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Yes, I like the shape. I love the way that this 14 year old car drives.
It is not without it’s faults, most of which I have ironed out - like replacing crap OEM metalastic bushes with poly bushes etc.
Awesome Monaro, really nice V8 under the hood.
They sound like only a V8 can.
New straight through stainless exhaust fitted to my Alfa Brera today?
Exhaust Guy loved the Alfa engine note when I first brought it around and we agreed the new exhaust should bring more of that out, so he kept the stainless Prodrive backboxes and manufactured a straight thru stainless system to fit in with them.
Didnt want boy racer Subaru levels of noise, unbecoming of an italian thoroughbred you know. :D
The new exhaust?
Gutsier, deeper, seismic, louder, spit and bark that wasnt there before but most importantly keeping the same character.
He texted to say the car was ready, I asked him how it sounded?
”possibly the best 4 cylinder engine I’ve heard, sounds exotic and Italian”
After picking up car and going away he asked me if I would let him hear it from outside the car as he hadnt heard it, and give it the beans as I drove away.
He was grinning as I drove away....bloody loved it!
Alfas are one of the marques that make you feel special, (another pound in the James May swear box!) and all I’ve done is bring more Alfa-ness out of what was there already. Big grin whenever I get in the car before, more so now.
Only cost me £200 quid, guy really knows his stuff and anyone in Central scotland needing sn exhaust, seriously...he’s your go to guy.
I don't want to turn this into a love-in, but I love the Alfas. Just about as stylish as you can get.
Nice one, Gaz. Glad it worked out well. Good price, too!
So aside from the improved 'noise' [and that sounds quite sexy] have you noticed any increase in engine responsiveness? :)
Marco.
P.S Does it look any different from the back (did you change the tips)?
Nice one, Gaz. Glad it worked out well. Good price, too!
So aside from the improved 'noise' [and that sounds quite sexy] have you noticed any increase in engine responsiveness? :)
Marco.
P.S Does it look any different from the back (did you change the tips)?
Not just the noise it makes going down the road thats changed Marco, what happens when I press my right foot has too.
Feels smoother and less ‘gritty’ under accelleration as well as the pickup at lower revs being much more responsive.
The cars already been remapped so maybe getting a better sense of what’s under the bonnet now its able to breathe a bit easier?
Going to my remap guy who’s going to tweak it to suit, now the airflows changed with the new exhaust, should be good.
Looks similar to before after new exhaust?
He kept the Prodrive backboxes so the exhaust looks the same as before, though with the rebuild the chrome tips stick out a couple of inches more than before, which can’t be a bad thing. :)
RobbieGong
03-03-2018, 21:38
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HSV GTO LS2 (aka Monaro VXR)
Nice ride and well done for being an individual and not goiing with the crowds usual Merc, Audi, BMW option :D
Clarkson / top gear rated it very highly. Speedy Ozzies love em too - I think they're called the Holden over there :)
The 'standard' Monaro is a Holden, but the 'non-standard' Monaro is designated HSV GTO (HSV = Holden Special Vehicles). They came across and were given a few small changes; Vauxhall badges, seats with VXR decals, and I think the steering rack is changed(?).
It is just an industrial brute, but a lot of fun with it. I took it out on Friday, and spinning in the conditions gave me 12 mpg over the 15 miles!
Oh, it's a Pontiac GTO in the States, as it was exported there too.
I've been down the two seater (VX220), German six pot banger (BMW 130i), Japanese rally rep (WRX) and the HSV is something else.
The 'standard' Monaro is a Holden, but the 'non-standard' Monaro is designated HSV GTO (HSV = Holden Special Vehicles). They came across and were given a few small changes; Vauxhall badges, seats with VXR decals, and I think the steering rack is changed(?).
It is just an industrial brute, but a lot of fun with it. I took it out on Friday, and spinning in the conditions gave me 12 mpg over the 15 miles!
Oh, it's a Pontiac GTO in the States, as it was exported there too.
I've been down the two seater (VX220), German six pot banger (BMW 130i), Japanese rally rep (WRX) and the HSV is something else.
After I heard a Monaro VXR literally vibrate the pavement it’s one of those memories that stick with you!
Nice reg plate too!
It’s all about how it makes you feel. :)
RobbieGong
03-03-2018, 22:11
The 'standard' Monaro is a Holden, but the 'non-standard' Monaro is designated HSV GTO (HSV = Holden Special Vehicles). They came across and were given a few small changes; Vauxhall badges, seats with VXR decals, and I think the steering rack is changed(?).
It is just an industrial brute, but a lot of fun with it. I took it out on Friday, and spinning in the conditions gave me 12 mpg over the 15 miles!
Oh, it's a Pontiac GTO in the States, as it was exported there too.
I've been down the two seater (VX220), German six pot banger (BMW 130i), Japanese rally rep (WRX) and the HSV is something else.
Vauxhall / General Motors have produced a good few 'speedster' over the years.
I used to have a lovely graphite black metallic Astra GTE 16V, Full twin (rectangular) Scorpion stainless steal exhaust, 5 spoke alloys, the lot. Used to get a lot of nods in that thing it was my pride and joy and spotless minty.
Quick thing it was then. Wish I'd have held on to it as they fetch daft money now
The Vauxhall 'museum' is worth a walk around if you are ever in Luton.
After I heard a Monaro VXR literally vibrate the pavement it’s one of those memories that stick with you!
Nice reg plate too!
It’s all about how it makes you feel. :)
Mine is not too rowdy, a catback stainless system gives a nice burble when you lift off and a roar when you gun it - well half throttle to be safe!
RobbieGong
03-03-2018, 22:26
Indeed, no doubt they'll be a well gaurded Vauxhall Lotus Carlton on show at their museum in Luton amongst untold other gems of every order - Viva's, Firenzas.......
The Loutus Carlton was one heck of an effort from Vauxhall, a classic literally from the off and one in the eye for the Sierra Cosworth brigade I remember.
Another one now going for big big bucks especially if in top order.
Indeed, no doubt they'll be a well gaurded Vauxhall Lotus Carlton on show.
Now that was one hell of an effort from Vauxhall, a classic literally from the off and one in the eye for the Sierra Coswaorth brigade I remember.
Another one now going for big big bucks especially if in top order.
They do have a Lotus Carlton there - not mollycoddled though, it was out being driven by a car magazine last time I was there.
The Astra GTEs were a fantastic car - an absolute classic!
After I heard a Monaro VXR literally vibrate the pavement it’s one of those memories that stick with you!
Nice reg plate too!
It’s all about how it makes you feel. :)
I forgot to mention that the plate came with the car - they aren't my cup of tea personally, but it'd be silly to hand it back to DVLA.
RobbieGong
03-03-2018, 22:35
They do have a Lotus Carlton there - not mollycoddled though, it was out being driven by a car magazine last time I was there.
The Astra Gates were a fantastic car - an absolute classic!
Loved my GTE, as you'll know the 16V was the one to have. I had the 8v and two 16V's. A dark aubergine metallic and then the Graphite Black metallic which I subtlely modded - almost identical to this but with nicer 5 spoke alloys in my view of course http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=227283&country=uk :D
If I'm right, it had the digital Speedo too. They really had things right then, with the Nova GTE, SR, Astra GTEs Mk1-3, Carltons and Cavaliers. Things have changed terribly.
I had the Golf GTI 16V (MK2 naturally) and it was just a fantastically sorted car. I couldn't pick one fault with it.
RobbieGong
03-03-2018, 22:43
If I'm right, it had the digital Speedo too. They really had things right then, with the Nova GTE, SR, Astra GTEs Mk1-3, Carltons and Cavaliers. Things have changed terribly.
Thats the one - went like stink !
Wont lie though, If I could indulge again it would be a Metallic Black Golf R, manual no - DSG malarky, all the toys including full electric panaramic glass roof - oh if only ! ... one day ! ;)
Those Rs are extremely capable - I just think they are a little tainted by the fact that they are lease specials. Not that it removes from the performance of course, but I've always liked a car that you need to respect and learn to live with!
RobbieGong
03-03-2018, 22:46
I had the Golf GTI 16V (MK2 naturally) and it was just a fantastically sorted car. I couldn't pick one fault with it.
Great cars, typically solid VW build and better sorted in terms of overall handling than the GTE.
I had a good few 'rows' in the GTE 16V and in a straight line it was a rocket. The twisty stuf though was more of a fight.
Great cars, typically solid VW build and better sorted in terms of overall handling than the GTE.
I had a good few 'rows' in the GTE 16V and in a straight line it was a rocket. The twisty stuf though was more of a fight.
A little quirky maybe, but good fun and asked ßomething of you as the driver.
RobbieGong
03-03-2018, 22:57
This early GTE 16V (so no electric windows and the less attractive seats) Totally original and immaculate time warp sold for £29K :eek: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/An-Incredible-Early-MK2-Vauxhall-Astra-GTE-16v-9K-Miles-SOLD/222761700676?hash=item33dda1cd44:g:9GAAAOSwY~laOOu y
Car prices have gone through the roof in the past few years; I reckon a little bit of re-adjustment will happen in the next few years when the interest rate goes up; there'll no longer be a need to regard a car as an alternative to conventional investment.
Pigmy Pony
06-03-2018, 19:53
I had the Golf GTI 16V (MK2 naturally) and it was just a fantastically sorted car. I couldn't pick one fault with it.
I had one of these too, in Tornado red, my favourite of all the cars I've owned. Couldn't go in the house without one last look at it.
But it was such a target for thieving scrotes. Took it to Glastonbury in '93, great drive down there plenty of good sounds with the Alpine stereo. The return trip not so good, came to it on the Monday morning. drivers side window smashed, CD player gone, speakers gone, about 40 CDs gone. A musicless and very draughty ride home. Grr!
This early GTE 16V (so no electric windows and the less attractive seats) Totally original and immaculate time warp sold for £29K :eek: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/An-Incredible-Early-MK2-Vauxhall-Astra-GTE-16v-9K-Miles-SOLD/222761700676?hash=item33dda1cd44:g:9GAAAOSwY~laOOu y
Ouch :eek:
In '89 I had a MkII GTE (8V) in white (when white was fashionable to have) and loved it.
After a year got a lease car through work, a brand new Nove GTE which was even more fun.................. those were the days :D
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/928482/diesel-car-scrappage-toyota-diesel-engine-UK
Interesting. This one will ripple through the manufacturers and hopefully give us petrol drivers a stay of execution from the big city council guillotine.
walpurgis
08-03-2018, 11:11
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/928482/diesel-car-scrappage-toyota-diesel-engine-UK
Interesting. This one will ripple through the manufacturers and hopefully give us petrol drivers a stay of execution from the big city council guillotine.
That's only UK and Europe though. I'll bet they keep selling them elsewhere.
This 'clean air' thing is getting rather wearing. Compared to the coal burning sixties, fifties and earlier, the air in this country is very safe to breathe nowadays. Anyway, even if everybody ends up using electric cars, there'll eventually come a time when they'll have to start mining and burning our huge reserves of coal to generate the power needed.
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/928482/diesel-car-scrappage-toyota-diesel-engine-UK
Interesting. This one will ripple through the manufacturers and hopefully give us petrol drivers a stay of execution from the big city council guillotine.
Showcasing your bias again, My? There's nothing like cherry-picking media articles, which serve to support your anti-diesel agenda, in order to bolster your world view, eh?;)
As a performance diesel car driver (and will be until the day I pop my clogs), I'll continue to buy used, so as they'll be 1000s of suitable cars to chose from next time I renew mine, the content of the article means jack shit!
Marco [inhale my oil burn, baby! :lol::upyours:]
It means that one of the biggest manufacturers of diesel cars is about to stop, much the same as Volvo and their pro-clean vehicle plans for the next decade. It is groundbreaking.
Oh, and a 350 diesel is not a performance diesel, I promise you that.
walpurgis
08-03-2018, 11:25
The 'future deadlines' that our govenment(s) quote are bollocks anyway. Internal combustion engined cars gone in twenty years or whatever? There'll still be smokey old Land Rovers chugging along I'll bet. There'd be a revolution if fuel supplies were stopped.
We saw how resolute the government's intent was over the deadline for killing off of analogue radio, approaching twenty years past it now!
That's only UK and Europe though. I'll bet they keep selling them elsewhere.
This 'clean air' thing is getting rather wearing. Compared to the coal burning sixties, fifties and earlier, the air in this country is very safe to breathe nowadays. Anyway, even if everybody ends up using electric cars, there'll eventually come a time when they'll have to start mining and burning our huge reserves of coal to generate the power needed.
I agree, however my dog in the fight is this - if the more polluting vehicles are removed from the scene, then it is more likely that my car and others of the same ilk might be able to exist. I don't care much for the clean air and electric car 'coming of the messiah' business which is fatally flawed, exactly as you described it. Let's not forget the lithium and cobalt mining that has to go on to maintain the Tesla factory; Lithium use by Tesla last year was more than the entire mined stock of Lithium in 2013. It isn't my bag at all.
I agree, however my dog in the fight is this - if the more polluting vehicles are removed from the scene, then it is more likely that my car and others of the same ilk might be able to exist.
And that isn't a selfish agenda?;)
My 'oil-burner' does, on average, 30 miles a week. How many does your petrol car do? Let's see who's car is likely causing the most pollution....
Marco.
walpurgis
08-03-2018, 11:30
Funny how the largest (and huge) reserves of Lithium are easily accessible to the US and the west. I'm not suggesting there's any kind of 'electrification agenda' of course. Heaven forbid!
It means that one of the biggest manufacturers of diesel cars is about to stop, much the same as Volvo and their pro-clean vehicle plans for the next decade. It is groundbreaking.
Oh, and a 350 diesel is not a performance diesel, I promise you that.
It's been tuned to buggery, and goes rather quickly, trust me. Now give it a rest before I give YOU a 'rest'. You're very close to having your ass banned, because I don't like folk with blatant agendas, who simply like to be irritants. And your behaviour here smacks very much of that.
Got it?
Marco.
And that isn't a selfish agenda?;)
My 'oil-burner' does, on average, 30 miles a week. How many does your petrol car do? Let's see who's car is likely causing the most pollution....
Marco.
Well, my car is a weekend car so doesn't go out that often. But it still has its cats on and hasn't been modified to pollute any more than when it left the factory so I feel I can take the high ground and be 'selfish' about this.
In the future when cars are in danger of being chased off the roads by the green brigade, it will be cars like mine that will be fought for as an example of what to keep, not diesels of any type.
This is car chat, and I put up an interesting link. You decided to jump on me about some agenda.
Well, my car is a weekend car so doesn't go out that often. But it still has its cats on and hasn't been modified to pollute any more than when it left the factory so I feel I can take the high ground and be 'selfish' about this.
Do you now? That's good. I'd say it simply makes you come across as selfish, intolerant and ignorantly biased, none of which are particularly endearing traits in a person. Plus, you comment on things you know nothing about (such as the performance of my car), as you haven't driven it.
So are you saying you don't work (or don't drive to work) and only have one car in your household? If not, how many are there in total, and what's their combined mileage? Also, in terms of your weekend car being driven, how often is 'not that often'. On average, how many miles does it do in a week?
Marco.
This is car chat, and I put up an interesting link. You decided to jump on me about some agenda.
You're being judged on what you write. It's a simple concept you seem to struggle with.
Marco.
Do you now? That's good. I'd say it simply makes you come across as intolerant and blatantly biased, none of which are particularly endearing traits in a person. Plus, you comment on things you know nothing about (such as the performance of my car), as you haven't driven it.
So are you saying you don't work (or don't drive to work) and only have one car in your household? If not, how many are there, and what's their combined mileage? Also, in terms of your weekend car being driven, how often is 'not that often'. On average, how many miles does it do in a week?
Marco.
I cycle or catch a bus to work....more often than not cycle. The amount of cars per driver in my household is '1'.
Also, it doesn't take a petrolhead much to be able to best guess the performance of any car, especially with the information you have given. Most importantly, a car with performance is not a performance car. I have owned other cars which are relatively high powered but are not performance cars, by virtue of their weight, handling, power delivery etc. So because a standard car has been mapped doesn't make it a performance car. Especially not, in my humble opinion, a diesel.
Clearly, you don't know when to shut up, 'Mr Petrolhead', and you've had enough warnings for persisting with your very clear agendas. I don't like sharing my paid for webspace with pain in the arse irritants, so cheerio! :wave:
Marco.
Been in a few pretty fast unmapped diesels. I owned a fairly fast one that could hold its own with any petrol eq. It was pretty clean, got great mileage etc, and although decently big estate could if driven properly get over 50mph. My brothers small diesel got 66mph and was fairly nippy. This govt anti diesel crap will fall eventually when it becomes it or them.
As for battery cars..jeez, gimme a break. They are even bigger pollutants . Energy costs to make and break are staggering
Beobloke
08-03-2018, 12:48
Plus, you comment on things you know nothing about (such as the performance of my car), as you haven't driven it.
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I haven't driven your car, but I bet it goes like stink. Stink being the operative word. :D:D:D Sorry, Marco, couldnt resist! :D:D:D
As an aside when it comes to miles driven, I remember being berated on another forum a couple of years back for driving a "horrible, polluting, gas-guzzling Range Rover" by someone who went on to say how wonderful his small engined car was, and how he had done 40,000 miles in it last year. When I pointed out that his 40,000 miles at 50mpg still used far more fuel than my annual mileage of 8000 at 18mpg, and queried if this adjusted his position on which one of us was the bigger polluter, he went remarkably quiet...
I haven't driven your car, but I bet it goes like stink. Stink being the operative word. :D:D:D Sorry, Marco, couldnt resist! :D:D:D
As an aside when it comes to miles driven, I remember being berated on another forum a couple of years back for driving a "horrible, polluting, gas-guzzling Range Rover" by someone who went on to say how wonderful his small engined car was, and how he had done 40,000 miles in it last year. When I pointed out that his 40,000 miles at 50mpg still used far more fuel than my annual mileage of 8000 at 18mpg, and queried if this adjusted his position on which one of us was the bigger polluter, he went remarkably quiet...
that is reason i think the road tax should be scrapped and tax be on fuel, so the bigger polluters pay most. only fair imv. rich folk wont agree i guess but is it fair i get charged well over £200 for a fairly modern petrol car that does about 1800 miles a year and others burn gas like its going out of fashion, do 40k a year and pay pennies.
The difference with diesel engines is the particulates they output are very small and cannot be effectively filtered by the lungs. As a consequence they are far more hazardous to health than emissions from a petrol engine. To effectively filter them will massively reduce the performance of the engine, which is why the car manufacturers were lying about their emissions figures, something that has now brought the whole matter to a head.
There is unlikely to be a blanket ban on any type of engine however I think it is very likely that production of diesel engine cars will cease entirely within the next ten years.
walpurgis
08-03-2018, 14:19
that is reason i think the road tax should be scrapped and tax be on fuel, so the bigger polluters pay most.
Less likely now with things going electric. How would you tax that? You could do it at service stations, but what about home charging, which is available now? It would be very unpopular to insist on separate metering.
The difference with diesel engines is the particulates they output are very small and cannot be effectively filtered by the lungs. As a consequence they are far more hazardous to health than emissions from a petrol engine. To effectively filter them will massively reduce the performance of the engine, which is why the car manufacturers were lying about their emissions figures, something that has now brought the whole matter to a head.
There is unlikely to be a blanket ban on any type of engine however I think it is very likely that production of diesel engine cars will cease entirely within the next ten years.
its all pretty pointless globally anyway with the us still averaging v6 2.5 litre engines. they are changing but as fuel is discounted its not gonna make a lot of difference. add in their dirty power plants, then take China...please
it would make Redd Foxx blush
walpurgis
08-03-2018, 14:55
To be honest, these days I'd resent paying for the juice that a "V6 2.5 litre engine" would use, not to mention the excessive road tax (and no doubt insurance).
Been in a few pretty fast unmapped diesels. I owned a fairly fast one that could hold its own with any petrol eq.
Yups... And besides, how exactly do you define a "performance car'? Does it have to be a Ferrari, McLaren or what...?
The Brabster's recently been through the dyno of my engine specialist [I hesitate to refer to him simply as a 'mechanic', because his expertise extends well beyond that] and measured just under 310bhp, with 510Nm of torque. Trust me, when you 'floor it', it SHIFTS!!:eek:
Of course, it's not the fastest thing on the road, but it was never bought, or designed for such a purpose. However, I've still managed to roast a few 'petrolheads' in 'performance cars', who, much like the rather misinformed Mr 'argyle', think that I'm just driving a glorified taxi! :lol:
Marco.
I haven't driven your car, but I bet it goes like stink. Stink being the operative word. :D:D:D Sorry, Marco, couldnt resist! :D:D:D
Hahahaha... Love it! :lolsign:
As an aside when it comes to miles driven, I remember being berated on another forum a couple of years back for driving a "horrible, polluting, gas-guzzling Range Rover" by someone who went on to say how wonderful his small engined car was, and how he had done 40,000 miles in it last year. When I pointed out that his 40,000 miles at 50mpg still used far more fuel than my annual mileage of 8000 at 18mpg, and queried if this adjusted his position on which one of us was the bigger polluter, he went remarkably quiet...
Indeed. These types of ignorant, self-opinionated agenda-monkeys, simply deserve one of three things: ridiculed, ignored, or simply put in their place. I see you opted for the latter!:D
Marco.
its all pretty pointless globally anyway with the us still averaging v6 2.5 litre engines. they are changing but as fuel is discounted its not gonna make a lot of difference. add in their dirty power plants, then take China...please
it would make Redd Foxx blush
Hear, hear. As ever with these things, it's a question of context!!
Marco.
its all pretty pointless globally anyway with the us still averaging v6 2.5 litre engines. they are changing but as fuel is discounted its not gonna make a lot of difference. add in their dirty power plants, then take China...please
it would make Redd Foxx blush
With diesel vehicles are not talking about global pollution but local pollution at street level.
Diesel particulate matter (DPM), sometimes also called diesel exhaust particles (DEP), is the particulate component of diesel exhaust, which includes diesel soot and aerosols such as ash particulates, metallic abrasion particles, sulfates, and silicates. When released into the atmosphere, DPM can take the form of individual particles or chain aggregates, with most in the invisible sub-micrometre range of 100nanometers, also known as ultrafine particles (UFP) or PM0.1.
The main particulate fraction of diesel exhaust consists of fine particles. Because of their small size, inhaled particles may easily penetrate deep into the lungs.[1] The polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) in the exhaust stimulate nerves in the lungs, causing reflex coughing, wheezing and shortness of breath.[48] The rough surfaces of these particles makes it easy for them to bind with other toxins in the environment, thus increasing the hazards of particle inhalation.[
Pigmy Pony
08-03-2018, 18:25
Been in a few pretty fast unmapped diesels. I owned a fairly fast one that could hold its own with any petrol eq. It was pretty clean, got great mileage etc, and although decently big estate could if driven properly get over 50mph. My brothers small diesel got 66mph and was fairly nippy. This govt anti diesel crap will fall eventually when it becomes it or them.
As for battery cars..jeez, gimme a break. They are even bigger pollutants . Energy costs to make and break are staggering
Grant, I'm hoping you meant 50 mpg, not mph, otherwise it's not a very good case for diesels! Unless your motor was made by John Deere or Massey Ferguson.
My definition of performance cars (diesel or petrol) is quite simple. If it has been tuned for performance rather than for economy, it's a performance car. Much like hifi - if it was made with the intention to provide a faithful reproduction of music, it is hifi, regardless of how much it costs.
But as with many other things, I could be wrong!
walpurgis
08-03-2018, 18:33
Grant, I'm hoping you meant 50 mpg, not mph, otherwise it's not a very good case for diesels!
Oh I don't know. It was Jeremy Clarkson who said 'no matter how fast your car is, everybody averages 50 mph' and of course, he was right. The only thing extra power and speed does is get you to the next tail back or other hold-up quicker.
Grant, I'm hoping you meant 50 mpg, not mph, otherwise it's not a very good case for diesels! Unless your motor was made by John Deere or Massey Ferguson.
My definition of performance cars (diesel or petrol) is quite simple. If it has been tuned for performance rather than for economy, it's a performance car. Much like hifi - if it was made with the intention to provide a faithful reproduction of music, it is hifi, regardless of how much it costs.
But as with many other things, I could be wrong!
it says 50mpg dont follow you
My definition of performance cars (diesel or petrol) is quite simple. If it has been tuned for performance rather than for economy, it's a performance car. Much like hifi - if it was made with the intention to provide a faithful reproduction of music, it is hifi, regardless of how much it costs.
But as with many other things, I could be wrong!
No you're not - you're 100% right! In terms of the bit in bold, *by definition* that's exactly what it is, not what someone's anti-diesel agenda would like it to be instead!;)
And mine has certainly been tuned for performance:eyebrows:
Marco.
Weeeeeel....I shall stick with my 2016 one of these totally waisted in London, Diesel Merc Taxi Marco! Surely it is time to go back to your heritage and go Gran Turismo?
http://i63.tinypic.com/2mphjy8.jpg
Lol! Yes, I'd love one of those, but as I keep saying, where do you put the crates of wine - and how would I get my 85-year old father in the back?? ;)
If you've followed me properly during these types of discussions, Rodger, you should be well aware of the "Diesel Merc Taxi"'s raison d'être....
Marco.
Lol! Yes, I'd love one of those, but as I keep saying, where do you put the crates of wine?? ;)
Marco.
In the butlers Range Rover :doh:
seriously, when you no longer have need of more than two seats consider one careful owner Jaguar also, build quality has improved over the last few years and they make for great runs into Europe motors.
Pigmy Pony
08-03-2018, 19:59
Yes very nice, I'm trying to picture it with my roof bars and ladders. It just might work-my ladders are also silver coloured.
Yes very nice, I'm trying to picture it with my roof bars and ladders. It just might work-my ladders are also silver coloured.
oh never fear, Porsche do a full titanium ladder set for the 911 range starting 5 £27.000
In the butlers Range Rover :doh:
Indeed, old chap, how remiss of me.
I don't know yet what my next car will be, but until, or if, I decide to be completely frivolous, it'll always have to mix practicality with performance. Don't mind Jags, but I prefer the 'proper' ones that they used to make, such as Steed (from The Avengers) drove!
I've seen a few bespoke 'race tuned' versions, which are rather sexy... I've also yet to have an Alfa in my life, and given my Italian heritage, that's bordering on sacrilege!
I rather like the new Giulia:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/woduUD.jpg
Ticks all the right boxes: Fun? <Check> Fast? <Check> Practical? <Check> Not too many on the road, as I hate driving cars every other man and his dog drives? Check! :cool:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
08-03-2018, 20:21
Wow, I'd be the talk of the builders merchants! They'd be going "there goes that Steve, he's obviously doing really well, I wonder what's his secret?"
But I've lost count of the number of times I've had my tools nicked. If these went I'd probably cry.
walpurgis
08-03-2018, 20:41
Here's my next car. Land Rover Defender stretch-limo camper! Diesel of course. :)
http://i63.tinypic.com/2wlsz9f.jpg
That's quite cool actually! :)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
08-03-2018, 21:02
Don't see the point of that ladder though. :scratch:
Here's my next car. Land Rover Defender stretch-limo camper! Diesel of course. :)
http://i63.tinypic.com/2wlsz9f.jpg
Shoddy....
Grant, I'm hoping you meant 50 mpg, not mph, otherwise it's not a very good case for diesels! Unless your motor was made by John Deere or Massey Ferguson.
My definition of performance cars (diesel or petrol) is quite simple. If it has been tuned for performance rather than for economy, it's a performance car. Much like hifi - if it was made with the intention to provide a faithful reproduction of music, it is hifi, regardless of how much it costs.
But as with many other things, I could be wrong!
Get 20 odd MPG from my Alfa nowadays...and wouldn’t change a bloody thing!
(except to swap up to a Giulia Quadrifoglio....in red natuarally)
walpurgis
08-03-2018, 23:28
Less than thirty quid gets me from London to the far end of Cornwall.
Pigmy Pony
09-03-2018, 17:54
I once got from Preston to Ullapool for nowt. All I needed was a thumb and an attractive girlfriend, who found my thumb attractive. :D
The vital detail Geoff omitted to mention was that he was hitchhiking, dressed as a stockinged serial killer.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
09-03-2018, 19:52
I doubt that hitch hiking dressed as a serial killer is as attractive as it sounds, even in Cornwall. However, if Geoff was holding up a sign saying "I have pasties", I'd give him a lift :)
OK, he was a stockinged serial killer selling pasties. I've got a lob-on just thinking about it.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
09-03-2018, 21:04
Yep, definitely one for the W-bank.
Zoidburg
12-03-2018, 20:13
Fitted a new end can on my 1200rs on Saturday. Half the weight if the standard end can, better looking and produces a much more fruity note too.
Bought from a company called Fuel exhaust's who are based in the lakes and provided great customer service, order placed on Monday and delivered on Friday after an email the day before advising me if dispatch. Build wise it feels very well put together and as I say it sounds great.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180312/e26714cf451d5088a804872f8dbb6f51.jpg
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Pigmy Pony
12-03-2018, 21:08
Hi Ben,
Nice can, looks well and suits your bike I think.
Is it road legal, or is it one with removable baffle, or is it stamped 'not for road use'?
I bought a pair of cans for an XJR1300 I had about 15 years ago, which had this stamped on them. I considered polishing it out, but was told that would be a much more serious offence. Anyway, I managed to write it off before it came to the attention of Plod. Lucky me!
I've considered putting an aftermarket exhaust on my '03 FireBlade, and I think one like yours would be just the job (titanium colour though).
Zoidburg
12-03-2018, 21:23
Fuel offer various options but mine is "road legal" with all necessary stamps etc. It has a removable baffle which I will be experimenting with next time out. However even with the baffle in place its loud enough to hear what's going on (I ride with ear plugs in too).
I'm very impressed with it on all fronts and it was very reasonably priced too.
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Finally getting around to getting some pics up.
Had the callipers on the Alfa repainted.
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?57428-Sophia-s-had-her-nails-done
walpurgis
26-03-2018, 13:32
Taxed the car lunchtime and it cost me...........well, nothing actually. Band 'A'. :D
Car passed it's first MOT today, felt like it was free as I have a contract that covers servicing and MOT.
walpurgis
30-03-2018, 14:07
Finally. Somebody is addressing the excessive cost of fuel at motorway services.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43590387
The excuses given for the high prices are ridiculous.
The cost of 'round the clock opening', So they have the opportunity to sell more and it costs them?
'prices reflect the cost of building and running services', well so it does at any other place that sells fuel.
walpurgis
02-04-2018, 17:07
New MOT rules. Make sure your car is entirely roadworthy before you take it for its test in future or you could get seriously lumbered!!
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/simple-mistake-can-see-you-12291770
New MOT rules. Make sure your car is entirely roadworthy before you take it for its test...
Don't most sensible folk do that, anyway? ;)
With cars, where possible, I practice 'preventive maintenance'.
Marco.
walpurgis
02-04-2018, 18:59
Don't most sensible folk do that, anyway? ;)
With cars, where possible, I practice 'preventive maintenance'.
Marco.
I think most do. But no doubt it will still be possible to get caught out. Not a great scenario. Imagine your car failing the MOT and being told the test station will be unable to immediately carry out necessary remedial work. What do you do, leave it there until it can be dealt with, at a cost if they have room, or worse, be told to trailer it away.
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2018, 19:08
The MOT certificate is a legal requirement, but is no guarantee of a vehicle's roadworthiness. It only shows that the vehicle was roadworthy on the date of issue. It is the responsibility of the registered keeper to maintain its roadworthiness throughout the year.
Tyres are a case in point. If your vehicle is found to have bald tyres, showing the police that the tyres were fine at the time of its last MOT would be no defence.
walpurgis
02-04-2018, 19:20
The situation now is a bit different. If your car fails the MOT, you will of course be immediately aware of any defects and now that information will also be immediately added to the PNC, so you will be unable to drive your car away until sorted, unless you want ANPR cameras to pick you up driving illegally.
Ninanina
02-04-2018, 19:22
The situation now is a bit different. If your car fails the MOT, you will immediately be made aware of any defects and of course that information will also be immediately added to the PNC, so you will be unable to drive your car anywhere until sorted, unless you want ANPR cameras to pick you up driving illegally.
Nightmare Geoff
Luckily my car only failed on a rubber bush on the anti roll bar on the front nearside which was replaced for a reasonable price
walpurgis
02-04-2018, 19:29
What would you do now if they said they couldn't take the job on?
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2018, 19:35
Exactly. And how many garages will have sufficient parking space for all these MOT failures?
Ninanina
02-04-2018, 19:39
What would you do now if they said they couldn't take the job on?
I have no idea Geoff... luckily my local Toyota dealer have always been excellent with both my Prius and Colin's Amazon and have been very reasonably priced as well. Colin likes to put fully synthetic oil in the Amazon even though the Toyota dealer doesn't use this so he supplies the oil and Toyota put it in with a new oil filter/oil drain bolt etc etc
I think most do. But no doubt it will still be possible to get caught out. Not a great scenario. Imagine your car failing the MOT and being told the test station will be unable to immediately carry out necessary remedial work. What do you do, leave it there until it can be dealt with, at a cost if they have room, or worse, be told to trailer it away.
I know where you're coming from, but if those are the new rules, then you just have to be prepared. If you take your car to be MOT'd at a garage that regularly services your car, then they'll almost certainly do their best to store your car, if the necessary work for it to pass can't be done there and then.
That would certainly be the scenario for me, or they'd lose my future business!! You've got to look after your best customers;)
However, 9 times out of 10, my car sails through its MOT, as I keep on top of anything that's needing done, certainly obvious stuff, like tyres.
Marco.
Ninanina
02-04-2018, 19:46
I know where you're coming from, but if those are the new rules, then you just have to be prepared. If you take your car to be MOT'd at a garage that regularly services your car, then they'll almost certainly do their best to store your car, if the necessary work for it to pass can't be done there and then.
That would certainly be the scenario for me, or they'd lose my future business!!;)
However, 9 times out of 10, my car sails through its MOT, as I keep on top of anything that's needing done, certainly anything obvious, such as tyres.
Marco.
Absolutely Marco
There is a lot to be said from always using one garage for both your MOT's and services, like we do with our Toyota's
There is also a lot to be said for having your car in otherwise tip top condition before putting it in for a service or MOT
walpurgis
02-04-2018, 19:53
It's another bit of nonsense legislation, the implications of which have obviously not been thought through.
We had the same with the requirement for an annually repeated SORN, needing vehicle collectors to re-do this for each vehicle every year. Fortunately, common sense eventually prevailed and the annual SORN was replaced by having to do it only once.
It's just common sense for me, Bev, rather than using some 'faceless' MOT station, where you're not known from Adam. In the worst scenario, with the garage I go to, I'd be given a courtesy car to use until mine was ready.
That's where it pays to build good relationships with people.
Marco.
Ninanina
02-04-2018, 19:55
It's another bit of nonsense legislation, the implications of which have obviously not been thought through.
That it is Geoff :(
Ninanina
02-04-2018, 20:07
It's just common sense for me, Bev, rather than using some 'faceless' MOT station, where you're not known from Adam. In the worst scenario, with the garage I go to, I'd be given a courtesy car to use until mine was ready.
However, I appreciate that sometimes for others that won't always be possible.
Marco.
Asbolutely Marco... I am quite sure that these MOT stations offering 'cheap' MOT's are just after your business for 'extra' work
We always get a nice new courtesy car from Toyota
To be honest we thought that these 'plate glass' Toyota dealers were just after our money but our local Toyota dealer has been absolutely nothing like that and have been very fair and priced very competitively
Colin had an MOT failure last year due to very worn brake discs, calipers and pads on the front, bare in mind that these are massive due to the vehicle weighing 2.5 ton... the quote from Toyota was about £2.5k which also involved using a local welder to remove the locking wheel nuts as the original nut removal tool had been lost by a 'back street' garage..
Toyota have this scheme to keep older Toyota's on the road so the bill was reduced to a mere £600 'ish for new front discs new calipers and new pads... a bit of a bargain and that included the welder to remove the locking wheel nuts
Pigmy Pony
07-04-2018, 17:24
I finally found out today what my surprise 60th birthday treat from my daughters is.
It was a few laps in some fast cars. Wahaay!
I got to drive an Audi R8 (didn't know it was a car, thought it was a scouse greeting), a Ferrari 458, and the star (for me) a Lamborghini Aventador, which has 700 bhp, top speed 215mph and 0-60 2.9 seconds (not with me driving though).
My first drive out had the instructor a bit worried, not because of my excessive speed, but because I was suffering with "cone confusion". I'm glad they had a word for it, shows I'm not alone. :) It would have been easier if they'd had MORE cones (that way I'd be more inclined to go round them, and not between them!)
I doubt I went over 80 the whole time, for fear of binning a car which was worth more than my house, but still good fun.
I finished with a "hot lap" as a passenger in a Vauxhall VXR8. Now that was scary fast, but then these guys do it every day (for wages, what a crap job eh?)
My daughters took me for a nice lunch afterwards, then it was time to race home in my Honda Civic 2.2 litre single turbocharged diesel with front wheel drive and a heady 140bhp on tap.
If I flogged all my Hifi I could probably stretch to a lambo steering wheel, then I can sit at home with the wheel, making engine noises, almost like the real thing.
Firebottle
07-04-2018, 17:31
..... almost like the real thing.
:lol:
Excellent, really pleased for you.
Pigmy Pony
08-04-2018, 18:08
Thanks Alan.
Oh by the way, I tried a pint of that 'Sneck Lifter' today. Lovely and smooth, I could get through a few pints pretty quickly.
But judging by the colour and 5 or so percent, more than a couple of pints would have looking for the door on my hands and knees, and a bad head to look forward to. But who knows, when you get "the flavour", common sense goes out the window :)
This weekend I upgraded the head unit in my Audi TT Mk1 as I will be keeping it for some time and miss some of the modern options you get in todays cars so went from the single DIN Concert head unit (I did add an XCarlink unit which allowed for hands free calls and stream music from buetooth) to a double DIN Android based unit (Andriod 8, Octo-Core processor with 4Gb RAM and 32Gb Rom).
Not taken out for a spin since the install but everything works so very happy (and the sound is excellent - better than the original HU) - a few pics:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/gninnamag/Audi%20TT/New_Stereo/20180414_192743_zpslkimaroj.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/gninnamag/Audi%20TT/New_Stereo/20180414_192822_zpsl3icntzq.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/gninnamag/Audi%20TT/New_Stereo/20180414_192912_zpszl83k2oz.jpg
rmcin626
17-04-2018, 20:11
I have changed my car, to an Audi Q5, and my normal music source, my tried and trusted 5th Gen IPod classic is not supported. I have music on my IPhone but would rather have a dedicated player/source for the car.
So do I go for a new player, or use an usb stick or SD card?
All suggestions welcome
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2018, 07:00
Not supported? FFS, whatever happened to just plugging things in?
This is why all my media is still physical.
Hope you get it sorted Robin.
Don’t you just need an adapter cable to get the iPod working?
rmcin626
18-04-2018, 11:10
Don’t you just need an adapter cable to get the iPod working?
I have the Audi adapter cable but comes up as unsupported
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2018, 19:21
That's Audi for you, and the salespeople can be quite rude - the laughed me out of the showroom when I asked where my eight track would go.
walpurgis
18-04-2018, 19:30
They got upset when I mentioned VAG in their showroom. Seems they don't like being regarded as posh Volkswagens.
rmcin626
18-04-2018, 19:44
I have not had any issues with the staff, just frustrated that my IPod won’t work, so need to go down a different route for music in the car, just not sure which one to go with.
walpurgis
18-04-2018, 19:48
What media format are they geared for? There may be a converter that can work.
rmcin626
18-04-2018, 19:58
I think the issue is because my IPod is 5th Gen classic, memory stick works ok, there is a SD slot as well. I could just use my iPhone through Bluetooth or Apple Airplay, I would prefer to have a separate source for music.
I have not had any issues with the staff, just frustrated that my IPod won’t work, so need to go down a different route for music in the car, just not sure which one to go with.
Cassettes?:D
Marco.
rmcin626
18-04-2018, 20:43
Cassettes?:D
Marco.
I wish, but it does have a cd option
They got upset when I mentioned VAG in their showroom.
Haha - I bet the female staff were particularly amused!
VAGina, you say? How about some wild beaver......
SOsm1TzqHII
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2018, 22:05
They got upset when I mentioned VAG in their showroom. Seems they don't like being regarded as posh Volkswagens.
They were fine when I mentioned it. Turns out I was in the brothel next door
walpurgis
18-04-2018, 22:16
They were fine when I mentioned it. Turns out I was in the brothel next door
Silly boy! :rolleyes:
:lolsign:
walpurgis
04-05-2018, 19:20
More half-baked proposals from the government. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/04/michael-gove-leading-plan-to-ban-sale-of-new-hybrid-cars-from-2040
Does Michael Gove have a crystal ball? He can't possibly predict whether the auto industry wiil be able to develop and provide all electric cars that do the job properly.
This just confuses things and is potentially damaging to industry.
how are they going to charge all these cars... cables out on the street etc? and where is all the lekky coming from.. we struggle to produce enough as it is and t is mostly ade from fossil fuels anyway.
walpurgis
04-05-2018, 20:00
Yup. And at the moment charging rates are far too slow anyway and with the technology available at present you can't really speed things up without risking cars turning into bombs! Lithium is not the most stable of materials.
Not too sure I'd be happy buying a car that has a battery life of maybe five years and possible £5000 replacement cost.
Pigmy Pony
07-05-2018, 09:22
How about a car with bodywork made of solar panels?
I suppose someone has done the sums and found it to be unworkable.
walpurgis
07-05-2018, 09:32
How about a car with bodywork made of solar panels?
http://i63.tinypic.com/345za87.jpg
Pigmy Pony
07-05-2018, 09:45
Might have guessed Honda would be on it. We've had our Civic for six years and electrics have worked faultlessly.
I would insist on have the parking sensors option though.
walpurgis
10-05-2018, 22:28
Give it a generation or so and petrol and diesel piston engined cars will be regarded in the same way as old piston engined biplanes are as compared to modern jet aircraft.
The range and charging time issues with electric cars will be overcome and ultra smooth, near silent and powerful motors with linear delivery will become the norm, no awkward power peaks or any need for gear changing. Vehicle servicing will become much less frequently needed, which is an attractive thought.
Unfortunately, autonomous, self driving vehicles will probably become the norm, so any prospect of fun on the road will end!!
And don't think you can save an old 'classic' car to bomb around in for enjoyment. By then, there won't be anywhere to buy fuel for it. So tough luck! :eek:
Ninanina
10-05-2018, 23:34
I'd have an electric car tomorrow if there was a way I could charge it... unless you have a driveway, which I don't, there is no safe way of doing so..
I've often thought of contacting my local authority saying I'd like to have an electric outlet outside where I could charge an electric car just to see what they would do.. :doh:
Pigmy Pony
11-05-2018, 17:22
I'm sure a competent electrician to adapt a street lamp to be a charging point. In fact that would probably work, make all lamp posts charging stations. Users could pay an agreed monthly fee to the local council to use them.
You would have to park on the same side of the road as the charging point though, we don't want to be garrotting folk.
You can keep yer electric cars! I'm a combustion engine guy, and a car enthusiast, so like to hear a nice engine note when I'm driving, or when I start the car up, and of course I love the whole 'tweaky' aspect of tuning engines and maintaining them, so for me, an electric car is a total anathema.
They're fine if all a car to you is a method of 'getting from A to B', but not if you're a passionate petrol head like me!:nono:
Marco.
walpurgis
11-05-2018, 18:06
M1 motorway closed over weekend both directions junctions 23 to 24, by Loughborough.
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/m1-closed-traffic-roadworks-diversion-1554688
That'll cause chaos!
Pigmy Pony
11-05-2018, 18:37
You can keep yer electric cars! I'm a combustion engine guy, and a car enthusiast, so like to hear a nice engine note when I'm driving, or when I start the car up, and of course I love the whole 'tweaky' aspect of tuning engines and maintaining them, so for me, an electric car is a total anathema.
They're fine if all a car to you is a method of 'getting from A to B', but not if you're a passionate petrol head like me!:nono:
Marco.
I found this letter dated 1906, from my great-great grandfather to a friend. I'll read it out to you:
You can keep your cars! I'm a horse guy, and a cart enthusiast, so I like to hear a nice horse fart when I'm driving, or when I say "giddy up", and of course I like the whole 'tweaky' aspect of feeding the horse different types of hay and mucking out their stables, so for me a car is a total anathema.
They're fine if all a car to you is a method of 'getting from A to B', but not if you're a passionate 'horse head' like me!
Sincerely yours,
Duncan Smellington-Fish esq.
p.s. that "gramophone" you bought will never catch on, people want to hear the real thing.
:lolsign:
Well, at least horses are 'real'... Riding one, properly, will be a damn sight more exhilarating than driving a nondescript electric car!;)
I absolutely abhor how the government and society are trying to 'sanitise' our lives and suck the fun out of living. It's happening in various ways; controlling the types of cars we drive, being but one, and we need to fight against it, not comply with it!
Driving a nice car should STIR YOUR SENSES, not put you to sleep!!
Marco [fighting to keep the FUN in life].
Pigmy Pony
11-05-2018, 20:23
Not stupid, this government.
First they demonise drivers of fossil-fuelled cars, giving the "tree huggers" a target for their vitriol. Like they need a target.
Then they get the public thinking, "Ooh, that electric car looks nice, should be very economical (no fuel to put in), no road tax, and we're saving the planet!" :)
Of course when we're all committed to electric cars, electricity will be taxed to buggery, road tax will return, and the resources needed to make the batteries will come close to depletion, creating more global "doom".
I for one will be keeping my plasma room-heating TV, my lovely 300b room-heating valve amp, and they'll have to pry my car and bike keys from my cold, dead fingers. :eek:
Audio Al
12-05-2018, 01:44
I found this letter dated 1906, from my great-great grandfather to a friend. I'll read it out to you:
You can keep your cars! I'm a horse guy, and a cart enthusiast, so I like to hear a nice horse fart when I'm driving, or when I say "giddy up", and of course I like the whole 'tweaky' aspect of feeding the horse different types of hay and mucking out their stables, so for me a car is a total anathema.
They're fine if all a car to you is a method of 'getting from A to B', but not if you're a passionate 'horse head' like me!
Sincerely yours,
Duncan Smellington-Fish esq.
p.s. that "gramophone" you bought will never catch on, people want to hear the real thing.
Steve , I award you " post of the day " for this , It did make me laugh :D:lol:
Pigmy Pony
12-05-2018, 07:07
Sorry, Steve couldn't be here tonight to receive this award as his usual transport has "the trots" :(
I found this letter dated 1906, from my great-great grandfather to a friend. I'll read it out to you:
You can keep your cars! I'm a horse guy, and a cart enthusiast, so I like to hear a nice horse fart when I'm driving, or when I say "giddy up", and of course I like the whole 'tweaky' aspect of feeding the horse different types of hay and mucking out their stables, so for me a car is a total anathema.
They're fine if all a car to you is a method of 'getting from A to B', but not if you're a passionate 'horse head' like me!
Sincerely yours,
Duncan Smellington-Fish esq.
p.s. that "gramophone" you bought will never catch on, people want to hear the real thing.
Ha ha, brilliant! I'd love to hear his commentary on hi-fi!
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2018, 18:56
Why are "family cars" big? Surely smaller cars are better suited.
Large cars mean large boots, forcing you to carry far too much "kid crap" everywhere with you.
Also large cars have a lot more rear leg room, putting the kids out of slapping range. :( How are you supposed to maintain discipline? By text?
I would suggest a much better family car would be a motorbike and sidecar. You would have to wear a helmet, so you don't have to hear the incessant "are we nearly there yet?" or "I need the toilet". Also, only room for one passenger, so no more arguments. The others can get the bus.
Sorry, mate, not a world I inhabit.... ;)
Marco.
Traditional ways of enforcing discipline in the car (to my recollection and in order of escalation):
1) If you don't behave I'm stopping this car.
2) I really mean it, I'll stop the car and you can get out and walk the rest of the way
3) Right if you don't stop it I'm going to stop the car and come round there and give you a belt.
4) I'm going to stop the car! I mean it!
5) Right I'm stopping the car!
6) Stop the car
7) Get out, administer belt.
Then you're good for about ten minutes until it all starts up again and you go back to stage 1.
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 07:17
From today, learner drivers can use motorways. I dread to think how that will turn out!
https://news.sky.com/story/learner-drivers-now-allowed-on-the-motorway-11394197
I think it's a great idea (in the company of an instructor, as outlined), and LONG overdue!
Quite simply, it was utterly ridiculous that you could pass a driving test, with zero experience of using a motorway, and then be expected to go on one and know what you're doing...:mental:
As any driver knows, motorway driving, because of the speeds involved, is totally different to any other kind of driving, especially in terms of judging distances and the speed of oncoming traffic, so new drivers really have to be properly trained in how to use them, before being unleashed on them.
Therefore, I'm glad to see that's now happening. It should definitely help improve safety, although it should also be made part of the test. Next what they need to do is make some form of basic mechanical knowledge part of the test (as most don't have a clue), and teach new drivers how to drive in the snow!!
Marco.
Well now that it no longer appears to be mandatory to indicate it will have dire consequences on the motorway I think.
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Well now that it no longer appears to be mandatory to indicate it will have dire consequences on the motorway I think.
Who says that, Andy?
Marco.
Me Marco , have you not experienced it that very few drivers indicate these days ?
Or they turn and then indicate ( drives me mad )
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ianlenco
04-06-2018, 08:07
..........especially in terms of judging distances and the speed of oncoming traffic..............
Marco.
Ooh er Missus!
.......but I totally agree with you about it being a good idea.
Me Marco , have you not experienced it that very few drivers indicate these days ?
Or they turn and then indicate ( drives me mad )
Ah right, lol... I thought you were referring to a new law that's been introduced for motorway driving!:D
Yeah, that pisses me off too, especially at roundabouts! I'd impose on the spot fines, on the fuckers.
Marco.
Ooh er Missus!
.......but I totally agree with you about it being a good idea.
Sorry, Ian, don't get that bit:scratch:
Marco.
ianlenco
04-06-2018, 08:22
Sorry, Ian, don't get that bit:scratch:
Marco.
It's the thought of oncoming traffic on a motorway :) Letting learners on motorways is as you said, a good idea.
You can keep yer electric cars! I'm a combustion engine guy, and a car enthusiast, so like to hear a nice engine note when I'm driving, or when I start the car up, and of course I love the whole 'tweaky' aspect of tuning engines and maintaining them, so for me, an electric car is a total anathema.
They're fine if all a car to you is a method of 'getting from A to B', but not if you're a passionate petrol head like me!:nono:
Marco.
Ian's recipe for motoring nirvana=petrol, 8 cylinders, roarty exhaust...…..simples
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 09:16
Ian's recipe for motoring nirvana=petrol, 8 cylinders, roarty exhaust...…..simples
I'm currently on 3 small cylinders, petrol, no exhaust noise. :)
I'm currently on 3 small cylinders, petrol, no exhaust noise. :)
Ah but it's petrol Geoff, not the devil's alternative, electricity. My current wheels has 6 medium cylinders and a pleasant exhaust note, at least I can hear the Harmon Kardon stereo. My old Audi S6 was a V8, sounded lovely but did pull to the left going past petrol stations lol.
It's the thought of oncoming traffic on a motorway :) Letting learners on motorways is as you said, a good idea.
Ah yes, let's say upcoming traffic instead:)
Marco.
Ah but it's petrol Geoff, not the devil's alternative, electricity. My current wheels has 6 medium cylinders and a pleasant exhaust note, at least I can hear the Harmon Kardon stereo. My old Audi S6 was a V8, sounded lovely but did pull to the left going past petrol stations lol.
...which is why my quad-exhausted 3.5L V6 is a diesel;)
Marco.
From today, learner drivers can use motorways. I dread to think how that will turn out!
https://news.sky.com/story/learner-drivers-now-allowed-on-the-motorway-11394197
There's been a rush on brown trousers from driving instructors.
From today, learner drivers can use motorways. I dread to think how that will turn out!
https://news.sky.com/story/learner-drivers-now-allowed-on-the-motorway-11394197
There should be no real difference compared to dual carriageway. In fact I would say that the dual carriageway is probably more dangerous.
Ah right, lol... I thought you were referring to a new law that's been introduced for motorway driving!:D
Yeah, that pisses me off too, especially at roundabouts! I'd impose on the spot fines, on the fuckers.
Marco.
Not indicating at roundabouts !!! Don’t get me going [emoji35] and I’m in Milton Keynes
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Not indicating has been the fashion round here for years although indicating after performing the manoeuvre is now catching on too.
Doing 30 in a 40 zone is also traditional, you must be over 60 and in a small Japanese or Korean car*, pick a good dual carriageway in rush hour and just dawdle along, see how far you can get the tailback to stretch.
* 20 years ago it would have been a Triumph Acclaim or a Rover 214, however today's participants are the now ageing sons of those original pioneers. They are unable to replicate the cars exactly due to them having rusted away in the intervening decades; consequently they have had to go to the far east manufacturers to find suitably uninspiring vehicular replacements, Daewoo are especially recommended.
Hahahaha.... That is *so* true, mate! :lol:
However, I soon force the dawdling old tossers to SHIFT when I'm behind them;)
Marco.
Not indicating has been the fashion round here for years although indicating after performing the manoeuvre is now catching on too.
Doing 30 in a 40 zone is also traditional, you must be over 60 and in a small Japanese or Korean car*, pick a good dual carriageway in rush hour and just dawdle along, see how far you can get the tailback to stretch.
* 20 years ago it would have been a Triumph Acclaim or a Rover 214, however today's participants are the now ageing sons of those original pioneers. They are unable to replicate the cars exactly due to them having rusted away in the intervening decades; consequently they have had to go to the far east manufacturers to find suitably uninspiring vehicular replacements, Daewoo are especially recommended.
So is so true ( also the old Volvo 345 ? ) now you get young woman checking their sharpie eyebrows whilst doing 90 mph in their little Vauxhall corsa
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Won't work here mate, you can get right up behind them, flash your lights, beep at them, they won't even notice you are there.
Saw one just the other day, right behind him for ages, he finally gets to a roundabout and just sails across it without slowing down or looking right, misses a collision with a car already coming round by literally inches.
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 13:16
I notice everything around me when I'm driving and if some impatient sod wants to tailgate me, they can do it very slowly. I just shut the throttle and take the speed right down!
Won't work here mate, you can get right up behind them, flash your lights, beep at them, they won't even notice you are there.
They usually get the message when you overtake, and then (safely) slow down in front of them to 5mph, so that this time YOU are holding THEM up:D. Then hold that position for a bit, and for watch their reaction in your rear-view mirror!;)
Then give them a nice big 'two-fingered salute'.... :upyours: At the very least, you'll have got a giggle out of giving them a taste of their own medicine, and the satisfaction of having woken them up from their self-imposed stupor! [tee-hee].
Marco.
I notice everything around me when I'm driving and if some impatient sod wants to tailgate me...
Lol - it's not about tailgating, which is dangerous; it's about waking some doddery old fool out of his or her slumber, who's selfishly holding everyone else back, just because he or she has all the time in the world.
What's worse: impatience or pure selfishness?;)
Marco.
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 13:30
Dunno if anybody else has noticed, but apart from 'white van man' most tailgaters seem to be women. Well around here anyway. That lack of spatial awareness thing I suppose.
Dunno if anybody else has noticed, but apart from 'white van man' most tailgaters seem to be women. Well around here anyway. That lack of spatial awareness thing I suppose.
I’ll be coming to you in a white van soon mate and terrorising your neighbourhood [emoji23]
That is if you still don’t mind helping me ?[emoji16]
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walpurgis
04-06-2018, 13:35
I guess one more white van around here won't make any odds. :)
I'd ban them from coming out at rush hour altogether. Retired people have all day every day to do whatever it is they do, there is no need to have them dawdling about between 0730 - 0900 and 1630 - 1830.
I never used to be able to get the bus to work as it would just sail past the stop because it was full of pensioners.
They get up at about 0500 so by 0800 they have done all of the pottering about around the house they can manage so it's time to get the bus down to Woolworths where they will spend an hour examining every item in the store.
Then they purchase a new salt cellar or something equally unnecessary (as long as it costs less than ten bob) before doddering off somewhere else, the bank or the post office usually, where they will complain in a loud voice about having to wait in a long queue due to 'all the foreigners'.
I'd ban them from coming out at rush hour altogether. Retired people have all day every day to do whatever it is they do, there is no need to have them dawdling about between 0730 - 0900 and 1630 - 1830.
I never used to be able to get the bus to work as it would just sail past the stop because it was full of pensioners.
They get up at about 0500 so by 0800 they have done all of the pottering about around the house they can manage so it's time to get the bus down to Woolworths where they will spend an hour examining every item in the store.
Then they purchase a new salt cellar or something equally unnecessary (as long as it costs less than ten bob) before doddering off somewhere else, the bank or the post office, where they will complain in a loud voice about having to wait in a long queue due to 'all the foreigners'.
Brilliant [emoji23][emoji23]
You are a descriptive genius
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:lolsign: :lolsign:
Marco.
If practice makes perfect then why are taxi ( Asian ) drivers so very bad at driving ?
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We laugh but properly organised they could bring the entire country to a halt.
My missus is an awful driver too , how she has driven for 20 years without reversing is beyond me.
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walpurgis
04-06-2018, 13:53
Retired people have all day every day to do whatever it is they do, there is no need to have them dawdling about between 0730 - 0900 and 1630 - 1830.
I'm retired. But anybody referring to me as 'doddery' could well find an Uchi-Mata firmly applied to them!! :eek:
I'm retired. But anybody referring to me as 'doddery' could well find an Uchi-Mata firmly applied to them!! :eek:
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
I was waiting for an ole doddering retiree to say something [emoji6]
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I'm retired too. Not doddery, but have been known to potter.
Then they purchase a new salt cellar or something equally unnecessary (as long as it costs less than ten bob) before doddering off somewhere else, the bank or the post office usually, where they will complain in a loud voice about having to wait in a long queue due to 'all the foreigners'.
I use an Italian barbers about five minutes walk from here. They're lovely blokes for the most part, but one slightly scary one is prone to rant about 'foreigners' and 'immigrants' whilst waving sharp scissors or a razor near one's head. His family came to Britain in the 1960s.
I use an Italian barbers about five minutes walk from here. They're lovely blokes for the most part, but one slightly scary one is prone to rant about 'foreigners' and 'immigrants' whilst waving sharp scissors or a razor near one's head. His family came to Britain in the 1960s.
My Jamaican pal can also be quite forthright on the subject. There's nothing like pulling the drawbridge up after you :)
have been known to potter.
Yes, I'm prone to that these days, sometimes I do it in the garden.
Pigmy Pony
04-06-2018, 19:57
A few years ago (maybe 30 years) drivers off Metros and Maestros were the worst dawdlers.
One day a friend was giving me a lift somewhere. We got to a junction where he had to stop and give way. There was a Metro coming down the road, and just before it reached us, my mate pulled out in front of it, and accelerated to 15mph and held that speed for a couple of hundred yards, shouting out of the window "see how you like it you bastard!"
Metro drivers wearing Trilbys were the worst of all.
Metros are all but extinct, and a good thing too. :) Although we have Daewoo Matiz these days.
I have noticed an increase in the number of drivers (mostly women) who fail to notice when the lights have turned to green. Judging by the way their head is facing, I would say they are using the red light as an opportunity to catch up on their Facebook.
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 20:05
I have noticed an increase in the number of drivers (mostly women) who fail to notice when the lights have turned to green. Judging by the way their head is facing, I would say they are using the red light as an opportunity to catch up on their Facebook.
Or rummaging through handbags or changing radio stations or CD's. They just can't pay attention to the road for more than a few moments.
Yes, I'm prone to that these days, sometimes I do it in the garden.
I hope you dig a hole afterwards and bury it!:D
Marco.
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 20:08
we have Daewoo Matiz these days
That's just about the only car smaller than mine. :)
http://i65.tinypic.com/2hr1mhh.jpg
Although we have Daewoo Matiz these days.
Is that the latest motorised 'shopping trolley'?:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
04-06-2018, 20:23
Is that the latest motorised 'shopping trolley'?:D
Marco.
They could use them at supermarkets. As long as there's a slot in the back for the £1 coin, so they don't end up in the canal.
I had to go to a hospital appointment today and was taken in a hospital car, a new Skoda Octavia. Now I'm a big bloke and I sometimes struggle fitting in cars but this Skoda was like a tardis. Lots of space even for me and a really nice place to be. It was only a 1.6 TD but it was very nippy and really quiet. I drove the first Octavia when they first came out and to be honest it was a bit crude, definitely felt like it came from VW's reject parts bin but this latest model feels every bit German in design and build quality, but the thing is it was more expensive than the equivalent VW Passat. Not a cheap car anymore.
Pigmy Pony
04-06-2018, 20:25
Or rummaging through handbags or changing radio stations or CD's. They just can't pay attention to the road for more than a few moments.
They call it multitasking. Apparently blokes are no good at this.
They could use them at supermarkets. As long as there's a slot in the back for the £1 coin, so they don't end up in the canal.
Ha - if you ever see me thinking about buying something like that, SHOOT ME first! :guns:
:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
Too busy rummaging to dress properly?
https://youtu.be/P-0QfCcoNXg
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 20:33
They call it multitasking. Apparently blokes are no good at this.
Hmm. Driving a car is a complex bit of multitasking. Draw your own conclusions!
Pigmy Pony
04-06-2018, 20:34
My Jamaican pal can also be quite forthright on the subject. There's nothing like pulling the drawbridge up after you :)
It's quite funny really. It's only racist if you're white.
I did a lot of work once for a family of Hindus, whose daughter constantly complained about Muslims, with choice words I couldn't possibly repeat! And a couple of years ago I fitted a new door for a Muslim man who went on about "Polish people coming over here and taking all our jobs".
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 20:36
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally! ;)
Too busy rummaging to dress properly?
https://youtu.be/P-0QfCcoNXg
Nice granny pants!:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
04-06-2018, 20:40
Ha - if you ever see me thinking about buying something like that, SHOOT ME first! :guns:
:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
You need something better suited to your Italian heritage - how about a Fiat Panda?
Pigmy Pony
04-06-2018, 20:44
Hmm. Driving a car is a complex bit of multitasking. Draw your own conclusions!
Yes. The days of driving while talking on the phone, changing the CD and rolling a spliff are long gone. Too many knobheads on the road, got to have your wits about you!
You need something better suited to your Italian heritage - how about a Fiat Panda?
Ah yes, affectionately known as 'the sieve'.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
04-06-2018, 20:56
Them Fiat 500 Abarths look like they would be fun.
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 20:58
Them Fiat 500 Abarths look like they would be fun.
Still a Punto under the skin though.
Pigmy Pony
04-06-2018, 21:04
That's like saying Nicole Kidman is just Anne Widdicombe under the skin.
Fewer saddlebags, though.
Marco.
walpurgis
04-06-2018, 21:09
That's like saying Nicole Kidman is just Anne Widdicombe under the skin.
The other way round surely?
All the same to a blind man I dare say. :D
Pigmy Pony
05-06-2018, 17:57
I fried my head a little trying to think it through, but yeah, I think I got it the right way round.
Nicole's skin, with Anne inside.
Like Abarth 500 skin, with Punto inside.
Quite a pointless analogy really, and not very appealing. Poor Nicole's skin would be stretched to buggery, to the point that her skin would be translucent, and you would see Widders inside.
That's it, I'll be having nightmares tonight. :(
Anyway, I saw my next car while out today. A Merc SL55 AMG. Sounded like the end of the world was coming, I'm a bit put off by the 12mpg though. Apart from the looks, power, bulletproof build, exhaust sound, poor fuel economy and name it's basically a Daewoo Matiz.
Audio Al
05-06-2018, 17:58
I hope you dig a hole afterwards and bury it!:D
Marco.
:lol::D
Pigmy Pony
05-06-2018, 18:01
Ignore my previous post, I now think I did get it the wrong way round. Thanks Geoff, you've broken my head. :(
walpurgis
05-06-2018, 18:04
Ignore my previous post, I now think I did get it the wrong way round. Thanks Geoff, you've broken my head. :(
Think nothing of it! :)
walpurgis
09-06-2018, 13:45
Tesla S P100D!
I was behind one of these yesterday, on a slip road onto the A40. We were both doing about 30mph, as he entered the main carriageway, he put his foot down and just vanished into the distance. I have never seen a road car accelerate that fast before, EVER! It was truly spectacular!!
Here's a Top Gear test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHhZ9jk-DrU
And here are some passenger reactions. Very funny :): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3nU1K-fUnk
must have been the plus version. supposedly scary f1 stuff when selected :D 140 grand tho
walpurgis
09-06-2018, 14:34
must have been the plus version. supposedly scary f1 stuff when selected :D 140 grand tho
They are introducing a proper sports car that is about 30% quicker. Should be devastating!
walpurgis
09-06-2018, 14:41
This: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/roadster
your there before you thought about it.
walpurgis
09-06-2018, 14:55
your there before you thought about it.
Well you could certainly get yourself in a whole load of trouble in the blink of an eye.
aye a bit too fast for our roads tbh.
Pigmy Pony
09-06-2018, 17:29
A stupidly fast car that you won't hear coming, it'll all end in tears, you mark my words :( The Fun Police (aka the police ) will be on it like a tramp on a sandwich.
spendorman
09-06-2018, 17:57
A few years ago (maybe 30 years) drivers off Metros and Maestros were the worst dawdlers.
One day a friend was giving me a lift somewhere. We got to a junction where he had to stop and give way. There was a Metro coming down the road, and just before it reached us, my mate pulled out in front of it, and accelerated to 15mph and held that speed for a couple of hundred yards, shouting out of the window "see how you like it you bastard!"
Metro drivers wearing Trilbys were the worst of all.
Metros are all but extinct, and a good thing too. :) Although we have Daewoo Matiz these days.
I have noticed an increase in the number of drivers (mostly women) who fail to notice when the lights have turned to green. Judging by the way their head is facing, I would say they are using the red light as an opportunity to catch up on their Facebook.
I've still got my Dad's Metro Vanden Plas Automatic in my drive, Dad passed away in 1991. The car is not too bad a condition.
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 09:13
If I had a Metro I would consider joining the owners' club. He goes to Knutsford Services every Sunday. He always takes the A roads, which must make it a nightmare for caravanners. Sometimes he goes on the bus.
Well you could certainly get yourself in a whole load of trouble in the blink of an eye.
Is that the electric thing? If so, it wouldn't interest me in the slightest, no matter how fast it goes, because as well as being pinned back in my seat, I like to hear a nice ROAR when I accelerate!:exactly:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 09:42
I'm sure there must be a way to simulate engine/exhaust sounds in these cars if only for safety reasons. Remember the old "Loud pipes save lives" slogan?
I'm sure there must be a way to simulate engine/exhaust sounds in these cars if only for safety reasons. Remember the old "Loud pipes save lives" slogan?
there was a company years ago that did that. you could make the car sound like anything, inside and out..
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 09:54
That's interesting, as I would like my Honda Civic to sound like a Shelby Mustang. :)
Interesting, could be a giggle... I also like folk to hear I'm coming, not potentially just for safety reasons, but because it puts a smile on my face when they can hear the growl of my engine, especially admiring 'petrol heads,' when they see what's making the noise...:eyebrows:
Electric cars simply take all the FUN out of driving!
Marco [continually waging war against the 'fun police'].
walpurgis
10-06-2018, 10:02
I'm sure there must be a way to simulate engine/exhaust sounds in these cars if only for safety reasons. Remember the old "Loud pipes save lives" slogan?
I don't think there's a problem really. The Honda Insight and Toyota Prius hybrids are near silent and have been around for years without significant issues and plenty of big Jags and Mercs and the like waft along making very little noise.
walpurgis
10-06-2018, 10:04
Electric cars simply take all the FUN out of driving!
That Tesla looked like a lot of fun actually. :)
That Tesla looked like quite a lot of fun actually. :)
If you don't have your head against the rest you can damage your neck apparently. Acceleration is so immensely fast
walpurgis
10-06-2018, 10:09
No headrests on motorbikes (usually) and plenty of them can go that quick. :)
That Tesla looked like a lot of fun actually. :)
Might be to drive, to an extent, but any true petrol head likes engine/exhaust noise.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 10:18
The problem wouldn't be so much for the driver, as he knows when the accelerating and braking is going to happen, and subconsciously braces himself for it. It's the passenger who will have the problem.
When me and Mrs. P are out and about, with her driving (usually the case), and I'm busy looking at the back of my eyelids with a tartan rug across my lap and a half eaten Werthers Original stuck to my bottom lip, whiplash injuries are a real possibility.
This: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/roadster
0-60 in 1.9 seconds? Yes please.
You can stick your big turbo diesels where the sun does not shine...
All it needs is a V8 soundtrack on the stereo, and it will keep me happy.
0-60 in 1.9 seconds?
You can stick your big turbo diesels where the sun does not shine...
:lolsign::ner:
Marco.
0-60 in 1.9 seconds? Yes please.
.
I wonder how many times you can do that before the battery runs low and you end up sat in a service station for an hour whilst it charges up again? I'm guessing not many.
Some of the better ones are self-charging. Still wouldn't entertain one, though. I'll take a Porsche 911 (for it's looks and reasonably mentalist speed), or a Bugatti Chiron, for the former and its off-the-scale speed!!;)
Yes, that's a lot more expensive, but it would also be a LOT more fun! Hey baby, lemmie hear your ROAR!!:D
Marco.
walpurgis
10-06-2018, 11:35
0-60 in 1.9 seconds? Yes please.
Still quite slow by some standards. I have actually seen a car do 0 to 100mph in 0.25 seconds.
This isn't much slower than that electric abomination, but is a *proper* sports car:
https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-gt2-rs/911-gt2-rs/
Oh YEAH baby!! :eek::drool:
Marco.
willbewill
10-06-2018, 12:28
No headrests on motorbikes (usually) and plenty of them can go that quick. :)Permanent damage to my neck from biking...not from acceleration though, it was more from the rapid stop on impact with the road.[emoji33]
willbewill
10-06-2018, 12:32
So ok the Tesla goes quick off the line in a straight line, but is it fun to drive? I'll take an Ariel Atom please.
Yeah, one of those, too! Realistically, only a fanny (with more money than sense, or not enough to buy something proper), certainly not a true petrol head, would buy one of those electric abominations.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 12:58
Still quite slow by some standards. I have actually seen a car do 0 to 100mph in 0.25 seconds.
I remember that. Wasn't it Mike Mercury driving? :D
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 13:01
Permanent damage to my neck from biking...not from acceleration though, it was more from the rapid stop on impact with the road.[emoji33]
Ah, Obstacle Induced Sudden Deceleration Syndrome - I've had that too.
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 13:09
Yeah, one of those, too! Realistically, only a fanny (with more money than sense), certainly not a true petrol head, would buy one of those electric abominations.
Marco.
"Electric Abomination" - that's what Mrs. P's latest toy is called. :D The petrol powered one was becoming uneconomical to run.
And Marco, you should know this - why do those shops always have bead curtains in the doorway?
Yeah, one of those, too! Realistically, only a fanny (with more money than sense, or not enough to buy something proper), certainly not a true petrol head, would buy one of those electric abominations.
Marco.
I would have one as my daily drive, keeping the 7 in the garage for fun time.
I don't want a car you have to plug in every few mile, sod that. Money no object it would be the Mercedes McLaren SLR 722, it's got it all, amazing looks, earth shattering soundtrack and enough power to move a planet. If it's money no object who cares about 7mpg.
http://i63.tinypic.com/n3vk3m.jpg
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder with that one...
I don't like that at all. It looks like someone has grabbed the nose of an SLK and stretched it out.
I would much rather have something like the Vanquish Zagato,
probably get a newer version of what i have:doh:...boring but good. might get a range rover for cruisin':eyebrows:
i wouldnt, not, get an electric tho,
I would have one as my daily drive, keeping the 7 in the garage for fun time.
Decent plan, but I just wouldn't touch electric.
Marco.
I don't want a car you have to plug in every few mile, sod that. Money no object it would be the Mercedes McLaren SLR 722, it's got it all, amazing looks, earth shattering soundtrack and enough power to move a planet. If it's money no object who cares about 7mpg.
http://i63.tinypic.com/n3vk3m.jpg
No doubt I'd love the performance, but don't really dig the looks, especially those blingy 'Dubai oil baron' wheels!:nono:
Just too wanky. Needs to look more brutal:D
Marco.
a fast electric could be the ideal hitman's car. they wont hear you coming:eyebrows:
Decent plan, but I just wouldn't touch electric.
Marco.
It is faster than many performance petrol cars, and is the future.
I am just waiting for them to be available with super capacitors and have a better range before going 100% electric.
The next is likely to be a hybrid, and probably quite boring. It is getting to the point where you just can’t use a fast car properly on the roads, and with the speed limit being dropped to 50mph on the twisty bits, the fun is rapidly disappearing.
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 15:19
A few people on here saying they would never buy an electric car. Easy to say when you have a choice. But whether you like it or not, it's coming.
The government will never say you have to buy electric, they'll just say 'you want to stick with your petrol/diesel cars, fine, but your road tax will be 2 grand a year, fuel prices will rapidly reach and pass the £2 per litre mark, and just wait till MOT time. Your motor's emissions need to be no more than 20% of the current standards, or you won't get your ticket.
Ownership and use of petrol cars will become a privilege of the wealthy, like holiday homes and yachts. So it's unlikely the policy makers themselves will be affected.
And just wait and see the character assassination they'll do on petrol-heads, they'll be a social pariahs, like smokers and people who like Celine Dion.
walpurgis
10-06-2018, 15:32
A few people on here saying they would never buy an electric car. Easy to say when you have a choice. But whether you like it or not, it's coming.
It is. But knowing the age of many here, I suspect by that time, their electric 'car' will look rather like this.
http://i65.tinypic.com/29boznp.jpg
spendorman
10-06-2018, 15:38
It is. But knowing the age of many here, I suspect by that time, their electric 'car' will look rather like this.
http://i65.tinypic.com/29boznp.jpg
Colin's version:
https://youtu.be/i2D2fP6yBzU
walpurgis
10-06-2018, 15:43
Colin's version
Doesn't sound very electric though. :)
spendorman
10-06-2018, 15:48
Doesn't sound very electric though. :)
Ah, Photoinduction did a souped up e version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ffg6QUDwM
spendorman
10-06-2018, 15:53
Here's another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLo0p0QLiBI
Pigmy Pony
10-06-2018, 15:53
It is. But knowing the age of many here, I suspect by that time, their electric 'car' will look rather like this.
http://i65.tinypic.com/29boznp.jpg
I quite like that, but where's the cup holders? And I'd need a little cubby hole for me fags. :)
walpurgis
10-06-2018, 15:58
So ok the Tesla goes quick off the line in a straight line, but is it fun to drive? I'll take an Ariel Atom please.
Did somebody mention Ariel Atom?
Here's an electric one wiping out top Ferraris and Porsches :D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXqYbNEiW0Y
I got shunted off the pavement by one of those things on my way back from the pub this lunch time, it's not safe to ride a bike anywhere these days.
It is getting to the point where you just can’t use a fast car properly on the roads, and with the speed limit being dropped to 50mph on the twisty bits, the fun is rapidly disappearing.
Is that a French thing? That certainly isn't the case here (in Wales). You can drive up to the national speed limit almost anywhere on country roads, so in that respect I'm still having plenty of fun.
Besides, as I've said before, having a fast car, for me, is mostly about the acceleration (0-60), not the top speed, which you simply can't use. That's why, given a choice, I'd always take a car that, say, had a maximum speed of 90mph, but was blisteringly quick getting there, over one with, say, a top speed of 140mph, but a much slower 0-60.
Marco.
A few people on here saying they would never buy an electric car. Easy to say when you have a choice. But whether you like it or not, it's coming.
The government will never say you have to buy electric, they'll just say 'you want to stick with your petrol/diesel cars, fine, but your road tax will be 2 grand a year, fuel prices will rapidly reach and pass the £2 per litre mark, and just wait till MOT time. Your motor's emissions need to be no more than 20% of the current standards, or you won't get your ticket.
I take your point, and I'm sure that, in due course, they'll penalise drivers of petrol/diesel cars accordingly, but not to the ridiculous levels you've quoted.
I'd certainly be willing to pay a reasonable premium on fuel and road tax, in order to keep my petrol or diesel car, and in terms of emissions, whilst no doubt they'll tighten up on it, they'll also have to be realistic.
And just wait and see the character assassination they'll do on petrol-heads, they'll be a social pariahs, like smokers and people who like Celine Dion.
Lol... Bring it on! I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck what people think. If *I* want to drive a petrol or diesel car, whilst doing so remains legal, I'll do it, if for no other reason than refusing to 'conform to the norm'!! But mostly because I insist on driving being fun.
:exactly:
Marco [refuses to be brainwashed or controlled by 'the system'].
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