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After soome listening this box of doodaas has improved not only timing but soundstage coming from the pc files. I might go for a buffer as well just to see if i can sweeten it an ounce more....hey you never know till you try :eyebrows:
system is punching way above its weight now across the board:dance::baa::barrel:
The sound from these flac files is scary lol. hard to say whats playing now Gary. pi !! ha. this pie tastes good
Got one of these on the way:eyebrows:
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walpurgis
15-04-2015, 11:45
Not tried V3. I've got a couple of the first ones. They work very well.
I had one of the little X-Pre's years ago. For the money (£200) it was a nice sounding unit. Not the last word in impact, but sweet.
Not tried V3. I've got a couple of the first ones.
it got a decent review Geoff so hears hoping i like it. fancied that croft 7 as well but think i will need to sell something first. dunno yet. hmmm!
At great physical expense I bring you my imf s on stands in main system.
Want to see how they perform as the clear out continues.
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walpurgis
16-04-2015, 09:18
How are they sounding?
early days but impressed.. nicer than expected. not as much bass as the kefs but probably a wider soundstage. at least i know they can perform.
They are rather sophisticated actually. really nice with soft jazzy styles. the stands are a bit low but i know know they are worthy contenders. didnt sound good with the t amp.
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The. KEFs are back in and deffinately superior to my ears. an easier load too although the highs are not as good. maybe im just used to them
A couple of high res of the imf s now ive had time to develop them sort of speak
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The system is looking well Grant.
The system is looking well Grant.
Thanks Andrew; they are not bad as back ups, and cabs are in super condition too. Just prefer my Kefs though, and as the kefs are taller and narrower, look better and are the right height for the stands.
walpurgis
16-04-2015, 18:40
These look nice Grant. :lol:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TANNOY-637-TALL-FLOORSTANDING-SPEAKERS-/151650981266?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234f1a5592
These look nice Grant. :lol:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TANNOY-637-TALL-FLOORSTANDING-SPEAKERS-/151650981266?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234f1a5592
Theyve been on for a wee while.. I sent the guy an email but not heard back yet.
Parkie37
16-04-2015, 21:05
Theyve been on for a wee while.. I sent the guy an email but not heard back yet.
Those are nice and definitely a friendly price, but I think that you should put these in your hifi room:
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649184023-tannoy-definition-dc10t-speakers-in-high-gloss-cherry-see-photo/
They shouldn't take over too much, should they? :lol:
Don't think they'd go through the door Don. :D very nice though.
Parkie37
16-04-2015, 21:12
Don't think they'd go through the door Don. :D very nice though.
I was thinking the same thing. Nice looking but holy c*** they are huge! You would need an auditorium to play them in :eek:
Aye, my lounge is the biggest room and its nowhere near big enough for those.
I have replaced the Kef's now and popped the IMF's back into storage. Hard work carrying speakers with one arm lol. Got the missions to pack for the courier next, and hoping to get a box delivered tomorrow... it could feature in Friday's "whats in the box":eyebrows:
walpurgis
16-04-2015, 22:13
Big box or little box?
Big box or little box?
Thaaaaat would be telling, but it's all relative Geoff. :eyebrows: You may have to be banned :D must stop saying "I'm Finished"
walpurgis
16-04-2015, 22:26
You may have to be banned :D
Bad man! :D
...........just from the box quiz :lol:
I am hurting tonight.....dooohhhhh...
The final piece of the flac jigsaw is in place and has as expected softened the extreme highs a fraction. .it probably as good as it gets for me.
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walpurgis
17-04-2015, 19:10
I wondered how you'd get on with that. Have you tried it in the main system with CD (after the DAC)?
No, I used it in the pc chain after the Theta and Alchemy dac. It has cleaned up the top range especially in female voices. Sounding a million dollars now and dare I say out performing the Mona.....oh I cant say it :eyebrows:
walpurgis
17-04-2015, 19:19
The TLC is quite effective isn't it. I've seen comments on the net 'rubbishing' it, but mine definitely adds something to the equation.
The TLC is quite effective isn't it. I've seen comments on the net 'rubbishing' it, but mine definitely adds something to the equation.
Yes, it has with me too. The async is not bad jitter wise but every little helps. I'd say it increases to output a tad too; although that may just be the lack of jitter clearing up the mids.
Well, for now, unless a lovely , and better power amp or set of speakers to beat my kefs come along this is me I think. It is sounding fabulous and looks not too bad either. In the 18 months since I started this blog, I have pretty much changed everything, some more than once (hey, you know how it is) but I feel I have improved everything and tbh the overall cost, TT aside didnt do me too much damage apart from selling all the stuff I didnt need.
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Parkie37
17-04-2015, 23:47
Well, for now, unless a lovely , and better power amp or set of speakers to beat my kefs come along this is me I think. It is sounding fabulous and looks not too bad either. In the 18 months since I started this blog, I have pretty much changed everything, some more than once (hey, you know how it is) but I feel I have improved everything and tbh the overall cost, TT aside didnt do me too much damage apart from selling all the stuff I didnt need.
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The system looks really good now and very organized! What was the Audio Note box that you had before?
hi don..it was an AN dac zero pre production model. it was actually better built than the production models and sounded very nice. i changed may delivery system and this was culled in the process. nice unit though.
As I said I am pretty much finished now :doh: I really must syop saying that :lol:
going to see a set of nice speakers tomorrow fairly local....yummy!
walpurgis
18-04-2015, 16:41
going to see a set of nice speakers tomorrow fairly local....yummy!
What? More? Your getting as bad as me! :lol:
southall-1998
18-04-2015, 17:29
If you like KEF's, Grant...
Perhaps consider the Reference Model One.... http://kef.com/html/gb/explore/about_kef/museum/1990s/Reference_Series_ModelsOn/index.html
Very nice sounding speakers!
S.
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Crackin speakers those Tannoys, wanted a set of the 6 series back in the, I think, late 90's but couldn't afford the big 'uns I wanted.
Sounded really nice.
walpurgis
18-04-2015, 18:07
If those 637s are what you're going to look at, you'll be impressed. Just hope they're on the end of a decent system. :)
Yep, 637's or d70; take your pick. very sought after in the states I believe...here is the specs
Tannoy D70 / 637 Speaker Specifications:
* Design: Design Model Reference 637 - 3-Way Design Employing Dual Concentric Coaxially Mounted Tweeter and Midrange, a Separate Woofer in its Own Chamber, Bi-Wire / Bi-Amp Compatible
* Drivers:
… High frequency: 25mm (1") Tannoy
… Mid frequency: 8” Mid-Woof Tannoy
… Low frequency: 8” Woofer Tannoy
* Frequency response: 40 Hz to 30,000 Hz
* Crossover Frequencies: 1,700 Hz / 400 Hz
* Power handling: 25 – 150W
* Sensitivity: 93 dB (2,83V/1m)
* Nominal Impedance: 6 ohms
* Minimal Impedance: 4 ohms
* Dimensions:
… Height: 32.3” (820 mm)
… Width: 11.3” (286 mm)
… Depth: 10.4” (264 mm)
* Weight: 35.2 lbs ea. ( 16.0 kg.) unpackaged
nice one grant - i have the 632's - the bookshelf variants and although not dual concentric they take some beating i have to say..... Although a pain in the arse to put on stands because of the delta/triangular shape....
Hope you get them...
Chris.
Are they in Glenrothes?
No, Paul there are just up the road from me actually. probably 10 mins drive...:eyebrows:
If you like KEF's, Grant...
Perhaps consider the Reference Model One.... http://kef.com/html/gb/explore/about_kef/museum/1990s/Reference_Series_ModelsOn/index.html
Very nice sounding speakers!
S.
Been looking a a pair of ref kefs Shane, but these Tannoys have hove into view and are local so no risk in shipping.:)
If those 637s are what you're going to look at, you'll be impressed. Just hope they're on the end of a decent system. :)
He seems to be a bit of a audio guy as far as I can tell so think it'll be a decent system. he is going to set them up for me.
nice one grant - i have the 632's - the bookshelf variants and although not dual concentric they take some beating i have to say..... Although a pain in the arse to put on stands because of the delta/triangular shape....
Hope you get them...
Chris.
They are bigger than I initially thought Chris. If I buy em' they will take up residence in my motor till I find a passing sort I can entice to lift 'em :eyebrows:
walpurgis
18-04-2015, 19:06
If you do buy those Grant. Would the seller not pop round and give a hand? If he's a decent sort, I'd have thought so.
If you do buy those Grant. Would the seller not pop round and give a hand? If he's a decent sort, I'd have thought so.
maybe; I will see what I can do.... what would these be like with a super tweeter on top Geoff?
walpurgis
18-04-2015, 19:19
maybe; I will see what I can do.... what would these be like with a super tweeter on top Geoff?
As soon as you hear those, you'll realise that they don't need a super tweeter. I've not measured it, but the top end on that driver seems very extended when listening to it. It's also one of the cleanest I've heard from a Tannoy.
They are bigger than I initially thought Chris. If I buy em' they will take up residence in my motor till I find a passing sort I can entice to lift 'em :eyebrows:
Sort it Monday ;)
brian2957
18-04-2015, 19:30
Yup , me an Gary will give you a hand on Monday Grant . :)
walpurgis
18-04-2015, 19:49
Decent lads there Grant! :thumbsup:
Sort it Monday ;)
Yup , me an Gary will give you a hand on Monday Grant . :)
Cheers lads. If they are in good nick I will probably get 'em tbh.....need to dip into my coffin money :D
walpurgis
18-04-2015, 19:56
I just pinch a bit from the wife's 'departure fund'. :eyebrows:
brian2957
18-04-2015, 20:46
:lol::lol: Love it . Only a couple of old codgers would say something like that . I'll probably be there soon , but no fund yet :lol:
brian2957
18-04-2015, 20:48
Cheers lads. If they are in good nick I will probably get 'em tbh.....need to dip into my coffin money :D
You never know Grant , one of the speakers may just be big enough :lol:
You never know Grant , one of the speakers may just be big enough :lol:
:rfl: Probably be able to make one out of the wood, and have a perspex hood taboot
well i bought the tannoys.. look very good with just a few light marks. drivers in tip top condition..cabs will probably just need a light waxing.
alas they are languishing in the car but should be ok. they are solid lumps
:D:guitar::dance:
They are IN!!
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Need a quick clean and wax
southall-1998
19-04-2015, 14:37
Looking good fatman :D
S.
Looking good fatman :D
S.
I'll heel and hide you to a barn door Shane :ner:
Ok washed dried and waxed. moved into position plugged in and sounding sublime [emoji12]
big soundstage these have...pics to follow.
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brian2957
19-04-2015, 17:07
Looking very nice Grant . I'll see them in the flesh tomorrow :)
Thanks Brian. I'm very pleased with the way they have come up with just a wash and a wax...1 coat was enough. They were looking tired cabs wise. tbh the soapy wash would probably have been enough. dust gets into the grain and dulls them. Not had much chance to listen but the soundstage is huge and clarity is exceptional. (I think) ;)
hope to get a better listen tomorrow. I brought 1 in on a trolley which nearly killed me lol. My neighbour then appeared and did the other. didn't fancy them in the car all night.
Good call re these Geoff ....appreciated.:)
Now we're talking....floorstanders do scale and oomph even at low neighbour friendly volumes. :)
Seeya tommorow Grant, guess we got off light this time?
Mind yer back fella...
Now we're talking....floorstanders do scale and oomph even at low neighbour friendly volumes. :)
Seeya tommorow Grant, guess we got off light this time?
Mind yer back fella...
Oh dear, have I upset someone? :rolleyes:
see you tomorrow; will have the system warmed up:eyebrows:
wiicrackpot
19-04-2015, 18:37
Oh dear, have I upset someone? :rolleyes:
see you tomorrow; will have the system warmed up:eyebrows:
Think you've got the wrong end of the stick, the way i was reading it Gaz was genuinely concerned about the strain on your back carrying them beauties in,
not in a rage and about to settle a score, :) there again you might've known that already and your above post was in jest. :lol:
Lovely speakers BTW, i'd defo take these over your last two speaker flings.
walpurgis
19-04-2015, 18:46
I'll heel and hide you to a barn door Shane :ner:
I'll give you a hand! He's a cheeky git. :lol:
wiicrackpot
19-04-2015, 18:52
I'll give you a hand! He's a cheeky git. :lol:
Aye...Bawjaws needs to be put in his place and respect ya elders. :lolsign:
walpurgis
19-04-2015, 18:52
Good call re these Geoff ....appreciated.:)
Glad you like them Grant. It'll take you a day or two to 'tune in' to what those can do. The vinyl via the MC25FL will come to life and you'll hear deeper into the mix than before. The imaging will be superb too. In fact you'll find the sound hard to fault I reckon. ;)
Course it was in Jest.... ;)
Know we call ourselves the Scottish Mafia but c'mon!
Glad you like them Grant. It'll take you a day or two to 'tune in' to what those can do. The vinyl via the MC25FL will come to life and you'll hear deeper into the mix than before. The imaging will be superb too. In fact you'll find the sound hard to fault I reckon. ;)
Yeh, I aint had the TT on yet, just 2 cd tracks but I think I'll be Larry happy:)
Course it was in Jest.... ;)
Know we call ourselves the Scottish Mafia but c'mon!
....so I can take off the stabproof vest then for now Gary :eyebrows:
Excellent stuff Grant (& I won't remind you again about what you said about the q acoustics :eyebrows:). You won't look back now you've got those.
Excellent stuff Grant (& I won't remind you again about what you said about the q acoustics :eyebrows:). You won't look back now you've got those.
:doh:
Great score there Grant, System now looking proper serious :)
Colleague of mine's husband has some - he has them down the end of a long room with the rest of the system up the other end by his chair but bizzarley he has built another totally separate 2.1 near field system in front of them and no longer uses them. I've made a tentative offer to buy them a couple of times since his mrs wants them gone but no luck as yet.
walpurgis
19-04-2015, 22:26
I've made a tentative offer to buy them a couple of times since his mrs wants them gone but no luck as yet.
Get 'em! :thumbsup:
Great score there Grant, System now looking proper serious :)
Colleague of mine's husband has some - he has them down the end of a long room with the rest of the system up the other end by his chair but bizzarley he has built another totally separate 2.1 near field system in front of them and no longer uses them. I've made a tentative offer to buy them a couple of times since his mrs wants them gone but no luck as yet.
Lol. Just trying to squeeze out more performance as I know its there. it was good b4, but I believe its better by a length or so now. They seem to be pretty solidly built and i believe you can load the bases with sand bags, there is a flap underneath to slip them in, or so I was informed. It is supposed to improve bass response
walpurgis
19-04-2015, 22:44
Lol. Just trying to squeeze out more performance as I know its there. it was good b4, but I believe its better by a length or so now. They seem to be pretty solidly built and i believe you can load the bases with sand bags, there is a flap underneath to slip them in, or so I was informed. It is supposed to improve bass response
Sounds like a pair of naughty knickers! :D
Sounds like a pair of naughty knickers! :D
Would certainly improve bottom end then....make it more up front :lol:
Some extended listening now and can say system is sounding great...my flac is outperforming the vinyl...lol.. hey stop shooting at me:eek:
Gary and Brian preferred the vinyl....:eyebrows:
actually the vinyl has taken on a new subtlety with astounding detail but the richness of the flac has intrigued me somewhat.... a pi! nah...itll have to go some to beat this:D
here is a question..can a better set of speakers enhance tics and crackle on vinyl coz a record i play had some ive never heard b4
walpurgis
20-04-2015, 11:59
Possibly I reckon. I'm thinking you'll probably hear rather more of everything via the Tannoys, clicks and all. Is your stylus clean by the way?
I am gonnaaclean it and record and try again. if still there will check allignment etc. as you say it may just be revealation of good n bad.
brian2957
20-04-2015, 14:17
Thanks for having us over Grant , and for the loan of some gear and the excellent advice . I was quite taken with the big Tannoys . Massive soundstage and oodles of detail . They seem to have slotted into your system very successfully . Yes , I really did like the vynil replay and didn't think that the record noise was that bad . Maybe I was just listening to the wonderful music :)
Sorry it was only a short visit . I was nightshift last night and ma cot was calling me . Bit of a bargain those Tannoys mate :D
Amen brother.
Systems sounding the best I've heard it Grant, nice one.
New cart is extremely nice.
Guess what, big parcel delivered to my neighbour when I was out...Densen's back from hospital. :)
Thanks for having us over Grant , and for the loan of some gear and the excellent advice . I was quite taken with the big Tannoys . Massive soundstage and oodles of detail . They seem to have slotted into your system very successfully . Yes , I really did like the vynil replay and didn't think that the record noise was that bad . Maybe I was just listening to the wonderful music :)
Sorry it was only a short visit . I was nightshift last night and ma cot was calling me . Bit of a bargain those Tannoys mate :D
nae bother..youll have those speaks sparkling in no time.
Amen brother.
Systems sounding the best I've heard it Grant, nice one.
New cart is extremely nice.
Guess what, big parcel delivered to my neighbour when I was out...Densen's back from hospital. :)
denson has arrived whoopsee! will be getting some pics soon i hope with your shiny front and knob..:eyebrows:
meant to get u to look at my jriver :doh: although i was tinkering there and got it to find a new driver for the async and its sounding better now so might have cured something.
ps my internet radio no longer works with my new broadband...must be a different system the fibre. dunno but it. just times out. bugger!!
Course it was in Jest.... ;)
Know we call ourselves the Scottish Mafia but c'mon!
Fortunately my stab vest survived the onslaut of Gary,s key attack:eyebrows: imagine attacking your godfather:lol:
He did escape with the klotz though.
got Paul Simon belti!g it out currently and these things can produce a heck of bass when theyre asked.. not sure mypower amp is up to it:eek:
wiicrackpot
21-04-2015, 11:18
got Paul Simon belti!g it out currently and these things can produce a heck of bass when theyre asked.. not sure mypower amp is up to it:eek:
These sounds like keepers Grant, well done on your find, :cool:
must admit, when i dropped the arm off i had to take a double take on your power amp,never came across that make before.
Don't know if you are looking for a replacement, if you are, check out the Pulse Audio SRA-160 USB i've been having a play with the last two weeks,
did away with my MC2 Audio MC750 as i hurt my knee moving the flicking thing (22kg) dressing cables,getting old you see, :(
anyway, this thing is pretty good and sounds real powerful,built in tuner and USB and headphone jack and only weigh 7kg,
remote control too,really flexible bit of kit for the throwaway once it breaks price of £88.00 from Farnells,
only one draw back is the slight background noise, audible when near the speakers when changing lp/cd,
not volume dependent so it's there but not heard once music starts, there again my speakers are 95db sensitivity or so.
I will run them for a while then put the kefs back and see if i feel any love for the latter. I suspect the kefs may beguile me again...dunno what they have but i do like the noise they make.
really need to try another good power amp first for comparison. the Atoll 80 is very good and well regarded in France. looked at pulse Andy..they do a 120 watt power amp cheaply enough
wiicrackpot
21-04-2015, 11:37
Good idea, play it for a wee while and backtrack to see if it's a real improvement or just a rash fling.
Jeez !!!..you're quick of the mark, i didn't know they did a power amp version,i just want it simple now, looking at your rig with all those boxes,
while it sounds the biz but i just can't be bothered with all that pallaver again.
dunno why I bother either Andy....guess its the challenge of getting it right within a budget.
Been checking the cart measurments and have found it to have been out as I suspected. Have redone from scratch and it is sounding better. reset vtf too to 1.95 gm. sounding smoother. still a little noise on track one but it may just be there and these more efficient speakers are showing up the warts.
Also, removed the Eichman's from the speakers and feel bass is tighter without em.
close up of cart for porn merchants :eyebrows:
vinyl back to being top dog ;)
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wiicrackpot
21-04-2015, 13:18
But Hats of to you though for the huge effort in furthering the art with your health issues,
with me it's just total lack of motivation,shit job,shit life,shit home and plain laziness,
i can't blame lack of time as i've gone part time to ease my repetitive strain injury but just doesn't want to do anything.:(
p.s. Nice cart that, are you using a wide angle lens to take the photo?.
But Hats of to you though for the huge effort in furthering the art with your health issues,
with me it's just total lack of motivation,shit job,shit life,shit home and plain laziness,
i can't blame lack of time as i've gone part time to ease my repetitive strain injury but just doesn't want to do anything.:(
p.s. Nice cart that, are you using a wide angle lens to take the photo?.
Used fisheye. thought itvwould give an interesting shot.:lol:
I know how lack of motivation affects you when your down. The only thing you can do is find something that doesnt impact on you condition and sieze it by the throat.:)
and then boot it in the goolies... :)
a bit of arty with the new system
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walpurgis
21-04-2015, 16:14
really need to try another good power amp first for comparison.
You need valves or Class A solid state to suit the Tannoys best Grant. I've tried every other type with them and always end up going back. The only exception I can think of might be an upper range Creek amp, they have the clean, smoothness required.
Shoddy... :)
Your right mate...I'll bin the lot and start again :rolleyes:
You need valves or Class A solid state to suit the Tannoys best Grant. I've tried every other type with them and always end up going back. The only exception I can think of might be an upper range Creek amp, they have the clean, smoothness required.
Yep, that or a couple of monos maybe? Was looking at a couple of rotel powers that can be bridged into monos. would give plenty of power and headroom. dunno about smooth. Class AB might work too. Not convinced about the Atoll's ability to deliver the base freq that these speakers want.
walpurgis
21-04-2015, 17:18
Yep, that or a couple of monos maybe? Was looking at a couple of rotel powers that can be bridged into monos. would give plenty of power and headroom. dunno about smooth. Class AB might work too. Not convinced about the Atoll's ability to deliver the base freq that these speakers want.
That's what I was getting at basically Grant. The Rotels would be A/B and having used literally dozens of A/B amps through Tannoys, I've never found them quite the right thing to my ears.
I don't know the power output of your Atoll, but my little 25 watt Class A, Monarchy Audio SM-70 Pro power amp sounds just fine with various Tannoys. More than enough power, bags of grip and punch and sooo clean. Similar case with my Classic Tubes EL34 monoblocks and these only have 15 watts per amp. More than enough.
Those kit monos I saw might drive them...dunno. might be shy a bit. Just have to keep a lookin' ...tbh dont see much A class decent stuff going plus it runs pretty hot for in a rack.
walpurgis
21-04-2015, 17:41
That's true. There seems less in the way of decent amps about lately.
My SS Class A power amps are used in a rack below other gear without problems. I just allow a few inches of 'breathing space' above them and don't put stuff directly on top of them. They do get pretty warm, but you'd not burn yourself on them. Unlike the valves.
There's an old saying (or did I just make it up) 'Tannoys work well with a Krell' :eyebrows:
There's an old saying (or did I just make it up) 'Tannoys work well with a Krell' :eyebrows:
Do you think I'm made of Krells?:eyebrows:
walpurgis
21-04-2015, 18:34
Here you go:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-KRELL-AUDIO-STANDARD-2-CHASSIS-MONOBLOCK-POWER-AMPLIFIERS-/291424734731?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43da448e0b
Job done! :thumbsup:
I've asked him if he has another set for upstairs, their so reasonable :rfl:
The most expensive on ebay at the moment...
Sort of thing I had in mind -
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?33045-FS-Krell-KAV-250a-Power-Amplifier-(250wpc)
Grant, this Marantz PM-64 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/amplifiers/marantz-pm-64/1110810964) in Dundee delivers the first 13w in Class A if memory serves. Might be just the job at £160.
Grant, this Marantz PM-64 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/amplifiers/marantz-pm-64/1110810964) in Dundee delivers the first 13w in Class A if memory serves. Might be just the job at £160.
cheers paul, i have put it in my favs. was looking on GT as well and might have found something....but maybe not lol. I vaguely remember those amps and were pretty good
:eek:http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/petrat56/HiFi%20sales%20-April%2015/HiFi%20sale%20April%2015%20005_zpsz3cebqzt.jpg:eek :
:guitar:
vinylspinner
23-04-2015, 06:40
Hi Grant,
These are very good little amps and punch well above their price point, a few of us here have had one of these at some point, wish I had kept mine tbh.
Enjoy your new toy.
Nigel
Well that's a nice WAD Grant.
Nice amp, my mate has the integrated.
Well that's a nice WAD Grant.
Nice amp, my mate has the integrated.
cost me nice wad too:lol:...gonna be getting buried in fruit box shortly:eek:
After a few days of dual concentric sounds, I am back to Kef black magic :eyebrows: ...Its a different presentation altogether, but,...you know I think I strangely enough prefer it. Odd I know, but the Kefs are so sweet sounding. :doh:
problems, problems! ...ah well, new power amp arriving tomorrow hopefully so will give it a try with both, and possibly also with the clone pre over the weekend . Kefs are 90db so should work ok as they are 8 ohm, and although the tannoys are 91db, are 6 ohm. If nothing else it will be fun and interesting; that is if I can get the pain away. Done too much today again.
walpurgis
23-04-2015, 18:59
I'll look forward to hearing what you make of EL84 amplification. I'm anticipating it'll be a lot punchier than you expect. Both the KEFs and the Tannoys are likely to sound good with the new amp.
I'll look forward to hearing what you make of EL84 amplification. I'm anticipating it'll be a lot punchier than you expect. Both the KEFs and the Tannoys are likely to sound good with the new amp.
Will Do Geoff. It will be interesting. My system may deserve to be moved to point down the room rather than across as it may be a tad lacking in depth for the bigger speakers. Something I have been toying with for some time, but it would mean a lot of work and may not achieve the results. Room is a fair bit longer than in breadth
Firing down the room with a bit of space behind the speakers and a bit behind the listening position. Especially with a big speaker. You get that depth of soundstage that some people attribute to the amplifier.... Firing across the width is for the birds ;)
Those Tannoys will need current, not watts I reckon.
brian2957
24-04-2015, 07:58
Will Do Geoff. It will be interesting. My system may deserve to be moved to point down the room rather than across as it may be a tad lacking in depth for the bigger speakers. Something I have been toying with for some time, but it would mean a lot of work and may not achieve the results. Room is a fair bit longer than in breadth
Just give us a shout Grant . I'm away next week but available for a bit of furniture rearranging and system rewiring whenever you like after that. :)
Having been in your room a couple of times I think that this may be a good move . Worth a try and we can always put it back the way it was if you're not happy .
Ali Tait
24-04-2015, 08:05
Nice amp indeed Grant, I have an integrated tucked away in my valve amp stash. Well worth upgrading some of the parts if not already done.
Just give us a shout Grant . I'm away next week but available for a bit of furniture rearranging and system rewiring whenever you like after that. :)
Having been in your room a couple of times I think that this may be a good move . Worth a try and we can always put it back the way it was if you're not happy .
thanks Brian. yes was thinking about maybe diagonally to get the best angle.
Nice amp indeed Grant, I have an integrated tucked away in my valve amp stash. Well worth upgrading some of the parts if not already done.
ali its had a wad upgrade with caps changed and has upgraded valves so a lot of thats been done fortunately. going to try and get it as far away as i can from the signals i think by putting it on the other rack if ness.
Firing down the room with a bit of space behind the speakers and a bit behind the listening position. Especially with a big speaker. You get that depth of soundstage that some people attribute to the amplifier.... Firing across the width is for the birds ;)
Those Tannoys will need current, not watts I reckon.
you reckon i might pull if i leave it:eyebrows:
as said I put the Kefs back in last night.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/abc296303fd6dda82a62955dae3efefe.jpg
New wad power arrived in nice condition. now installed in same slot for now.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/a4c74235ddf3ce8dec66166189eed529.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/3c1e410e76e4885b35263036ed22e1d5.jpg
Sounding very nice. Got Frankie boy chanting out the toons on vinyl at moment. Handling the kef speakers fine. Base is there and tight. That Sinatra voice is perfect in tone and nuance. Slight overall background hum when nothing is playing but about normal for a valve power and nothing more than others I've used.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/54d2139ba06e1fdee4a1f2a2a142e81a.jpg
Biggest valve tips have an inch plus clearance so should be fine.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/866b447c739509491717d18d8a699e8a.jpg
walpurgis
24-04-2015, 11:28
I'm sure you know this, but If you've got a bit of low level hum Grant, make sure all signal leads are as far away from the power amp and mains leads as possible and of course use screened leads. Are you using the Nakamichi pre-amp with it? If so it may help to move it further away as it's directly above the power amp mains transformer.
I'm waiting to hear what you make of it once the Tannoys are hooked up. I reckon the whole thing will come to life (not that it hasn't anyway :)).
I recall reading that the 637s benefit from being a few inches off the deck by the way.
Ali Tait
24-04-2015, 11:44
ali its had a wad upgrade with caps changed and has upgraded valves so a lot of thats been done fortunately. going to try and get it as far away as i can from the signals i think by putting it on the other rack if ness.
Worth checking what the coupling caps are Grant, this amp responds well to decent ones.
Thanks geoff. yep there will be some changes afoot once i can assemble the troops:eyebrows:
...think i will move everything and rewire etc. if you have any of that interconnect cable left i will get you to make me a longish one. 5 foot or so as think i will move the wad over to where the cd player is and visavee ..the optic cable from cd to dip is long enough to handle it. benn rubbing a little high grade oil into the brushed ali facia as there was an annoying rub mark in middle. a very light oil often clears it
sounds very controlled with some difficult Simon stuff as well while keeping guitar and vocals true. obviously imaging and soundstage is reduced with the kefs but i was getting reverb with the tannoys causing ornaments to vibrate ever so slightly as they are in line of fire at moment. they wont be once room fettled. Might add some sound absorbers if needed in any dodgy places. got some lines on stuff.
You can just see mark at this angle but was more obvious straight on
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/1526a174857c524572b39e12379b6beb.jpg
And after very light oiling twice
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/65e34da14eb0b88c1797874485727495.jpg
Worth checking what the coupling caps are Grant, this amp responds well to decent ones.
will look into it Ali. ad said Jensen and black gate caps fitted
Ali Tait
24-04-2015, 12:11
Ok, assuming the Jensens are the coupling caps, check to see if they are ok.
cost me nice wad too[emoji38]...gonna be getting buried in fruit box shortly:eek:
Lp12 won't be big enough lol
Ok, assuming the Jensens are the coupling caps, check to see if they are ok.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/b2961cb74a4a53b38b79148d7a07a2a8.jpg
inside shot
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/f739f9f474b7bb7875049ac79517d4f5.jpg
the gold ones are the jensen couplings by the looks.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/5475687d0ada93fed367d2386a6bb25b.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/013684fe5c10824666fb3761f089b899.jpg
Looking good. Sounding good. Pleased as punch after a session on the bevvy lol!
will get around to putting the Tannoys in when my pain desists.
Glad it worked out, Grant.
Cleans up well, too ... if ever you're down my way, I have lots and lots of other stuff you could clean too :)
Ali Tait
24-04-2015, 15:03
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/b2961cb74a4a53b38b79148d7a07a2a8.jpg
inside shot
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/f739f9f474b7bb7875049ac79517d4f5.jpg
the gold ones are the jensen couplings by the looks.
Yep dat's dem, though it's still got the original orange drop caps on the input stage by the looks, be worth changing these IMHO.
need to find out wat to put in Ali. any thoughts?. next time it gets opened it can then be done. one of the rca s needs tightened anyways
cheers g
Ali Tait
24-04-2015, 15:36
Clarity Cap MR would be a good choice at a non daft price. SCR teflons if spending a bit more.
I'd maybe look at changing that diode bridge for something better as well.
Clarity Cap MR would be a good choice at a non daft price. SCR teflons if spending a bit more.
I'd maybe look at changing that diode bridge for something better as well.
Any idea of the values of those caps.?
Firebottle
24-04-2015, 18:50
The orange drops usually have the value marked with three numbers.
The last number is a 'multiplier' that gives the decade or x10, x100, x1000 etc.
For example if the cap is marked 104 that means 10(0000) which is the value in picofarad. It is a little confusing if you are not familiar with it. 100000 pF is 100 nano Farad or 0.1 micro Farad.
104 is 100 nano Farad
224 is 220 nano Farad
474 is 470 nano Farad
105 is 1 micro Farad
Hope this helps, Alan
Cheers Alan; I will need to pop the hood and tighten that rca before it fall off, and will check them then. Needing to do likewise with the firebottle as well to change the valves and see it it is that, that's making the noise. was doing it in idle out of the right channel only today. nothing much but you get a little putt every few seconds. Very odd and only seems to be on that side. might not be but its an easy swap n check.
vinylspinner
24-04-2015, 19:37
Hi Grant,
The KEL84 is normally a very quiet amp, may be worth checking any smps that are close by, it may be picking that hum up from them, I had a similar issue years back, unplugged the wall wart powering another item and the hum stopped, just a thought.
Nigel
For what it's worth, I've got the integrated version of this with no background hum that I've noticed.
For what it's worth, I've got the integrated version of this with no background hum that I've noticed.
The hum is minor tbh and if and when I move some things around it will likely go away or reduce. it is not much at all and my pre may probably picking be up something from its tx's as they are a little close.
Brigadoon
24-04-2015, 21:24
'Strewth Grant, that's some high quality system you've got there ��
I'm curious about the stairgate - a new kind of DIY bass diffuser? ��
Seriously, I am in awe....I would love to hear it
Thanks Barry; I think its pretty decent for lowly me:lol: The gate is a throwback tbh that I should take down but have just left it. It still comes in handy as a clothes drier :lol:
Ali Tait
25-04-2015, 12:18
Any idea of the values of those caps.?
0.47uf I think from memory Grant. I have the build scheme somewhere, will check. Can scan and email to you if you like.
0.47uf I think from memory Grant. I have the build scheme somewhere, will check. Can scan and email to you if you like.
looks like it Ali.. part of the voltage dropper and decoupling network for the screen grid
Ali Tait
25-04-2015, 12:38
Go for these Grant, very good imho and what I use in my phono stage-
http://www.hificollective.co.uk/catalog/zn630040-047uf-630v-polypropylene-capacitor-p-1157.html
cheers ali..ordered 2...not a bad price compared to the clarity mr's
After getting some roughness in the bass on my vinyl set up that ive not heard before (today only)and a number of times over the last few weeks(alan of firebottle sent me 2 valves to do this) i have open the phono up and changed 2 of the 3 valves. didnt have a replacement for the 3rd one which looks like an ecf80.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/27/6fcfcd3e3f1234366a9a307e2ef63056.jpg
So reconnected hood of for now and so far the light farting noise for a better description seems to have gone ...
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/27/dd1b55e35e18d42269837af44adb455a.jpg
Also tried a different cart. A mm one and roughness is still there on the recording of Louis and Ella.
So this must be the wad power amp revealing a poor mastering of the recording that my S's power amp didn't. Got diana krall on and it's clear although not as deep a recording.
Need to get the hood on agin as it's picking up some strays.
Cart back to mc reset etc sounding lovely.
Think the 2 valves were not at their best as it sounds to have better articulation now
southall-1998
27-04-2015, 12:18
Just don't get a Sugden. Shit recordings will be spat right back at yer...:eyebrows:
S.
Lol. Yes I've heard them to be critical as are there cd players.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/27/021ba1124e1f13e7b51fb17b800de26e.jpg
As Promised Geoff I have popped the t annoys back in to retry with the new amp. Bass appears better although just a bit low in every sense of the word. They seem to perfer being way out from walls too
In a line with the kefs I need about 8 inches .. (don't we all I here echoing across) :eyebrows: ....of a step up. milk crates may well be the answer... got the cohen on again...oooh it boogies:D
might add it is snowing here:doh:
walpurgis
27-04-2015, 15:18
Looking good Grant.
Yes, try getting the Tannoys off the deck a bit. I reckon it will change things for the better. Drop by the pub/offy and scrounge a couple of tough plastic beer or wine bottle crates.
(not surprised it's bloody snowing, just south of the Arctic circle up there :lol:)
A better pic.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/27/a59e79bdd9dd0487fde50d05a87d8485.jpg
a tarted up widescreen version courtesy of canon and snapseed. their new app is very good by the way
edit: dont mind the white bits, its just light shining off the silly foam I sprayed the speaker drivers with :eyebrows:
Looking good Grant. A couple of bricks side by side under each may do as good a job as crates although not providing the height.
The Tannoy will definitely benefit from the proposed axis shift in your room. I'd say a good two feet away from walls.
walpurgis
27-04-2015, 15:36
I'm tempted to start my own walpurgis system thread you know Grant. Trouble is if anybody saw my 'den' at the moment, they'd fall about laughing, 'cos I've got way too much clutter. So much in fact, that I can't reach the Hi-Fi on the other side of the room currently. :rolleyes:
(now I know how Audio Al must feel) (He's been suspiciously quiet lately)
southall-1998
27-04-2015, 16:01
I'm tempted to start my own walpurgis system thread you know Grant. Trouble is if anybody saw my 'den' at the moment, they'd fall about laughing, 'cos I've got way too much clutter. So much in fact, that I can't reach the Hi-Fi on the other side of the room currently. :rolleyes:
(now I know how Audio Al must feel) (He's been suspiciously quiet lately)
Starting your own system thread is a good idea IMO!
S.
I'm tempted to start my own walpurgis system thread you know Grant. Trouble is if anybody saw my 'den' at the moment, they'd fall about laughing, 'cos I've got way too much clutter. So much in fact, that I can't reach the Hi-Fi on the other side of the room currently. :rolleyes:
(now I know how Audio Al must feel) (He's been suspiciously quiet lately)
na, people love overcrowded with gear man caves Geoff. get it up and rolling....might pur you into sorting it all out and reclaiming your listening space.
I for one would love to see it Geoff. Get it done!
Looking good Grant. A couple of bricks side by side under each may do as good a job as crates although not providing the height.
The Tannoy will definitely benefit from the proposed axis shift in your room. I'd say a good two feet away from walls.
I would agree Andrew. 2 foot per side if possible would be great... not sure my wall is long enough :eyebrows: might be if I move the gear over to the window wall though. Problem there is a radiator.
Made up a stand for one speaker to try. Got the makings of another if it sounds ok
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/28/d3a64247d3142686a979fe1957d80add.jpg
I have damping material I can use for the glass as it's not ideal.
Ali Tait
28-04-2015, 10:15
cheers ali..ordered 2...not a bad price compared to the clarity mr's
Aye, thay are cheap and very good IMHO.
Ali Tait
28-04-2015, 10:17
After getting some roughness in the bass on my vinyl set up that ive not heard before (today only)and a number of times over the last few weeks(alan of firebottle sent me 2 valves to do this) i have open the phono up and changed 2 of the 3 valves. didnt have a replacement for the 3rd one which looks like an ecf80.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/27/6fcfcd3e3f1234366a9a307e2ef63056.jpg
So reconnected hood of for now and so far the light farting noise for a better description seems to have gone ...
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/27/dd1b55e35e18d42269837af44adb455a.jpg
Also tried a different cart. A mm one and roughness is still there on the recording of Louis and Ella.
So this must be the wad power amp revealing a poor mastering of the recording that my S's power amp didn't. Got diana krall on and it's clear although not as deep a recording.
Need to get the hood on agin as it's picking up some strays.
Cart back to mc reset etc sounding lovely.
Think the 2 valves were not at their best as it sounds to have better articulation now
Grant,
After being through some listening tests with Alan, it's well worth changing the caps in the phono for something better, like the Zn's..
Grant,
After being through some listening tests with Alan, it's well worth changing the caps in the phono for something better, like the Zn's..
Been thinking on this for my own Firebottle too, though not sure if Alan's new 2 boxer would be a step up even from that?
might be a step too far for my shakey hands and failing eyesight trying that with point to point soldering.
got both stands made and fitted
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/28/e429c4c504d94be64cfba91bb3d2492c.jpg
soundtesting now.
walpurgis
28-04-2015, 10:37
You go steady with that lifting Grant. ;)
doing no more Geoff.
sound is airier and bass is more controlled so far....
Ali Tait
28-04-2015, 11:03
might be a step too far for my shakey hands and failing eyesight trying that with point to point soldering.
Will do it for you (and Gaz) if you wish.
Gary, as it stands, the new two boxer should be as good as mine assuming the same parts are fitted.
Will do it for you (and Gaz) if you wish.
Gary, as it stands, the new two boxer should be as good as mine assuming the same parts are fitted.
cheers mate...will take you up on that. if anyones ordering caps get me some please
edit..those ones for the wad have just arrived
Picked up a couple of monoblocks today...may be crap and may be good. they are stereo blocks with a bridged mono button. i take it in bridge mode you use the red connection for both interconnect and speakers ? or not.
Parkie37
28-04-2015, 14:01
Picked up a couple of monoblocks today...may be crap and may be good. they are stereo blocks with a bridged mono button. i take it in bridge mode you use the red connection for both interconnect and speakers ? or not.
Grant, your system is looking great. I bet it sounding much improved as well. Look forward to hearing your impression of how it sounds firing down the length of the room. Let the guys help move it though! Shame I'm 5000 miles away...I would happily chip in and help if I was nearby.
Thanks Don. These stands I made have lightened the bass and made things a bit airier. got Frankieboy on and he really feels close bye rather than on a record through speakers. A benefit will be had running down the room though. speakers will probably be able to be spaced further apart
Grant,
Brian's off on holibags for a week, when he's back him and I will pop over and do the shifting if you want to switch things around.
Reckon firing down the long length of the room will suit the Tannoys better.
Another thought might be to put the system on the opposite wall, no doors n such, so can spread the speakers out a bit further?
*edit*
Can't remember if you have a gas fire on that wall though!
aye fire and a huge chimney breast.. no rush on this Gary. its sounding very good for me now that they are off the ground as i dont like lots of bass frequency hitting me now. going to put some deadning foam between the 2 sheets of glass on each stand. that will improve things again I reckon. felt a single sheet might be chancing things a bit as they are fairly heavy.
gonna play with these monoblock i got. they were for someone else tbh but if they are any good i might keep em lol. look good if nothing else:D
walpurgis
28-04-2015, 17:24
gonna play with these monoblock i got.
What are they Grant?
What are they Grant?
cant remember the name at moment actually. nothing that anyones ever likely to have heard of lol. actually they were for a little system the boy wanted but think he has changed his mind:doh: so looks like I'm stuck with them ...300 w bridged to 4ohms
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzQ2WDEwMDA=/z/-4YAAOxypNtSe4a9/$T2eC16RHJHUFFivDsob8BSe4,9mP1!~~60_57.JPG
walpurgis
28-04-2015, 18:06
I don't know what they are, but they look interesting. Class D?
I don't know what they are, but they look interesting. Class D?
dont know tbh but I assume so.....found the name...proart. Nice cases if nowt else Geoff.and decent weight too. need to give them a go maybe tomorrow. Just took them out of the boxes to check. brand spankers but they are 220 volt. if i'm keeping then a spot of fettling will be in order. They may surprise and be very good
Found the front pic I have http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzQ2WDEwMDA=/z/NxYAAOxyzi9Se4al/$(KGrHqYOKpMFJzd!6-rjBSe4,lLHV!~~60_57.JPG
Firebottle
28-04-2015, 20:42
Looks like these same amplifiers have been used in jukeboxes:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Used-Proart-mono-block-amplifier-PP-7160-Amp-Ex-Jukebox-Working-Free-P-P/321734744714?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D30110%26meid%3D04a8a152d14749c2b6e44ad4352f e558%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D251 551060195
Interesting to hear what you make of them Grant,
:) Alan
Will do Alan. I'll initially try them in shed system. If they are any good I might bring em in doors. they would be fine in main system as it is supplied at 230v
ok, ive been trying out the monoblocks that i got for a project now deceased[emoji38] I used my tannoy e11 speakers connected via Van Damme UP LCOFC. 6mm full defination cable.
First i tried a single proart in stereo mode. powered up and a few adjustments to the tone controls and i was getting a reasonable sound out of it tbh. Fan is a little noisy when close and no music playing.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/326195e26d85493c247eafda0c386a44.jpg
Heartened by this I did the 2 of them in mono mode. ea h has a button to set this on back. Interconnect from cd player straight into the amps both using the red socket. Same with speakers ..both speaker cables using the 2 red sockets allowing the opposite phase to produce double output.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/d950c81a354e4e6d4931fbfb6f8d7fa2.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/4e968210e3b22d11e4d2622a359fbe4a.jpg
Boy it sounds rather good. lots of definition and bass and goes fairly loud before distortion happens in the small shed.could feel bass waves through the floor actually:eyebrows:
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/227e5c42328dc84d29817fbf19a9c65e.jpg
Fan noise is alas doubled and would be a problem for some. I dare say a quieter fan system could be obtained and may look into this. surly these have to be a bit of a bargain though for the outlay. I reckon the cases would probably cost what i paid if bought seperately.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/7b7507bf9e0fbd6a3a1cd7528b1729f5.jpg
Not opened one yet but assuming they are class d chip amps. will be interesting to try with a preamp. if successful it would allow for each block to be placed behind a speaker thus negating much of the fan noise...an extra bit of fun to look forward to:eyebrows:
All in i am quite impressed with them. musical definately...queen and lynyard skynyard both sounded excellent through the tannoys.
was going to insert pics but tapatalk wolk connect to server for me. hoping it is just them and not me
ah its back! pics now added
walpurgis
30-04-2015, 16:07
How's the main rig sounding now Grant?
Not bad Geoff.... I have added a couple of lengths of acoustic foam down the sides of the racks closest to the speakers to reduce resonances further. it seems to have had an effect too. also 2 pieces between the speakers and the stands, and they have had a big effect. they just lie in the gap between the speaker and glass stand as they are on very small feet. Opera have screwed with the browser again so have been migrating to Maxthon. I am nearly there now and have to say its the fastest I have ever used.
I also need to move the valve power as the shelf above is too close and getting too hot for my liking I will swap it out with the cd player on the other, glass rack. its a bit taller slot and being glass wont burn. Just have to get a 2 m interconnect do suffice it properly, but in mean time I might just get away with a 1 m one. I will get on to it over weekend pain allowing..
walpurgis
30-04-2015, 16:39
Yeah. It's always best to give valve amps a bit of breathing space.
I tried Opera a couple of times and didn't get on with it. Maxthon is good, so is Avant. Both are I.E. derived I believe. I've been using Comodo Dragon for the last year or two. It's Chrome based and works nicely. Had no issues.
I keep a few sets of good RCA cable joiners handy for experimenting with longer cable runs, joining pairs as a temporary fix. It works OK.
Brigadoon
30-04-2015, 21:32
Grant I'm loving those ProArts - theres something pure in their purposeful build. Ive always hankered to try the monoblock route - I'm sure I will at some stage.
Without being too personal (and please tell me to mind my own busness if I am), what pain??
Oh numerous things but my left hip is a write off so have to be careful what I try to do, or pay the penalty Barry.
Yes the monos look quite good, and sound not bad either. gonna tinker about with them when opportunity arises. sure a quieter fan could be found, but if not there are other ways round it I guess. TBH they were pretty cheap so nothing much lost and I have heard worse costing a fair bit more; these are pretty flexible and might well improve with a pre on the end.
Brigadoon
30-04-2015, 22:32
Pain's part of my life too - spine & knee damage.
But as long as I can lift a glass of Scotland's finest to my lips, I'm smiling :)
I once played a gig that called for lots of headroom on the amps so I ran a dual mono system. Waiting for things to get going, and to warm the amps up i was playing some Linda Ronstadt & Nelson Riddle. I came into the hall, walking toward the stage, and was gobsmacked at the naturalness, detail and musical presence of this disco rig... It was good kit playing, but still - i almost burst into Audiophilanese :lol:. Id be keen to exhibit at Scalford using all pro audio kit for a laugh...
Pain's part of my life too - spine & knee damage.
But as long as I can lift a glass of Scotland's finest to my lips, I'm smiling :)
I once played a gig that called for lots of headroom on the amps so I ran a dual mono system. Waiting for things to get going, and to warm the amps up i was playing some Linda Ronstadt & Nelson Riddle. I came into the hall, walking toward the stage, and was gobsmacked at the naturalness, detail and musical presence of this disco rig... It was good kit playing, but still - i almost burst into Audiophilanese :lol:. Id be keen to exhibit at Scalford using all pro audio kit for a laugh...
It would be a great idea and may well surprise many a folk. I know Andy(wiicrackpot) of this parish is now using a pro amp and loves it.
A pic of the acoustic foam used to block resonant waves from speaker affecting the amps.double thick and attached via those velcro hooks
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wiicrackpot
01-05-2015, 12:10
It would be a great idea and may well surprise many a folk. I know Andy(wiicrackpot) of this parish is now using a pro amp and loves it.
Ayup !! Grant and never been happier,everything Barry described and not wanting for anything,
just glad i have wised up after years of up/side grades chasing ''this year's models''. :doh:
Edit: Especially when you need grip to hold those big drivered Pro Monitor speakers like my Urei's and JBL's and such like.
Ayup !! Grant and never been happier,everything Barry described and not wanting for anything,
just glad i have wised up after years of up/side grades chasing ''this year's models''. :doh:
Edit: Especially when you need grip to hold those big drivered Pro Monitor speakers like my Urei's and JBL's and such like.
I was gonna get the power amp version if yours but ended up with the proarts Andy.
Lots if pain now doh... moved the power over to other rack. Found a lead long enough to do for now...think its a Gotham
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a bit dark that one and the app on phone is misbehaving so sent it to tablet for clean up.
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Now the Tannoys are up off the ground Grant, what's your thoughts on 'em compared to the Kef's?
Now the Tannoys are up off the ground Grant, what's your thoughts on 'em compared to the Kef's?
not as sweet sounding to me but better imaging and depth ....bass is more solid but less obvious at same time. ornaments behaving now lol.
tried the monos with the clone pre and it sounded very good..no problems that i could see or hear. want to try with better speakers in a bigger room next.
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Sad news! ...the wad power amp has developed a fault....:doh: was having a listen after the short move and thought, that doesnt sound right!
..a definate roughness in the right channel....not a happy chappy!
at least i think its the wad?
walpurgis
01-05-2015, 16:07
Check cable connections and rock each valve in its seat a bit.
You can switch valves over to from one side to the other to see if there's one playing up.
not as sweet sounding to me but better imaging and depth ....bass is more solid but less obvious at same time. ornaments behaving now lol.
tried the monos with the clone pre and it sounded very good..no problems that i could see or hear. want to try with better speakers in a bigger room next.
Know someone with a pretty decent pre and a set of big monkey coffins...
Okay, Ive swapped valves...no change. changed cables...no change....different sources...no change.. away to dig out SS power to swap out with.
walpurgis
01-05-2015, 16:29
Did you swap the source cables over, left to right?
put the Atoll back in....BINGO, sounds fine, so it is the amp. capacitor, resistor, I dunno...maybe even a valve seat although they seem tight and noiseless when moved...no crackling etc. ...Hard to credit really its only played about 10 hrs tops :(
That's a bummer Grant.
Good luck finding the problem.
Sure a few guys on here have had that WAD amp at some point and can advise.
Think I will give up music :steam:
I feel some blues coming on.........
Hey, I was listening to my valve amp
She had a great big sound
short, fat and ugly
Now she sounds like a hound
But she's my valve amp
And I love her just the same
She was a fine sounding valve amp
And Caladonia was her name
Yeah, she glowed like an oil lamp
warm, yet cool
She wasn't around long
Now I look like a fool
So as I pick up that driver
Let's hope young Caladonia
is a lucky survivor...
'cos I'm gonna butcher her good!
;)
You are Ted Hughs and I claim my £5. :)
You are Ted Hughs and I claim my £5. :)
Thought you were gonna send me £5 :ner:
best I could do at short notice.
Ali Tait
01-05-2015, 18:13
I can have a look for you Grant. Am working the weekend, could drop by on the way home?
I can have a look for you Grant. Am working the weekend, could drop by on the way home?
That would be great if your passing Ali; thanks... ive dumped it in shed for now out of my sight :eyebrows: is out of my mind, and tomorrow is another day lol.
It was needing a few wee jobs done on it, just not this quick :eek::cool:
Ali Tait
01-05-2015, 18:58
No worries. If you want to buy the bits and send them to me, I'll take the amp tomorrow and fit them for you.
No worries. If you want to buy the bits and send them to me, I'll take the amp tomorrow and fit them for you.
got the 2 caps in stock. The rca socket needs tightning. else was just gonna have a snoop and see what the valve bases were like.
Ali Tait
01-05-2015, 19:35
Ok, will sort it.
No worries. If you want to buy the bits and send them to me, I'll take the amp tomorrow and fit them for you.
Top man, whatta guy.
Top man, whatta guy.
yup![emoji12]
as the wad is oos I have taken the opportunity to install the ProArt's.
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early days yet but the fan noise is more minimal in the rack tbh and sound wise, lets say they do not disgrace themselves by any means in a bigger room with the Tannoys. rather nice actually and the pro amp brigade may just be onto summat[emoji12]
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its interesting to adj the individual balance controls on each monoblock as they have an effect even in monoblock mode. It allows for fine tuning for individual recordings to subtly change the mix out of each channel.
This is fun:eyebrows:
walpurgis
02-05-2015, 13:33
Grant. When the WAD is sorted, if you can, try using it with a passive pre-amp or a valve one. I've always found Tannoys at their happiest with those. I'm sure you'd hear what I'm getting at.
(my new Tannoys are doing rather well too! :))
dont have a passive no more. could use the clone.
i see the guy selling those monos has sold a few sinse i got mine. only 3 sets left if anyone is interested.
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Found in the boiler cabinet.2 boxes of goodies[emoji12]
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A nice 1965 black n gold chess press of Bo diddley. . I feel an Web shop sale coming on .. vinyl is mint by looks of it
Here was me thinking I had my vinyl under control and theyve been breeding again!! I give up:steam:
Ali Tait
03-05-2015, 16:45
Nice one Grant. :-)
I guess? feel kinda overloaded again. Think I might hide them again and try to forget:rolleyes:
Brigadoon
04-05-2015, 08:15
Grant those Pro arts look the canine's jewels installed in your rack :drool:
This has got me thinking....I feel a plan coming on....
Grant those Pro arts look the canine's jewels installed in your rack :drool:
This has got me thinking....I feel a plan coming on....
yes Barry they look the business. with right speakers they sound quite decent too. to that end ive put the Kefs back in and bass is much tighter. strange as it will seem to most here I think I prefer the Kefs over the DC's.
Hoping the wad is fixed soon though as its got a nice sweet touch along with clarity thats hard to find in an amp at my level. Still if i had to just have these monos i dont think i would be crying sonically too much.
Ali Tait
04-05-2015, 11:15
I'll be having a look today..
I'll be having a look today..
good man:) thought it might be high res joint maybe in the bias section but thats just a guess.
Brigadoon
04-05-2015, 13:00
We're all waiting with bated breath......
This is worse than the Royal birth...:)
Ali Tait
04-05-2015, 13:04
:D
We're all waiting with bated breath......
This is worse than the Royal birth...:)
I was just hoping it didnt look like me:rolleyes:
Ali Tait
04-05-2015, 13:52
Well all the test voltages check out. Had it hooked up to some cheap speakers for the test, so played some music from my phone into the amp. Sounded fine with no distortion on the right channel.
Will sort the RCA socket, fit the Mundorfs and run over the solder joints with my iron, then put it in the system for a couple of hours and see what's what.
Did the distortion only come in after a while Grant?
Ali Tait
04-05-2015, 14:32
Possible culprit, someone fitted this cap and didn't trim the leads :doh:-
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sorry ali was at shop. it just appeared from nowhere matte and stayed. that long leg looks like it may have been shorting against something right enough...not sure how that was missed by the fitter.is it on the right channel?
Ali Tait
04-05-2015, 15:20
No it's the cap on the heater supply to the ECF80's.
Anyhow, have now fitted the caps, will let it run for a bit and see what happens.
No it's the cap on the heater supply to the ECF80's.
Anyhow, have now fitted the caps, will let it run for a bit and see what happens.
it happened straight after i moved it from one rack to the other. initially i just tested to make sure both channels were working but switched off. then later i intended to have a listen and they started that way. so maybe the movement etc caused one of thise legs to touch something. it was fairly noticable when you got up to reasonabke listening levels Ali.
Ali Tait
04-05-2015, 15:43
How was hum when you first got it?
There was a bit, yes. not overpowering but there. I put it down to being close to the pre and phono stage. but if your getting it then perhaps not.
Ali Tait
04-05-2015, 16:04
Had this before with power amp n my active system, so may be ok.
It wasn't overpowering, just a bit. you couldn't hear it once music was playing. It seems to be quite sensitive. will maybe change that bridge rect at some stage too.
I was listening to the pro monos to same music that was on yesterday through the Kefs and that bass boom was pretty much gone, so the DC's may not like that amp. never heard it as bad as that tbh..still its all about the learning curve
Thanks for casting your eye over the WAD mate
Brigadoon
04-05-2015, 21:45
So whats the final prognosis then? Think it was the cap legs?
Its the only thing he has found so far Barry. the distortion never happend with him but f the wire moved a fraction then it wouldnt I suppose. All I can do is run it and see. Got the other wee jobs done though so thats a bonus.
Got the Wad back from Ali this evening. It was very good of him to take a look at it, and also fit the caps I had to upgrade. Not had a chance to fit it in yet but when listening with the monos today using my flac system I have to say they sounded really fine with the Kefs.
So many options these days still it does add some spice to life :eyebrows:
Thanks again Ali T
brian2957
07-05-2015, 10:07
:popcorn: Come on Grant hurry up :lol:
:lolsign:
..Just got it up and running(had to wait for the drugs to work :eyebrows:) no distortion now so reckon that cap was culprit. only some soaktesting will answer that for sure though. The hum Ali was on about was andcstill is there. not dramatic and maybe an earth strap would work betweem pre and power.
Nice amp with a clean and revealing sound. surprisingly powerful for 16 watts. Still like my ProArts though so they aint going anywhere at moment.
will pop a pic in shortly
:lolsign:
..Just got it up and running(had to wait for the drugs to work :eyebrows:) no distortion now so reckon that cap was culprit. only some soaktesting will answer that for sure though. The hum Ali was on about was andcstill is there. not dramatic and maybe an earth strap would work betweem pre and power.
Nice amp with a clean and revealing sound. surprisingly powerful for 16 watts. Still like my ProArts though so they aint going anywhere at moment.
will pop a pic in shortly
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Ali Tait
07-05-2015, 12:32
Nice one Grant, thanks for the records BTW!
Does the amp still hum with no inputs connected?
not tried that yet Ali. next time I am down there I will pull the leads. they dont come out easy and ive done enough today...hips very sore after going to shop....not even voted yet doh!
Ali Tait
07-05-2015, 14:14
Aye no worries, it'll prove the amp is the source of the hum.
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