you are a business.

They have no interest in instituting surveillance over everyone 24/7 - there's absolutely nothing to be gained for them from doing that.

I've asked on this thread multiple times now for someone to explain the point of that to me and each time the question has been ignored.

Is it just that some people like to entertain themselves with the thought that Big Brother is out to get them? Does it make them feel worthwhile and important? I don't know. It's clearly psychological though.

[Marco]

Hi mate,


Just bear in mind that current legislation for residential in many areas only allows solar panel systems up to 4 kilowatt, which is fine for your usual low draw stuff, ie; TV, HI-FI, Lights etc, etc, however, don't expect to be able to run high curerent Apliances, ie, some tumble dryers, some washing machines, your shower, or imersion heater etc, still, its a good start.:)

That's mainly what it would be for, and we're thinking of going for one of the new underground installs:)

As for high current stuff, we have a (water mains) powered shower, not an electric one, plus a big Belfast sink and an old-fashioned 'pulley drier' in the kitchen, to replace the washing machine (never had a tumble drier in this house. Because it's just the two of us, the pulley and leaving clothes on a rack beside the fire have sufficed, or hanging clothes outside on the line to dry during the summer), if the bastards cut us off:D

Plus the wood-burning stove supplies our heating (plenty for our needs) and can also be used as a cooker lol, as when it's been on for a few hours, the heat on the top plate is as hot, or hotter, than any gas or electric cooker. Plus, we've got a thriving veg and potato patch in our (large) garden, which will be further developed in the spring. And we'll be getting some chickens, and a run, so we'll never starve!

Awesome... Life just like it was in the old days, or in the TV sitcom 'The Good Life':lol:

Seriously though, we're the types who could make that work.

Marco.

[Marco]

Martin, wealthy and power-hungry dictators (continually seeking to be ever more wealthy and powerful), who've ruled and oppressed their people, have existed for centuries, and continue to exist now. The only difference is (at least so far), in modern times, it's mostly been keep under the radar, but that could be about to change!;)

For all our sakes though, let's hope not.

Marco.

[struth]

Scottish parliament rejects Westminster's 'spy cops' bill. well done chaps and chapettes;)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/19/scottish-parliament-rejects-westminsters-spy-cops-bill

so, not in scotland they wont... only the tories voted for it .

[Filterlab]

Big Brother couldn't even manage to set up an effective track and trace system despite chucking billions at it, I think universal surveillance is a pipe dream at best.

:lol:

Well said sir!

[Marco]

Btw, another type of smart technology that could easily be abused to further the interests of 'the powers that be' (should that ever happen) is Ring:

https://en-uk.ring.com/products/alarm-security-5-piece-kit?gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=

Just imagine them locking you out of your own house or imprisoning you in it unless you do what they want!:eek:

Mind you the latter isn't much different from the current reality of lockdown... One reason though why I wouldn't touch that type of tech with a bargepole!!:nono:

Same goes for 'Smart watches' and 'Fitbits', which monitor aspects of your physical and biological functions. Too many folks are suckers for that pish, and they're ripe for abuse and facilitating surveillance or control.

Marco.

[Marco]

Scottish parliament rejects Westminster's 'spy cops' bill. well done chaps and chapettes;)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/19/scottish-parliament-rejects-westminsters-spy-cops-bill

so, not in scotland they wont... only the tories voted for it .

BRAVO, mate. Get it RIGHT up 'em!!:exactly: Fukkin Tory scum.

But you can see how things are going, in terms of becoming ever more draconian, can't you?

Marco.

[struth]

BRAVO, mate. Get it RIGHT up 'em!!:exactly: Fukkin Tory scum.

But you can see how things are going, in terms of becoming ever more draconian, can't you?

Marco.

it may be intended, or said to be intended for use v the likes of terrorism, but could easily say, be used to infiltrate the labour party/snp etc and call it whatever.. no judge to say aye/nae, and of course no comeback

[struth]

A further 1,820 people have died in the UK within 28 days of a positive Covid test - the most reported in a single day since the pandemic began.

It means the total number of deaths by that measure is now 93,290.

There were also a further 38,905 cases, with 3,887 more patients admitted into hospital.

A total of 4,609,740 people have now received the first dose of a vaccine,

depressing.

[Filterlab]

Indeed. Apparently the UK now has the highest death rate per million in the world! I'm not sure about the validity of that fact, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[anthonyTD]

People who get sick and recover from Covid-19 produce a ton of these more-specialized IgA antibodies. Because IgA antibodies occupy the same respiratory tract surfaces involved in transmitting SARS-CoV-2, we could reasonably expect that people who recover from Covid-19 aren’t spreading the virus any more. (Granted, this may also depend on how much of the virus that person was exposed to.)


Frustratingly, it’s just going to take more time to see if people who got the vaccine are involved in future transmission events. That’s why it’s vital that even after receiving both doses of the Covid-19 vaccine, all individuals wear masks, practice physical distancing, and wash their hands when around those who haven’t been vaccinated—just in case.

See below for full article.

https://qz.com/1954762/can-you-spread-covid-19-if-you-get-the-vaccine/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

[Filterlab]

At least the government has a sound four-stage plan...

https://vimeo.com/502678469

[struth]

scotlands excess death rate is at highest since 1891, which was mostly due to russian flu i think(excluding ww2)

[Filterlab]

I stand corrected, we're down a few on the scale...

https://i.ibb.co/fGScP7S/Screenshot-2021-01-20-at-16-56-02.png (https://ibb.co/yBR3bJR)

[Macca]

it may be intended, or said to be intended for use v the likes of terrorism, but could easily say, be used to infiltrate the labour party/snp etc and call it whatever.. no judge to say aye/nae, and of course no comeback

No they do that anyway. What this allows them to do is commit crimes in order to preserve their cover when infiltrating criminal gangs or terrorist groups. Which they do already ofc but this protects them from prosecution for it.

You need rocks in your head to do that job - as the bloke says in Reservoir Dogs - so I'd guess they are having trouble getting volunteers without this legislation in place.

[struth]

No they do that anyway. What this allows them to do is commit crimes in order to preserve their cover when infiltrating criminal gangs or terrorist groups. Which they do already ofc but this protects them from prosecution for it.

You need rocks in your head to do that job - as the bloke says in Reservoir Dogs - so I'd guess they are having trouble getting volunteers without this legislation in place.

yes but in this country you needed a judge to sign it off first legally.

[guy]

BRAVO, mate. Get it RIGHT up 'em!!:exactly: Fukkin Tory scum.

But you can see how things are going, in terms of becoming ever more draconian, can't you?

Marco.

Bit over the top there Marco - Labour leadership have abstained on key votes and Starmer seems to be saying that if he were in power he would do similar:scratch:

[Macca]

yes but in this country you needed a judge to sign it off first legally.

to sign what off?

[struth]

not so sure i think they were told to abstain but i believe they voted with snp and greens

[struth]

to sign what off?

the legality of breaking laws while on covert ops. the case before it starts, technichally needs to go in front of a judge who will sign off certain illegalites of the job he is doing.. murder wont be included of course. that is current law or was...

[Macca]

the legality of breaking laws while on covert ops. the case before it starts, technichally needs to go in front of a judge who will sign off certain illegalites of the job he is doing.. murder wont be included of course. that is current law or was...

Right, I didn't know that.

[mad-moon]

Bit over the top there Marco - Labour leadership have abstained on key votes and Starmer seems to be saying that if he were in power he would do similar:scratch:

They are all fuckin liars...they tell the public what they want to hear, then when they come to power, they tell you to fuck off.....a bit like TSB when you ask for a loan...

[mad-moon]

Big Brother couldn't even manage to set up an effective track and trace system despite chucking billions at it, I think universal surveillance is a pipe dream at best.

If Big Brother wanted to, they could put a satellite over your house, watch you leave and follow you anywhere..

[Filterlab]

If Big Brother wanted to, they could put a satellite over your house, watch you leave and follow you anywhere..

I’d stand outside and read a copy of 1984.

[Macca]

If Big Brother wanted to, they could put a satellite over your house, watch you leave and follow you anywhere..

No, I'd be smuggled out in a roll of carpet. Or something.

[Pigmy Pony]

You can take to the streets if you want, I'll be sat in the warm watching Wheeler Dealers with a can on the go.

:thumbsup: The voice of reason - let the kids do all the "take to the streets" stuff if they want.

[anthonyTD]

We are all in this together, whether we like it or not, eventualy even those who think none of what's going on at the moment will have any affect on them, whether because they think they are safe in the little bubble they have created for themselves, or they just don't care, will i am sure have a rude awakening at some point, until then, keep ignoring things and let all the others worry about it, cos its not your problem, great attitude. :doh:
Sorry folks it needed saying.

[Filterlab]

Well said Anthony.

It's in all of our best interests to do everything possible to prevent the spread. Accept and adapt.

Many people in their lives will have to do that in other regards (like when I went to work as normal and found I'd suddenly been laid off from a £1,400 per week job), it's part of life. And frankly, wearing a mask in a shop is no big thing, nor is staying at home as much as possible and contacting friends via other methods.

It's hardly like being drafted and sent all over the world to fight with guns.

[tapid]

Well said Anthony.

It's in all of our best interests to do everything possible to prevent the spread. Accept and adapt.

Many people in their lives will have to do that in other regards (like when I went to work as normal and found I'd suddenly been laid off from a £1,400 per week job), it's part of life. And frankly, wearing a mask in a shop is no big thing, nor is staying at home as much as possible and contacting friends via other methods.

It's hardly like being drafted and sent all over the world to fight with guns. :thumbsup:

[Macca]

We are all in this together, whether we like it or not, eventualy even those who think none of what's going on at the moment will have any affect on them, whether because they think they are safe in the little bubble they have created for themselves, or they just don't care, will i am sure have a rude awakening at some point, until then, keep ignoring things and let all the others worry about it, cos its not your problem, great attitude. :doh:
Sorry folks it needed saying.

That's assuming that there is anything 'going on' which there almost certainly isn't.

And even if there was there wouldn't be anything you or anyone else could do about it anyway. Worrying about it certainly won't achieve anything. If I wanted to worry about stuff I could find plenty of more immediate concerns.

When I was at University 30 years ago there were some people who were practically hysterical about Bush's 'New World Order' and how we were going to become a police state. Or climate change and how the planet would be inhabitable in a decade if nothing was done. None of it ever happened.

More recently it was Trump becoming President and how it would be world war 3 or some equally absurd fantasy. And here we are 4 years later, and again nothing happened.

When I was a youth you would still see those old blokes wandering the town with their placards 'The End Of The World Is Nigh' - fifty years on and we're still waiting for that to happen too.

And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin.” (Matthew 6:28)

[Beobloke]

Or climate change and how the planet would be inhabitable in a decade if nothing was done. None of it ever happened.


I remember the local paper in Southampton assuring us in the mid 1980s that , by the year 2000, there would be olive groves and lemon trees all over the South Downs and that the Isle of Wight would be completely submerged due to global warming. Neither has happened.

Which is actually a shame on both counts... ;)

[Filterlab]

lWhen I was a youth you would still see those old blokes wandering the town with their placards 'The End Of The World Is Nigh' - fifty years on and we're still waiting for that to happen too.

Christians think that’s every day. Just nonsense IMO.

[struth]

i live on high ground and have plenty food:eyebrows:

it may actually happen to an extent but not so quick as they thought or as bad. but if it does then it does. no point in living like cave man to survive a little longer.. i mean, hand wound hifi is shite

[anthonyTD]

While you've got your bible out, you may want to re-read the story of Noah, plenty with a similar mindset mocked while he built the Ark.;)
That's assuming that there is anything 'going on' which there almost certainly isn't.

And even if there was there wouldn't be anything you or anyone else could do about it anyway. Worrying about it certainly won't achieve anything. If I wanted to worry about stuff I could find plenty of more immediate concerns.

When I was at University 30 years ago there were some people who were practically hysterical about Bush's 'New World Order' and how we were going to become a police state. Or climate change and how the planet would be inhabitable in a decade if nothing was done. None of it ever happened.

More recently it was Trump becoming President and how it would be world war 3 or some equally absurd fantasy. And here we are 4 years later, and again nothing happened.

When I was a youth you would still see those old blokes wandering the town with their placards 'The End Of The World Is Nigh' - fifty years on and we're still waiting for that to happen too.

And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin.” (Matthew 6:28)

[Filterlab]

In other words - who knows what's coming!

[struth]

The postman presumably

[Marco]

That's assuming that there is anything 'going on' which there almost certainly isn't.

And even if there was there wouldn't be anything you or anyone else could do about it anyway.


I largely agree with the former, but if it came about, strongly disagree with the latter. I don't need to tell you that there are numerous historical examples of the power of the people defeating dictatorships and triumphing over oppression, and that will be the case again, if it should ever happen.

Just remember, there are far more of us than there are of them! Even excluding the apathetic or lazy, and scaredy-cats who don't have the belly to fight for their freedoms;)


When I was at University 30 years ago there were some people who were practically hysterical about Bush's 'New World Order' and how we were going to become a police state. Or climate change and how the planet would be inhabitable in a decade if nothing was done. None of it ever happened.


I've told you before mate, that's not how it works.You don't go from one minute living in a free country, to waking up in a police state! If that were to become the reality, it would be accomplished by those responsible in cumulative BABY STEPS.

So who's to say that behind the scenes many of said steps haven't already been successfully taken (covertly building an infrastructure), with some of the effects of that covered up or blamed on other things, so that when everything *is* in place, the BIG step can be taken, as there's no longer any need for those responsible to hide?

Very unlikely I know, but just sayin!:D

However, did you honestly think that in the UK we'd ever have a situation where we've all spent the best part of the last 12 months under virtual house arrest?

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

I largely agree with the former, but if it came about, strongly disagree with the latter. I don't need to tell you that there are numerous historical examples of the power of the people defeating dictatorships and triumphing over oppression, and that will be the case again, if it should ever happen.

Just remember, there are far more of us than there are of them! Even excluding the apathetic or lazy, and scaredy-cats who don't have the belly to fight for their freedoms;)



I've told you before mate, that's not how it works.You don't go from one minute living in a free country, to waking up in a police state! If that were to become the reality, it would be accomplished by those responsible in cumulative BABY STEPS.

So who's to say that behind the scenes many of said steps haven't already been successfully taken (covertly building an infrastructure), with some of the effects of that covered up or blamed on other things, so that when everything *is* in place, the BIG step can be taken, as there's no longer any need for those responsible to hide?

Very unlikely I know, but just sayin!:D

However, did you honestly think that in the UK we'd ever have a situation where we've all spent the best part of the last 12 months under virtual house arrest?

Marco.

I know you have said in previous posts that we would as a nation "take to the streets", in fact I may have read that you would be leading the charge, so I was wondering just which "baby step" might prove to be the tipping point? And what our revolt might look like?

I assume the good fight would take place in the capital. That's 200+ miles. Any chance of a lift? I assume you'd be going in the Brabster, which will carry way more petrol bombs than if we went on the bus :) Or will you be organising a coach trip? What if the revolt clashes with The Great British Bake off? Do you have Sky+? These are all questions that need addressing ;)

[Filterlab]

This sounds like a right good incentive to catch COVID (https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/22/anyone-who-tests-positive-for-covid-could-get-paid-500-13947059/). :D

[walpurgis]

This sounds like a right good incentive to catch COVID (https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/22/anyone-who-tests-positive-for-covid-could-get-paid-500-13947059/). :D

I'd suggest anybody who's survived it will just be incredibly relieved to have done so and not give a toss about the dosh!

[Filterlab]

I had it in Dec ‘19. £500 would have been rather nice. :lol:

[mad-moon]

Marvelous....

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/22/naga-munchetty-pushes-doctor-on-wasted-coronavirus-vaccine-claims-13947229/

[mad-moon]

Typical.....

https://www.shieldsgazette.com/health/coronavirus/south-tyneside-unfairly-punished-amid-claims-north-easts-covid-vaccine-supplies-gps-are-set-be-halved-3108736

[system7]

Entertaining briefing from Boris, Prof. Chris Whitty and Sir. Patrick tonight.

Vaccines remain our best bet for a living future.

I was out and about last night. Fancied some exercise and stargazing at 10 PM.

On my way back saw 6 youths in a group off together. Can't believe they were 5 brothers with one person in the "support bubble".

As I understand it, you only hang around with one significant other outside.

I was tempted to take these idiots on. But, Hell, it's all about self-preservation now. 6-1 ain't good odds. Let them go home and infect Mommy and Daddy. :lol:

[Filterlab]

A huge fire broke out at India’s Serum Institute plant where they are making the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. They’re the largest vaccine manufacturer in the world. Five people died and the plant building has been destroyed.

What did our government say about it? “Global output of the vaccine will not be affected”.

Ummm, yes it will. Morons. Just a stupid comment.

[The Vinyl Adventure]

The sad fact is there are too many people of lower intelligence in this country like the 400 (actually more like 100) who had a wedding reception the other day and the hotel in harrogate that had a new years eve party.

As long as that sort of behaviour goes on we will be in this situation for many many more months to come.

[mad-moon]

and if the film Songbird is anything to go by...we'll have covid 23, and be in our 4th year of lockdown...by 2024

[system7]

A huge fire broke out at India’s Serum Institute plant where they are making the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. They’re the largest vaccine manufacturer in the world. Five people died and the plant building has been destroyed.

What did our government say about it? “Global output of the vaccine will not be affected”.

Ummm, yes it will. Morons. Just a stupid comment.

Clearly the Russians or the Chinese behind this latest misfortune. :lol:

We are awful people. Intent on killing each other.

Me, I don't care. Look after Number One. :D

[Filterlab]

Me, I don't care. Look after Number One. :D

Chesney Hawkes?

[Pigmy Pony]

Chesney Hawkes?

Ah, ol' currant bun face. Wonder what happened to him?

And just to be pedantic, Chesney was the "One and only" (thank God). It's Bob Geldolf who was "Looking after Number One", before he got famous and started curling out number twos :)

[Filterlab]

Ahhhh, good old Bob.

[Barry]

Ahhhh, good old Bob.

Would that be "Honest" Bob - Secretary of State for Housing?

[Filterlab]

That would be “Give us your f***ing money” Bob. :D

[Wakefield Turntables]

Chesney Hawkes?

This is an anagram for Chesey Wank - Just sayin.......

[Barry]

Ah, Sir Bob of Boomtown. An altogether more honest person than the MP "Honest" Rob Jenrick.

[tapid]

I had it in Dec ‘19. £500 would have been rather nice. :lol:

I probably had it in dec 20 Sympathetically ?, it went through the household but I was untouched, so might qualify for the 500 also ( no you won't Bri ) ;)
Strange though that my daughter 23 had it ( relatively mild ) and not me. Although a fairly healthy living cyclist surely my immunity is unlikely to be better than hers :scratch:
Is it possible to live in the same household but not pick up the virus at all ?

[struth]

unless you were tested you could have had it too, or had it earlier and immune.

[Filterlab]

Is it possible to live in the same household but not pick up the virus at all ?

Most definitely. Viruses are oddly particular when it comes to hosts, and proximity doesn’t guarantee infection. When I had pneumonia five years back, the rest of the household were completely untouched.

[Pigmy Pony]

So pneumonia is an infectious disease? I'd always thought it to be a condition brought on by other things. This is why nobody calls me Dr. Steve.

[Macca]

So pneumonia is an infectious disease? I'd always thought it to be a condition brought on by other things. This is why nobody calls me Dr. Steve.

It's a bacterial infection though not a virus so not as easy to transmit as something like Covid.

[tapid]

Most definitely. Viruses are oddly particular when it comes to hosts, and proximity doesn’t guarantee infection. When I had pneumonia five years back, the rest of the household were completely untouched.

Never was much of a host tbh, kick em all out thats what I say ;). Thanks repliers

[Filterlab]

It's a bacterial infection though not a virus so not as easy to transmit as something like Covid.

It’s actually either; bacterial or viral - different strains. Kills over 4,000,000 a year worldwide, so definitely does more damage than COVID.

A common misconception is that it’s caused by getting cold. Don’t know why, ambient temperature has nothing to do with it.

[struth]

yup or indeed fungal.

[mad-moon]

yup or indeed fungal.

What has Mr Sharkey got to do with it??

[Pigmy Pony]

What has Mr Sharkey got to do with it??

Oh dear, Alan. Still, you've a good heart and that's hard to find :)