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struth
03-12-2021, 20:05
Silicone tits are amazingly like chicken breasts especially when warm. It is funny when one falls out tho lol

Pigmy Pony
03-12-2021, 20:12
In spite of my declining ability to spell correctly, whenever I spot poor spelling when out and about it feels like an itch I can't scratch. There is a shop near me which specialises in batteries, mostly for automotive uses, who have a sign in the window declaring that they sell lithium iron batteries. They really should know better. I really should go in there and tell them, that sign's been there for some years now.

And don't get me started on unnecessary apostrophe's :(

walpurgis
03-12-2021, 20:14
There's a lot of 'intergrated' amps on ebay.

Barry
03-12-2021, 20:18
And why can't news readers correctly pronounce 'omicron'?

Pigmy Pony
03-12-2021, 20:21
There's a lot of 'intergrated' amps on ebay.

Thanks for the heads up Geoff, I definately need a new intergrated amp :)

Pigmy Pony
03-12-2021, 20:26
And why can't news readers correctly pronounce 'omicron'?

I suppose they never had to, until now. Mrs. Pony cannot pronounce 'polaroid' no matter how hard she tries. Always comes out poilaroid. She can say polar bear, and haemorrhoid, but can't put them together.

guy
04-12-2021, 13:05
Polar bear with haemorrhoids sounds nasty :)

Barry
04-12-2021, 18:05
Polar bear with haemorrhoids sounds nasty

There is an old wives' tale that says if you sit on a cold wall or step for a long period of time, you might develop haemorrhoids. Since polar bears sit around all day on ice, it is not surprising they could suffer the same. :rolleyes:

struth
04-12-2021, 18:09
There is an old wives' tale that says if you sit on a cold wall or step for a long period of time, you might develop haemorrhoids. Since polar bears sit around all day on ice, it is not surprising they could suffer the same. :rolleyes:

well sitting for long priods can cause piles; the temp or moisture level is irrellevant i think, but its mostly due to straining

Barry
04-12-2021, 19:29
So do desk-bound office workers suffer from piles?

Haemorrhoids are varicose veins in the rectum/anus, so are more likely to be caused by straining, either through heavy lifting, or as you say, by straining during a bowel motion.

Barry
04-12-2021, 20:53
Went out today to buy a bottle of milk - but ended up spending over £500 on a Christmas present pour elle!

Alex_UK
04-12-2021, 23:09
Went out today to buy a bottle of milk - but ended up spending over £500 on a Christmas present pour elle!

That escalated quickly! Did you buy her a whole cow? ;)


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Pigmy Pony
05-12-2021, 16:33
So do desk-bound office workers suffer from piles?



I would say no, not directly anyway. Though if sedentary work wasn't balanced with regular exercise, toilet habits could be affected. Infrequent dumps gives it time to 'compact' and makes it harder to shift.

I had them, or one, a few years ago, fortunately only for a couple of weeks, and that came from straining I'm sure. Not all it's 'cracked' up to be :(

struth
05-12-2021, 18:25
what chance do americans have?

Thomas Massie condemned by gun control activists and gun owners over social media for posing with assault rifles in holiday photo in wake of Oxford school massacre.

https://static.independent.co.uk/2021/12/04/20/newFile-4.jpg?width=990&auto=webp&quality=75&crop=982:726,smart

Republican congressman Thomas Massie has sparked outrage for posting a Christmas photo of his family posing with a trove of firearms, just days after four students were murdered in America’s deadliest school shooting since 2018.

guy
05-12-2021, 18:43
:doh:

Macca
05-12-2021, 18:50
How more American could that photo be?

The way they have the weapons distributed - Dad gets the biggest then down the line to the youngest daughter with the Uzi.

Firebottle
05-12-2021, 18:54
That's just obscene.

Macca
05-12-2021, 20:09
I just notice none of them have the magazines fitted.

guy
05-12-2021, 23:27
I think that is why they are asking Santa for ammo :santa:

Mikeandvan
06-12-2021, 00:07
I find it extraordinary that for a country with mass gun ownership, not only of pistols, but machine guns etc, that America isn't in a constant state of civil war.

Pigmy Pony
06-12-2021, 07:11
How more American could that photo be?

.

Perhaps if they all grew moustaches.

walpurgis
06-12-2021, 07:26
I just notice none of them have the magazines fitted.

That's because they are Republican moderates.

guy
06-12-2021, 08:47
What the f**k is it with some people - just been watching BBC news report about Rhys Porter, a young lad with cerebral palsy who received a load of abuse for posting a video of himself saving a goal.
https://www.fulhamfc.com/players/rhys-porter/

The abusers need a good seeing to in my opinion :steam:

Macca
06-12-2021, 08:48
I read up on the bloke, apparently he was a thorn in Trump's side so he can't be all bad.

struth
06-12-2021, 10:22
What the f**k is it with some people - just been watching BBC news report about Rhys Porter, a young lad with cerebral palsy who received a load of abuse for posting a video of himself saving a goal.
https://www.fulhamfc.com/players/rhys-porter/

The abusers need a good seeing to in my opinion :steam:

its just their ignorance. they dont know any better sadly; maybe never will as they'd much rather challenge a young lad who has challenged himself and won, to challenging themselves to be better humans.

i know, ...too many challenges :doh:

walpurgis
10-12-2021, 10:36
Julian Assange stitched up by UK courts. I guess we could all see that coming. There'll be appeals, but the Yanks will probably get him eventually.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59608641

struth
10-12-2021, 10:51
Julian Assange stitched up by UK courts. I guess we could all see that coming. There'll be appeals, but the Yanks will probably get him eventually.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59608641

Splitter!!

Macca
10-12-2021, 11:06
The yanks can have him. Wait until he's skateboarding down their corridors and failing to clean up after his cat. They'll be wanting to send him back.

guy
10-12-2021, 11:52
To save money, and reduce carbon emissions, couldn't we send Prince Andrew and Julian Assange over to the states on the same flight :D

Macca
10-12-2021, 12:31
Greta could take them on her boat.

guy
10-12-2021, 13:44
pulling on those oars with a young girl may not be advisable with those two :eek:

Macca
10-12-2021, 14:05
Andrew to Julian - 'No sweat mate.'

guy
10-12-2021, 20:34
hey ho and up she rises, early in the morning :)

Oddball
10-12-2021, 21:34
Evening all!! Been absent for a long while ,but having regualr covid arguements with loons on my other forum made we yearn for a quieter place!!
I am 4 and a half weeks into a total hip replacement so only really starting to feel human again after a fair few months (or years) hobbling around and feeling grumpy !!

The one thing that has been a god send to me ,both in hospital and at home is the I Pod classic that my daughter left when she move out !!
I recharged it , formatted it and spent a few days putting nearly all my cd,s onto it !!
Woo.
It has the facility to play songs by title ,so effectively mixing up and playing songs , all 4 hundred or so , randomly ,or select an album !! And because I bought the Yamaha CD 3200?? can recall the proper number now ,but it links into the usb slot provided and I can either listen on the move or play through the cd player Apple Lossless :eek:

Very old school to all you Spotify users etc but what a great thing the Classic was (once you get the hang of the controls !!)

Nice to be back - hope I havent missed much !!??;)

walpurgis
10-12-2021, 21:39
Hi Anto. Hope your hip settles down.

guy
10-12-2021, 22:28
plenty of covid conspiracy theories here :lol:

Oddball
10-12-2021, 22:37
Hi Anto. Hope your hip settles down.
Thanks geoff , hope youre good mate

Barry
10-12-2021, 23:43
Evening all!! Been absent for a long while ,but having regular covid arguments with loons on my other forum made me yearn for a quieter place!!
I am 4 and a half weeks into a total hip replacement so only really starting to feel human again after a fair few months (or years) hobbling around and feeling grumpy !!

The one thing that has been a god send to me ,both in hospital and at home is the I Pod classic that my daughter left when she move out !!
I recharged it , formatted it and spent a few days putting nearly all my cd,s onto it !!
Woo.
It has the facility to play songs by title ,so effectively mixing up and playing songs , all 4 hundred or so , randomly ,or select an album !! And because I bought the Yamaha CD 3200?? can recall the proper number now ,but it links into the usb slot provided and I can either listen on the move or play through the cd player Apple Lossless :eek:

Very old school to all you Spotify users etc. but what a great thing the Classic was (once you get the hang of the controls !!)

Nice to be back - hope I haven't missed much !!??;)

Old school? My last (and only) portable music player was a Sony Walkman which played cassettes! :rolleyes:

The Forum has been quiet of late, though we have a Covid page where there have been some 'robust' views expressed.

Glad to see you back and trust you quickly recover from your hip operation; enough for you to enjoy Christmas .

Macca
11-12-2021, 08:26
Good to see you back.

struth
11-12-2021, 08:30
Thanks geoff , hope youre good mate

hi Anto, good to see your ok. hip pain is terrible. glad youve got an op mate...

Firebottle
11-12-2021, 08:31
Hi Anto, glad you are getting back to humanity as you put it.

struth
11-12-2021, 10:52
looking like we might have to get more boosters in new year the way things are going. :doh:

Macca
11-12-2021, 11:11
Mine is 8th January. Couldn't get in before Xmas.

Booster is supposed to give 75% protection from omicron - not sure how they calculate that.

struth
11-12-2021, 11:15
Mine is 8th January. Couldn't get in before Xmas.

Booster is supposed to give 75% protection from omicron - not sure how they calculate that.

mine is next friday. not sure how im gonna manage as im having to go to place. walking/lifting etc is difficult. might get daughter to come

Pigmy Pony
11-12-2021, 13:58
Mine is 8th January. Couldn't get in before Xmas.

Booster is supposed to give 75% protection from omicron - not sure how they calculate that.

Your figures are out of date, since Bert next door and his daughter got Covid, it's gone down to 74%

Pigmy Pony
11-12-2021, 14:06
Old school? My last (and only) portable music player was a Sony Walkman which played cassettes! :rolleyes:

The Forum has been quiet of late, though we have a Covid page where there have been some 'robust' views expressed.

Glad to see you back and trust you quickly recover from your hip operation; enough for you to enjoy Christmas .

Old school? I think you and Anto mean old grammar school - my "Walkman" was made by Alba :) that's old school with hand-me-down blazer and free school meals...

Pigmy Pony
11-12-2021, 14:07
Old school? My last (and only) portable music player was a Sony Walkman which played cassettes! :rolleyes:

The Forum has been quiet of late, though we have a Covid page where there have been some 'robust' views expressed.

Glad to see you back and trust you quickly recover from your hip operation; enough for you to enjoy Christmas .

Old school? I think you and Anto mean old grammar school - my "Walkman" was made by Alba :) that's old school with hand-me-down blazer and free school meals...

Welcome back Anto

Barry
11-12-2021, 14:30
There's bit of an echo in here. ;)

Pigmy Pony
11-12-2021, 14:55
There's bit of an echo in here. ;)

:) (:):):):):))

guy
11-12-2021, 15:43
wish I could yodel :)

Pigmy Pony
11-12-2021, 15:50
wish I could yodel :)

If you watch C5's series "Winter on the Farm", there's a presenter called Jules Somebody-or-other, who could teach you how. When he gets excited he can't help himself. Anita loves that programme and is now fed up with me constantly taking the piss out of Jules' yodelling :)

walpurgis
11-12-2021, 19:13
Wow. Can you get a blackbelt for spreadsheets? :D

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/watch-the-worlds-greatest-spreadsheet-sorcerers-throw-down-in-the-world-cup-of-microsoft-excel/

Oddball
11-12-2021, 20:34
If you watch C5's series "Winter on the Farm", there's a presenter called Jules Somebody-or-other, who could teach you how. When he gets excited he can't help himself. Anita loves that programme and is now fed up with me constantly taking the piss out of Jules' yodelling :)

Its good watching ,especially if you are a farmer too :eyebrows:
Jules Hudson - he does the Escape To The Country progs too !!

Pigmy Pony
11-12-2021, 23:04
Its good watching ,especially if you are a farmer too :eyebrows:
Jules Hudson - he does the Escape To The Country progs too !!

All those 'farming' programmes are good escapism for us townies too - Yorkshire Vet, and the Yorkshire couple with the eighty or so kids that all muck in - she watches them all, and I quite like them too :)

struth
12-12-2021, 02:09
i liked julia bradbury on countryfile etc.. sexy gal too:)

Barry
12-12-2021, 17:38
i liked julia bradbury on countryfile etc.. sexy gal too:)

Ah - the lovely Julia.

Oddball
13-12-2021, 19:50
Having an interest in restoring /fixing old sewing machines ,I am now determined to make a few kites !!
I loved kite flying when I were a lad ,so its onto Fleabay for some rip stop fabric and see if I can find some old tent poles or bamboo,whatever,and an old reel of kite twine and hopefully will be flying soon :whistle:

Mikeandvan
13-12-2021, 23:17
Just rewatched the entire 'The Sweeney' series, that Thames TV intro sure brings back memories..........Rollocking good fun, the sexist comments provide the funniest dialogue, the hammy plots seem quaint, interesting how much crime has changed, then it was all bank robberies and lorry hijacks, now its internet fraud and drug dealing. Makes one pine for the pre internet days, I know, I could always turn it off............the internet that is.

Macca
14-12-2021, 08:27
The Sweeny puts modern police shows to shame in every respect, plots, acting, dialogue, direction.

My uncle was in CID through the Sixties and Seventies, he always said The Sweeney was totally realistic except that their office was too tidy - there should have been huge piles of paperwork everywhere.

Pigmy Pony
14-12-2021, 18:23
The Sweeny puts modern police shows to shame in every respect, plots, acting, dialogue, direction.

My uncle was in CID through the Sixties and Seventies, he always said The Sweeney was totally realistic except that their office was too tidy - there should have been huge piles of paperwork everywhere.

If modern police were allowed to be more like the Sweeny, country would be in better shape. Imagine some scrote saying "No comment" to Jack Regan, I'd pay good money to see his response :punch:

Mikeandvan
14-12-2021, 18:47
If modern police were allowed to be more like the Sweeny, country would be in better shape. Imagine some scrote saying "No comment" to Jack Regan, I'd pay good money to see his response :punch:

Young idiots these days don't realise how nice our police are, why, I was arrested once, and they even asked me would I like a cup of tea!

Macca
14-12-2021, 18:54
If modern police were allowed to be more like the Sweeny, country would be in better shape:

And they'd get to see Diane Keene's jugs. Or whoever her modern-day equivalent is.

'Put 'em away love, I've not had me breakfast yet.'

struth
14-12-2021, 18:56
i was arrested and beaten up in front of whole station. they all laughed and wanted me to react so they could all jump in. thing was i hadnt done anything but older bad cops carry sway with the younger ones and this is what you get.
we get what we pay for.. thugs mostly. any good ones going in soon get told to go with the sway of the force. back each other up or your finished.
its all of our faults' for not demanding better.

Macca
14-12-2021, 19:03
Years ago it was like that, I don't get the impression that it is now.

A friend of mine was arrested on suspicion of breaking and entering. This was about 1971. The held him in the cells for three days without charging him, but he wouldn't confess so they beat him up and then let him go.

PACE stopped a lot of that though, according to my uncle.

struth
14-12-2021, 19:16
Years ago it was like that, I don't get the impression that it is now.

A friend of mine was arrested on suspicion of breaking and entering. This was about 1971. The held him in the cells for three days without charging him, but he wouldn't confess so they beat him up and then let him go.

PACE stopped a lot of that though, according to my uncle.

mine was before pace but ive heard it still goes on.. maybe not so often tho. i might add i dont tar them all with same brush; but many are just legalised thugs sadly, and very racist too.

Mikeandvan
14-12-2021, 22:57
i was arrested and beaten up in front of whole station. they all laughed and wanted me to react so they could all jump in. thing was i hadnt done anything but older bad cops carry sway with the younger ones and this is what you get.
we get what we pay for.. thugs mostly. any good ones going in soon get told to go with the sway of the force. back each other up or your finished.
its all of our faults' for not demanding better.

What was you arrested for?

Barry
14-12-2021, 23:14
What was you arrested for?

Possibly for the poor use of grammar! :D

Pigmy Pony
15-12-2021, 19:45
Young idiots these days don't realise how nice our police are, why, I was arrested once, and they even asked me would I like a cup of tea!

So that was you? I thought you'd be too young to appear in Dixon of Dock Green.

Pigmy Pony
15-12-2021, 19:51
He probably asked them if they were film buffs, and they thought it was rhyming slang for something :eyebrows:

Mikeandvan
15-12-2021, 20:34
Possibly for the poor use of grammar! :D

ah, were? My Spanish girlfriend asked me only last night did I 'go to a shit school'.

Mikeandvan
15-12-2021, 20:35
So that was you? I thought you'd be too young to appear in Dixon of Dock Green.

The good old days! These days its all police are institutionally racist, sexist, all the ists, may have true in the past, but aren't we suppposed to have the nicest police in the world?

Macca
15-12-2021, 20:55
You could probably mess most of our cops about a little bit before it came on top. I wouldn't say that about the police in any other country I've been to. Except maybe Holland.

Mikeandvan
15-12-2021, 22:07
You could probably mess most of our cops about a little bit before it came on top. I wouldn't say that about the police in any other country I've been to. Except maybe Holland.

What about Sweden? They're more like social workers there. They've invited so many refugees into their country, now, shock horror, they've got 'crime ghettoes', you couldn;t make it up.

Macca
16-12-2021, 08:12
Never been to Sweden. Too cold.

struth
16-12-2021, 08:25
Never been to Sweden. Too cold.

my dad was there.. he said it was a nice, but bloody expensive place lol

walpurgis
16-12-2021, 08:25
Dunno about Sweden. Been to Swindon, does that count? :D

guy
16-12-2021, 08:29
Dunno about Sweden. Been to Swindon, does that count? :D

I think so - they all speak with a strange accent :)

struth
16-12-2021, 08:32
I think so - they all speak with a strange accent :)

not to mention yorkshire:eyebrows: ee up lads etc:D

struth
16-12-2021, 08:35
mind you much of scotland is worse alas; even for scots:ner:

walpurgis
16-12-2021, 08:50
How would each of us describe their own accent?

That might keep you thinking! :)

I'll kick off: Educated, but not posh London accent.

struth
16-12-2021, 08:54
not so much mine, but local accent here isnt great; kinda unpleasant to folk elsewhere i guess although you do get used to it. took me 20 years lol. mine is a mismash of several i guess as i moved about a lot so picked up a bit of every. not saying its good tho. so just mishmash scottish which i can change to irish at times if in mood lol

Barry
16-12-2021, 14:04
How would each of us describe their own accent?

That might keep you thinking! :)



I went to a private school in Bristol and received elocution lessons there. Moved around a bit, attended a couple of Universities, so I'm not sure how I sound to others - probably well spoken but not posh.

walpurgis
16-12-2021, 14:25
My dad was very fussy about English being spoken properly. He disliked affected 'hooray Henry posh' speech and tried to be accent free with precise diction. It rubbed off on me when young, fortunately, I managed to shake that off and develop a touch of yob :D.

struth
16-12-2021, 15:14
just had a lass in injecting me with moderna.. saves me having to try and go to place as i dont think i would manage myself tbh. she will have to return with a flu one as she was out of them

walpurgis
16-12-2021, 15:16
Getting sorted then Grant :).

struth
16-12-2021, 15:18
Getting sorted then Grant :).

yup.. car looks like monday, and just got my warm home discout through too.. everything coming up roses... summat is bound to go wrong:D

walpurgis
16-12-2021, 15:27
I've got my last grocery delivery coming Sunday. Won't bother again until mid January and I'll be avoiding the shops as much as possible.

struth
16-12-2021, 15:45
I've got my last grocery delivery coming Sunday. Won't bother again until mid January and I'll be avoiding the shops as much as possible.

ive one next week. a biggish one so that will be my last i think.

arm is a little sore already. first time ive had anything

guy
16-12-2021, 16:10
Several years ago my head of (secondary school science) department told me that I got on well with the kids because I spoke "Estuary English".

Bastard; I liked to think that I had good relationships with the pupils because, unlike him, I wasn't an ineffectual twat :)

struth
16-12-2021, 16:18
Several years ago my head of (secondary school science) department told me that I got on well with the kids because I spoke "Estuary English".

Bastard; I liked to think that I had good relationships with the pupils because, unlike him, I wasn't an ineffectual twat :)

so you were the life and sole of the party then:eyebrows:

guy
16-12-2021, 16:20
I knew my plaice and didn't tell him what I thought :)

struth
16-12-2021, 16:24
i will mull-it over:eyebrows:

guy
16-12-2021, 16:42
I won't carp on about it

struth
16-12-2021, 16:51
boom, boom. :D

having a dram to celebrate.... help me sleep too:)

guy
16-12-2021, 17:07
Cheers Grant - just poured myself a home-brew "Yorkshire bitter" to celebrate finishing glossing the new skirting (I hate glossing, so I'm pleased that it has gone well and is now finished).

which of your amazing selection of malts are you celebrating with?

struth
16-12-2021, 17:13
https://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/p-2813/glen-scotia/glen-scotia-double-cask-whisky.jpg?ss=2.0

my standard drink these days. top stuff.

Pigmy Pony
16-12-2021, 18:25
so you were the life and sole of the party then:eyebrows:

That sort of humour has no plaice here

Pigmy Pony
16-12-2021, 18:28
I knew my plaice and didn't tell him what I thought :)

Minnow you beat me to it :doh: but I couldn't kelp myself

struth
17-12-2021, 08:38
So the Tories got hammered in their safe seat.... first time its not been tory for 200 yrs. well done boris

walpurgis
17-12-2021, 08:47
Yes, 'Bullshit Boris' and his pals have outlived their uselessness. Sadly, it's been like having a bunch of students in charge. Unfortunately, the alternative is equally unattractive.

struth
17-12-2021, 08:56
Yes, 'Bullshit Boris' and his pals have outlived their uselessness. Sadly, it's been like having a bunch of students in charge. Unfortunately, the alternative is equally unattractive.

not sure it can be any worse tbh.. think they will can him in new year

walpurgis
17-12-2021, 09:06
not sure it can be any worse tbh.

If the next government is Labour, things will be worse. Endless infighting and 'woke' crap and all the minority agendas being thrust at us.

Talk about 'the devil and the deep blue sea'. Regular folk have no chance of a look in either way.

Alex_UK
17-12-2021, 12:16
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Macca
17-12-2021, 12:23
not sure it can be any worse tbh.. think they will can him in new year

I don't think so. People said that about Thatcher in 1980.

You don't dump a leader whose recently won you a massive majority. Tories are many things but they are not daft.

I predict he'll still be here at the next election and will win again although with lower majority.

guy
17-12-2021, 14:06
I don't think so. People said that about Thatcher in 1980.

You don't dump a leader whose recently won you a massive majority. Tories are many things but they are not daft.

I predict he'll still be here at the next election and will win again although with lower majority.

Alternative view could be that there will be pressure from "newly elected" Conservative MP's in "traditional Labour" seats for something to be done to regain public confidence - that something would be dumping Boris?

struth
17-12-2021, 14:51
might upset many stove users/


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/17/wood-burners-urban-air-pollution-cancer-risk-study

Macca
17-12-2021, 15:09
Alternative view could be that there will be pressure from "newly elected" Conservative MP's in "traditional Labour" seats for something to be done to regain public confidence - that something would be dumping Boris?

I don't think that will happen. Perfectly normal for a government in mid term to be polling low and losing by-elections, even without a global pandemic. Next election still a long way off and a week is a long time in politics let alone three years.

Plus new MPs don't really have any say in how the party (:D) is run.

Pigmy Pony
17-12-2021, 19:58
It looks like most Christmas parties this year will be cancelled, and probably a good idea. Those determined to have a right old knees up might have to resort to wandering round Westminster with a bottle of single malt.

struth
18-12-2021, 08:21
couldnt make it up. the guy the tories put in to check their partying, was partying himself and is stepping down.. pity he didnt own up before he was caught.. its just institutionalised lying.

Mikeandvan
18-12-2021, 11:39
If the next government is Labour, things will be worse. Endless infighting and 'woke' crap and all the minority agendas being thrust at us.

Talk about 'the devil and the deep blue sea'. Regular folk have no chance of a look in either way.

I thought some of the Tory fightback against the Woke agenda was heartening, but like many Tory promises, they are largely hot air. Woke ideas have been firmly entrenching themselves in the UK since the 80s, back then it was called Political Correctness. Charities, universities, healthcare, much more push back is needed. Pregnant mothers are now routinely referred to - collectively anyway - in NHS literature as 'pregnant people', it's so Orwellian, and shows complete disdain for normal folk, on the one hand, a lot of this crap doesn't matter in our day to day lives, but on the other, you wonder how far it will go, until it does. I was also utterly dismayed by all the BLM stuff over the last year or two, I find the narrative has been completely skewered, same with these woke types constantly banging about Britain's colonial past, with statues quietly been removed all over the country. Again not really the sort of thing that matters to people in their everyday lives, it feels performative, who really cares about statues anyway? Unless they start gunning for more important figures like Churchill or Queen Victoria, personally not a fan of either, but what does scare me is the Maoist 'Year zero' thinking of these zealots. One things for sure, important matters like affordable housing, immigration, and the state of our town centres post covid, will hardly be addressed, to be honest, politicians are really of no use to us, we have to do these things ourselves, and with the almost complete lack of public action these days, that results in 'every man for himself'.

Barry
18-12-2021, 18:31
When I visited Namibia, back in the '90s, the topic of what to do with all the numerous statues of the German colonialists cropped up as a national debate. Most people said that despite having suffered under original German colonial rule, and later British rule (undertaken by the South African government), the statues were part of their history and should remain.

The statue of Edward Colston was erected to celebrate his being a major benefactor to the City of Bristol, establishing two schools and several other city projects. The fact that his wealth was generated through the slave trade with all the suffering that involved, was not mentioned. It is right that these statues should be removed and put into a museum, where the true history can be displayed for all to read.

It may not matter to you, but if you are black or have black friends, then it will.

Macca
18-12-2021, 21:38
Disagree.

I'd be surprised if prior to all the fuss if even one in a thousand Bristolians were even aware of the statue or knew who it was.

A lot of nonsense designed to divide people.

Barry
18-12-2021, 21:56
Really? The statue was in the centre of the city, and anyone who was at all interested in the history of their city would have been aware the wealth of the city was due to the slave trade.

struth
19-12-2021, 06:42
not getting into the slave trade, but i think majority of those type of statues in public view have long outlived themselves. It was a dispicible trade and i dont see why they should be honoured for giving some of their dirty money to a town or institution.
that said, i kinda agree with macca that the majority, unless told wouldnt have likely noticed who it was or what he did.

Macca
19-12-2021, 09:55
Really? The statue was in the centre of the city, and anyone who was at all interested in the history of their city would have been aware the wealth of the city was due to the slave trade.

yes really. What percentage of people are interested in history? Very small number.

The wealth of Bristol - and Colston - was derived from global trade, only a percentage of that was slavery. I was watching a very poor documentary about Liverpool the other day where it was stated that the city owed its wealth to slavery. Despite the fact that in the 1800s sixty percent of all global trade passed through Liverpool. Presumably that didn't generate any money at all.

We constantly see these attempts to rewrite history. I'm fine with them deleting slavers from history but only so long as they cover all of the bases equally - so all the African rulers who made the people into slaves in the first place, and every other culture that had slavery which is pretty much every culture on every continent (maybe excepting the aboriginals of Australia and New Zealand, not sure about them). Let's not just pick on the white English people. But that won't happen as it doesn't suit their agenda.

struth
19-12-2021, 10:04
the arab countries probably had more of them than went west

guy
19-12-2021, 10:04
yes really. What percentage of people are interested in history? Very small number.

The wealth of Bristol - and Colston - was derived from global trade, only a percentage of that was slavery. I was watching a very poor documentary about Liverpool the other day where it was stated that the city owed its wealth to slavery. Despite the fact that in the 1800s sixty percent of all global trade passed through Liverpool. Presumably that didn't generate any money at all.

We constantly see these attempts to rewrite history. I'm fine with them deleting slavers from history but only so long as they cover all of the bases equally - so all the African rulers who made the people into slaves in the first place, and every other culture that had slavery which is pretty much every culture on every continent (maybe excepting the aboriginals of Australia and New Zealand, not sure about them). Let's not just pick on the white English people. But that won't happen as it doesn't suit their agenda.

Quite right, and slavery is alive and well in African countries

Macca
19-12-2021, 10:11
the arab countries probably had more of them than went west

Not to mention China and the Indian subcontinent, hundreds of thousands of slaves there. Possibly millions. Are we going to be taking down all the statues of their past rulers too?

It's utter nonsense.

Cotlake
19-12-2021, 10:47
Not to mention China and the Indian subcontinent, hundreds of thousands of slaves there. Possibly millions. Are we going to be taking down all the statues of their past rulers too?

yep. The pyramids are next!

Mikeandvan
19-12-2021, 10:56
When I visited Namibia, back in the '90s, the topic of what to do with all the numerous statues of the German colonialists cropped up as a national debate. Most people said that despite having suffered under original German colonial rule, and later British rule (undertaken by the South African government), the statues were part of their history and should remain.

The statue of Edward Colston was erected to celebrate his being a major benefactor to the City of Bristol, establishing two schools and several other city projects. The fact that his wealth was generated through the slave trade with all the suffering that involved, was not mentioned. It is right that these statues should be removed and put into a museum, where the true history can be displayed for all to read.

It may not matter to you, but if you are black or have black friends, then it will.

I wonder whether that view has changed in Nambia since the 90s? And if as a country under direct colonial rule decided to keep the statues of its oppressors, then why not a country where the oppressors were actually from, I guess that's it, our collective guilt, as performed by 'the woke', who decide daily what we should and shouldn't atone for.

Macca
19-12-2021, 11:24
I wonder whether that view has changed in Nambia since the 90s? And if as a country under direct colonial rule decided to keep the statues of its oppressors, then why not a country where the oppressors were actually from, I guess that's it, our collective guilt, as performed by 'the woke', who decide daily what we should and shouldn't atone for.

in fairness to the 'woke' if it wasn't for the 'woke' kicking up a fuss in the 18th century we might still have slavery now. But that battle was won a long time ago. What they want now is something entirely different.

Mikeandvan
19-12-2021, 11:31
I agree with Macca, although I'm not sure 'the point' is to divide us, but that certainly ends up being the result. The thing is before the George Floyd/BLM thing happened, the issue of 'problematic' (a favourite Woke term) statues wasn't so pressing. It seemed to be confined to statues in the grounds of elite universities, specifically Oxford 'Rhodes must fall' and Cambridge - a 'looted' statue of a cockerel that was handed back to Nigeria in 2021. One wonders that hundreds of years after the event, what these performative displays are supposed to achieve. The main reason given for the removal of these statues is that they are offensive to students of colour, so it boils down to an issue of student welfare, the same sentiment that the 'cry bullies' of Durham university are now expressing after their outrage that Rod Liddle should be able to give a speech there https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-59552264. If these students felt so strongly about learning at a university so directly wedded to Britain's establishment, then one does wonder how they can even bring themselves to study there in the first place, let alone eat directly from the demon hand which oppressed their ancestors by accepting a Rhodes scholarship! The G Floyd incident was May 2020, the Colston statue was pulled down in June 2020, then a few months after councils all over the country are nervously having meetings about which statues in their boroughs may be problematic. And so we end up with a statue of the Scouts founder being considered for removal, and so on, where does it end? These activists are so short sighted, so sure of their righteousness that they are calling for the Churchill statue in Whitehall to be removed, down here in Brighton the huge Queen Vic statue on one of our main avenues has also been targeted, and considering the right on nature of our local council, I wouldn't be surprised to find it gone! There is a similar argument going on in Spain at the moment around statues linked to Franco, this I think is quite different, with some still grieving over the victims of that conflict, the same rawness is nowhere near being felt in the UK statue debate.

Barry
19-12-2021, 15:37
That many other countries practiced slavery (and some still do, but not in name), makes it all right then? :doh:

Macca
19-12-2021, 15:49
That many other countries practiced slavery (and some still do, but not in name), makes it all right then? :doh:

Makes what 'all right'? Slavery? Obviously not.

It does mean that you can't blame any one particular country or culture for it though. They all culpable in that the concept of slavery was accepted and practiced by all of them.

struth
19-12-2021, 17:38
Agreed, nothing makes that ok. At time of course it was, but the UK were one of the first to outlaw it.

Barry
19-12-2021, 18:25
1807 - Britain passes Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, outlawing British Atlantic slave trade.

and then

1833 - Britain passes Abolition of Slavery Act, ordering gradual abolition of slavery in all British colonies. Plantation owners in the West Indies receive 20 million pounds in compensation. (£20 million in 1883 is the equivalent of about £2.3 billion today)

Mikeandvan
19-12-2021, 20:10
1807 - Britain passes Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, outlawing British Atlantic slave trade.

and then

1833 - Britain passes Abolition of Slavery Act, ordering gradual abolition of slavery in all British colonies. Plantation owners in the West Indies receive 20 million pounds in compensation. (£20 million in 1883 is the equivalent of about £2.3 billion today)

It's sick isn't it? And they were still paying the comp in the twentieth century apparently! The British establishment did some truly awful things, including getting half of China hooked on opium, one does wonder when they'll take their revenge.......

guy
19-12-2021, 21:15
That many other countries practiced slavery (and some still do, but not in name), makes it all right then? :doh:

:rolleyes:not at all, but wouldn't our energies be better spent wiping out slavery where ever it is going on today?

Or do we go the whole hog and destroy all relics/buildings/statues celebrating any empire from past times which made money from slavery - thats any statues from Ancient Rome fucked for starters.

Or are you suggesting that it was only wrong for particular countries at certain points in history? What would be the criteria for wiping history :scratch:

Mikeandvan
19-12-2021, 21:45
:rolleyes:not at all, but wouldn't our energies be better spent wiping out slavery where ever it is going on today?

Or do we go the whole hog and destroy all relics/buildings/statues celebrating any empire from past times which made money from slavery - thats any statues from Ancient Rome fucked for starters.

Or are you suggesting that it was only wrong for particular countries at certain points in history? What would be the criteria for wiping history :scratch:

I demand the old financial district around St.Pauls in London is demolished immediately, starting with the Bank of England, and that's just for starters.

Barry
19-12-2021, 22:17
:rolleyes:not at all, but wouldn't our energies be better spent wiping out slavery where ever it is going on today?

Or do we go the whole hog and destroy all relics/buildings/statues celebrating any empire from past times which made money from slavery - thats any statues from Ancient Rome fucked for starters.

Or are you suggesting that it was only wrong for particular countries at certain points in history? What would be the criteria for wiping history :scratch:

I'm not suggesting we 'wipe' or re-write history, I am suggesting that it would be good idea to remove statues celebrating those who were involved in, and profited from the slave trade (including royalty, for example: Charles II).

As to slavery where ever it is going on today: well you could make a start with some Saudi households in London, as well as much of the domestic staff in Mauritania. The treatment of some of the Uighurs in north western China would be another area to look.

Barry
19-12-2021, 22:20
It's sick isn't it? And they were still paying the comp in the twentieth century apparently! The British establishment did some truly awful things, including getting half of China hooked on opium, one does wonder when they'll take their revenge.......

What makes you think it hasn't already started?

Mikeandvan
19-12-2021, 22:32
I'm not suggesting we 'wipe' or re-write history, I am suggesting that it would be good idea to remove statues celebrating those who were involved in, and profited from the slave trade (including royalty, for example: Charles II).

As to slavery where ever it is going on today: well you could make a start with some Saudi households in London, as well as much of the domestic staff in Mauritania. The treatment of some of the Uighurs in north western China would be another area to look.

Please do tell us Barry why you think it would be beneficial to remove any statues of Charles II, wherever they may be!

Barry
19-12-2021, 22:37
Please do tell us Barry why you think it would be beneficial to remove any statues of Charles II, wherever they may be!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_African_Company

Mikeandvan
19-12-2021, 22:40
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_African_Company

In your own words?

Barry
19-12-2021, 22:54
In your own words?

????

Macca
20-12-2021, 08:48
It's sick isn't it? And they were still paying the comp in the twentieth century apparently! The British establishment did some truly awful things, including getting half of China hooked on opium, one does wonder when they'll take their revenge.......

Oh dear. That's another made up stick to beat us with I'm afraid.

Opium use in China had been common for thousands of years. The Manchus, who were the ruling class (and not actually Chinese) banned it in order to get more work out of the peasants, thus creating a black market which was supplied from many different sources.

Mikeandvan
20-12-2021, 09:31
Oh dear. That's another made up stick to beat us with I'm afraid.

Opium use in China had been common for thousands of years. The Manchus, who were the ruling class (and not actually Chinese) banned it in order to get more work out of the peasants, thus creating a black market which was supplied from many different sources.

I've got to stop watching those Adam Curtis documentaries!!

Macca
20-12-2021, 09:46
what's really funny is that if these people wanted to make a list of 'bad things the British did' they could get a pretty long one without making stuff up.

It wouldn't be as long as the list for some of the other 19th century colonial powers though. And god forbid we include any of the Asian or African countries where the most astonishing cruelties were just a way of life.

History no longer taught properly in schools though so they can get away with this stuff as there's so few people with the knowledge to challenge them.

Mikeandvan
20-12-2021, 10:04
what's really funny is that if these people wanted to make a list of 'bad things the British did' they could get a pretty long one without making stuff up.

It wouldn't be as long as the list for some of the other 19th century colonial powers though. And god forbid we include any of the Asian or African countries where the most astonishing cruelties were just a way of life.

History no longer taught properly in schools though so they can get away with this stuff as there's so few people with the knowledge to challenge them.

They're only interested in bad things done by white men, and that includes contemporary life too. Is it any wonder the Woke take so much out of the Maoism handbook?

Barry
20-12-2021, 17:48
The Chinese have a lot of things to be ashamed about - the 'annexation' of Tibet in 1950 for example, and the current treatment of the Uighurs in Chinese Turkistan.

They had their eyes on Bhutan, but abandoned any attempt after Indian moved thousands of troops near the border as a deterrence.

Alex_UK
20-12-2021, 20:36
Sorry, to change the subject, but I’m fuming!

I will never help anyone again......EVER! I'm too kindhearted, or I'm too stupid..... [emoji20]

Yesterday it was so cold out that we took a man into our home out of the kindness of our hearts. We felt so sorry for him, poor thing was standing stiff and frozen out in the cold, but this morning he had just vanished. Not a word...not even a goodbye or a thank you for sheltering him.

The last straw?!?! When I realised he had peed all over the kitchen floor! That's the “thank you” I get for being good to people?!?!?!

Now I'm going to warn my friends to watch out for this man! He is heavy-set, wearing nothing but a scarf, he has a carrot-like nose, two black eyes, and his arms are stick skinny. Don't bring him into your house! What a mess he made on the floor. [emoji35]

:lol: Merry Christmas everyone!

Barry
20-12-2021, 20:48
Nice one Alex, well done! :)

Alex_UK
20-12-2021, 21:01
Nice one Alex, well done! :)

Shamelessly pinched, but I thought it would raise a smile!

Macca
21-12-2021, 14:07
finally got around to putting the Xmas tree up:



https://i.ibb.co/qyG10T7/tree.jpg (https://ibb.co/PmpCTqF)

struth
21-12-2021, 14:19
its bigger than mine:D

Alex_UK
21-12-2021, 16:26
I’m liking the snowy background effect too! :lol:

Pigmy Pony
21-12-2021, 16:34
I’m liking the snowy background effect too! :lol:

Don't be mocking his plastering skills, it's took him a year to get to that standard :D

Macca
21-12-2021, 17:17
That's genuine 1970s Artex that is.

You've got these hipsters paying a fortune now for 1970s sideboards you couldn't give away once upon a time. Artex has to be next.

Mikeandvan
21-12-2021, 18:08
That's genuine 1970s Artex that is.

You've got these hipsters paying a fortune now for 1970s sideboards you couldn't give away once upon a time. Artex has to be next.

That's cos they're wicked. Prices have gone a bit nuts on them though.

struth
21-12-2021, 18:10
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has announced a $100 (£75) payment for anyone getting a booster jab before the end of the year.

Unveiling the incentive at a Tuesday media briefing, he said it would be a "challenging few weeks" for the city amid a fast "upsurge in cases" driven by Omicron.

New York state has reported record Covid-19 case numbers for four consecutive days, including 23,391 on Monday.

Mayor de Blasio said the infections appeared to be milder, pledging that New York would "weather the storm" of the variant and avoid further shutdowns.
one way to get a xmas bonus i guess

Oddball
22-12-2021, 15:40
Bugger ,I read Alexs story about the cold man ,and I was so angry myself!
I thought ,how did you know he wasnt going to murder you in your sleep??

:doh:

struth
22-12-2021, 15:55
he wouldnt have been in my house

Pigmy Pony
22-12-2021, 16:43
I'd take him in as long as he didn't have Aled bloody Jones with him. Stop yer wailing Aled, I'm trying to hear the Queen's speech :(

Macca
22-12-2021, 17:17
Aled be more likely to try interesting you in a renovated cottage in Dorset these days.

Macca
22-12-2021, 17:25
although granted that would be just as distracting from HM Queen

Of course when 'Zulu' comes on later he could sing along.

struth
22-12-2021, 17:50
he's over 50 now ffs.. i remember him when he was a little boy.... still looks same mind lol

Pigmy Pony
22-12-2021, 18:29
I seem to remember him thinking his singing career would be over because his balls had dropped.

Pigmy Pony
25-12-2021, 11:59
i know I'm a bit shit with tech, but really I shouldn't be allowed near any online shopping...

Last week I thought it would be a nice Christmas treat for Anita if I played a record she might like, so I put on Alexander O'Neal's "Hearsay" album. She liked it so much (she used to have it on cassette in her Capri) I said I'd get it on CD for her.

Bought it on Ebay, then was told it would arrive 4th January. Bit late for Christmas, so I went on Amazon and ordered it there. Arrived the next day, then the day after that the Ebay one landed (I'd failed to cancel that one).

So this morning she assumed from the weight and shape (feels like a double!) I'd got her the latest "Now" CD. What a surprise! Two copies of Alexander O'Neal's album! She was very gracious about it. But not so pleased to find I'd accidentally signed up to Amazon Prime, which we already have :(

I really should have gone to a record shop.

struth
25-12-2021, 12:11
you can cancel it again. online selling rules.

bbones
25-12-2021, 13:07
Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Xmas and happy healthy safe 2022.

A smidge cold here this morning. -22C Good excuse to make it a pyjama day. :)

Pigmy Pony
25-12-2021, 22:58
you can cancel it again. online selling rules.

I would leave that to Anita - if I tried she would probably end up with three copies :doh: That's three copies too many imo. but no accounting for taste.

Pigmy Pony
25-12-2021, 23:04
Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Xmas and happy healthy safe 2022.

A smidge cold here this morning. -22C Good excuse to make it a pyjama day. :)

And maybe put the heating on. Merry Christmas to you too Steve :santa:

walpurgis
26-12-2021, 08:11
Merry Boxing Day all. (well I couldn't think of anything else to say :))

struth
26-12-2021, 08:47
Merry Boxing Day all. (well I couldn't think of anything else to say :))

used to be a day of giving to the poor...didnt last too long tho;)

Pigmy Pony
26-12-2021, 08:49
used to be a day of giving to the poor...didnt last too long tho;)

That sounds like a good idea - I'll PM my delivery address to anyone interested :)

Barry
26-12-2021, 12:59
Here we have opened our presents today, as originally it was the tradition - hence the name.

struth
26-12-2021, 13:15
a good article on it here.

https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/inspire-me/why-do-we-give-gifts-at-christmas/

Alex_UK
26-12-2021, 16:53
Sad to see Janice Long has passed away, aged just 66. A list of many firsts as a female broadcaster, always enjoyed hearing and seeing her. RIP Janice. :(

Pigmy Pony
26-12-2021, 16:55
Here we have opened our presents today, as originally it was the tradition - hence the name.

Well we've just had a right old punch up with the in-laws - I thought THAT was the tradition :)

Alex_UK
26-12-2021, 17:00
Well we've just had a right old punch up with the in-laws - I thought THAT was the tradition :)

Sorry to hear that. Luckily my wife warned her mum and step dad this year “any of your nonsense and you’ll be going home”. They kept their mouths shut by eating and drinking us out of house and home, so maybe a double-edged sword...

To paraphrase the late great Les Dawson, “for the last 7 years the mother-in-law has come round for Christmas. This year we’re going to do something different, and let her in.”

Pigmy Pony
26-12-2021, 17:21
Sorry to hear that.



Sorry to hear that you believed my story Alex :ner: Truth is "the in-laws" comprise just Anita's dad, who hasn't a bad bone in his body :)

Nice to hear that it was your wife who laid down the law, but maybe that's just my inability to deal with confrontation. Hopefully they left you at least a mince pie :)

struth
26-12-2021, 17:26
your a bad man;)

Pigmy Pony
26-12-2021, 17:36
Got a ride earlier in my daughter's partner's latest car, a 2018 AMG E63 S. Wet roads, 604bhp and a young man keen to impress is a tricky combination, and how I managed to keep my lunch down I've no idea.

He says his previous three cars (Nissan GTR, Audi RS5, AMG 63 CLS) couldn't come near on the scare-yourself-shitless scale, and I can believe that. Totally bonkers, but a lovely place to be when it isn't moving.

Alex_UK
26-12-2021, 17:39
Hopefully they left you at least a mince pie :)

:lol: yep, ya got me there!

Not a massive fan of minced pies to be fair, but I think there may be a couple. They demolished the remaining “pigs in blankets” from lunch, or at least they thought they did, I had the last laugh and kept some back for tonight’s tea! Don’t know about anyone else, but the “bits and pieces” teas at Christmas are the best meals - cold meats, a heart attack of a cheese board, pork pie, scotch eggs, some token greenery and coleslaw... :drool: not to mention the vintage port... :)

Alex_UK
26-12-2021, 17:44
Most of my mates have stupidly fast cars, and I must admit I generally hate it when they want to show me “what I can do”. I think I’m a control freak which doesn’t help, but as you’ll appreciate Steve, when you own a fast motorbike you can scare yourself shitless whenever you like, which for me isn’t very often these days!

struth
26-12-2021, 17:50
Got a ride earlier in my daughter's partner's latest car, a 2018 AMG E63 S. Wet roads, 604bhp and a young man keen to impress is a tricky combination, and how I managed to keep my lunch down I've no idea.

He says his previous three cars (Nissan GTR, Audi RS5, AMG 63 CLS) couldn't come near on the scare-yourself-shitless scale, and I can believe that. Totally bonkers, but a lovely place to be when it isn't moving.

im not a fast driving freak. its ok up to a point when im driving but even then, ive seen too many nasties to push my luck

Pigmy Pony
26-12-2021, 18:09
Most of my mates have stupidly fast cars, and I must admit I generally hate it when they want to show me “what I can do”. I think I’m a control freak which doesn’t help, but as you’ll appreciate Steve, when you own a fast motorbike you can scare yourself shitless whenever you like, which for me isn’t very often these days!

Agree on all counts, it's much scarier when you aren't the one "in control". And getting older makes it more so, when you have a greater sense of what happens if it all goes wrong.

I do get to open up the bike occasionally, but it's all carefully chosen moments, and most of the time I ride it at about four tenths of its potential. That's enough for me these days.

Pigmy Pony
26-12-2021, 18:12
im not a fast driving freak. its ok up to a point when im driving but even then, ive seen too many nasties to push my luck

Luck being the operative word. You only have to be unlucky once and it's game over :doh:

struth
26-12-2021, 18:18
I failed French at school, as my French mistress only gave oral:eek:

struth
26-12-2021, 18:24
Luck being the operative word. You only have to be unlucky once and it's game over :doh:

indeed, and that becomes more obvious as your experience grows. i sometimes think a driving test isnt enough

walpurgis
26-12-2021, 18:43
Before long cars will have GPS governed speed limiting (I expect :)).

struth
26-12-2021, 18:56
Before long cars will have GPS governed speed limiting (I expect :)).

probably not far away geoff

Barry
26-12-2021, 20:29
Agreed - not that I approve.

I can foresee a time when you will pay per mile travelled, There will be a very modest car tax (paid per annum, irrespective of engine type or capacity), thereafter you will pay per mile. It might no be popular but it is something that will suit those who do not drive a lot (I'm included in that group).

Pigmy Pony
26-12-2021, 22:09
Agreed - not that I approve.

I can foresee a time when you will pay per mile travelled, There will be a very modest car tax (paid per annum, irrespective of engine type or capacity), thereafter you will pay per mile. It might no be popular but it is something that will suit those who do not drive a lot (I'm included in that group).

True it may not be popular, but I've long thought it to be a more cost efficient and equitable way to collect revenue from drivers. Even though it would probably work out more expensive for me.

Pigmy Pony
26-12-2021, 22:15
Before long cars will have GPS governed speed limiting (I expect :)).

The technology will already be here - our sat nav always knows the speed limit of whichever road we're on, and warns of upcoming speed cameras. No doubt speed limiting will be employed just as soon as we get a transport minister with the balls to implement it, as it would be a surefire votes-loser.

guy
26-12-2021, 22:38
I have thought for years that car tax should be only the revenue collected on fuel sales - fairest way of relating road usage to taxation in my opinion

Barry
27-12-2021, 11:25
The technology will already be here - our sat nav always knows the speed limit of whichever road we're on, and warns of upcoming speed cameras.

So does mine - it's constantly 'dinging' to either tell me I'm about to exceed the speed limit, or there is change of speed limit coming up.

Barry
27-12-2021, 11:31
I have thought for years that car tax should be only the revenue collected on fuel sales - fairest way of relating road usage to taxation in my opinion

I agree. Easy to implement for liquid fuel, but more difficult for electric vehicles, though no doubt it could be done if the car is charged overnight and uses a separate meter.

struth
27-12-2021, 11:31
So does mine - it's constantly 'dinging' to either tell me I'm about to exceed the speed limit, or there is change of speed limit coming up.

mine is rarely on tbh, and when it is the sound is usually muted

struth
27-12-2021, 11:34
I agree. Easy to implement for liquid fuel, but more difficult for electric vehicles, though no doubt it could be done if the car is charged overnight and uses a separate meter.

inclined to think its gonna be on mileage. you will likely get a free allowance then pay on increasing levels. ice vehicles will no doubt pay more, and the poorer mileage you get the more you pay etc.
it will come, and sooner than you think imo

Barry
27-12-2021, 11:36
mine is rarely on tbh, and when it is the sound is usually muted

It's not a loud "ding", but my partners always says "What's that noise?". I'm not sure I can switch it off completely: and if I do more than 80, I get a visual warning on the instrument display.

struth
27-12-2021, 11:43
It's not a loud "ding", but my partners always says "What's that noise?". I'm not sure I can switch it off completely: and if I do more than 80, I get a visual warning on the instrument display.

even with the nav off i get speed sign info(a camera watches for signs) and if i go to say 31/2 it will light up red. no audible, but i may have switched it off. i cant remember. car goes away on thursday so im going to have to relearn everything plus a few things

Pigmy Pony
27-12-2021, 12:14
Has the law changed on the use of electric scooters etc on public roads? I'm seeing a lot of them on the road these days. Or is it just that the police have better things to do than chase them around.

Even stranger, this last couple of months I see each morning a bloke commuting on a motorized skateboard. He occupies the centre of his lane and keeps up with the traffic, and wears a helmet and elbow and knee pads. A part of me thinks that's fine, he's helping reduce congestion and pollution. But another part of me wonders where a motorist would stand insurance-wise if that skateboard lost control and ended up being a bonnet ornament.

struth
27-12-2021, 12:32
e skateboards are illegal on public roads. e scooters, if legitimately hired through a scheme are allowed to be used as its a trial.

trials are being carried out in 32 cities around the UK.

E-scooters hired through these schemes can be ridden on roads and cycle paths and are insured by the operators. The scooters are limited to 15.5mph, with lower limits imposed in some areas via geofencing.

walpurgis
29-12-2021, 20:38
Before long cars will have GPS governed speed limiting (I expect :)).

Looks like I was right. Check item 10. That'll go down well with the Porsche and Jag mob!

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/eleven-driving-changes-laws-coming-25806627

Barry
29-12-2021, 21:53
Number 6 could be interesting - making narrow roads impassable if many cars are parked on your side of the road. We have that problem around here with parents parking their cars to collect their kids from school.

Not that I approve of pavement parking, but sometimes it is a necessary evil.

Alex_UK
29-12-2021, 22:07
Complete change of subject... does anyone have an iPad Pro and if so what do you think of it? I have an original iPad Air which is now starting to feel sluggish and can’t take the latest iOS upgrades so some apps no longer work, and am thinking of getting a new one, but if I went for the iPad Pro 12.9” it could probably double up as a laptop replacement with a decent keyboard. I never thought I would use an iPad but its probably the device I use most, so a better model might make sense?

Pigmy Pony
30-12-2021, 07:39
Complete change of subject... does anyone have an iPad Pro and if so what do you think of it? I have an original iPad Air which is now starting to feel sluggish and can’t take the latest iOS upgrades so some apps no longer work, and am thinking of getting a new one, but if I went for the iPad Pro 12.9” it could probably double up as a laptop replacement with a decent keyboard. I never thought I would use an iPad but its probably the device I use most, so a better model might make sense?

You're really just wanting everyone to give you some compelling reasons to treat yourself :D

Well, it'll be nice and shiny, it'll have that screen protecting film on it which will give you a little buzz of excitement when you peel it off, and also it'll definitely do things better than your old one as well as have some features you never knew you wanted... Dammit, now I want one too :doh:

struth
30-12-2021, 11:31
new car day today... should hopefully be fun:D

Alex_UK
30-12-2021, 12:07
new car day today... should hopefully be fun:D

Now that is PROPER shiny and exciting! Enjoy!

Macca
30-12-2021, 12:11
You can't beat new car day.

full report require.

Pigmy Pony
30-12-2021, 12:20
Now that is PROPER shiny and exciting! Enjoy!

You know what these modern electric cars are like Alex, like an iPad on wheels. Might be worth considering...:)

Pigmy Pony
30-12-2021, 12:23
You can't beat new car day.

full report require.

There was talk about making "New car registration" day a public holiday. So that all those who can't afford a new car can line the streets and wave at those who can.

struth
30-12-2021, 12:36
cheap way to charge it. :D

https://i.redd.it/6d3k3chhkf8z.jpg

Macca
30-12-2021, 14:00
There's one of those VW Beetles been sat opposite my house for about two weeks now. One tyre is completely flat. Starting to wonder if it's been abandoned.

Thinking about breaking it bit by bit. Must be a few quid there.

struth
30-12-2021, 14:14
Arrived and used so it's not new no more.
Nice car, drives well. Will take a while to get used to ithttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/cba35594ae9d5db74bffb141b28d6a79.jpg

Gazjam
30-12-2021, 14:18
Nice car grant!
like the colour.

Macca
30-12-2021, 14:19
The styling is...interesting.

walpurgis
30-12-2021, 14:25
It'll be a good car Grant. Hyundais are decently put together.

struth
30-12-2021, 14:59
It'll be a good car Grant. Hyundais are decently put together.

seems well enough put together so far. plenty headroom for me too getting in/out. still working out what majority of stuff is lol

struth
30-12-2021, 15:01
The styling is...interesting.

lol, in what way?

struth
30-12-2021, 15:02
Nice car grant!
like the colour.

think its surf blue mate. i quite liked it personally.

Actually it's dive blue

guy
30-12-2021, 15:50
There was talk about making "New car registration" day a public holiday. So that all those who can't afford a new car can line the streets and wave at those who can.

Love it :lol: if only we could make it happen

struth
30-12-2021, 16:53
Car is charging.. remote on phone is very handy. Biometriclly controlled so you need my finger to get in.
Up to 252 miles range, and 86% charged
Can defrost it, heat it up, lock and unlock etc all from my seat indoors.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/3a1a1cb61d5c51424ab7b5ae6c8677fb.jpg

Pigmy Pony
30-12-2021, 17:12
Car is charging.. remote on phone is very handy. Biometriclly controlled so you need my finger to get in.
Up to 252 miles range, and 86% charged
Can defrost it, heat it up, lock and unlock etc all from my seat indoors.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/3a1a1cb61d5c51424ab7b5ae6c8677fb.jpg

A lot harder to lose your fingers than your keys. Just be sure to keep them within easy reach at all times, and don't let anyone else get their hands on them :)

I think it's probably the lack of a radiator grill that makes it look "interesting". But then a radiator grill on an electric car is unnecessary and just a wind scoop. Not good for economy. Personally I like it's face, better than Tesla's.

struth
30-12-2021, 17:23
A lot harder to lose your fingers than your keys. Just be sure to keep them within easy reach at all times, and don't let anyone else get their hands on them :)

I think it's probably the lack of a radiator grill that makes it look "interesting". But then a radiator grill on an electric car is unnecessary and just a wind scoop. Not good for economy. Personally I like it's face, better than Tesla's.

yup cheaper too. i dont have a fancy electic low rate for charging, so just same price for everything. i reckon its cost me about 2 quid for an equ of about a gallon or so in last car. so thats a third the cost. all rough est of course.

Macca
30-12-2021, 19:34
lol, in what way?

It has a mouth nose eyes and eyebrows.

walpurgis
30-12-2021, 20:25
It has a mouth nose eyes and eyebrows.

Can't see a hole for the starting handle though :).

struth
31-12-2021, 09:26
drives well and i dont have to worry about petrol prices....just lecky prices:doh::D

Pigmy Pony
31-12-2021, 09:52
drives well and i dont have to worry about petrol prices....just lecky prices:doh::D

I bet it's pretty quick off the line too. These evs always seem to be nippy, and effortless with it :)

struth
31-12-2021, 09:56
I bet it's pretty quick off the line too. These evs always seem to be nippy, and effortless with it :)

true steve. when you have it in sport, the throttle can be vicious if you really stab it. over 200bhp in an instant..no lag:stalks:

struth
31-12-2021, 09:57
smashed my knee yesterday again. outside edge and im paying for it today. :rolleyes:

Pigmy Pony
31-12-2021, 10:28
smashed my knee yesterday again. outside edge and im paying for it today. :rolleyes:

Bugger... hope it comes right soon. Do you need both legs good to drive the Kona, and if not is it your driving leg?

struth
31-12-2021, 10:30
Bugger... hope it comes right soon. Do you need both legs good to drive the Kona, and if not is it your driving leg?

yeah my good leg... still it's not as bad as last time. more bone and nerve i think. bashed it into a fence post

walpurgis
02-01-2022, 09:18
On Sky Arts just now, there was a documentary called 'The Cavern Club: The Beat Goes On', with an introduction saying "....a favourite haunt of the Beatles that now plays host to stars like Adele". That may be true, but it just shows how values change. The Beatles back then, would have been horrified to have been mentioned in the same breath as anybody like Adele.

guy
02-01-2022, 10:37
I thought the original was knocked down and another built across the road :scratch:

They may have got on with Adele; they were very supportive/friendly to Cilla ?

struth
02-01-2022, 10:47
I thought the original was knocked down and another built across the road :scratch:

They may have got on with Adele; they were very supportive/friendly to Cilla ?

some info


https://www.cavernclub.com/blog-post/cavernhistorymyths/

Macca
02-01-2022, 10:55
I thought the original was knocked down and another built across the road :scratch:

They may have got on with Adele; they were very supportive/friendly to Cilla ?

The new one is on the same side of the road as the old one. There's an empty lot where the old one was, full of aircon vents for the shopping mall next door.

I went to the opening night of the new one. There were no Beatles there and it was packed so did not stay long.

The old Probe Records shop is just a few doors down. That's now a restaurant. I've eaten in there a few times but feels a bit weird knowing what it used to be like.

Then:

https://i.ibb.co/yqsKFCP/probe.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Now:

https://i.ibb.co/Z2S617P/buttom.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

The Disneyfication of Liverpool became chronic some years ago now.

walpurgis
02-01-2022, 11:37
When things go upmarket, they go down in social worth. It's the usual trend.

Pigmy Pony
02-01-2022, 12:29
When things go upmarket, they go down in social worth. It's the usual trend.

Everywhere is designed to have the widest appeal (including "child friendly" FFS) and blandness is the result.

I think a lot of places ask the parents to take away their kiddies by 9pm, but this is too early. I would say 6pm is better, and come 6pm i would enforce this by playing Wayne County and the Electric Chairs' "Fuck Off" on the sound system. At full volume. That'll shift the buggers.

Macca
02-01-2022, 13:14
When things go upmarket, they go down in social worth. It's the usual trend.

Hah that's true - although Probe is still going just in a different location.

Macca
02-01-2022, 13:18
Everywhere is designed to have the widest appeal (including "child friendly" FFS) and blandness is the result.

I think a lot of places ask the parents to take away their kiddies by 9pm, but this is too early. I would say 6pm is better, and come 6pm i would enforce this by playing Wayne County and the Electric Chairs' "Fuck Off" on the sound system. At full volume. That'll shift the buggers.

I think McDonalds run the opposite policy where you not only must have young children with you but also they must be able to scream continuously at very high levels.

guy
02-01-2022, 13:50
some info


https://www.cavernclub.com/blog-post/cavernhistorymyths/

Cheers Grant (and Martin for subsequent post) - very interesting stuff :)

struth
03-01-2022, 10:40
asda delivery there so im all stocked up. never seen so many substitutes especially as i checked it yesterday ... we are soon going to just have a few staples:doh:

Macca
03-01-2022, 12:01
supermarkets have been discontinuing products I like for decades. Try buying some proper frozen American waffles these days. They all used to stock them including Asda which was the last to stop selling them some time back in the early 1990s.

even Amazon don't sell then in their 'American' shop.

I like the Sainsbury iced donuts but go in after 10am and they're sold out. That's always been the case. They have no way to tell how many they would have sold if they put more stock out.


Went into Kwik Save once, only after a couple of things, plain digestive biscuits, tin of tomato soup and I forget what else but it was something totally ubiquitous. Sold out of all three.

All of this was way before pandemic, shortage of drivers, shortage of shipping containers etc etc.

There should be some sort of tagger next to the price card you can swipe your phone on and it tells them 'Yes I would have spent some more money with you if you had the thing I wanted.'

With this ordering on-line thing they just flog you a 'substitute' instead so it's better for them as they still sell you something instead of you walking out empty-handed. No incentive to improve.

With the corner shop I just tell him what I want and he gets it in from the cash and carry. He still can't get proper waffles though.

guy
03-01-2022, 12:11
asda delivery there so im all stocked up. never seen so many substitutes especially as i checked it yesterday ... we are soon going to just have a few staples:doh:

Well that will help with holding it all together :)

struth
03-01-2022, 12:40
boom, boom;)

Pigmy Pony
03-01-2022, 13:37
asda delivery there so im all stocked up. never seen so many substitutes especially as i checked it yesterday ... we are soon going to just have a few staples:doh:

They're a bugger for substitutes - sometimes they're acceptable, but I draw the line at getting Solvol Autosol instead of Colgate :(

Pigmy Pony
03-01-2022, 13:49
supermarkets have been discontinuing products I like for decades. Try buying some proper frozen American waffles these days. They all used to stock them including Asda which was the last to stop selling them some time back in the early 1990s.

even Amazon don't sell then in their 'American' shop.

I like the Sainsbury iced donuts but go in after 10am and they're sold out. That's always been the case. They have no way to tell how many they would have sold if they put more stock out.


Went into Kwik Save once, only after a couple of things, plain digestive biscuits, tin of tomato soup and I forget what else but it was something totally ubiquitous. Sold out of all three.

All of this was way before pandemic, shortage of drivers, shortage of shipping containers etc etc.

There should be some sort of tagger next to the price card you can swipe your phone on and it tells them 'Yes I would have spent some more money with you if you had the thing I wanted.'

With this ordering on-line thing they just flog you a 'substitute' instead so it's better for them as they still sell you something instead of you walking out empty-handed. No incentive to improve.

With the corner shop I just tell him what I want and he gets it in from the cash and carry. He still can't get proper waffles though.

Are Kwik Save still around? They don't deserve to be. I remember their adverts, featuring items at a greatly reduced price, but when I go in they never had any. Probably limited to one tiny store on the outskirts of Burnley which had 2 tins of half price baked beans.

I wonder if the days of the big out-of-town superstores are numbered, and will become warehousing/distribution centres - when only a small percentage of the population can run an ev, because most folk live in a terraced house or block of flats with piss-poor parking and no reliable access to charging points, deliveries will become the norm.

walpurgis
03-01-2022, 14:02
I wonder if the days of the big out-of-town superstores are numbered, and will become warehousing/distribution centres - when only a small percentage of the population can run an ev, because most folk live in a terraced house or block of flats with piss-poor parking and no reliable access to charging points, deliveries will become the norm.

Not to mention the cost of EVs. A small petrol Fiat 500 starts at around £12,500 new, the electric version double that!

struth
03-01-2022, 14:10
start a new political party.. the AG&W party. :eyebrows: (anti green and woke) it might do very well:D

Macca
03-01-2022, 14:15
Are Kwik Save still around? They don't deserve to be. I remember their adverts, featuring items at a greatly reduced price, but when I go in they never had any. Probably limited to one tiny store on the outskirts of Burnley which had 2 tins of half price baked beans.

I wonder if the days of the big out-of-town superstores are numbered, and will become warehousing/distribution centres - when only a small percentage of the population can run an ev, because most folk live in a terraced house or block of flats with piss-poor parking and no reliable access to charging points, deliveries will become the norm.

no there's been no Kwik Save for years. We used to have Co-Op ('Pioneer'), Kwik Save and Iceland. If you want lack of stock that Co-Op was the worst ever, acres of empty shelves. Quite often they'd have no fresh meat at all. It was like living in Soviet Russia. This is years back too when lorry drivers were ten-a-penny.

The Kwik-Save became Lidl and then the idiot Council decided to bulldoze some Grade II listed Art Deco buildings and replace them with a big, ugly tin shed for a Sainsbury, which they justified by saying it would draw people in to the town and revitalise the place. (It didn't).

The crappy Co-Op closed about two months after the Sainsbury opened. It's now a BHF furniture shop.

Recently Iceland closed and the Lidl next door to it expanded into their old building so we now have a massive Lidl. Not been in it though.

I don't think these big supermarkets will close, likewise the retail parks. Whereas I see shopping as chore that has to be done as quickly as possible so I can get back to the telly, for many it seems to be an outing similar to going to Disneyland.

There's lots of people driving about 'going to places' for no other reason than they can't think of anything better to do.

Mikeandvan
03-01-2022, 23:11
supermarkets have been discontinuing products I like for decades. Try buying some proper frozen American waffles these days. They all used to stock them including Asda which was the last to stop selling them some time back in the early 1990s.

even Amazon don't sell then in their 'American' shop.

I like the Sainsbury iced donuts but go in after 10am and they're sold out. That's always been the case. They have no way to tell how many they would have sold if they put more stock out.


Went into Kwik Save once, only after a couple of things, plain digestive biscuits, tin of tomato soup and I forget what else but it was something totally ubiquitous. Sold out of all three.

All of this was way before pandemic, shortage of drivers, shortage of shipping containers etc etc.

There should be some sort of tagger next to the price card you can swipe your phone on and it tells them 'Yes I would have spent some more money with you if you had the thing I wanted.'

With this ordering on-line thing they just flog you a 'substitute' instead so it's better for them as they still sell you something instead of you walking out empty-handed. No incentive to improve.

With the corner shop I just tell him what I want and he gets it in from the cash and carry. He still can't get proper waffles though.
Why not invest in a waffle iron, they must be awesome homemade.

Macca
04-01-2022, 08:37
Too much mess. Besides I liked the frozen ones.

walpurgis
04-01-2022, 08:45
I think I prefer them thawed myself. :)

Anyway, are you talking about the potato ones or the pastry ones?

struth
04-01-2022, 09:51
My central heating is faulty. Will have to phone when I get home.
Had to do it when temp went below freezing doh

Macca
04-01-2022, 10:39
I think I prefer them thawed myself. :)

Anyway, are you talking about the potato ones or the pastry ones?

Pastry.

struth
04-01-2022, 16:24
Pastry.

how about these.. https://www.u-buy.co.uk/product/LK3H1E-kellogg-39-s-eggo-homestyle-waffles-frozen-breakfast-food-made-easy-family-pack-29-6-oz-box-24-count

Macca
04-01-2022, 16:43
out of stock.

They're always out of stock. I stopped bothering to check years ago.

fatmarley
05-01-2022, 09:04
Ask Alexa if she'd like some toast.