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Scorps
05-05-2020, 23:30
drones are on way

Ninanina
05-05-2020, 23:35
I find that pretty sexy...... :doh:

Scorps
05-05-2020, 23:55
so an exhibitionist

Ninanina
05-05-2020, 23:56
not at all.. just being honest... :eyebrows:

Scorps
06-05-2020, 00:27
to find it sexy surely means u have a bit of an exhibitionists lean

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 00:40
not really thought about that to be honest... just like to get a guy going I guess.. that'd really turn me on..

Scorps
06-05-2020, 01:09
doubt u have any probs in that area

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 01:10
I cannot comment... however... :eek:

Scorps
06-05-2020, 01:21
few indecent pics will do that lol

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 01:23
I only share with close guy... they seem to like it :eyebrows:

Scorps
06-05-2020, 01:28
would b rude not to i would of thought

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 01:30
Just what I like to do, is all... like getting em too... :stalks:

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 01:42
I really should post something 'hifi' wise... I will do...really I will :lol:

Scorps
06-05-2020, 01:49
so do you have a pair of maggies

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 01:50
I do indeed Pete... you heard them ?

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 01:55
Gosh serious hifi chat.... whatever next :lol:

Scorps
06-05-2020, 01:57
very nearly bought a pair bout 10 yr ago same time i got the sooloos. Was picking up sooloos then going to guy wi maggies cant remember model offhand but was 4 panels. He text me while i was buying to say he had knocked one over and had bust it so i ended up buying my pmc. Do love the mid n top end and realism of electrostatics have heard few martin logan ones n quad n always been intrigued. Always boils down to bottom end i like a pair of speakers that when house is empty or occasionally when it isnt i can make shake.

Scorps
06-05-2020, 02:06
thinking of cheating n scratching my itch by getting some electrostatic headphones then get best of both worlds. Just need to find some for a bargain.

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 02:09
I owned 57's for years, which I loved... when I moved I just didn't have room for electrostats... I've never heard ML's...

I know what you mean about this missing "bottom end" but that doesn't bother me one bit... however if I know my lovely neighbour isn't in they do 'wick up' quite nicely

When I went to the dealer for the Maggies I thought I'd be buying the 1.7's but after hearing the .7's... I just prefered them, sound wise...it wasn't due to money either as I'd already put aside enough for the 1.7's to come home with me

It's taken me about 25 odd years to get to a sound I'm 100% happy with and it's a nice place to be... I can't see me changing anything... the 383 & 390 seem to like the Maggies too

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 02:11
thinking of cheating n scratching my itch by getting some electrostatic headphones then get best of both worlds. Just need to find some for a bargain.

Go for it Pete..nothing ventured etc etc...

struth
06-05-2020, 02:11
thinking of cheating n scratching my itch by getting some electrostatic headphones then get best of both worlds. Just need to find some for a bargain.I recently bought a couple of sets of electets. A hybrid electrostatic. I got them as they were nice and light etc and ones I usually wear are too heavy for my neck.
If you want to try I could send u a set. They are quite pretty wood finished

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 02:17
I recently bought a couple of sets of electets. A hybrid electrostatic. I got them as they were nice and light etc and ones I usually wear are too heavy for my neck.
If you want to try I could send u a set. They are quite pretty wood finished

That's very generous of you Grant...

Scorps
06-05-2020, 02:19
aye very generous might well take you up on that offer at some point could even do a swap u take mi hugo 2 for a month n i have your headphones

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 02:22
I had a Hugo for a little while.. I can't remember which one mind... I loved the sound but hated the ergonomics... still the best Dac I had was the Audio Note though...

Scorps
06-05-2020, 02:25
got hugo tt2 at mo and is stunning ergonomics bit quirky but is no denying the sound

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 02:30
I did like the Hugo... as you say it's a "bit quirky"...however after a while I found it just 'too much' somehow... too much detail maybe... I don't know

I also owned the Naim Dac for some time which I liked... but, still, if I had to own another Dac I would go straight for the Audio Note tube dac...

Ninanina
06-05-2020, 02:33
See... I can talk hifi... :)

Marco
06-05-2020, 07:11
I had a Hugo for a little while..

Yes, he told me you had him - not only 'had' him, but RUINED him!:D:eyebrows:

Marco.

struth
06-05-2020, 09:42
aye very generous might well take you up on that offer at some point could even do a swap u take mi hugo 2 for a month n i have your headphones

sure, let me know...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200506/9d83cf0bd1604e1976c846e3aa26c5a8.jpg

Marco
06-05-2020, 11:26
As I was saying to you the other day, Grant, you should try some of the Audio Technica open-backed designs, such as these:

https://premiumsound.co.uk/product/headphones/over-ear/audio-technica-ath-ad700x/

With headphones especially, most of the music's in the midrange, and quality, open-backed headphones produced a beautifully lucid and 'airy' sound, which I think would suit your tastes in music perfectly:)

ATs also deliver big on the SPPV front, due to economies of scale, so a £200 pair of their high-end headphones is often the sonic equivalent of £500+ designs from smaller, supposedly 'specialist' manufacturers...;)

They're also light and comfy to wear!

Marco.

southall-1998_mk2
06-05-2020, 14:14
As I was saying to you the other day, Grant, you should try some of the Audio Technica open-backed designs, such as these:

https://premiumsound.co.uk/product/headphones/over-ear/audio-technica-ath-ad700x/

With headphones especially, most of the music's in the midrange, and quality, open-backed headphones produced a beautifully lucid and 'airy' sound, which I think would suit your tastes in music perfectly:)

ATs also deliver big on the SPPV front, due to economies of scale, so a £200 pair of their high-end headphones is often the sonic equivalent of £500+ designs from smaller, supposedly 'specialist' manufacturers...;)

They're also light and comfy to wear!

Marco.

They look nice, Marco. Is that the exact AT headphone you use? I imagine they are easy to drive?

S.

struth
06-05-2020, 14:19
As I was saying to you the other day, Grant, you should try some of the Audio Technica open-backed designs, such as these:

https://premiumsound.co.uk/product/headphones/over-ear/audio-technica-ath-ad700x/

With headphones especially, most of the music's in the midrange, and quality, open-backed headphones produced a beautifully lucid and 'airy' sound, which I think would suit your tastes in music perfectly:)

ATs also deliver big on the SPPV front, due to economies of scale, so a £200 pair of their high-end headphones is often the sonic equivalent of £500+ designs from smaller, supposedly 'specialist' manufacturers...;)

They're also light and comfy to wear!

Marco.

I had a set of at's similar to those many years ago.. they were quite good, and i drove them with a graham slee headphone amp, out of the tape sockets of my mfa1000.. was good.

southall-1998_mk2
06-05-2020, 14:25
I had a set of at's similar to those many years ago.. they were quite good, and i drove them with a graham slee headphone amp, out of the tape sockets of my mfa1000.. was good.


I like Graham Slee Headphone Amps. The Novo is a nice little unit.

S.

struth
06-05-2020, 14:32
I like Graham Slee Headphone Amps. The Novo is a nice little unit.

S.Think it was a novo. Sweet sounding anyway although a touch small

Marco
06-05-2020, 15:01
Hi Shane,

No, but I've used them before and they come highly recommended:)

Marco.

Barry
07-05-2020, 19:19
Replaced the flex on an iron today. It had frayed with use, and even worse the outer rubber cladding had split exposing the three inner cores. Often with modern electrical items, they are deliberately designed to be irreparable, but this was an old model: a Rowenta made in Czechoslovakia and some thirty years old.

Even so, I could not see how to to dismantle it to replace the lead. As always, my partner just took one look at it and spotted a solitary fixing screw tucked away behind the rubber cable relief shroud. It was then straightforward to open up the iron and replace the lead, but it took an extra pair of hands to refit the screw!

Marco
07-05-2020, 19:49
As always, my partner just took one look at it and spotted a solitary fixing screw tucked away behind the rubber cable relief shroud. It was then straightforward to open up the iron and replace the lead, but it took an extra pair of hands to refit the screw!

Is Happy back home with you now, Barry? I thought she was away...

Marco.

Alex_UK
08-05-2020, 11:31
Heard the kids squabbling in the living room the other day then a loud bang. Went in there to find this...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200508/b7029e2aac36a6253634033e8c74b88a.jpg


The little sods had actually pranked us - this is a You Tube video depicting a broken screen! Gits! :lol: (must admit it was a good prank though!)


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

struth
08-05-2020, 11:34
lol..

walpurgis
08-05-2020, 11:37
Excellent! :lol:

Barry
08-05-2020, 11:52
I bet that nearly gave you a heart attack Alex. Good prank though! :D

Frazeur1
08-05-2020, 14:35
Indeed, excellent prank for sure!

Pigmy Pony
08-05-2020, 15:20
just wait till they hit their teens, and these things start to happen for real :D

struth
08-05-2020, 18:14
Son in law borrowed my sander and with the 2 kids made themselves a wine shelf out of an old pallet.
Quite good. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200508/d03119a3da2798716d0f5ad44f8d5fc1.jpg

Barry
08-05-2020, 18:22
Looks good Grant. I like to see things that have been re-cyled/up-cycled to good effect. :)

walpurgis
08-05-2020, 18:34
Son in law borrowed my sander and with the 2 kids made themselves a wine shelf out of an old pallet.
Quite good. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200508/d03119a3da2798716d0f5ad44f8d5fc1.jpg

I like that! :)

Barry
09-05-2020, 17:28
Went out for my daily walk today. I ended up in a large playing field - layed down on the grass in the middle and just enjoyed the fine, warm weather, the birdsong and watching the occasional rabbit hop around in the distance. With the absence of man-made sounds (i.e. traffic) and activity, this was Nature being allowed to do what it does best. :)

And I was social distancing: there was at least 100m all around , between me and the hedgerows.

Alex_UK
09-05-2020, 18:54
Went out for my daily walk today. I ended up in a large playing field - layed down on the grass in the middle and just enjoyed the fine, warm weather, the birdsong and watching the occasional rabbit hop around in the distance. With the absence of man-made sounds (i.e. traffic) and activity, this was Nature being allowed to do what it does best. :)

And I was social distancing: there was at least 100m all around , between me and the hedgerows.

Lovely, Barry. We tried a new route through the farmland around our village and it was lovely, saw a pair of Buzzards riding the thermals and not another human being whatsoever - bliss!

walpurgis
10-05-2020, 12:02
Latest Tesco grocery delivery due anytime. If they can find the place, which they often can't!

I have everything delivered now, even the chemist drops stuff off. No aggro and keeps us safe.

Marco
10-05-2020, 12:04
Yesh, including Chinese or curries!:eyebrows:;)

Marco.

struth
10-05-2020, 12:08
latest tesco grocery delivery due anytime. If they can find the place, which they often can't!

I have everything delivered now, even the chemist drops stuff off. No aggro and keeps us safe.

yup me too.. Although cant get tesco or other shop deliveries.

Marco
10-05-2020, 13:03
Never had anything delivered from a supermarket, and don't intend on doing so either, until I'm too old or infirm to visit the shop. However, I FULLY understand why you guys avail of that facility, especially now:)

Marco.

struth
10-05-2020, 13:10
Never had anything delivered from a supermarket, and don't intend on doing so either, until I'm too old or infirm to visit the shop. However, I FULLY understand why you guys avail of that facility, especially now:)

Marco.

i just managed to procure one :eyebrows:... that will help a lot.

walpurgis
10-05-2020, 13:54
Just had mine. Absolutely no room at all left in the freezers!

Should be OK for at least a couple of weeks now.

Marco
10-05-2020, 15:01
i just managed to procure one :eyebrows:... that will help a lot.

Nice one. As I said, using a delivery service is fine for the reasons you guys are doing it. It would never work for me, as I'm too much of an impulsive shopper. I take a short list of essentials with me every time I go to a supermarket - items I defo don't want to leave without - and the rest is down what I fancy buying in the spur of the moment!

And that's simply down to, physically, what I like the look of, or I 'take a notion' to buying ON THE DAY - neither of which can be done in advance, by looking at a computer screen/clicking a mouse...;)

Marco.

Barry
10-05-2020, 15:17
Same here Marco,

We go out every day either for a walk or to do a bit of shopping (not only for ourselves, but for my neighbour who can't get out).

If I need to shop I make up a shopping list for essentials, and anything else that "takes our fancy" is bought at the same time.

No doubt in time, for convenience I will have to arrange a supermarket home delivery - but until then we are able manage quite well.

walpurgis
11-05-2020, 13:46
That was handy. I just managed to get signed up for Sainsbury's home grocery deliveries, even though their site was saying no new customers were being taken on. I checked and was offered slot bookings, so I should get them when I need them

Now to see if I can wangle my way into getting ASDA deliveries.

It pays to have options, as they can each be difficult to find delivery slots with.

Ian7633
11-05-2020, 18:49
That was handy. I just managed to get signed up for Sainsbury's home grocery deliveries, even though their site was saying no new customers were being taken on. I checked and was offered slot bookings, so I should get them when I need them

Now to see if I can wangle my way into getting ASDA deliveries.

It pays to have options, as they can each be difficult to find delivery slots with.

If you can get in with Asda and sign up for their delivery pass scheme you can book recurring slots, no need to keep checking availability.

walpurgis
11-05-2020, 19:06
If you can get in with Asda and sign up for their delivery pass scheme you can book recurring slots, no need to keep checking availability.

Been trying, but I've had problems with their site.

Ian7633
11-05-2020, 19:09
Been trying, but I've had problems with their site.

I think the Asda website struggles to keep up since the lockdown has increased demand so much.

walpurgis
12-05-2020, 10:04
President Chump throws toys out of pram after being asked "a nasty question". :rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/trump-us-latest-coronavirus-reporters

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-12/you-should-ask-china-donald-trump-walks-out-after-feisty-exchange-with-reporters/

Marco
12-05-2020, 11:16
Today I will wash my balls.

Marco.

Macca
12-05-2020, 12:06
Squash, volley or golf?

Marco
12-05-2020, 13:39
All three, plus the hairier, more 'organic' variety:D

I usually hang fire from conducting any ablutions until the sack's outer crust has 'matured' nicely, rather like with a good Camembert.

Marco.

Scorps
12-05-2020, 21:18
Bruth been missing his golf will be there on Wednesday

Macca
21-05-2020, 11:34
One for the Partridge fans:

https://i.imgur.com/gxFqFNs.png

Roy S
21-05-2020, 12:13
One for the Partridge fans:

https://i.imgur.com/gxFqFNs.png

Didn't they actually make cooking in prison or something similar?

Macca
21-05-2020, 12:40
I think they did a few years back with some celebrity chef.

Sadly 'Youth Hostelling With Chris Eubank' was never made although I have read that there was a TV advert for a Youth Hostel organisation which did feature Chris Eubank.

Still waiting for Sky to do 'Inner City Sumo' though. Cheap to make, do it in a pub car park.

Ian7633
21-05-2020, 13:17
"Monkey Tennis" was another sadly unmade viewing delight. As Marco would say "smell my cheese"

Macca
21-05-2020, 13:29
In a 2011 interview with Richard Bacon on BBC Radio Five Live, Alan Partridge claimed that Monkey Tennis was picked up and was a popular show in Taiwan and Laos for two years after which it had reached the end of its natural life, as had some of the monkeys. He noted that surviving monkeys were "quickly and humanely destroyed". http://dictionary.sensagent.com/monkey%20tennis/en-en/

'Cooking In Prison' was a Gordon Ramsey show although they changed the title to 'Gordon Behind Bars' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Behind_Bars

struth
21-05-2020, 13:59
https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/posters/monkey-tennis-was-it-something-i-said-humor-poster-print_a-G-8928235-0.jpg
shame overload

Marco
21-05-2020, 15:38
Soz, I don't have the *slightest scooby-doo* what the last six posts are about!:scratch::confused:

Marco.

Macca
21-05-2020, 15:52
Partridge and Partridgisms

Marco
21-05-2020, 15:59
Yesh I gathered that much, but what promoted you to post it [#5066] in the first place - had you been watching AP, or was it just something that for some reason flew into your daft nut?:D

Marco.

Macca
21-05-2020, 16:14
Just came across it and it made me laugh.

Pigmy Pony
21-05-2020, 18:30
Right, time for a break I think, because I'M BORED WITH IT ALL. I'll come back when I feel I have something worth saying, so I may be gone for some time :)

Marco
21-05-2020, 18:34
Just came across it and it made me laugh.

Lol - no worries... I do like AP. I enjoy his humour and consider it as quite clever, but am not sufficiently familiar with his material to appreciate/get the significance of the stuff you were posting:)

Marco.

struth
22-05-2020, 11:00
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/techno...-to-herd-sheep

the future robodog

Marco
22-05-2020, 22:40
Linky no validy...;)

Marco.

struth
23-05-2020, 00:26
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/robot-dog-trials-sheep-herding-105223751.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS9zZWFy Y2g_Y2xpZW50PWZpcmVmb3gtYi1tJnN4c3JmPUFMZUtrMDM4aj RaRzB4ZlZfU3M4cmthVU9vandxUWIzR3clM0ExNTkwMTkzNDQ4 NTY1JnE9cm9ib2RvZytzaGVwaGVyZGluZytzaGVlcCZvcT1yb2 JvZG9nK3NoZXBoZXJkaW5nK3NoZWVwJmFxcz1oZWlybG9vbS1z cnAuLg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACm3dxBm2RwGVYobBYOKfd1hiq2l GrecD_LNs0DEGg0Ba6hnMR1vQXiSbTDI0JS2hOYqPGdvv_WWn7 9xT7no5gJjeJOAu8DE6BW1npztVK4NpKUb_DWerhSq8HdYP6aY 9IdRTS6dMyxG7cx0-UfTYG2gfSH_GjnOtyF-XRged-Ye

struth
29-05-2020, 09:58
Talk talk seems to be down.. On my 4g at moment to get through..

Doh

Anyone else got issues

walpurgis
29-05-2020, 11:04
Talk talk seems to be down.. On my 4g at moment to get through..

Doh

Anyone else got issues

My internet's been down. I went out for a while and it was working again when I got back.

Marco
29-05-2020, 11:07
Yesh, but yours is up and down more often than a tart's knickers!:D

Treat yourself to a more reliable ISP for your birthday:ner:;)

Marco.

walpurgis
31-05-2020, 16:53
I expect there'll be trouble in town tonight. Crowds are gathering outside the US embassy and by Downing Street. Allegedly in solidarity with the George Floyd protests in America. Of course, it's just going to turn into an excuse for insurrection, as it already has over there. The majority will not give a toss about George Floyd and will be using this as an excuse to cause mayhem! Just wait and see.

tapid
31-05-2020, 17:12
I expect there'll be trouble in town tonight. Crowds are gathering outside the US embassy and by Downing Street. Allegedly in solidarity with the George Floyd protests in America. Of course, it's just going to turn into an excuse for insurrection, as it already has over there. The majority will not give a toss about George Floyd and will be using this as an excuse to cause mayhem! Just wait and see.

Expect to see any social distancing Geoff ?.... Okay, I ll answer that. NO

Macca
31-05-2020, 17:14
Last night Channel 4 News showed footage of the riots in US and described it as the crowd 'Venting their anger over the death of George Floyd' when they were clearly just looting some shops. They must think we're stupid or something.

struth
31-05-2020, 17:52
I can understand the upset, but turning it into what it has become just muddies the waters completely.

Ian7633
02-06-2020, 13:48
Having moved house 3 months ago I'm still trying to find stuff that was carefully packed away, so carefully in fact that I can't bloody find them. This was true of my air conditioning unit which I want to use . It's just 3 components, the unit itself which is big and heavy, the exhaust tube and the exhaust mounting plate. Found the first 2 no problem but no sign of the plate. It was of course in the last unpacked box, why does that happen lol.

walpurgis
02-06-2020, 18:03
Queueing for a McDonalds. :rolleyes:

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2020-06-02/hundreds-of-drivers-queue-as-mcdonalds-branches-reopen/

Yesterday it was Ikea. What is wrong with these people?

Macca
02-06-2020, 18:08
There was a thousand people queuing to get into Ikea in Warrington! And they were only letting a few in at a time. Imagine getting there and there's 999 people ahead of you in the queue. But instead of saying fuck that for a game of soldiers, you join the back of the line and wait for hours! Just to buy some Swedish tat! I think these people must actually be a different species to me.

walpurgis
02-06-2020, 18:14
How desperately can one need a coffee table or bookshelf?

Joe
02-06-2020, 18:14
I guess there's not much else to do in Warrington. I'm with Macca on this though. Personally I'd view not being able to go to Ikea as one of the few positives to emerge from lockdown.

Macca
02-06-2020, 18:16
How desperately can one need a coffee table or bookshelf?

Maybe they were all after the meatballs (no longer made from horses)?

Macca
02-06-2020, 18:23
I guess there's not much else to do in Warrington. I'm with Macca on this though. Personally I'd view not being able to go to Ikea as one of the few positives to emerge from lockdown.

I know it's been terrible for a lot people but I've not encountered any negatives personally. I get to work from home, which is a major plus. It was lovely and quiet round here for a month or so, with amazingly clean air. And since I've always viewed having to leave the house for anything except work as being a result of a major error in planning that's not bothered me either.

Joe
02-06-2020, 18:31
I know it's been terrible for a lot people but I've not encountered any negatives personally. I get to work from home, which is a major plus. It was lovely and quiet round here for a month or so, with amazingly clean air. And since I've always viewed having to leave the house for anything except work as being a result of a major error in planning that's not bothered me either.

Well, same here, really.

I do feel sorry for those who have had young children/teenagers cooped up with them for weeks on end (and for the young children/teenagers themselves), and for those who have lost or are likely to lose their jobs. My sister-in-law hasn't been able to see her grandchildren for several months; there's a new one due soon and she may not get to see him/her for some time yet.

walpurgis
02-06-2020, 18:33
The lockdown has not really bothered me and I'd regard it as a brilliant idea if 2.0m social distancing became permanent! :)

Marco
02-06-2020, 18:36
I know it's been terrible for a lot people but I've not encountered any negatives personally. I get to work from home, which is a major plus. It was lovely and quiet round here for a month or so, with amazingly clean air. And since I've always viewed having to leave the house for anything except work as being a result of a major error in planning that's not bothered me either.

Yup, I totally get that. However, I'm curious as to how you pass your day now, in the absence of working, how do you spend your time, for all the hours you'd normally have been at work? :)

You have no garden, you don't drive (not that anyone just now is able to go far or visit anywhere interesting), and to the best of my knowledge no other hobbies apart from hi-fi, plus the pubs are all closed, so aside from posting here and watching TV or listening to music, how exactly has Macca been passing his time during lockdown...? :scratch: :hmm:

:D;)

Marco.

Marco
02-06-2020, 18:39
As for Ikea [we've often used the Warrington store in the past, as it's the nearest], there's a couple of things we'd like for the garden, but nothing that would warrant being stuck in HUGE traffic jams and queues for, not only to get INTO the store, but at the checkouts, which even during normal times are a bloody NIGHTMARE...!!:doh:

So until things begin to return to SOME semblance of normality, you can KEEP it! Life's too short. In that sense, it never fails to amaze me how, for the masses, such things don't appear to matter - they just seem to LOVE sitting in queues and traffic jams, in order to buy things that are completely unnecessary!!:rolleyes:

Marco.

Macca
02-06-2020, 18:45
Yup, I totally get that. However, I'm curious as to how you pass your day now, in the absence of working, how do you spend your time? :)

You have no garden, you don't drive (not that anyone just now is able to go far or visit anywhere interesting), and to the best of my knowledge no other hobbies apart from hi-fi, plus the pubs are all closed, so aside from posting here and watching TV or listening to music, how exactly has Macca been passing his time during lockdown...? :scratch: :hmm:

:D;)

Marco.

I'm still working 9 to 5. Passing the rest of the time same as I always do - music, telly, sleeping. And I've got a computer game where you have to fight the Vietnam War, Takes about an hour to play a turn and there's 120 turns. That eats up the time like you won't believe. Not a shoot 'em up thing, it's proper strategy game and bloody difficult.

Not really doing anything different from normal, like I said.

Macca
02-06-2020, 18:49
Oh yeah and at the weekend I've been cleaning up the house. Properly, mind, inch by inch. Still plenty of that to go at.

Marco
02-06-2020, 18:55
I do feel sorry for those who have had young children/teenagers cooped up with them for weeks on end (and for the young children/teenagers themselves), and for those who have lost or are likely to lose their jobs. My sister-in-law hasn't been able to see her grandchildren for several months; there's a new one due soon and she may not get to see him/her for some time yet.

Ditto, and I hope she gets to see them (and the new arrival) soon. And yes, the lockdown or virus hasn't really affected us in any serious way either so far.

However, speaking for myself, and as someone who's essentially a 'free spirit', largely divorced from the system and who values his FREEDOM, second only to his life and that of others he loves or cares for, and who's used to doing WHAT he likes, WHEN he likes, and also GOING where he likes, when he likes, whilst (within reason) being answerable to no-one, I utterly ABHOR being told by the authorities what I can do and where I can go - and essentially being placed under house arrest. *That* REALLY irks!!

I detest ANYONE being 'in charge' of my daily life, or movements, as I'm simply not used to it. That's why I'm so passionate about protecting my human rights and civil liberties.

So for me, as soon as those shackles are removed, the better, especially as I'm a social animal (not a loner, as many here appear to be) and so enjoy seeing my friends and family (many who've been unable to visit from Scotland during this pandemic), plus taking my wife out for a nice meal, or to the cinema, pub, etc, etc, oh and to get a freakin' haircut (!!) plus, and this is a real BIGGIE for me, as a practicing Catholic, being able to attend weekly masses at church, and praying to God in the normal way, as part of a congregation and in the presence of my priest (Canon), or Bishop, rather than watching a totally soulless streamed version of it on a TV!:rolleyes:

Spiritual sustenance is as important to other Christians and me, as any other kind.

Therefore, as soon as all that returns to some semblance of normality, the happier I'll be, BUT I'm also acutely aware and grateful of how lucky I am compared to some!! So let's all hope that we can get through this pandemic are quickly as possible, and once again be FREE and IN CONTROL of OUR own lives...

Marco.

Marco
02-06-2020, 19:05
I'm still working 9 to 5. Passing the rest of the time same as I always do - music, telly, sleeping. And I've got a computer game where you have to fight the Vietnam War, Takes about an hour to play a turn and there's 120 turns. That eats up the time like you won't believe. Not a shoot 'em up thing, it's proper strategy game and bloody difficult.

Not really doing anything different from normal, like I said.

No worries, gotcha! Well done with the cleaning, shows how bored you are, lol! So next time I visit, I'll be able to eat off the floor?:D;)

Marco.

Macca
02-06-2020, 19:43
No worries, gotcha! Well done with the cleaning, shows how bored you are, lol! So next time I visit, I'll be able to eat off the floor?:D;)

Marco.

Not been bored at all. I always try to do some serious cleaning in the spring. Did the upstairs last year. That was a job and a half. Especially the back bedroom. You know when they excavate those Egyptian tombs and first of all they have to clear 500 tons of rubble from the entrance passageway by hand? That's what it was like.

Marco
02-06-2020, 19:52
Lol... The question you have to ask though, is WHY did you let it get that way in the first place?;)

TBH, having that level of clutter around would've done my box right in... I mean SERIOUSLY SO - I'd have made me ILL!:eek:

Marco [likes to live in a tidy and organised environment]

Macca
02-06-2020, 20:00
Lol... The question you have to ask though, is WHY did you let it get that way in the first place?;)

TBH, having that level of clutter around would've done my box right in... I mean SERIOUSLY SO - I'd have made me ILL!:eek:

Marco [likes to live in a tidy and organised environment]

Well there's only me here and I only need one bedroom. So the other one just got used as a store-room. But eventually it got to the point where I couldn't even get in there. Still quite a lot of gear in there but now it's all tidy and organised. I don't really fret about stuff like that, it's not important. But it had got out of hand and needed sorting.

Marco
02-06-2020, 20:06
No worries mate, but it shows how in that respect we're very different. I'd have made the spare room into some sort of usable living space. Has it never bothered you from the point of view of bringing a chick back to entertain, even when you were younger? In that respect, I'd always want to have some kind of cool 'bachelor pad', to woo the ladeez...:eyebrows:

Trust me, if I were a single guy, *that* would be a major consideration - even at your age!;)

Marco [loves female company].

Macca
02-06-2020, 20:34
When I moved in 20 years ago I had no furniture at all and hardly any possessions, just a telly, the hi-fi and some records. And the telly was rented. Every room was empty. It just built up over time. So was not a problem. As far as women are concerned, always use her place to get together or next thing you know she's moved in. Done all that in the past and I'd rather live on my own.

Marco
02-06-2020, 20:51
Fairy muff, but that may be because you just haven't found the right woman to share your life with. Unfortunately, you've got a rather cynical attitude in that respect, probably (justifiably) because of past bad experiences, but it doesn't need to be like that.

I just couldn't live without having a companion or someone/something to care for or come home to, even if it was just a dog or a cat, the latter which incidentally I think you should seriously consider getting when you retire:)

Marco.

tapid
02-06-2020, 21:18
Fairy muff, but that may be because you just haven't found the right woman to share your life with. You've got a rather cynical attitude in that respect, probably (justifiably) because of past bad experiences, but it doesn't need to be like that.

I just couldn't live without having a companion or someone/something to care for or come home to, even if it was just a dog or a cat, the latter which incidentally I think you should seriously consider getting when you retire:)

Marco. Don't need a cat.... He s got the Oppo

Marco
02-06-2020, 21:38
Lol - does it make a good cuppa, too?:D

Marco.

Joe
03-06-2020, 09:38
as a practicing Catholic, being able to attend weekly masses at church, and praying to God in the normal way, as part of a congregation and in the presence of my priest (Canon), or Bishop, rather than watching a totally soulless streamed version of it on a TV!:rolleyes:


Sadly, church services are amongst the most significant sources of infections. Almost all of Singapore's initial cases stemmed from a Chinese couple, who had the virus but no symptoms, attending a church service where a large number of attendees contracted the virus. More recently, as I mentioned in another post, a church in Germany which had just re-started services had sixty of its congregation fall ill with the virus, even though all wore face masks and the church was disinfected. So even after many other venues are re-opened, I expect churches will continue to play it safe and either remain closed or limit attendance.

Joe
03-06-2020, 09:47
Well there's only me here and I only need one bedroom. So the other one just got used as a store-room. But eventually it got to the point where I couldn't even get in there. Still quite a lot of gear in there but now it's all tidy and organised. I don't really fret about stuff like that, it's not important. But it had got out of hand and needed sorting.

I'm oblivious to my surroundings most of the time and can happily ignore the clobber surrounding me. But a few months ago we needed to have some work done in our top bedroom, which currently serves as an office/storage space and stand-by listening room, and which had become filled with 'stuff'. We cleared the place out, had the work done, then I re-decorated it. We bought some new curtains as we were having people to stay and the old curtains were, frankly, a disgrace. The room is now a much better place to be in, and we've tried not to let the 'stuff' creep back.

The main issue in or house is books. They're all over the place, in every single room, and a) the library's closed so we can't return books we've borrowed and b) the charity shops are closed so we can't offload surplus stock. When the weather was dry, the woman down the road just put loads of books on her garden wall and invited people to help themselves. Caroline couldn't resist picking up a few just to add to the thousands we already own.

Marco
03-06-2020, 11:43
Sadly, church services are amongst the most significant sources of infections. Almost all of Singapore's initial cases stemmed from a Chinese couple, who had the virus but no symptoms, attending a church service where a large number of attendees contracted the virus. More recently, as I mentioned in another post, a church in Germany which had just re-started services had sixty of its congregation fall ill with the virus, even though all wore face masks and the church was disinfected. So even after many other venues are re-opened, I expect churches will continue to play it safe and either remain closed or limit attendance.

Yeah, although according to BJ's plan on easing the lockdown, places of worship are due to reopen on 4th July, providing on how the 'land lies' then... And of course, as you say, depending also on how they can be safely used and comply with 'social distancing'.

Marco.

Marco
03-06-2020, 12:30
Missed this...


There was a thousand people queuing to get into Ikea in Warrington! And they were only letting a few in at a time. Imagine getting there and there's 999 people ahead of you in the queue. But instead of saying fuck that for a game of soldiers, you join the back of the line and wait for hours! Just to buy some Swedish tat! I think these people must actually be a different species to me.

I know, same here. For me, it's one of the most unfathomable and bizarre forms of modern human behaviour - not forgetting of course that the vast majority of said 'lemmings' will have driven for MILES and stood in HUGE traffic jams on the motorway to get there, and then had to wait for a parking space, in order to obtain the 'privilege' of joining that queue!:mental:

Realistically, unless you live somewhere near the store, then from the point of leaving home to fulfilling any kind of successful shopping trip, and returning home, you've got to be looking at least 6 hours of stress and misery - and for what...??

I'd just love to interview a group of them, and ask how exactly the broken bottles rattling around inside their heads, posing as 'brains', actually function!! :doh:

I guess it's the price you pay for consumerism, and creating such a mindless and materialistic society.

Marco.

struth
03-06-2020, 12:33
There were queues of several hundred cars to get a big mac up here yesterday:doh:

Marco
03-06-2020, 12:43
Yup, and I've seen similar happening in other places. Utter lunacy... And you don't think that these folk are brainwashed?;)

Bearing in mind what we were talking about recently, in reference to subliminal advertising and technology CONTROLLING you........!

Quite simply, we've created a nation of zombies - and it's only going to get worse!!

Marco.

struth
03-06-2020, 12:46
Yup, and I've seen similar happening in other places. Utter lunacy... And you don't think these folk are brainwashed?;)

Bearing in mind what we were talking about recently, in reference to subliminal advertising and technology CONTROLLING you........!

Quite simply, we've created a nation of mindless zombies - and it's only going to get worse!!

Marco.

you would have thought after 10 weeks plus of home cooking they would have aspired above mcdonalds etc, but alas not... i can only hope most found it disgusting

Marco
03-06-2020, 12:50
More like 10 weeks of ordering takeaways and making oven chips! These lazy fools, who are so addicted to their junk food, just don't have a clue, and are simply slaves to brand names and the marketing forces that make them so 'desirable' to the easily led... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Marco.

Macca
03-06-2020, 13:03
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Did McDonalds create a crap burger then brainwash people to like it, or did they create a burger that (a lot of) people like? Seems to me the latter is a much easier task than the former.

Joe
03-06-2020, 13:11
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Did McDonalds create a crap burger then brainwash people to like it, or did they create a burger that (a lot of) people like? Seems to me the latter is a much easier task than the former.

'No-one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American public', as H L Mencken put it. I've never eaten at McDonalds, and don't understand the attraction. Maybe they put something addictive into their burgers, like Pringles do with their crisps? Either way, you can add 'queuing for a McDonalds' to 'queuing to get into Ikea' and 'queuing for hours at the airport' to the list of things I won't be doing.

Marco
03-06-2020, 13:23
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Did McDonalds create a crap burger then brainwash people to like it, or did they create a burger that (a lot of) people like? Seems to me the latter is a much easier task than the former.

Then, I'm sorry, you don't understand how subliminal advertising or marketing works, and the creation of a brand and the concept of giving people what they *THINK* they want, then profiting from it, by servicing and nurturing that 'want'... It's a classic marketing strategy, and the main reason why these idiots, despite having to wait in queues for hours, are flocking to Ikea and McDonalds, even if they don't realise it!;)

These huge companies invest multiple millions of pounds on subliminally 'embedding' their brand names into people's brains, via various different means, as they know it pays off. It's also why folks continually flock to buy the latest iPhone, and will sleep overnight outside of shops, in order to be first in the queue to get one... It's a form of brainwashing, pure and simple!

And it *is* a crap (grossly overpriced) burger, in comparison with the definition of a TRULY great burger, such as with access to a charcoal grill, you can easily make at home for half the price! But for the lazy, brainwashed masses it'll never be the same, as it's not a 'McDonalds'...:rolleyes:

Marco.

Macca
03-06-2020, 16:21
Then, I'm sorry, you don't understand how subliminal advertising or marketing works, and the creation of a brand and the concept of giving people what they *THINK* they want, then profiting from it, by servicing and nurturing that 'want'... It's a classic marketing strategy, and the main reason why these idiots, despite having to wait in queues for hours, are flocking to Ikea and McDonalds, even if they don't realise it!;)

These huge companies invest multiple millions of pounds on subliminally 'embedding' their brand names into people's brains, via various different means, as they know it pays off. It's also why folks continually flock to buy the latest iPhone, and will sleep overnight outside of shops, in order to be first in the queue to get one... It's a form of brainwashing, pure and simple!



Marco.

Well,,,,no. Brand identity is about discriminating your product from the competition. It isn't about creating a demand where none exists. There's a demand for affordable fast food, advertising is about getting people who are looking to buy it to buy yours and not the competitions. If there was no demand then there would be no product to begin with.

There are upmarket burger chains offering much better burgers than Mac Ds. But they are not competing for the same demographic. There's a demographic that can and will pay ten quid for a gourmet burger. Mac D is not aimed at that demographic. Likewise Ikea is not aiming at the demographic that wants traditional, high quality or bespoke furniture - your demographic? - or people who don't give a toss about furniture providing it functions adequately for the purpose - my demographic. But people need furniture of some description in the same way they - at least occasionally - need food on the go.

if I went round the streets collecting dogshit, froze it, and then started a business selling it how many people would buy it? None. Not even if I spent hundreds of millions and employed the best advertising and marketing consultants in the world. Because there is zero demand for frozen dogshit.

struth
03-06-2020, 16:25
well,,,,no. Brand identity is about discriminating your product from the competition. It isn't about creating a demand where none exists. There's a demand for affordable fast food, advertising is about getting people who are looking to buy it to buy yours and not the competitions. If there was no demand then there would be no product to begin with.

There are upmarket burger chains offering much better burgers than mac ds. But they are not competing for the same demographic. There's a demographic that can and will pay ten quid for a gourmet burger. Mac d is not aimed at that demographic. Likewise ikea is not aiming at the demographic that wants traditional, high quality or bespoke furniture - your demographic? - or people who don't give a toss about furniture providing it functions adequately for the purpose - my demographic. But people need furniture of some description in the same way they - at least occasionally - need food on the go.

If i went round the streets collecting dogshit, froze it, and then started a business selling it how many people would buy it? None. Not even if i spent hundreds of millions and employed the best advertising and marketing consultants in the world. because there is zero demand for frozen dogshit.

dunno about that.. Farmfoods do well

Marco
03-06-2020, 18:28
Well,,,,no. Brand identity is about discriminating your product from the competition. It isn't about creating a demand where none exists. There's a demand for affordable fast food, advertising is about getting people who are looking to buy it to buy yours and not the competitions. If there was no demand then there would be no product to begin with.


Yeah, but that's not what I mean. I'm talking about subliminal [the key word in terms of my point about brainwashing] advertising, not brand identity. The two are completely different. Read what I wrote again, and if you still don't get it, then we'll have to leave it there, and agree to disagree, as I don't have the energy for a circular argument.


There are upmarket burger chains offering much better burgers than Mac Ds. But they are not competing for the same demographic. There's a demographic that can and will pay ten quid for a gourmet burger. Mac D is not aimed at that demographic. Likewise Ikea is not aiming at the demographic that wants traditional, high quality or bespoke furniture - your demographic? - or people who don't give a toss about furniture providing it functions adequately for the purpose - my demographic. But people need furniture of some description in the same way they - at least occasionally - need food on the go.


Yeah sure, but I don't what that's got to do with what we're discussing?:scratch:

Marco.

Pigmy Pony
03-06-2020, 18:37
dunno about that.. Farmfoods do well

:lol: Anita thinks I'm losing it, laughing ay my laptop

Macca
03-06-2020, 18:39
You were saying that marketing is about giving people what they think they want, implying that no-one would want burgers unless they were told they want them. But people do want burgers, the purpose of marketing is not to create a demand for burgers but to direct the existing demand to your brand of burger.

Marco
03-06-2020, 18:51
You were saying that marketing is about giving people what they think they want...

Nope, that's why you're not getting it, and therefore missing my point. My main point was about subliminal advertising 'embedding' the brand name of a big company into the minds of their customers, or potential customers, making them WANT to buy that product without them realising it - and both McDonalds and Ikea do that very successfully!

That's my last attempt now to get you to understand before giving up!;)

Marco.

Pigmy Pony
03-06-2020, 19:03
Nope, that's why you're not getting it, and therefore missing my point. My main point was about subliminal advertising 'embedding' the brand name of a big company into the minds of their customers, or potential customers, making them WANT to buy that product without them realising it - and both McDonalds and Ikea do that very successfully!

That's my last attempt now to get you to understand before giving up!;)

Marco.

No, I'm struggling with this a bit too - where does this McDonalds subliminal advertising appear? I can't say I've come across it, but maybe that's the point. You seem to have noticed it though. Now it clearly isn't working on me as I don't care for McDonalds, and haven't had one of their burgers in years - how long since you had one?

Macca
03-06-2020, 19:14
Nope, that's why you're not getting it, and therefore missing my point. My main point was about subliminal advertising 'embedding' the brand name of a big company into the minds of their customers, or potential customers, making them WANT to buy that product without them realising it - and both McDonalds and Ikea do that very successfully!

That's my last attempt now to get you to understand before giving up!;)

Marco.

Well I don't disagree with that but it still won't make people eat burgers that they don't like, at least not more than once. Macdonalds go to a lot of effort to produce burgers that a lot of people do like. Which was the point I was making when I said you were putting the cart before the horse. It doesn't mean that people are brainwashed into liking something they would otherwise dislike, which is what you seemed to be saying.

The purpose of the advertising is to influence them towards selecting Macdonalds as opposed to trying another brand. And to eat Macdonalds more often than they otherwise would.

Marco
03-06-2020, 19:57
Well I don't disagree with that but it still won't make people eat burgers that they don't like...


Yes but if you enjoy burgers made by fast-food chains on a similar level, most of which are much of a muchness, then if the brand name of the company in question has been successfully embedded in your mind, via subliminal advertising, then you'll be more likely to buy theirs, than a competitor's.

And this bit is key to you understanding my point - if a burger chain spends enough money on such advertising, and does it well, then it gets to the point that whenever someone wants a burger, ONLY theirs will do - not necessarily because it's THE best burger in the world, but rather it's what they've been 'conditioned' (or brainwashed) into believing is what they WANT.

*That* is my point - and only subliminal advertising (as part of a company's marketing strategy) can successfully achieve it, and control your choices accordingly.

If you remember, we've been here before with brown sauce. You've been brought up to believe that the flavour of HP is what defines the true taste of brown sauce, and would still consider that to be the case even if you tried something else that you thought was *actually better*. But it still wouldn't be HP, so HP is what you'll continue to buy, regardless.

And it's exactly the same with products from McDonalds or IKEA, and what makes the brainwashed masses queue up for hours, if necessary, in order to obtain them.

Hopefully you can see where I'm coming from now, and if not, I give up!

Marco.
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Joe
03-06-2020, 21:12
Y
And it's exactly the same with products from McDonalds or IKEA, and what makes the brainwashed masses queue up for hours, if necessary, in order to obtain them.

Ikea meet a definite need, for cheap, reasonably well-made furniture that's ideal for people furnishing their first house or flat, and for landlords kitting out buy-to-lets. They also do all the other 'stuff' you're likely to need (eg cutlery and crockery) and it's all under one roof. When we bought our first flat, pre-Ikea, the options for furniture were either over-priced new stuff, or trawling round second-hand furniture shops hoping to find something that would do. Then there were pots and pans, plates and bowls, knives forks and spoons to buy, all on next to no money because we'd spent all our savings putting down a deposit, and were using much of our earnings to pay the mortgage and other bills. Habitat were the closest thing to Ikea, but their stuff wasn't cheap.

I loathe going to Ikea even without the current queues, but it would have been a Godsend to us back then.

Marco
03-06-2020, 21:40
Yeah, I totally agree. I've got nothing against Ikea. I was simply making a point. We wouldn't dream of using them either at the moment, for obvious reasons. but have in the past for lots of things, some of which you mention.

Marco.

Macca
04-06-2020, 05:49
Nope, that's why you're not getting it, and therefore missing my point. My main point was about subliminal advertising 'embedding' the brand name of a big company into the minds of their customers, or potential customers, making them WANT to buy that product without them realising it - and both McDonalds and Ikea do that very successfully!

That's my last attempt now to get you to understand before giving up!;)

Marco.

Subliminal advertising is not the same thing as 'normal' advertising.

Those Macdonald's ads you see on TV are not 'subliminal' advertising, they are just advertising.

Promotional messages the recipient is not aware of, such as those played at very low volume or flashed on a screen for less than a second. Its effectiveness is not supported by scientific evidence, and its use is considered a deceptive business practice in some jurisdictions.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/subliminal-advertising.html

Added to which if Mcdonalds advertising is so effective at brainwashing why doesn't it work on you? I'd guess because you've tried one and were not keen on it. Just like millions of other people who don't go to Mcdonalds despite being subject to the same advertising campaign. It's nothing to do with you being smart and McDonalds punters being stupid. The people who eat them regularly do so because they like them. That's because millions of dollars and thousands of hours have been spend perfecting the taste and the 'mouthfeel' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthfeel

Even then not everyone is going to like them because people are different. But you hypothesis that they are crap and people only eat them because they are stupid and brainwashed holds no water.

Although I grant you that queuing for hours just to get one is a pretty stupid thing to do, at least from my - and your - point of view. But then I wouldn't queue for hours to get anything.

Pigmy Pony
04-06-2020, 06:10
Subliminal advertising is not the same thing as 'normal' advertising.

Those Macdonald's ads you see on TV are not 'subliminal' advertising, they are just advertising.

Promotional messages the recipient is not aware of, such as those played at very low volume or flashed on a screen for less than a second. Its effectiveness is not supported by scientific evidence, and its use is considered a deceptive business practice in some jurisdictions.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/subliminal-advertising.html

Added to which if Mcdonalds advertising is so effective at brainwashing why doesn't it work on you? I'd guess because you've tried one and were not keen on it. Just like millions of other people who don't go to Mcdonalds despite being subject to the same advertising campaign. It's nothing to do with you being smart and McDonalds punters being stupid. The people who eat them regularly do so because they like them. That's because millions of dollars and thousands of hours have been spend perfecting the taste and the 'mouthfeel' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthfeel

Even then not everyone is going to like them because people are different. But you hypothesis that they are crap and people only eat them because they are stupid and brainwashed holds no water.

Although I grant you that queuing for hours just to get one is a pretty stupid thing to do, at least from my - and your - point of view. But then I wouldn't queue for hours to get anything.

As usual you put it so much better than I can. And that has always been my understanding of 'subliminal advertising'. I suspect Andrex may have been doing this in last night's episode of Emmerdale, as halfway through I needed to go for a dump. This happens quite a lot.

Macca
04-06-2020, 06:17
Why are you watching 'Emmerdale' in the first place?

Actually I've never seen it so maybe it is brilliant. I did see an episode of 'Emmerdale Farm' once when I was ill and too sick to get off the settee and change the channel. It was terrible.

Some good telly news though, 'Magnum PI' has been granted a third season.

Pigmy Pony
04-06-2020, 06:47
No, it really isn't brilliant, though I suppose it's the best of a bad bunch. In my defence we only have one living room, and the internet was temporarily down. Apparently the Cadent guys put a-dent in a cable while trying to fix a gas leak :(

Good news with the "Magnum-pie" though. That's my Sunday night escapism nonsense, and I've not missed an episode. Likeable characters, nice scenery, nice gaff (Robin's Nest), nice cars - I could live there :)

Macca
04-06-2020, 07:10
Good news with the "Magnum-pie" though. That's my Sunday night escapism nonsense, and I've not missed an episode. Likeable characters, nice scenery, nice gaff (Robin's Nest), nice cars - I could live there :)

Agree, not enough escapist nonsense on telly theses days, everything takes itself so seriously now.

Joe
04-06-2020, 08:42
Added to which if Mcdonalds advertising is so effective at brainwashing why doesn't it work on you? I'd guess because you've tried one and were not keen on it. Just like millions of other people who don't go to Mcdonalds despite being subject to the same advertising campaign. It's nothing to do with you being smart and McDonalds punters being stupid. The people who eat them regularly do so because they like them. That's because millions of dollars and thousands of hours have been spend perfecting the taste and the 'mouthfeel' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthfeel

Plus, of course, advertising is only effective if people see the adverts. I never watch commercial TV or listen to commercial radio, so much advertising passes me by. The advertising I usually see is on the Internet, where it's just an annoying distraction that I click away from as soon as possible.

Joe
04-06-2020, 08:46
Why are you watching 'Emmerdale' in the first place?

Actually I've never seen it so maybe it is brilliant. I did see an episode of 'Emmerdale Farm' once when I was ill and too sick to get off the settee and change the channel. It was terrible.


My parents used to watch Emmerdale Farm, along with Corrie and Brookside. I don't remember much about either, and my idea of Corrie is mainly derived from Victoria Wood's spoof:


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2zr1c0

Marco
04-06-2020, 08:52
Subliminal advertising is not the same thing as 'normal' advertising.

Those Macdonald's ads you see on TV are not 'subliminal' advertising, they are just advertising.

Promotional messages the recipient is not aware of, such as those played at very low volume or flashed on a screen for less than a second. Its effectiveness is not supported by scientific evidence, and its use is considered a deceptive business practice in some jurisdictions.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/subliminal-advertising.html

Added to which if Mcdonalds advertising is so effective at brainwashing why doesn't it work on you? I'd guess because you've tried one and were not keen on it. Just like millions of other people who don't go to Mcdonalds despite being subject to the same advertising campaign. It's nothing to do with you being smart and McDonalds punters being stupid. The people who eat them regularly do so because they like them. That's because millions of dollars and thousands of hours have been spend perfecting the taste and the 'mouthfeel' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthfeel

Even then not everyone is going to like them because people are different. But you hypothesis that they are crap and people only eat them because they are stupid and brainwashed holds no water.

Although I grant you that queuing for hours just to get one is a pretty stupid thing to do, at least from my - and your - point of view. But then I wouldn't queue for hours to get anything.

Yes, do you think I don't know that? But you're still not getting it! :brickwall::brickwall:

Some people are more susceptible to the effects of subliminal advertising than others. I have an inherent dislike of ANY junk/fast food (not only because of how it tastes, but what it represents), so unlike others, I'm not predisposed to eating it, which is significant. Plus I'm not easily led or controlled (one reason why in 2020 I still don't own a smartphone). And no, the bit in bold black above is not what I'm saying either!:doh:

The example I provided earlier about you and HP sauce nails it, so *try and digest* THAT. I wasn't saying that HP sauce was "crap", was I?? THINK about it.

Anyway, I'm pulling out of this discussion now. As I suspected, it's going nowhere because, as per usual, you only see what you want to see and deliberately ignore the rest.

Marco.

Marco
04-06-2020, 09:01
As usual you put it so much better than I can. And that has always been my understanding of 'subliminal advertising'.

Mine too, but that's not the issue here!:rolleyes:

Marco.

Joe
04-06-2020, 09:07
Yes, do you think I don't know that? But you're still not getting it! :brickwall::brickwall:

Some people are more susceptible to the effects of subliminal advertising than others

Part of the problem is that you keep using that word 'subliminal'. It has a specific meaning in relation to advertising, and it doesn't refer to mass advertising. The phrase 'subliminal advertising', as defined by the Oxford English Dictionary, is:

'Used in various collocations relating to exploitation of the idea that people can be unconsciously influenced or taught by messages or other stimuli projected just below the threshold of awareness, as subliminal advertising, subliminal message, subliminal teaching, etc.

The idea of influencing people in this way became the subject of public controversy in 1957 following the announcement by the market researcher James Vicary (1915–77) that the insertion of advertising messages lasting a fraction of a second into a film shown at a cinema in Fort Lee, New Jersey, had been found to increase sales of the products advertised; however, it was later disclosed that no such experiment had been carried out, and the effectiveness of such methods in influencing behaviour remains a matter of debate.'

I don't suppose anyone is completely immune to advertising per se, but I don't believe that McDonalds use subliminal advertising.

walpurgis
04-06-2020, 09:17
My parents used to watch Emmerdale Farm, along with Corrie and Brookside.

Coronation Street. Is that dreadful rubbish still going? I remember when it started.

Does anybody remember 'The Appleyards' soap, which predated it?

Joe
04-06-2020, 09:20
Coronation Street. Is that dreadful rubbish still going? I remember when it started.

Does anybody remember 'The Appleyards' soap, which predated it?

No, but I remember the Applejacks!

walpurgis
04-06-2020, 09:23
No, but I remember the Applejacks!

About ten years later.

Joe
04-06-2020, 09:26
About ten years later.

Ah, that would be before we had a TV. We got one around 1963, having pestered our parents because we wanted to watch Dr Who.

walpurgis
04-06-2020, 09:28
I watched The Coronation on TV.

Joe
04-06-2020, 09:33
I wasn't even a worried look on my father's face back then.

walpurgis
04-06-2020, 09:38
I wasn't even a worried look on my father's face back then.

I was nearly five and remember it clearly. I also remember all the neighbours crowding into our living room to see it, as we had the only telly in the street as far as I recall. The old man bought it for the occasion and it actually didn't pack up, which it did regularly afterwards.

Marco
04-06-2020, 09:57
Part of the problem is that you keep using that word 'subliminal'. It has a specific meaning in relation to advertising, and it doesn't refer to mass advertising. The phrase 'subliminal advertising', as defined by the Oxford English Dictionary, is:

'Used in various collocations relating to exploitation of the idea that people can be unconsciously influenced or taught by messages or other stimuli projected just below the threshold of awareness, as subliminal advertising, subliminal message, subliminal teaching, etc.

The idea of influencing people in this way became the subject of public controversy in 1957 following the announcement by the market researcher James Vicary (1915–77) that the insertion of advertising messages lasting a fraction of a second into a film shown at a cinema in Fort Lee, New Jersey, had been found to increase sales of the products advertised; however, it was later disclosed that no such experiment had been carried out, and the effectiveness of such methods in influencing behaviour remains a matter of debate.'

I don't suppose anyone is completely immune to advertising per se, but I don't believe that McDonalds use subliminal advertising.

Exactly... I also agree with the first part of your last sentence. No I'm not *immune* to it, but I believe I'm much less susceptible to it than some, confirmed in part by the lifestyle choices I deliberately make, or indeed vehemently shun...

I disagree though that McDonalds don't use subliminal advertising. It comes in many different forms, as subtly as having the presence of their logo in an unexpected public place, or on TV, out with of one of their adverts. Stuff like that happens all the time. The point is though, if it's done right, you'll be unaware of it!;)

It lays dormant in your subconscious, and at some point later may inadvertently influence your buying decisions... Now, that's definitely my last comment on the subject!

Marco,

struth
04-06-2020, 10:41
used to call the sumliminal cuts.... i dont watch ads so im pretty immune ...but if i watch one, im off to mcdonalds straight away:eyebrows:

struth
04-06-2020, 10:41
I watched The Coronation on TV.

yeah, we are not that old. :ner:

Macca
04-06-2020, 11:11
Yes, do you think I don't know that? But you're still not getting it! :brickwall::brickwall:

Some people are more susceptible to the effects of subliminal advertising than others.
.

It's not subliminal advertising! You tell I me that I don't understand marketing or advertising and yet you don't know enough about the subject to even make that distinction. And then you complain that I'm the one 'not getting it.' Seriously?

Joe
04-06-2020, 11:13
used to call the sumliminal cuts.... i dont watch ads so im pretty immune ...but if i watch one, im off to mcdonalds straight away:eyebrows:

I found this old article on the BBC website about an experiment with subliminal advertising:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30878843

which concluded that subliminal advertising's effect is minimal, at best, and very short-lived.

Marco
04-06-2020, 11:14
Yes, as patently you're not. So let's just leave it there and discuss the subject again in person, where there'll be less room for any confusion..

Marco.

struth
04-06-2020, 11:17
I found this old article on the BBC website about an experiment with subliminal advertising:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30878843

which concluded that subliminal advertising's effect is minimal, at best, and very short-lived.

they were not as successful at selling ice cream in cinemas as turning up the thermostat:eyebrows:

Marco
04-06-2020, 11:19
I found this old article on the BBC website about an experiment with subliminal advertising:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30878843

which concluded that subliminal advertising's effect is minimal, at best, and very short-lived.

Well, I guess that all depends on how often or how successfully it's been done, and over how long a period of time!

I always find the notion of remaining 'loyal' to a certain brand name or product fascinating (more common than you might think, and often occurring subconsciously), as in that respect, I'm largely a complete tart!;)

Marco.

Joe
04-06-2020, 16:25
Well, I guess that all depends on how often or how successfully it's been done, and over how long a period of time!

I always find the notion of remaining 'loyal' to a certain brand name or product fascinating (more common than you might think, and often occurring subconsciously), as in that respect, I'm largely a complete tart!;)

Marco.

As far as supermarket shopping goes, I tend to get mostly 'own brand' stuff, unless there's a good offer on, and for 'generic' stuff like kitchen foil, I get the most basic. We stocked up on Kenco coffee about six months ago (reduced from £6 to £4 at Sainsbury's), and we're still working our way through it!

Macca
04-06-2020, 16:31
I just buy stuff that I like. Does anyone do any differently?

I didn't realise there was a hierarchy of kitchen foil. How is basic kitchen foil different from a more expensive brand? I suppose you might get a longer roll.

struth
04-06-2020, 16:34
I just buy stuff that I like. Does anyone do any differently?

I didn't realise there was a hierarchy of kitchen foil. How is basic kitchen foil different from a more expensive brand? I suppose you might get a longer roll.

me too.. i often buy dearer stuff coz its usually better... lifes too short to get shite if you dont have to... like whisky, i could but cheap stuff or i can buy good stuff that costs 2 or 3 times more...

Macca
04-06-2020, 16:45
me too.. i often buy dearer stuff coz its usually better... lifes too short to get shite if you dont have to... like whisky, i could but cheap stuff or i can buy good stuff that costs 2 or 3 times more...

Yes I agree, don't see the point in penny-pinching for the sake of it. Had to do it when I was poor of course. I'll only buy the cheap stuff if I really can't tell the difference.

Marco
04-06-2020, 16:46
As far as supermarket shopping goes, I tend to get mostly 'own brand' stuff, unless there's a good offer on, and for 'generic' stuff like kitchen foil, I get the most basic. We stocked up on Kenco coffee about six months ago (reduced from £6 to £4 at Sainsbury's), and we're still working our way through it!

No worries. Well, in terms of makes of things, with us, it's pretty much an unknown quantity until we get there, and usually ends up being just what we fancy!

"Offers" rarely interest us [we're not tight-wads like you, lol;)], unless it's something we really like and use a lot of, which doesn't apply to much, as we get bored buying the same things... We like to experiment by trying new things and alternate what we buy. Creatures of habit we're not!:nono:

Marco.

Marco
04-06-2020, 16:50
I just buy stuff that I like. Does anyone do any differently?


You're somewhat a creature of habit though, no?;)

And if so, you'll be predisposed to largely buying the same things all the time, and so indirectly displaying a form of 'brand loyalty'.

Marco.

struth
04-06-2020, 17:00
arn't we all, to a point tho.. you probably shop in same places.. lidl, family butcher etc

Macca
04-06-2020, 17:03
You're a bit of a creature of habit though, are you not?;)

And if so, you'll be predisposed to largely buying the same things all the time, and so indirectly displaying a form of 'brand loyalty', no?

Marco.

if there's nothing else to go on or I can't be arsed to research it then I'll buy a brand that I generally rate. For example I had Sony cellphones for a long time as I've no real interest in cellphones but I reckon Sony are a reliable brand and that's my only concern with a phone. So that is a sort of brand loyalty but also based on some personal experience. I bought a Sony A/V amp for the same reason. And a Sony telly.

Although my latest telly is an LG and I just got a Samsung phone, with the telly that was based on what was going cheap as a bin-end though. With the phone it was because it was only an extra £2 a month on the contract instead of an extra £15 or something for an iPhone thing.

Otherwise if I had to name a brand I am 'loyal' to in any serious way I don't think I could.

Marco
04-06-2020, 17:36
arn't we all, to a point tho.. you probably shop in same places.. lidl, family butcher etc

Yes, but that's not brands. That's what I'm referring to, in terms of being a 'creature of habit'. In terms of brand-named goods, or even non-branded ones (i.e supermarket own), we rarely buy the same things twice, and if we do, it's probably pure coincidence!

Anyway, just had a ruby delivered, so gonna scoff that now:D

Marco.

struth
04-06-2020, 18:08
Same thing in long run. Brand loyalty, shop loyalty etc. I buy good stuff if I can afford it. It it stops being good stuff then I stop buying it.. Same with shops

Marco
04-06-2020, 18:21
Same thing in long run. Brand loyalty, shop loyalty etc.

Not really, as my point was mainly about brand loyalty, which is something that's generally more of a deliberate choice. Most folk, including us, tend to shop most often at the supermarket nearest to where they live, not through any sense of 'loyalty' to a specific one.

The reason we're using Lidl now more than ever (as opposed to Asda, which is nearer) is because of the queues caused by social distancing at all the 'majors' [Asda, Tesco, Sainsbury's, etc], which are virtually absent in Lidl or Aldi. If we see a huge queue outside of *any* of them, then we bolt and come back later when it's quieter.

Yes, we like the produce and products sold in the two German stores, for reasons you know well, but we don't shop there through any sense of 'loyalty', or out of habit either. In normal times, we like to vary where we buy our food, so we have access to a much wider choice of goods, including trips to local farm shops.

In that respect, we normally pop to the Waitrose in Chester at least once a month, but that's over 10 miles away, so currently a no-no, and also used to go to M&S in Wrexham at least once a week, including regular trips to Asda and Sainsbury's [occasionally Morrisons], but haven't bothered as with the current situation, in terms of supermarkets, we're restricting ourselves to a 'one-stop shop'.

Honestly, mate, our shopping habits are based almost entirely on our mood, on the spur of the moment:cool:

No creatures of habit here!

Marco.

struth
04-06-2020, 18:36
Dont have a waitrose here. Have the rest tho. I'm inclined to shop where I fancy. Well, before the shit..
Been getting frozen stuff mostly, and will keep a lot of it going when it changes.
The Italian stuff, I will likely use again too.
M and S I like, the sainsbury's I guess, but no loyalty personally.
They do stuff I like tho so use them while they do

Marco
04-06-2020, 18:44
Fairy muff:)

Marco.

Beobloke
04-06-2020, 19:49
I’m glad to say after reading recent pages of this thread that I know myself to be completely impervious to any subliminal messages.

Although I really fancy a Maccy D’s right now and have no idea why...

Marco
04-06-2020, 19:53
:lolsign:

See, SEE - told ya!! :D

Marco.

Pigmy Pony
04-06-2020, 19:53
Exactly... I also agree with the first part of your last sentence. No I'm not *immune* to it, but I believe I'm much less susceptible to it than some, confirmed in part by the lifestyle choices I deliberately make, or indeed vehemently shun...

I disagree though that McDonalds don't use subliminal advertising. It comes in many different forms, as subtly as having the presence of their logo in an unexpected public place, or on TV, out with of one of their adverts. Stuff like that happens all the time. The point is though, if it's done right, you'll be unaware of it!;)

It lays dormant in your subconscious, and at some point later may inadvertently influence your buying decisions... Now, that's definitely my last comment on the subject!

Marco,

It's a pity you've made your last comment on this subject my friend, but then this is my last word on it too.

Your posts have been uncharacteristically wordy, and I know you're frustrated about your point being missed, but I have to say that finding that point is not unlike studying a 'Where's Wally?' puzzle book :ner:

The part I've highlighted in bold: that's not subliminal advertising, it's called 'product placement'. It is increasingly being used in films and TV, ranging from McCann frozen foods in Emmerdale, to Audi cars in The Dark Night or Iron Man, I can't remember which. This is the advertisers' best chance as the traditional ad breaks are rarely seen these days, thanks to the ability for viewers to quickly skip past them.

Talking about product placement, I recently did a poo in the shape of a big letter 'M', but it still didn't persuade me to visit McDonalds :nono:

Pigmy Pony
04-06-2020, 20:20
I don't subscribe to any brand loyalty or shop loyalty - I really don't care where I buy my HP sauce. And believe me when I tell you, that if HP started being shit I definitely would be looking elsewhere.

I don't buy HP out of habit, but because other brands (I've tried one or two) have been disappointing, and anyway my motto is if it ain't broke...

Marco
04-06-2020, 20:23
The part I've highlighted in bold: that's not subliminal advertising, it's called 'product placement'.

Yes, but that's just the latest 'buzz word'! So ask yourself, what potential effect could such "product placement" have on those who've seen it?

It subconsciously 'plants a seed' in their minds, with the purpose of predisposing them to buying said product at a later date... *Exactly* the same potential effect as subliminal advertising!!:ner:

Same end result, just different words.

Now THAT *IS* defo my last post on the subject!

Marco.

P.S I named my 11 o'clock poo this morning after you.

Pigmy Pony
04-06-2020, 20:40
Yes, but that's just the latest 'buzz word! So ask yourself, what potential effect could such "product placement" have on those who've witnessed it?

It subconsciously 'plants a seed' in their minds, with the purpose of predisposing them later to buying said product... *Exactly* the same potential effect as subliminal advertising!!:ner:

Same end result, just different words.

Now THAT *IS* defo my last post on the subject!

Marco.

P.S I named my 11 o'clock poo this morning after you.

What, you called your poo 'Awesome Ste'? I'm flattered :) Apparently lots of people think of me to 'get things started'

Joe
05-06-2020, 06:10
I just buy stuff that I like. Does anyone do any differently?

I didn't realise there was a hierarchy of kitchen foil. How is basic kitchen foil different from a more expensive brand? I suppose you might get a longer roll.

Bacofoil is the brand name people recognise, but foil is foil, unless you're wrapping a huge turkey and need extra-wide foil. There's stuff where the basic version is shite (eg beer and gin), but Sainsbury's breakfast cereal is just as good as Kellogg's, to my taste.

Marco
05-06-2020, 08:25
Apparently lots of people think of me to 'get things started'

Yeah man, I can see that - like a dose of the runs:eyebrows:

Marco.

Marco
05-06-2020, 08:40
Bacofoil is the brand name people recognise, but foil is foil, unless you're wrapping a huge turkey and need extra-wide foil.

Not really... Whilst I agree with your point in general [and you're right about turkey] and certainly don't believe in paying more just for a 'fancy name' (for ANYTHING), foil thickness can vary depending on who makes it, and sometimes how much it costs.

Admittedly, there's generally not much difference, in that respect, (if any) between 'Bacofoil' and the likes of Sainsbury's own. However, certain 'specialist' brands, such as this stuff from Lakeland, is genuinely thicker and stronger [and obviously that's better as it'll rip less easily], but you'll pay for it: https://i.ytimg.com/an_webp/ZZmWfvLGjVw/mqdefault_6s.webp?du=3000&sqp=CODR5fYF&rs=AOn4CLA7ha8QH9N50r_NiAUr6XCclJDX2A

Btw, just so there's no confusion, I had to ask Del to answer that one, in case you thought that I was some sad bastard authority on tinfoil!:eek::D

Marco.

Joe
05-06-2020, 08:45
Btw, just so there's no confusion, I had to ask Del to answer that one, in case you thought that I was some sad bastard authority on tinfoil!:eek::D

Marco.

I'd have thought you'd insist on the best tinfoil for your hats!

Marco
05-06-2020, 08:51
Ha - I was waiting on that one!

Marco.

Macca
05-06-2020, 20:14
Just bought me a 'new' landline telephone:

https://i.imgur.com/ZatWGZM.jpg

Joe
05-06-2020, 20:39
Just bought me a 'new' landline telephone:

https://i.imgur.com/ZatWGZM.jpg

Unfortunately that design of phone is the exact same as the one I used at work back in the late 70s/early 80s, and is thus slightly depressing.

Ian7633
05-06-2020, 20:46
Just bought me a 'new' landline telephone:

https://i.imgur.com/ZatWGZM.jpg

I rather like the old telephones. I bought an original 70s Trimphone a couple of years ago, looked great but I soon got fed up with the rotary dial. Also problems arose when phoning anywhere with a menu system, no buttons to choose an option.

southall-1998_mk2
05-06-2020, 21:21
Just bought me a 'new' landline telephone:

https://i.imgur.com/ZatWGZM.jpg


Looks nice. What make/model is it?

S.

Barry
05-06-2020, 22:58
I like the styling of those old phones - but I also like to have caller ID and the ability to store numbers which I can 'dial' with a few key strokes.

Also. as Ian has said, there is no provision for dealing with menu systems. Could they not have included both a * and # key?

Macca
06-06-2020, 05:31
I rather like the old telephones. I bought an original 70s Trimphone a couple of years ago, looked great but I soon got fed up with the rotary dial. Also problems arose when phoning anywhere with a menu system, no buttons to choose an option.

I was tempted by one of the old bakelite efforts but decided I couldn't face the rigours of the rotary dial.

Macca
06-06-2020, 05:32
Looks nice. What make/model is it?

S.

I don't know, just billed as late 70d/early 80s GPO. Might be a model number on it, I'll have a look when it arrives.

Macca
06-06-2020, 05:44
I like the styling of those old phones - but I also like to have caller ID and the ability to store numbers which I can 'dial' with a few key strokes.

Also. as Ian has said, there is no provision for dealing with menu systems. Could they not have included both a * and # key?

I very rarely use my landline so not really an issue and I avoid calling places with a menu system like the plague. Obviously it predates the horror that was the introduction of menu systems.

It's just for emergencies in case the network is down or my mobile packs in or something. The phone it is replacing is only a couple of years younger than this one (A Southwestern Bell Telecom FA300) but the membrane below its rubber keypad has almost perished. You can still dial but you have to press the buttons really hard, ideally with a biro or something, and that was getting a little tedious.

I always have it switched off to incoming calls anyway as the only calls I get are from people trying to sell me some crap. But I did want something that looks a bit anachronistic.

Was tempted by some of the fancy 1990s Scandinavian jobs like B&O but your talking about paying £150 or more and I decided that was a bit silly. Anyway, just a bit of fun.

Audio Al
06-06-2020, 06:03
Just arrived home from Work :)

Marco
06-06-2020, 08:18
Morning, daftee... Just out my bed!:D

How was work?

Marco.

Marco
06-06-2020, 08:52
Lovin' ya retro phone, Macca! It looks a bit complicated to use, though....


It's just for emergencies in case the network is down or my mobile packs in or something. The phone it is replacing is only a couple of years younger than this one (A Southwestern Bell Telecom FA300) but the membrane below its rubber keypad has almost perished. You can still dial but you have to press the buttons really hard, ideally with a biro or something, and that was getting a little tedious.


Quite right. That's why I'd never give up our landline. Aside from anything else about networks, it's so easy to forget to charge a mobile phone, and if you're using it all the time (especially performing tasks that drain the battery), it's difficult to maintain a constant high level of charge, unless you're very vigilant. Plus also easy to misplace the charger. And you may only have the one mobile phone.

Therefore, unless you're careful, it wouldn't be difficult for one day, especially if you live on your own, to need the phone for a GENUINE (possibly life-threatening) emergency, and discover that the battery is nearly flat and you can't find the charger! Don't dismiss such a scenario, as it could easily happen...

So no, for that reason, and also the fact that you often lose signal with mobile phones when you're talking to someone at home, and have to wander around to escape black spots, plus voices sound so thin and tinny that everyone sounds like robots [landline handsets are generally much clearer], we'll always have a landline.

The biro thing is really funny, and typically *you*! :D Me? I'd have replaced it as soon as it was faulty!

Marco.

Macca
06-06-2020, 09:33
Lovin' ya retro phone, Macca! It looks a bit complicated to use, though....



Quite right. That's why I'd never give up our landline. Aside from anything else about networks, it's so easy to forget to charge a mobile phone, and if you're using it all the time (especially performing tasks that drain the battery), difficult to maintain a constant high level of charge, unless you're very vigilant. Plus also easy to misplace the charger. Plus you may only have the one phone.

Therefore, unless you're careful, it wouldn't be difficult for one day, especially if you live on your own, to need the phone for a GENUINE (possibly life-threatening) emergency, and discover that the battery is nearly flat and you can't find the charger! Don't dismiss such a scenario, as it could easily happen...

So no, for that reason, and also the fact that you often lose signal with mobile phones when you're talking to someone at home, and have to wander around to escape black spots, plus voices sound so thin and tinny that everyone sounds like robots [landline handsets are generally much clearer], we'll always have a landline.

The biro thing is really funny, and typically *you*! :D Me? I'd have replaced it as soon as it was faulty!

Marco.

Actually the recent cellphones are astonishingly good in terms of the sound quality - in 'phone terms anyway. I was very surprised at the clarity when I got a 'modern' cell after almost ten years with the same one.

I did replace the landline 'phone before when it started to become difficult to dial on it. I think I spent ten quid on a second-hand one off of ebay. It packed up about a month after I got it so I put the old one back in and sat a biro next to it and the problem got shoved down my list of priorities by other things.

I did have a look at some new ones in Maplins a few months later but they were both expensive and looked crappy so I shelved the idea. I might use the thing maybe twice a year so it was hardly a pressing issue.

I've never had a problem with losing the signal or having to wander about to get a connection on a mobile in a long time. I think about 1996 or '97 was the last time I had that issue and that was when they were still rolling out the network.

Roy S
06-06-2020, 10:17
Quite right. That's why I'd never give up our landline. Aside from anything else about networks, it's so easy to forget to charge a mobile phone, and if you're using it all the time (especially performing tasks that drain the battery), difficult to maintain a constant high level of charge, unless you're very vigilant. Plus also easy to misplace the charger. Plus you may only have the one phone.

Therefore, unless you're careful, it wouldn't be difficult for one day, especially if you live on your own, to need the phone for a GENUINE (possibly life-threatening) emergency, and discover that the battery is nearly flat and you can't find the charger! Don't dismiss such a scenario, as it could easily happen...


I'd never lose this phone charger :D

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49976473681_0e34a0ded7.jpg

Audio Al
06-06-2020, 10:42
Morning, daftee... Just out my bed!:D

How was work?

Marco.

Dartford to Sevenoaks
Sevenoaks to Dartford
Dartford to Sevenoaks agin ( Half load ) then onto Maidstone , Then back to Darfford , All in 8 hours , Then told to go home so a early finish

Helping to feed the nation :ner:

Marco
06-06-2020, 14:17
Good stuff... The only time I'm near Dartford is when on the way down to Dover in the car on holiday, and doing the crossing!

Marco.

Marco
06-06-2020, 14:18
I'd never lose this phone charger :D

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49976473681_0e34a0ded7.jpg

I don't get it... Are you saying that your sofa doubles as a phone charger?:scratch:

Marco.

Audio Al
06-06-2020, 14:25
I don't get it... Are you saying that your sofa doubles as a phone charger?:scratch:

Marco.

It will have a USB port built in

Marco
06-06-2020, 14:29
Actually the recent cellphones are astonishingly good in terms of the sound quality - in 'phone terms anyway.


Fair enough, but not in my experience. Del's brand new Huawei has a superb camera on it, but voices sound considerably tinnier than on the landline handset, when I use the speakerphone. Stands to reason really, as (just with hi-fi) you can't beat the laws of physics. Both the size of the speaker and the enclosure on the landline handset is much bigger.

There's no comparison in the sound quality really.


I did replace the landline 'phone before when it started to become difficult to dial on it. I think I spent ten quid on a second-hand one off of ebay. It packed up about a month after I got it so I put the old one back in and sat a biro next to it and the problem got shoved down my list of priorities by other things.

I did have a look at some new ones in Maplins a few months later but they were both expensive and looked crappy so I shelved the idea. I might use the thing maybe twice a year so it was hardly a pressing issue.


Lol - no worries. It suits your gaff, though!:)


I've never had a problem with losing the signal or having to wander about to get a connection on a mobile in a long time. I think about 1996 or '97 was the last time I had that issue and that was when they were still rolling out the network.

Different here then, and I'm not exactly in an area where there's poor coverage. On the rare occasions I use my mobile in the house, quite often when I'm holding it listening to someone, I've got to change ears, move my head or position in the chair, or get up altogether and walk around, to stop them cutting out. Does my nut in!

Marco.

Roy S
06-06-2020, 14:30
I don't get it... Are you saying that your sofa doubles as a phone charger?:scratch:

Marco.

Yes, usb charging socket both ends where the powered recliner controls are [emoji41]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/6454eaf3178c4cfdbd846bc336a97ad4.jpg

Pigmy Pony
06-06-2020, 14:33
Lovin' ya retro phone, Macca! It looks a bit complicated to use, though....



Quite right. That's why I'd never give up our landline. Aside from anything else about networks, it's so easy to forget to charge a mobile phone, and if you're using it all the time (especially performing tasks that drain the battery), it's difficult to maintain a constant high level of charge, unless you're very vigilant. Plus also easy to misplace the charger. And you may only have the one mobile phone.

Therefore, unless you're careful, it wouldn't be difficult for one day, especially if you live on your own, to need the phone for a GENUINE (possibly life-threatening) emergency, and discover that the battery is nearly flat and you can't find the charger! Don't dismiss such a scenario, as it could easily happen...

So no, for that reason, and also the fact that you often lose signal with mobile phones when you're talking to someone at home, and have to wander around to escape black spots, plus voices sound so thin and tinny that everyone sounds like robots [landline handsets are generally much clearer], we'll always have a landline.

The biro thing is really funny, and typically *you*! :D Me? I'd have replaced it as soon as it was faulty!

Marco.

My mobile never goes flat - it goes on charge on my bedside table every night, even though a day's use only depletes about 20% of the battery.

And I also don't have any problems with loss of signal - perhaps it's different down your way, at least while "tending" your flock :eyebrows: all that wooliness absorbing the signal. You'll just have to settle for talking to your mates on that other forum, instead of trying to send them videos of what you're up to :eyebrows::eyebrows:

Pigmy Pony
06-06-2020, 14:40
quite often when I'm holding it listening to someone
Marco.

:eek: If I ever phone you, I trust you won't be holding it while listening to me

Marco
06-06-2020, 14:40
Yes, last time I hacked into your computer I noticed that forum on your favourites list, and checked out your history. I didn't realise you were into bellybuttons in quite *that* way.

Marco.

Marco
06-06-2020, 14:40
:eek: If I ever phone you, I trust you won't be holding it while listening to me

Only if you're talk dirty.

Marco.

Marco
06-06-2020, 14:42
Yes, usb charging socket both ends where the powered recliner controls are [emoji41]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/6454eaf3178c4cfdbd846bc336a97ad4.jpg

Haha... Madness! Not really quite sure what to say about that:D

I wonder if Laura Ashley do one?

Marco.

Pigmy Pony
06-06-2020, 14:45
Yes, last time I hacked into your computer I noticed that forum on your favourites list, and checked out your history. I didn't realise you were into bellybuttons in quite *that* way.

Marco.

That's the big advantage of being "modestly endowed" - the world is your oyster when it comes to orifices :)

Marco
06-06-2020, 14:45
It will have a USB port built in

Yes, so I've discovered. Different world!:D

Marco.

Joe
06-06-2020, 14:46
Haha... Madness! Not really quite sure what to say about that:D

I wonder if Laura Ashley do one?

Marco.

Probably not for much longer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52007345

'Furniture and fashion chain Laura Ashley has collapsed into administration as the coronavirus outbreak continues to put pressure on retailers.

The firm is to close almost half of its 147 UK stores, putting as many as 721 jobs at risk.'

Pigmy Pony
06-06-2020, 14:48
Haha... Madness! Not really quite sure what to say about that:D

I wonder if Laura Ashley do one?

Marco.

I believe they do USB curtains - floral print to gingham at the flick of a switch

Roy S
06-06-2020, 14:50
Haha... Madness! Not really quite sure what to say about that:D



Actually very handily placed, you can keep the phone on the arm of the sofa near you when it's charging.

Pigmy Pony
06-06-2020, 14:52
Only if you're talk dirty.

Marco.

Dog shit, mud sharks, cat sick, fatbergs, matted hair in the plug hole. If it gets too much just remember the safe word...

Joe
06-06-2020, 14:52
Actually very handily placed, you can keep the phone on the arm of the sofa near you when it's charging.

It's a good idea to keep the phone charger in one place; we've got a kitchen drawer full of chargers that have become separated from their phones. The phones themselves all seem to have disappeared.

Macca
06-06-2020, 15:12
What network are you on Marco?

Joe
06-06-2020, 15:13
The Laura Ashley lace curtains network.

Macca
06-06-2020, 15:17
I remember a sketch from years ago where the bloke is looking round the house for his wife but he can't find her because the whole house is done out in Laura Ashley and she's wearing all Laura Ashley too, camouflaging her.

Marco
06-06-2020, 15:18
What network are you on Marco?

T-Mobile.

Marco.

Marco
06-06-2020, 15:20
Probably not for much longer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52007345

'Furniture and fashion chain Laura Ashley has collapsed into administration as the coronavirus outbreak continues to put pressure on retailers.

The firm is to close almost half of its 147 UK stores, putting as many as 721 jobs at risk.'

Oh well, sad news, especially for those potentially out of work. The furniture we've bought of theirs will outlast us, though.

Marco.

Macca
06-06-2020, 15:22
T-Mobile.

Marco.

Ah reminds of me of classic from a colleague of mine back when I was selling the damn things. Customer asked him what the problem with T-Mobile was and he said 'The problem with T-Mobile mate, is that you're on T-Mobile.'

Time to swap to a proper network.

Marco
06-06-2020, 15:26
I remember a sketch from years ago where the bloke is looking round the house for his wife but he can't find her because the whole house is done out in Laura Ashley and she's wearing all Laura Ashley too, camouflaging her.

Lol - I'd like to have seen that! The point is, if you live in an old cottage/lodge, and like the 'country look', as we do. LA works.

Plus, the furniture is high-quality and extremely well-built, which is primarily what attracted us to it. Unlike many, we don't change our furniture on the whims of fashion, so wouldn't touch SCS, and such like, with a bargepole. We like to buy ONCE, but buy WELL.

Some folks, particularly women, love buying cheap shite for the house so they can replace it with the latest 'new trend' 6 months later! And they buy their clothes that way, too!:doh:

Totally not my mindset, or Del's.

Marco.

Marco
06-06-2020, 15:27
Ah reminds of me of classic from a colleague of mine back when I was selling the damn things. Customer asked him what the problem with T-Mobile was and he said 'The problem with T-Mobile mate, is that you're on T-Mobile.'

Time to swap to a proper network.

Lol - aren't they ex-Orange? Thought they were ok. Anyway, I don't use my mobile phone enough to warrant changing anything. I think the last time it was switched on was about two weeks ago.

Marco.

struth
06-06-2020, 15:30
Lol - aren't they ex-Orange? Thought they were ok. Anyway, I don't use my phone enough to warrant changing anything. I think the last time it was switched on was two weeks ago.

Marco.

Deutsche Telecom i think

Macca
06-06-2020, 15:47
I can't remember who T-Mobile originated from now, might have been Orange. Too long ago. But Orange always had the same problem too, they broadcast on twice the wavelength of Vodafone and Cellnet so the signal did not travel well through walls. You could always spot the people who were on Orange because they'd have to run outside the pub to take a call.

Might all be different now with your 4G and 5G, assuming you've a compatible handset, I don't know. I quit the industry in 2004 and have paid zero attention to it since then.

Joe
06-06-2020, 15:50
Might all be different now with your 4G and 5G, assuming you've a compatible handset, I don't know.

With 5G though you have to have the mandatory Bill Gates microchip injected into your arm to enable you to receive the signals.

Marco
06-06-2020, 15:55
...and the subsequent look of a psychopath.

Marco.

Joe
06-06-2020, 15:57
...and the subsequent look of a psychopath.

Marco.

I looked like that already.

Macca
07-06-2020, 07:29
With 5G though you have to have the mandatory Bill Gates microchip injected into your arm to enable you to receive the signals.

I've always thought it a great shame that he decided to set up a charitable organisation with his billions instead of becoming a master criminal and spending the cash on a hollowed-out volcano lair with a monorail, a fleet of mini-mokes and an army of fanatically loyal troops wearing brightly coloured overalls and construction helmets. What an opportunity wasted!

It's certainly what I would have done. The microchip plan to control the world would have been my first project. Of course it would have been foiled in the end by a plucky and resourceful MI6 agent who I have singularly failed to kill despite having the opportunity to do so on multiple occasions, preferring instead to monologue about my genius.

But that's all part of the fun and naturally I would escape at the last minute (with my cat) and return with an even more fiendish plan (6G?) a couple of years later.

walpurgis
07-06-2020, 07:45
Bet he has a decent Hi-Fi though. :)

Joe
07-06-2020, 08:17
Bet he has a decent Hi-Fi though. :)

Made by the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY, no doubt.

Pigmy Pony
07-06-2020, 08:28
I've always thought it a great shame that he decided to set up a charitable organisation with his billions instead of becoming a master criminal and spending the cash on a hollowed-out volcano lair with a monorail, a fleet of mini-mokes and an army of fanatically loyal troops wearing brightly coloured overalls and construction helmets. What an opportunity wasted!

It's certainly what I would have done. The microchip plan to control the world would have been my first project. Of course it would have been foiled in the end by a plucky and resourceful MI6 agent who I have singularly failed to kill despite having the opportunity to do so on multiple occasions, preferring instead to monologue about my genius.

But that's all part of the fun and naturally I would escape at the last minute (with my cat) and return with an even more fiendish plan (6G?) a couple of years later.

Make sure you get a deaf cat, or it'll bugger off after the first explosion.

Macca
07-06-2020, 08:37
Make sure you get a deaf cat, or it'll bugger off after the first explosion.

Deaf or extremely sanguine. I've noted that Donald Pleasance has great difficulty in holding onto his cat in 'You Only Live Twice' and that's when he and Bond are just having a quiet conversation in the volcano lair's control room.

Macca
07-06-2020, 08:43
Actually thinking about it he doesn't get away with his cat in that one. The cat is forgotten about when it all kicks off. Either it dies in the volcanic explosion that concludes the battle or it escapes by other means. Possibly there's a cat-flap installed somewhere.

Joe
07-06-2020, 12:07
Actually thinking about it he doesn't get away with his cat in that one. The cat is forgotten about when it all kicks off. Either it dies in the volcanic explosion that concludes the battle or it escapes by other means. Possibly there's a cat-flap installed somewhere.

Probably operated via a microchip. Our now deceased black cat could never work out how to use a cat flap. She'd sit there staring at it, then run round to the kitchen window and tap on it to attract our attention. The other cat used it all the time, with no bother.

struth
07-06-2020, 12:15
was never really into bond that much once i became 16:eyebrows: give me the simpsons any time:ner:

Macca
07-06-2020, 13:07
was never really into bond that much once i became 16:eyebrows: give me the simpsons any time:ner:

I like the Simpsons too. At least up until about 1998. It lost the plot after that.

And Bond stopped being quality after 'For Your Eyes Only'. 'Moonraker' is the last really good one. Up till then it was ridiculous but it was knowingly ridiculous. Like the old Batman TV series. Everything seems to take itself so seriously these days. Whatever happened to escapist nonsense? Proper entertainment? If I want a lesson in morality ( I don't) I'll go to church, and if I want to be educated I'll read a book. Films and telly are supposed to be fun.

Macca
07-06-2020, 13:12
Probably operated via a microchip. Our now deceased black cat could never work out how to use a cat flap. She'd sit there staring at it, then run round to the kitchen window and tap on it to attract our attention. The other cat used it all the time, with no bother.

Some years ago now there was a cat living in one of the houses opposite me that would climb up on the wheelie-bin and ring the doorbell to be let in.

Joe
07-06-2020, 14:38
Some years ago now there was a cat living in one of the houses opposite me that would climb up on the wheelie-bin and ring the doorbell to be let in.

The other day we saw a cat in the round round the corner from us, staring intently at the front door of the house where he/she/it lives, as if trying to attract its owner's attention through the sheer force of cat-thought.

Macca
07-06-2020, 14:54
Don't underestimate the power of cat thought. Our tom cat would knock on the window once. Thump! And then he would turn and stare at the door. You could shout to him, bang on the window, tell him to go around to the other side of the house where there was a perfectly good cat door, but he would not look round or react in any way. He'd just sit there staring at the door. Eventually one of us would walk all the way round and let him in.

Pigmy Pony
07-06-2020, 16:49
Actually thinking about it he doesn't get away with his cat in that one. The cat is forgotten about when it all kicks off. Either it dies in the volcanic explosion that concludes the battle or it escapes by other means. Possibly there's a cat-flap installed somewhere.

It would have been through the cat flap at the first sign of trouble. They really have no loyalty.

Macca
07-06-2020, 17:46
I like to think it got away.

Ninanina
11-06-2020, 18:42
was never really into bond that much once i became 16:eyebrows: give me the simpsons any time:ner:

I like the Simpsons but prefer Family Guy and especially Brian the doggy... as per avatar ;)

Ninanina
11-06-2020, 18:56
Did someone ask for pics... well how about some legs????

http://i.imgur.com/qz0WKRl.jpg (https://imgur.com/qz0WKRl)

Ninanina
11-06-2020, 19:54
Just one item of clothing.... just how I like it... wear as little as possible.... ;)

Marco
11-06-2020, 20:03
Did someone ask for pics... well how about some legs????

http://i.imgur.com/qz0WKRl.jpg (https://imgur.com/qz0WKRl)

Some? So who do they belong to then?:D

Marco.

Ninanina
11-06-2020, 20:04
Some? So who do they belong to then?:D

Marco.:lol::lol::lol:

they are all mine ....;)

Ninanina
11-06-2020, 20:19
Hope they are ok for ya.... :eyebrows:

Ninanina
11-06-2020, 20:33
Anyone into legs & feet?

walpurgis
11-06-2020, 20:46
Anyone into legs & feet?

Well I wouldn't be without mine, they make walking so much easier. :D

struth
11-06-2020, 20:47
A good pair of legs lass

Ninanina
11-06-2020, 20:51
A good pair of legs lass

Thanks Grant...

Ninanina
11-06-2020, 21:38
I'm waiting for other's pics...