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Candy apple flip flop.
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Thats the name of the two tone purple and green paint.
walpurgis
15-03-2022, 08:41
Thats the name of the two tone purple and green paint.
And it's hideous! :lol:
And it's hideous! :lol:
Really?
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good looking cars TVRs but even more trouble than a Lotus and always serious.
Bloke on Fifth Gear with a Capri that can beat a Nissan GTR in drag race. Left it for dead in fact.
Pigmy Pony
16-03-2022, 22:58
Bloke on Fifth Gear with a Capri that can beat a Nissan GTR in drag race. Left it for dead in fact.
What did it have under the bonnet? Mrs. P used to have a 2.8 injection one, which was as quick as they got, but still only about 150bhp unmodified.
I'll have to seek out that 5th Gear programme for her, she loved her Capri. And really likes Nissan GTRs.
Perhaps it burnt nitrous oxide?
walpurgis
17-03-2022, 07:18
Bloke on Fifth Gear with a Capri that can beat a Nissan GTR in drag race. Left it for dead in fact.
There would be little of the original car left, maybe just the bodyshell. The rest would not be 'Capri'.
I had the 3.0 V6 Ghia, which was moderately nippy fun, but handled pretty badly.
It had a 9 litre Chevy V8. Still looked like a Capri though.
well the engine is. They asked him how much of the original Capri was left and he said 'A few nuts and bolts.' Cost him £65K, still cheaper than the Nissan though.
maybe a chevvy chase car:doh: i'll get me coat
dave2010
17-03-2022, 12:22
I briefly had an inherited Capri. Not quite sure what happened to it - maybe we sold it.
Usually we drive our cars into the ground - or they fall apart - but maybe that one was just not appropriate for our lifestyle at the time.
i never had a lifestyle or a capri. ive time for a lifestyle now tho and am trying to aquire one:D
Good energy consumption today again.
Just normal driving tbhhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220317/768d3b2c64abd7bd2a2d9b038534a341.jpg
even better consumption of power today on my hospital trip. that equates to about 350miles a charge. currently at home a full charge costs about £13.50. so less than 2 gallons of fuel.
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works out at 3.85p per mile. i think lol
...and i get a krell stereo in it lol
Pigmy Pony
29-03-2022, 17:52
...and i get a krell stereo in it lol
I bet it keeps you toasty warm in winter :)
I bet it keeps you toasty warm in winter :)
its a good stereo, but not class A.
Pigmy Pony
29-03-2022, 18:18
Does it play CDs? I know it sounds like a daft question, but there are a few motors around these days that don't have one. Including my van (SD card), and my mate's Berlingo.
No cd. , usb and radio. Rare now to get cd's in car
Ive got the remote car heating on before i go out to get some suppies from the garage shop in livy. Its great not having to get in to a cold car:D
just been out to get dinner, it's sunny and it wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for the wind, it's biting.
Pigmy Pony
31-03-2022, 16:57
Well I followed an afternoon putting up 15 metres of fencing, with a chippy tea. And someone else went out for it. Fish, chips, mushy peas, thankyou :)
mushy peas?:D
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Pigmy Pony
31-03-2022, 17:20
To have mushy peas sharing the plate with mashed potato would be a mush-overload. But I am tempted - if I followed it with semolina for dessert it would be like a holiday for my teeth :)
To have mushy peas sharing the plate with mashed potato would be a mush-overload. But I am tempted - if I followed it with semolina for dessert it would be like a holiday for my teeth :)
Just stick the whole lot into a liquidiser and consume it through a straw! :lol:
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2022, 15:30
Just stick the whole lot into a liquidiser and consume it through a straw! :lol:
I'm sure that day will come soon enough. :( In the meantime I keep my gnashers nice and strong by crunching on Blackpool rock.
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driver of this ferarri had just bought it and drove only 2 miles before crashing it. a bit of me says ha ha... i know i shouldnt but, 180k second hand and cant drive the bloody thing ...;)
walpurgis
02-04-2022, 17:53
I share your sentiments :D.
Yes, schadenfreude can be a universal and justified response. Especially if the owner is a bit of a 'lombard'. :D
Even if he hadn't crashed it would probably have broken down in a couple of hours anyway.
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2022, 21:19
This was a mate of my daughter's feller. What a tit
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This was a mate of my daughter's feller. What a tit
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwint4Xdpfb2AhWNgVwKHY9vAXkQuAJ6BAgDEAc&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKQ NXFL9FtXQ&usg=AOvVaw1rFM2gP5VSEElGnjS1zxSz
:D
walpurgis
03-04-2022, 08:20
Should have stuck with the Fiat Panda :rolleyes:.
Should have stuck with the Fiat Panda :rolleyes:.
these cars are not suited to driving in town traffic. why cant folk see that? drove a panda 4x4 and it was quite a good motor:)
Pigmy Pony
03-04-2022, 09:28
I had a Fiat Punto for a few years (a disgusting yellowy vomit green), and it was great round town. It was even ok on the motorway.
Pigmy Pony
03-04-2022, 09:41
I had a Fiat Punto for a few years (a disgusting yellowy vomit green), and it was great round town. It was even ok on the motorway.
rmcin626
15-04-2022, 15:35
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The Q5 looking good for the spring
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it is. shiny wheels and tyres too. those are the y spoke wheels i think.
Zoidburg
15-04-2022, 15:45
I've put a few more miles on the old speed triple recently. It was due its mot (which it passed with flying colours) and since the rear was about due i treated it to new rubber front and rear (peace of mind for me too). My only gripe is that I find it slightly cramped in the leg area but for the most part I can live with that (that lovely growly burbly triple noise certainly makes me smile) 30251
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nice old bike.. well not that old lol.. what is it cc wise? 850?
rmcin626
15-04-2022, 16:07
it is. shiny wheels and tyres too. those are the y spoke wheels i think.
Those alloys are a pain in ass to clean Grant
Zoidburg
15-04-2022, 16:11
nice old bike.. well not that old lol.. what is it cc wise? 850?It's almost 20 years old now, getting on for a modern classic I guess.
It's a 955cc in line triple, puts out about 115 bhp I think. Not fast fast by today's standards but enjoyable enough for me at the moment.
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It's almost 20 years old now, getting on for a modern classic I guess.
It's a 955cc in line triple, puts out about 115 bhp I think. Not fast fast by today's standards but enjoyable enough for me at the moment.
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plenty fast enough mate. im a slow coach these days. :D
Zoidburg
15-04-2022, 16:24
plenty fast enough mate. im a slow coach these days. :DSame here [emoji16]
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Those alloys are a pain in ass to clean Grant
they will be robin. 10*y = 20 spokes *4 = 80.. think mine are 5 spoke; not that i will be cleaning them lol.... hard enough cleaning my spokes:eyebrows:
take car to the turks or romanians; summat like that. they do a grand job for a fiver. about 4/5 of them on the car at a time. hand sponged
Pigmy Pony
17-04-2022, 07:51
our Romanians do a decent job super cheap, and more than good enough most of the time. Even get a free air freshener to hang off the mirror, which actually smells ok.
rmcin626
17-04-2022, 10:19
they will be robin. 10*y = 20 spokes *4 = 80.. think mine are 5 spoke; not that i will be cleaning them lol.... hard enough cleaning my spokes:eyebrows:
take car to the turks or romanians; summat like that. they do a grand job for a fiver. about 4/5 of them on the car at a time. hand sponged
I clean it myself most of the time, there is no way those dirty sponges are going anywhere near my car.
I got a mate who always buys old bangers but he still regularly takes them to the hand car wash and pays for the full service.
His latest has a couple of wheel trims missing and the plastic headlamp covers are all fogged over but the car is still gleamingly clean. I don't really get that.
rmcin626
17-04-2022, 11:13
I got a mate who always buys old bangers but he still regularly takes them to the hand car wash and pays for the full service.
His latest has a couple of wheel trims missing and the plastic headlamp covers are all fogged over but the car is still gleamingly clean. I don't really get that.
Me neither
I clean it myself most of the time, there is no way those dirty sponges are going anywhere near my car.These guys are good. Use different sponges for different areas and they always look new. Hard workers I will say that too.
rmcin626
17-04-2022, 14:07
These guys are good. Use different sponges for different areas and they always look new. Hard workers I will say that too.
We don’t have that in this area, they are hard working but they use the same sponge from car to car
Nice short drive today. Was a mix of motorway, A roads and town work, so a standard type of run. Did just under 12 miles so not far but the mpkwh is really quite revealing now weather is a bit warmer and my one pedal driving gets better.
See screenshot.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220418/c0fcead8df0f2247639ab3e105245ae1.jpg
5.92 equates to over 370m per charge... impressive.
My brother has just ordered a Kona, on lease.
They wanted an ID3, but there is a delay of about a year for one of those.
My brother has just ordered a Kona, on lease.
They wanted an ID3, but there is a delay of about a year for one of those.
quite a decent little car imo. interior isnt overly classy but its solid. decent car if your wanting transport and good range etc
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The Q5 looking good for the spring
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Good looking car.
I washed my car yesterday, including the alloy wheels (not difficult), but the thought occured to me - why do the vast majority of alloy wheels have five (or sometimes ten) spokes? Is it a simple matter of strenght to weight ratio?
Well,
That's the new (electric) car ordered.
Just need to wait on the build slot lottery.
Didn't want to jinx it by talking about it before paperwork went through.
Returned to work today after Covid isolation and confirmation emails all through.
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Polestar 2 dual motor Performance
This colour (magnesium)
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looks good gaz... nice motors those.. whats the wait times on those now...4/5/6 months?? ps, like the colour.
Waiting for the Dealer to get back with an estimated time Grant,
but yeah, will be around that mark I think.
Unknowns like supply chain issues, chip shortages yada yada.
Colour can look quite different depending on lighting, almost white down to a pearlescent light duck egg blue?
Shows the creases n lines of the car quite well.
I avoided the black/dark colours as they hid them.
See how it all pans out. :)
rmcin626
27-04-2022, 10:41
Looks good Gaz, hope you enjoy driving it, when it arrives
Looks very smart. Accelerates like a motorbike too so that'll be fun.
walpurgis
27-04-2022, 17:02
Swansea to introduce 20mph limits: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-20mph-speed-limits-where-23800458?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAqEAgAKgcICjC4oP0KMILK9AIwwMNK&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=g&gaa_n=AYc4ysuFgGR91LFQ55ajIYk191B9ts67VvsTI1_5nVKO 3XwQ4PSg8hERuZ88qwxgTf0VLtR342G-SQ%3D%3D&gaa_ts=6269829f&gaa_sig=vUVWo0HuqAa05SkIbIVIY-anWr2iiwpYu9jYownbfaJceflFNtGIf-vExuK3Dtlw4H-tNUutADgd81vtN7nmTA%3D%3D
Well if that works as well as it does here, it'll be a total waste of time. It's largely ignored and there's no enforcement!
Swansea to introduce 20mph limits: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-20mph-speed-limits-where-23800458?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAqEAgAKgcICjC4oP0KMILK9AIwwMNK&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=g&gaa_n=AYc4ysuFgGR91LFQ55ajIYk191B9ts67VvsTI1_5nVKO 3XwQ4PSg8hERuZ88qwxgTf0VLtR342G-SQ%3D%3D&gaa_ts=6269829f&gaa_sig=vUVWo0HuqAa05SkIbIVIY-anWr2iiwpYu9jYownbfaJceflFNtGIf-vExuK3Dtlw4H-tNUutADgd81vtN7nmTA%3D%3D
Well if that works as well as it does here, it'll be a total waste of time. It's largely ignored and there's no enforcement!
got those here. was supposed to be a trial but looks like they have stuck. the electric car loves them mind lol.
If Swansea is anything like Glasgow,
Thats just another licence to print money for the local Council!
Swansea to introduce 20mph limits: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-20mph-speed-limits-where-23800458?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAqEAgAKgcICjC4oP0KMILK9AIwwMNK&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=g&gaa_n=AYc4ysuFgGR91LFQ55ajIYk191B9ts67VvsTI1_5nVKO 3XwQ4PSg8hERuZ88qwxgTf0VLtR342G-SQ%3D%3D&gaa_ts=6269829f&gaa_sig=vUVWo0HuqAa05SkIbIVIY-anWr2iiwpYu9jYownbfaJceflFNtGIf-vExuK3Dtlw4H-tNUutADgd81vtN7nmTA%3D%3D
Well if that works as well as it does here, it'll be a total waste of time. It's largely ignored and there's no enforcement!
Hey,
you got to end yer Time in a burning wreck somehow? :)
Looks very smart. Accelerates like a motorbike too so that'll be fun.
Hey,
you got to end yer Time in a burning wreck somehow?
well it all worked out okay for that bloke in 'Vanishing Point.'
Oh wait no it didn't.
Barry whatshiface...
The Petrochelli fella.
Did he ever get his house built?
Looks good Gaz, hope you enjoy driving it, when it arrives
Cheers Rob,
Hopefully post Covid (as part of the Scottish Mafia) can give you the Tour!
Barry whatshiface...
The Petrochelli fella.
Did he ever get his house built?
yes Petrocelli. I suppose once his show got cancelled he had more time to work on it.
Nice! Would definitely be on my shortlist for an EV.
yes Petrocelli. I suppose once his show got cancelled he had more time to work on it.
This also is true,
May need to wait for “The Motion Picture” for confirmation… :)
rmcin626
27-04-2022, 22:58
Cheers Rob,
Hopefully post Covid (as part of the Scottish Mafia) can give you the Tour!
That would be great, so far only met Grant in person.
That would be great, so far only met Grant in person.
The "Mafia" fell away a bit because of Covid and such,
But was great to get together at each others gaffs, hear different systems etc.
Made friends through these meets, the way things should be.
I'll be having get together at mine some point this year - Covid providing - probably when I get the last of my Dac mods done.
Nice! Would definitely be on my shortlist for an EV.
See the VW van is out in the wild?
Whats your thoughts Alex?
yes Petrocelli. I suppose once his show got cancelled he had more time to work on it.
a show i didnt get into. in fact i had completely forgot about it and didnt recognise name.
a show i didnt get into. in fact i had completely forgot about it and didnt recognise name.
It was just a standard legal drama, the old 'looks bad for the kid but the brilliant lawyer turns it around' thing.
The only original schtick was that he lived in a caravan (or 'trailer') and was building his house himself, brick by brick.
Although the living in a trailer thing had already been done in 'The Rockford Files' and 'Trapper John MD.' Revived later for Mel Gibson's character in the 'Lethal Weapon' films.
It was just a standard legal drama, the old 'looks bad for the kid but the brilliant lawyer turns it around' thing.
The only original schtick was that he lived in a caravan (or 'trailer') and was building his house himself, brick by brick.
Although the living in a trailer thing had already been done in 'The Rockford Files' and 'Trapper John MD.' Revived later for Mel Gibson's character in the 'Lethal Weapon' films.
yeah it comes back to me. i dont think i watched much. mother probably did tho. she liked those things..lol
yeah it comes back to me. i dont think i watched much. mother probably did tho. she liked those things..lol
That was back when there was only three channels so you took what you were given.
Just looked it up, apparently both Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill appeared in it, before they became famous due to 'Star Wars.'
As Gaz said Petrocelli was the same bloke who played Kowalski in 'Vanishing Point.'
yeah, barry newman; hes still going i think..
walpurgis
28-04-2022, 10:08
yeah, barry newman; hes still going i think..
Thought he'd smoked himself to death. Could be wrong though.
Thought he'd smoked himself to death. Could be wrong though.
didnt hear of it but could be. im not overly up to date lol
Thought he'd smoked himself to death. Could be wrong though.
no apparently still alive. currently 83.
Ali Tait
28-04-2022, 14:24
The "Mafia" fell away a bit because of Covid and such,
But was great to get together at each others gaffs, hear different systems etc.
Made friends through these meets, the way things should be.
I'll be having get together at mine some point this year - Covid providing - probably when I get the last of my Dac mods done.
Aye be good to have a get together mate, been too long.
Enjoy the new motor, looks the business. You’ll be selling the Alfa then?
See the VW van is out in the wild?
Whats your thoughts Alex?
Looks great, but I reckon it’s going to be very pricey, especially once you look at the 7 seater and camper versions with more oomph and range…
Looks great, but I reckon it’s going to be very pricey, especially once you look at the 7 seater and camper versions with more oomph and range…
45/60k in dollaridoos they reckon. not too bad i'd say.
As Gaz said Petrocelli was the same bloke who played Kowalski in 'Vanishing Point.'
Excellent film - I must get myself a copy.
walpurgis
28-04-2022, 19:47
Excellent film - I must get myself a copy.
So should I (and 'Two-Lane Blacktop' :)).
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/move-electric/how-efficient-are-electric-cars
walpurgis
03-05-2022, 10:59
Well I know what I'd do with him! :deceased:
https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-05-03/teen-drives-wrong-way-through-blackwall-tunnel-and-crashes-stolen-car
Last two runs, both over 6mi/kWh.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220509/697b56d16eb3376779359e56a20efe10.jpg
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walpurgis
10-05-2022, 07:16
Used car prices are bonkers at the moment. I'm not sure there's a shortage, but something seems to have prompted dealers to be asking over 50% more, like for like, than they would have a couple of years ago. You now see lowish mileage cars getting on for ten years old being offered for the best part of their original new price.
shortage of new cars is increasing the price of used ones I think.
walpurgis
10-05-2022, 07:48
shortage of new cars is increasing the price of used ones I think.
There have been all sorts of stories, from chip shortages causing a shortfall in supply to the opposite, with new cars stored in fields by the thousand.
Dealers don't seem to be short of used stock from what I see in the listings, they're just creating inflated values. They will end up with unsold cars, as folk decide now is not the time for a change.
There have been all sorts of stories, from chip shortages causing a shortfall in supply to the opposite, with new cars stored in fields by the thousand.
Dealers don't seem to be short of used stock from what I see in the listings, they're just creating inflated values. They will end up with unsold cars, as folk decide now is not the time for a change.
I don't believe the 'new cars stored in fields' thing, that was made up.
Like any commodity the price will be set by the market. If I'm a used car dealer and I can get a bigger share of the market by dropping my price by ten percent compared to the dealer down the road then that's what I'm going to do. So I make £450 profit instead of £500 but I make the sale and he doesn't.
So he drops his prices too, and so on until there's no useful margin left.
The only way that can work otherwise is if we both form a cartel. Which would never happen. Or if demand is so high we can both jack the price right up and still make sales. It's the latter that is happening and that only ever happens when demand outstrips supply. See also - Houses.
a lot of the new cars in fields are motors missing chips. they have been making cars and fitting some chips at a later date, when available.
yup second hand cars are expensive due to lack of new stock really. once that is fixed they will come down again. you currently have the double whammy of chips and harnesses causing new car woes. Plus a number of German companies are now deliberately making fewer cars and models and charging more. They seem to be making more profit that way as well. Merc, BMW and Audi to name 3
I know there was always a long wait for a new BMW if you wanted specific options, as opposed to whatever they had sat in the showroom. I've known people wait up to six months.
most companies are not really giving time frames now, or if they do its unrealistic. Im glad i got mine when i did, or i'd still be waiting
Been quoted end of October for my new car. :rolleyes:
Been quoted end of October for my new car. :rolleyes:
chinese have been doing better than most, as were koreans, but think both are struggling a bit too now
AJSki2fly
10-05-2022, 17:00
Been quoted end of October for my new car. :rolleyes:
What have you ordered?
I ditched our Kia EV6 order in March and found a very low mileage 2021, Tesla Model 3, and glad I did, from my investigations there are some key issues affecting the build of new cars which will not go away in a hurry, it is also starting to affect repairs.
Microchip shortage(but it depends on manufacturer), Semi-conductors becoming hard to get(rare metal shortages growing), Lithium supply issues(not enough being produced to meet demand), Groupe Renault, Stellantis Group, Mercedes, BMW and VW-Group and others suffering from Wiring Harness and parts issues from Ukraine, previously made in Ukraine, Porsche also temporarily stopped(not sure if back in production), Jaguar/Land Rover new car delivery now over a year, "Hyundai And Kia Backorders Exceed 1 Million Vehicles Due To Parts Shortages", "GM, Tesla, And Industry Suppliers Affected By Latest COVID Lockdown In Shanghai", Stellantis Group is similarly affected through the war in Ukraine, and the list goes on.
What have you ordered?
I ditched our Kia EV6 order in March and found a very low mileage 2021, Tesla Model 3, and glad I did, from my investigations there are some key issues affecting the build of new cars which will not go away in a hurry, it is also starting to affect repairs.
Microchip shortage(but it depends on manufacturer), Semi-conductors becoming hard to get(rare metal shortages growing), Lithium supply issues(not enough being produced to meet demand), Groupe Renault, Stellantis Group, Mercedes, BMW and VW-Group and others suffering from Wiring Harness and parts issues from Ukraine, previously made in Ukraine, Porsche also temporarily stopped(not sure if back in production), Jaguar/Land Rover new car delivery now over a year, "Hyundai And Kia Backorders Exceed 1 Million Vehicles Due To Parts Shortages", "GM, Tesla, And Industry Suppliers Affected By Latest COVID Lockdown In Shanghai", Stellantis Group is similarly affected through the war in Ukraine, and the list goes on.
he's ordered a Polstar 2 motor afaik Adrian. there is a pic of it a few pages back. looks great.
..just had my ev out for a jaunt. weather was a bit blowy and wet but it still returned over 5.6mi/kwh. not to be sneezed at. never went much over 60, as its more frugal at such speeds and i wasnt in a hurry.:D
What have you ordered?
Hi Adrian,
Just as Grant said, a Polestar 2.
Hi Adrian,
Just as Grant said, a Polestar 2.
well was reading that vw have a backlog of 300,000 cars and deliveries now are in 2023. so your quote of october isnt too bad
well was reading that vw have a backlog of 300,000 cars and deliveries now are in 2023. so your quote of october isnt too bad
yeah Grant,
spot on.
Had a few ‘Brannie’ Fords in my time, and was always at least 6 months from initial order,
So not complaining.
AJSki2fly
11-05-2022, 21:27
he's ordered a Polstar 2 motor afaik Adrian. there is a pic of it a few pages back. looks great.
..just had my ev out for a jaunt. weather was a bit blowy and wet but it still returned over 5.6mi/kwh. not to be sneezed at. never went much over 60, as its more frugal at such speeds and i wasnt in a hurry.:D
5.6/kWh! If that’s right it f…n’ amazing, what do you like best about the electric? Thanks, I love the Tesla[emoji2]
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5.6/kWh! If that’s right it f…n’ amazing, what do you like best about the electric? Thanks, I love the Tesla[emoji2]
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yes if i want to and weather is good etc, and its not fast motorway driving etc, i ve had over 6/kwh. i dont really go long distances but it would be similar if using same roads. my average in last month is about 5.3/kwh.
i like the whole thing really. its quiet, stress free motoring; cheaper, and fast too if i want it to be. one pedal driving for 95% of time is great too.
AJSki2fly
12-05-2022, 09:34
yes if i want to and weather is good etc, and its not fast motorway driving etc, i ve had over 6/kwh. i dont really go long distances but it would be similar if using same roads. my average in last month is about 5.3/kwh.
i like the whole thing really. its quiet, stress free motoring; cheaper, and fast too if i want it to be. one pedal driving for 95% of time is great too.
Yep, I completely agree, happy motoring[emoji2]
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Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJust a short trip to pick up shopping from Tesco. These are the figures.
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AJSki2fly
12-05-2022, 12:37
Just a short trip to pick up shopping from Tesco. These are the figures.
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Grant, have you validated the figures your getting by doing a measured test? In other words, note the current kWh battery level, then go for a reasonable drive 40-50 mile trip, note the kWh on the battery on return. Then charge up and see if it matches, this would be very interesting, if it confirms the figures on the app then you are doing very well.
Looking at the evdatabase.com the best real world figures are 244Wh/mile or 4.09 miles a kWh for a Polestar.
Cheers Adrian
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Grant, have you validated the figures your getting by doing a measured test? In other words, note the current kWh battery level, then go for a reasonable drive 40-50 mile trip, note the kWh on the battery on return. Then charge up and see if it matches, this would be very interesting, if it confirms the figures on the app then you are doing very well.
Looking at the evdatabase.com the best real world figures are 244Wh/mile or 4.09 miles a kWh for a Polestar.
Cheers Adrian
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ive a kona 64kwh. it appears to be about right with the level of charging afterward. comes out about late 3 to 4mi per & point, so between 330 and 400 mi a full charge, but heating, cooling etc and weather has an effect, as does wind.
AJSki2fly
12-05-2022, 15:58
ive a kona 64kwh. it appears to be about right with the level of charging afterward. comes out about late 3 to 4mi per & point, so between 330 and 400 mi a full charge, but heating, cooling etc and weather has an effect, as does wind.
Sorry I was confused as a Polestar was mentioned earlier, if are getting 330+ miles form the Kona you are doing very well I think.
Sorry I was confused as a Polestar was mentioned earlier, if are getting 330+ miles form the Kona you are doing very well I think.Yeah it's Gary that's getting the polestar.
Was out today picking up supplies.
Got this mileage etc which is excellent. Was a lot higher on the outward leg as it was wind assisted.
Still that's pretty good going.
I'm now only charging car to 80%, from 90.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220518/f5dadaed40f4ec7ee83791976a9cc50d.jpg
That equates to over 400
Looking for some advice Chaps on dealing with a (now) major problem with a car job by a garage.
Took my Alfa into a local performance tuning/ repair shop for custom exhaust work.
This was last week of November last year.
Now 6 months+ later, still no car. https://www.pistonheads.com/inc/images/nono.gif
Im out of options for what to think of the service, and how to get my car back.
Always tried to be reasonable and give the guy time to do the work?
He came highly recommended and facebook reviews were all good.
Word of mouth was he was the go to guy.
So not pestered him on the phone,
gave him time to work, but I've received no updates at all, and any time I've phoned there's always SOMETHING thats came up.
Any time Ive contacted the Garage,
Keep getting told "Yeah Yeah I'll do on "specific date", but been told that maybe 5 times now?
Fabricators phoning in sick, materials not being delivered... threes always something.
I've explained I needed car for work, and that I was paying road tax/ car insurance AND I'm £60 a week on Taxi's just to get to work.
Its costing me a fortune for a car I cant even use *
So,
I've went in to see him maybe three times now in last couple of Months
He's apologized for taking so long with it, which is cool, but he has admitted to having worked on other cars after getting mine in.
(race season, apparently, been really busy Mate...yada yada)
Cost of my work is £1500, I get the feeling I'm being sidelined for the "big ticket" items.
Nobody likes to feel the piss is getting taken out them,
And I'm thinking my easy going approach to this has maybe been taken the wrong way.
Times up though.
Cant afford to keep this up, so enough's enough.
Confirmed with him months ago he had all the materials and resources to do work,
and it would take 2 days fabrication work to do.
Whats your advice Guys?
I've hit the point I think where being reasonable is being taken advantage of.
Any advice much appreciated.
Prefer to keep it all friendly if possible,
but at same time nobody enjoys the feeling the https://www.pistonheads.com/inc/images/censored.gif is being ripped out of them.
Thanks
Pigmy Pony
05-06-2022, 19:43
Right then Gary, it's time you did a Facebook review of your own, including relevant dates and their progress with your car. Then inform the garage you will be posting your review in two weeks' time, unless your work is completed by then.
I do sympathise, I don't care much for confrontation. But they are taking the piss. Once you start to get tough with them, you may be surprised how easy it is to keep it up. Best of luck whatever you do.
Ali Tait
05-06-2022, 19:55
That’s really bad mate, no excuse for it. I’d take the car and go elsewhere, and as above leave a shitty review everywhere you can.
Thanks.
I'd have taken the car out months ago,
but hes taken the old exhaust manifold out months ago, inpreperation for fabricating the new one.
So cars in limbo and not driveable.
Could pull up in a flatbed and take it away,
but then cars only fit for spares or repair sale, and thats not an option.
Frustrating!
yup bad review threat, plus a back up of newspapers and either small claims court or something like that. that might get some speedy repair done. its sounding like he has cocked up and is waiting til he thinks how to get out of it or as you say, has lots of better paid work.
stay pleasent but no more mr nice guy.
Interesting figures re cost of ev v ice cars...
https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-mpg
Everyone moving to electric as the price of petrol and diesel kept hiking up and now the same is happening with the price of electricity. Ironic.
Everyone moving to electric as the price of petrol and diesel kept hiking up and now the same is happening with the price of electricity. Ironic.
still way cheaper than ice fuels. costs me under 20 notes to fully charge my battery which gives me over 300mi, while ice tank cost 100 quid now. ok it will go further but not that much or anywhere near it.
tbh i wouldnt deliberately change from a battery car now unless i had to.
Yes still cheaper no doubt about that, but the gap has diminished.
I suppose the real key to it is to make your own leccy. Was looking at those windmill things but they have to be sited twenty foot from your property boundary so it's a rich man's game, not for us terraced house people. Shame as it's always windy here and just one of them would cover all my power needs.
Yes still cheaper no doubt about that, but the gap has diminished.
I suppose the real key to it is to make your own leccy. Was looking at those windmill things but they have to be sited twenty foot from your property boundary so it's a rich man's game, not for us terraced house people. Shame as it's always windy here and just one of them would cover all my power needs.
solar isnt cheap to set up but if youve a roof it at least is out of way. a good few folk here have them and a number of guys on motabilty forum have too. getting free power now including the car. buggers lol
solar needs the sunshine through and that's in short supply here, but rain and wind we have in abundance. It's raining right now in fact. Need to come up with a way to harness the power of rain that pre-Roman societies didn't think of.
Now if instead of a solar panel you could get a 'heavily overcast and raining' panel I'd be sorted.
Scotland produces renewable electricity equivalent to, almost its annual consumption, but some of this is exported, meaning it uses significant amounts of non-renewable electricity as well. In 2020, 56% of the electricity consumed in Scotland came from renewable sources. I presume what we export is a good earner.
solar needs the sunshine through and that's in short supply here, but rain and wind we have in abundance. It's raining right now in fact. Need to come up with a way to harness the power of rain that pre-Roman societies didn't think of.
Now if instead of a solar panel you could get a 'heavily overcast and raining' panel I'd be sorted.
they do work in all weathers; obviously best in full sun but they still produce leccy.
https://www.eonenergy.com/spark/do-solar-panels-work-in-winter.html
you'd think given the price of it now.
How did he manage in 'The Good Life'? It's never properly explained is it?
you'd think given the price of it now.
How did he manage in 'The Good Life'? It's never properly explained is it?
think he had a generator and supposedly burnt some of his animal/vegetable produce..methane maybe?
they do work in all weathers; obviously best in full sun but they still produce leccy.
https://www.eonenergy.com/spark/do-solar-panels-work-in-winter.html
I know but it's a waste of money here, because of how the row of houses is aligned you can't put them south facing so they are not even in the direct line of sight of the sun except for a couple of hours in the morning during the summer.
There's a housing association house a few down from me that has them fitted.
think he had a generator and supposedly burnt some of his animal/vegetable produce..methane maybe?
looked it up lol... They generate their own electricity with methane from animal waste
I know but it's a waste of money here, because of how the row of houses is aligned you can't put them south facing so they are not even in the direct line of sight of the sun except for a couple of hours in the morning during the summer.
There's a housing association house a few down from me that has them fitted.
i'd be ok.. back of house faces south and is in sun most of day
looked it up lol... They generate their own electricity with methane from animal waste
I wonder how much waste would be required in reality? IIRC he has some chickens, two pigs and a goat which is surely not enough? Although I suppose they had an Aga so their only leccy requirement is lighting but there were no eco-bulbs in those days, twenty watts was the lowest I think.
But then how do you run the Aga, those things eat fuel like it's going out of fashion.
I wonder how much waste would be required in reality? IIRC he has some chickens, two pigs and a goat which is surely not enough? Although I suppose they had an Aga so their only leccy requirement is lighting but there were no eco-bulbs in those days, twenty watts was the lowest I think.
But then how do you run the Aga, those things eat fuel like it's going out of fashion.
i'd think a lot more than that tbh.
Given all the recent talk of fuel economy and mileage, thought Id pitch in with this one.
Happily,
some movement on my Alfa from the Garage. :thumbsup:
Went over last week to check on progress, with a more direct "now or never" approach and the guy responded well.
He has taken on an extra fabricator (ex Alfa guy actually) and is tasked with staying with my car till its done.
I saw the work done so far, manifold in place, one Cat welded in and should be ready "next week".
Shall see, but more confidence this time.
Funny story though?
Id complained his delay was causing me money getting to work and He apologized for not offering sooner but asked if i wanted a car to get me back on the road for the short time left.
"Sure" says I, What do you have.
No driveable cars at the moment, says He, but you can have one of my own two.
His Lexus was being used by his Wife to take kids to school etc, so he offered me his....
well.
heres a photo of it parked up at Work.
https://i.imgur.com/alDHFd3.jpg
(excuse the shoddy parking, was still getting used to the size of it)
And another parked up at Tesco.
https://i.imgur.com/bAzVKzy.jpg
US imported left hand drive Dodge Ram,
5.9 ltr Cummins Turbodiesel engine.
You can imagine the noise it makes, its actually louder.
:eek:
Strictly for (short) work journeys only as its WAY too big for local roads and pisses away fuel at a scary rate.
The opposite of the ideal courtesy car, would have been happier with a 1.6 Fiesta but hey..
Coolest thing Ive ever driven.
The thing is a Beast.
Garage does a lot of work for Knockhill racing teams and he uses it to haul engine parts, tyres n stuff there and back.
Its been heavily modded from stock, biblical levels of torque on it.
Totally different experience from driving a car, feels like driving a barge.
Once you get your head around it NOT being a car you can have a lot of fun with it.
Just the Stetson and Gun rack to get, then Im sorted. :)
good news by way of it... oh thats the worst park job ever :ner: (tho i know why you did it)
Monster truck. If you get stuck in traffic you can just drive over the other cars.
Monster truck. If you get stuck in traffic you can just drive over the other cars.
https://youtu.be/PD6qdzQvHhE
Good news on my Alfa,
exhaust manifold/ sports cats fabricated n fitted, car passed its MOT with 1 advisory on thin front break pads.
An easy fix, sort out on next service.
Pick it up tomorrow…
Happy days. :thumbsup:
Good news Gaz. Happy motoring again
Ali Tait
13-06-2022, 20:33
Nice one Gaz. About bloody time.
Thanks Chaps.
yeah,
curious to see what the improvement with the exhaust work will be,
but just happy to have it back on the road.
Pigmy Pony
15-06-2022, 20:28
Yes still cheaper no doubt about that, but the gap has diminished.
I suppose the real key to it is to make your own leccy. Was looking at those windmill things but they have to be sited twenty foot from your property boundary so it's a rich man's game, not for us terraced house people. Shame as it's always windy here and just one of them would cover all my power needs.
Probably only applies to those full-size jobbies. If you were to get some of those they sell on Blackpool sea front (about 5,000 should do the trick) and stick them all over your roof you'd be laughing. As would your neighbours :)
Don't know how you'd wire them though, that's someone else's department. I'm just the ideas man.
Pigmy Pony
15-06-2022, 20:49
After a week or so in Dorset/Cornwall/Devon, we've just arrived back. And there's a NIP in the air (Notice of Intended Prosecution) from Dorset Constabulary. For doing 63mph in a fifty. Anita's ticket though, not mine :) She wishes she'd let me drive her baby now.
Hoping she will be eligible for speed awareness course instead of points, but I don't know what the requirements are.
No way I'm ever going to Blackpool so that idea's out.
Although that does give me the idea of getting a donkey, have it gong around on one of those boom things like in the westerns.
Would fit in my back yard if I got a little one and passing children would bring it food - carrots and stuff - to keep it going. Plus there's lots of weeds it can munch on.
walpurgis
16-06-2022, 07:23
After a week or so in Dorset/Cornwall/Devon, we've just arrived back. And there's a NIP in the air (Notice of Intended Prosecution) from Dorset Constabulary. For doing 63mph in a fifty. Anita's ticket though, not mine :) She wishes she'd let me drive her baby now.
Hoping she will be eligible for speed awareness course instead of points, but I don't know what the requirements are.
The A39 out of Truro is a bugger, with its mobile speed camera vans tucked away on down-gradients just to catch those whose speed inadvertantly creeps up. Drivers heading west get acclimatised to hours of the 70 limit on the A30 and A303 and after that, the jump down to 60 mph won't necessarily register immediately.
most of w lothian built up is 20mph now. still quite a few ignore it in extreme and just get uppety and overtake etc... bmw drivers many of them. apparently if you drive one you have to race about in it:rolleyes:
walpurgis
16-06-2022, 08:06
most of w lothian built up is 20mph now. still quite a few ignore it in extreme and just get uppety and overtake etc... bmw drivers many of them. apparently if you drive one you have to race about in it:rolleyes:
Same here. 20mph on a lot of roads, but the Beemer & Audi mob think it doesn't apply to them. I tend to do a touch over the 20, but if the idiots start tailgating, I slow down to 15mph. I've got used to the 20 limit and it doesn't bother me.
Same here. 20mph on a lot of roads, but the Beemer & Audi mob think it doesn't apply to them. I tend to do a touch over the 20, but if the idiots start tailgating, I slow down to 15mph. I've got used to the 20 limit and it doesn't bother me.
i set the cruise to 20 and let it hold the speed. flipping it off when needed and let the regen brakes slow it down. worst scenario is the footbrake lol
dave2010
16-06-2022, 13:47
Currently driving a Honda Jazz hire car - pure petrol - automatic. Even though it's a hybrid it's not a plug-in hybrid - and it's very noticeable how rough the brakes are. Compared to "proper" EVs which can often be driven almost completely using the accelerator pedal - depending on settings - this one is decidely not so smooth.
Not sure if driving it in B mode is a good idea as that might work in a different way. The comparable mode in the old Prius we had was useful for going down steep hills.
I'm not totally against the so-called "self charging" hybrids - though that strikes me as a marketing gimmick. Basically they still burn petrol (or perhaps diesel), and with the current prices of combustible fuel are really not great at all. Even on such a hybrid car, the regenerative braking should be better than this one shows.
In other respects it's quite nice to drive.
dave2010
16-06-2022, 13:55
Same here. 20mph on a lot of roads, but the Beemer & Audi mob think it doesn't apply to them. I tend to do a touch over the 20, but if the idiots start tailgating, I slow down to 15mph. I've got used to the 20 limit and it doesn't bother me.Also there are many that don't seem to realise (as I used not to do) that the national speed limit on many roads is not 70 mph, but actually 60 mph. That's certainly true in a lot of Scotland, so when the cruise control is working properly (Grrrrr - Tesla - it often fails ....) I set the speed to 60mph and just let the car do its thing. Still get overtaken, and sometime by "locals" also sporting Ecosse badges, Parts round where we live have got fairly new 20 mph limits.
Also there are many that don't seem to realise (as I used not to do) that the national speed limit on many roads is not 70 mph, but actually 60 mph. That's certainly true in a lot of Scotland, so when the cruise control is working properly (Grrrrr - Tesla - it often fails ....) I set the speed to 60mph and just let the car do its thing. Still get overtaken, and sometime by "locals" also sporting Ecosse badges, Parts round where we live have got fairly new 20 mph limits.
yup 60 except on dual c or motorway; all unless otherwise expressed. some think this is a minimum by looks of way they drive, especially in bad weather.:doh:
Pigmy Pony
16-06-2022, 15:09
No way I'm ever going to Blackpool so that idea's out.
Although that does give me the idea of getting a donkey, have it gong around on one of those boom things like in the westerns.
Would fit in my back yard if I got a little one and passing children would bring it food - carrots and stuff - to keep it going. Plus there's lots of weeds it can munch on.
And if you dry out the donkey-shite it makes good firewood. And the smoke off it will lend your room a nice rural ambience.
Pigmy Pony
16-06-2022, 15:18
yup 60 except on dual c or motorway; all unless otherwise expressed. some think this is a minimum by looks of way they drive, especially in bad weather.:doh:
10mph less than that if you're in a van, except with motorways.
What I don't get (saw this a lot on the A9 Perth-Inverness) is 40mph limit for HGVs. When I was up there couple of years ago it was causing huge tailbacks behind lorries, with some car drivers taking stupid risks to get past them when possible. That can't be good.
10mph less than that if you're in a van, except with motorways.
What I don't get (saw this a lot on the A9 Perth-Inverness) is 40mph limit for HGVs. When I was up there couple of years ago it was causing huge tailbacks behind lorries, with some car drivers taking stupid risks to get past them when possible. That can't be good.
40mph on single carriageway, 50 on dual for over 7.5 ton vehicles. yes vans and cars with trailers are 10mph slower on rds excepy motorways, although anyong towing above 60 is bloody mad
Pigmy Pony
16-06-2022, 15:37
40mph on single carriageway, 50 on dual for over 7.5 ton vehicles. yes vans and cars with trailers are 10mph slower on rds excepy motorways, although anyong towing above 60 is bloody mad
I've managed to avoid towing trailers for nearly 20 years, since I wrote off a van. And I was only doing about 40.
I've managed to avoid towing trailers for nearly 20 years, since I wrote off a van. And I was only doing about 40.
yup, they can be dangerous if wrongly loaded/wrongly towed etc. they might break free but they usually whip the vehicle about or flip it completely. depends on weight etc.
Same here. 20mph on a lot of roads, but the Beemer & Audi mob think it doesn't apply to them. I tend to do a touch over the 20, but if the idiots start tailgating, I slow down to 15mph. I've got used to the 20 limit and it doesn't bother me.
Tailgaters do my head in, so I do what you do. I also resent Audi, BMW and Merc drivers who automatically think the outside lane is their preserve, and sit there doing 70 - 75 mph. It's an overtaking lane FFS! :doh:
Pigmy Pony
16-06-2022, 16:44
yup, they can be dangerous if wrongly loaded/wrongly towed etc. they might break free but they usually whip the vehicle about or flip it completely. depends on weight etc.
Yeah it was a pretty long single axle, and most of the weight was at the back. I didn't know any better. The van (a Ford Escort) wedged under the armco, and would have looked very much like a Porsche 911, but the engine got in the way.
Mrs P is so much better at all this - she has her PSV (or whatever its called these days), and has had a mobile butty shop and a mobile chippy. She has also many times towed a caravan round Devon and Cornwall, and if you can do that you can do anything. Apart from avoiding speeding tickets tee-hee :)
AJSki2fly
17-06-2022, 05:49
Currently driving a Honda Jazz hire car - pure petrol - automatic. Even though it's a hybrid it's not a plug-in hybrid - and it's very noticeable how rough the brakes are. Compared to "proper" EVs which can often be driven almost completely using the accelerator pedal - depending on settings - this one is decidely not so smooth.
Not sure if driving it in B mode is a good idea as that might work in a different way. The comparable mode in the old Prius we had was useful for going down steep hills.
I'm not totally against the so-called "self charging" hybrids - though that strikes me as a marketing gimmick. Basically they still burn petrol (or perhaps diesel), and with the current prices of combustible fuel are really not great at all. Even on such a hybrid car, the regenerative braking should be better than this one shows.
In other respects it's quite nice to drive.
Non plug in hybrids are a a waste of time for various reasons. They only perform well around cities/towns as soon as you exceed the fossil fuel engine cut in they loose any benefit, on long journey they are less fuel efficient than a non hybrid due to extra weight of battery and motor, their batteries have shortened lives and few if any manufacturers warranty them. Plug in hybrids are not much better due to limited range on battery and most cut over to fossil power at around 50mph.
If you can stick some solar panels on the roof, get a Zappi charger and buy a full electric car with 250+ mileage range, you will be surprised at how easy it is and the savings are great. If your an average driver range anxiety really is not an issue, and even on long journeys you just plan ahead where to recharge and have a break.
Since getting our Tesla model 3 we have done about 3500 miles and are averaging 2p a mile for electric, 85% of recharging done at home. We recently when to Heathrow from East Devon in it and put in 50% of charge in it at Fleet services for £10.99, which took 15 minutes. We got to Heathrow and left the car with 245 miles range, on return after 12 days it had 232 range(Teslas do all sorts of management stuff which means they use just under 1% a day). We drove all the way home and still had 60 miles of rand left.
So we did just over 306 miles total at a cost of 3.6p a mile.
If a 40mpg car it would have cost around 21.5p a mile or a total of £65.64.
If you are going to change cars I would seriously recommend you think full electric there are over 70 to choose from in the UK.
If you are confused by it all then watch these https://youtu.be/9A4ytljB-jo from Robert Llewellyn’s Fully Charged, there are also loads of other reviews of full electric EVs that are informative and independent, also a good series on going green at home.
i like my ev. economic and a nice drive overall. its a bit bangy over rough rds tho due to weight of battery. it can shoot off pdq as well if you wish it to :D
Ninanina
19-06-2022, 13:11
Non plug in hybrids are a a waste of time for various reasons. They only perform well around cities/towns as soon as you exceed the fossil fuel engine cut in they loose any benefit, on long journey they are less fuel efficient than a non hybrid due to extra weight of battery and motor, their batteries have shortened lives and few if any manufacturers warranty them. Plug in hybrids are not much better due to limited range on battery and most cut over to fossil power at around 50mph.
If you can stick some solar panels on the roof, get a Zappi charger and buy a full electric car with 250+ mileage range, you will be surprised at how easy it is and the savings are great. If your an average driver range anxiety really is not an issue, and even on long journeys you just plan ahead where to recharge and have a break.
Since getting our Tesla model 3 we have done about 3500 miles and are averaging 2p a mile for electric, 85% of recharging done at home. We recently when to Heathrow from East Devon in it and put in 50% of charge in it at Fleet services for £10.99, which took 15 minutes. We got to Heathrow and left the car with 245 miles range, on return after 12 days it had 232 range(Teslas do all sorts of management stuff which means they use just under 1% a day). We drove all the way home and still had 60 miles of rand left.
So we did just over 306 miles total at a cost of 3.6p a mile.
If a 40mpg car it would have cost around 21.5p a mile or a total of £65.64.
If you are going to change cars I would seriously recommend you think full electric there are over 70 to choose from in the UK.
If you are confused by it all then watch these https://youtu.be/9A4ytljB-jo from Robert Llewellyn’s Fully Charged, there are also loads of other reviews of full electric EVs that are informative and independent, also a good series on going green at home.
Actually that’s not true. I can’t believe it when test reports say that Hybrids don’t work well, fuel wise, when out of the city
My Prius gets around 45-50 in town but as much as 65 on a long run on motorways etc
AJSki2fly
20-06-2022, 11:43
Actually that’s not true. I can’t believe it when test reports say that Hybrids don’t work well, fuel wise, when out of the city
My Prius gets around 45-50 in town but as much as 65 on a long run on motorways etc
Surprising, real world reports I’ve read report opposite.
Looking at https://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius?engineconfig_id=338&bodytype_id=&submodel_id= you appear to be doing very well on mpg
Surprising, real world reports I’ve read report opposite.
Looking at https://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius?engineconfig_id=338&bodytype_id=&submodel_id= you appear to be doing very well on mpg
Changing the units to U.K. will give you a better picture. ;)
https://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius?engineconfig_id=338&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=
Ninanina
21-06-2022, 03:27
Surprising, real world reports I’ve read report opposite.
Looking at https://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius?engineconfig_id=338&bodytype_id=&submodel_id= you appear to be doing very well on mpg
I know every report I’ve ever read says the same too but I’ve had the Prius over 6 years now and I’ve kept a record of every fill up (I know that’s sad ��…just like to keep an eye on it!) and it’s definitely the case; when I see 55-65 mpg it’s always been on a long run
It’s also a myth about their batteries failing, they just don’t. When you look at the hundreds of Prius for sale it’s extremely rare to read their battery has been changed. There are Prius taxis with 400,000 miles that are still on the original battery
I still get mine serviced and MOT’d at Toyota once a year which includes a Hybrid health check and it sails through. Apart from tyres and a couple of drop links from wear and tear it’s been the most trouble free totally reliable car I’ve ever owned
It’s been so good, and my local Toyota dealer is excellent, that I’m thinking of getting the new shape one. It’s unfortunate that you cannot buy a new Prius now
AJSki2fly
21-06-2022, 10:32
I know every report I’ve ever read says the same too but I’ve had the Prius over 6 years now and I’ve kept a record of every fill up (I know that’s sad ��…just like to keep an eye on it!) and it’s definitely the case; when I see 55-65 mpg it’s always been on a long run
It’s also a myth about their batteries failing, they just don’t. When you look at the hundreds of Prius for sale it’s extremely rare to read their battery has been changed. There are Prius taxis with 400,000 miles that are still on the original battery
I still get mine serviced and MOT’d at Toyota once a year which includes a Hybrid health check and it sails through. Apart from tyres and a couple of drop links from wear and tear it’s been the most trouble free totally reliable car I’ve ever owned
It’s been so good, and my local Toyota dealer is excellent, that I’m thinking of getting the new shape one. It’s unfortunate that you cannot buy a new Prius now
Go fully electric, fossil fuel will continue to rise, expect £10-12/gallon by end of year, and once up their it’s unlikely to drop. Electric even at 35p/kWh is about 1/3 the cost.
Go fully electric, fossil fuel will continue to rise, expect £10-12/gallon by end of year, and once up their it’s unlikely to drop. Electric even at 35p/kWh is about 1/3 the cost.
im under £18 for a full 64kwh charge. thats at 28p a unit. that takes me well over 300 miles(summer)
Pieoftheday
22-06-2022, 16:52
Well here goes anyway, I have a 2009 yamaha fz6 s2, 1st registered in 2016 but only went on the road April 2021 when I bought it. Great bike ,i think but the brakes could do better, not much initial bite and feel a bit spongy, theres no brushing off speed with a feather lite two finger's it's a more old skool grab a handful! So I'm looking to improve. I recall many years ago, braided hoses were the very thing to get rid of the spongy feel,does this still hold true? Ta
brake fluid could be passed its best, or/and you might need to bleed them. it does absorb water even if not being used.
Pieoftheday
22-06-2022, 17:04
brake fluid could be passed its best, or/and you might need to bleed them. it does absorb water even if not being used.
Hi Grant, the dealer replaced all fluids, as it had been stood 12 years and did a PDI as per a brand new bike , Jim
I suppose it depends on how bad they are, but if poor i would be getting the fluid checked anyway as a starting point. any bike i had, had pretty decent brakes.
Pigmy Pony
22-06-2022, 18:05
As Grant says. Yamaha's Fazer/FZ models inherited their technology from previous Thundercat and R6s. The brakes should be nothing short of excellent straight out of the box, and for 'normal' riding, upgrading hoses shouldn't be necessary.
I'd be inclined to take the dealer's claims about brakes overhaul with a pinch of salt and seek an assessment elsewhere.
dave2010
22-06-2022, 19:48
Non plug in hybrids are a a waste of time for various reasons. Chacun à son goût.I think it very much depends on needs and how much driving one does. Many people only drive a few miles each day - maybe a 40 mile trip max, so if a plug-in hybrid can do that then it is a reasonable thing to do. However, there is not a great deal of point if the car only does a few long distance trips a year - in that case a pure EV car is a better bet. The so called "self charging" hybrids - that's just a marketing gimmick to make buyers think the manufacturers are trying to be environmentally friendly. I think that is called greenwashing. Some manufacturers - for example Toyata - do have good hybrid EVs which are not plug-in models, but that only improves the petrol consumption a tad. Some of them can do about 70 mpg - but they are still polluting. In some areas Toyota has sold those deliberately (maybe in the US) to satisfy regulatory bodies so that they can then sell huge gas guzzling SUVs or similar.
The plug-in hybrids might be of interest to people who do a mix of short and long trips.
If you are going to change cars I would seriously recommend you think full electric there are over 70 to choose from in the UK.
Indeed - that's why we have two EVs, plus one petrol car with a convertible hard top which we haven't quite decided what to do with. The Tesla Model 3 is good on a nice day - but quite often it has problems. Tesla's service is lousy. It will do 300 miles in one go - if the weather isn't bad. Charging at Tesla chargers is very fast. The Renault Zoe is great for round town, and it will also go quite a long way. 200 miles is feasible, though it's affected by weather quite badly.
I am still thinking of doing test drives in the Ford EV, and the Porsche. I expect the Porsche to beat the Tesla, but at over £80k it really ought to. Few of the other EVs really match the Tesla Model 3, or the Renault Zoe.
Many people just don't want to change, and want to hang on to their petrol or diesel cars - which makes sense up to a point, but if those are nearing the end of their useful (reliable?) life, then going to EVs is definitely a way to go - though maybe consider a plug-in hybrid EV+petrol if mainly short journeys are done.
dave2010
22-06-2022, 19:55
I know every report I’ve ever read says the same too but I’ve had the Prius over 6 years now and I’ve kept a record of every fill up (I know that’s sad ��…just like to keep an eye on it!) and it’s definitely the case; when I see 55-65 mpg it’s always been on a long run
It’s also a myth about their batteries failing, they just don’t. When you look at the hundreds of Prius for sale it’s extremely rare to read their battery has been changed. There are Prius taxis with 400,000 miles that are still on the original battery
I loved my Prius - and I could get 55 mpg most of the time without any specially delicate driving. Eventually though the battery did fail - so it's not a total myth that the batteries fail - but that was after 12 or so years. Lockdown did not do it any favours. I know people with a couple of Priuses - one older than mine was, and one newer one. They said that the new one had better mpg, which they reckoned was 70 mpg.
AJSki2fly
22-06-2022, 20:17
Chacun à son goût.I think it very much depends on needs and how much driving one does. Many people only drive a few miles each day - maybe a 40 mile trip max, so if a plug-in hybrid can do that then it is a reasonable thing to do. However, there is not a great deal of point if the car only does a few long distance trips a year - in that case a pure EV car is a better bet. The so called "self charging" hybrids - that's just a marketing gimmick to make buyers think the manufacturers are trying to be environmentally friendly. I think that is called greenwashing. Some manufacturers - for example Toyata - do have good hybrid EVs which are not plug-in models, but that only improves the petrol consumption a tad. Some of them can do about 70 mpg - but they are still polluting. In some areas Toyota has sold those deliberately (maybe in the US) to satisfy regulatory bodies so that they can then sell huge gas guzzling SUVs or similar.
The plug-in hybrids might be of interest to people who do a mix of short and long trips.
Indeed - that's why we have two EVs, plus one petrol car with a convertible hard top which we haven't quite decided what to do with. The Tesla Model 3 is good on a nice day - but quite often it has problems. Tesla's service is lousy. It will do 300 miles in one go - if the weather isn't bad. Charging at Tesla chargers is very fast. The Renault Zoe is great for round town, and it will also go quite a long way. 200 miles is feasible, though it's affected by weather quite badly.
I am still thinking of doing test drives in the Ford EV, and the Porsche. I expect the Porsche to beat the Tesla, but at over £80k it really ought to. Few of the other EVs really match the Tesla Model 3, or the Renault Zoe.
Many people just don't want to change, and want to hang on to their petrol or diesel cars - which makes sense up to a point, but if those are nearing the end of their useful (reliable?) life, then going to EVs is definitely a way to go - though maybe consider a plug-in hybrid EV+petrol if mainly short journeys are done.
I don’t think many will hang to ICE vehicles for long if fuel keeps going up, it’s very noticeable here in noddy Devon how quiet the roads have got over the last two months, and it’s usually busy this time of year with grockles.
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dave2010
22-06-2022, 22:37
I don’t think many will hang to ICE vehicles for long if fuel keeps going up, it’s very noticeable here in noddy Devon how quiet the roads have got over the last two months, and it’s usually busy this time of year with grockles.
I think it depends on how much driving people want/have to do. Other factors include whether work is going to pay. I have met people on different sides of the ICE/plug-in/EV discussion who find that if their work pays for fuel/electricity in some way that affects their behaviour. Some have EVs with very low range, but they don't care as it's just enough to get them to and from work, and work is going to pay. There are other people who don't even know how to drive a plug-in hybrid in EV mode, and they don't care as if they get the fuel paid for by their employer they are really not that bothered.
The fuel factor is not completely insignificant though. Although the Tesla Model 3 costs more than a Prius, and in some ways they are similar [though the Tesla has far more instantaneous power] there is likely to be a £15k difference in price if bought from new. However for any one doing the basic maths- and there is quite a bit of variation and wiggle room there - the likelihood is that comparing cars over (say) a 9 year period, the total cost of an EV will turn out to be less - based on comparing initial costs and fuel costs alone. Additional factors are likely to be maintenance plus taxation, which seem likely to favour EVs over shorter periods, plus as has been noted petrol costs are likely to increase. Electricity costs will also increase, but the likelihood - at least in the short term - is that they won't rise faster than petrol prices.
For people who can afford new, or nearly new, EVs those will tend to have a price advantage over ICE vehicles in the years to come. OTOH until ICE cars are totally banned, less well off people may find that they can afford an older 2nd hand car, but not be able to switch to EVs as some vehicles will maintain high prices even in the after use markets.
Re the state of the roads, there are many people right now trying to go round the NC500, and I'm guessing that trying to get to Applecross the hard way (over the very steep mountain road) is going to be hard just now.
I don’t think many will hang to ICE vehicles for long if fuel keeps going up, it’s very noticeable here in noddy Devon how quiet the roads have got over the last two months, and it’s usually busy this time of year with grockles.
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ive noticed a lot less taxis in area. more are walking into town etc.
There is certainly a lot less traffic on my street, I especially notice it on weekday mornings. Maybe more people thinking twice now before getting in their cars and driving around pointlessly? Or lots still working from home?
I noticed that the local primary school has a campaign going to encourage parents to walk their children there instead of driving them.
AJSki2fly
23-06-2022, 08:34
I think it depends on how much driving people want/have to do. Other factors include whether work is going to pay. I have met people on different sides of the ICE/plug-in/EV discussion who find that if their work pays for fuel/electricity in some way that affects their behaviour. Some have EVs with very low range, but they don't care as it's just enough to get them to and from work, and work is going to pay. There are other people who don't even know how to drive a plug-in hybrid in EV mode, and they don't care as if they get the fuel paid for by their employer they are really not that bothered.
The fuel factor is not completely insignificant though. Although the Tesla Model 3 costs more than a Prius, and in some ways they are similar [though the Tesla has far more instantaneous power] there is likely to be a £15k difference in price if bought from new. However for any one doing the basic maths- and there is quite a bit of variation and wiggle room there - the likelihood is that comparing cars over (say) a 9 year period, the total cost of an EV will turn out to be less - based on comparing initial costs and fuel costs alone. Additional factors are likely to be maintenance plus taxation, which seem likely to favour EVs over shorter periods, plus as has been noted petrol costs are likely to increase. Electricity costs will also increase, but the likelihood - at least in the short term - is that they won't rise faster than petrol prices.
For people who can afford new, or nearly new, EVs those will tend to have a price advantage over ICE vehicles in the years to come. OTOH until ICE cars are totally banned, less well off people may find that they can afford an older 2nd hand car, but not be able to switch to EVs as some vehicles will maintain high prices even in the after use markets.
Re the state of the roads, there are many people right now trying to go round the NC500, and I'm guessing that trying to get to Applecross the hard way (over the very steep mountain road) is going to be hard just now.
You make some interesting points, but I think that the majority of the general public have just not woken up to the EV evolution yet or understand it is coming fast whether they like it or not.
We still have the Top Gear boys who believe the only proper propulsion method is a powerful ICE driven vehicle that makes lots of noise and puts out gasses. Then there is the frightened of new technology and stick in the muds who fear change, probably quite a few of these.
In fact most of our friends and relatives fall into that bucket, all we hear is we couldn’t have one we’d worry about the battery going flat, there is not enough chargers, EVs are unreliable, how could you leave it at the airport didn’t the battery go flat, they are expensive to run, I like my ICE car I know how it works, ICE vehicles will be here in 20 years. All complete utter rubbish, they just do not understand them in any real world way, and what really makes me laugh is hardly any of them have the faintest idea how their ICE vehicle works, all they understand is they drive it to a filling station put fuel in drive it around for 400-600 miles and refill it(usually locally 95% of the time) and repeat.
The Tesla and Tesla UK owners club earlier this year had a meeting with the Dept. Of Transport(DOT) to raise and discuss a number of issues on EV roll out/take up, charging infrastructure, semi-auto and fully autonomous driving. What was very clear from the meetings report was that the government was making clear steps to ensure:-
Electric DNOs (district network operators) prioritised and brought new charging stations online in much shorter timescales, the finance from industry and government and kit is there it just needs rolling out and is seen as a major DOT priority.
The 2030 no more new ICE cars (certainly in the UK) is a will happen as far as the government is concerned and further measures will be taken to encourage the move to full EVs, it is part of the zero carbon plan and the move away from fossil fuel reliability long term. I think this will not necessarily be EV incentives to own more likely making the cost of ICE vehicles new or old more expensive to buy and run.
Moving to semi and fully automated driving in the not too far distance future is seen by the government as a major step in lowering road accidents substantially and saving lives and major costs from accidents. I think fully automated will at least initially be predominately on motorways and major dual carriageways. In fact the DOT said that legislation was already in place for it to happen now, and said Tesla and other manufacturers were holding back on this and should be pushing forward. It was stated that Grant Shapps has taken part and experienced fully automated driving on UK roads and has seen test results from a variety of vehicle test bodies(manufacturer independent) showing that autonomous driving is safer than human driven vehicles. Discussions are also underway with insurance bodies to show the risks are less with semi and fully autonomous driving. I personally was quite surprised by this DOT position, but having experienced Tesla auto-pilot and knowing the Fully Autonomous Driving(FAD) adds only a little more it is not surprising really.
I am sure some of the points/facts I have posted here will annoy or even worry some but whether people like it or not the EV revolution is happening and is accelerating very quickly. If anything sadly the impact of the Ukraine war whilst it has it has slowed car production generally in the short term it has also as we know forced fossil fuel prices up and resulted in EV sales doubling in one year. If you don’t believe it’s happening then go and ask the CEO of the VW group why they have stopped all development of ICE across the group and are stopping production of ICE vehicles when practical for each line(this may be sooner than planned due to parts supply issue, better to focus on the future). VW is just one example, other major manufacturers are also making the shift.
I would like to point out that I have been a petrolhead all my life, and without going into them all have owned at least 35 sports cars over the past 46 years. I have personally worked on and maintained many, I rebuilt an E-Type over 6 years, did some sprinting, track days, and hill climbing. I have loved petrol cars and still do but recognise that in this modern world they are of the past not the future, we as a society and human race need to clean up our act and going as green as possible as soon as possible. Getting rid of ICE vehicles is not going to solve all the planets global warming issues, but it is part of the puzzle and will play a big part in that.
Think about it, if you have children and/or grand-children what do you want to leave behind for them to inherit?
An unbearably hot planet with totally erratic extreme weather systems, large areas of the planet inhabitable due to extreme temperatures resulting in over-population in liveable parts of the world, increased sea levels causing mass population migrations and so on. Alternatively we can all do something to help stop that happening, it’s not an easy move or necessarily cheap(at the moment) but everything everyone does does will help in the short and long term.
You make some interesting points, but I think that the majority of the general public have just not woken up to the EV evolution yet or understand it is coming fast whether they like it or not.
We still have the Top Gear boys who believe the only proper propulsion method is a powerful ICE driven vehicle that makes lots of noise and puts out gasses. Then there is the frightened of new technology and stick in the muds who fear change, probably quite a few of these.
In fact most of our friends and relatives fall into that bucket, all we hear is we couldn’t have one we’d worry about the battery going flat, there is not enough chargers, EVs are unreliable, how could you leave it at the airport didn’t the battery go flat, they are expensive to run, I like my ICE car I know how it works, ICE vehicles will be here in 20 years. All complete utter rubbish, they just do not understand them in any real world way, and what really makes me laugh is hardly any of them have the faintest idea how their ICE vehicle works, all they understand is they drive it to a filling station put fuel in drive it around for 400-600 miles and refill it(usually locally 95% of the time) and repeat.
The Tesla and Tesla UK owners club earlier this year had a meeting with the Dept. Of Transport(DOT) to raise and discuss a number of issues on EV roll out/take up, charging infrastructure, semi-auto and fully autonomous driving. What was very clear from the meetings report was that the government was making clear steps to ensure:-
Electric DNOs (district network operators) prioritised and brought new charging stations online in much shorter timescales, the finance from industry and government and kit is there it just needs rolling out and is seen as a major DOT priority.
The 2030 no more new ICE cars (certainly in the UK) is a will happen as far as the government is concerned and further measures will be taken to encourage the move to full EVs, it is part of the zero carbon plan and the move away from fossil fuel reliability long term. I think this will not necessarily be EV incentives to own more likely making the cost of ICE vehicles new or old more expensive to buy and run.
Moving to semi and fully automated driving in the not too far distance future is seen by the government as a major step in lowering road accidents substantially and saving lives and major costs from accidents. I think fully automated will at least initially be predominately on motorways and major dual carriageways. In fact the DOT said that legislation was already in place for it to happen now, and said Tesla and other manufacturers were holding back on this and should be pushing forward. It was stated that Grant Shapps has taken part and experienced fully automated driving on UK roads and has seen test results from a variety of vehicle test bodies(manufacturer independent) showing that autonomous driving is safer than human driven vehicles. Discussions are also underway with insurance bodies to show the risks are less with semi and fully autonomous driving. I personally was quite surprised by this DOT position, but having experienced Tesla auto-pilot and knowing the Fully Autonomous Driving(FAD) adds only a little more it is not surprising really.
I am sure some of the points/facts I have posted here will annoy or even worry some but whether people like it or not the EV revolution is happening and is accelerating very quickly. If anything sadly the impact of the Ukraine war whilst it has it has slowed car production generally in the short term it has also as we know forced fossil fuel prices up and resulted in EV sales doubling in one year. If you don’t believe it’s happening then go and ask the CEO of the VW group why they have stopped all development of ICE across the group and are stopping production of ICE vehicles when practical for each line(this may be sooner than planned due to parts supply issue, better to focus on the future). VW is just one example, other major manufacturers are also making the shift.
I would like to point out that I have been a petrolhead all my life, and without going into them all have owned at least 35 sports cars over the past 46 years. I have personally worked on and maintained many, I rebuilt an E-Type over 6 years, did some sprinting, track days, and hill climbing. I have loved petrol cars and still do but recognise that in this modern world they are of the past not the future, we as a society and human race need to clean up our act and going as green as possible as soon as possible. Getting rid of ICE vehicles is not going to solve all the planets global warming issues, but it is part of the puzzle and will play a big part in that.
Think about it, if you have children and/or grand-children what do you want to leave behind for them to inherit?
An unbearably hot planet with totally erratic extreme weather systems, large areas of the planet inhabitable due to extreme temperatures resulting in over-population in liveable parts of the world, increased sea levels causing mass population migrations and so on. Alternatively we can all do something to help stop that happening, it’s not an easy move or necessarily cheap(at the moment) but everything everyone does does will help in the short and long term.
alas this will happen irrelavent of fad evs. the planet as we know it is doomed as most of the polluting countries wont change in time if at all. power stations burning coal, gas, oil etc will go on for decades at a similar rate. USA isnt really interested and africa, asia, russia etc; well they wont either for whatever reasons. Unfortunately its a global issue and us doing our bit is laudable but wont really scratch a pimple.
AJSki2fly
23-06-2022, 10:04
alas this will happen irrelavent of fad evs. the planet as we know it is doomed as most of the polluting countries wont change in time if at all. power stations burning coal, gas, oil etc will go on for decades at a similar rate. USA isnt really interested and africa, asia, russia etc; well they wont either for whatever reasons. Unfortunately its a global issue and us doing our bit is laudable but wont really scratch a pimple.
Unfortunately if you are correct in that doom laden analysis then our planet is likely become rather ungovernable, people will be migrating all over the place to try and get a better life, its bad enough as it is already driven by wars, poverty and persecution. Sometimes I really despair at the human race, so immensely clever yet hugely stupid. Perhaps the world is destined to become a dystopian world something along the lines of 'The Hunger Games' or a solar system something like that portrayed in the Expanse series. Perhaps those who are rich enough and are aiming to get their kids or grand-children to off-world in the next 30 years have it right?
Unfortunately if you are correct in that doom laden analysis then our planet is likely become rather ungovernable, people will be migrating all over the place to try and get a better life, its bad enough as it is already driven by wars, poverty and persecution. Sometimes I really despair at the human race, so immensely clever yet hugely stupid. Perhaps the world is destined to become a dystopian world something along the lines of 'The Hunger Games' or a solar system something like that portrayed in the Expanse series. Perhaps those who are rich enough and are aiming to get their kids or grand-children to off-world in the next 30 years have it right?
soylent green comes to mind for me. thats if we dont blow world up first
soylent green comes to mind for me. thats if we dont blow world up first
https://i.ibb.co/6yDcp0K/soylent-3.webp (https://ibb.co/yNgmMFz)
walpurgis
23-06-2022, 12:58
Do they do a vegan version? :D
Do they do a vegan version? :D
thats the vegan version... lots of extra vegan girls in it :ner:
Pigmy Pony
23-06-2022, 17:22
Where are we on electric aeroplanes?
We can all do our bit to save the planet, in fact we are being made to do our bit. Which I'm fine with, but without the rest of the world getting on board (not just industry but also all those who like to tear-arse around the globe in jets to attend "important" meetings (jollies really) to chat the same shit they could just as easily say via web cam, then we are really (in the words of late comedian Sean Locke) just turning up to the aftermath of an earthquake with a dustpan and brush.
In fact lets do away with all foreign travel and embrace staycationing. Britain is enjoying warmer summers thanks to climate change, and even the crappiest ev will have enough range to make it to the seaside and back. If we did this we really would be doing our bit, but I doubt it will happen.
Where are we on electric aeroplanes?
We can all do our bit to save the planet, in fact we are being made to do our bit. Which I'm fine with, but without the rest of the world getting on board (not just industry but also all those who like to tear-arse around the globe in jets to attend "important" meetings (jollies really) to chat the same shit they could just as easily say via web cam, then we are really (in the words of late comedian Sean Locke) just turning up to the aftermath of an earthquake with a dustpan and brush.
In fact lets do away with all foreign travel and embrace staycationing. Britain is enjoying warmer summers thanks to climate change, and even the crappiest ev will have enough range to make it to the seaside and back. If we did this we really would be doing our bit, but I doubt it will happen.
Why just electric?
Several studies of hydrogen fuelled aircraft are being carried out.
I was offered a job down here to go and convert an ATR to hydrogen.
Given the output of a hydrogen power cell is water, would that not mean that if you live below the flight path of an international airport it's going to rain every five minutes or so?
You might get a few more clouds.
AJSki2fly
24-06-2022, 08:34
Where are we on electric aeroplanes?
We can all do our bit to save the planet, in fact we are being made to do our bit. Which I'm fine with, but without the rest of the world getting on board (not just industry but also all those who like to tear-arse around the globe in jets to attend "important" meetings (jollies really) to chat the same shit they could just as easily say via web cam, then we are really (in the words of late comedian Sean Locke) just turning up to the aftermath of an earthquake with a dustpan and brush.
In fact lets do away with all foreign travel and embrace staycationing. Britain is enjoying warmer summers thanks to climate change, and even the crappiest ev will have enough range to make it to the seaside and back. If we did this we really would be doing our bit, but I doubt it will happen.
A couple of interesting articles on future of EP's
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200617-the-largest-electric-plane-ever-to-fly
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/electric-aircraft/index.html
dont see it improving any until new battery types are developed; something that could happen anytime of course as they are constantly beavering away at it.
Pigmy Pony
24-06-2022, 18:21
Shell are currently running a TV ad telling us just how green they've become. Part of the blurb is their intention to have 50,000 charge points by the year 2025. That's another two years to get us to about what, about half of 1% of the chargers we need?
Some previous posts make mention of hydrogen aeroplanes - what is wrong with going in that direction with cars? Is it to do with cost? As I see it evs are going to be unaffordable for many for quite some time anyway.
AJSki2fly
24-06-2022, 20:29
Shell are currently running a TV ad telling us just how green they've become. Part of the blurb is their intention to have 50,000 charge points by the year 2025. That's another two years to get us to about what, about half of 1% of the chargers we need?
Some previous posts make mention of hydrogen aeroplanes - what is wrong with going in that direction with cars? Is it to do with cost? As I see it evs are going to be unaffordable for many for quite some time anyway.
I don’t get what your talking about with respect numbers of chargers needed? They are talking superchargers for fast charging.
Hydrogen is expensive to produce as you use lots of energy, there are two main methods from coal which produces lots Of co2, so that’s a looser, or from water using lots of electrical energy and metal plates, similar to an old acid battery.
Hydrogen in planes is problematic as the weight of the canister to store the linguistic hydrogen is prohibitive.
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linguistic hydrogen? :scratch: Does that mean hydrogen can speak protium, deuterium, and tritium? :eyebrows:
Pigmy Pony
24-06-2022, 21:59
I don’t get what your talking about with respect numbers of chargers needed? They are talking superchargers for fast charging.
Hydrogen is expensive to produce as you use lots of energy, there are two main methods from coal which produces lots Of co2, so that’s a looser, or from water using lots of electrical energy and metal plates, similar to an old acid battery.
Hydrogen in planes is problematic as the weight of the canister to store the linguistic hydrogen is prohibitive.
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No, I don't know how many chargers Britain will need, it just seems like 50,000 chargers (fast or otherwise) will fall far short of what will be needed if ev car sales increase as quickly as they are. But I'm asking these questions as I'd rather get answers from actual owners such as yourself, Grant, CageyH etc. than draw on the manufacturers' advertising blurb.
I'm not a naysayer, I really do hope it all works out for everyone, but I'm just not quite convinced... I stand by my 'staycation' idea though - air travel needs to be tackled.
As for hydrogen power, I know just as little about that. It just seems that at one time it looked like it might be the answer, then it all went a bit quiet.
One more thing - should I be thinking about selling my bike? If petrol becomes unaffordable, will the bike's value be affected?
AJSki2fly
25-06-2022, 07:00
No, I don't know how many chargers Britain will need, it just seems like 50,000 chargers (fast or otherwise) will fall far short of what will be needed if ev car sales increase as quickly as they are. But I'm asking these questions as I'd rather get answers from actual owners such as yourself, Grant, CageyH etc. than draw on the manufacturers' advertising blurb.
I'm not a naysayer, I really do hope it all works out for everyone, but I'm just not quite convinced... I stand by my 'staycation' idea though - air travel needs to be tackled.
As for hydrogen power, I know just as little about that. It just seems that at one time it looked like it might be the answer, then it all went a bit quiet.
One more thing - should I be thinking about selling my bike? If petrol becomes unaffordable, will the bike's value be affected?
I think I am correct in saying that there are actually more public EV chargers in the UK than there are fossil fuel pumps. If you go onto Zap-Map.com and look for all chargers I think you’ll be surprised. However there are some issues, a lot of these are less than 22kwh chargers so take too long practically.
To put this perspective if you plugged an EV into one for an hour in a car park then you would put 22kw of power in it, most EVs give a range of 3.5 to 4 miles per Kw so you be adding around 77-88 miles of range, which is fine if you are on a relatively local journey. But there are also a lot of lower 7-11 kWh chargers around at supermarkets and car parks and to be honest you might as well charge the EV at home on a home charger unless your desperate.
What really is the main need for EV charging is a greater number of what is called Superchargers, these are generally consider to be 50khw or greater, I believe the Tesla ones are all over 120kwh. A reasonable range EV today has a 55-80kwh battery storage so doing the math to charge up a on a 50kwh would take 1-1.5hours, a 120kwh charger 25-40mins and on a 250kwh one 12-19minutes. By the way these are high voltage chargers and for most EV batteries it is recommended to only charge with these to 80% of full capacity, on my Tesla 80% battery is around 300-320 miles depending on air temperature, which is fine.
A couple of things Tesla has started to open its Supercharger network up to everyone, 15 of them across the country, they are also tripling the number of chargers over the next two years and will make more available to other EV users.
EVs and peoples perception, generally from those who have never driven one, is ‘range anxiety’, put simply it’s the panic feeling of running out of fuel when you think you cannot get to a fuelling point. This is actually nonsense it is no different whether you have a ICE vehicle or an EV the same applies. What people fail to realise is that 90-95% of the journeys they undertake are local and within 25 miles of there home, so even if a car 80 miles of range available, irrespective of the fuel, it will not run out before being able to be refuelled. So now we come to the longer journeys, even a daily commute of 120 miles in an EV with a total range if 200 miles is doable, it just needs to be plugged in overnight to put around 30-35kwh of power back in, which will take about 4-4.5 hours on a 7kwh home charger. For the journeys that are longer than the vehicles range you just need to stop en-route to put more juice in, no different to a fossil fuel vehicle, this is where fast(superchargers) come in, you pull up, plug up, stretch your legs have a coffee and get on you way after 15-20minutes, actually most fossil fuel fill ups take around at least ten minutes, think about it.
As for your motorbike, if it’s not rare it is likely to loose value pretty quickly as petrol costs rise and becomes less cost effective to use, but that may not be why you own it. However if you haven’t already looked or tried one an electric motor bike might tickle your fancy, they are frighteningly quick, and pretty efficient, oddly quiet, just the rush of the wind.
Go onto YouTube and search for ‘Fully Charged’ and then watch the series ‘Maddie goes electric’ 6 programs about 20 minutes each and it will answer and clarify most peoples questions about EVs. Robert Llewelyn has also done some excellent EV reviews and podcasts about EVs, he has owned an EV since 2010 and talks from personal experience.
there is about 4k rapid or better chargers in uk; most will be in london area tho. think there are about 20k(edit, actually now over 24k) all told, but most will be 7k ones; petrol pumps im not sure but think petrol stations have been reducing quite a lot in last few years. maybe 8k stations and each will have a few pumps.
Might add there are lots of private ones too, which some folk open up access to for others(mostly neighbours)
walpurgis
25-06-2022, 08:03
Some Chinese cars come without their own battery. The batteries are designed for quick exchange and leased to the vehicle owner, who pops in for a quick substitution of a fully charged fresh pack when necessary. It takes moments apparently and is competitive on price. I can see this becoming popular, especially as the battery supply network expands. The only negative that springs to mind is battery theft may be too easy.
You're doing a long journey in your EV, running short of power but no worries there's a service station en route with fast chargers. You get there but they are all in use and there's a queue.
Now what do you do? You can't just go in for a bite to eat and a coffee as when someone finishes charging someone else will take the charger. So you have to sit in your car in the queue waiting.
Now you're late for whatever it was you were travelling to - maybe a job interview or a sales appointment or something equally important to you.
I agree most journeys are short but when they aren't I can see it being an additional ball-ache that people don't want or need.
Another scenario - you are tootling down the M6 and run into a traffic jam. You did have enough power but the jam lasts for hours, you are edging forward so still using power even if you switch off the radio and the air con. Maybe it is dark so you still need the lights.
Now you run out of power and that's it. Not like you can walk down the hard shoulder to a service station and get a can of electricity.
Later you find out the tailback was caused by some other EV running out of power...
there will be times when it becomes damned inconvienient. but most trips(well over 90%) are of under 30 miles each way, so its not going to cause an issue for most of time. There are cars that do over 400 miles now too. that will increase too. outwith winter i will likely get close to 300; maybe more.
Deffo need more rapid/ex rapid chargers tho. You at moment just have to plan your long trip, and make sure you have several options if first is not working etc. Ive never gone anywhere far enough to try it out tho lol
Another scenario - you are tootling down the M6 and run into a traffic jam. You did have enough power but the jam lasts for hours, you are edging forward so still using power even if you switch off the radio and the air con. Maybe it is dark so you still need the lights.
Now you run out of power and that's it. Not like you can walk down the hard shoulder to a service station and get a can of electricity.
Later you find out the tailback was caused by some other EV running out of power...
Thats an interesting one which has been tested. The car will not run out of leccy just sitting or crawling etc. there is a surprising amount of power in those big batteries. THink they did a several hr test and it used less than 5%.
with air con on all time it obviously used more. i might add but still it wasnt an issue.
edit... was looking there and an average american home uses 30kwh of power a day, so an average uk car battery would last 2 days give or take.. thats a lot, and shows how much power is in a battery.
For some users it will be fine but I think you are under-estimating the amount of long journeys many people have to make on a regular basis. What about reps doing 2000 miles a week?
Really the ICE was what made cars desirable to begin with. The earliest cars were electric, it didn't catch on.
It's not the range that is the real problem with an EV , it's the time it takes to refuel when you reach the limit. Maybe if service stations had a charger for every single parking space you might cover it, but even then it's half an hour wait just to get an extra 75 miles? Plus it's a captive audience so they can charge what they like, as they already do in the restaurants, filling station and shop.
This is before we address the question of how all this extra electric power requirement is going to be generated in the first place. Nuclear is the only answer currently on the table and people don't want that either.
Thats an interesting one which has been tested. The car will not run out of leccy just sitting or crawling etc. there is a surprising amount of power in those big batteries. THink they did a several hr test and it used less than 5%.
with air con on all time it obviously used more. i might add but still it wasnt an issue
I don't get that. If you are using power it will eventually run out. Even if you still have some left by the time the hold up is cleared, is it enough to get you to the next charging point? Which of course will be full of people waiting to charge who have also burned most of their power going no-where.
For some users it will be fine but I think you are under-estimating the amount of long journeys many people have to make on a regular basis. What about reps doing 2000 miles a week?
Really the ICE was what made cars desirable to begin with. The earliest cars were electric, it didn't catch on.
It's not the range that is the real problem with an EV , it's the time it takes to refuel when you reach the limit. Maybe if service stations had a charger for every single parking space you might cover it, but even then it's half an hour wait just to get an extra 75 miles? Plus it's a captive audience so they can charge what they like, as they already do in the restaurants, filling station and shop.
This is before we address the question of how all this extra electric power requirement is going to be generated in the first place. Nuclear is the only answer currently on the table and people don't want that either.
for now, sure the ice still has a part to play until charging and battery tech improves; which it will. the lith ion battery already has its gravestone picked out.
I've got one of those battery-power hoovers, very handy but when it runs out it takes hours for the battery to re-charge. Needless to say it often runs out of power when you are half-way through the job.
Obviously not as big a ball-ache as being stuck with no power on the M6 at 11 o'clock at night, but still a pain that we didn't used to have to endure.
I don't get that. If you are using power it will eventually run out. Even if you still have some left by the time the hold up is cleared, is it enough to get you to the next charging point? Which of course will be full of people waiting to charge who have also burned most of their power going no-where.
The consumer watchdog sat in a stationary EV to simulate a traffic jam, with lights, temperature and air-con left on, music and video playing and a charger plugged in. In just over an hour and 15 minutes, it discovered the vehicle had lost just 2% of battery from a 77kWh battery – the equivalent of only 8 miles' range.13 Aug 2021
for now, sure the ice still has a part to play until charging and battery tech improves; which it will. the lith ion battery already has its gravestone picked out.
Yes we can place our faith in new tech I suppose, it is the only thing that will make it properly workable, and I'm mindful of the fact that Victorian scientists calculated that UK cities would be overcome by horse manure by the middle of the 20th century, you don't know what is down the pipe although sometimes it's nothing.
Will still need clean fusion power to happen before there is the power generation capacity for everyone to have an EV though. That doesn't seem to be getting any closer. Really when you look at the reality of it the idea that everyone can move to an electric car is a complete fantasy. Some people are making money out of it though.
some of the future tech that may or may not work. who knows what they will think of next?
https://www.greencars.com/guides/the-future-of-ev-batteries
and one for future maybe too.. solid state rechargeable
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/solid-state-battery-ev/
some of the future tech that may or may not work. who knows what they will think of next?
https://www.greencars.com/guides/the-future-of-ev-batteries
and one for future maybe too.. solid state rechargeable
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/solid-state-battery-ev/
lots of potential but still doesn't get around the problem of generating enough electrical power to supply all the chargers in the first place.
lots of potential but still doesn't get around the problem of generating enough electrical power to supply all the chargers in the first place.
yeah it might well be an issue. they had plans to use home charging car batteries as storage during peak periods.. im betting that doesnt work.
up here we actually generate more than we need, and most of it renewable but not down south. they seem to want it, and buy it from us, but do not want it situated in their back yard.
walpurgis
25-06-2022, 09:26
One day electric cars will charge as they drive along, probably via induction loops under the road surface (a bit like the charger pads for mobiles). I expect motorways would be the first to get them. Imagine the holdups when they start closing lanes to get that done, it'll go on for years.
One day electric cars will charge as they drive along, probably via induction loops under the road surface (a bit like the charger pads for mobiles). I expect motorways would be the first to get them. Imagine the holdups when they start closing lanes to get that done, it'll go on for years.
although its not overly common, if they catch fire, boy they catch fire :eek:
one tesla in usa caught fire in a scrapyard, several days after it was involved in an accident. The fire brigade couldnt get it to stay out so dug a biggish hole and pushed car into it and filled it with water. They used 4500 gallons of h2o, which is the amount they would use on a large building fire. interesting and scary it took several days to go on fire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/22/tesla-fire-sacramento/
up here we actually generate more than we need, and most of it renewable .
You do now but what about when everyone in Scotland has an EV?
acht we'll build another whirlygig:D
Pigmy Pony
25-06-2022, 12:06
yeah it might well be an issue. they had plans to use home charging car batteries as storage during peak periods.. im betting that doesnt work.
up here we actually generate more than we need, and most of it renewable but not down south. they seem to want it, and buy it from us, but do not want it situated in their back yard.
Speaking of which, perhaps anyone with more than a quarter acre of land will be compelled to accommodate a wind turbine or solar panels. I would vote for solar - last week I camped about 100 metres from a wind turbine, and it made a right old racket.
AJSki2fly
26-06-2022, 07:45
although its not overly common, if they catch fire, boy they catch fire :eek:
one tesla in usa caught fire in a scrapyard, several days after it was involved in an accident. The fire brigade couldnt get it to stay out so dug a biggish hole and pushed car into it and filled it with water. They used 4500 gallons of h2o, which is the amount they would use on a large building fire. interesting and scary it took several days to go on fire.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/22/tesla-fire-sacramento/
Throwing water on a Lithium fire is really not the right thing to do, what we’re they thinking?throwing it in a hole a covering it with dry sand to starve of o2 should have worked.
AJSki2fly
26-06-2022, 08:02
lots of potential but still doesn't get around the problem of generating enough electrical power to supply all the chargers in the first place.
I used to think the same but the national grid has said it has enough spare off peak power to charge EVs. I think this is based on the fact that there is lots of unused potential green energy from wind that has to be regularly turned off or it will overload the grid. They are also building vast Terrawatt storage facilities so that the energy can be saved for use at peak times.
Also there are interesting investigations into used car batteries as hive storage to power the grid. This is being tested I believe. Basically when your car is at home and plugged up then if there is spare grid supply then the car will automatically charge up, but if there is a grid demand power from the car battery will feed the grid along with millions of others, remember most vehicles sit parked up 95% of there life. Before you shout but if the need the car and the grids taken the charge I’m stuffed, that won’t happen, you will program when you need the car and the planned mileage needed, the software will also learn your car usage patterns and ensure your power needs for the car are met, if it’s outside the norm you will be able to override it, a bit like your central heating programming.
The benefit is that as an EV driver you will get very, very cheap electric for the car, and also it is like to lower electricity prices generally. I know it sounds odd but it’s likely to happen.
By the way Tesla batteries are good for 300-500k miles of charges, the new LFP batteries 1 million miles, and they have just made a press release stating they have developed and tested a battery that will last for at least 100 years before it would need replacing/re-cycling. So batteries are not likely to be the limiting factor of the above hive storage plans.
Throwing water on a Lithium fire is really not the right thing to do, what we’re they thinking?throwing it in a hole a covering it with dry sand to starve of o2 should have worked.
lith ion doesnt need o2 to burn tho.. cooling it is only answer.
I used to think the same but the national grid has said it has enough spare off peak power to charge EVs. I think this is based on the fact that there is lots of unused potential green energy from wind that has to be regularly turned off or it will overload the grid. They are also building vast Terrawatt storage facilities so that the energy can be saved for use at peak times.
Also there are interesting investigations into used car batteries as hive storage to power the grid. This is being tested I believe. Basically when your car is at home and plugged up then if there is spare grid supply then the car will automatically charge up, but if there is a grid demand power from the car battery will feed the grid along with millions of others, remember most vehicles sit parked up 95% of there life. Before you shout but if the need the car and the grids taken the charge I’m stuffed, that won’t happen, you will program when you need the car and the planned mileage needed, the software will also learn your car usage patterns and ensure your power needs for the car are met, if it’s outside the norm you will be able to override it, a bit like your central heating programming.
The benefit is that as an EV driver you will get very, very cheap electric for the car, and also it is like to lower electricity prices generally. I know it sounds odd but it’s likely to happen.
By the way Tesla batteries are good for 300-500k miles of charges, the new LFP batteries 1 million miles, and they have just made a press release stating they have developed and tested a battery that will last for at least 100 years before it would need replacing/re-cycling. So batteries are not likely to be the limiting factor of the above hive storage plans.
I think the reason the wind farms were in danger of overloading the grid was high wind speeds, not because they are making too much leccy? The Germans have the same issue
http://www.epaw.org/echoes.php?lang=en&article=n367#:~:text=To%20prevent%20overloading%20 of%20the%20grid%2C%20control%20centers,frequent%20 the%20workers%20at%20the%20control%20center%20conf irm.
Storage is the answer I agree but I don't know how far that has come on, storing electricity isn't straightforward.
I'm generally optimistic that the problems can be overcome in time, my point is that they're not there yet, not by a long shot.
i think in past the orkneys had to turn some of theirs off as they had more power than they could handle, but think it was solved. they have lots of turbines up there.
Speaking of which, perhaps anyone with more than a quarter acre of land will be compelled to accommodate a wind turbine or solar panels. I would vote for solar - last week I camped about 100 metres from a wind turbine, and it made a right old racket.
My parents garden was about a third of an acre in size. They (and I) would definitely have been a NIMBY in that regard! ;)
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 07:29
I think the reason the wind farms were in danger of overloading the grid was high wind speeds, not because they are making too much leccy? The Germans have the same issue
http://www.epaw.org/echoes.php?lang=en&article=n367#:~:text=To%20prevent%20overloading%20 of%20the%20grid%2C%20control%20centers,frequent%20 the%20workers%20at%20the%20control%20center%20conf irm.
Storage is the answer I agree but I don't know how far that has come on, storing electricity isn't straightforward.
I'm generally optimistic that the problems can be overcome in time, my point is that they're not there yet, not by a long shot.
Nope, in off peak periods about 12 hours at least of the day wind turbines often have to be turned off to stop overload, nothing to do with high winds now, it can be in excessive winds but turbines their gearboxes and control systems have advanced somewhat in recent years. There is a massive terra battery store up your way and more are being built.
By the way wind is the most efficient form of electricity generation presently.
I have been looking at a small helix sail driven turbine, only 1.3m tall, it will start to generate power with wind speed as low as 8mph and will continue to do so in a light breeze, it outputs 1-4kwh, so over 24 hours at 1kwh it would easily be enough to run our entire house. They are £1200 plus fitting, we are considering as a additional feed to our batteries in the winter primarily.
Generating green power means you need to get it and store any unused as much as possible saving it up when low solar or wind. Ultimately there will be periods when neither is generating or is low so at these times Power from nuclear power stations will be needed to step in, if we are to get rid of gas driven power stations.
Electric-Hydro is also a possibility, we just have not invested in it in the uk. Generate power from it and store some to pump water back up to the top reservoir in a closed loop system, this is implemented in lots of places around the world.
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Nope, in off peak periods about 12 hours at least of the day wind turbines often have to be turned off to stop overload, nothing to do with high winds now, it can be in excessive winds but turbines their gearboxes and control systems have advanced somewhat in recent years. There is a massive terra battery store up your way and more are being built.
By the way wind is the most efficient form of electricity generation presently.
I have been looking at a small helix sail driven turbine, only 1.3m tall, it will start to generate power with wind speed as low as 8mph and will continue to do so in a light breeze, it outputs 1-4kwh, so over 24 hours at 1kwh it would easily be enough to run our entire house. They are £1200 plus fitting, we are considering as a additional feed to our batteries in the winter primarily.
Generating green power means you need to get it and store any unused as much as possible saving it up when low solar or wind. Ultimately there will be periods when neither is generating or is low so at these times Power from nuclear power stations will be needed to step in, if we are to get rid of gas driven power stations.
Electric-Hydro is also a possibility, we just have not invested in it in the uk. Generate power from it and store some to pump water back up to the top reservoir in a closed loop system, this is implemented in lots of places around the world.
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quite a few up here. Only few big ones, but lots of small and tiny ones. little ones for hamlets and small for villages etc. probaby the best form in highlands as they can be hidden pretty well
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 07:35
My parents garden was about a third of an acre in size. They (and I) would definitely have been a NIMBY in that regard! ;)
The helix wind turbine previously mentioned has a noise footprint of 40db at 1m at full throttle, that’s back ground noise levels.
Large sweep wind turbine blades will create more noise, the same reason a airplane prop does, it creates vortexes and turburlances as the air hits it and creates pressure waves. A helix design if done properly is more efficient but hard to build in large scale.
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The helix wind turbine previously mentioned has a noise footprint of 40db at 1m at full throttle, that’s back ground noise levels.
Large sweep wind turbine blades will create more noise, the same reason a airplane prop does, it creates vortexes and turburlances as the air hits it and creates pressure waves. A helix design if done properly is more efficient but hard to build in large scale.
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i like those. quite stylish
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 07:55
linguistic hydrogen? :scratch: Does that mean hydrogen can speak protium, deuterium, and tritium? :eyebrows:
Liquid hydrogen (linguistic [emoji23])
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AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 08:09
I don't get that. If you are using power it will eventually run out. Even if you still have some left by the time the hold up is cleared, is it enough to get you to the next charging point? Which of course will be full of people waiting to charge who have also burned most of their power going no-where.
It’s changing fast, over a thousand companies in the last year have signed up to the Octopus EV car lease scheme that offer salary sacrifice tax saving and makes it cheaper to get an EV, it saves companies on costs in varies ways, obviously fossil fuel is one of those.
See https://octopusev.com she also talks about it on
https://youtu.be/vxC7DdvsQHs
https://youtu.be/SN5G3tF6dy8
Goodwood record broken
https://youtu.be/5JYp9eGC3Cc
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Electric-Hydro is also a possibility, we just have not invested in it in the uk. Generate power from it and store some to pump water back up to the top reservoir in a closed loop system, this is implemented in lots of places around the world.
There's at least one in Wales, Electric Mountain, I've been on the tour.
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 09:11
I though some of you might find this cool, or at least interesting of what the future holds.
https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1541089603582451712?s=20&t=xu8JEhDbQvV8GHGqnpUEYA
its on wrong side of rd.:ner: a major issue in this country will be lack of visible lines on rds etc for a start.
There's at least one in Wales, Electric Mountain, I've been on the tour.
think there are 2 majors in scotland. really should be more.
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 09:28
For those of you interested in some thoughts on ECO stuff:scratch:, robert Llewellyn's recent podcast is interesting, if you are not interested in MyEnergi EV chargers and heating management skip the first 6 minutes as he talks about it, they sponsor the Fully charged site and he has to support them.
If you are from Texas, or another oil rich area and especially if you own an oil filed you probably won't enjoy it!:eek:
https://youtu.be/rLvtAhxbLXs
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 09:31
its on wrong side of rd.:ner: a major issue in this country will be lack of visible lines on rds etc for a start.
Nope, it detects the roads edge when no lines with the cameras and creates a lane, even narrow lanes it works, but becomes more defensive, slows down more, when meeting approaching traffic.
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/drivers-of-self-driving-cars-can-rely-too-much-on-autopilot-and-thats-a-recipe-for-disaster
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 10:36
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/drivers-of-self-driving-cars-can-rely-too-much-on-autopilot-and-thats-a-recipe-for-disaster
There is an important point in the article
"While these data paint a dismal picture of the safety of these systems, they pale in comparison to the over 40,000 reported fatal crashes that occurred in the United States in 2021 alone.
As part of the same report, NHTSA itself highlights some of the methodological limitations of the study: from the incompleteness of some of the source data to failing to account for individual manufacturers’ total vehicle volume or distance travelled by vehicles."
It is also very worthwhile to remember the National Post is a predominantly right wing supported/funded broad sheet and remember CA has some serious Oil/Gas and COAL:eek: deposits and the major industries influencers there would certainly like to dumb down anything to do with EVs whether autonomous capable or not. We spent many years going to CA and owned a property in BC and we very soon learnt that some of the mentality was not that far removed from the Texan Oil basher when it came to these arguments, not all of them certainly but those in control and power rich definitely.
There has been similar stuff published here and in the EU, primarily aimed at EV's with levels of autonomous driving capability, you try and find an article that sights an ICE vehicle with issues from autonomous driving, when in fact they do exist with the same level of autonomous driving capabilities as a Tesla of Honda for example, I wonder why that might be?
I think it is likely that if everyone used autonomous vehicles then accidents will be reduced.
Will not be 100 percent safe but the machine is less likely to make an error than a human.
It won't be chatting on the phone or looking at Youtube clips or Facebook whilst it is driving.
A Tesla driver in the United States has claimed that their vehicle's "Full Self-Driving" system caused a crash earlier this month, prompting an investigation by traffic safety authorities.
The driver, who was taking part in the feature's beta test, said their Tesla Model Y strayed into the wrong lane and was hit by another vehicle, according to a complaint filed with the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).
"The car went into the wrong lane and I was hit by another driver in the lane next to my lane," the driver wrote.
According to the driver's complaint, the Tesla alerted them to the other vehicle part-way through the turn into the other lane.
However, when the driver tried to turn the wheel to avoid a collision, the Tesla "forced itself into the incorrect lane, creating an unsafe manoeuvre putting everyone involved at risk," they said.
An NHTSA spokesperson told the Associated Press that the agency was aware of the crash, which took place on November 3, and was communicating with Tesla to learn more about the incident.
Tesla, which has disbanded its press office, did not respond to requests for comment.
The company began rolling out a new beta version of its FSD driver assist system in September, initially offering the software to Tesla owners with a high "safety score" via a button in the company's app.
The beta test ran into issues last month when Tesla had to roll back the release of FSD 10.3 after detecting safety issues in the software.
I think it is likely that if everyone used autonomous vehicles then accidents will be reduced.
Will not be 100 percent safe but the machine is less likely to make an error than a human.
It won't be chatting on the phone or looking at Youtube clips or Facebook whilst it is driving.
I think if all cars are auto drive then things will go more smoothly, once all the bugs are out of system although that might take some doing.
Alas there are so many rare, but dangerous situations, and some that are not at all dangerous that these systems cant yet make a correct call on. Humans in general are still way ahead on this, as we are smart (well most of us lol), unlike current Aev's
Most common cause of RTA in the UK is failure to look properly due to tiredness, complacency or distractions. A computer won't be prone to any of those issues.
Most common cause of RTA in the UK is failure to look properly due to tiredness, complacency or distractions. A computer won't be prone to any of those issues.
distracted and speeding i'd say
distracted and speeding i'd say
No, speeding does cause accidents but it is way down the list:
Driver failed to look properly - 42,189 accidents reported
Driver failed to judge other person’s path or speed - 21,211 accidents reported
Driver was careless, reckless or in a hurry - 17,845 accidents reported
Driver had poor turn or maneuver - 15,560 accidents reported
Loss of control - 12,151 accidents reported
Pedestrian failed to look properly - 8,687 accidents reported
Slippery road surface - 7,327 accidents reported
Driver was travelling too fast for conditions - 6,468 accidents reported
Driver was following too close - 6,040 accidents reported
Driver was exceeding speed limit - 5,102 accidents reported
No, speeding does cause accidents but it is way down the list:
Driver failed to look properly - 42,189 accidents reported
Driver failed to judge other person’s path or speed - 21,211 accidents reported
Driver was careless, reckless or in a hurry - 17,845 accidents reported
Driver had poor turn or maneuver - 15,560 accidents reported
Loss of control - 12,151 accidents reported
Pedestrian failed to look properly - 8,687 accidents reported
Slippery road surface - 7,327 accidents reported
Driver was travelling too fast for conditions - 6,468 accidents reported
Driver was following too close - 6,040 accidents reported
Driver was exceeding speed limit - 5,102 accidents reported
All of those except pedestrian failing to look and slippery road surface would be vastly reduced by having a computer do the driving.
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 13:02
I think it is likely that if everyone used autonomous vehicles then accidents will be reduced.
Will not be 100 percent safe but the machine is less likely to make an error than a human.
It won't be chatting on the phone or looking at Youtube clips or Facebook whilst it is driving.
Yes it won't happen instantly but it is coming. Also this will accelerate once cars are limited to speed limits by the chips/programed already in cars built roughly over the last 5 years, just needs switching on at a service, making it easier for and safer overall.
AJSki2fly
27-06-2022, 13:04
Back to the Hybrid or not to hybrid discussion earlier.
An interesting article from someone who is probably closer to what is going on than me, and probably more articulate on the subject.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-10935441/Why-avoid-plug-hybrid-cars.html
Back to the Hybrid or not to hybrid discussion earlier.
An interesting article from someone who is probably closer to what is going on than me, and probably more articulate on the subject.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-10935441/Why-avoid-plug-hybrid-cars.html
used right they can contribute greatly, but alas i was reading that most company car drivers just dont use the battery at all as company pays for juice.
one of our members in france has one and his daily commute doesnt require him to use engine. just on longer runs. he was still getting well over 100mpg. a guy on the mobility forum is getting about 150 with his. trouble with most evs are they are not suitible for a lot of disabled folk. either its very difficult to get into and/or the boot space isnt able to take wheelchairs etc.
the ev i have is ok getting into, but boot is small. i had to sell my scooter and buy a folding one; cost a bomb plus a hoist as i still couldnt lift it. nothing is simple
used right they can contribute greatly, but alas i was reading that most company car drivers just dont use the battery at all as company pays for juice.
one of our members in france has one and his daily commute doesnt require him to use engine. just on longer runs. he was still getting well over 100mpg. a guy on the mobility forum is getting about 150 with his. trouble with most evs are they are not suitible for a lot of disabled folk. either its very difficult to get into and/or the boot space isnt able to take wheelchairs etc.
the ev i have is ok getting into, but boot is small. i had to sell my scooter and buy a folding one; cost a bomb plus a hoist as i still couldnt lift it. nothing is simple
Over 200mpg Grant.
This reduces on a run, but mine is not a pure hybrid, but a PHEV.
Places I go to regularly don’t have a decent charge point, so I am not ready to go 100% electric yet.
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