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InThe Sticks
20-03-2021, 08:18
The hoist was fitted before I got car at dealers.
And this is where the problems can start.
My main role at Toyota/Lexus was as a prep tech which meant I fitted all the genuine accessories (tow bars, sat nav, parking sensors, stereo upgrades and basically anything that’s an optional extra) and these need to be plumbed into the wiring looms correctly, and by that I mean fitted as it would be at the factory.
This in turn means, dashboards out, carpets out, seats out etc so I could get at various loom plugs to pin in the wiring needed, which is extremely labour intensive.
The problem with non gen accessories is that when fitted the wiring is hacked into the looms via solder (bad) or scotch locks (fucking terrible) and this in turn can play havoc with the can bus system.
ECU’s (the most basic cars will have 30+ of them) are required to see certain voltages and certain systems run on different voltages, so when someone starts adding stuff into the system it causes all manner of problems between the ECU’s as they all “talk” to each other via the can bus. Even a badly soldered joint that’s causing resistance will cause mayhem.
Where I work now if theres a broken or damaged wire in any of the safety systems or in any other system that “may” impact said system then Mercedes insist on a new loom being fitted, absolutely zero repairs are allowed, period.
There is a very good reason for that.
I’m not saying all aftermarket stuff fitted is bad, but, the majority of drain problems I’ve seen over the years are a direct cause of it.
as i say its possible of course, but its so intermittent its a difficult one to assess. goes fine for 6 months or a year and then one night it just drops to 4v. battery u/s. machines say wont take full charge etc. i get feeling software is at fault. its just my feeling, but as an ee myself it fits.
dave2010
20-03-2021, 19:25
Have you checked that water is not getting into the area with some of the batteries? Some Toyotas seem to have a water ingress problem which causes corrosion, and/or shorts and hence battery drain.
Shouldn’t happen, as your car is fairly new IIRC, but ....
Have you checked that water is not getting into the area with some of the batteries? Some Toyotas seem to have a water ingress problem which causes corrosion, and/or shorts and hence battery drain.
Shouldn’t happen, as your car is fairly new IIRC, but ....Can't say I've noticed any around the small battery. It's odd tho that this issue has been going on for years. Anyway as much as I love the car it's unlikely I will get another. But not impossible. Tbh I'm being priced out of market now for cars suitable size wise. Costs are spiraling and it may be it won't be feasible to get another decent sized car I can get in to.
Pigmy Pony
21-03-2021, 08:08
Can't say I've noticed any around the small battery. It's odd tho that this issue has been going on for years. Anyway as much as I love the car it's unlikely I will get another. But not impossible. Tbh I'm being priced out of market now for cars suitable size wise. Costs are spiraling and it may be it won't be feasible to get another decent sized car I can get in to.
Just a thought Grant, but what about having the other option of having the Motability paid into your bank and then find a decent used car? This is what Mrs P did with hers. Or has it all changed now? She could tell me but she's still in bed, lazy arse :)
Just a thought Grant, but what about having the other option of having the Motability paid into your bank and then find a decent used car? This is what Mrs P did with hers. Or has it all changed now? She could tell me but she's still in bed, lazy arse :)
no, i think you can do that still... ive a few options; one is i can take this car for longer if i want(afaik) mileage wise its still pretty new
You should deffo do that. Will your hoist fit in a MkIII Jensen Interceptor?
You should deffo do that. Will your hoist fit in a MkIII Jensen Interceptor?
it might but i wouldnt:D
InThe Sticks
25-03-2021, 17:53
New boots ready for the biking season.
Durable in the centre with a super sticky compound on the edges.
I should have no fear hanging it into the corners with these fitted :)
https://i.imgur.com/zYMxy7K.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RMKT4GJ.jpg
I do enjoy the stickers telling one where to fit said tyre.
I'd love to see someone try and fit a 190 rear tyre onto the front wheel of a bike.
Pigmy Pony
25-03-2021, 18:25
A word of caution Jon - they are only rated up to 167 mph ;)
InThe Sticks
25-03-2021, 20:23
A word of caution Jon - they are only rated up to 167 mph ;)
Oh no!
I fitted a bigger rear sprocket the other day to give even more insane acceleration, because obviously it isn't fast enough already, but it will reduce the top speed significantly, so I should be good to go :D
And to be fair, anything over 150mph on a naked bike has ones head wobbling around more than Sturgeon giving evidence under oath.
Obviously the sprocket had to be KTM orange..
https://i.imgur.com/PKXltcM.jpg
Pigmy Pony
25-03-2021, 21:57
I fitted a bigger rear sprocket the other day to give even more insane acceleration, because obviously it isn't fast enough already, but it will reduce the top speed significantly, so I should be good to go :D
:eek: I predict frequent rear tyre purchases - hope you've budgeted :) If you could just shave another 2.5 seconds off your 0-60, you'll be arriving before you set off - something to aim for!
Firebottle
26-03-2021, 07:12
There doesn't look to be a great deal of chain clearance, what was the original sprocket size?
InThe Sticks
26-03-2021, 08:25
There doesn't look to be a great deal of chain clearance, what was the original sprocket size?
38>40 teeth.
There’s plenty of clearance and plenty of chain adjustment.
It’s a very common mod on that bike as it increases the revs in the lower gears and makes for a smoother ride.
Much better for 3rd gear wheelies as well :D
I will need some tyres next month for my Speed Triple. Will use the PR4's for my 1st track day next month and then will swap them for summat stickier for my next track day.
Pigmy Pony
26-03-2021, 16:18
Got my renewal notice from Bennetts yesterday for the Pony Express. Gone up from £186 to £251, even though I haven't made a claim in 18 years. And they've put a value of £1500 on it, though I know that age of Blade with such low miles and in that condition will be worth double that and then some. Taking the piss.
I know if I called them and said I've had a better quote they would do something about it, but tough titty - they should have come with a competitive quote in the first place, instead of trying it on. Time to shop around. A quote from Hastings is coming in cheaper than Bennetts was last year.
Got my renewal notice from Bennetts yesterday for the Pony Express. Gone up from £186 to £251, even though I haven't made a claim in 18 years. And they've put a value of £1500 on it, though I know that age of Blade with such low miles and in that condition will be worth double that and then some. Taking the piss.
I know if I called them and said I've had a better quote they would do something about it, but tough titty - they should have come with a competitive quote in the first place, instead of trying it on. Time to shop around. A quote from Hastings is coming in cheaper than Bennetts was last year.
my last car was with hastings.. good prices normally
Pigmy Pony
26-03-2021, 16:44
Yes, Hastings are looking favourite... I can also save a bit if I pay it in one go - normally it goes out in monthly instalments but APR is quite hefty. And I can afford it for a change, been a better than normal earning year, thanks to no bugger going on holiday.
Firebottle
26-03-2021, 18:41
Have you tried Grove and Dean, or Adrian Flux for insurance?
Let us know if you get a more competitive quote.
InThe Sticks
26-03-2021, 20:12
New rubber fitted today at work..
https://i.imgur.com/wQxGvwM.jpg
As engineering goes, that set up is super nice!
https://i.imgur.com/lLGKVBo.jpg
Tyres strapped on and ready for the biking season :D
Filterlab
27-03-2021, 06:33
Nice Arabic number plate. :D
Tyres strapped on and ready for the biking season :D
Enjoy! When are you lot out of lockdown then, so you can have some fun?:)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
27-03-2021, 13:34
Enjoy! When are you lot out of lockdown then, so you can have some fun?:)
Marco.
From 29th March we will no longer be ordered to "stay home". In its place we will be asked to "stay local", but with no enforcement of distance limits provided we return home the same day. That is my understanding.
Pigmy Pony
27-03-2021, 13:38
Anyway, why are you spending your first day of "freedom" chained to your pc? I thought you were going out with your bucket and spade :)
walpurgis
27-03-2021, 14:02
From 29th March we will no longer be ordered to "stay home". In its place we will be asked to "stay local", but with no enforcement of distance limits provided we return home the same day. That is my understanding.
Maybe it's "stay local" to the places you want to visit? :scratch:
Pigmy Pony
27-03-2021, 14:38
Maybe it's "stay local" to the places you want to visit? :scratch:
Maybe, but I just read it as "Go where you please, just don't expect the shops to be open" Good enough for me, as long as I can find a butty van, so I can undo all the time and effort Honda put into shaving a few hundred grams off me Fireblade :)
Still tied to our locale and then only if you have to, up here. Akas after being lowest for some time, we are highest now, and my area is the daddy of our councils.
Mostly I think younger folk tbh, but still you would have hoped they might have learnt something over last year.
Obviously not.
Ali Tait
27-03-2021, 18:45
They should have kept the schools off longer imo.
Anyway, why are you spending your first day of "freedom" chained to your pc? I thought you were going out with your bucket and spade :)
Lol - turned out to be too cold for the princess, so she didn't want to go! Even worse weather tomorrow, so I think the bucket and spade will be kept for the middle of next week, when some proper warm weather is due, and she may even get to road test her new bikini!:D
Marco.
P.S It's my understanding that you guys are to be properly let out your cages (as we are now) on the 12th April.. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/965011/COVID-19_Response_-_Spring_2021___Summary_-_Easy_Read_.pdf
InThe Sticks
27-03-2021, 19:54
Got a new camera mount today as the cam was previously mounted on my helmet and no matter what angle I had it, it showed the speedo, which is not good at the speeds I ride.
I’ve got to say, for £15 its bit of a bargain with an all alloy construction and it’s super sturdy.
https://i.imgur.com/lPmXz1K.jpg
Pigmy Pony
27-03-2021, 22:28
Got a new camera mount today as the cam was previously mounted on my helmet and no matter what angle I had it, it showed the speedo, which is not good at the speeds I ride.
I’ve got to say, for £15 its bit of a bargain with an all alloy construction and it’s super sturdy.
https://i.imgur.com/lPmXz1K.jpg
Yeah, that kind of footage would prove your guilt beyond reasonable doubt :( Any chance of posting any of your vids? That would be entertaining. Several years ago I had a tank-mounted camera for a trip round Europe, and the footage of me riding mountain roads in Andorra looked like I was ragging the arse off it, but I really wasn't.
Pieoftheday
28-03-2021, 12:12
Good Afternoon, I want to firm up my rear shock on my kawasaki Ninja 650, do I turn the adjuster clockwise or anti clockwise to increase the pre load? I've never felt the need before on other bikes so have never done it,the manual isn't much help, ta Jim
InThe Sticks
28-03-2021, 17:18
If you want to stiffen it up, you'll need to shorten the spring, so turn the adjuster upwards into the spring.
Pieoftheday
28-03-2021, 17:42
If you want to stiffen it up, you'll need to shorten the spring, so turn the adjuster upwards into the spring.
So clockwise? I'll be accessing it from the left hand side
Pigmy Pony
28-03-2021, 18:08
Hi James, I'm assuming the adjuster will rise if you are turning it the right way. How long have you had it on the current setting? Is it just something you want to try? If it's stiffness has reduced it may be a case of repair or replace.
InThe Sticks
28-03-2021, 18:12
Assuming this shock is the same as yours..
https://i.imgur.com/0D9s12p.jpg
Pieoftheday
29-03-2021, 12:55
Hi James, I'm assuming the adjuster will rise if you are turning it the right way. How long have you had it on the current setting? Is it just something you want to try? If it's stiffness has reduced it may be a case of repair or replace.
I just fancy a firmer ride:eyebrows:
I just fancy a firmer ride:eyebrows:
yes, well a lot do, but a soft ride has a lot going for it too;)
dave2010
29-03-2021, 14:58
Reverting briefly to how to charge up a car which doesn't get used a lot these days. A friend of mind uses a trickle charger and says he charges his car via the cigarette lighter socket. I don't think that will work with many cars, but I might be wrong.
A slight problem we have with our Renault is that the battery has an awkward cover over it, so it's a bit of a faff trying to get that on and off in order to do the charging. One option I guess is to put a couple of extra wires in and take those round under the battery cover.
The cigarette lighter idea would be good, if it would work.
Reverting briefly to how to charge up a car which doesn't get used a lot these days. A friend of mind uses a trickle charger and says he charges his car via the cigarette lighter socket. I don't think that will work with many cars, but I might be wrong.
A slight problem we have with our Renault is that the battery has an awkward cover over it, so it's a bit of a faff trying to get that on and off in order to do the charging. One option I guess is to put a couple of extra wires in and take those round under the battery cover.
The cigarette lighter idea would be good, if it would work.
if you have a rear lighter socket in boot it is often always on... front ones usually aren't. some chargers you can buy a kit to wire it into battery
Pieoftheday
29-03-2021, 16:01
Assuming this shock is the same as yours..
https://i.imgur.com/0D9s12p.jpg
That looks like mine,ta for that :)
Had the Brabster serviced a few days ago and replaced my usual oil (Motul 300V 5W/30) with this stuff, which is cheaper, and in my car at least gives a bit more 'zip' and a super-smooth ride. Car's going like a bomb! Quite like how the formulation centers around reducing engine heat with the Cool Tech technology...
https://youtu.be/hAP9s9fNSv4
https://youtu.be/VaAnrVc_AZk
Obviously suits Mercedes engines, lol:eyebrows:
Anyway, just a heads up in case anyone else here with a performance car (not just bloody bikes:ner:;)), Gaz, Ali? Might fancy trying it! Highly recommended:cool:
Marco.
dave2010
30-03-2021, 13:45
if you have a rear lighter socket in boot it is often always on... front ones usually aren't. some chargers you can buy a kit to wire it into batteryThanks. I'm not sure this car has a boot socket - I'll go and look.
InThe Sticks
30-03-2021, 17:23
Nothing surprises me anymore when carrying out MOT’s, but you’ve got to wonder how the fuck the driver didn’t at the very least notice the noise, let alone how the steering was affected..
https://i.imgur.com/OuvIvKV.jpg
bound to have noticed some change unless he/she was demented
walpurgis
30-03-2021, 18:02
Did both sides match? :D
Sorry [thick mode on] what exactly are we supposed to be looking at? I'm a driver, not a mechanic...:hmm: [/thick mode off];)
Marco.
Do you think that spring is meant to look like that?
Lol - no I doubt Zebadee would approve:D
Marco.
walpurgis
31-03-2021, 07:54
I blame Mr. McPherson.
Ali Tait
31-03-2021, 11:31
You leave his struts out of this.
InThe Sticks
31-03-2021, 17:20
As it was a wonderful warm day I decided on a mini tour of the Suffolk coast roads to bed in the new rubber,
Fortunately it seems tyre manufacturers have stopped using so much release agent in the rubber, which meant I could get a shift on straight away with out feeling like the bike was on ice.
The new rear sprocket makes 3rd gear 80mph power wheelies a doddle now.
Gratuitous pic from today..
https://i.imgur.com/nfdckvO.jpg
Got some fancy new gloves as well..
https://i.imgur.com/1lZzWA1.jpg
as we are allowed today to go for a run within county i went down to livingston centre just for a reccie and back.. furthest ive been in a year or so. still its nice and bright day and although not overly warm no heating needed in car. suns rays were enough.
walpurgis
02-04-2021, 13:37
I took my car round to Home Bargains earlier, I wanted an emulsion brush and some dog treats. It's only about three miles there and back, might use the pushbike next time.
I took my car round to Home Bargains earlier, I wanted an emulsion brush and some dog treats. It's only about three miles there and back, might use the pushbike next time.
got one of them here and the other big name bargain one too(B&M i think). both are popular and busy. I used to get my bird supplies in B&M as they were cheapest
walpurgis
02-04-2021, 14:28
There's a B&M about six miles away, I pop in there when I visit B&Q as they're on the same retail park (don't go very often though). Got a PoundStretcher nearby too, they have some useful stuff.
Filterlab
05-04-2021, 08:34
I was going to start a new thread but I think I'll add this here.
Does anyone have experience of the Porsche Panamera, in particular the 4.0 Turbo S from 2017 onwards? If not that model then any petrol PDK model.
The new business is starting to pay some handsome dividends and I'm thinking that I rather fancy one. Budget will be £80k and I won't be doing much mileage as most of my work will be from home (aside for some lovely and fairly regular trips to North Aberdeenshire) so the fact it does less than 20mpg won't matter, and frankly I don't expect to run this car on anything approaching a shoestring. :lol:
A brand new Porsche dealership has just opened up about ten minutes from my house in Norwich so local service isn't a problem, although if anyone knows of a decent independent Porsche garage this way then do say. The E-Hybrid is a fantastic car, but the full fat version is out of my price range, so that'll be next (if I like the Turbo S of course).
I had my eye on this one, although it's now sold :( although I really want to get some thoughts and tips from owners before dumping half a house's worth of cash on a car.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102139035815?atmobcid=soc4
This one is also rather nice. Whatever I choose I don't want one in black (yes I know that's a girlie thing to say, but black cars always look filthy dirty, and there's a lotta shit on the roads in Norfolk!).
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103220448569?atmobcid=soc4
I'm specifically going for sub 30k as the PDK gearbox needs fluid changes every 30k according to many Porsche specialists, even though Porsche themselves say 60k. Buying one at under 30k means that I can immediately change the trans fluid and have the 'box recalibrated, and then do it every 25k instead - I'm always finicky about slightly cautiously servicing cars.
Other than the box fluid I can't really find any common issues with the Panamera on the web, so I thought I'd ask here just in case. :)
I’ve been overtaken by one before :)
Beautiful looking cars, love that dark blue and cream combo :drool:
Best looking Porsche since the 928 IMO.
Ali Tait
07-04-2021, 08:07
Thought this might interest you Rob, if you've not seen it-
https://youtu.be/Hpnzs-D5fjs
Filterlab
07-04-2021, 11:18
I’ve been overtaken by one before :)
Beautiful looking cars, love that dark blue and cream combo :drool:
Yeah, me too. There's something about blue/cream that just works.
Best looking Porsche since the 928 IMO.
I think it looks incredible. A real Porsche look but in a sensible layout, with room for the real world. :D
Thought this might interest you Rob, if you've not seen it-
https://youtu.be/Hpnzs-D5fjs
Thanks Ali, I'll take a look. :)
Filterlab
07-04-2021, 11:30
Thought this might interest you Rob, if you've not seen it-
https://youtu.be/Hpnzs-D5fjs
Great video, thanks Ali. Mesmerising car - I love the way it runs on electric from the get go and then wakes up the petrol engine when needed. Very clever.
Great video, thanks Ali. Mesmerising car - I love the way it runs on electric from the get go and then wakes up the petrol engine when needed. Very clever.
mine does that too, although on a smaller scale:lol: just got to have a light accelerator foot
Ali Tait
07-04-2021, 11:33
Yes, it occurred to me given your budget, leasing could be a good option.
Filterlab
07-04-2021, 13:43
It could be actually. Depends on the mileage of course, although I do prefer to buy a car cash rather than 'borrow' it for a fee.
Which model do you have?
It could be actually. Depends on the mileage of course, although I do prefer to buy a car cash rather than 'borrow' it for a fee.
Which model do you have?
with modern cars, its not such a bad idea to lease i think. you get a new moter regular and no hassle. no huge depreciation either.
depends tho on the cost i suppose
Ali Tait
07-04-2021, 14:13
It could be actually. Depends on the mileage of course, although I do prefer to buy a car cash rather than 'borrow' it for a fee.
Which model do you have?
I have a BMW 535d. Great compromise between power and fuel economy.
Filterlab
07-04-2021, 16:54
with modern cars, its not such a bad idea to lease i think. you get a new moter regular and no hassle. no huge depreciation either.
depends tho on the cost i suppose
Yes, but at the end of it one is left with no car and no money, whereas with a used car purchase there's always a good chunk of cash in it and a car if one doesn't want to change. Plus the first owner has taken the hit on depreciation.
Leasing would be great if the company was paying, but I'm paying so ownership and mileage claim is more tax efficient.
I have a BMW 535d. Great compromise between power and fuel economy.
Nice. I had a BMW 740i V8 many moons ago. Bit of a nightmare if I'm honest, but I'm sure things have improved a bit.
How do you find it?
Ali Tait
07-04-2021, 17:32
It's a great car. 313 hp and 630nm yet returns 36-38 mpg. Only issue I've had so far was a faulty seat belt pretensioner, I found a new one on ebay for £80 and replaced it myself- I'm fairly handy with the spanners so do most work myself.
Not too bad given BMW want £450 for the part.
Other than that it's been faultless, unusual for a BMW I know lol. Would love a V8 but there are well documented issues with them.
Filterlab
07-04-2021, 17:41
Strangely the engine was the only bit that didn't break. It had had the Nikasil block replaced with an Alusil block under warranty before I owned it. Rock hard, sounded magnificent - like a NASCAR, 290bhp and revved so smoothly. Went very fast indeed as it was comparatively light compared to today's safety-laden saloons.
But in the 1.5 years I had it almost every front suspension component failed, fuel pump failed, gearbox failed, power steering pump failed, CD changer failed, electric window switches failed and then it got smashed into whilst I was waiting at a set of traffic lights.
I gave up and dumped the thing. :lol:
Yes, but at the end of it one is left with no car and no money, whereas with a used car purchase there's always a good chunk of cash in it and a car if one doesn't want to change. Plus the first owner has taken the hit on depreciation.
Leasing would be great if the company was paying, but I'm paying so ownership and mileage claim is more tax efficient.
Nice. I had a BMW 740i V8 many moons ago. Bit of a nightmare if I'm honest, but I'm sure things have improved a bit.
How do you find it?
sure, it depends on your needs but its not a bad system, especially with service costs of modern cars soaring. they are tbh becoming difficult to service outwith main dealers now. also its good for the peace of mind if anything goes wrong, as they do.
i dont think i'd buy a new car nowadays or even a nearnew
Filterlab
07-04-2021, 18:39
There is that I suppose. I know that Porsches are rather pricey on servicing, but it's that final 'left with nothing' that would gore me. :(
Ali Tait
07-04-2021, 18:58
Strangely the engine was the only bit that didn't break. It had had the Nikasil block replaced with an Alusil block under warranty before I owned it. Rock hard, sounded magnificent - like a NASCAR, 290bhp and revved so smoothly. Went very fast indeed as it was comparatively light compared to today's safety-laden saloons.
But in the 1.5 years I had it almost every front suspension component failed, fuel pump failed, gearbox failed, power steering pump failed, CD changer failed, electric window switches failed and then it got smashed into whilst I was waiting at a set of traffic lights.
I gave up and dumped the thing. :lol:
BMW reliability eh. :lol:
Filterlab
08-04-2021, 07:10
Yes indeed. :(
:lol:
Interesting choice of jalopy, Robster.. I'm a 911 man, or nowt, myself, in any colour as long as its black:D, but if you get a Panamera I hope you enjoy it!
:hotrod::eyebrows:
Woof, WOOF: https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo-models/911-turbo-s/
Marco.
BMW reliability eh. :lol:
Lol, I think a lot of it is your Donald Duck... I know folk who've had various Beemers for years, with next to no problems. With German cars though, I do think that quality wise/reliability, overall, Mercs have the edge over BMWs, Audis better still, and with Porsche at the top of the tree:)
The Brabster's 12 years old now, and done 102,000 miles, but of course is a diesel, which longevity-wise is quite different from a petrol engine. However, although I've replaced and upgraded/modded quite a few bits, some just through wear and tear, nothing major has gone on the car so far. It's been great, but it does get rather pampered!:D
I've just had one major thing done, which was to completely replace the (steel) brake pipes, which were badly corroded (still the originals, so not bad for 12 years use), with copper ones throughout, and which will now be a permanent job. I also had to replace the windscreen washer motor, which had gone, again an original part.
It's also had four new tyres on it recently (Michelin Pilot Sport 4S), and front and rear discs and pads (EBC performance drilled and slotted, for the former and Yellow Stuff for the latter), which form part of the car's uprated brakes, and interestingly also a professional 4-wheel alignment (carried out on a £40k machine), to optimise the tracking...
The latter has resulted in a notable improvement in the car's handling (which was already excellent), as a few key parameters were out. It also holds a straight line perfectly for a lengthy time on a straight road (although I haven't counted the number of secs), depending on camber, and which will also ensure even wear and greater longevity of the rather pricey tyres!
It's a process I'd thoroughly recommend doing for any car, as apparently even the tracking on brand new cars can be out.
Marco.
On the 2019 JD Power Survey (UK) both Merc and Audi were below average for dependability, BMW came in last.
https://europe.jdpower.com/press-releases/2019-uk-vehicle-dependability-study
Yup, I guess it depends on which studies or polls you look at. If I was getting another German car though, whenever I retire the Brabster, it would be an Audi RS of some description - just awesome cars!:)
Either that, or a BMW M4, and tune it up to buggery. Don't like the new Mercs, and Porsches, lovely as they are, are impractical (for my needs).
BUT - I suspect I'll be scratching the Italian itch I've so far never scratched, and end up with an Alfa Giulia!:cool:
Marco.
Ali Tait
08-04-2021, 11:41
Always liked Alfas.
Yeah, they've got 'soul', and considering I'm Italian it would be rude not to own something from my homeland, before hanging up my keys!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Beobloke
08-04-2021, 12:00
Of course, if you want properly unreliable, you want Land Rover, as confirmed by any JD Power survey anywhere in the world for the last 20 years.
My Range Rover is broken currently (again). It's booked in for a service in two weeks time anyway, but my Landy man said to bring it in today for a quick code scan to see if he could reset it and/or see what replacement parts it might need that he could fit during the service.
Trouble, is, it doesn't appear to be broadcasting or storing any fault codes, despite the air suspension having dropped to its lowest setting and refusing to move, a "Hill Descent Control Not Available" message an the LCD and the ABS, Braking system and Traction Control warning lights being permanently on. He was puzzled; I'm just depressed...
As an aside the fault first occurred when I booted it enthusiastically out of a side road last Friday. A fellow RR owner here at work says it's just punishing me for such hooligan behaviour! :D
Always liked Alfas.
Ali, have you had a 4-wheel alignment done on your Beemer? If not, I'd thoroughly recommend it. You might think it drives straight now (I did with the Brabster), but the difference afterwards, when it genuinely *is* straight, is significant...
Just 'sits on the road' nicer, and seems to allow the rear wheels to plant power down better!:)
Marco.
yes they are cool. But worth noting Fiat's position on the survey I linked to.
My uncle was a big Alfa fan but he had a lot of bother with his right from the off.
Yeah, sure. As always, I'd be super-fussy about what I was buying, and so would take my mechanic mate with me to assess potential purchases, armed with his diagnostics unit, plus take out an extended warranty on any purchase, as I did with the Brabster:)
Marco.
Ali Tait
08-04-2021, 12:47
yes they are cool. But worth noting Fiat's position on the survey I linked to.
My uncle was a big Alfa fan but he had a lot of bother with his right from the off.
Ive had three and all were reliable, only changed consumables.
Ali Tait
08-04-2021, 12:49
Ali, have you had a 4-wheel alignment done on your Beemer? If not, I'd thoroughly recommend it. You might think it drives straight now (I did with the Brabster), but the difference afterwards, when it genuinely *is* straight, is significant...
Just 'sits on the road' nicer, and seems to allow the rear wheels to plant power down better!:)
Marco.
Yeah i did when i bought it. probably needs doing again though.
Informative article here on Alignment Tech: https://dsportmag.com/the-tech/extracting-handling-performance-alignment-settings/
Among other improvements, for me, this has been the most noticeable, in terms of negative camber:
"4) A proper, non-excessive amount of negative camber utilizes the full tire width and aids in exerting downward force to maximize grip."
Yup!:)
Marco.
Ali Tait
08-04-2021, 15:40
I usually have it done when I fit new tyres, keeps wear to a minimum.
walpurgis
08-04-2021, 15:47
I do so little mileage that I don't wear tyres out as a rule, I replace them when the sidewalls start perishing and cracking.
I do so little mileage that I don't wear tyres out as a rule, I replace them when the sidewalls start perishing and cracking.
yeah im becoming same.. worse probably. i used to do 4k, then 3k, now very little, but trying to go out more, and more.
I do so little mileage that I don't wear tyres out as a rule, I replace them when the sidewalls start perishing and cracking.
Lol... When you've got over 300bhp on tap, on a rear-wheel driven car, it's easy to wear out tyres without doing too many miles!:D
Marco.
Lol... When you've got over 300bhp on tap, on a rear-wheel driven car, it's easy to wear out tyres without doing too many miles!:D
Marco.
mine has a less impressive 122hp, although the slightly bigger 2l out now has 180/190 on tap. but im not a speed merchant nowadays
Lol, not so much about being a speed merchant, but when accelerating hard or 'burning off' challengers at the lights!:eyebrows::D
Marco.
Lol, not so much about being a speed merchant, but when accelerating hard or 'burning off' challengers at the lights!:eyebrows::D
Marco.
yeah, the electric is fairly fast over first 10mph. but im not fussed about sprinting now. did all that before:D
Filterlab
08-04-2021, 17:49
Interesting choice of jalopy, Robster.. I'm a 911 man, or nowt, myself, in any colour as long as its black:D, but if you get a Panamera I hope you enjoy it!
:hotrod::eyebrows:
Woof, WOOF: https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo-models/911-turbo-s/
Marco.
Cheers.
The 911 is completely useless for me as I need carrying space in the car and a proper amount of doors - it still has to be useful as well as a Porsche. :lol:
Maybe when the kids have grown up or I can go for a higher end second car. :)
Lol, yups, that's also one of the reasons why one would be useless to me. It'd need to be a 'second car'!:eek::D
No, I prefer sporty 4-door saloons/'grand tourers', for practical reasons, although I like the look of coupes.
Marco.
walpurgis
08-04-2021, 18:02
Stretch 911? :)
https://i.ibb.co/s90fJb2/Screen-Shot-04-08-21-at-06-59-PM.png (https://ibb.co/CKkcsmz)
Lol, not so much about being a speed merchant, but when accelerating hard or 'burning off' challengers at the lights!:eyebrows::D
Marco.
lol
Stretch 911? :)
https://i.ibb.co/s90fJb2/Screen-Shot-04-08-21-at-06-59-PM.png (https://ibb.co/CKkcsmz)
Ha - love to have a go at parallel parking that!:D
Marco.
lol
Ha - I know it's childish, but it's fun!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Lol... When you've got over 300bhp on tap, on a rear-wheel driven car, it's easy to wear out tyres without doing too many miles!:D
Marco.
My record is wearing three tyres out in a day. It was awesome fun, but a tad expensive. Awesome track though, although grippy, it was a bit abrasive. :eyebrows:
Lol - was that on your Catty?:D
Marco.
Of course.
Lots of time spent going sideways round corners.
Pigmy Pony
09-04-2021, 05:46
Of course, if you want properly unreliable, you want Land Rover, as confirmed by any JD Power survey anywhere in the world for the last 20 years.
My Range Rover is broken currently (again). It's booked in for a service in two weeks time anyway, but my Landy man said to bring it in today for a quick code scan to see if he could reset it and/or see what replacement parts it might need that he could fit during the service.
Trouble, is, it doesn't appear to be broadcasting or storing any fault codes, despite the air suspension having dropped to its lowest setting and refusing to move, a "Hill Descent Control Not Available" message an the LCD and the ABS, Braking system and Traction Control warning lights being permanently on. He was puzzled; I'm just depressed...
As an aside the fault first occurred when I booted it enthusiastically out of a side road last Friday. A fellow RR owner here at work says it's just punishing me for such hooligan behaviour! :D
My daughter's 2 year old Discovery is back in the garage for the umpteenth time. She's had the car 6 months and is halfway through the 12 month warranty. Rear diff or something this time. Repair cost is £2k, and warranty only pays out first £1200. During this week she's had two important meetings to attend in Manchester for which she used the train, as they didn't provide a courtesy car. And before anyone says she should have been more assertive, believe me when I say that when she's on one, people run for cover. Turns out she likes trains :)
Anyway, that Disco will be history by the time the warranty's up.
And before anyone says she should have been more assertive, believe me when I say that when she's on one, people run for cover. Turns out she likes trains :)
Sorry to hear about her car, which I hope is sorted to her satisfaction soon. Is she good at a strop, then?:respect:
Would be fun to see if she could give Del a run for her money... Trust me though, her full-on princess tantrums are *monumentally EPIC*!!:eek::uhho::wowzer:
Marco.
My daughter's 2 year old Discovery is back in the garage for the umpteenth time. She's had the car 6 months and is halfway through the 12 month warranty. Rear diff or something this time. Repair cost is £2k, and warranty only pays out first £1200. During this week she's had two important meetings to attend in Manchester for which she used the train, as they didn't provide a courtesy car. And before anyone says she should have been more assertive, believe me when I say that when she's on one, people run for cover. Turns out she likes trains :)
Anyway, that Disco will be history by the time the warranty's up.
dont blame her... my bro always said, if you dont need 4wd, then steer clear. its a lot of hassle and expensive t'boot
walpurgis
09-04-2021, 08:31
dont blame her... my bro always said, if you dont need 4wd, then steer clear. its a lot of hassle and expensive t'boot
The other way round here, it's what I kept telling my brother, but he keeps buying 4wd motors. Even a huge bill for a rebuilt transmission on his Land Rover hasn't put him off (it cost him near what the car was worth).
The other way round here, it's what I kept telling my brother, but he keeps buying 4wd motors. Even a huge bill for a rebuilt transmission on his Land Rover hasn't put him off (it cost him near what the car was worth).
as soon as he no longer needed the landy for horse duties it was sold. it was a nice motor and didnt give a huge amount of trouble(was his second or 3rd), but costs across board mae it pointless.
Pigmy Pony
09-04-2021, 17:14
dont blame her... my bro always said, if you dont need 4wd, then steer clear. its a lot of hassle and expensive t'boot
She won't learn from it, she's already talking about getting a truck next, maybe a VW Amarok. She doesn't need a big car, she's 5'5" and 8 stone wet through. But she shares it with her partner, who's a 6 foot plus gripper, a right unit.
She won't learn from it, she's already talking about getting a truck next, maybe a VW Amarok. She doesn't need a big car, she's 5'5" and 8 stone wet through. But she shares it with her partner, who's a 6 foot plus gripper, a right unit.
ha... my daughter is 4.11 in high heels and her man is 6.2 plus, ex goalie. he drives a smaller car than her:D.... not by much mind.. she is driving a mini merc.. a class. he has a ds3.
i need a suv, size wize, but if i didnt i would have something altogether smaller
Pigmy Pony
09-04-2021, 17:38
Yeah, I too would be happy with a smaller car, but my daughter (and her bloke) wants cars that have hairy balls (last 3 cars were Audi RS5, AMG 63 some kind of coupe, and a Nissan GTR). Can't see them downsizing until forced to.
Pigmy Pony
09-04-2021, 17:39
My other daughter has had the same Vauxhall Corsa for years.
A mate has an Amarok, it's great.
Pigmy Pony
09-04-2021, 18:07
A mate has an Amarok, it's great.
I like them too, but I couldn't justify having one. It's already a bit mental here, with 2 vans and a car on the drive, 3 motorbikes in the garage and another van on the road. Although if Mrs. P was to say "I want a truck", that's what we would end up with. Because I don't care about 4 wheels too much.
Yeah, I too would be happy with a smaller car, but my daughter (and her bloke) wants cars that have hairy balls (last 3 cars were Audi RS5, AMG 63 some kind of coupe, and a Nissan GTR). Can't see them downsizing until forced to.
Brilliant taste in cars!:respect:
I fully agree, as I don't 'do' small cars [glorified shopping trolleys] either. Borrriiinngggg...
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
09-04-2021, 18:30
Brilliant taste in cars!:respect:
I fully agree, as I don't 'do' small cars [glorified shopping trolleys] either. Borrriiinngggg...
Marco.
The RS5 was favourite. Apparently the GTR was wicked quick but a bit cheap and plasticky inside.
Yup, 'Jap crap' is often like that in comparison - great engines, just little finesse with interiors or the other 'nice touches' you'd expect in a prestige car:)
Marco.
Speaking of S5’s...
My Boys got one.
https://i.imgur.com/By691xe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/h7KQJk6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/W3ZmUDe.jpg
Lurvely, jubbly!:cool:
Marco.
wee tee cee
10-04-2021, 11:39
Bought myself a honda dct africa twin as a retirement present. Its tremendous being back on a bike . Unfortunately all my bike gear has shrunk!!!
Struggling with the complexity of all settings but getting there.
Not sure if the dct requires me to scratch a few boxes off my man card but dont really care.
Filterlab
10-04-2021, 11:49
Pictures please!
Aye,
some pictures Tony! :)
wee tee cee
10-04-2021, 17:08
Feck....Im a digital retard!!!!
Will give it a go-maybe ask Grant to paste some pictures onto the thread...If i can e mail them.
Sweating embryos just at the thought!!!
Pigmy Pony
10-04-2021, 18:09
I remember Honda Africa twins in the late 80s, a mate had one. Very capable and very colourful iirc. So it's made a comeback eh? What does dct mean?
I remember Honda Africa twins in the late 80s, a mate had one. Very capable and very colourful iirc. So it's made a comeback eh? What does dct mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmission
Filterlab
11-04-2021, 08:06
Feck....Im a digital retard!!!!
Will give it a go-maybe ask Grant to paste some pictures onto the thread...If i can e mail them.
Sweating embryos just at the thought!!!
Just email them to me, I'll sort them for you.
Ali Tait
12-04-2021, 06:27
What a great noise from this V6. I want one!
https://youtu.be/K2jy0PT_uW4
What a great noise from this V6. I want one!
https://youtu.be/K2jy0PT_uW4
Start saving your pennies. There is one for sale in Germany for £150k
walpurgis
12-04-2021, 08:58
What a great noise from this V6. I want one!
https://youtu.be/K2jy0PT_uW4
About 40 years ago there were two young lads near me that had one each and also a Fiat Dino coupe that ran around with them. They did sound very nice, I recall the distinct whirr and rustle of the valve gear.
Ali Tait
12-04-2021, 09:56
Long time saving lol.
Saw a Ferrari Dino at the Scottish Italian Car Show a few years ago when I had my 164 Super there. Gorgeous car.
walpurgis
12-04-2021, 10:03
Long time saving lol.
Saw a Ferrari Dino at the Scottish Italian Car Show a few years ago when I had my 164 Super there. Gorgeous car.
Roger Daltrey used to visit his mum in South Acton driving a red 246 Dino. I'd see him outside cleaning it, never bothered to stop for a chat though, I figured he probably had enough public pestering him.
What a great noise from this V6. I want one!
https://youtu.be/K2jy0PT_uW4
Nice, but I've never been big on 2-seater soft tops (fine for Italy, or some other warm climate, but impractical in this country). If we're going classic, then this would be much more my thang:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/fJP0yr.jpg
1972 Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV.
Marco.
Ali Tait
12-04-2021, 13:00
Yes lovely cars.
Yups... Only thing is, in our climate it'd rot to nothing in about six months!:D
In other news, I've just insured the Brabster, fully comp for a year, for £307, which is more than £100 less than it was last year!:carrot:
Geoff, how much is your wee shopping trolley, fully comp for a year, in that there London? Just curious!:)
Marco.
Long time saving lol.
Saw a Ferrari Dino at the Scottish Italian Car Show a few years ago when I had my 164 Super there. Gorgeous car.
My father's business partner had a Ferrari Dino (along with a Bristol 405).
My father's business partner had a Ferrari Dino (along with a Bristol 405).
ah the bristol 4 door coupe.. fab motor that.. was always one of my dream cars when young
thats my jalopy given its runabout and also filled it up with jungle juice... £18.50 it cost.:doh:
walpurgis
12-04-2021, 13:47
Geoff, how much is your wee shopping trolley, fully comp for a year, in that there London? Just curious!:)
Marco.
£587 last year as I recall.
Wow... Just shows you, doesn't it?:)
Marco.
Does your insurance cover Del to drive your car Marco?
walpurgis
12-04-2021, 13:53
Nice, but I've never been big on 2-seater soft tops (fine for Italy, or some other warm climate, but impractical in this country)
Marco.
A bit of a liability in London. Plenty of ragtops about with gaffer tape over the Stanley knife slashes.
walpurgis
12-04-2021, 14:00
Wow... Just shows you, doesn't it?:)
Marco.
I'm paying about twice what my brother did for his 3.0TD Q5.
Does your insurance cover Del to drive your car Marco?
Hi Barry, yup:)
Plus free windscreen replacement and loads of other stuff.
Marco.
I'm paying about twice what my brother did for his 3.0TD Q5.
Yeah, I doubt I'd own a car if I lived in London. A small motorbike, maybe, and for 'special trips' I'd hire something nice, maybe a classic car to take Del out, but otherwise it would be taxis, the tube and/or other forms of public transport:)
Marco.
A bit of a liability in London. Plenty of ragtops about with gaffer tape over the Stanley knife slashes.
Lol, it's another world... I can leave the car sat outside the house unlocked for days (which has happened unintentionally on a few occasions) and nothing happens, and it's never been touched in any other way either.
Marco.
Ali Tait
12-04-2021, 14:59
When I first got the beemer I was in Leeds, it cost me £1500 for the year.
Back in the Borders, 400 or so..
Beobloke
12-04-2021, 15:09
Lol, it's another world... I can leave the car sat outside the house unlocked for days (which has happened unintentionally on a few occasions) and nothing happens, and it's never been touched in any other way either.
Marco.
You can do that down here you know! I accidentally left Ursula’s car/house keys hanging in the outside lock of the front door all last night so either we’re in a very safe area or they thought her car wasn’t worth nicking!
You can do that down here you know! I accidentally left Ursula’s car/house keys hanging in the outside lock of the front door all last night so either we’re in a very safe area or they thought her car wasn’t worth nicking!
I've done that on a couple of occasions - happily without incident. But that is no excuse! :doh:
You can do that down here you know! I accidentally left Ursula’s car/house keys hanging in the outside lock of the front door all last night so either we’re in a very safe area or they thought her car wasn’t worth nicking!
Lol... But Hampshire isn't west London;)
Marco.
When I first got the beemer I was in Leeds, it cost me £1500 for the year.
Fukkin' ell. Bad crime area, eh?:eek::D
Marco.
I bought a Datsun Cherry for the girlfriend at an auction. No door locks at all as they'd been removed by the previous owners. Never had any issue, even the stereo didn't get nicked out of it.
I bought a Datsun Cherry for the girlfriend at an auction. No door locks at all as they'd been removed by the previous owners. Never had any issue, even the stereo didn't get nicked out of it.
would imagine it was a good few yrs old, and datsun didnt have a great name in publics eye, although the cherry was quite a good motor
would imagine it was a good few yrs old, and datsun didnt have a great name in publics eye, although the cherry was quite a good motor
My father drove a Nissan/Datsun Stanza for a short time (an interregnum between the usual "gobblin' pot" Jaguars and Daimlers he normally drove). He was a panel beater by trade, originally working for Bristol Cars, so knew a thing or two about car bodywork. When I expressed surprise at him choosing to run a Japanese designed car, he said "You can't fault it, the Japanese find out what people want and supply it".
walpurgis
12-04-2021, 16:42
The Cherry is now a collectable 'Classic' car!
Ali Tait
12-04-2021, 17:03
Fukkin' ell. Bad crime area, eh?:eek::D
Marco.
It was where my then girlfriend lived.
would imagine it was a good few yrs old, and datsun didnt have a great name in publics eye, although the cherry was quite a good motor
It was ex=forces, I don't know why they removed the locks. 65000 miles on it. £175!
Other than the missing locks it was mint, but not registered with DVLA which I think put people off but it was a doddle to sort. Never had any problem with it unlike the parade of Ford Escorts that preceded it, and it was pretty pokey too, would cruise at 80 mph with no strain at all.
Nissan wanted £250 for new locks so that was a non-starter.
it was ex=forces, i don't know why they removed the locks. 65000 miles on it. £175!
Other than the missing locks it was mint, but not registered with dvla which i think put people off but it was a doddle to sort. Never had any problem with it unlike the parade of ford escorts that preceded it, and it was pretty pokey too, would cruise at 80 mph with no strain at all.
Nissan wanted £250 for new locks so that was a non-starter.
were probably using an army/air force lock barrel, so had to remove them.
rmcin626
13-04-2021, 12:37
Just spend the last couple of hours on the phone to Audi customer services , very frustrating to say the least.
Just spend the last couple of hours on the phone to Audi customer services , very frustrating to say the least.
no joy robin with them? most i find are very good at not answering a direct question:rolleyes:
rmcin626
13-04-2021, 13:17
Lots of annoying things, enter user name turned out to be my email address, lots of frustration
Lots of annoying things, enter user name turned out to be my email address, lots of frustration
ah yes lol .. and the whats your secret answer?...whats the question? ... its a secret:doh:
Jac Hawk
13-04-2021, 13:32
must admit i'm pleased with my Volvo S80, most of my driving is up and down the motorways, i bought it a couple of years ago, it was 2 years old when i got it and to be honest wasn't a car on my radar, i wanted a 530d beemer but the insurance on it was just stupid, it was the dealer that suggested the Volvo, they don't hold their value like a five series so i ended up with something more relaxing to drive on the motorway, newer, better equipped and cheaper, it doesn't look as good from the front and isn't as good a drivers car but it ticks all my boxes
must admit i'm pleased with my Volvo S80, most of my driving is up and down the motorways, i bought it a couple of years ago, it was 2 years old when i got it and to be honest wasn't a car on my radar, i wanted a 530d beemer but the insurance on it was just stupid, it was the dealer that suggested the Volvo, they don't hold their value like a five series so i ended up with something more relaxing to drive on the motorway, newer, better equipped and cheaper, it doesn't look as good from the front and isn't as good a drivers car but it ticks all my boxes
hoping to have a look at an cx40 volvo next... one of my options, but much will depend on how the restrictions go. thats the toyota given a good run again. keep it shipshape
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 17:07
hoping to have a look at an cx40 volvo next... one of my options, but much will depend on how the restrictions go. thats the toyota given a good run again. keep it shipshape
I like the look of them, one of our neighbours has just got one in a deep red. Looks really smart
I like the look of them, one of our neighbours has just got one in a deep red. Looks really smartYeah the volvo is a nice enough motor. Might just be too pricey tho. Will wait and see if I can go look without mask. If not I've choice of kepping what I have or doing without.
Pieoftheday
18-04-2021, 18:17
Roll on Tuesday, found a new old stock yamaha fz6 s2, registered 2016 with 0 miles. :)
I like the look of them, one of our neighbours has just got one in a deep red. Looks really smart
The only Volvo I'd entertain would be an S90, which is a pretty cool car. (some S80s are decent. too). TBH, I was so pissed off when Saab went out of business, as they made some cracking cars, which simply oozed performance and quality!
However, Granty, if you go for your CX40, I hope it hits the spot:cool:
Marco.
I could be tempted by one of these [in brutal as fuck 'Shadow Black'], to eventually replace the Brabster: https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/mustang
...but the Giulia is still winking at me;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
18-04-2021, 21:51
I could be tempted by one of these [in brutal as fuck 'Shadow Black], to eventually replace the Brabster: https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/mustang
...but the Giulia is still winking at me;)
Marco.
You gave your jap's eye a name? :D:D
These are the questions going through my mind, car-wise:
Is the UK ready for (new) EV only from 2030?
Are non-EVs likely to loose all their value the closer we get to 2030?
Will the cost of fuel become non-tenable for most after 2030?
Is it time to buy that V8 ..?
walpurgis
19-04-2021, 09:39
Time to buy a bicycle.
knowing govt s, it will be all change again in a few years.. not sure we will have enough rare earth stuff to do this anyways
It's pie in the sky but it keeps the green lobby happy. Well, not happy, they won't be happy until we're all back living in the bushes and eating berries, but it softens their cough a bit.
Buy a V8.
walpurgis
19-04-2021, 09:46
Just buy an old pre DPF and non turbo diesel, spend a few quid rustproofing it and stop worrying.
(I should have kept my ancient Golf 1.9D estate :))
Beobloke
19-04-2021, 10:13
Buy a V8.
If you’ve already got one, is it acceptable to buy another?
If you’ve already got one, is it acceptable to buy another?
Yes. Yes it is.
no, no, no, and no..... well, maybe...:lol:
Firebottle
19-04-2021, 15:27
Are non-EVs likely to loose all their value the closer we get to 2030?
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There'll be a rush to buy new ICE vehicles before they are unavailable I predict. Prices could go up..
Pigmy Pony
20-04-2021, 06:04
If you have a diesel car and fuel becomes unobtainable/stupidly expensive, you could run it on chip pan oil. A mate of mine did that, got his oil from takeaways I believe.
It is likely though that said takeaways will see the value of their biodiesel and start asking silly money too. In which case I predict panic buying of Spry Crisp'n'Dry at the supermarkets. Uncertain times ahead :(
Get a gas turbine car and you can run it on that cheap perfume you can buy down the market. No-one will have thought of that. While they all queueing for their crisp and dry you drive past them in a waft of fake Paco Raban.
Plus you can pretend you are Commander Straker from 'UFO.'
If you have a diesel car and fuel becomes unobtainable/stupidly expensive, you could run it on chip pan oil. A mate of mine did that, got his oil from takeaways I believe.
Yes, DIY diesel from plant or animal fat will work for older diesels, anything made in the 15 years will still need something properly refined, whether it comes from old dinosaurs or not.
Also as you point out, the alternatives will become very expensive when there is the demand.
Pigmy Pony
20-04-2021, 17:33
Plus you can pretend you are Commander Straker from 'UFO.'
I'd want one of those birds with the purple hair, or better still there was a brunette working there in a string vest type outfit. She'd do for me :)
I'd want one of those birds with the purple hair, or better still there was a brunette working there in a string vest type outfit. She'd do for me :)
'Skydiver' crew
https://nostalgiacentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/moon12.jpg
Pigmy Pony
20-04-2021, 17:43
Nice, but it's got to be the brunette for me :)
Nice, but it's got to be the brunette for me :)
https://ufoseries.com/publicity/masters_and_howell.jpg
:eyebrows:
Pigmy Pony
20-04-2021, 18:03
:lol:
Pigmy Pony
21-04-2021, 17:52
https://iv1.lisimg.com/image/14935802/186full-ayshea-brough.jpg
Ayshea Brough, that's her :) Sorry I can only do links.
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Pigmy Pony
22-04-2021, 05:47
:D I know, poor girl. I saw the episode with that scene recently, and felt a bit sorry for her. Cute little toe though :)
walpurgis
28-04-2021, 11:34
Russian Roulette?
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-28/self-driving-cars-given-green-light-for-motorway-use-later-this-year-but-how-will-they-work
Over my dead body would I use one of those things/electric cars, or indeed utilise any 'Smart' motorway!:nono:
I hate motorways at the best of the times, never mind any of that PISH....
Marco.
Self-driving vehicles pottering along at 37kph on motorways?!! :eek:
walpurgis
28-04-2021, 11:44
I agree Marco.
Only allowed to be used in slow moving traffic, it's in the article. Plenty of that on motorways.
There was a case here a couple of years back where a bloke hit a stationary artic that had stopped due to blown tyre.
He went right into the back of it at speed and was killed.
He had been reading facebook on his phone at the time. If he had autonomous control on his vehicle and had enabled it before he went on his phone then he'd still be alive.
Most accidents are due to poor driving like that. The odds are the computer driving will be a lot safer then that. Not foolproof, but safer.
You could argue people should just learn to be better drivers/pay proper attention but we all know that won't happen. If every car was autonomous there would be fewer accidents, that's a fact.
Self-driving vehicles pottering along at 37kph on motorways?!! :eek:
37mph i think... 60kph my car will keep a safe distance from can in front and if needed brake to stop. if it does stop it has to be reset tho. Its really for motorways but i use it on other roads(with care). its quite good actually especially if your traffic is quite variable speed wise.. cant be used at roundabouts or sharp corners tho so care and sense need to be used. It will also steer me back into lane if i drift. but i wouldnt trust it without being on the case myself.
walpurgis
28-04-2021, 11:59
Two US guys roasted to death last week in an autonomous car crash. Apparently nobody was in the driver's seat, it happened at high speed.
Yes 37mph (= 59kph), my mistake. Even so, I can still see it being engaged on motorways when the traffic is moving freely.
You could argue people should just learn to be better drivers/pay proper attention but we all know that won't happen. If every car was autonomous there would be fewer accidents, that's a fact.
Maybe, but it also effectively hands over control of your vehicle to whoever controls the 'Smart network', and with the potential of that to be abused in future.
My goal is to RETAIN control of what I own, not relinquish it. In that respect, for me, the whole concept of these driver-less cars and 'Smart motorways' is a massive red flag, in terms of the impingement of your freedoms!
Marco.
Maybe, but it also effectively hands over control of your vehicle to whoever controls the 'Smart network', and with the potential of that to be abused in future.
My goal is to RETAIN control of what I own, not relinquish it. In that respect, for me, the whole concept of these driver-less cars and 'Smart motorways' is a massive red flag, in terms of the impingement of your freedoms!
Marco.
ive no interest in a fully autonomous car.. aids i like, but i like to be in control.;) or at least know the person who is
ive no interest in a fully autonomous car..
And neither would anyone with any passion for driving or concern about where things are headed in future, However, you can rely on your average dimwitted 'Joe' to simply roll over and comply, in the so-called name of 'progress'!:doh:
Marco.
Maybe, but it also effectively hands over control of your vehicle to whoever controls the 'Smart network', and with the potential of that to be abused in future.
My goal is to RETAIN control of what I own, not relinquish it. In that respect, for me, the whole concept of these driver-less cars and 'Smart motorways' is a massive red flag, in terms of the impingement of your freedoms!
Marco.
Smart motorways don't have anything to do with driverless cars, totally unconnected. If you've been on the M6 in the past few years you've been on a smart motorway.
At the moment all cars with driverless capability can be over-ridden by the driver. I don't think you have anything to worry about there. I can't see it being made compulsory, not in our lifetimes.
Smart motorways don't have anything to do with driverless cars, totally unconnected. If you've been on the M6 in the past few years you've been on a smart motorway.
At the moment all cars with driverless capability can be over-ridden by the driver. I don't think you have anything to worry about there. I can't see it being made compulsory, not in our lifetimes.
no smart motorways up here, or any plans either... mind you we dont have a lot of motorways really.:D
Filterlab
28-04-2021, 13:30
My board engineer has a Tesla which has the temporary auto drive (20 seconds I think). He's tested it on all sorts of road in all traffic conditions, it puts not a single foot wrong ever.
It's a gradual introduction but I can see that in 20 years' time nobody would ever remotely consider driving "manually". Not yet, but it's coming.
Two US guys roasted to death last week in an autonomous car crash. Apparently nobody was in the driver's seat, it happened at high speed.
Yes, but also they hadn't enabled the Autopilot system, so it's akin to getting out of the driver's seat in a standard car that isn't equipped with auto-drive. It'll definitely crash.
It's a gradual introduction but I can see that in 20 years' time nobody would ever remotely consider driving "manually". Not yet, but it's coming.
Heaven help is then, mate. Count me out. It's not a world I'd want to live in!
Marco [manually-driven, non-electric car driver, or nowt].
Marco.
Filterlab
28-04-2021, 14:11
By the time it's standard, you'll most likely be well past driving. :D
Beobloke
28-04-2021, 14:16
Heaven help is then, mate. Count me out. It's not a world I'd want to live in!
Marco [manually-driven, non-electric car driver, or nowt].
Marco.
Whilst I am absolutely with you 100%, frankly looking at the standard of driving on the roads these days, letting a computer take over the control of some people’s cars would improve things hugely!
Smart motorways don't have anything to do with driverless cars, totally unconnected.
You don't think so? I beg to differ. I believe that they (and electric cars) are intrinsically linked, and NOT in a beneficial way to anyone who in future wishes to be a) in full control of the car that they're driving, and b) of where they're going (allowed to drive):trust:
At the moment all cars with driverless capability can be over-ridden by the driver.
So they say, but who knows what or whom are ultimately capable of overriding everyone or everything else? That's the trouble with computers; they're easily manipulated and simply do what they're programmed to do! I just wouldn't trust these things or go near them with a bargepole.
If they made the driving test more worthy of the name, and able to expose the incompetent idiots it currently allows onto the roads, and prevent them from doing so, that would go some way to improving road safety *at source*, without the need for technology that ultimately controls or limits your freedoms.
Marco.
Whilst I am absolutely with you 100%, frankly looking at the standard of driving on the roads these days, letting a computer take over the control of some people’s cars would improve things hugely!
It may improve safety, Adam, but it's the precedent it could set in future, and the ability for the technology in question to be abused, which worries me.
As usual though, when attempting to 'fix' problems, the 'powers that be' always take the easiest route [for them], rather than the one that fundamentally best addresses the matter, which in this case is training people, *before they're allowed onto the roads in the first place*, to be better drivers!
It should be MUCH harder to obtain a driving licence than it currently is, and if so, that would improve standards - simples.
Idiots who, despite having passed a test, still can't parallel park would be MADE to learn how to do so, if it were up to me, as well as those who pass the test, yet are 'too scared' to use motorways [I mean what's that shit all about?] MADE to learn how to do so safely, or they could forget all about driving.
Marco
Whilst I am absolutely with you 100%, frankly looking at the standard of driving on the roads these days, letting a computer take over the control of some people’s cars would improve things hugely!
if it were more reliable then maybe, but i'd rather just remove the dangerous dickheads from road. but i know it will come eventually... maybe not in my lifetime but some of it no doubt will.
It should be MUCH harder to obtain a driving licence than it currently is, and if so, that would improve standards - simples.
Idiots who can't parallel park would be MADE to learn how to do so, if it were up to me, as well as those who pass the test, yet are 'too scared' to use motorways [I mean what's that shit all about?] MADE to learn how to do so safely, or they could forget all about driving.
Marco
I have a neighbour who having passed her test (about five years ago), has lost confidence in driving anywhere, let alone driving on a motorway. I have offered to sit in with her and let her drive, starting with quiet roads and gradually increasing to driving in busier and busier traffic - but to no avail. As a consequence, her car is sat on the driveway, with a flat battery, the tyres slowly deflating, the petrol turning into gel and, no-doubt, the engine oil gummed up. It wouldn't surprise me if the engine is a complete write off. :doh:
if it were more reliable then maybe, but i'd rather just remove the dangerous dickheads from road. but i know it will come eventually... maybe not in my lifetime but some of it no doubt will.
I can just see them all in future, like lemmings, going to work daily in their identical, soulless, driver-less, no-fun, nondescript electric cars, on soulless 'Smart' motorways, all controlled by the state, to do their equally soulless, non-descript jobs, as part of their soulless, non-descript and subservient existence...
Please God, may I be ten-foot under by then!;)
Marco.
should probably be a motorway test as well now after youve passed normal one as its such a different experience for most inexperienced drivers now. its not so drastic up here tbh but 'dan sath', its madness if you dont have the confidence etc.:lol:
i can see a lane given over to automatons in future; then 2 etc...
like marco i enjoy driving more than being a passenger. but i would trust a proper driver before a bloody robot
I have a neighbour who having passed her test (about five years ago), has lost confidence in driving anywhere, let alone driving on a motorway. I have offered to sit in with her and let her drive, starting with quiet roads and gradually increasing to driving in busier and busier traffic - but to no avail. As a consequence, her car is sat on the driveway, with a flat battery, the tyres slowly deflating, the petrol turning into gel and, no-doubt, the engine oil gummed up. It wouldn't surprise me if the engine is a complete write off. :doh:
One wonders though, Barry, how much confidence she ever had? I suspect very little. I'm afraid it's people like her, unless she's unfortunately suffered since from some form of illness, who shouldn't have been allowed near a road in the first place.
Marco.
should probably be a motorway test as well now after youve passed normal one as its such a different experience for most inexperienced drivers now. its not so drastic up here tbh but 'dan sath', its madness if you dont have the confidence etc.:lol:
i can see a lane given over to automatons in future; then 2 etc...
like marco i enjoy driving more than being a passenger. but i would trust a proper driver before a bloody robot
Me too, mate.. I've always said that robots will ultimately be the ruination of mankind, and I've seen little, in terms of how they've impacted our lives so far, to change my mind.
In terms of your first point, that would go a BIG way to improving the standards of driving on motorways, thus to improving safety. It's always struck me as absolutely ludicrous that you can go from being banned from driving on a motorway, to passing your test, then simply 'let loose' on one, with ZERO experience!:doh:
Madness. It's a totally different form of driving, therefore no wonder there are so many bloody accidents! You can spot the incompetents a mile off, though, by how they use the *ACCELERATION* LANE [the first being the key word] when joining a motorway, and then their subsequent lane discipline, or rather complete lack of such!!:rolleyes:
Therefore, part of the test should be undertaken on a motorway, accompanied by an examiner, to test how the driver behaves and reacts to certain conditions, and also so that they know the rules, and prior to that, in order to learn the latter, sessions accompanied by an instructor.
However, of course it's far simpler just to CONTROL people's driving behaviour, via technology, than actually *making* them better drivers!! And what do you think's going to happen with the limited driving skills they've got, if in an emergency called upon to take evasive action, when they've become so accustomed to doing fuck all behind the wheel??
Oh, of course, apart from watching movies or engaging in social media on their equally 'smart' phones... Mostly 'smart' for whom, I wonder? It's a recipe for disaster. I despair for humanity and the brainwashed masses, I really do.
Marco.
You don't think so? I beg to differ. I believe that they (and electric cars) are intrinsically linked, and NOT in a beneficial way to anyone who in future wishes to be a) in full control of the car that they're driving, and b) of where they're going (allowed to drive):trust:
.
No they have nothing to do with each other.
This is what a smart motorway is:
A smart motorway (formerly managed motorway and active traffic management), also known in Scotland as an intelligent transport system, is a section of motorway in the United Kingdom (primarily in England) that employs active traffic management (ATM) techniques to increase capacity through the use of MIDAS technology including variable speed limits and occasionally hard shoulder running and ramp metering at busy times.
A car does not need to be battery powered to be self-driving, and not all none ICE cars have self-driving capability. So self-driving cars and electric powered cars are not linked either. Although AFAIK you can't buy a self-driving ICE vehicle although there were/are lots of prototypes.
You're missing the point, Martin. That might be what they SAY, but it doesn't necessarily mean that's what they *MEAN*. The key, and frequently mentioned word there, is "management". Where avoidable, I don't want my activities or behaviour, driving or otherwise, 'managed' by any fucker! At least not in that way.
We can go round in circles, but I stand by what I said, which is that both (heavily computerised) electric cars and 'smart' highways (not just motorways) are forms of technology able to be abused by those in control of such.
Me? I'll be the one who's in 100% control of my own car, thanks, and where I go - at ALL times! MINIMISING computerisation/automation, and MAXIMIMISING manual functionality, quite simply, is the answer for the users (not the makers) to stay in control of any product.
Marco.
All 'management' means is that there is a variable speed limit and they can open and close lanes. There's nothing in or on a smart motorway that can take control of your car, or any car.
In your opinion. Perhaps not now, but in future, who knows? Best that we just agree to disagree;)
In any case, I certainly won't be helping to facilitate the expansion of smart motorways or electric/driver-less cars!
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 18:02
In your opinion. Perhaps not now, but in future, who knows? Best that we just agree to disagree;)
In any case, I certainly won't be helping to facilitate the expansion of smart motorways or electric/driver-less cars!
Marco.
It's not an opinion Marco, it's just what it is - the smart motorway senses traffic volume and speed in a given area and posts appropriate speed limit signs to even the traffic flow. Have you ever suddenly found yourself amongst greatly slowed down traffic on the motorway, thought "ooh there must be an accident up ahead", and then the traffic clears and you find the congestion was for no good reason. Annoys the shit out of me. Smart motorways address this problem.
Don't like there being no hard shoulder though, that looks like a recipe for disaster. :doh:
Oh, and if you pay taxes you are helping facilitate the expansion of smart motorways etc etc...
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 18:08
One more thing:
Plenty of petrol heads in Britain, but I think the majority of motorists just want to reliably get from A to B in comfort. For the die hard enthusiasts there's always track days. Somewhere like Oulton Park in Cheshire. I think it's in Cheshire.
I'm not disputing what it currently does, Piggurs, simply stating what it *could do* in future, as the technology 'matures' and those in charge seek to impose more control on the road networks and behaviour of drivers.
Fortunately, I avoid motorways wherever possible, as they're so boring and soulless (much preferring to use generally more scenic A or B roads) to get to where I need to go, and fortunately am rarely in a hurry, so although I've experienced what you've said, I'm rarely troubled by it.
Yes, part of the taxes I pay will no doubt go towards paying for this pish, which can't be avoided, but I won't be 'supporting' it (or electric cars) in any other way.
Marco.
One more thing:
Plenty of petrol heads in Britain, but I think the majority of motorists just want to reliably get from A to B in comfort.
That's fine, but whilst getting from A to B, driving should, as far as possible, also be a fun and rewarding experience, not the opposite.
Marco.
Many people don't care. It's an appliance to them.
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 18:21
I'm not disputing what it currently does, Piggurs, simply stating what it *could do* in future, as the technology 'matures' and those in charge seek to impose more control on the road networks and behaviour of drivers.
Fortunately, I avoid motorways wherever possible, as they're so boring and soulless (much preferring to use generally more scenic A or B roads) to get to where I need to go, and fortunately am rarely in a hurry, so although I've experienced what you've said, I'm rarely troubled by it.
Yes, part of the taxes I pay will no doubt go towards paying for this pish, which can't be avoided, but I won't be 'supporting' it (or electric cars) in any other way.
Marco.
If enough drivers (like yourself) avoid these smart motorways like the plague, traffic volume on them will be reduced and so congestion greatly reduced, which is the aim. Job done! Pretty smart, eh? :)
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 18:27
My view on French roads: Most locals won't bother with the autoroutes for short journeys as they don't want to pays tolls, and the Peage is a pain in the arse. Makes their motorways much less clogged than ours. We on the other hand will jump on the motorway just to the next junction.
Many people don't care. It's an appliance to them.
Indeed, Edd. That's the problem, and also one of the reasons for the birth of these soulless electric 'means of conveyance', as car manufacturers simply cater for the latest trends, and design their vehicles accordingly in line with the requirements of the undiscerning masses, who are only too happy to accept what they're given:rolleyes:
Marco.
If enough drivers (like yourself) avoid these smart motorways like the plague, traffic volume on them will be reduced and so congestion greatly reduced, which is the aim. Job done! Pretty smart, eh? :)
Ha - very good! Either way, I'll rarely experience their 'joys', as my lifestyle thankfully allows me to largely avoid them!:)
Marco.
My view on French roads: Most locals won't bother with the autoroutes for short journeys as they don't want to pays tolls, and the Peage is a pain in the arse. Makes their motorways much less clogged than ours. We on the other hand will jump on the motorway just to the next junction.
Who's "we"? Maybe you, not me. Unless it was an emergency, that's the last thing I'd do.
French roads are mostly a joy to drive on, but their motorways are often as soulless as any other, hence why when we go to France by car, or to Italy, we use the main roads instead (or sometimes secondary roads), even if it takes longer, as it least you get to see something - often rather lovely little towns, full of character and history, often missed by those otherwise in too much of a rush!:)
Marco.
Filterlab
28-04-2021, 18:35
Many people don't care. It's an appliance to them.
Good point.
I am a car person, but frankly my current car is just a tool. Cheap to run, cheap to tax, if it gets a scratch or dent then so what? All I use it for is to travel for work. It's just an appliance.
Next one will be a higher end car (Panamera), but I'm likely now to go for the e-Hydrid as the economy and tax benefits are huge, despite the incredible performance. After that I'll probably go full electric. The infrastructure will be sorted by then so long distances won't be a problem.
I've several clients who run Tesla's and other full electric cars already, and not one of them wants to go back to a fossil fuel burner. :D Eventually all cars will be electric, with fuel burners the preserve of classic car rallies and track days.
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 18:35
Ha - very good! Either way, I'll rarely experience their 'joys', as my lifestyle allows me to largely avoid them!:)
Marco.
by avoiding them you're contributing to their success, so you're unwillingly supporting them! :D:D
walpurgis
28-04-2021, 18:37
by avoiding them you're contributing to their success, so you're unwillingly supporting them! :D:D
That occurred to me too.
by avoiding them you're contributing to their success, so you're unwillingly supporting them! :D:D
Lol - I don't care, as long as *I* am the one making the decision to use them or not! You can only control your initial decisions, not the subsequent consequences.
Marco.
I've several clients who run Tesla's and other full electric cars already, and not one of them wants to go back to a fossil fuel burner. :D Eventually all cars will be electric, with fuel burners the preserve of classic car rallies and track days.
Hopefully not in my driving lifetime (realistically the next 25 years). I'll certainly be holding onto whatever 'fossil fuel burner' I'm driving, as much as possible, until then!
Teslas, and other 'performance' electric cars are fine (if you like that sort of thing), but what I'm talking about is your 'average Joe's' glorified shopping trolley/city car, together with all the yawn-inducing near-identical SUVs, clogging up our roads, bought with zero imagination.
BOOORRRIINNGGG!!!:doh: :rolleyes:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 18:58
Who's "we"? Maybe you, not me.
French roads are mostly a joy to drive on, but their motorways are often as soulless as any other, hence why when we go to France by car, or to Italy, we use the main roads instead (or even sometimes secondary roads), even if it takes longer, as it least you get to see something - often rather lovely little towns, full of character and history:)
Marco.
When I say "we", I mean the average British motorist, not necessarily me, you, or any other pedant who might have seized upon that tiny little word :ner:
I too like driving in France, but have no issue with using the autoroutes. I've also used plenty of the lesser roads, but many of them are boring as shit (endless bloody miles of rapeseed fields punctuated by the occasional crumbling old neglected heap of a house with some wizened old dude sat out front. And legions of wind turbines is about as interesting as northern France gets, imo.
Of course all parts of France will have some things of interest, and they are usually signposted on the autoroutes!
Beobloke
28-04-2021, 19:16
I must admit that I am against so-called ‘smart’ motorways and particularly the removal of the hard shoulder, which seems preposterous. I despair of what’s going to become of the M27 down here once they finish ‘smartening’ it.
Before all this strange virus stuff happened in the world and Ursula was travelling the globe with work, I was a regular visitor to Heathrow to drop her off and collect her, so gained fair experience of the top of the M3, which was made ‘smart’ a year or two back.
On the first occasion after the upgrade, as I reached Farnborough, the overhead gantries said there was an incident in Lane 1 which was closed, so we all duly moved over and crawled along at the specified 50 mph. On arriving at the M25 junction a good 10 miles later, the restriction was lifted but nowhere had there been any sign of a blockage, a breakdown or a stranded vehicle.
The second time I came that way, same thing again. Closed lane, 50mph, we all moved out, nothing to be seen.
The third time I was getting wise to this so I stayed in the inside lane despite it being ‘closed’. The result? Yep, you guessed it - absolutely nothing to be seen.
If they’re all like this, then they don’t seem very ‘smart’ to me.
True the French autoroutes are boring to drive on, but because they are toll roads, there is less traffic on them than the motorways in the UK, so are marginally more enjoyable to use.
When I say "we", I mean the average British motorist, not necessarily me, you, or any other pedant who might have seized upon that tiny little word :ner:
Haha... So maintaining the pedantry, how do you know that as FACT? Do you have data to back up your rather sweeping assertion?:ner::eyebrows:;)
No-one I know would do that, or be in so much of a hurry, unless they were rushing home to a burning house with their wife and kids inside!
I too like driving in France, but have no issue with using the autoroutes. I've also used plenty of the lesser roads, but many of them are boring as shit (endless bloody miles of rapeseed fields punctuated by the occasional crumbling old neglected heap of a house with some wizened old dude sat out front. And legions of wind turbines is about as interesting as northern France gets, imo.
Indeed it can be in that area, but there are still little gems of villages to be found, often containing some fabulous family-run restaurants, and which would be missed when bypassed by a motorway - and as a foodie, you know how important that is to me [indeed is the main reason I'd be there in the first place]!:D
When I'm on holiday, I also like to just tootle along and be chilled out and relaxed, even stopping at a quaint little bar for refreshments, often found at the side of the road, which motorways don't lend themselves to. They're primarily for getting from A to B as quickly as possible, and that shouldn't really be the mindset when you're on holiday.
Marco.
I must admit that I am against so-called ‘smart’ motorways and particularly the removal of the hard shoulder, which seems preposterous. I despair of what’s going to become of the M27 down here once they finish ‘smartening’ it.
Before all this strange virus stuff happened in the world and Ursula was travelling the globe with work, I was a regular visitor to Heathrow to drop her off and collect her, so gained fair experience of the top of the M3, which was made ‘smart’ a year or two back.
On the first occasion after the upgrade, as I reached Farnborough, the overhead gantries said there was an incident in Lane 1 which was closed, so we all duly moved over and crawled along at the specified 50 mph. On arriving at the M25 junction a good 10 miles later, the restriction was lifted but nowhere had there been any sign of a blockage, a breakdown or a stranded vehicle.
The second time I came that way, same thing again. Closed lane, 50mph, we all moved out, nothing to be seen.
The third time I was getting wise to this so I stayed in the inside lane despite it being ‘closed’. The result? Yep, you guessed it - absolutely nothing to be seen.
If they’re all like this, then they don’t seem very ‘smart’ to me.
Hahahahaha... That's doesn't surprise me in the slightest! See what happens when you use your OWN brain and initiative? Instead of being led like a sheep, by technology, to 'behave' in a certain way!:D;)
Fuck that. LONG LIVE FREE-THINKING (and the ability to exercise it) in a car YOU control!!!
:exactly:
Marco.
I must admit that I am against so-called ‘smart’ motorways and particularly the removal of the hard shoulder, which seems preposterous. I despair of what’s going to become of the M27 down here once they finish ‘smartening’ it.
Before all this strange virus stuff happened in the world and Ursula was travelling the globe with work, I was a regular visitor to Heathrow to drop her off and collect her, so gained fair experience of the top of the M3, which was made ‘smart’ a year or two back.
On the first occasion after the upgrade, as I reached Farnborough, the overhead gantries said there was an incident in Lane 1 which was closed, so we all duly moved over and crawled along at the specified 50 mph. On arriving at the M25 junction a good 10 miles later, the restriction was lifted but nowhere had there been any sign of a blockage, a breakdown or a stranded vehicle.
The second time I came that way, same thing again. Closed lane, 50mph, we all moved out, nothing to be seen.
The third time I was getting wise to this so I stayed in the inside lane despite it being ‘closed’. The result? Yep, you guessed it - absolutely nothing to be seen.
If they’re all like this, then they don’t seem very ‘smart’ to me.
Annoying it might have been, but it could have been worse, much worse: you might have broken down, limped into the hard shoulder and not been noticed by the CCTV cameras, with the result that the lane was not closed and a 40 ton lorry run into the back of you!
To date over 50 people have been killed on the hard shoulder of so-called smart motorways. Use of the hard shoulder as a live lane is a daft and dangerous idea, and will remain so until the emergency breakdown zones are much closer together.
Indeed, and another valid reason why they're an epic fail on any genuinely useful level.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 20:04
Haha... So maintaining the pedantry, how do you know that as FACT? Do you have data to back up your rather sweeping assertion?:ner::eyebrows:;)
No-one I know would do that, or be in as much of a hurry, unless they were rushing home to a burning house with their wife and kids inside!
Indeed it can be in that area, but there are still little gems of villages to be found, often containing some fabulous family-run restaurants, and which would be missed when bypassed by a motorway - and as a foodie, you know how important that is to me [indeed is the main reason I'd be there in the first place]!:D
I also like to just tootle along, when I'm on holiday, and be totally chilled out and relaxed, even stopping at a quaint little bar for refreshments, often found at the side of the road, which motorways don't lend themselves to. They're primarily for getting from A to B as quickly as possible, and that shouldn't be the mindset when you're on holiday.
Marco.
But if A is the place you've just enjoyed visiting, and B is the next place of interest, the autoroutes give you more time in the places you want to be. And I have a perfectly good holiday mindset, not dashing around everywhere. Neither is eating and drinking in a fabulous family run restaurant the main reason to be there in the first place for us.
Best holiday day I ever had was in Gorges du Tarn, where we hired canoes and went down the Tarn river. Taking our time, enjoying the warm clean waters of the river (by accident, twice), watching the Griffon vultures riding the thermals, and making a couple of stops at riverside bars for a cold beer and a bite. You should try that Marco, broaden your itinerary. Though I suspect you don't 'do' canoes :ner:
Oh and replying to your first question, I don't need data to back up what i see every day with my own two eyes (I use motorways daily) :) You may disagree, but as you don't use motorways much, if ever, your "facts" can only be what someone else has told you :)
I think we broadly agree though, that smart motorways are a bit shit.
But if A is the place you've just enjoyed visiting, and B is the next place of interest, the autoroutes give you more time in the places you want to be. And I have a perfectly good holiday mindset, not dashing around everywhere. Neither is eating and drinking in a fabulous family run restaurant the main reason to be there in the first place for us.
Lol, I didn't say you didn't. You'll have to get out of the unfortunate habit of assuming general remarks I make are aimed at you!;)
I totally understand and appreciate how you use motorways, which makes sense. We tend not to have a definitive 'B' (or for that matter 'A'). We have a destination to get to, yes, but not within any set time or date (within reason), so simply arrive when we arrive:)
Best holiday day I ever had was in Gorges du Tarn, where we hired canoes and went down the Tarn river. Taking our time, enjoying the warm clean waters of the river (by accident, twice), watching the Griffon vultures riding the thermals, and making a couple of stops at riverside bars for a cold beer and a bite. You should try that Marco, broaden your itinerary. Though I suspect you don't 'do' canoes :ner:
Sounds fab, but I'm not a great swimmer (can barely keep myself afloat), so canoes would freak me out, especially if it capsized:eek:
Could you enjoy the same from the serenity (and relative safety) of a hot-air balloon?:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
28-04-2021, 20:26
Lol, I didn't say you didn't. You'll have to get out of the unfortunate habit of assuming general remarks I make are aimed at you!;)
I totally understand and appreciate how you use motorways, which makes sense. We tend not to have a definitive 'B' (or for that matter 'A'). We have a destination to get to, yes, but not within any set time or date (within reason), so simply arrive when we arrive:)
Sounds fab, but I'm not a great swimmer (can barely keep myself afloat), so canoes would freak me out, especially if it capsized:eek:
Could you enjoy the same from the serenity (and relative safety) of a hot-air balloon?:D
Marco.
I Would love that, I've never been in one. Get up there with the vultures, get their view of the world. No bars and restaurants up there though, which is a shame. We did however find this viewpoint with a cafe/bar, a thousand feet or so above the road/river (it is a gorge), which was probably the next best thing. Called the "Point Sublime", next to the village of La Malene. Beautiful place. Plenty of google pics knocking about, but you know me, can't post 'em :(
Beobloke
28-04-2021, 20:51
Could you enjoy the same from the serenity (and relative safety) of a hot-air balloon?:D
Marco.
Safety? Hot air balloon? You’re having a laugh aren’t you?! There’s no way you’d get me up in one of them!
Personally love flying but I only like to do it when I can look out of a window and see a reassuring “Rolls Royce” logo on the engine beside me!
And a G&T in hand, obviously...
Ali Tait
28-04-2021, 21:29
Hopefully the SM's will be scrapped-
https://www.majlaw.co.uk/tools/news/general-law/government-to-scrap-smart-motorways/
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