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mad-moon
17-11-2020, 10:56
A bit like world governments at the moment then ?
Yes. Since the beginning of time, anyone who has power, will make your life a misery to some extent.
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 10:57
That we can agree on!
Since the beginning of time, anyone who has power, will make your life a misery to some extent.
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 10:59
Ha - get it right up ye!:ner:;)
And btw, there's no chance of life totally returning to normal anytime soon, even with a 'vaccine'.
Marco.
Marco., has spoken.
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 11:02
Now, something i thought long and hard about putting up here, but with the current situation being what it is, i feel this is the time to perhaps share some of the stuff that i have been reading up on over the months since all of this started, i hope you will find the article interesting if nothing else, take some time and read the whole article, don't skim through it!
https://thefreedomarticles.com/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-reveals-virus-misconception/
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 11:22
Now, something i thought long and hard about putting up here, but with the current situation being what it is, i feel this is the time to perhaps share some of the stuff that i have been reading up on over the months since all of this started, i hope you will find the article interesting if nothing else, take some time and read the whole article, don't skim through it!
https://thefreedomarticles.com/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-reveals-virus-misconception/
Hmmmm...
An excellent article, Anthony, which should provide any intelligent, openminded (and hopefully still free-thinking) person with a much-needed antidote to the current government brainwashing and propaganda, with regards to this 'pandemic'!:clap:
I like these bits, which I consider as particularly pertinent:
This is why all the COVID propaganda has conveniently glossed over the fact that there are no electron microscope images of SARS-CoV-2, since the electron microscope is an extremely important tool in the 1st step of Koch’s postulates, the identification.
If true, that is most interesting indeed...
The virus misconception has been with us a long time. As insane as the current fear-based, mask-wearing, social-distancing submission is, there are those people who are using Operation Coronavirus as a chance to wake up. While some go deeper into unconsciousness and look to new protective products (“upgrade your mask for our patent-pending powered air-filtration protective shield (N95)”), others have seen the coronavirus coup for what it truly is: a chance to roll out all kinds of control architecture while people sleepwalk in fear. It is always a good idea to question the base assumptions of any governmental pronouncement, because almost always, it can open up a portal that leads to the truth.
Hear, hear!:clap:
The last bit has ALWAYS been my mantra. Too many folks simply just swallow and obey what the government says, instead of, if necessary, CHALLENGING and QUESTIONING it! That's the *only* way to discover the REAL truth, rather than the 'truth" that the 'powers that be' want you to believe instead...
Marco.
Another relevant link: https://www.facebook.com/TheInfectiousMyth/posts/german-court-agrees-wdr-stefan-lanka-the-infectious-myth-guest-that-the-measles-/1855609828014155/
And the most balanced arguments I've seen to date, outlining the pros and cons of mask wearing: https://theinfectiousmyth.com/coronavirus/Masks.php?fbclid=IwAR38HTMOH1GS6jlWz8c-m_pFHlUPMIFClsoiTleXp1wLI5J75k419lKVEns
This bit in particular is spot on, and I'd imagine the vast majority of the population will be guilty of:
“Dr Jenny Harries, a Deputy Chief Medical Officer from the UK, warns that because most members of the public use one mask for an extended period of time, when they take it off at home and put it on a non-sterile surface it becomes contaminated.
What tends to happen is people will have one mask. They won’t wear it all the time, they will take it off when they get home, they will put it down on a surface they haven’t cleaned. Or they will be out and they haven’t washed their hands, they will have a cup of coffee somewhere, they half hook it off, they wipe something over it. In fact, you can actually trap the virus in the mask and start breathing it in."
Exactly!
Marco.
RobbieGong
17-11-2020, 13:24
The bible is an excellent work of fiction, to try and make you fearful.
Errm, nah, not when do not fear is the bible over one hundred times in one form or other ie: 'do not fear them', 'fear not', 'do not be afraid'......
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 13:37
Errm, nah, not when do not fear is the bible over one hundred times in one form or other ie: 'do not fear them', 'fear not', 'do not be afraid'......
Yeah...and I can walk on water..;)...do not be afraid, as you are stoned to death, or nailed to a cross, not that that matters, because you will come back to life in three days time. Believe it , you'll live forever
RobbieGong
17-11-2020, 13:54
Yeah...and I can walk on water..;)...do not be afraid, as you are stoned to death, or nailed to a cross, not that that matters, because you will come back to life in three days time. Believe it , you'll live forever
:) We are a world of believers and non believers.... we we're made with free will and make our choices, thats for sure :)
Guys, I just want to nip this one in the bud before there's any acrimony, as arguments over religion isn't something that usually ends well!;)
So let's leave that one there and return to the main thread topic. Cheers!:cool:
Marco.
Arguments always end badly, nobody wins, but discussion between friends is good IMO. :)
Word on the Street is Cod Liver Oil (Vitamin D) and Mouthwash are good things against the germ.
No idea, but I am stocked up.
Must admit I am pretty careless with my facemask. Just keep it in my back pocket. Steams my glasses up to, which is a problem.
'Flu and Colds are something you can pick up off door handles, then touch your nose.
Covid seems to be less of a contact germ, but I don't know.
hifi_dave
17-11-2020, 14:41
Vitamin D appears to be approved by the NHS but I don't see how mouthwash will help if you have breathed the virus in. It's then in your lungs.
Does no harm, does it. Since it's spread by droplets, a clean mouth might help.
I found this article about exercise interesting and something I take on board.
We are doing far less walking than we did last year:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/nov/06/covid-walking-20000-steps-a-day-changed-my-life?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
20,000 steps a day is quite a lot. About 10 miles if I haven't lost my touch. A walk in the morning and at night can't be bad. Especially since all the other exercise facilities are shut.
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 14:48
Guys, I just want to nip this one in the bud before there's any acrimony, as arguments over religion isn't something that usually ends well!;)
So let's leave that one there and return to the main thread topic. Cheers!:cool:
Marco.
OK Marco...I wouldn't want to be crucified, for my comments...:lol:
...but I don't see how mouthwash will help if you have breathed the virus in. It's then in your lungs.
I guess it's like washing your hands with soap and water or applying hand gel - in this case you're sterilising your mouth, and therefore whilst it remains in that state, germs [associated with the virus], potentially otherwise present in your mouth, from what you've been breathing in, won't have an adverse effect.
In that respect, as it's my belief that said germs also stick to your skin (face in particular, secreted by sweat glands), I'm now washing myself, particularly my face [as well as using mouthwash, brushing both my tongue and teeth], more regularly than usual.
Marco.
OK Marco...I wouldn't want to be crucified, for my comments...:lol:
Droll...;)
Marco.
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 15:06
OK Marco...I wouldn't want to be crucified, for my comments...:lol:
Yeah...this was mentioned by Grant earlier in the thread...the more these subjects are becoming increasingly non PC., rammed down our necks and we are stifled..the more people become over sensitive to said subjects and tempers are fraying even more so..I was never a racist, but of late I'm finding myself thinking about it...
You're on your own with the latter... But the rest is a valid point. However, that's not why discussions here about religion aren't welcome. It's simply because the respective views from both 'believers and non-believers' are usually way too entrenched to facilitate any meaningful discussion, and things can quickly turn personal.
Marco.
I am going to settle down and watch https://www.ukcolumn.org/ today.
It's going to be heavy going I am sure. And they DO get stuff wildly wrong. Their item about the Army rolling into Liverpool last week was Tosh. The Army are doing mass testing and are a chjeap and available resource to do it. Not a coup.
But makes you think.
mad-moon
17-11-2020, 15:31
I am going to settle down and watch https://www.ukcolumn.org/ today.
It's going to be heavy going I am sure. And they DO get stuff wildly wrong. Their item about the Army rolling into Liverpool last week was Tosh. The Army are doing mass testing and are a chjeap and available resource to do it. Not a coup.
But makes you think.
That would be an extreme measure and I'd hate to see the army called in..but it may come to that, if the peoples don't comply
Bar the Edinburgh area central Scotland is moved to level 4, so near lockdown.
Can see point for through west but although still too high we were moving in right direction.
Oh well, it won't affect me much if at all tbh.
Just had my frozen grub delivered and have fresh coming on Thursday.
Got a few organised for the boy too.
Oh and whisky delivered too [emoji23]
That would be an extreme measure and I'd hate to see the army called in..but it may come to that, if the peoples don't comply
No chance - there would be total anarchy, as the polls I've seen show that nearly half the population are anti having it - and vehemently so for good reason! I'd be at the helm of the people's revolt, trust me;)
Quite honestly, I'd shoot anyone who tried to FORCE such a vaccine on me, and take the consequences - I kid you not!! Nothing like that should EVER be made mandatory in a free, democratic country. Not only that, it's totally unethical, immoral and against one's human rights.
Especially in a futile attempt to 'eradicate' a virus that for the vast majority of the world's population will not be fatal. What next - mandatory euthanasia when, for heatlth and/or financial reasons, you've become too much of a burden on the state?:eek: Just stop and think for a moment what the authorities could impose upon us in future, if WE ALLOW them to make vaccines mandatory.....
Me thinks you need to calm down a bit, as you're blowing the situation vastly out of all proportion.
As for compliance towards rules [also subservience and acquiescence], there's been far too much already among the general public [largely because of incessant government and media fear mongering], and that's a big part of what's caused the situation were currently in, in terms of having created an increased control architecture, along with potentially greater ability for us to be spied upon or ruled by the state in future - something you unfortunately don't seem willing or able to grasp.
Marco.
No chance - there would be total anarchy, as stats show that nearly half the population are anti having it - and vehemently so for good reason! I'd be at the helm of the people's revolt, trust me;)
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Three in four Britons would take the Covid vaccine according to Daily Mail poll
Only 7 per cent of people said they would not have it under any circumstances
Four in ten said PM and politicians should take vaccine first to show it was safe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935533/Three-four-Britons-Covid-19-vaccine-Boris.
I like the idea that the politicians should take it first - or maybe their children? Perhaps Cordelia Gummer could be wheeled out again, assuming she survived the burger that is.
dont see the army being called up... not sure boris would try that on.. it would be a foolish move as would enforcing a vaccine. non vaccinated folk could be denied access to foreign travel tho, but that would be as much to do with foreign countries.
Three in four Britons would take the Covid vaccine according to Daily Mail poll
Only 7 per cent of people said they would not have it under any circumstances
Four in ten said PM and politicians should take vaccine first to show it was safe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935533/Three-four-Britons-Covid-19-vaccine-Boris.
I like the idea that the politicians should take it first - or maybe their children? Perhaps Cordelia Gummer could be wheeled out again, assuming she survived the burger that is.
indeed if they say its safe then they and families should take it first; also the royals, then health workers and all the folk who worked on drug.:) transparency is always vital
Three in four Britons would take the Covid vaccine according to Daily Mail poll
Only 7 per cent of people said they would not have it under any circumstances
Four in ten said PM and politicians should take vaccine first to show it was safe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935533/Three-four-Britons-Covid-19-vaccine-Boris.
I like the idea that the politicians should take it first - or maybe their children? Perhaps Cordelia Gummer could be wheeled out again, assuming she survived the burger that is.
Sadly Cordelia..... is now a mad cow... you done well to remember her name though. Thought I was the king of trivia
princess nut nut too:lol: and of course cummings should be first;)
Three in four Britons would take the Covid vaccine according to Daily Mail poll
Only 7 per cent of people said they would not have it under any circumstances
Four in ten said PM and politicians should take vaccine first to show it was safe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8935533/Three-four-Britons-Covid-19-vaccine-Boris.
I like the idea that the politicians should take it first - or maybe their children? Perhaps Cordelia Gummer could be wheeled out again, assuming she survived the burger that is.
The Daily Mail? You're not seriously citing that useless rag as a source of any accuracy?:D
Most of the polls I've seen show around 40% of the population are against having it. In any case, for me the bigger the take up the better, as it'll keep the government happy and leave the rest of us to get on with it.
As for the last bit, hear, hear... I vote for Bill Gates and his kids to take the first shots live on TV!;)
Problem is, how would you know they'd be getting the same thing as everyone else...??
Marco.
dont see the army being called up... not sure boris would try that on.. it would be a foolish move as would enforcing a vaccine. non vaccinated folk could be denied access to foreign travel tho, but that would be as much to do with foreign countries.
Possibly, but that would be a small price to pay, in my view (and also in future potentially waived if/when CV19 becomes no more dangerous than flu), in return for alleviating the risk from a potentially unsafe vaccine.
Marco.
The Daily Mail? You're not seriously citing that useless rag as a source of any accuracy?:D
Most of the polls I've seen show around 45% of the population are against having it. In any case, for me the bigger the take up the better, as it'll keep the government happy and leave the rest of us to get on with it.
As for the last bit, hear, hear... I vote for Bill Gates and his kids to take the first shots live on TV!;)
Marco.
Okay here is another one showing 63% will take it. https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/18866383.poll-will-get-coronavirus-vaccine-becomes-available/
Another with 52 % https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/covid-19-vaccine-over-half-of-respondents-to-tele-poll-would-be-vaccinated/
CNN poll in USA = 51% https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/05/health/covid-19-vaccine-willingness-cnn-poll-wellness/index.html
i will take it but i wont be first, for several reasons... my peace of mind for one, but will be happy to get it in the end of first or second issue. i think with more than one available age and health will probably decide who gets what. ive been getting flu jabs for many years and never had an issue. last time i caught flu was a year i caught it a week before my injection typically.
Okay here is another one showing 63% will take it. https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/18866383.poll-will-get-coronavirus-vaccine-becomes-available/
Another with 52 % https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/covid-19-vaccine-over-half-of-respondents-to-tele-poll-would-be-vaccinated/
CNN poll in USA = 51% https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/05/health/covid-19-vaccine-willingness-cnn-poll-wellness/index.html
Fair enough... One that I seen where it was very close, marginally in favour of taking it, was on AOL, but that likely wasn't just based on the UK.
In any case, that's good news, as the deserving and justified most at risk from this virus *should* be taking the vaccine (if it's actually as effective as claimed), if catching it would almost certainly kill them (as if that applied to me, I'd be the same). And if the sheep make up the rest, then it'll keep the government's controlling behaviour at bay, as they'll be getting what they want, so the rest of us can carry on with our lives without being 'pressured' into playing along:)
Marco.
I said before I really don't think there is any prospect of the vaccine being made compulsory in the UK. Would be happy to make a sizeable bet on that.
I know... The Welsh health minister when questioned about that yesterday utterly refuted it, not just denied it. And I'm sure the same would apply to Hat Mancock. I just like ramming home how WRONG such a thing would be, on many levels, and winding up idiots who are daft enough to disagree!:D
IMO, such action could NEVER be justified, unless we truly did have a *properly deadly* virus that was threatening to completely wipe out the human race, and a genuinely effective vaccine was the only option to survive. I might consider it then;)
Marco.
I think there will be some economic and social pressure to comply.
I never minded vaccines. Better than illness. I must have had Polio, Smallpox, MMR and Tetanus Jabs.
Too late on MMR I suspect. My brother lost the hearing in one ear to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles.
Read about it.
Nasty thing. We all caught mumps and the milder Rubella aka German Measles. Meningitis jabs were controversial recently, but Meningitis is a disgusting illness.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ was heavy going as expected. Thuggish Cops in Cornwall at demonstrations. The Cops became paramilitary years ago.
But I am picking up the pattern of this whole thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1k5DBoeGuA
For the interested student.
I think there will be some economic and social pressure to comply...
In terms of what exactly? And do you think they'd get away with anything as draconian as that in the UK, without mass protests and/or riots? I doubt it! People here like their freedom too much and don't like being bossed around. There have already been mass protests all over the UK, over lockdowns, never mind anything else.
In any case, that's what organisations such as Big Brother Watch are for: https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/
;)
Marco.
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 18:42
From the same page Steve.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid-19-data-exposing-deception
I think there will be some economic and social pressure to comply.
I never minded vaccines. Better than illness. I must have had Polio, Smallpox, MMR and Tetanus Jabs.
Too late on MMR I suspect. My brother lost the hearing in one ear to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles.
Read about it.
Nasty thing. We all caught mumps and the milder Rubella aka German Measles. Meningitis jabs were controversial recently, but Meningitis is a disgusting illness.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ was heavy going as expected. Thuggish Cops in Cornwall at demonstrations. The Cops became paramilitary years ago.
But I am picking up the pattern of this whole thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1k5DBoeGuA
For the interested student.
anthonyTD
17-11-2020, 18:44
From the same article.
Mark’s research reveals an ASMR of 4.6 per 100,000; somewhat less than the 16.6 per 100,000 reported by ONS.
The average percentage chance of Covid-19 mortality for the working population is 0.0046%. This is three and half times lower than the official ONS ASMR implies.
This strongly suggests that, of the 48,158 reported deaths "due" to Covid-19, the real number is closer to 13,759. A discrepancy of 34,399. A figure which has been mentioned before.
I have had two elderly people die of this germ in my social circle of about 100.
And have talked to Nurses who get very cross with people who doubt the danger of this germ.
But as Nietsche said: " The more you stare into the Abyss, the more it stares back at you."
I have quite a strong stomach for horror, so am giving it a go.
My own opinion is that the UK is being turned into a Totalitarian State.
It actually has never been all sweetness and roses.
The big picture is in the last link I gave. I recently left the defence industry, but was never in the inner circle.
But it all adds up. It may not even be the worst option. It's a mean World we live in.
Watch these videos - they're enlightening on a number of levels, and no doubt the face of things to come, if things continue as they are:
https://youtu.be/F1efObxDlSs
https://youtu.be/UZ8t9FIC90A
https://youtu.be/LWSjQZh_sis
And you think that folk would just 'sit back and take it', if the government tried to 'penalise' people for not taking a vaccine? DREAM ON!
Civil war would ensue... We may not be far off of it even now. As detailed rather astutely in one of the comments underneath the YT videos in question: "Once the ‘financial depression’ starts to dig in [from all the lockdowns] that’s when the real anger and anxiety is going to erupt! Buckle up people, it’s going to be a very rough 2021".
Indeed! The question you have to ask yourself is why hasn't any of this been shown on the BBC news? That's largely a rhetorical question, of course... There have been recent mass protests like this taking place all over the country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1efObxDlSs
...yet unless I've missed it, not a dicky bird! As I've repeatedly said, it's: Censorship City.
Marco.
Well, that was heavy going. Did I spot an armed Policeman at 1:43 in the Whitehall demo? :eek:
At least the Liverpool and Bristol cops were wearing identifiable PC-xxx badges. But were too fired up.
I don't know if I was rubbish, but a rarely got into a scrap when employed as an enforcer. I found you could persuade. Kept it calm. But my boss hated me. Preferred the strong-arm stuff. :scratch:
The Cops ain't what they used to be. Not Dixon of Dock Green. All he needed was a whistle and a truncheon and a dark uniform and that lovely hat and a calm demeanor. :lol:
Mikeandvan
17-11-2020, 20:34
No chance - there would be total anarchy, as the polls I've seen show that nearly half the population are anti having it - and vehemently so for good reason! I'd be at the helm of the people's revolt, trust me;)
Quite honestly, I'd shoot anyone who tried to FORCE such a vaccine on me, and take the consequences - I kid you not!! Nothing like that should EVER be made mandatory in a free, democratic country. Not only that, it's totally unethical, immoral and against one's human rights.
Especially in a futile attempt to 'eradicate' a virus that for the vast majority of the world's population will not be fatal. What next - mandatory euthanasia when, for heatlth and/or financial reasons, you've become too much of a burden on the state?:eek: Just stop and think for a moment what the authorities could impose upon us in future, if WE ALLOW them to make vaccines mandatory.....
Me thinks you need to calm down a bit, as you're blowing the situation vastly out of all proportion.
As for compliance towards rules [also subservience and acquiescence], there's been far too much already among the general public [largely because of incessant government and media fear mongering], and that's a big part of what's caused the situation were currently in, in terms of having created an increased control architecture, along with potentially greater ability for us to be spied upon or ruled by the state in future - something you unfortunately don't seem willing or able to grasp.
Marco.
I largely agree with the caveat that if the virus posed a very grave danger to everyone and not just the old and frail then mandatory vaccinations would be justifiable, by a pandemics nature, if you don't vaccinate yourself you infect others, possibly.
Mikeandvan
17-11-2020, 20:46
All indiscretions will be punished. The 'Wokes' are waiting to pounce and will 'Cancel' offenders.
Don't think I'm exaggerating or joking, there's a whole aggressive movement out there wanting to wreak their wrath on people who thought they were acting innocently or harmlessly. All for political gain of course, students and far left in the thick of it naturally..
If you don't know what I'm getting at, do a little Googling. You'll see.
They are the new puritans, weirdly cos they criticise religion, yet then act with the same unquestioning moral fervour that wouldn't be out of place in the Spanish inquisition. They try to convert normal people to woke people, instead of preaching, they threaten with defamation, economic punishment, or good old fashioned shame (doxxing).
Mikeandvan
17-11-2020, 20:47
Watch these videos - they're enlightening on a number of levels, and no doubt the face of things to come, if things continue as they are:
https://youtu.be/F1efObxDlSs
https://youtu.be/UZ8t9FIC90A
https://youtu.be/LWSjQZh_sis
And you think that folk would just 'sit back and take it', if the government tried to 'penalise' people for not taking a vaccine? DREAM ON!
Civil war would ensue... We may not be far off of it even now. As detailed rather astutely in one of the comments underneath the YT videos in question: "Once the ‘financial depression’ starts to dig in [from all the lockdowns] that’s when the real anger and anxiety is going to erupt! Buckle up people, it’s going to be a very rough 2021".
Indeed! The question you have to ask yourself is why hasn't any of this been shown on the BBC news? That's largely a rhetorical question, of course... There have been recent mass protests like this taking place all over the country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1efObxDlSs
...yet unless I've missed it, not a dicky bird!
Marco.
Weirdly, I don't remember the police acting that way back in summer with the BLM or Extinction rebellion protests.
I largely agree with the caveat that if the virus posed a very grave danger to everyone and not just the old and frail then mandatory vaccinations would be justifiable, by a pandemics nature, if you don't vaccinate yourself you infect others, possibly.
Not after the virus *itself* dies out [although not the excuse it could still present 'the powers that be' to attempt enforcing more draconian rules], but as an entity of sufficient danger to the health or lives of the population]. It inevitably WILL die out (and soon, as it's been with us now for a year), and as other forms of coronavirus (such as MERS) eventually did within 2 years.
Therefore, one would assume that by then everyone who needed/wanted a vaccine will have had it, thus be considered as 'immune', and with new infections virtually non-existent, it ceases to be a problem.
And of course if the figures Anthony quoted earlier on mortality rates are true, then in reality there *IS* NO pandemic.....
Marco.
Weirdly, I don't remember the police acting that way back in summer with the BLM or Extinction rebellion protests.
Exactly... And I wonder why?:hmm: Fukkin obvious, innit!
Marco.
Police have been recruiting thugs for years. Started with cutbacks in Wages and Numbers. They ditched the traditionally respected Uniform.
The Public no longer trust them.
Mike, I do think you are getting overexcited here. :lol:
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
snip:
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---
A Portsmouth Lad, as it goes. Keep Calm and Carry on.
Be alright. :D
Stryder5
17-11-2020, 22:01
I just have to revert to the questionable isolation of COVID-19 virus?
“So basically, mainstream Chinese scientists who work under the same theory as mainstream Western scientists invented a new theoretical model for SARS-CoV-2, and proclaimed a novel coronavirus, but all without the electron micrographs to actually back it up.
Instead we are fed CGIs and told not to question authority. Is this science or is this faith-based Scientism?
Gary
Gary, I only say this because I want you to be a better writer. You have fallen into the usual writer's trap of using jargon that most people don't understand:
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-single-reason-why-people-can-t-write-according-to-a-harvard-psychologist?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
Even I had to look up CGI to guess what you are trying to say. And I've been round the block a few times.
I could be wrong on this, but Covid-19 is not the main event. We are in a hybrid war with China and Russia. Not the old-fashioned war of tanks and soldiers.
These people are not our friends. I am sure Chinese and Russian Scientists are as good as us. But their leadership stinks.
And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
Everybody knows that it's moving fast
Hope I am not being obscure. It's not the same old World anymore. It's much more devious.
Mikeandvan
18-11-2020, 00:33
Gary, I only say this because I want you to be a better writer. You have fallen into the usual writer's trap of using jargon that most people don't understand:
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-single-reason-why-people-can-t-write-according-to-a-harvard-psychologist?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
Even I had to look up CGI to guess what you are trying to say. And I've been round the block a few times.
I could be wrong on this, but Covid-19 is not the main event. We are in a hybrid war with China and Russia. Not the old-fashioned war of tanks and soldiers.
These people are not our friends. I am sure Chinese and Russian Scientists are as good as us. But their leadership stinks.
Hope I am not being obscure. It's not the same old World anymore. It's much more devious.
What do you think China wants from us apart from our consumer spending? Russia is an increasingly irrelevant country.
What you really have to think about is the Hydrogen Bomb.
Who has got it?
America.
Russia.
China.
France.
Blighty aka duplicitous Albion.
Israel.
India.
Pakistan.
South Africa has dropped out.
North Korea might have it but can't deliver an atomic warhead over a good distance.
Iran wants some, but it will never be allowed.
We are reduced to Proxy Wars. Nobody is going to start a Nuclear War. All the action is going to be with conventional weapons.
All great fun. Happily the Brits still build the best Ships. But have become beholden to overpriced US planes.
Stryder5
18-11-2020, 09:05
Gary, I only say this because I want you to be a better writer. You have fallen into the usual writer's trap of using jargon that most people don't understand:
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-single-reason-why-people-can-t-write-according-to-a-harvard-psychologist?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
Even I had to look up CGI to guess what you are trying to say. And I've been round the block a few times.
I could be wrong on this, but Covid-19 is not the main event. We are in a hybrid war with China and Russia. Not the old-fashioned war of tanks and soldiers.
These people are not our friends. I am sure Chinese and Russian Scientists are as good as us. But their leadership stinks.
Hope I am not being obscure. It's not the same old World anymore. It's much more devious.
Thanks for this Steve, I think that acronyms are now commonplace but I apologise if you didn’t understand. We are guilty of using them, even on forums such as this (VTI, IGD etc.) so I guess complacency creeps in.
I think your wrong about who or what we are being challenged with, given your links I’m surprised at your conclusion.
Gary
anthonyTD
18-11-2020, 09:38
Stress as many doctors, and those in the scientific world will tell us is a real killer, our body is a finely tuned machine, it relies on the correct balance of bacteria, acid, potassium, etc, etc, to maintain health and well being, Stress has been identified as one of the main catalysts for disrupting that fine balance, and for the last ten months or so' we have had nothing but STRESS,STRESS, STRESS, the imbalance in our make up caused by stress can eventualy lead to serious illness, every change in the body affects everything else, to a more or lesser degree, the mind is a very powerful thing, depending on how it uses the information its given, it can elate us, or it can depress us, when you are continually bombarded with negativity, over extended periods it can/will lead to catastrophic failure of the mechanism that is responsible for keeping us healthy.
walpurgis
18-11-2020, 10:01
Stress as many doctors, and those in the scientific world will tell us is a real killer.
I suffered badly from work stress when in my thirties. One day, I just decided to mentally say bollocks to it all....... and it worked! Since then, I just chill out and let others do the worrying.
Mikeandvan
18-11-2020, 11:05
What you really have to think about is the Hydrogen Bomb.
Who has got it?
America.
Russia.
China.
France.
Blighty aka duplicitous Albion.
Israel.
India.
Pakistan.
South Africa has dropped out.
North Korea might have it but can't deliver an atomic warhead over a good distance.
Iran wants some, but it will never be allowed.
We are reduced to Proxy Wars. Nobody is going to start a Nuclear War. All the action is going to be with conventional weapons.
All great fun. Happily the Brits still build the best Ships. But have become beholden to overpriced US planes.
Let's hope Russia doesn't become so insignificant that it threatens its stability, it borders a few Muslim states, and nuclear weapons in those maniacs hands could finish us all. Though from our viewpoint in the west we are missing how much the axis of power is drifting eastwards, it all could be out of our hands soon, as the Chinese expand territory, I read this week about a border dispute with India.
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 11:06
Stress as many doctors, and those in the scientific world will tell us is a real killer, our body is a finely tuned machine, it relies on the correct balance of bacteria, acid, potassium, etc, etc, to maintain health and well being, Stress has been identified as one of the main catalysts for disrupting that fine balance, and for the last ten months or so' we have had nothing but STRESS,STRESS, STRESS, the imbalance in our make up caused by stress can eventualy lead to serious illness, every change in the body affects everything else, to a more or lesser degree, the mind is a very powerful thing, depending on how it uses the information its given, it can elate us, or it can depress us, when you are continually bombarded with negativity, over extended periods it can/will lead to catastrophic failure of the mechanism that is responsible for keeping us healthy.
Excellent post..this is the biggest killer of all..I had a heart attack at age 37, self inflicted, working hard and playing very hard..I was smoking and drinking excessively and eating absolute crap, putting huge amounts of stress on my body, working my way to the heart attack. Afterwards after a week in hospital having my heart regulated, I stopped drinking, smoking and started a healhier eating plan almost instantly...I have a myriad of medical conditions now...but I've reached age 59 so far...I'd love to see another 20 years, but I'm sceptical...Al..
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 11:13
What do you think China wants from us apart from our consumer spending? Russia is an increasingly irrelevant country.
Yes China is the industrial capital of the world..I hope trade with them never ceases. We are surrounded in our everyday lives by products, all with Chinese components in them, all cheap and to the most, very reliable. As for Russia being irrelevant, I don't think so. When they become buddies with China, they will take over the world...
walpurgis
18-11-2020, 11:15
Sporting activity is very good for relieving stress. I took up judo and weight training and felt so much better.
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 11:45
Sporting activity is very good for relieving stress. I took up judo and weight training and felt so much better.
That's great that you are still able to exercise Geoff. Here's wishing you many more years of exercising and better health..
Excellent post..this is the biggest killer of all..I had a heart attack at age 37, self inflicted, working hard and playing very hard..I was smoking and drinking excessively and eating absolute crap, putting huge amounts of stress on my body, working my way to the heart attack. Afterwards after a week in hospital having my heart regulated, I stopped drinking, smoking and started a healhier eating plan almost instantly...I have a myriad of medical conditions now...but I've reached age 59 so far...I'd love to see another 20 years, but I'm sceptical...Al..
Wow, that's a crock of shit to deal with. I am not guaranteeing this, because it is all personally experimental, but losing weight extends life. I read this in the Atkins Diet book and lived on Nuts and Cottage Cheese for two weeks and lost two Stone in 3 months. So far so good. Backache gone. Move faster.
Sport and exercise and listening to music must help too. Apparently Orchestra Conductors usually make it to 90 or more.
But I am struggling without my favourite and relaxing swimming. Can't do it right now.
Yes China is the industrial capital of the world..I hope trade with them never ceases. We are surrounded in our everyday lives by products, all with Chinese components in them, all cheap and to the most, very reliable. As for Russia being irrelevant, I don't think so. When they become buddies with China, they will take over the world...
Items made in China on behalf of Western manufacturers, and to their designs, are usually very reliable. But the majority of items made in China by Chinese manufacturers to their own designs are poorly made and unreliable. I have had a string of Chinese DVD players that have regularly failed after 18 months. Admittedly they were inexpensive, so I was content to replace them - but to avoid the inconvenience I bought a decent player which has lasted over 10 years.
If you think Chines made products are good, you should see the shoddy crap they dump on Africa.
Excellent post..this is the biggest killer of all..I had a heart attack at age 37, self inflicted, working hard and playing very hard..I was smoking and drinking excessively and eating absolute crap, putting huge amounts of stress on my body, working my way to the heart attack. Afterwards after a week in hospital having my heart regulated, I stopped drinking, smoking and started a healhier eating plan almost instantly...I have a myriad of medical conditions now...but I've reached age 59 so far...I'd love to see another 20 years, but I'm sceptical...Al..
Really sorry to hear that, Alan. A lot of folks are the same, and if I could push a button for you to make it all go away, including the suffering you've had, I would.
To put things into perspective though, from my position, and why I'm reluctant to take a vaccine for this virus, which btw would apply to ANY such 'jab' involving pumping my body full of chemicals and stuff that isn't part of my biological makeup, even in normal times, my situation is (and has been) rather different from yours.
You're spot on about stress being today's No1 killer, and with how the world's going, that's only set to get worse. When I was self-employed running my own business full time, from 1996-2005, and my wife was on a fairly low wage then, and we had a considerable mortgage to pay (back then around £850 a month), as we lived in a fairly posh part of Glasgow, not to mention all the other outgoings, including a hefty level of Council Tax, the pressure on me to generate enough income every month to pay the bills and survive was immense, as I didn't have the security of a steady income.
And when it went badly, as businesses often do for periods of time, the stress was considerable, so much so that it nearly led to us losing the house because we were defaulting on mortgage payments, and also had accrued considerable debt on credit cards, mainly to 'fund' the business in lean times (the classic case of 'robbing Peter to pay Paul'), and with bailiffs calling at the door, etc. Life certainly wasn't a bed of roses.
However, I sorted things and eventually, with lots of hard graft and often working 7 days a week, including 'all nighters', I managed to build a very successful business, which is partly the reason I'm able to enjoy the lifestyle I have now. And I made a vow for things NEVER again to get that way, so made the decision to shift my focus onto what matters in life MOST: and that's NOT money, but TIME to spend with family and friends and do things *I* enjoy doing, not want someone else wants me to do, even if it meant less disposable income, and haven't looked back since!
So I know all about stress, as I suffered years of it trying to make ends meet, but there are different stresses on people now for a whole host of reasons, mostly technology related, so I'm very sympathetic towards those who are in that respect trapped in the modern 'rat race', with seemingly no way out. However, going back to vaccines and drugs/medicines in general...
Even though I've suffered from stress at key points in my life, I wasn't brought up with it and had a great childhood in every way, and consequently enjoyed a healthy diet from day one (as my mum was a great cook, and with our Italian culture, it was nearly always fresh produce we ate), have never smoked (the first puff I had of a 'fag' in secondary school, and the rancid taste, was enough to put me off for life), and have never drank to excess or taken any major drugs (apart from a few joints and some 'mushies' during me teenage years), and have always looked after myself physically and kept myself fit.
I've also been fortunate never to have had a any bad accidents that have compromised my health or mobility, or worked in any conditions that have had an adverse effect on my health, as being a salesman, most of the time I was indoors and not out in all weathers doing anything that was physically exerting - all of which has meant that since I was born I've never been used to being ill or being treated for this or that, or needing any forms of medication, and so all that stuff is alien to me. Consequently, I've managed to reach the age of 55, without suffering from any serious ailments (and TBH, feeling and looking at least 10 years younger), simply because of the lifestyle I'm fortunate to have had.
I'm not saying that to brag or feel smug (as that's NOT me); but simply telling it as it is... Therefore, that's largely why I'm just not predisposed (or used to) taking ANY form of medication whatsoever. As I said before, I even have to force myself to take paracetamol, on the odd occasion I get a headache! Therefore, I just don't like filling my body with chemicals of any description, as I've never needed to, so vaccines come under that category.
Let's face it, sadly the majority of people today are 'fucked', in terms of their overall health, due to having had a bad diet or suffered from an unhealthy lifestyle in some other way, or unfortunately had their health fatally damaged by serious illness/side effects of drugs, so taking a vaccine for Covid is therefore no big deal, simply because they've got nothing much to lose. Essentially, if your body is already 'fucked', then what difference will taking a largely untried vaccine make? Any risk attached to that is outweighed by the potential for the protection it could offer.
So I get that... But, can you also see how in my position the thinking is rather different, as potentially if it's not 100% safe, I'd have much more to lose... Therefore, that's why I'm anti the taking of this vaccine, or indeed any others, unless it was absolutely essential in order for me to survive, regardless of any 'conspiracy theories' attached to the current one and the situation we're all in with Covid-19.
Anyway, I just thought I'd outline my position in this matter, so I hope you can see where I'm coming from:cool:
Marco
Vaccines don't contain chemicals.
Usually they will comprise part of the pathogen (an antigen) accompanied by an adjuvant which makes the vaccine more effective. Usually some form of fat or sugar.
The worst case with a vaccine is that you get some of the symptoms of the pathogen, so might feel a bit off for a couple of days.
Yah, Marco. Much of what you do is right. But I've got to agree with Martin here.
There's a relevant saying about a self-made man which shall come to me eventually. They can judge things wrong.
But Vaccines have saved the world from much misery. Science is keeping us afloat.
It's not the first time we have encountered a germ:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
Problem is this variant has come out of the blue. What the Stock Market calls a "Black Swan".
I'd have hated to live in the C15. Rotten Teeth. Erupting and pustulent skin. Plague. What about Leprosy?
We are actually quite lucky right now. I'd have probably been dead three times over but for Medical Science.
Whooping Cough, Tonsils and adenoids, and Appendicitis might have had me.
Vaccines don't contain chemicals.
Usually they will comprise part of the pathogen (an antigen) accompanied by an adjuvant which makes the vaccine more effective. Usually some form of fat or sugar.
The worst case with a vaccine is that you get some of the symptoms of the pathogen, so might feel a bit off for a couple of days.
But you're still pumping stuff into your body that's alien to it and not meant to be there, chemicals or not, and that's the whole point. There are also potential long-term side effects. It's not unknown for vaccines to go wrong, so I neither want nor need to take that risk!:)
Marco.
Yah, Marco. Much of what you do is right. But I've got to agree with Martin here.
There's a relevant saying about a self-made man which shall come to me eventually. They can judge things wrong.
But Vaccines have saved the world from much misery. Science is keeping us afloat.
It's not the first time we have encountered a germ:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
Problem is this variant has come out of the blue. What the Stock Market calls a "Black Swan".
I'd have hated to live in the C15. Rotten Teeth. Erupting and pustulent skin. Plague. What about Leprosy?
We are actually quite lucky right now. I'd have probably been dead three times over but for Medical Science.
Whooping Cough, Tonsils and adenoids, and Appendicitis might have had me.
Sure, although no doubt some of the stuff Anthony and others here have studied recently would challenge the claimed efficacy of vaccines, I'm simply outlining things from a personal perspective:)
Marco.
But you're still pumping stuff into your body that's alien to it and not meant to be there, chemicals or not, and that's the whole point. I neither want nor need that shit!:)
Marco.
I understand that. But consider:
1) The vaccine will not do you any harm, you are, as you say, in good health and fitness.
2) it will prevent you from catching C-19. Although you are fit and healthy, fit and healthy people a lot younger than you have died from it because they copped a big dose. It's not impossible that you could also get a big dose of it and die.
3) By taking it you help other people, as it assists in herd immunity, So people who are not in good health and are at serious risk are less likely to catch it. Once herd immunity is established then the risk to them disappears.
It's always been my view that the strong have a duty to protect the weak. (This is probably due to watching John Wayne westerns as a young child). Therefore although I don't need to take the vaccine any more than you do I will have it when my turn comes round. If I feel a bit lousy for a couple of days I can live with that as I'll have done my bit.
Most of us just doing the best we can with a World that is sort of New to all of us. :lol:
One of the most interesting ideas I have encountered recently is "Fixed Mindset" versus "Growth Mindset".
https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/29/carol-dweck-mindset/
Who is smart? The person who says "I know the answer". Or the one who says " I don't know, but I am going to find out?"
I understand that. But consider:
1) The vaccine will not do you any harm, you are, as you say, in good health and fitness.
2) it will prevent you from catching C-19. Although you are fit and healthy, fit and healthy people a lot younger than you have died from it because they copped a big dose. It's not impossible that you could also get a big dose of it and die.
Sure, but those are all chances (after thoroughly assessing the potential risks) I'm willing to take.
3) By taking it you help other people, as it assists in herd immunity, So people who are not in good health and are at serious risk are less likely to catch it. Once herd immunity is established then the risk to them disappears.
I agree, and if I was convinced it was safe [which unfortunately I'm not], that would've been a big factor in me taking it.
But I'm also (as we've discussed recently elsewhere) a big believer in letting NATURE take its course, with the minimum necessary intervention from man, as sadly too often now we seem to be working AGAINST nature, rather than in harmony with it (something that irks me greatly), and therefore I believe that herd immunity will occur in time, naturally with this virus, without the need for vaccines.
It's always been my view that the strong have a duty to protect the weak. (This is probably due to watching John Wayne westerns as a young child). Therefore although I don't need to take the vaccine any more than you do I will have it when my turn comes round. If I feel a bit lousy for a couple of days I can live with that as I'll have done my bit.
I get that and agree. And if that's all that I thought could happen, then I'd do the same, but I simply don't trust those behind the current ones and therefore how safe, in terms of potential side effects, the vaccines will be both in the short, and most importantly, LONG term (something you don't seem to be considering), as I intend on being around for a LONG time yet!
My granddad lived until he was 95, and was fit as a fiddle for most of it, and dad's 87 and exactly the same, therefore I'm planning on outdoing them both, and ENJOYING a fulfilling, FREE and fun-filled life for as much of that as possible!!:champagne::D
Marco.
Most of us just doing the best we can with a World that is sort of New to all of us. :lol:
One of the most interesting ideas I have encountered recently is "Fixed Mindset" versus "Growth Mindset".
https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/29/carol-dweck-mindset/
Who is smart? The person who says "I know the answer". Or the one who says " I don't know, but I am going to find out?"
Usually the latter... Often those who like to think they're smart arses, will try and bullshit the answer, rather than admit that they don't know!! Never had any time for folk like that:wanker:
One should embrace and acknowledge one's limitations, always be willing to learn, and never be afraid of being wrong or making mistakes. Pride or ego shouldn't come into it!:)
Marco.
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 15:00
Items made in China on behalf of Western manufacturers, and to their designs, are usually very reliable. But the majority of items made in China by Chinese manufacturers to their own designs are poorly made and unreliable. I have had a string of Chinese DVD players that have regularly failed after 18 months. Admittedly they were inexpensive, so I was content to replace them - but to avoid the inconvenience I bought a decent player which has lasted over 10 years.
If you think Chines made products are good, you should see the shoddy crap they dump on Africa.
Then you should have bought a DVD player built to western manufacturers specs right from the start...how many Chinese DVD players did you buy before you decided to buy a reliable one..you get what you pay for...even the very reliable player you bought will be 50% chinese components and probably more, you can't escape it....My home has British telecom telephones, have a guess where they were made....kettles, toasters, televisions, disc players, amplifiers, speakers, computers, mobile phones, electric ovens, fridge freezers and list goes on and on and on....Chinese components in there somewhere..and I'll say again..all cheap and to the most, very reliable. ....
Beobloke
18-11-2020, 15:01
But I'm also (as we've discussed recently elsewhere) a big believer in letting NATURE take its course, with the minimum necessary intervention from man
A locum doctor said that to my mother once, regarding my recurring bouts of tonsillitis as a child. It was always the same strain of Streptococcus that was re-infecting me so that I was coming down with it every two to three weeks but, despite testing the whole family, they couldn't find out who it was that was the carrier.
It was only after I had my tonsils out that it was determined that I was actually re-infecting myself and that if they'd left my tonsils in, I would have died (I was 8 when I had them removed, and weighed 3 stone!!).
My point being - sometimes nature needs a helping hand.
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 15:08
A locum doctor said that to my mother once, regarding my recurring bouts of tonsillitis as a child. It was always the same strain of Streptococcus that was re-infecting me so that I was coming down with it every two to three weeks but, despite testing the whole family, they couldn't find out who it was that was the carrier.
It was only after I had my tonsils out that it was determined that I was actually re-infecting myself and that if they'd left my tonsils in, I would have died (I was 8 when I had them removed, and weighed 3 stone!!).
My point being - sometimes nature needs a helping hand.
If it wasn't for new discoveries and the advancement of medicines and medical techniques... I would guess that most of us wouldn't be here at all...One closed minded doctor could have been the death of you...which is not acceptable
A locum doctor said that to my mother once, regarding my recurring bouts of tonsillitis as a child. It was always the same strain of Streptococcus that was re-infecting me so that I was coming down with it every two to three weeks but, despite testing the whole family, they couldn't find out who it was that was the carrier.
It was only after I had my tonsils out that it was determined that I was actually re-infecting myself and that if they'd left my tonsils in, I would have died (I was 8 when I had them removed, and weighed 3 stone!!).
My point being - sometimes nature needs a helping hand.
I fully agree, hence why I said: "with the minimum necessary intervention" from man... Problem is, things have now gone much too far the other way, as a result of the 'greed for gold' of big pharma and those who control them, consequently much to the detriment, IMO, of the overall health of the population.
The fact is, if the human race as a whole had been healthier than it was to start with (and I think a big part of that otherwise being so is because of the drugs and chemicals our bodies have been pumped full of, over the course of our lives, some of which have come from the artificially processed/chemically injected, foods we eat), then the effects that this virus has had on the world's population wouldn't have been anywhere near as devastating - and nor would it have caused us so many problems, to date, on all sorts of different levels!
Marco.
hifi_dave
18-11-2020, 15:44
Weirdly, I don't remember the police acting that way back in summer with the BLM or Extinction rebellion protests.
They were too busy 'taking the knee' and they did nothing about the demo around the Cenotaph, last week.
A locum doctor said that to my mother once, regarding my recurring bouts of tonsillitis as a child. It was always the same strain of Streptococcus that was re-infecting me so that I was coming down with it every two to three weeks but, despite testing the whole family, they couldn't find out who it was that was the carrier.
It was only after I had my tonsils out that it was determined that I was actually re-infecting myself and that if they'd left my tonsils in, I would have died (I was 8 when I had them removed, and weighed 3 stone!!).
My point being - sometimes nature needs a helping hand.
Well thank you. Tonsils are an apparently uneeded pair of strawberry like things at the back of your mouth. But why were they there in the first place?
I am a bit vague on Adenoids, but apparently, in my 5-y-o case, they had to go too.
Never missed them. Just had to eat Ice-Cream for a week after the Op. My throat hurt like Hell. And my Mother read me Enid Blyton Noddy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noddy_(character)) stories to keep my spirits up during recovery.
Marco. Think about it. If you let Nature take its course, you'd get eaten by a Lion or a Shark. Don't give me that rubbish. :lol:
Tonsils are part of your immune system.
they were too busy 'taking the knee' and they did nothing about the demo around the cenotaph, last week.
well you know how to populate the next demo then;)
If it wasn't for new discoveries and the advancement of medicines and medical techniques... I would guess that most of us wouldn't be here at all...One closed minded doctor could have been the death of you...which is not acceptable
Indeed, but you also have to consider QUALITY of life. not simply just 'being alive' and merely existing. I'm not referring here to the circumstances Adam was in, but simply to matters in general and also to the current situation.
Therefore, if for talking's sake, the choice were to come between being alive, but essentially a prisoner in your own home for goodness knows how long, out of fear of catching the virus (as even vaccines cannot provide immunity forever, or even close to it), and being controlled and ruled by the state, or dead and 'free', I'd chose the latter every time, as simply existing under those conditions would be NO life.
As I've said before, there's little point in being alive, if you can't LIVE and remain FREE! :exactly:
Marco.
people need patience... my dad was away at war for 6 years without getting home. folk lived under blackout for an age, and with little interesting to eat...and no whisky!!!!!!!
He still had his freedom though, didn't he? Albeit within the prevailing restrictions of the time. And the civilians at home, not fighting in the war, certainly had theirs.
They weren't tracked and traced to buggery or forced to wear masks [unless there was a gas attack]. Losing your freedom (especially when otherwise you enjoy a happy, rewarding and fulfilling life), for even a relatively short time, is hard to take, and the prospect of losing it forever, or it being significantly reduced in some way in future, even more so...
That's why being jailed for committing a crime is such a punishment, as depriving any human being of their FREEDOM is one of the worst things possible.
Marco.
i can see youve not been in the forces :ner:
Tonsils are part of your immune system.
I get that. Protect your throat.
Obviously other agents have rallied to the Cause and kept me going.
It's like when the fullback gets sent off in a soccer game. Put the wingback in. Similar skills.
Intelligent Forum this.
i can see youve not been in the forces :ner:
Course not. But when you came home on leave, you were a free man, no? That's my point:)
Also, with respect, it's easy for you to say 'have patience' when even before all this crap happened you never did much or went anywhere. You spent the vast majority of your time at home (quite different from Del and I), so it comes down to what kind of life you were used to before all this happened, in terms of how able you are to cope with the loss of freedom.
Marco.
well no, as i say he was abroad for 6 years and didnt get home. even when being repatriated he got nabbed and used to relieve others who got home.. not fair but you dont get a say.
You wouldnt have enjoyed war time(neither would I) food may have been healthy, but it tasted crap.:) and i wasnt always so lame and did get about a bit.. ive not actually touched another human for 9 months... you know how that feels?
anthonyTD
18-11-2020, 16:30
Tonsils also grow back, [apparently] like many kids of my era, i had my tonsills out when i was 6 years of age, missed out on the ice cream, scarred me for life :eek::D
Anyway, i remember going to the Docs when i was i guess in my Forties, with a bad throat, and after the Doc had examined me, she stated that i had Tonsillitis! :doh:
A.
anthonyTD
18-11-2020, 16:33
I dont think anyone here is questioning the medical advancements, and procedures man has acheived in respect to prolonging life in genral, for me personaly the road of discovery and wanting to find answers to dificult and complicted medical conditions started before all this paticular situation came about, without going into details, i have a young child that for reasons unknown to us at the time went from being perfectly healthy, to becoming very ill in a relatively short amount of time, the doctors, and specialists did what they could, but for a time were absolutely baffled by their own admision as to what was going on, feeling totaly helpless and overwhelmed by it all, i started doing my own research into her condition, which helped me understand when eventualy the real specialists got involved, and were able to explain to us what was happening, and what was needed to be done to stop it.
We will be forever thankfull and in debt to those that came through for us and saved our child.
Why have i mentioned this now ?
Because there are currently tens of thousands of doctors, physicians, and specialists in all manner of the medical and scientific world, who are trying desperately to get their voices heard, and tell us what is going on, but they are being scensored, banned, and worse by those who are hell bent on keeping us in fear, and total confusion, which is deviding families, putting neighbour against neighbour, friends against friends etc, etc, all for what end ?
If you really care about your own well being, your family, and those around you, then keep searching for the truth, its out there...
I get that. Protect your throat.
Obviously other agents have rallied to the Cause and kept me going.
It's like when the fullback gets sent off in a soccer game. Put the wingback in. Similar skills.
Intelligent Forum this.
yeah it also holds a squadron of white blood cells to add to the fight... but, no you dont need them, but they do help as long as they dont get infected badly. if they do they often repeatedly continue it until they need to go. ive still got mine; only one in family actually bro and sis; mum and dad all lost theirs
You wouldnt have enjoyed war time(neither would I) food may have been healthy, but it tasted crap.:) and i wasnt always so lame and did get about a bit.. ive not actually touched another human for 9 months... you know how that feels?
No, and of course I sympathise, but that's largely from choice, based on your level of risk assessment, given your health condition(s).
It's arguable, however, that you were just as much at risk from the virus when you attempted to go out that time to the shops, with your visor on, etc (and gave up because you couldn't breathe, which was a terrible situation to have been in), or any other time you've been out since, as you would have been from giving your daughter, son or grandson a cuddle... But that's your choice, and I respect that.
In terms of food during the war, I'm not sure it would've been that bad, based on what my dad has said, as my grandparents had their own garden and always grew much of their own produce, even back then, so whilst what they ate wasn't 'fancy' (far from it), it was invariably fresh and tasty home-cooked food. Italians will always skimp on or do without other things, WAY before they will their food!!
A healthy and nutritious diet is something, over generations, our family have always grown up on, which perhaps is why most of them have lived to a ripe old age! I guess you can't put a price on good genes:cool:
Marco.
good for you; im glad; i had pretty good immune system once too believe it or not. no idea in what shape its in now tbh.. but the swine flu pandemic did for my lungs. sad but true. not taken a really deep breath since.
i wouldnt wish it on anyone
Yup, Del also got swine flu (which developed into pneumonia, then costochondritis) and has never been the same since.
Marco.
Yup, Del also got swine flu (which developed into pneumonia, then costochondritis) and has never been the same since.
Marco.
yeah i get that too.. quite painful it is too.. i was lucky, my bro was told i wouldnt likely make it, but i did.. no one bar my bro was allowed to visit, and him only once. of the 2, 6 man wards, 4 died..
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 17:30
Indeed, but you also have to consider QUALITY of life. not simply just 'being alive' and merely existing. I'm not referring here to the circumstances Adam was in, but simply to matters in general and also to the current situation.
Therefore, if for talking's sake, the choice were to come between being alive, but essentially a prisoner in your own home for goodness knows how long, out of fear of catching the virus (as even vaccines cannot provide immunity forever, or even close to it), and being controlled and ruled by the state, or dead and 'free', I'd chose the latter every time, as simply existing under those conditions would be NO life.
As I've said before, there's little point in being alive, if you can't LIVE! :exactly:
Marco.
My point there Marco is...but for medicine and advancement, neither you or I or most of us, might not have even been born....and we wouldn't be having this discussion...
My point there Marco is...but for medicine and advancement, neither you or I or most of us, might not have even been born....and we wouldn't be having this discussion...
True. Go back just 100 years and a fair percentage of us would not have survived past infancy.
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 18:13
True. Go back just 100 years and a fair percentage of us would not have survived past infancy.
they were only able to cure TB 75 years ago...My pal's in his late 80's now and it nearly killed him, he was in hospital for months
My point there Marco is...but for medicine and advancement, neither you or I or most of us, might not have even been born....and we wouldn't be having this discussion...
Sure, I accept that, but that doesn't dilute the value of the point I was making. I have a BIG problem with how large pharma have eroded our ability to benefit from what nature has to offer. In that respect, the Chinese have got it right and are probably a 100 years ahead of us, when it comes to natural remedies, and which have ZERO side-effects!
The fact is, if we truly knew all the benefits, medically and nutritionally, our trees and plants had to offer, then we'd be less reliant on drugs, to treat certain conditions, and likely far healthier on many levels - but of course there's no money in it for the large pharma, producing all the drugs!:rolleyes:
And because of the huge influence they have now on medicine, I HATE how much they get to control the agenda... That's my point:)
Marco.
Then you should have bought a DVD player built to western manufacturers specs right from the start...how many Chinese DVD players did you buy before you decided to buy a reliable one..you get what you pay for...even the very reliable player you bought will be 50% chinese components and probably more, you can't escape it....My home has British telecom telephones, have a guess where they were made....kettles, toasters, televisions, disc players, amplifiers, speakers, computers, mobile phones, electric ovens, fridge freezers and list goes on and on and on....Chinese components in there somewhere..and I'll say again..all cheap and to the most, very reliable. ....
You have been fortunate. My experience is somewhat different.
Made in the country of origin, using component parts made there; most of the items are old (30 to 45 years) and are still working well:
Audio
Turntables: Swiss or German
Pickup arms: Swiss, British or Japanese
Cartridges: American, Japanese, Danish or British
SUTs: Japanese
Phonostages: American, or British
Amplifiers: American, or British
CDP: American, or German
Tuners: British, or Danish
Reel to reel tape: British, or Swiss
Cassette machines: Japanese
Speakers: British
Cables: British, American, Swiss, German, or Japanese
Other items
Cameras and lenses: German
Fridge: British
Freezer: British
Cooker: British
Kettle: British
Coffee maker and grinder: German
Blender: Swiss
Iron: East German
Fountain pens: American and British
Shavers: German
Hairdryer: German
Power tools (drills, saws, sanders etc.): British and Dutch
Items not made in China but containing 'uncertain' components:
Car: German
TV: Japanese
DVD: Japanese (and cost not much more than the Chinese ones I had)
BluRay: Japanese
Mobile phone: Finnish
So far all are working well, but coming from reputable manufacturers I live in hope.
Stuff made in China for Western or Japanese companies. and presumably to their design and quality control (but some of it started to develop problems, usually after about a year and had be replaced)
Computer: American
Monitor: American
Printer: Japanese
Digital camera: Japanese
BT landline phone and hub
Microwave oven: Japanese
So, a mixture of experiences; but the main reason I try to avoid anything made in China (and I agree it is very, very difficult) is I don't want to do anything to support the Chinese Communist Party with their despicable treatment of the non Han minorities, their expansionist Belt and Road project, and their insidious controlling influence in Africa.
Not many people know this, but I have one of the World's biggest sound libraries of Historical documents. And a superb and huge record collection, if I can brag.
I happen to own a record called "Concert Classics Volume 2"
Anne Shelton sings in 1940 some terrifically cheerful songs about our (slim) chances of beating the Hun (The Nazis) in WW2.
The Fleet is in.
The Sailor with the navy blue eyes.
Frank and his Tank.
Awfully plummy voices at the BBC in those days. But we got through it. I hate revisiting the past. More interested in the future. But being interested in the present is really the best you can do. IMO.
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 22:57
Not many people know this, but I have one of the World's biggest sound libraries of Historical documents. And a superb and huge record collection, if I can brag.
I happen to own a record called "Concert Classics Volume 2"
Anne Shelton sings in 1940 some terrifically cheerful songs about our (slim) chances of beating the Hun (The Nazis) in WW2.
The Fleet is in.
The Sailor with the navy blue eyes.
Frank and his Tank.
Awfully plummy voices at the BBC in those days. But we got through it. I hate revisiting the past. More interested in the future. But being interested in the present is really the best you can do. IMO.
yep that's about it in a nut shell
I hate revisiting the past. More interested in the future
Oh I don't know... Wallowing in a bit of nostalgia can often be good for the soul! And, IMO, many of the best things about the past are better than much of the present (and very likely future).
Marco.
As far as I can see it, the future of this country looks to be very bleak indeed.
Care to put a bit more 'meat on the bone', Barry?:)
Marco.
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 23:24
bugger what happened yesterday/year..I want to know what's going to happen tomorrow....I'd like the powers that be, to tell us we are going to be alright. Not a lot to ask really..
So would I, but unfortunately that's not going to happen. And one of the main reasons why we're in the shit now is because *WE* allowed good aspects of the past to be superseded by supposedly 'superior' modern solutions!:doh:
And most of that revolves around our obsession with 'tech', and being slaves to the latest trends, set by those controlling the agenda...:rolleyes:
Marco.
Be of good cheer, my friends. :)
However deep in the shit we are, we are way ahead of the Chinese:
These people eat Bat soup and wear Tiger's Teeth. Believe powdered Rhinocerus Horn will do them some good.
The Russians are a more sinister prospect. How Joe Stalin suffered with his conscience in killing 11 Million Ukrainian farmers for the greater good.
Poor Man. A tragedy figure. :lol:
Flippin Heck. :scratch:
We are taking them on. It's War.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54988870
Bloody waste of time IMO. But if its gotta be done, so be it. :lol:
Pigmy Pony
19-11-2020, 07:13
the Chinese have got it right and are probably a 100 years ahead of us, when it comes to natural remedies, and which have ZERO side-effects!
Marco.
The Asian black bears, tigers, bats, pangolins, whales and sharks would beg to differ, but they can't as they are all suffering the side-effects of Chinese medicine :(
Nah, there's not enough of it being made to have any significant impact on what you're referring to, plus I'm talking about plant-based remedies, not those produced from animals.
And besides, global warming [exacerbated by man] is doing far more to damage our wildlife than anything else!
Marco.
anthonyTD
19-11-2020, 17:46
Even politicians have had enough!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpKGEdJYvaA
anthonyTD
19-11-2020, 17:50
And one for Marco to consider :eyebrows:
https://www.eartheclipse.com/climate-change/10-reasons-climate-change-is-hoax.html
It's all very well posting links. But I wonder why I should wander off to watch them. :scratch:
Tell me what YOU think, and then add some justification.
UK is apparently hanging on in there. GDP down 8% on last year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54914410
Flippin' Good under the circs IMO. :)
BTW, Private Eye was below par this week. The Cover is funny, blaming it all on Dominic Cummings, but jokes were in short supply.
Mikeandvan
19-11-2020, 22:04
Be of good cheer, my friends. :)
However deep in the shit we are, we are way ahead of the Chinese:
These people eat Bat soup and wear Tiger's Teeth. Believe powdered Rhinocerus Horn will do them some good.
The Russians are a more sinister prospect. How Joe Stalin suffered with his conscience in killing 11 Million Ukrainian farmers for the greater good.
Poor Man. A tragedy figure. :lol:
You'd think that material wealth would have helped democracy in China, it is unique, a totalitarian regime that has made a success out of capitalism, but whether that success has filtered down enough to the masses is another thing.
anthonyTD
20-11-2020, 10:37
Sorry Steve,
They were in relation to previous posts.
A...
It's all very well posting links. But I wonder why I should wander off to watch them. :scratch:
Tell me what YOU think, and then add some justification.
UK is apparently hanging on in there. GDP down 8% on last year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54914410
Flippin' Good under the circs IMO. :)
BTW, Private Eye was below par this week. The Cover is funny, blaming it all on Dominic Cummings, but jokes were in short supply.
I was a bit aggressive myself, so apologies.
Just my pet hate on the forums when people just quote other websites. It's an endless circle.
Goodish joke in private Eye. You know those corona virus briefings?
The Eye refers to the two medical advisers as Doctor Doomster and Gloomster. :lol:
walpurgis
20-11-2020, 10:55
You'd think that material wealth would have helped democracy in China, it is unique, a totalitarian regime that has made a success out of capitalism, but whether that success has filtered down enough to the masses is another thing.
The politics of greed and selfishness are universal. The poor will remain the poor.
And that's what I *DETEST* about how the world works. We need more fairness and far greater equality - on all levels!
Marco.
It's hard to find understandable statistics about China and its 1,4Bn people, but it seems the average income is $12,000 which is well below, say, the UK.
We must be about $30,000, but a bit of a guess. 60% of people live in Urban areas. Income inequality is better than in most countries.
Regional variations are huge. The big cities have maybe 3X the incomes, but higher living costs.
The big Chinese cities are impressive looking:
https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/article-top-china-tourist-destination.htm
I have seen a few films about high tech factories like Foxconn who make Apple stuff. Very impressive but the conveyor-belt work would depress me.
anthonyTD
20-11-2020, 14:12
:)
No worries.
I think we are all developing a somewhat shorter fuse, where attempting to unravel this mess is concerned. :doh:
I was a bit aggressive myself, so apologies.
Just my pet hate on the forums when people just quote other websites. It's an endless circle.
Goodish joke in private Eye. You know those corona virus briefings?
The Eye refers to the two medical advisers as Doctor Doomster and Gloomster. :lol:
It's hard to find understandable statistics about China and its 1,4Bn people, but it seems the average income is $12,000 which is well below, say, the UK.
We must be about $30,000, but a bit of a guess. 60% of people live in Urban areas. Income inequality is better than in most countries.
Regional variations are huge. The big cities have maybe 3X the incomes, but higher living costs.
The big Chinese cities are impressive looking:
https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/article-top-china-tourist-destination.htm
I have seen a few films about high tech factories like Foxconn who make Apple stuff. Very impressive but the conveyor-belt work would depress me.
When I visited China in 1987, there were very few private cars. Bicycles were ubiquitous and the majority of people wore Mao suits. Very few people had fridges, so you would see people shopping after work for fresh vegetables. At that time the salary ratio between the highest paid and the lowest was 5:1.
Now it's the other way round: cars have taken over the streets and most people wear western style clothes. The standard of living has improved enormously for most, but the ratio of wealth has sky rocketed. The average Chinese is quite happy with the new found prosperity and doesn't really care about suppression of basic human rights.
well it would be tough titty if they did; and futile. :eyebrows: there is no doubt tho that their odd totalitarian capitalist system works for them tho, although chinese people have always been under authority of some sort and they are both used to it and probably feel safe within it; china having been battered several times by foreigners
The Chinese have always regarded the State as paramount, and the individual as unimportant. They have a fairly callous approach to the individual: when I was there I visited one of the very few underground nuclear fallout shelters, and when asked why there weren't others, my guide replied that with population of the country being around 3 billion, they could easily 'afford' to lose a few tens of millions.
China also takes the long view - they think in centuries, whereas in the West we think in 5 to 10 year periods.
my brother was in china for a touring visit, as he was in japan.. he said the contrasts were huge but both were amazing places in their own way. Personally i wouldnt go to a country where the legal system is a joke and that all foreigners are followed etc.
but i was not a big traveller anyway. im one of the rarities who think britain is the lovleist country in world
my brother was in china for a touring visit, as he was in japan.. he said the contrasts were huge but both were amazing places in their own way. Personally i wouldnt go to a country where the legal system is a joke and that all foreigners are followed etc.
but i was not a big traveller anyway. im one of the rarities who think britain is the lovleist country in world
Yes - of the two I know where I would prefer to live, and it ain't China.
Interesting fact: Only 4 people in the world have re-contracted covid19
Source please, Jeremy?:)
Marco.
yea so far.. we still dont know how the imunity will pan out.. i think in first year it will be low.. after that who knows. even the flu vaccine doesnt lst more than 6/8 months
Unless they're Uighurs perhaps?
The majority of the population of China are Han. The Chinese communist party are 100% Han, and want to homogenise, if not eliminate, the culture of the Uighurs, Tibetan, Mongol and Khazakh minorities.
When I visited Xinjiang province, the Uighurs were left alone by the CCP, and were allowed to practice their religion, provided they kept a low profile. Since the '90s the resurgence of Muslim identity and expression of secessionist movement, the CCP has clamped down heavily on the Uighurs with ruthless efficiency.
The Chinese have always regarded the State as paramount, and the individual as unimportant.
I'd like to visit China at some point, but I abhor that outlook, as my mindset is the polar opposite!;)
Fuck the state - 'the people' are FAR more important.
Marco [will always be an individual, never just a 'number'].
Mikeandvan
20-11-2020, 23:31
The majority of the population of China are Han. The Chinese communist party are 100% Han, and want to homogenise, if not eliminate, the culture of the Uighurs, Tibetan, Mongol and Khazakh minorities.
When I visited Xinjiang province, the Uighurs were left alone by the CCP, and were allowed to practice their religion, provided they kept a low profile. Since the '90s the resurgence of Muslim identity and expression of secessionist movement, the CCP has clamped down heavily on the Uighurs with ruthless efficiency.
Why doesn't this get the goat of liberals in the West, these are actual concentration camps, but they'd rather blather on about Israel. Boycott Chinese goods now!
Why doesn't this get the goat of liberals in the West, these are actual concentration camps, but they'd rather blather on about Israel. Boycott Chinese goods now!
I try to, but as discussed elsewhere it is very difficult. So much of what we buy is made in China for British, European and Japanese manufacturers.
The sad fact is most people want cheap goods and don't care about the consequences: slave labour; dangerous working conditions, as well as blatant breach of copyright and design patents.
Mikeandvan
21-11-2020, 00:00
I try to, but as discussed elsewhere it is very difficult. So much of what we buy is made in China for British, European and Japanese manufacturers.
The sad fact is most people want cheap goods and don't care about the consequences: slave labour; dangerous working conditions, as well as blatant breach of copyright and design patents.
Tell that to lefties! They're all for he BDS movement, why not apply that to China, or would that mean increasing their living costs by 10% too much?
Tell that to lefties! They're all for he BDS movement, why not apply that to China, or would that mean increasing their living costs by 10% too much?
In fairness you do see them banging on about Tibet occasionally. There are so many injustices in the world though, and they can't spend every waking minute virtue signalling. Plus in recent years Trump has taken up a lot of their time even though he never actually did anything except talk.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 09:17
Why doesn't this get the goat of liberals in the West, these are actual concentration camps, but they'd rather blather on about Israel. Boycott Chinese goods now!
Absolutely not !
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 11:04
Why not?:)
Marco.
Haway Marco., you know exactly why...The keyboard I'm typing on, the mouse I'm using, the screen I'm looking at...The computer that's doing the processing. The kettle that's just boiled the water for my cup of tea, the toaster I've just used to make breakfast, the light bulb that is lighting the living room, the TV that is on behind me, need I go on?..Logitech, Hitachi, Dell, Morphy Richards, Russel Hobbs, Samsung, Sky, BT, Huawei, all made in China/ loaded with Chinese components...It's not the products that are the problem..It's the greedy fuckers who who we buy the products from in our own country..(the people who are exploiting the Chinese)..Is it the responsibilty of the ordinary Joe/Jane on the street for the welfare of Chinese workers...should we/they be made to feel guilty? How did Barry put it??.."The sad fact is most people want cheap goods and don't care about the consequences: slave labour; dangerous working conditions"
I would bet that 95% of people talking on a BT phone haven't got a clue, it was made in China..It's got British Telecom stamped all over it...It's got to be British...right?...
Okies, I get that... What I really meant was boycott it *as far as possible*, i.e. when you have the option of buying a particular product [whatever it may be] that isn't made in China [and you know that for a fact], then you make a conscious decision to buy that instead, even if it's more expensive (but usually also better) than a Chinese option.
That's certainly possible, and more often than you might think, if you genuinely care about QUALITY, and also not wanting to support slave labour. For example, you mentioned kettles and toasters... Our kettle (a Stellar) was designed in Bristol and made in Europe, and our toaster (a Dualit) is 100% British made.
Main household appliances? All Miele, which is German. And my espresso maker comes from Italy (Smeg). I could go on...
Of course a lot of this stuff will almost certainly contain Chinese-sourced components, but that's unavoidable, and certainly pretty much any mass-produced consumer electronics, such as you mention, will be made in China. However, none of my main hi-fi system is - all British or (vintage) Japanese. And my car is German.
Plus, I won't buy any clothes or shoes that are likely made in a 'sweat shop'. Before buying anything like that, I need to know where it comes from first!
The point being.... Whilst it is virtually unavoidable to COMPLETELY boycott Chinese goods, it CAN often be avoided, especially if you've a) got a conscience and abhor supporting slave labour, and b) when buying anything, your focus is always more on quality/eco-friendliness/sustainability, than simply price!:cool:
Marco.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 13:49
Okies, I get that... What I really meant was boycott it *as far as possible*, i.e. when you have the option of buying a particular product [whatever it may be] that isn't made in China [and you know that for a fact], then you make a conscious decision to buy that instead, even if it's more expensive (but usually also better), rather than a cheaper Chinese option.
That's certainly possible, and more often than you might think, if you genuinely care about QUALITY, and also not wanting to support slave labour. For example, you mentioned kettles and toasters... Our kettle (a Stellar) was designed in Bristol and made in Europe, and our toaster (a Dualit) is 100% British made.
Main household appliances? All Miele, which is German. And my espresso maker is made in Italy (Smeg). I could go on...
Of course a lot of this stuff will almost certainly contain Chinese-sourced components, but that's unavoidable, and certainly pretty much any mass-produced consumer electronics, such as you mention, will be made in China. However, none of my main hi-fi system is - all British or (vintage) Japanese. And my car is German.
Plus, I won't buy any clothes or shoes that are made in a 'sweat shop'. Before buying anything like that, I need to know where it comes from first!
The point being.... Whilst it is virtually unavoidable to COMPLETELY boycott Chinese goods, it CAN sometimes be avoided, especially if you've a) got a conscience and abhor supporting slave labour, and b) when buying anything, your focus is always more on quality/eco-friendliness/sustainability, than simply price!:cool:
Marco.
Yeah...I get where you are coming from Marco and that's fine if you have a decent income but, this day and age, the income of most of the UK's population is not that good. These cheap Chinese goods in question, are not cheap at all..and you can't seriously believe your all German car is all German...There are shit loads of Chinese made Merc parts coming into the UK by the container load..and where do you think your Levi's Jeans are made??..Nike trainers, Adidas trainers. Have you seen the price of them. Who's reaping the benefits. Not the Chinese that's for sure...95% of everything is made in China because of cheap labour..Cheap labour means extremely high profits. Once one company heads out that way..It's only a matter of time before other companies follow suit, lowering overheads to maximise profits..Not everyone can afford an Argyle sweater and Barbour coat. Hmmmm I wonder where they are made...
Indeed, but as I said, you avoid it *as much as possible*, and although my Mercedes may contain some non-German parts, it's still MADE in Germany. The same as my Miele induction hob, oven, etc, which likely will also contain some Chinese parts. You do what you can, mate.
And there are plenty of clothes and footwear, if you go to proper (often privately owned) menswear shops, not cheap High Street discounters, which sell products made in the UK/US or Europe. Yes, of course that stuff isn't cheap and may cost many times more than something that's mass-produced in a 'sweat shop', but (if looked after) will generally last ten times longer, so pays for itself in the end, especially things such as jackets, coats and footwear. Unless you're a hapless fashion victim!
However, my point is, *if* you can afford it [this doesn't apply to anyone else], then that is what you should be buying, instead of cheap tat. Problem is, too many folks who can afford it (and bearing in mind we live in a largely wealthy country, where people spend inordinate amounts of money, everyday, on ALL sorts of things), will often still buy cheap tat (Chinese or other), either through laziness and/or nonsensical 'tight-waddery', regardless or what or whom, somewhere down the line, may be suffering as a consequence!:rolleyes:
Our next kettle, btw (once the Stellar goes pop) will be a Smeg, to match our espresso machine: https://www.smeguk.com/products/KLF04RDUK
Plus, with full spares available (unlike cheap, disposable Chinese tat), and as we look after our stuff, it should last us 'forever':)
Marco.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 14:18
Indeed, but as I said, you avoid it *as much as possible*, and although my Mercedes may contain some non-German parts, it's still MADE in Germany. The same as my Miele induction hob, oven, etc, which likely will also contain some Chinese parts. You do what you can, mate.
And there are plenty of clothes and footwear, if you go to proper (often privately owned) menswear shops, not cheap High Street discounters, which are made in the UK. Yes, of course this stuff isn't cheap and may cost many times more than something that's mass-produced in a 'sweat shop', but (if looked after) will generally last ten times longer, so pays for itself in the end, especially things such as jackets, coats and footwear. Unless you're a hapless fashion victim!
However, my point is, *if* you can afford it [this doesn't apply to anyone else], then that is what you should be buying, instead of cheap tat. Problem is, too many folks who can afford it (and bearing in mind we live in a largely wealthy country where people spend inordinate amounts of money on ALL sorts), will often still buy cheap tat (Chinese or other), either through laziness and/or nonsensical 'tight-waddery', regardless or what or whom may be suffering as a consequence!:rolleyes:
Our next kettle, btw (once the Stellar goes pop) will be a Smeg, to match our coffee machine: https://www.leekes.co.uk/smeg-variable-kettle-red
And as full spares are available (unlike cheap, disposable Chinese tat), and as we look after our stuff, it should last us 'forever':)
Marco.
So you're not buying British made?....:eek:
walpurgis
21-11-2020, 14:23
I buy cheap. Ethics are for those who can afford them.
Indeed - and there's no argument about that. However, there are PLENTY of wealthy folks around who are UNETHICAL - and they all need a BOOT up the arse!;)
Marco.
So you're not buying British made?....:eek:
Not always. I'm not biased towards British. Why would I be? I'm Italian!:ner: However, I'm generally biased against mass-produced Chinese tat. So if there's a non-Chinese option, for any product I'm interested in, and it fulfils the necessary criteria [and crucially *is* better, not just dearer], then that's what I'll buy:)
Marco.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 14:44
Indeed, but as I said, you avoid it *as much as possible*, and although my Mercedes may contain some non-German parts, it's still MADE in Germany. The same as my Miele induction hob, oven, etc, which likely will also contain some Chinese parts. You do what you can, mate.
And there are plenty of clothes and footwear, if you go to proper (often privately owned) menswear shops, not cheap High Street discounters, which sell products made in the UK. Yes, of course this stuff isn't cheap and may cost many times more than something that's mass-produced in a 'sweat shop', but (if looked after) will generally last ten times longer, so pays for itself in the end, especially things such as jackets, coats and footwear. Unless you're a hapless fashion victim!
However, my point is, *if* you can afford it [this doesn't apply to anyone else], then that is what you should be buying, instead of cheap tat. Problem is, too many folks who can afford it (and bearing in mind we live in a largely wealthy country where people spend inordinate amounts of money on ALL sorts), will often still buy cheap tat (Chinese or other), either through laziness and/or nonsensical 'tight-waddery', regardless or what or whom may be suffering as a consequence!:rolleyes:
Our next kettle, btw (once the Stallar goes pop) will be a Smeg, to match our espresso machine: https://www.smeguk.com/products/KLF04RDUK
Plus, with full spares available (unlike cheap, disposable Chinese tat), and as we look after our stuff, it should last us 'forever':)
Marco.
There's cheap tat parts in Smeg gear too..and you're gonna spend £160 on a kettle...?..You've clearly got too much money
If buying second hand, then country of origin is mostly mute. I try to avoid chinese goods but its becoming mostly impossible these days. So i try and buy "good" chinese goods. If i can buy from other countries i do, like taiwan etc :eyebrows:
There's cheap tat parts in Smeg gear too..
Lol - you keep on repeating the same point! Please pay attention: *I do know that*, and have already said so. The point is that the company producing the goods isn't Chinese:)
...and you're gonna spend £160 on a kettle...?..You've clearly got too much money
How so? We've worked hard for our money and don't smoke, gamble or drink (to excess), so why not spend it instead on something nice, which is tangible, that we can enjoy everyday for years? Plus, as I've said, but again you've obviously not been paying attention - full spares are available, so it will last for YEARS. Unlike a lot of mass-produced, 'disposable tat'.
So... How much is £160, over say 10 years?;)
And besides, how much do chavs spend on booze, fags, drugs and scratch cards, Netflix and McDonalds, per annum? And they have feck all to show for it!!:D
Marco.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 14:58
Lol - you keep repeating the same point! Please pay attention: *I do know that*, and have already said so. The company producing the goods isn't Chinese:)
How so? We've worked hard for our money and don't smoke, gamble or drink (to excess), so why not spend it instead on something nice, which is tangible, that we can enjoy everyday for years? How much do chavs spend on booze, fags, drugs and scratch cards, per annum?:D;)
Marco.
I suppose Indonesia isn't China.......I'd want 6 or 7 kettles for £160.00 :lol:
Good for you - we can't all be the same, can we? Do you begrudge someone who can afford it having nice things? It's beginning to sound like it, mate. That isn't a very endearing trait..
And besides, I'm sure plenty of folks (members of the general public) would say that about your hi-fi system - 'I could buy 10,000 iPods from Tesco for that!:eek::ner:
It's all relative.
Marco.
my new kettle was from china.. i got it on an offer and is now 60 quid, but it is clever and very good quality. best one ive ever had.. im hoping it will be long living as i dont use it an awful lot and use filtered water in it(use it for tea)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/711UXEybzJL._AC_SL1488_.jpg
Yup, and that's well worth the money. If I wasn't a SMEGHEAD:D and wanted something to match our expresso machine (as it looks nice in our bespoke kitchen - yes that wasn't mass-produced either, haha), I could've been tempted!:)
Marco.
i make up for the china bit by doing my bit for the Scottish whisky industry. no foreign muck here(very often anyway)lol
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 15:27
Good for you - we can't all be the same, can we? Do you begrudge someone having nice things, who can afford it? It's beginning to sound like it, mate.
That isn't a very endearing trait.. And besides, I'm sure plenty of folks (members of the general public) would say that about your hi-fi system - 'I could buy 10,000 iPods from Tesco for that!:eek::ner:
Marco.
Quite the opposite Marco..I love to see people getting nice things, however being frugal is quite a good thing too... how do you think I'm rich?...I don't know how you can live with yourself, not buying Chinese goods..you're clearly not thinking about that Chinese employees soya beans on toast..
i make up for the china bit by doing my bit for the Scottish whisky industry...
Haha - more like SINGLE-HANDEDLY keeping it in business!:D:eyebrows:
Marco.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 15:31
my new kettle was from china.. i got it on an offer and is now 60 quid, but it is clever and very good quality. best one ive ever had.. im hoping it will be long living as i dont use it an awful lot and use filtered water in it(use it for tea)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/711UXEybzJL._AC_SL1488_.jpg
That looks rather space age Grant...very nice...my bread maker has four controls too....:stalks:
Quite the opposite Marco..I love to see people getting nice things...
You're hiding it well...!:ner:;)
Why make that comment then about the £160 kettle I was thinking of getting?:hmm:
however being frugal is quite a good thing too...
Absolutely, but that's quite different from lazy or miserly. In terms of the former, too many folks these days, 'rich' or otherwise, are too 'mouse-clicky happy', on Amazon, i.e. whatever is cheapest and most convenient, Über Alles... That's the problem, in terms of why our high streets are dying!
I don't know how you can live with yourself, not buying Chinese goods..you're clearly not think about that Chinese employees soya beans on toast..
I presume that was a joke? It's up to Chinese EMPLOYERS (or the state) to pay staff decent wages. That's *their* responsibility, regardless of what others or I do.
Marco.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 15:39
i make up for the china bit by doing my bit for the Scottish whisky industry. no foreign muck here(very often anyway)lol
https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2020/08/new-chinese-whisky-distillery-construction-kicks-off-in-huizhou/
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 15:58
You're hiding it well then!:ner:;)
Absolutely, but that's quite different from lazy or miserly. In terms of the former, too many folks these days, 'rich' or otherwise, are WAY too 'mouse-clicking happy', on Amazon, i.e. whatever is cheapest and most convenient, Über Alles... That's the problem!
I presume that was a joke? It's up to Chinese EMPLOYERS (or the state) to pay staff decent wages. That's *their* responsibility, regardless of what others or I do.
Marco.
precisely...we can agree on that 100%...That's why I wont boycott Chinese goods...the way the country treats their workers is not my responsibility. If China is going to produce decent quality goods at a fair price...I'm going to buy them..
"I presume that was a joke?"
You see...you can read between the lines..;)
https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2020/08/new-chinese-whisky-distillery-construction-kicks-off-in-huizhou/
yes, well maybe ok but i will stick with Scotch; and maybe a bit of the Irish and American flung in:eyebrows: scottish malt is a huge subject with so many products its hard to not find several that tickle your fancy
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 16:02
yes, well maybe ok but i will stick with Scotch; and maybe a bit of the Irish and American flung in:eyebrows: scottish malt is a huge subject with so many products its hard to not find several that tickle your fancy
Just kidding Grant...keeping the Chinese theme going:lol:
Just kidding Grant...keeping the Chinese theme going:lol:
ive tried some european stuff, and tbh, its not at the ball park for me... japanese stuff too lacks something and is overly expensive.I remeber the Japs initially shipped our water, barley etc and made it over there.. It still didnt work. Its better now but Scotch for me is biggest "Billy Bargain" in world.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 16:06
I once went on a Whisky Diet...I lost 3 days in the first week
I nearly did sober October..but I'm waiting for canne remember December
I think the ladies knickers I'm wearing today are Chinese.
Marco.
I once went on a Whisky Diet...I lost 3 days in the first week
I nearly did sober October..but I'm waiting for canne remember December
American Comic Ron White once said “There were years when I was a beer and tequila guy, then I got real fat. And then I found that you could actually go on a diet and drink scotch.
“Then I got hooked on scotch, and if you get hooked on scotch, then everything else just tastes wrong.”
how true
I think the ladies knickers I'm wearing today are Chinese.
Marco.
yes well they do specialise in expandex:eyebrows:
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 16:14
American Comic Ron White once said “There were years when I was a beer and tequila guy, then I got real fat. And then I found that you could actually go on a diet and drink scotch.
“Then I got hooked on scotch, and if you get hooked on scotch, then everything else just tastes wrong.”
how true
very good..that made me smile...:)
I think the ladies knickers I'm wearing today are Chinese.
Marco.
Some Miele products are made in China. Did you check?
What about a possible covid-19 vaccine from China? :D (Just to get the discussion back on track.)
yes well they do specialise in expandex:eyebrows:
Yesh, I know. When I was ordering, I used your account with them, shweety...:D
Nah they're Del's*, so are white Sloggis... Are they British?:eyebrows:
*kidding, as I'd have fook all chance of fitting in them, lol.
Marco.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 16:18
Some Miele products are made in China. Did you check?
What about a possible covid-19 vaccine from China? :D (Just to get the discussion back on track.)
We have a Vaccine in this country...I hope they roll it out soon...so they can stick me with it...
Some Miele products are made in China. Did you check?
No, but the thought was there!:D;)
Marco.
mad-moon
21-11-2020, 16:21
Yesh, when I was ordering I used your account with them, shweety...:D
Nah they're Del's*, so are Sloggis... Are they British?:eyebrows:
*kidding, as I'd have fook all chance of fitting in them, lol.
Marco.
just for you Marco...xx
https://www.timarco.com/uk/underwear/trunks/sloggi-for-men-basic-maxi?colid=445&sizeid=013&ref=bingplauk&campaignlogin=guk&msclkid=6043f1ffea891978ffc1ae46d4cf64a9
:lolsign:
Do they do ones with 'peek-a-boo' front panel, darling? Or perhaps something edible?
Marco.
We have a Vaccine in this country...I hope they roll it out soon...so they can stick me with it...
Yes, but the Chinese one will probably be a copy of the US or British products, and so will be cheaper. :D
But if it is like the umpteen million PPE items we recently bought from China, and which proved to be of unacceptable quality, it too could prove to be a waste of money.
very good..that made me smile...:)
our own Billy Connelly said this, which i have to say, when i was a nipper was oh so true...Now I don’t know if you remember the first time you ever tasted whisky and the tremendous shock to the nervous system it is. In Scotland this usually happens around the age of four – not because your parents give it to you but because there are these parties at New Year…”
Or the equally as real alternative...
...not because your parents give it to you but because you nicked it from the offy, along with some Thunderbird”
:D
Marco.
Meanwhile in other news... https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/11/20/uk-wide-a-easing-of-coronavirus-rules-for-a-week-at-christmasa/
So if you're a good wee boy, you'll get to play Santa!
Marco.
i'll be playing with no-one.. not worth the risks quite frankly. ive not wasted 10 months by then, when we are close, to catch it at xmas. my wife caught something on xmas day and died next day
Yeah, for sure... We'll just be having my dad round, as usual, and possibly a couple of Del's friends. Beef Wellington this year - we're giving the goose a miss!:cool:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
21-11-2020, 17:15
Many years ago I took a couple of bottles of Thunderbird to my mates' bit up in Annbank (near Ayr). They hadn't seen it before but went down well with them. When I next visited, their local shop was selling it and every bugger up there was drinking it. Sorry about that :(
Pigmy Pony
21-11-2020, 17:19
I think the ladies knickers I'm wearing today are Chinese.
Marco.
A Vera Wang thong
Many years ago I took a couple of bottles of Thunderbird to my mates' bit up in Annbank (near Ayr). They hadn't seen it before but went down well with them. When I next visited, their local shop was selling it and every bugger up there was drinking it. Sorry about that :(
my neighbour, who wont be soon as he's sold up, has drunk Buckfast all his life. He says he prefers it:doh: well, he is from harthill:D
great guy, but a terrible taste in drink
A Vera Wang thong
Ha - now *there* is an image to conjure with, and so near teatime, too!:eek::D
No, I get my lingerie inspiration from Del, and she doesn't wear thongs.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
21-11-2020, 17:45
Ha - now *there* is an image to conjure with, and so near teatime, too!:eek::D
No, I get my lingerie inspiration from Del, and she doesn't wear thongs.
Marco.
Thank God for that - the image of you reclining on a chaise longue, singing a song, in your Wang thong, is just wrong
...not to mention the pong form ma dong.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
21-11-2020, 17:52
:D yes we were right not to mention it so near to tea time
Time we got back to Coronavirus, IMO. :)
I am absolutely seething tonight. It's not often I get cross, but I am very cross indeed. :(
We are real Socialists in our house for the most part. Community minded.
We put flowers and chocolates in the hallway. To cheer everyone up.
Leave a bottle of hand-gel to kill the wretched germ on entry and exit and keep us alive.
Some BASTARD has scoffed ALL the chocolates and stolen the hand-gel! :mental:
Some people deserve to die. Sorry to rant.
Time we got back to Coronavirus, IMO. :)
Must we?:D
Marco.
Actually Marco, I lit a little firecracker under your arse in Jokes and Funnies. :lol:
I am dying to get on with some Policeman jokes. :)
Time we got back to Coronavirus, IMO. :)
I am absolutely seething tonight. It's not often I get cross, but I am very cross indeed. :(
We are real Socialists in our house for the most part. Community minded.
We put flowers and chocolates in the hallway. To cheer everyone up.
Leave a bottle of hand-gel to kill the wretched germ on entry and exit and keep us alive.
Some BASTARD has scoffed ALL the chocolates and stolen the hand-gel! :mental:
Some people deserve to die. Sorry to rant.
No good turn goes unpunished.
Of course, I am no mug. I have a second bottle of Hand-Gel in my cupboard. Put it in the hallway.
The House is safe. And a second pack of Cadbury's Chocolate Heroes. Alway's been partial to a Crunchie Bar. :lol:
Mikeandvan
21-11-2020, 22:52
Of course, I am no mug. I have a second bottle of Hand-Gel in my cupboard. Put it in the hallway.
The House is safe. And a second pack of Cadbury's Chocolate Heroes. Alway's been partial to a Crunchie Bar. :lol:
Do you live in a Jehovas witnesses house or something?
We've all had that terrible moment when the Jehovas witnesses have banged on our front door. :lol:
Personally I don't want to break their hearts. I try to let them down lightly.
I just accept their publications and send them on their unwitting ways.
But there is something to be said for GOOD versus EVIL:
Cracking movie here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkIYolapTeg
Costs you nothing. Slow start, but warms up. Enjoy.
We've all had that terrible moment when the Jehovas witnesses have banged on our front door. :lol:
Personally I don't want to break their hearts. I try to let them down lightly.
I just accept their publications and send them on their unwitting ways.
But there is something to be said for GOOD versus EVIL:
I have never been "at home" when Jehovah Witnesses call. You can usually see them in advance when they target your road - they are always neatly dressed and will often have a child in tow.
Of course if you do want to have a vigorous debate with them, you need only declare you are of a certain religious faith.
Pigmy Pony
22-11-2020, 15:01
Of course, I am no mug. I have a second bottle of Hand-Gel in my cupboard. Put it in the hallway.
The House is safe. And a second pack of Cadbury's Chocolate Heroes. Alway's been partial to a Crunchie Bar. :lol:
I've heard it said that the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results :) Your "thief" was probably confused by your "please help yourself" sign. He might be a bit thick like me, to whom your posts sometimes look a bit like haikus :scratch:
No offence Steve, did I mention I'm a bit thick?
Just noticed you're in Portsmouth. Lot of rats in Portsmouth, and some may well be germophobes, and also partial to a bit of chocolate...
I have never been "at home" when Jehovah Witnesses call. You can usually see them in advance when they target your road - they are always neatly dressed and will often have a child in tow.
Of course if you do want to have a vigorous debate with them, you need only declare you are of a certain religious faith.
The ones who call round here (a mother and her son) are fine [not 'rabid' JH's, by any means]. I often invite them in for tea and cake. They know I'm a practicing Catholic, with slightly different views from them, but as we all believe in God, and are Christians, we have plenty in common, so the experience is always pleasant and often educational:)
Marco.
I've never met a rabid one and wonder if they even exist. Mormons likewise, always very genial and polite.
Pigmy Pony
22-11-2020, 15:21
I've never met a rabid one and wonder if they even exist. Mormons likewise, always very genial and polite.
Judaism has some rabid ones. Sorry I meant rabbi. Damn auto correct
A priest, a pastor and a rabbit walk into a bloodbank. The rabbit says: "I think I'm a Type-O." :lol:
The hand-gel has mysteriously returned to our hallway! Obviously some doomed soul stricken by conscience.. .:)
Did anyone watch "Angel and the Badman"? It's based round bad Cowboys and virtuous Quakers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkIYolapTeg
Lots of shootin', cattle stampedes, overturning wagons and Bar-room brawls. Sort of thing I llke.
I am struggling to understand which Coronavirus tier Pompey is in, but the Pubs are shut so I think we are top tier as ever. :eek:
The ones who call round here (a mother and her son) are fine [not 'rabid' JH's, by any means]. I often invite them in for tea and cake. They know I'm a practicing Catholic, with slightly different views from them, but as we all believe in God, and are Christians, we have plenty in common, so the experience is always pleasant and often educational:)
Marco.
That's the way it should be - I have never really understood how people get so 'argumentative" over faith issues, the end result is the same.
Indeed... I'm usually pleasant and welcoming towards those who call at my house. As they say, it's nice to be nice:)
Also, IMO, you can't criticise someone else's religious beliefs, or judge them against yours (if applicable), unless you know what they are.
Marco.
Mikeandvan
22-11-2020, 22:47
Its when religion becomes politicised that conflicts arise, personal faith is exactly that, the individuals faith. Political faith especially as written into a states constitution is thankfully a thing of the past in the West, though that is being tested by immigration on an epic scale from less enlightened parts of the world, and we are seeing the beginnings of that battle being fought at the moment in France.
anthonyTD
23-11-2020, 11:29
:)
Indeed... I'm usually pleasant and welcoming towards those who call at my house. As they say, it's nice to be nice:)
Also, IMO, you can't criticise someone else's religious beliefs, or judge them against yours (if applicable), unless you know what they are.
Marco.
prestonchipfryer
23-11-2020, 12:52
I've had many a conversation with the ''door knockers'' and have always found them to be courteous and polite.
The world would be a much nicer place is everyone was as polite and courteous as I have found them.
No need for such rudeness towards the faith of others.
Try it and be surprised how nice people can be. :)
walpurgis
23-11-2020, 13:00
I have a sign on my front door discouraging unwanted callers. I do say 'bugger off' very politely to those that ignore it though. :D
Beobloke
23-11-2020, 13:04
Until she passed away a month or so ago, my mother had regular visits from two JWs - one was a former pupil of hers that she taught many years before. My mother believed in religion (although not the JW version) and she enjoyed the company and the discussions.
However, after she died, my sister came across a letter that the lady in question had sent her due to not being able to visit which was mostly a very pleasant 'newsy' letter, but contained a few sentences about how they knew Covid was coming, it was the devil in action and this was the end of days starting. My sister was absolutely furious and when she contacted the lady to let her know of my mother's passing she did politely explain that she did not feel stuff like this was the sort of thing you should be throwing at an 88 year old woman who was growing increasingly frail.
As an aside, my sister has a Degree in Theology and it was always interesting to listen to her chatting with JWs on the doorstep and offering her opinion as to why their interpretation of the council of Jerusalem was wrong. Funnily enough, they never stayed long... ;)
I have a sign on my front door discouraging unwanted callers. I do say 'bugger off' very politely to those that ignore it though. :D
ive a few signs, given by police as this is neighbourhood watch area.. they are supposed not to call but there are always folk who do thinking, "that doesnt mean me tho" whereas i say "it jolly well does old chap" os summat similar;)
mad-moon
23-11-2020, 16:20
The Ex wife, whom I love to hate....Aye aye aye..I've heard it all before... Made me laugh out loud one day, only the once mind you...We had one of those signs in the window of the front door which read..No salesmen, no hawkers, no religious bodies, by appointment only, you know the one. One Saturday morning the JW's came to the front door and the ex wife answered it, after I'd asked her not to of course. First words out of the woman's mouth was, do you read the bible. The Ex said yes I do, can you read??..the woman replied of course I can..the ex then pointed to the sign and said, what does that say there...The woman replied, no religious bodies..The ex said good day...and abruptly shut the door..I had to :lol:
Hope I am not getting controversial here.
I have studied this Religion stuff often enough. Quite catholic (with a small c) in my tastes as it goes.
Greek mythology and the oracle at Delphi says "Know Thyself".
Christianity says "Render unto Caesar that which is his, Render unto God that which is his"
Krishnamurti says "What is observed, and who is the observer?"
My take on it these days is we have two halves in our higher brain. A rational side and an intuitive side. Left and Right. Below that is the hungry and aggressive reptilian hindbrain.
Sorted. :lol:
:lol:
The Ex wife, whom I love to hate....Aye aye aye..I've heard it all before... Made me laugh out loud one day, only the once mind you...We had one of those signs in the window of the front door which read..No salesmen, no hawkers, no religious bodies, by appointment only, you know the one. One Saturday morning the JW's came to the front door and the ex wife answered it, after I'd asked her not to of course. First words out of the woman's mouth was, do you read the bible. The Ex said yes I do, can you read??..the woman replied of course I can..the ex then pointed to the sign and said, what does that say there...The woman replied, no religious bodies..The ex said good day...and abruptly shut the door..I had to :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkxWTsBINI
anthonyTD
24-11-2020, 14:46
Nice one! :eek::D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkxWTsBINI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkxWTsBINI
I have always been quite the fan of Magnesium. :)
Without it we just go a bit crazy. Or at least, I do. What, you noticed? :(
mad-moon
25-11-2020, 12:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkxWTsBINI
Oof Oof Oof..!
What does that comment mean, daftee - care to elucidate?:)
Marco.
mad-moon
25-11-2020, 15:05
That.s a laugh.......Oof Oof Oof.....is that lucid enough...;)..You must stop calling people daftee, daftee, it's fucking offensive...
I have always been quite the fan of Magnesium. :)
Without it we just go a bit crazy. Or at least, I do. What, you noticed? :(
So then, what are the six forms of magnesium we need?
mad-moon
25-11-2020, 15:16
So then, what are the six forms of magnesium we need?
6 kinds...The only one I knew about was in science lessons at school, or was it chemistry..a very very long time ago...we set fire to it..It burns extremely bright and is difficult to extinguish, once lit..
So then, what are the six forms of magnesium we need?
think their are 10 or so, although dont know if we need em all. lactate and malate are the ones i know we use body wise.
mad-moon
25-11-2020, 15:36
think their are 10 or so, although dont know if we need em all. lactate and malate are the ones i know we use body wise.
Oh yes...Doctor says I should eat magnesium rich bananas, green leaf veggies and legumes..he tells me it's good for stopping leg cramps....he mentioned other things which I can't remember..and advised me not to take supplements
I can only tell you what I know, though I was quite the Wiz on Chemistry at school. :lol:
Sea Salt is very different stuff from Rock Salt. It has Potassium, Iodine and Magnesium in it. Rock Salt, which is in most factory foods is just Sodium Chloride.
Your body has about 10 grams of magnesium floating about. Apparently reduces blood pressure. If you have a heart attack, the quickest intervention is to inject about 2 grams of Magnesium Sulphate. So it does something.
I doubt there are 6 types of magnesium. I just take me Andrew's Liver salts every couple of weeks. French Doctors believe in minerals far more than English ones.
Another weird one is Selenium. Exhausted European Soils are very deficient in it. Brazil Nuts are full of it.
not heard of that use in heart attack.. it can be used tho for people with heart conditions. the usual injection if there is one is either Papaverine or Amiodarone.
https://i.ibb.co/L98jFwX/The-doctor-is-in.png (https://imgbb.com/)
That.s a laugh.......Oof Oof Oof.....is that lucid enough...;)..You must stop calling people daftee, daftee, it's fucking offensive...
Offensive? I call myself a daftee! It's called banter. Chill out, FFS!:ner:
Marco.
Offensive? I call myself a daftee! It's called banter. Chill out, FFS!:ner:
Marco.
and dafty you are :eek: :D
Pigmy Pony
25-11-2020, 18:13
Offensive? I call myself a daftee! It's called banter. Chill out, FFS!:ner:
Marco.
Used a lot north of the border, I once saw it used in a news story in the South Ayrshire Post, though the journo spelt it 'dafties'. He was quoting some bloke on the street's opinion :) Doesn't offend me, I strongly resemble that remark :)
and dafty you are :eek: :D
Indeed - I wear it well, but I modelled it on you!:lol:
:kiss::kiss:
Marco.
mad-moon
25-11-2020, 19:14
Offensive? I call myself a daftee! It's called banter. Chill out, FFS!:ner:
Marco.
Aye OK...
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 11:58
Can't recall seeing or hearing about this on the BBC news :rolleyes:
Just goes to prove that folk have justification to question everything mainstream news outlets tell us, or in this case; what they don't! :(
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/anti-lockdown-demonstrations-london-arrests-a4557041.html
Can't recall seeing or hearing about this on the BBC news :rolleyes:
Just goes to prove that folk have justification to question everything mainstream news outlets tell us, or in this case; what they don't! :(
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/anti-lockdown-demonstrations-london-arrests-a4557041.html
it's here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54678374
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 12:28
Notice the diffrence in the picks used for both articles though.
it's here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54678374
There's a classic 'Didn't think it through before I started' protest sign:
https://i.ibb.co/xg5NWyH/coronavirusprotests09.jpg (https://ibb.co/R6Hqf1y)
Always a few of them at any demo regardless of what it is about. Says something about the sort of people who go on demos.
Stupid rioters. :rolleyes:
Portsmouth will be Tier 2 after lockdown. Rule of 6 outdoors. This means no Tai-Chi class on the beach. Because we usually have 30 or 40. But I may be wrong because organised exercise activity seems to get some exemption..
The Magnesium experiment has gone superbly. Teaspoon of Liver salts with a fizzy Vitamin C half tablet.
For good measure I bought some cashews and pistachio nuts. Haven't felt this good in ages!
No brazil nuts on sale, but apparently just one nut a day restores Selenium balance in 8 weeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut
These things are packed with minerals and some oily vitamins. Even peanuts are OK.
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 12:58
There's always i am sure a few "profesional saboteurs" at most events like these, doesent detract from the amount of folk now calling Bollox to it all! ;)
There's a classic 'Didn't think it through before I started' protest si
https://i.ibb.co/xg5NWyH/coronavirusprotests09.jpg (https://ibb.co/R6Hqf1y)
Always a few of them at any demo regardless of what it is about. Says something about the sort of people who go on demos.
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 12:59
And you are welcome to your opinion of course.
Stupid rioters. :rolleyes:
This germ is real. The retired F.C. Porto manager died of it yesterday. 70-y-o.
But I have stopped stressing over it. Nothing you can do beyond reasonable precautions. Don't read news items about Covid excessively since they stress me out.
Lots of things to do at home. I'm having a great time really.
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 13:17
So is Flu, which kills between 10,000 and 30,000 people in this country each year, unfortunetly many folk will die this winter, like every winter, the diffrence this year is many of those unfortunate souls will have covid-19 aplied to their death certificates without even a post-mortem! :(
This germ is real. The retired F.C. Porto manager died of it yesterday. 70-y-o.
But I have stopped stressing over it. Nothing you can do beyond reasonable precautions. Don't read news items about Covid excessively since they stress me out.
Lots of things to do at home. I'm having a great time really.
99% of doctors and scientists agree this is much worse than flu.
Why have they all to be wrong or lying?
It's a beast of a thing for many.
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 13:26
So is real Flu, which is why it kills!!!
As to your quote of 99% what about the ten's of thousands of Medical, and Scientific people around the world that are trying desperately to get their voices heard, and are being censored, and removed from every aspect of social, and mainstream media.
99% of doctors and scientists agree this is much worse than flu.
Why have they all to be wrong or lying?
It's a beast of a thing for many.
99% of doctors and scientists agree this is much worse than flu.
Yes, but that doesn't undermine or devalue the potentially 30-odd thousand deaths caused by flu, does it? Or is it only deaths from Covid that matter? That would appear to be the case.
So, here we have it... Flu kills 30,000 people, yet the country isn't brought to a standstill, in order to try and prevent the spread, or any kind of draconian rules enforced, in order to 'manage' matters.
Covid kills 53,000, and there's a MASSIVE HOO-HAH, with lockdowns, economic disaster and huge longterm debt/unemployment as a result, along with the mandatory wearing of face masks and all sorts, with life being threatened as never fully returning to normal.
So where's the justification for all of that, for an extra 20,000 deaths? And THAT, is *if* [and it's a big IF] you believe the published death stats for Covid are representative of people who's cause of death was SOLELY due to Covid, not some form of existing comorbidity..
In any case, I could see the need for all this hoo-hah, if we were talking of death figures in the many hundreds of thousands, but that simply isn't the case. Therefore, I stand by what I've always said, which is that whilst this is undoubtedly a serious and deadly virus, the HOO-HAH that's been created around it, simply isn't warranted, has been blown out of all proportion, and STINKS of an agenda!
Marco.
I'm all conspiracy theoried out. Most countries are taking a similar approach.
But the death toll reflects the lockdown measures. It would have been far worse.
Let's see. 660 cases in Pompey last week. This week it is 423. 6 more deaths, I think. Now 120.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
That's an improvement, but we were down to 10 cases around July. It's the students catching it. The lot over the road had it.
Yes, that's all fine if you believe the stats, and also the accuracy of the PCR tests. Others and I don't. And that's got nothing to do with 'conspiracy theories', simply the challenging of supposed truths.
So answer me this: if up to around 30,000 people die of flu every year, why haven't similar measures EVER been taken to 'tackle' that...?? Also, how many people have died as a result of suicide, due to lockdowns or other mental health issues, resulting from such/loss of jobs/financial stress, etc, and folks from cancer and other fatal diseases, which weren't treated in hospitals, due to Covid?
Where are the death stats for that?? :hmm:
Marco.
Spanish Flu in 1919 was very nasty. They did lockdown. Closed schools in the US. But I suppose we got used to catching colds and Flu on buses and trains.
And other countries have very similar graphs to us, so not everyone can be lying.
Must get my flu jab. Not too stressed about that either. Not much chance of catching colds living like the hermit... :lol:
I believe the doctors are worried about people having Flu and Covid at the same time, but dunno really.
As to your quote of 99% what about the ten's of thousands of Medical, and Scientific people around the world that are trying desperately to get their voices heard, and are being censored, and removed from every aspect of social, and mainstream media.
Indeed... It's not as if they're 'loony-tune conspiracy theorists', best ignored; these people are scientific experts, and so just as qualified to comment on or judge the current situation, as the 'experts' that the government are following!:doh:
So... WHY aren't their voices being allowed to be heard...???
They should be all over mainstream TV and radio, never mind anywhere else, QUESTIONING and CHALLENGING the other, so-called experts giving advice to the government, in order to allow people to form the most balanced, informed and educated opinion about what's happening! Not simply what the BBC or government WANT them to believe, without proper scrutiny.
But no, they're gagged instead, and of course all of that is entirely reasonable and understandable in a so-called DEMOCRACY.... Aye right, zip my head back up again when you've finished!
Marco.
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 15:08
The main thing that's bothering folk,[me included] and thus why many may not be taking this situation as serious as the government and media want, and that is; that no government, or mainstream news has ever catagoricaly reported the absolute facts of where this came from, and how it got into Humans, just a load of miss-information, and one country blaming another etc, WE NEED TO KNOW to be able to fully understand the implications [or not] of what we may potentialy be up against in the future.
You can keep shutting the gate after the horse is gone, or you can find out who's leaving the bloody catch off the gate, and stop it happening, once and for all!
Indeed, mate.
The lack of proper transparency and honesty from the 'powers that be', from day one, regarding almost every aspect of this 'pandemic', has been one of the biggest problems - and *THAT* is precisely what breeds DISTRUST, among those who (quite rightly) are simply unwilling to swallow as Gospel everything that they're being fed by the authorities [count me in with bells on!] and also feeds so called 'conspiracy theories'...!!
Marco.
P.S You have email!:wave:;)
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 15:22
Sorted! :)
Indeed, mate.
Marco.
P.S You have email!:wave:;)
Pigmy Pony
26-11-2020, 16:40
Indeed... It's not as if they're 'loony-tune conspiracy theorists', best ignored; these people are scientific experts, and so just as qualified to comment on or judge the current situation, as the 'experts' that the government are following!:doh:
So... WHY aren't their voices being allowed to be heard...???
They should be all over mainstream TV and radio, never mind anywhere else, QUESTIONING and CHALLENGING the other, so-called experts giving advice to the government, in order to allow people to form the most balanced, informed and educated opinion about what's happening! Not simply what the BBC or government WANT them to believe, without proper scrutiny.
But no, they're gagged instead, and of course all of that is entirely reasonable and understandable in a so-called DEMOCRACY.... Aye right, zip my head back up again when you've finished!
Marco.
These other 'experts, who are being gagged by mainstream and social media, how did you hear about them, was it smoke signals or carrier pigeon? :D
And as for the 30,000 deaths annually from flu, could that figure be partly due to the existence of a vaccine? Similarly the 'mere' 50.000 or so Covid deaths (only 20,000 more!) could be due to the lockdown measures. Without that, maybe the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands. I can't say for sure, nor can any other bugger on here. So until a vaccine comes online I'll (reluctantly) follow the guidelines, because there's nothing else to do :(
anthonyTD
26-11-2020, 17:30
An alternative view [with some real facts thrown in] from a few of those many thousands mentioned;
Don't shoot the messenger! :)
Is it 100% Proven That Viruses Cause Disease in Humans?
Amazingly, no – it is not. Germ theory is just that: a theory. For those wanting a more technical explanation of this alternative understanding of viruses, check out Dr. Thomas Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman and especially Dr. Stefan Lanka. Kaufman has given some recent interviews with Crrow777 and Richie from Boston where he elaborates upon the idea that viruses have never been proven to cause disease. Both Cowan and Kaufman discuss the tests that were done after the 1918 Spanish Flu (an outbreak which it turns out was caused by EMFs/electrification and/or vaccines) where they had sick people breathe into healthy people’s mouths. The healthy people didn’t get sick. Likewise, they had sick horses sneeze and cough mucus, fluids, droplets, etc. into a bag, put food in that bag, then gave that food to healthy horses. They were unable to make the healthy horses sick.
Dr. Stefan Lanka is the king in this area. He is a German biologist and virologist who came to understand we have been lied to on a grand scale regarding the nature of the virus. He offered a reward of €100,000 for anyone who could scientifically prove that measles was a virus. That case that went all the way to the German Supreme Court where he won. Paul Fassa reports:
“At first it appeared he had lost. But Dr. Lanka took his loss to a higher court with more experts and the backing of two independent laboratories. He wound up not having to pay. It turned out that the “proof” provided was a composite of several different electron microscope images. And the composite involved different components of damaged cells. The composite could not be duplicated. The German Federal Supreme Court confirmed that there was not enough evidence to prove the existence of the measles virus.”
“In a recent ruling, judges at the German Federal Supreme Court (BGH) confirmed that the measles virus does not exist. Furthermore, there is not a single scientific study in the world which could prove the existence of the virus in any scientific literature. This raises the question of what was actually injected into millions over the past few decades. Not a single scientist, immunologist, infectious disease specialist or medical doctor has ever been able to establish a scientific foundation, not only for the vaccination of measles but any vaccination for infants, pregnant women, the elderly and even many adult subgroups.”
Lanka has spoken out against similar viral epidemics or pandemics, such as the H5N1 bird flu scare (which was being hyped in 2005). Finally, there are even other prominent virologists like professor Peter Duesberg who have stated with solid evidence that HIV does not cause AIDS. Here are some more quotes from Lanka (who speaks German, so translated into English):
“What viruses are there at all, then, and what are they doing?
Structures which you can characterize as viruses there are in many species of bacteria and in simple life forms, similar to the bacteria. They are elements of together-living of different cells in a common cell type which have remained independent. This is called a symbiosis, an endosymbiosis, which has arisen in the course of the process of different cell types’ and structures’ combining, an endosymbiosis which has brought forth the present cell type, that type of cells of which humans, animals and plants consist … Very important: Viruses are component parts of very simple organisms, for instance of the confervacea type of algae, a particular species of a one-celled chlorella alga and of very many bacteria. As existing there, these viral component parts are called phages. In complex organisms however, in particular in humans, or in animals or plants, such structures which you might call viruses have never been seen.
In contrast to the bacteria in our cells, the mitochondria, or the bacteria in every plant, the chloroplasts, which cannot leave the common cell, since they are dependent on the metabolism of the common cell, viruses can leave the cell, since they are not carrying out any survival-vital tasks within the cell.
Viruses, thus, are component parts of the cell which have turned their entire metabolism over to the common cell and therefore can leave the cell. Outside the common cell, they are helping other cells, in that they are transferring construction and energy substances. Any other function of theirs has never been observed.
Those actual viruses which have been scientifically demonstrated to exist are performing, in the very complex processes of interactions of different cells, a helping, a supporting and in no case a destructive function.
Also in the case of diseases, actually neither in the diseased organism nor in a bodily fluid has any structure which you could characterize as a virus ever been seen or isolated. The proposition that there is any sick-making virus whatsoever is a transparent swindle, a fatal lie with dramatic consequences.”
Measles and Rubella are virus's according to everyone i know including the WHO. sorry but im out of this now. its becoming odd....
These other 'experts, who are being gagged by mainstream and social media, how did you hear about them, was it smoke signals or carrier pigeon? :D
Lol - on various non-mainstream (and that's the point, as they're being forced to use such platforms, due to having been gagged elsewhere) media outlets. That shouldn't be necessary, though! They should be on national TV and radio, offering their contrary opinions and stating their cases, for the benefit of presenting a WIDER and more BALANCED view of matters to the public.
If it were up to me, I'd have some of them assembled, along with other experts who support and/or have been advising the government on how to handle this 'pandemic', live on national TV, in an in-depth 'questions and answers' session, where members of the general public could participate and CHALLENGE the assembled experts on all matters relating to this 'pandemic', including vaccines - and the questioning wouldn't just last for two minutes, like that during the joke nightly government 'briefings' on the BBC news; it would a couple of hours long and take place, say twice weekly, until Covid was no longer presenting us with such a problem.
Get EVERYTHING all out into the open, with the authorities making the rules being 100% TRANSPARENT and ACCOUNTABLE for their actions - then let the people decide which experts to follow, not simply those they're being told to blindly obey by the government. Knowledge is power. That's what should happen in a truly free and democratic country, as opposed to an increasingly thinly disguised dictatorship!
And as for the 30,000 deaths annually from flu, could that figure be partly due to the existence of a vaccine?
Well my first thought would be that if 30,000 people are still dying every year from flu, then the vaccine is piss-poor effective! Seems that way, no? So what chance have completely new and untried ones got of being any more effective against Covid?
My second thought would be that if there were no flu vaccine, then even more folks would've died, so that simply highlights how serious a virus flu is - YET the country has never been subjected to lockdowns, mask wearing and social distancing, etc, in order to prevent the spread of flu...
Pre-flu vaccine (when was it invented - do you know? I think it was around the 1940s), and with otherwise many tens of thousands of people dying from flu every year, can you remember the sort of hoo-hah we're seeng now with Covid, having been created to tackle flu?
No, I don't remember anything either... So you should ask yourself WHY....
Similarly the 'mere' 50.000 or so Covid deaths (only 20,000 more!) could be due to the lockdown measures. Without that, maybe the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands.
I didn't say 'mere', and nor was I demeaning the number of deaths as insignificant (one death is one too many). My point was that why are 50,000 Covid deaths seemingly of 'greater importance' or significance than 30,000 flu deaths? Is the 30,000 deaths from flu not just as important a statistic to warrant similar action, in terms of prevention of its spread, as we're seeing now with Covid?
And your point about the potentially greater number of deaths there could've been from Covid, without lockdowns, is only valid if you believe that the current death figures are accurate, and not being deliberately inflated for effect - and there is credible evidence of that around if you care to look.
Plus, like I said, where are the death stats for all the people who've committed suicide from the effect of lockdowns and loss of jobs/income, plus those from folks who couldn't get cancer or other vital treatments? Don't they count either - or is that just seen as 'collateral damage'??
Marco.
Measles and Rubella are virus's according to everyone i know including the WHO.
And there are plenty of electron microscope images available of paramyxovirus, which cause measles, mumps and rubella.
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