!! AOS insomniacs club !!

[Ninanina]

VTA?

That could mean so many things

[AJSki2fly]

VTA ?

See #1490, it was meant as a weird joke[emoji2960]

[Ninanina]

I really should read all the posts..:doh:

Now I get it

[Pigmy Pony]

VTA?

That could mean so many things

I wouldn't worry about it Bev, being quite petite, you won't need one. I'm sure yours is just fine. It's just...dammit, where's she gone now! Here one minute, gone the next, the little minx!

[Ninanina]

:eek::eyebrows::lol:

[Pigmy Pony]

Time fiddle with you VTA[emoji2]

I durnt! I'm scurred!

One of the would-be exhibitors (Lurch) at last month's not-happening Kegworth show had kindly offered to have a look at it for me, but now that'll have to wait. So if I can find any instructions online in words of one syllable I might give it a go.

Robert (Robbiegong) never got back to me re. suitable discs to help evaluating :( Maybe I'm on some 'ignore' lists - there's a lot of it about, and the thing is you could go around being ignored for ages without knowing it :doh: Just like Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense

[Ninanina]

Been in my satin sheets now for ages and still can’t drop off :doh:

[Scorps]

soon be heading to mi bed another night shift done only 33 sheep to go over next 18 days. Can't wait for the end of it lol.

[Pigmy Pony]

I really should read all the posts..:doh:

Now I get it

Your ears must have been burning for the last three pages of "My Daily Exercise" thread. Blame Marco, it's all his fault. I was a complete gentleman :)

[Pigmy Pony]

Been in my satin sheets now for ages and still can’t drop off :doh:

No, but I bet they make staying awake a lot more fun - personally I'm not keen, can't get any purchase :eyebrows:

[Pigmy Pony]

soon be heading to mi bed another night shift done only 33 sheep to go over next 18 days. Can't wait for the end of it lol.

Only 33? Marco can get through twice that many in a week. We can say this stuff 'cos he's still in his pit...

[dave2010]

Probably my imagination, but thick 180g pressings usually seem to sound a bit thicker and ponderous in the bass than thinner discs. Could that be a VTA thing?Very unlikely to be a VTA issue. The odd mm here or there isn't going to shift things much. It's probably something to do with resonances (or absence of them) in the disc and the interaction between the disc and the cartridge.

Small VTA adjustments might be done by a height adjustment, but I think otherwise some form of shims might be needed to adust the cartridge angle. Some arms/head shells may provide another way of doing this. I doubt that VTA adjustments are going to make a huge difference, unless things are way out of kilter.

[Pigmy Pony]

I suppose I was just wondering whether a 180g record that is say, 2mm thicker than a 'regular' weight disc, would require the arm at the pillar end to be raised by 2mm to maintain the angle.

I bought my deck/arm/cart complete, with the set up done by the manufacturer. This 'plug 'n' play set up was important to me as I have two cloth ears, 10 sausage fingers, and zero confidence that I wouldn't just make things worse. I've no reason to think they did a crappy job, and I'm happy with the sound. I was just curious about VTA, as many say 2M blacks are notoriously fussy.

I suspect that my phono stage would be the weak link in my set up, and that's where my attention will be going next, soon as I can :)

[Marco]

Only 33? Marco can get through twice that many in a week. We can say this stuff 'cos he's still in his pit...

:lolsign:

I'm up!:ner:

Where's Bessie? I've noticed recently that she's walking with a limp and running off if I get too near... Do you think she's just playing hard to get?:scratch:

Marco.

[Audio Al]

I suppose I was just wondering whether a 180g record that is say, 2mm thicker than a 'regular' weight disc, would require the arm at the pillar end to be raised by 2mm to maintain the angle.

I bought my deck/arm/cart complete, with the set up done by the manufacturer. This 'plug 'n' play set up was important to me as I have two cloth ears, 10 sausage fingers, and zero confidence that I wouldn't just make things worse. I've no reason to think they did a crappy job, and I'm happy with the sound. I was just curious about VTA, as many say 2M blacks are notoriously fussy.

I suspect that my phono stage would be the weak link in my set up, and that's where my attention will be going next, soon as I can :)

Steve , give up now as you should have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs :ner:

[Pigmy Pony]

Steve , give up now as you should have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs :ner:

Can you see which two sausage fingers I'm holding up? :D I'm really not an expert in these matters - if I were I wouldn't be a window fitter, I'd be something clever like a finger doctor.

[AJSki2fly]

Very unlikely to be a VTA issue. The odd mm here or there isn't going to shift things much. It's probably something to do with resonances (or absence of them) in the disc and the interaction between the disc and the cartridge.

Small VTA adjustments might be done by a height adjustment, but I think otherwise some form of shims might be needed to adust the cartridge angle. Some arms/head shells may provide another way of doing this. I doubt that VTA adjustments are going to make a huge difference, unless things are way out of kilter.

Not in my experience, some cartridges are very touchy about the VTA settings, both my Benz Micros for example can go from sounding bright to bassy over a total height adjustment at the pillar end of the arm of just 1.5mm. I know this accurately as I used to have an easy-VTA adjuster on my Jelco which is a micrometer.

I believe that Steve(pigmy pony) has an Ortofon 2m black and from what others have said can be critical with respect to VTA set up.

I tend to use an old 140gm record to set up, as most of my collection are thes with some 120gm and a few 180gm. For my cartridges I have found that having the head shell base parallel to record surface gives best results, and is a good compromise with a thicker 180gm record.

I use one of these now to check the set up as I have a different arm https://www.amazon.co.uk/MJJEsports-Measuring-Tonearm-Cartridge-Alignment/dp/B07SR75Q2Z/ref=sr_1_23?crid=HGVHBHWIBCR0&dchild=1&keywords=tonearm+vta&qid=1587203011&sprefix=VTA+%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-23&swrs=249271ECC9B7554A47E9A90CFCE220B7

You place the Block on the record move the head shell up next to it and then lower the cartridge down onto the record, and the carefully look to see if the line are parallel with the top of cartridge/bottom of head shell edge, if not then put arm back on rest and adjust the rear up or down slightly and re-check. Once you think it is level have a listen and see if it sounds good, if is bright then the rear is too high, if bass then it is too low.

I hope this helps.

[Pigmy Pony]

Not in my experience, some cartridges are very touchy about the VTA settings, both my Benz Micros for example can go from sounding bright to bassy over a total height adjustment at the pillar end of the arm of just 1.5mm. I know this accurately as I used to have an easy-VTA adjuster on my Jelco which is a micrometer.

I believe that Steve(pigmy pony) has an Ortofon 2m black and from what others have said can be critical with respect to VTA set up.

I tend to use an old 140gm record to set up, as most of my collection are thes with some 120gm and a few 180gm. For my cartridges I have found that having the head shell base parallel to record surface gives best results, and is a good compromise with a thicker 180gm record.

I use one of these now to check the set up as I have a different arm https://www.amazon.co.uk/MJJEsports-Measuring-Tonearm-Cartridge-Alignment/dp/B07SR75Q2Z/ref=sr_1_23?crid=HGVHBHWIBCR0&dchild=1&keywords=tonearm+vta&qid=1587203011&sprefix=VTA+%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-23&swrs=249271ECC9B7554A47E9A90CFCE220B7

You place the Block on the record move the head shell up next to it and then lower the cartridge down onto the record, and the carefully look to see if the line are parallel with the top of cartridge/bottom of head shell edge, if not then put arm back on rest and adjust the rear up or down slightly and re-check. Once you think it is level have a listen and see if it sounds good, if is bright then the rear is too high, if bass then it is too low.

I hope this helps.

Thanks Adrian, that helps a lot. The last bit of your post, which I've made bold, seems to tally with how heavyweight vinyls have sounded to me. Which one of those blocks did you buy? There are quite a few, all looking the same. Is it a BUM one? I really want one that says BUM on it :)

[Audio Al]

Cheaper BUM here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BUM-VTA-Cartridge-Azimuth-Alignment-Ruler-Headshell-Alignment-Block/183586471367?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOME SPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225114%26meid%3D1ba259 ddadab443b8675e9c75fb105f2%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3 %26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D274016028411%26itm %3D183586471367%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675 %26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithBBEV1Demotion%2 6brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

WARNING it comes from CHINA :eek:

[Pigmy Pony]

Cheaper BUM here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BUM-VTA-Cartridge-Azimuth-Alignment-Ruler-Headshell-Alignment-Block/183586471367?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOME SPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225114%26meid%3D1ba259 ddadab443b8675e9c75fb105f2%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3 %26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D274016028411%26itm %3D183586471367%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675 %26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithBBEV1Demotion%2 6brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

WARNING it comes from CHINA :eek:

Damn, I'd vowed to boycott Chinese goods wherever possible :(

[Audio Al]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Van-Den-Hul-Cartridge-Alignment/dp/B00DI8IP08

I use one of these for VTA ,hold it on a horizontal edge by the side of the arm when the arm / cart is on a old crap record , look through and read off the angle , :)

[dave2010]

Not in my experience, some cartridges are very touchy about the VTA settings, both my Benz Micros for example can go from sounding bright to bassy over a total height adjustment at the pillar end of the arm of just 1.5mm. I know this accurately as I used to have an easy-VTA adjuster on my Jelco which is a micrometer.

OK - I stand corrected, but somewhat surprised. I’d be interested to hear if Steve makes the one or two mm height adjustment whether he hears a difference.

[AJSki2fly]

Thanks Adrian, that helps a lot. The last bit of your post, which I've made bold, seems to tally with how heavyweight vinyls have sounded to me. Which one of those blocks did you buy? There are quite a few, all looking the same. Is it a BUM one? I really want one that says BUM on it :)

BUM it is with white lines, it is easier to see then and I shine a light from the side across the head shell and onto the BUM gauge, which helps seeing what is going on.

I have several records I use for VTA set up listening. An old Wishbone Ash "Live Dates" track A1 The King Will Come (a spare copy) for initial set up, you can hear when the top end is about right if the audience is clear at the start and the first few hits of the drums before the song sound crisp. Then I listen fo the clarity of the guitar for the first 30 seconds and then how well defined the bass is and the kick drum to see if they are clear and reasonably easy to differentiate.

If I want to be 100% on the true spot I will then use Eva Cassidy - Fields of Gold, the two guitars should be clearly defined and midway through you should be able to hear harmonics from the electric guitar. Eva's vocal should sound clear with a beautiful tone, their should be minimal sibilance, but there is occasionally some.

The other real tester is Ravi Shankar ‎– Portrait Of Genius, Label: Liberty ‎– LBS 83 079 Format: Vinyl, LP, Album, Reissue Released: 1967/68, Mono:- this is an interesting album and extremely well recorded album, probably just mike up and then recorded with no overdubs. I actually find the instrument positioning is quite precise across the sound stage. Track A1 Tala Rasa Ranga is the one I mainly listen to for VTA. It has two tabla drums and if the VTA is right they should sound hollow and extended pulse on each deep hand hit, and you should be able to differentiate between the two, also a wood block is used and this should be very clear and precise, across it all is the sitar and this should be part of the mix occasionally coming to the fore, with lovely sitar drone. The flute when it come in should just float over the top and sound oh so smooth.

If Eva and Ravi sound perfect you have it right, if you find Eva has lots of sibilance then lower the rear of the arm just a touch, if you go to far you will loose the harmonic from the guitars. If the wood block on the Ravi track is not crisp and clear, then raise the rear slightly, the tablas if the do not sound rounded and extended and you cannot easily separate the two of them then the arm is down too much, so just raise it a touch.

When I first started this to listen to different cartridges and also with different head shells I found it quite tricky, however I now can swap between two cartridges quite easily and check the set up and get it right in 10-15 minutes, I now trust my ears knowing what it should sound like, in fact sometimes I just listen to the Wishbone Ash track and know whether it right or not. IMO opinion its is all about familiarity with how to to do it and how it sounds. I now have 3 cartridges and sometimes have to remount one as at the moment I only have 2 head shells, even then I can get it set up in 30-40 minutes.

My advise is the first time you do it just take your time and treat it as a fun learning exercise. Always raise and lower the arm with the arm lift and ensure you raise it and put it back on its rest securely before adjusting the height of the arm pillar. I cannot remember what arm you have but if it does not have a mechanism for VTA adjustment that stop the arm dropping make sure you lock the pillar lightly after adjusting it up/down to stop it moving before listening to a track again. Once you are happy with how it sounds make sure the pillar is securely locked but do not over tighten lock screws. Another though is if you have a second back up cartridge you could try it out with that first before you try setting up with the 2M Black.

I hope this helps out, you can use any tracks that you are familiar with that have easy to hear vocals, drums, bass and has detail like I have already described, then you will hear how the adjustment affects how it sounds.

[Pigmy Pony]

Thanks for all this Adrian, some very good advice - I will order me a BUM tomorrow.

I don't have any of the records you use, but I would probably try using "Wish You Were Here", which may just be the most familiar recording I have. it is a 180g jobbie, but it has a rather recessed treble and slow bass quality.

It'll be a slow learning process, but it's not like I'm snowed under with things to do :)

[AJSki2fly]

Best to find a 140gm from the 70’s and then check out the 180gm sound imo

[Scorps]

one of my funeral songs is wish you were here :)

[struth]

Thanks for all this Adrian, some very good advice - I will order me a BUM tomorrow.

I don't have any of the records you use, but I would probably try using "Wish You Were Here", which may just be the most familiar recording I have. it is a 180g jobbie, but it has a rather recessed treble and slow bass quality.

It'll be a slow learning process, but it's not like I'm snowed under with things to do :)Remember to wipe down the bum when it comes.. Germs etc.. [emoji3]

[Audio Al]

Bed at 24,00 up at 02.30 , Washing out on the line for a early start drying

Now drinking coffee and viewing Patriots day on Amazon :)

[Scorps]

listening to a bit of electro jazz at mo watching cameras. 29 to go.

[Pigmy Pony]

Best to find a 140gm from the 70’s and then check out the 180gm sound imo

I could use "Countdown to Ecstasy" and "Meddle", both 70s middleweight discs. These are both familiar to me.

Anyway, I won't post any more on the subject on this thread - I don't want worrying about it giving folk sleepless nights. I'll put my findings on the "I trashed my deck and now it's in the bin" thread that Andre started a while ago :)

[Frazeur1]

[QUOTE=Pigmy Pony;1182074 I will order me a BUM tomorrow.[/QUOTE] Snigger....Nothing like doing it the easy way, just order me a bum! Haha! And then Struth's comment about washing the bum down when it comes, even better! :rfl:

[Pigmy Pony]

Snigger....Nothing like doing it the easy way, just order me a bum! Haha! And then Struth's comment about washing the bum down when it comes, even better! :rfl:

I suppose you would call it "FANNY" on your side of the pond, but don't try to order one from a European site, as you would be taking delivery of something very different :eyebrows:

[Frazeur1]

Nah, would just call it an ass or butt. I could see where there could be some potential mix ups if one wasn't careful though! Could end up very disappointing....

[walpurgis]

No worse than popping into town to pick up some fags I suppose. :)

[Audio Al]

Morning sleepy heads , I'm up and wide awake as usual :)

Time for a beer and another listen to the Sony / AI 500 / Usher system , Drink up people :cool:

[Audio Al]

Morning :)

[struth]

Evening all.. Move all please,.. No waiting sir.

[AJSki2fly]

Afternoon


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[Pigmy Pony]

Been awake since 5.30, I expect all the real insomniacs will be fast asleep by now :)

[AJSki2fly]

Sunrise is best time of day to be awake


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[struth]

Sunarise, so early in the morning.

[Macca]

Thinks I am going to have to join this group. Don't seem to be able to sleep past 0630 anymore. Still had 8 hours kip but even so, it's a bit early to be getting up.

[Pigmy Pony]

Sunarise, so early in the morning.

Bringing all the warmth to the ground...

That's Alice Cooper's version, not the dodgy kiddy-fiddler ;)

[Pigmy Pony]

Thinks I am going to have to join this group. Don't seem to be able to sleep past 0630 anymore. Still had 8 hours kip but even so, it's a bit early to be getting up.

Go to bed later...simple! :D

Early morning is the best time of the day imo, I like having an hour or two on my own by myself with nobody with me, just a few twittering birds.

[Macca]

Go to bed later...simple! :D

Early morning is the best time of the day imo, I like having an hour or two on my own by myself with nobody with me, just a few twittering birds.

I've tried that, doesn't help that there's jack shit on the telly. And I live alone so always by myself anyway. The only human contact I get is at work and that's off the cards too at the moment.

By 0900 I've read pretty much every hi-fi site and news story. I was so bored yesterday I actually cleaned the front window. Which admittedly did need doing, must be ten years since I last did it. But that's not the point! I'm concerned that I will do more cleaning today. Already got the hoover out but not actually done anything with it yet. But it's only a matter of time.

There should be a sponser you can call like with AA - ''Dave? Yes it's Mart. I'm tempted mate. I'm tempted. Got a hoover right here in front of me.''

[Pigmy Pony]

Yeah, hoovers really are best when viewed from a distance.

I feel for you mate - it's easy for us smug gits to complain about being stuck in together, but when your housemate is a TV talking shite most of the time, I can see how the hoover would start to look attractive. I would suggest hard drugs as a way to pass the time, but you don't want to risk your health by bringing something into the house that's been God-knows-where :(

[Macca]

If you can tell me where I can score hard drugs during lockdown I'm all ears. In fact soft drugs will do, I'm not fussy.

[AJSki2fly]

I've tried that, doesn't help that there's jack shit on the telly. And I live alone so always by myself anyway. The only human contact I get is at work and that's off the cards too at the moment.

By 0900 I've read pretty much every hi-fi site and news story. I was so bored yesterday I actually cleaned the front window. Which admittedly did need doing, must be ten years since I last did it. But that's not the point! I'm concerned that I will do more cleaning today. Already got the hoover out but not actually done anything with it yet. But it's only a matter of time.

There should be a sponser you can call like with AA - ''Dave? Yes it's Mart. I'm tempted mate. I'm tempted. Got a hoover right here in front of me.''

Get yourself a dog, then you can get up early to secretly exercise it without seeing others, and exercise it again at tea time. You’ll have ours of fun training and playing with it, and cleaning up after it, and he or she will give you uncompromising love in return. As a bonus if you run out of food you can eat dog biscuits.

[Pigmy Pony]

The getting has never been a problem, and I doubt the average dealer is too worried about social distancing. The problem is when a social stoner has no one to get trashed with :(

I've a couple of nice little projects to do outside, but I'm wary of spending money on the necessary materials as I won't have any income for at least another five weeks, and when (if) it comes I've no idea how much it will be. I've just splashed out 7 quid on a VTA gauge, and I feel bad about that.

Been up a couple of hours now, and I'm bored shitless. Still too early to play records, so I'm off outside with my kindle, 6 music on the Makita radio, and a posh coffee. Hopefully after a few chapters, the world will be ready for a bit of Crime of the Century played loud :)

[Macca]

Get yourself a dog, then you can get up early to secretly exercise it without seeing others, and exercise it again at tea time. You’ll have ours of fun training and playing with it, and cleaning up after it, and he or she will give you uncompromising love in return. As a bonus if you run out of food you can eat dog biscuits.

Well it's an idea but I'm way too lazy to own a dog. Dogs are hard work and you're dealing with someone who only cleans the windows once a decade.

[AJSki2fly]

The getting has never been a problem, and I doubt the average dealer is too worried about social distancing. The problem is when a social stoner has no one to get trashed with :(

I've a couple of nice little projects to do outside, but I'm wary of spending money on the necessary materials as I won't have any income for at least another five weeks, and when (if) it comes I've no idea how much it will be. I've just splashed out 7 quid on a VTA gauge, and I feel bad about that.

Been up a couple of hours now, and I'm bored shitless. Still too early to play records, so I'm off outside with my kindle, 6 music on the Makita radio, and a posh coffee. Hopefully after a few chapters, the world will be ready for a bit of Crime of the Century played loud :)

Your Bloody Well Right![emoji23]

[Pigmy Pony]

Get yourself a dog, then you can get up early to secretly exercise it without seeing others, and exercise it again at tea time. You’ll have ours of fun training and playing with it, and cleaning up after it, and he or she will give you uncompromising love in return. As a bonus if you run out of food you can eat dog biscuits.

A dog is for life, not just for lockdown! :D Mrs. P really would like another dog - it has taken three years to get over the loss of Brian, our last dog, and she feels ready now. I fear the cat may disagree though - she doesn't even like us very much, and we feed her :(

[AJSki2fly]

Well it's an idea but I'm way too lazy to own a dog. Dogs are hard work.

I told my wife about you cleaning your front window after 10 years, she took me by surprise she said “OMG what’s he doing, he will have upset the room sonics by removing the dust and dirt and now will have to replace all his hifi” [emoji23][emoji23]

[Macca]

A dog is for life, not just for lockdown! :D Mrs. P really would like another dog - it has taken three years to get over the loss of Brian, our last dog, and she feels ready now. I fear the cat may disagree though - she doesn't even like us very much, and we feed her :(

My cat would have loved this lockdown. He was never happy about me going out to work every day. Of course he would come and go as he pleased.

[Macca]

The getting has never been a problem, and I doubt the average dealer is too worried about social distancing. The problem is when a social stoner has no one to get trashed with :(

I've a couple of nice little projects to do outside, but I'm wary of spending money on the necessary materials as I won't have any income for at least another five weeks, and when (if) it comes I've no idea how much it will be. I've just splashed out 7 quid on a VTA gauge, and I feel bad about that.
)

Shame you're not closer I've got a shipload of work you could have. No need for PC plod to find out. Or the Vatman for that matter ;)

[Pigmy Pony]

Well it's an idea but I'm way too lazy to own a dog. Dogs are hard work and you're dealing with someone who only cleans the windows once a decade.

may I recommend a bullmastiff? Our last couple of dogs were bulmastiffs - they look hard as nails, but are very loving and sensitive, don't eat that much for a big 'un, and most importantly they're lazy as f__k. Well not completely lazy, but after ten minutes or so they've had enough. Don't live very long though, which can be heartbreaking.

[Pigmy Pony]

I told my wife about you cleaning your front window after 10 years, she took me by surprise she said “OMG what’s he doing, he will have upset the room sonics by removing the dust and dirt and now will have to replace all his hifi” [emoji23][emoji23]

Another good reason to get a bullmastiff - they're very nosey (like most dogs) and are constantly looking out of the window. A couple of weeks of mastiff snot 'n' drool, and the window's sonic properties will be restored :)

[Pigmy Pony]

Shame you're not closer I've got a shipload of work you could have. No need for PC plod to find out. Or the Vatman for that matter ;)

VAT? What's that then? Actually I think this virus will pretty much spell the end for cash jobs. Maybe I'll start to get paid in cabbages and chicken eggs.

[Audio Al]

A friend of mine borrowed my double ladders 13 years ago , He only offered them back to me as he was moving house

[Pigmy Pony]

You should have said "No it's ok, call them a housewarming present, and if I ever need to borrow them I know where they are".

[AJSki2fly]

I've tried that, doesn't help that there's jack shit on the telly. And I live alone so always by myself anyway. The only human contact I get is at work and that's off the cards too at the moment.

By 0900 I've read pretty much every hi-fi site and news story. I was so bored yesterday I actually cleaned the front window. Which admittedly did need doing, must be ten years since I last did it. But that's not the point! I'm concerned that I will do more cleaning today. Already got the hoover out but not actually done anything with it yet. But it's only a matter of time.

There should be a sponser you can call like with AA - ''Dave? Yes it's Mart. I'm tempted mate. I'm tempted. Got a hoover right here in front of me.''

I have had an idea for you Martin, to help alleviate your boredom and have hours and hours of fun.

I now you have quite a selection of hifi, amps, CDPs, TT's(?), and of course speakers, so you could set yourself a little task of carefully checking that all the possible permutations are not better than you current set up.

1. Create a spreadsheet with a list of all components.

2. create a list of possible amp/speaker combinations

3. Start listen to each amp/speaker combination with some favourite well known tracks and score them out of 0 to 10, you can choose your criteria.

4. Having got to the favourite, go through each CDP and select best sounding

5. Repeat 4 with each different type of input, Tuner, TT, Digital feed etc.

Hours of fun!:eyebrows::D Plus you can tidy and dust as you go.

Once finished you can put the inferior stuff up for sale and then start on trying some new better kit. :eek:

[struth]

Another good reason to get a bullmastiff - they're very nosey (like most dogs) and are constantly looking out of the window. A couple of weeks of mastiff snot 'n' drool, and the window's sonic properties will be restored :)

they no doubt do huge shits tho;)

[Marco]

Lol - you guys crack me up... Just up, after enjoying a lovely sleep (went to bed at 1am, after listening to some choons), and not bored at all!:ner::lol:

Time for a nice cappuccino, and then I'll decide what joys the rest of the day will hold!:gig:

Marco.

[Audio Al]

I have had an idea for you Martin, to help alleviate your boredom and have hours and hours of fun.

I now you have quite a selection of hifi, amps, CDPs, TT's(?), and of course speakers, so you could set yourself a little task of carefully checking that all the possible permutations are not better than you current set up.

1. Create a spreadsheet with a list of all components.

2. create a list of possible amp/speaker combinations

3. Start listen to each amp/speaker combination with some favourite well known tracks and score them out of 0 to 10, you can choose your criteria.

4. Having got to the favourite, go through each CDP and select best sounding

5. Repeat 4 with each different type of input, Tuner, TT, Digital feed etc.

Hours of fun!:eyebrows::D Plus you can tidy and dust as you go.

Once finished you can put the inferior stuff up for sale and then start on trying some new better kit. :eek:

Adrian

One HUGE flaw in the above , It means doing something :eek::eek:

[Macca]

Adrian

One HUGE flaw in the above , It means doing something :eek::eek:

There's a bigger flaw than that, out of the 20 odd CD players only 2 actually work flawlessly. And I've already tried all other possible permutations of everything else.

[Pigmy Pony]

There's a bigger flaw than that, out of the 20 odd CD players only 2 actually work flawlessly. And I've already tried all other possible permutations of everything else.

That's the thing with boredom, folk always assume that doing stuff is the answer! I would never dare tell Mrs. P that I'm bored :nono:

[Marco]

Is the 'cos she'll soon 'unbore' you with some jobs?:eyebrows:

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

they no doubt do huge shits tho;)

True, but on the plus side, when would-be intruders hear THE BARK, they do huge shits too :eek:

[Barry]

I have over 30 cartridges in various different headshells. I also have 10 pickup arms, so there are at least a hundred combinations that could be tried. But am I going to try them all? No, of course not - I'm far to busy listening to music to 'faff' around with all that.

The nearest I'm getting to doing any comparisons, is changing the interconnects between the pre- and power amp every few week. I have about 15 to try out, and so far I have heard no real difference between the three already tried.

[Audio Al]

I have over 30 cartridges in various different headshells. I also have 10 pickup arms, so there are at least a hundred combinations that could be tried. But am I going to try them all? No, of course not - I'm far to busy listening to music to 'faff' around with all that.

The nearest I'm getting to doing any comparisons, is changing the interconnects between the pre- and power amp every few week. I have about 15 to try out, and so far I have heard no real difference between the three already tried.

Barry , That's the wat to do it :D

[AJSki2fly]

I have over 30 cartridges in various different headshells. I also have 10 pickup arms, so there are at least a hundred combinations that could be tried. But am I going to try them all? No, of course not - I'm far to busy listening to music to 'faff' around with all that.

The nearest I'm getting to doing any comparisons, is changing the interconnects between the pre- and power amp every few week. I have about 15 to try out, and so far I have heard no real difference between the three already tried.

It’s 300 hundred head shell arm combos, and if you have more than one TT then it that number times 300 should keep you busy[emoji23]

Swapping interconnect wires is a bit of a tricky one, it is very amp dependant. So that will keep you even busier. [emoji33][emoji23]


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[AJSki2fly]

There's a bigger flaw than that, out of the 20 odd CD players only 2 actually work flawlessly. And I've already tried all other possible permutations of everything else.

Really?


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[Macca]

Really?


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Yes really. I am that sad.

[Pigmy Pony]

I have over 30 cartridges in various different headshells. I also have 10 pickup arms, so there are at least a hundred combinations that could be tried. But am I going to try them all? No, of course not - I'm far to busy listening to music to 'faff' around with all that.

The nearest I'm getting to doing any comparisons, is changing the interconnects between the pre- and power amp every few week. I have about 15 to try out, and so far I have heard no real difference between the three already tried.

With that lot there clearly was a lot of faff in your history. Nice that you can now relax and enjoy the fruits of your labours :)

[AJSki2fly]

Yes really. I am that sad.

Maybe where I am going with my Tuner trails[emoji33]

[Barry]

It’s 300 hundred head shell arm combos, and if you have more than one TT then it that number times 300 should keep you busy[emoji23]

Swapping interconnect wires is a bit of a tricky one, it is very amp dependant. So that will keep you even busier. [emoji33][emoji23]


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Some arm/cartridge combinations will be mechanically incompatible, so the number of possible combinations will be less than 300.

Regarding the interconnects, I have four power amps fitted with RCA phono input connectors, the rest have balanced XLR inputs. Those fitted with RCA phonos are Quad 405s (variously modified), so essentially there is only one power amp to use.

But all of this is only a bit of fun - my usual set up is fully balanced from source to speakers, so after I have tried all the unbalanced interconnects, I'll be getting rid of most of them.

[Barry]

With that lot there clearly was a lot of faff in your history. Nice that you can now relax and enjoy the fruits of your labours :)

I've always been interested in the electromechanical transducers we call cartridges and with that, the pickup arms that carry them. I still like to 'tinker' with arms and cartridges: I have four TTs so I can continue to listen to music whilst I chop and change arms and cartridges.

[AJSki2fly]

Hello I’m awake again![emoji853]


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[struth]

Hello I’m awake again![emoji853]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWell you've no right to be [emoji23]

[AJSki2fly]

Argh! I eventually dosed off at about 5:30 and now I’m here again[emoji51]


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[Audio Al]

That's because it's adictive :D

[AJSki2fly]

That's because it's adictive :D

That's it I am addicted to you Al, it's all your fault.:lol:

[struth]

death stalks you at every turn....:eek:

[AJSki2fly]

death stalks you at every turn....:eek:

I’ve never been likened to the Grim Reaper before [emoji33][emoji33][emoji33]


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[Audio Al]

That's it I am addicted to you Al, it's all your fault.:lol:

:D

[AJSki2fly]

I’m still awake just[emoji41]


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[Audio Al]

I’m still awake just[emoji41]


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And me , also I'm off to work soon :D

[struth]

We're off to see the wizard

[Scorps]

Dont know if im looking forward to end of lambing tbh. Means i have to accept the facts i cant finally have a night out wi missus or go away for a weekend somewhere diff in uk. But we in lockdown :(. Am allowed out next Tuesday for a click n collect though might go wave at mi mother through her window n cheer her up.

[AJSki2fly]

Awake early, but a bit better night, only woke a couple of times and managed to get back off to sleep.[emoji846]


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[Pigmy Pony]

Dont know if im looking forward to end of lambing tbh. Means i have to accept the facts i cant finally have a night out wi missus or go away for a weekend somewhere diff in uk. But we in lockdown :(. Am allowed out next Tuesday for a click n collect though might go wave at mi mother through her window n cheer her up.

Yeah it's times like this when you really envy sheep - at least they get out and about with their mates. Of course it's easy to forget what a shit job they have when the weather's bad. Grass is always greener on the other side, as any sheep able to speak English would tell you

[Ninanina]

Hmmm sheep speaking English... a nice thought....

[Audio Al]

Bed at abot 23 50

Awake at 02.00 , gave up at 02.30 and here I am again , Bins out , and beer in hand IPA shandy :cool:

Time for some forum surfing :)

[Ninanina]

Bed at abot 23 50

Awake at 02.00 , gave up at 02.30 and here I am again , Bins out , and beer in hand IPA shandy :cool:

Time for some forum surfing :)

I'm still here Al... you ok ?

[Audio Al]

I'm still here Al... you ok ?

Yes i'm fine Bev :) , How is your partner these days any improvement ?

[Ninanina]

Hi Al... he's doing fine thanks..... wouldn't call him my 'partner' though... he was at one time..

[Ninanina]

Do you also have hairy arms? Just a thought.... :lol:

[Ninanina]

Oops that was very personal... sorry bout that Al...

[Audio Al]

Oops that was very personal... sorry bout that Al...

Only slightly , Thats me out of the running :doh:

[Audio Al]

Hi Al... he's doing fine thanks..... wouldn't call him my 'partner' though... he was at one time..


OK , thought you 2 were a item :)

[Ninanina]

Only slightly is ok Al... I just love hair on a guy and none on myself... :eek:

[Ninanina]

OK , thought you 2 were a item :)

No not exactly Al.. I just look after him best I can... and always will do...

[Ninanina]

I consider myself as single....

[struth]

Beauty and the beast was Bevs fave story [emoji3]

[Audio Al]

Only slightly is ok Al... I just love hair on a guy and none on myself... :eek:

:( I'm bald as well ,Mr slaphead :(

[Pigmy Pony]

:( I'm bald as well Mr slaphead :(

Grass doesn't grow on a busy street, that's what I tell myself

[Barry]

......... I just love hair on a guy and none on myself... :eek:

Are you bald Bev? If so, that's a very convincing wig you're wearing. :D

[AJSki2fly]

I’m still awake and it’s Friday night[emoji33]


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[struth]

I’m still awake and it’s Friday night[emoji33]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNa, your sleepwalking [emoji3]

[Audio Al]

[QUOTE=AJSki2fly;1185871]I’m still awake and it’s Friday night[emoji33]


It's a tad early for bed isnt it ? unless :bonk::booty:

[struth]

[QUOTE=AJSki2fly;1185871]I’m still awake and it’s Friday night[emoji33]


It's a tad early for bed isnt it ? unless :bonk::booty:It's never to early

[Marco]

Furra pump?:eyebrows:

Marco.

[Audio Al]

[QUOTE=Audio Al;1185882]It's never to early

OK I will try sleep now :)

[Audio Al]

Epic fail , that did not work :(

[struth]

Too much coffee. Lol

[Audio Al]

As I am not working i'm on shandy tonight :cool:

[Scorps]

budweiser all the way :) although i need to go to bed early tonight. Worming first lot of lambs tomorrow n missus reckons 8 oclock in kitchen lol cant see that happening miself tbh.

[struth]

Used to like bud. Can't seem to manage beer now. Whisky in moderation tho is another thing. Although it won't bother me if I didn't. I went about 3 years without a drink.

Before that I shifted a fair amount [emoji23]

[Ninanina]

Are you bald Bev? If so, that's a very convincing wig you're wearing. :D

No I've got plenty of hair on my head, and it's getting longer as I've not been able to go to the salon ;)

[AJSki2fly]

Morning piglets


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[Pigmy Pony]

No I've got plenty of hair on my head, and it's getting longer as I've not been able to go to the salon ;)

Gardener does Mrs. P's hair, he has this really long attachment. Can't say I'm too impressed with the results, but I would never say.

[Scorps]

im beginning to look a bit like grizzly adams. My hair is long enough for a ponytail again lol.

[Marco]

Gardener does Mrs. P's hair, he has this really long attachment.

Should I bite or be a good boy?:D

:hmm::hmm:

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Should I bite or be a good boy?:D

:hmm::hmm:

Marco.

I left it like that just for you, I knew you couldn't resist :D

[Marco]

Ah, an open goal? I love those....:eyebrows:

Marco.

[Ninanina]

Gardener does Mrs. P's hair, he has this really long attachment. Can't say I'm too impressed with the results, but I would never say.


:stalks::stalks: :eek:

[Frazeur1]

Gardener doing hair? Quite the multitasker. Or something along those lines....:eyebrows:

[Ninanina]

My hair is growing quite nicely.. was shoulder length but now below that... the only hairy bit I've got....

[Frazeur1]

No underarm hair? :)

[Ninanina]

No underarm hair? :)

Gosh no... that's not nice

[Frazeur1]

Guess I misunderstood...:lol: Not!

[Ninanina]

Indeed Timothy...

I only like hair on the head.... otherwise v smooth...

[Frazeur1]

That is nice. Once there, easier to maintain. I only wish I had more hair on top, what I have keep it closely trimmed, easy to take care of, and I can do it myself. Keep my salt and pepper beard trimmed close too. Now the rest, well.....

[Ninanina]

That is nice. Once there, easier to maintain. I only wish I had more hair on top, what I have keep it closely trimmed, easy to take care of, and I can do it myself. Keep my salt and pepper beard trimmed close too. Now the rest, well.....

Indeed Timothy.... don't worry about the 'hair on top' ... that's quite nice in my view...

I quite like a nicely trimmed beard.. good for tickling the bits.... :eek:

[Scorps]

gotta be careful of beard rash

[Ninanina]

Absolutely you do...

[Frazeur1]

Tickling the bits, that is funny! Yeah, I don’t worry over my lack of hair on top, not vain in that way at all. I do miss it though, like when I am at the ocean, never fails, I usually get a bit of a burn on the skull if I am not careful.

[Ninanina]

Indeed ... you know what it's like for a girly...

Baldness on top is good for me... burn or not...

[Scorps]

you is what you is at end of day mate. My hairdresser says i have good hair for my age lol (dunno what that means). Beard diff thing all together have cpl of nice badger stripes when i grow it. Generally only had a shave when i went out for pool or beers or see mi Ma. Rest of time just let it grow. Trim it when it itches :)

[Ninanina]

you is what you is at end of day mate. My hairdresser says i have good hair for my age lol (dunno what that means). Beard diff thing all together have cpl of nice badger stripes when i grow it. Generally only had a shave when i went out for pool or beers or see mi Ma. Rest of time just let it grow. Trim it when it itches :)

Let it grow Pete...I also trim when it itches :eek:

[Scorps]

ill trim yours u can trim mine

[Ninanina]

no problem at all...

[Scorps]

no mohicans though

[Ninanina]

no just smoothness here...

[Scorps]

best bring mi razor then

[Ninanina]

no I don't do razors... gives me a rash... I'll use Nair though... in 'that' area...

[Scorps]

slap a bit of gillette sensitive on will sort rash. Bit of a soothing rub after, sorted.

[Ninanina]

Gosh the soothing rub got me going... as you say... sorted... :eek:

[Scorps]

thought so i know my soothing rubs

[Ninanina]

That really gets me going ... rubs are just nice... both ways...

[Scorps]

i like a good rub now n then

[Ninanina]

You'd love my rubs...

[Scorps]

could do with one at mo been worming sheep n lambs all day. Managed to get about half done but ache from soles of mi feet to mi shoulders. Had a long soak in bath earlier just doing a bit of budweiser therapy now. Day off tomorrow then start again monday deff getting too old for this game.

[Ninanina]

I do good rubs... in all the right places too...

[Scorps]

will have to take your word on that one

[Ninanina]

You know you can trust me on that...

[Scorps]

oh i do.

[Ninanina]

Nice one... :D

[Frazeur1]

27683My ugly mug with no hair....

[Pigmy Pony]

27683My ugly mug with no hair....

We all look like that on AoS, even the women... sorry Bev, but until we have evidence to the contrary :D

[Frazeur1]

Haha! Funny Steve! And yes, I guess we just will have to wait forever to be graced with a pic of Bev. That’s okay though!

[Pigmy Pony]

Haha! Funny Steve! And yes, I guess we just will have to wait forever to be graced with a pic of Bev. That’s okay though!

You're right it is ok, I have a mental picture, and that's good enough for me :)

[AJSki2fly]

Good morning punters, it’s that time of day again[emoji51]


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[Ninanina]

I don't have any 'decent' pics to post... I'll see what I can do.. or would that spoil it? :scratch:

[walpurgis]

I don't have any 'decent' pics to post... I'll see what I can do.. or would that spoil it? :scratch:

Yeah. Keep 'em in the dark and retain an air of mystery! ;)

[Ninanina]

Yeah. Keep 'em in the dark and retain an air of mystery! ;)

Might just do that Geoff.... ;)

I could always post an 'indecent' pic I guess :eyebrows:

[Roy S]

We all look like that on AoS

I resemble that remark!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49860136318_05146068e6.jpg

[Ninanina]

Looks good to me Roy...

[Scorps]

mine not like that lol

[Ninanina]

your what Pete ?

[Audio Al]

Yeah. Keep 'em in the dark and retain an air of mystery! ;)

i'v still not got over seeing Marco in the flesh , All those years ago :eek:

[Scorps]

my pic if i had 1

[Roy S]

i'v still not got over seeing Marco in the flesh , All those years ago :eek:

Don't forget our tryst Al, I was the one who started you on the road to reel to reel ecstasy when I gave you that spare reel :eyebrows:

[Ninanina]

Only experience I've had of reel to reel was an old Grundig my family had... don't know about "ecstasy" though

[Frazeur1]

I will keep my eyes closed Bev, promise! :)

[Ninanina]

I will keep my eyes closed Bev, promise! :)

No I really shouldn't Timothy.... it'd make your hair curl.... :eyebrows::lol::lol:

[Frazeur1]

Funny, what hair? Some of it is already quite curly. Oh wait, TMI.

[Ninanina]

Indeed... :doh::lol::lol:

[Ninanina]

Timothy I see you have the Naim XS3... what's it like? I had an XS2 for a while before replacing it with a SN2... I liked the XS2 a lot

[Marco]

i'v still not got over seeing Marco in the flesh , All those years ago :eek:

Yesh, dahling, I'll never forget how our eyes met over a pair of Tannoys that sunny spring day, and you were resplendent in your Easter bonnet.

Marco.

[Audio Al]

Yesh, dahling, I'll never forget how our eyes met over a pair of Tannoys that sunny spring day, and you were resplendent in your Easter bonnet.

Marco.

:scratch: Err ! you been :smoking: again ? , If I recall it was at Scalford hall 8 maybe 9 years ago ,

You had your better half in tow :D

[Marco]

Indeed, daftee, and at what time of the year was the Scalford show normally on?

Marco.

[Audio Al]

Indeed, daftee, and at what time of the year was the Scalford show normally on?

Marco.

:scratch: 32nd of Julember :ner:

[Marco]

Yesh, as I recall, around March-eroony, hence Easter, and hence why that lovely wee bonnet you were wearing, matched your floral frock:kiss::D

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

I resemble that remark!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49860136318_05146068e6.jpg

You can't be serious about your hifi, you've got too much hair.

[Marco]

His balls are baldy, though....

Marco.

[AJSki2fly]

His balls are baldy, though....

Marco.

too much Immac I've been told:eek:

[Pigmy Pony]

I don't have any 'decent' pics to post... I'll see what I can do.. or would that spoil it? :scratch:

Quite possibly - my mental picture sets the bar pretty high.

However my mental picture of Marco is based on the descriptions given by people who have met him. The real thing can only be an improvement :)

[Pigmy Pony]

His balls are baldy, though....

Marco.

Bit harsh - if your balls also dragged along the ground, and the tarmac scraped all the hairs off, you wouldn't want the world to know about it :(

[struth]

What in the name of Bonapart's balls do you mean?

[dave2010]

too much Immac I've been told:eek:Or was it Veet?

[Marco]

However my mental picture of Marco is based on the descriptions given by people who have met him. The real thing can only be an improvement :)

Is this a good time to mention the vision I wake up with you in a sailor suit?

Marco.

[Roy S]

You can't be serious about your hifi, you've got too much hair.

Even more than that now, might have to get the Wahls out for a number 2.


His balls are baldy, though....

Marco.

Been peeking again?

I get them waxed, the pain is delicious & it keeps them clean & tidy for teabagging :D

[Pigmy Pony]

Is this a good time to mention the vision I wake up with you in a sailor suit?

Marco.

Always a good time as far as I'm concerned, but them we're as bad as each other :) Not surprised about the sailor suit bit - I heard you often wake up with seamen in your head (not sure I spelled that right) :eyebrows:

[Pigmy Pony]

Even more than that now, might have to get the Wahls out for a number 2.



Been peeking again?

I get them waxed, the pain is delicious & it keeps them clean & tidy for teabagging :D

I'm strictly a coffee man from now on :(

[struth]

I'm strictly a coffee man from now on :(Wise thinking. Let the little bean get dipped. [emoji23]

[AJSki2fly]

Well I’ve just dipped the tea bag, time for a brew


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[Audio Al]

Bed at 22.30 awake again at 01.30 and here I am :D

[Scorps]

been doing mi radio show tonight alus ends up a late one lol bed bound now

[Marco]

.Let the little bean get dipped. [emoji23]

Better when it's big and freshly flicked....:eyebrows:

Just up and time for a YOOFA!

Marco.

[Frazeur1]

Timothy I see you have the Naim XS3... what's it like? I had an XS2 for a while before replacing it with a SN2... I liked the XS2 a lot

Sorry for the delay Bev. I really like it a lot, I would guess not much difference from the XS2 really, but it does have a nice MM phono stage built in now, which is nice, as I do spin vinyl every now and then. It still has the typical grippy character, yet seems to be more neutral than the older Naims, especially the Olive series. I really kind of like all of the Naims for various reasons, have had pieces of their kit since early 80's in one shape or another. Not the end all be all, but good, solid gear.

I bought it along with the newer ND5XS2 media streamer, as I was looking to replace my aged Uniti1. I kept looking at the newer Uniti series and almost bought a Star, but in the end, I just didn't want to put that much crazy money into an all-in-one again, although it did sound really good. My dealer gave me a great deal on the combo, and it came in much cheaper than the Star to boot, and now as technology changes in the digital world, I just have to update the streamer, not the amplifier. Made more sense to me. I kept my Uniti1 though, will put it to use in the bedroom, it still sounds really great, just not upgradeable anymore, the platform is old tech.

Have only had it a bit over two months now, enjoying it a lot. Seems to work with most any speaker I have, so no complaints! I take it your still really pleased with your ML/Maggies?

[Audio Al]

Morning sleepy heads , anyone awake , I have for some unknown reason just spent 1 hour cleaning in the kitchen :doh:
Unsure what brought that on :D

[AJSki2fly]

Hello Al, I have been awake half the night, then went to sleep around 5 only to awake now feeling crap. Hey-ho[emoji51]


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[Audio Al]

Bed at 21.30 as I was shattered
Awake again at 23.30 , needed a pee :rolleyes:
Gave up trying to sleep at 01.30

Will try again now , Night night :)

[AJSki2fly]

I’m back here now, 3pm and the usual wakes me up. Just made a cuppa and will see if I can doze back off.


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[AJSki2fly]

I dozed off eventually seems everyone else slept well[emoji846]


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[Audio Al]

Woo that worked until 06.30 :)

3 pm Adrian :scratch:

[AJSki2fly]

Yes I did some extra stuff yesterday which I shouldn’t but had no choice as Sue is in hospital, she had her big operation on Monday, it went well and she is recovering, hopefully she will be home tomorrow, will need 6-8 weeks to get over it.

The extra stuff I did brought on the angina quite bad last night which is why I was awake for over hour.


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[Audio Al]

Morning , Bed at 23.00 and wide awake at 02.30 , and here I am now

Coffee machine on and a whiskey and coke zero while I wait :cool:

[struth]

My turn to be up.. Pain got to me. Plus a blocked beak

[Pigmy Pony]

Yes I did some extra stuff yesterday which I shouldn’t but had no choice as Sue is in hospital, she had her big operation on Monday, it went well and she is recovering, hopefully she will be home tomorrow, will need 6-8 weeks to get over it.

The extra stuff I did brought on the angina quite bad last night which is why I was awake for over hour.


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Give her our best wishes, she'll be up and about and dancing in cardboard boxes before you know it :)

[AJSki2fly]

Give her our best wishes, she'll be up and about and dancing in cardboard boxes before you know it :)

Don’t I just know it, Sue’s an endless bubble of energy[emoji2]

[Audio Al]

Go Sue Go :D Please wish you better half a speedy recovery from Audio Al

Up at 4am after turning in at 1 am :doh:

[Macca]

Go Sue Go :D Please wish you better half a speedy recovery from Audio Al



Nobody recovers from Audio Al.

[Audio Al]

Nobody recovers from Audio Al.

OK you put em up :punch:

:)

[RobbieGong]

Yes I did some extra stuff yesterday which I shouldn’t but had no choice as Sue is in hospital, she had her big operation on Monday, it went well and she is recovering, hopefully she will be home tomorrow, will need 6-8 weeks to get over it.

The extra stuff I did brought on the angina quite bad last night which is why I was awake for over hour.


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All the best with Sue's recovery Adrian and you go easy as best you can, dont want both of you laid up, needing care and looking after ;) :)

[Marco]

+1 with bells on. Take care both:)

Marco.

[AJSki2fly]

Thanks Marco, Al, Steve and everybody who has sent good wishes.

Sue came home this morning and is obviously pretty sore. She should have came home yesterday afternoon but they could not remove one of the small tube in her tummy, 3 nurses and 3 drs had a go but it would binge and was pulling inside and hurting Sue. So they left it to this morning and the consultant put a fine needle down it and managed to straighten it and then remove it, he gave her a load of local anaesthetic before. He showed Sue the tube and it had got kinked inside her stopping it coming out. Anyway she’s home and 6-8 weeks recovery.


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[Barry]

Only just read this.

Our best wishes to Sue and yourself. I expect she is glad to be home. Look after her, and stay safe.

[Audio Al]

Morning peep's

As usual i'm awake , Time for a drink and a film :)

[AJSki2fly]

Only just read this.

Our best wishes to Sue and yourself. I expect she is glad to be home. Look after her, and stay safe.

Thanks Barry, Sue is happy she is out of hospital, a difficult worrying time to go in, but she said they were obviously being very careful with cleanliness and covid precautions. Once the pain and bruising subsides I am sure Sue will be back to her usual self.


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[Alex_UK]

Best wishes to Sue for a speedy recovery. And you take care too Adrian.


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[struth]

Yes hoping she bounces back soon Adrian

[AJSki2fly]

Yes hoping she bounces back soon Adrian

Thanks guys, Sue is doing well considering, but as to be expected lots of pain as result of the operation, so popping a cocktail of painkillers and lots of rest. I am hoping she will start feeling better at the weekend.

[Audio Al]

:eek::ner::cool:

[Scorps]

:cheers::drugs::cool:

[Audio Al]

Looks like most are blowing out snore's :)

[Roy S]

Looks like most are blowing out snore's :)

Well ain't that just typical of people who keep normal hours...

[Marco]

I was blowing out something else earlier, a real sheet-lifter. Had a nice 'tang' to it, too...:eyebrows:

Marco.

[Frazeur1]

I'm sure Del appreciated that! :steam:

[Marco]

Nah, she loved it, as she's big into 'dutch ovens':eyebrows:;)

Marco.

[Scorps]

whats normal hours lol i dont usually abide by them

[AJSki2fly]

Well maybe it’s the new normal [emoji33]:doh


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[Frazeur1]

I bet she is, although maybe she got in on the action and fired a few volleys across the bow, or tried to take the “mainsail” down, haha!

[Marco]

:lolsign:

Well, fanny-farts can often be even more entertaining!

Marco.

[Audio Al]

Morning people , Was awake earlier but as everyone is sleeping better thought I had better not pop in ,
Just in case I woke you up :D

[AJSki2fly]

Been awake since 6am, showered walked Harry and Sue in the local woods(not a 250 mile trip to get there), feed the dog, made breakfast, sitting down with a coffee and saying hello to Al.[emoji41]

[Macca]

I now have no neighbours so was up until gone midnight playing loud rock and roll music and having a skinful. Still wide awake and up at 0830. I don't understand it.

[AJSki2fly]

I now have no neighbours so was up until gone midnight playing loud rock and roll music and having a skinful. Still wide awake and up at 0830. I don't understand it.

Don’t tell me they have all gone off for the weekend for a jolly irrespective of the current issues[emoji33]

[Audio Al]

Been awake since 6am, showered walked Harry and Sue in the local woods(not a 250 mile trip to get there), feed the dog, made breakfast, sitting down with a coffee and saying hello to Al.[emoji41]

:scratch: Err ! shouldn't that be Sue and Harry :) , Glad to here Sue is up and about

[Macca]

Don’t tell me they have all gone off for the weekend for a jolly irrespective of the current issues[emoji33]

No, they moved house.

[Audio Al]

opps double post

[Audio Al]

All quiet for the lucky people sleeping I see :D

[AJSki2fly]

No, they moved house.

Was there a reason [emoji23][emoji3]


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[AJSki2fly]

Awake early again, seems no one around, including Al oddly. Sweet dreams all


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[struth]

All quiet on the western front

[AJSki2fly]

Dosed back off just awake again


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[Macca]

Was there a reason [emoji23][emoji3]


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yes, it wasn't me though! They had two houses and after having a baby they decided to go and live in the larger one.

[Audio Al]

[QUOTE=AJSki2fly;1193361]Awake early again, seems no one around, including Al oddly.

Sweet dreams all

Al oddly was at work so wide awake :D

[Audio Al]

Cock a doodle do !!! :D , It's up and atom time :)

I had a box arrive from PS VAIN with 2 glass bottles inside , 211 valves :eyebrows: