Pet Hates........or FFS

[icehockeyboy]

Why should it make a difference? Are you going to undertake them?

No.
But why doesn't it make a difference?

Picture this .....numerous cars in the left hand lane, all stationary, the right hand lane, which has arrow markings for straight ahead, and turning right,so in the interest of using up empty space on the road, and alleviating tail backs,so, with with just one car sitting there, no indicators going,to alert other road users of their intention, probably assuming that we all have ESP poor unsuspecting other driver joins the right hand lane, naturally thinking that as no indicators are flashing, he's going to go straight ahead, but no, the lights turn, and twat face then starts to signal to turn right, and poor sod behind him can't move until all the oncoming traffic has come across the junction, at which stage twat face moves off, and the poor sucker behind him, now half an hour behind the last car that was in the left hand lane, finally moves off.

[Barry]

If there are two lanes at the approach to the roundabout there are presumably two lanes for the 'straight on' exit. Therefore those cars queuing in the left-hand lane will use the left-hand lane on exit and the similarly, those in the right-hand lane will use the right-hand lane on exit..

[Marco]

Picture this .....numerous cars in the left hand lane, all stationary, the right hand lane, which has arrow markings for straight ahead, and turning right,so in the interest of using up empty space on the road, and alleviating tail backs,so, with with just one car sitting there, no indicators going,to alert other road users of their intention, probably assuming that we all have ESP poor unsuspecting other driver joins the right hand lane, naturally thinking that as no indicators are flashing, he's going to go straight ahead, but no, the lights turn, and twat face then starts to signal to turn right, and poor sod behind him can't move until all the oncoming traffic has come across the junction, at which stage twat face moves off, and the poor sucker behind him, now half an hour behind the last car that was in the left hand lane, finally moves off.

Indeed - and bloody annoying it is, too! Some folk seem to drive around as if in a stupor.... :rolleyes:

Marco.

[RichB]

That 'home from home' East Coast rail as they show on the telly. I just did a London return in a day and let me tell you its an ouright lie. Hot, uncomfortable, sweaty overpriced pos it is.

[Roy S]

That 'home from home' East Coast rail as they show on the telly. I just did a London return in a day and let me tell you its an ouright lie. Hot, uncomfortable, sweaty overpriced pos it is.

Nice scenery though (at least when you get past Newcastle :eyebrows:)

[RichB]

Nice scenery though (at least when you get past Newcastle :eyebrows:)

The story goes that travelling back to London from her Scottish estate, Queen Victoria would instruct the curtains be closed in her carriage before she passed Newcastle, apparently she couldn't bear to look at it.

I'd imagine this compares to the sense if relief I feel when the train reaches Durham and the cathedral all lit up comes into view... You can't deny its a lovely sight.

[Roy S]

The story goes that travelling back to London from her Scottish estate, Queen Victoria would instruct the curtains be closed in her carriage before she passed Newcastle, apparently she couldn't bear to look at it.

I'd imagine this compares to the sense if relief I feel when the train reaches Durham and the cathedral all lit up comes into view... You can't deny its a lovely sight.

The stretch around Berwick's my favourite bit. Coming back approaching King's Cross with the anticipation of mixing with the hoi polloi on the tube is also a high spot.

[stairpost]

Forums with too many obnoxious members that just post to criticise the OP or their question, rather than contribute to the thread.

Avoiding it is why i enjoy visiting AOS so much :-)

[walpurgis]

Forums with too many obnoxious members that just post to criticise the OP or their question, rather than contribute to the thread.

Avoiding it is why i enjoy visiting AOS so much :-)

Nicely put. There are many such forums.

[jollyfix]

I have never tried any other forums, seems like there are some unfriendly forums out there. Very happy here on AOS, nice people with loads of knowledge. I have been lucky enough to have met some members in person, all of who were/ are great guys.

[RichB]

I have never tried any other forums, seems like there are some unfriendly forums out there. Very happy here on AOS, nice people with loads of knowledge. I have been lucky enough to have met some members in person, all of who were/ are great guys.

Absolutely... Having managed to meet a few of the members here in person the forum becomes even more friendly and none of the other forums have that for me.

Speaking of which its almost time to load up the motor and hit the road, camera charged to make some new acquaintances and mingle again with the 'old'.

A day of great music and great kit in the company of likeminded souls. What could be better!:)

[awkwardbydesign]

Well, one could've avoided them, and not have been held up, by going into the L/H lane (if said lane was available for going straight on), had the driver been indicating to turn right in the first place... ;)

The single thing that annoys me most about driving are the 'self-appointed Traffic Police', who think that they 'own' the fast lane on motorways (and thus can take permanent residence there without shifting out of the way), simply because they're doing 70mph! :steam:

Marco
Even more annoying are those who call it the fast lane. It's the OVERTAKING lane!

[awkwardbydesign]

Forums with too many obnoxious members that just post to criticise the OP or their question, rather than contribute to the thread.

Avoiding it is why i enjoy visiting AOS so much :-)


Even more annoying are those who call it the fast lane. It's the OVERTAKING lane!
:lol::lol::lol:

[awkwardbydesign]

If there are two lanes at the approach to the roundabout there are presumably two lanes for the 'straight on' exit. Therefore those cars queuing in the left-hand lane will use the left-hand lane on exit and the similarly, those in the right-hand lane will use the right-hand lane on exit..
Eh? Roundabout? :scratch:

[Barry]

Eh? Roundabout? :scratch:

Have you never come across roundabouts where the approach and exits have more than one lane?

[awkwardbydesign]

Have you never come across roundabouts where the approach and exits have more than one lane?
Yes, but what does that have to do with the previous posts? About not signalling at traffic lights.
BTW, I have just retired. As a driving instructor!

[walpurgis]

Favourite thing around here is ignoring lane markings and going straight on from 'right turn' lanes or turning at 'straight on' junctions. Overtaking on the inside using an active bus lane is a regular thing too.

I came across one female 'arse' today, we were in a queue at traffic lights, I was behind her and two cars were in front of her. I could see she was fumbling about with the stereo and when the lights went green, the two motors in front of her drove off leaving me stuck behind her. I got fed up and drove around her and stopped at the signals which by now were red again, she then started ranting, so I just told the dozy cow to shut her trap! :steam:

[awkwardbydesign]

And I love the drivers who signal after they turn! Usually one quick flash.

[awkwardbydesign]

Favourite thing around here is ignoring lane markings and going straight on from 'right turn' lanes or turning at 'straight on' junctions. Overtaking on the inside using an active bus lane is a regular thing too.


One of my instructors commented that signs, road markings, etc. are "driver stuff", ie. for other people, as most of those behind the wheel are not drivers. They are pedestrians just trying to get from A to B with the minimum effort or concentration. And I think he was right! The car is just an extension of their living room.

[Barry]

That's not as bad as truckers who indicate as they are changing lanes on a motorway - with no forewarning whatsoever! One has to develop a 'sixth sense' to this.

Also, those drivers using the inside lane of the motorway (or as you correctly describe it "an overtaking lane"), who on being informed the lane is closed in say 400 or 800 yards distance, leave it to the last minute to change lanes, thereby forcing their way in; whereas most people will merge lanes at the earliest opportunity.

[awkwardbydesign]

Also, those drivers using the inside lane of the motorway (or as you correctly describe it "an overtaking lane"),
I think that's the outside lane. Unless Essex is different? :lol:

[Barry]

I think that's the outside lane. Unless Essex is different? :lol:

I always think of it as the "inside" lane since it is inside the motorway, nearest the crash-barrier. You join a motorway from outside, so logically the "outside" lane is the first one you join with the slower moving traffic.

But then a rose by any other name ....

[awkwardbydesign]

Ah, you need to be careful then, as it IS known as the outside lane. If you ever get instructed (by the police at an accident site, for example?) to use the outside lane, you could cause BIG problems. Seriously!

[stairpost]

Easiest way to remember it is you overtake and are overtaken on the outside.

[YNWaN]

I think that's the outside lane.


Yes, it is.


I always think of it as the "inside" lane since it is inside the motorway, nearest the crash-barrier. You join a motorway from outside, so logically the "outside" lane is the first one you join with the slower moving traffic.

But then a rose by any other name ....

But there is no inside or outside to a motorway as a whole. You don't join the motorway from outside, you just join it. The lane you join is the inside lane - there are also two overtaking lanes and the fastest is the outside lane. I'm afraid it's not a question of personal preference as to how this terminology is applied.

[struth]

In Glasgow you can join and leave the motorway on both sides..can be damn confusing at times if your not used to it..

[awkwardbydesign]

In Glasgow you can join and leave the motorway on both sides..can be damn confusing at times if your not used to it..
Is that motorways merging? If so, it's not uncommon, but I've not experienced actually joining a motorway from the right, as far as I recall, but then my memory is crap!
Back to pet hates; the M6 toll road. If you are in the overtaking lane, you could easily end up on it without meaning to. But if you sit in that lane all the time, then it would serve you right!

[struth]

Coming on it is, but the right off ramp is not

[Marco]

Never mind joining from the left or the right - it's the assholes who don't use the acceleration lane properly, and wank along joining the motorway at 50mph (or less), just because they want to sit in the inside lane, like an incontinent pensioner, holding you up in the process, when you want to zoom up to 70-80mph and enter that fast lane ASAP!!

SHIFT OUT OF THE FOOKING WAY, YOU DITHERING SLOW-ARSED FARTS!!! :guns: :guns:

Marco.

[prestonchipfryer]

What gets me is the stupid fuckers who lane hop in a queue of slow moving traffic, hoping to get on a bit quicker. Total tossers the fucking lot. Oh and the outside lane is for people like moi. :lol:

[Marco]

Lol... Ditherers, of any description, do my dome in!

Another example of the breed are the wombats who refuse to shift (move forward) at roundabouts, unless there's no traffic, coming from the right, visible for about five miles - but even then sit there and WAIT, just in case the car they can just about make out on the horizon, has a rocket under its hood, and so might zoom up and crash into them!!

Yeah, way too risky! :mental:

GET A FOOKING MOVE ON, YOU DITHERING CONFIDENCE-STRAPPED MORONIC EXCUSE OF AN ENTITY!!! :guns: :guns:

:lol:

Marco.

[walpurgis]

These are the same people who stand in supermarket aisles gawping at shelf contents with their trolley swung out behind them blocking the way. I've had more than one confrontation with these idiots. They also get offended when you walk past and bang your basket against their trolley, the response is usually something like an indignant "Excuse me", to which I normally reply 'do you think I'm apologising to your f***ing trolley?'

[awkwardbydesign]

Never mind joining from the left or the right - it's the assholes who don't use the acceleration lane properly, and wank along joining the motorway at 50mph (or less), just because they want to sit in the inside lane, like an incontinent pensioner, holding you up in the process, when you want to zoom up to 70-80mph and enter that fast lane ASAP!!

SHIFT OUT OF THE FOOKING WAY, YOU DITHERING SLOW-ARSED FARTS!!! :guns: :guns:

Marco.
Oh dear. In case you hadn't realised (like the outside lane being an OVERTAKING lane, not the fast lane?), there is a give way line at the end of the slip road. As in - give way to traffic on the motorway?
So what I hate is the idiots right up your arse while you are checking it is actually safe to join. It's very hard to do that with some tosser about to run into the back of your car because he is to close and too fast. Do they not realise the car in front may be going slower than they normally would because of THEM? The closer someone is behind me, the slower I have to drive. So they are often causing the the problem they complain about. :doh:
I often get oblivious muppets pulling out without looking, and then abusing me for being on "their" motorway. And on the bike, that could kill me.

[awkwardbydesign]

These are the same people who stand in supermarket aisles gawping at shelf contents with their trolley swung out behind them blocking the way. I've had more than one confrontation with these idiots. They also get offended when you walk past and bang your basket against their trolley, the response is usually something like an indignant "Excuse me", to which I normally reply 'do you think I'm apologising to your f***ing trolley?'
There should be a licensing system for shopping trolleys. And shopping bans.

[awkwardbydesign]

Pet hates? My cat keeps sicking up his food and asking for more. I hate HIM! He's not ill, he just gulps it down so fast it comes back up, so we have to trickle feed him.

[Tim]

I think a few here might need to take a driving test again, or consider an IAM course . . . which would cool you down, make you safer and the big one, save you a packet of money on insurance and fuel and most likely prolong the life of your brakes/tyres and the onset of greying hair ;)

Just sayin' :sofa:

[Marco]

Hi Richard,


Oh dear. In case you hadn't realised (like the outside lane being an OVERTAKING lane, not the fast lane?), there is a give way line at the end of the slip road. As in - give way to traffic on the motorway?


Sure, but that's a different situation to what I'm referring to. The slip road, leading to joining a motorway, is effectively an acceleration lane, allowing you, as quickly as possible, to reach the same speed as the traffic already on that motorway, which unless there is some type of hold-up, is mostly around 70mph, and in many cases faster than that.

Therefore, when I reach the end of that slip road/acceleration lane, before joining the motorway, I want to be matching the speed of the oncoming traffic (and thus be able to hit the fast/outside lane as soon as it's safe to do so), not be held back by some dithering buffoon doing 45/50mph, simply because he or she just wants to slip slowly into the inside (slow lane) behind all the trucks! :rolleyes:

In that scenario, they're simply not only a damn nuisance and an obstacle impeding my progress, but also not using the acceleration lane/slip road correctly for its intended purpose. The fact is, it's very dangerous joining a motorway travelling at a speed significantly slower than that of the oncoming traffic; the process should be carried out as seamlessly as possible, so these ditherers are bloody a hazard.

Marco.

[Beobloke]

Sure, but that's a different situation to what I'm referring to. The slip road, leading to joining a motorway, is effectively an acceleration lane, allowing you, as quickly as possible, to reach the same speed as the traffic already on that motorway, which unless there is some type of hold-up, is mostly around 70mph, and in many cases faster than that.

Therefore, when I reach the end of that slip road/acceleration lane, before joining the motorway, I want to be matching the speed of the oncoming traffic (and thus be able to hit the fast/outside lane as soon as it's safe to do so), not be held back by some dithering buffoon doing 45/50mph, simply because he or she just wants to slip slowly into the inside (slow lane) behind all the trucks! :rolleyes:

In that scenario, they're simply not only a bloody nuisance and an obstacle impeding my progress, but also not using the acceleration lane/slip road correctly for its intended purpose. The fact is, it's very dangerous joining a motorway travelling at a speed significantly slower than that of the oncoming traffic; the process should be carried out as seamlessly as possible, so these ditherers are bloody a hazard.

Marco.

Whilst I see where you're coming from, if the inside lane of the motorway is travelling at 50-ish mph due to lorries, then what they are doing is correct as the slip road is intended for them to match the speed of the traffic on the motorway. Those people who plough onto the motorway and then cut straight across to the second or third lane are usually simply being agressive. You can usually spot them a mile off by the 'Audi' badge on their car, though!

My pet hate with this situation is the people who come down the slip road, don't look in their mirrors and completely ignore you who are already on the motorway, thus expecting YOU to move out of THEIR way! Sadly, now that I have a small and boring car, I sometimes have to do this to avoid an accident but it was amazing how coming up against a big green Range Rover that wasn't budging used to make them see the error of their ways.. :D

[Andrei]

Whilst I see where you're coming from,
Well, that's a relief :rolleyes:

[awkwardbydesign]

I think a few here might need to take a driving test again, or consider an IAM course . . . which would cool you down, make you safer and the big one, save you a packet of money on insurance and fuel and most likely prolong the life of your brakes/tyres and the onset of greying hair ;)

Just sayin' :sofa:
:lol: I remember an old saying- there are two areas where men can't take criticism; sexual prowess and driving ability!
There was a series on TV a while back about drivers with problems; each driver went out with an instructor who assessed their driving. The woman who couldn't park (her main problem was her critical sister, IIRC), the angry young man whose girlfriend was scared to go with him (he used to get angry with drivers on the motorway who didn't get out of his way as he came down the slip road, he even said they were in the wrong lane! When he had the rules explained to him he enjoyed his driving more, and so did his girlfriend!). And the older driver in a Morris Minor whose family complained he was too slow, and held up the traffic. The instructor complimented him on his driving and observation and said he could pass the driving test tomorrow!
As for the IAM course, I did that on the motorbike, but didn't learn anything new, but then I was pretty careful already. I think there are better advanced courses and tests out there.
I actually agree that ditherers cause problems, but IMO not nearly as many as the impatient and aggressive drivers.
Obviously I am perfect.:pat:

[Marco]

Hi Adam,


Whilst I see where you're coming from, if the inside lane of the motorway is travelling at 50-ish mph due to lorries, then what they are doing is correct as the slip road is intended for them to match the speed of the traffic on the motorway. Those people who plough onto the motorway and then cut straight across to the second or third lane are usually simply being agressive. You can usually spot them a mile off by the 'Audi' badge on their car, though!


I fully agree. However, I'm talking about when the traffic is flowing freely, yet some selfish ditherer still insists on joining the motorway 20mph slower than everyone else, bar the trucks in the inside lane, impeding my progress in the process, simply because all they want to do is join the slow lane and sit there for the duration of their journey! :doh:

When permitted by the cars in front of me, and providing that the traffic on the motorway is flowing freely, I use the acceleration lane/slip road to increase my speed up to around 80mph, thus joining the motorway in a position that enables me, traffic permitting, to effortlessly 'glide', as quickly and as safely as possible, into the lane of my choice (the 'fast lane'), and in a way that causes no-one else already on the motorway to brake or change course.

If the flow of traffic prevents me from doing that, then I take one lane at a time and slowly edge myself out onto the fast lane. However, I resent being prevented from doing the former as a result of some dithering imbecile in front of me, who is rather selfishly unconcerned about the speed of anyone else's progress other than his own! :wanker:


My pet hate with this situation is the people who come down the slip road, don't look in their mirrors and completely ignore you who are already on the motorway, thus expecting YOU to move out of THEIR way!


Yes, I also hate that. When I'm in that position, I always give way to the traffic entering from the slip road, but more often than not I've read the situation ages back and have gotten well out of the way in advance, thus impeding neither their progress nor my own. I always like to prepare myself for what's happening both in front of and behind me (in that respect, I'm constantly looking in the rear view mirror).

Quite simply, being vigilant and showing some courtesy towards other road users, prevents accidents!

Marco.

[Marco]

I actually agree that ditherers cause problems, but IMO not nearly as many as the impatient and aggressive drivers.


I do agree, however dithering/indecisive drivers can be just as bad, and much if it stems from a lack of confidence, especially when it comes to motorway driving. Quite simply, if you're so nervous and/or have such a lack of confidence, then you shouldn't be out on the road in the first place.

I know women, for example, who are 'too scared' to use motorways (and thus avoid them like the plague, causing themselves untold inconvenience in the progress), yet have been driving for over 20 years!

What's that muppetry about? :doh:

Marco.

[Macca]

My mother passed her test in 1978 and has never driven on a motorway. She doesn't like dual carriagways much either. In fact she won't actually drive more than a couple of miles from her house which does defeat the whole purpose of the exercise somewhat....

[Beobloke]

Yes, I also hate that. When I'm in that position, I always give way to the traffic entering from the slip road, but more often than not I've read the situation ages back and have gotten well out of the way in advance, thus impeding neither their progress nor my own. I always like to prepare myself for what's happening both in front of me and behind me (in that respect, I'm constantly looking in the rear view mirror).


I completely agree and this is the route I generally take. However when the motorway is crowded, there's something behind you and something in the middle lane that means you can't easily either slow down or move out of their way then there's not much option but to take them on!

[walpurgis]

My pet hate with this situation is the people who come down the slip road, don't look in their mirrors and completely ignore you who are already on the motorway, thus expecting YOU to move out of THEIR way!

Yeah. What is that all about. Are people really too stupid to realise that joining vehicles don't have priority over traffic on the main carriageway?

[awkwardbydesign]

Yes, I also hate that. When I'm in that position, I always give way to the traffic entering from the slip road,

Marco.


I completely agree and this is the route I generally take. However when the motorway is crowded, there's something behind you and something in the middle lane that means you can't easily either slow down or move out of their way then there's not much option but to take them on!
Wrong, wrong, wrong! You shouldn't "give way" to traffic on the slip road, that is their responsibility. Anticipate, yes, move over if it is safe, yes, adjust your speed SLIGHTLY, yes, but not give way! Otherwise you can end up with the stupid and dangerous situation where the driver on the motorway slows, the driver on the slip road (who actually knows the rules, and the danger of assuming) also slows and all the cars behind BOTH of them risk running into them and causing a major incident. The give way line is there for a reason!

[awkwardbydesign]

Sadly, now that I have a small and boring car, I sometimes have to do this to avoid an accident but it was amazing how coming up against a big green Range Rover that wasn't budging used to make them see the error of their ways.. :D
Lol! I used to commute on a motorbike and had lots of aggressive driving, but it was fun when I drove the big old Merc camper van. The same people, if they tried it on, had to deal with ME! :D

[awkwardbydesign]

Yeah. What is that all about. Are people really too stupid to realise that joining vehicles don't have priority over traffic on the main carriageway?
Yes.

[awkwardbydesign]

My mother passed her test in 1978 and has never driven on a motorway. She doesn't like dual carriagways much either. In fact she won't actually drive more than a couple of miles from her house which does defeat the whole purpose of the exercise somewhat....
A DSA survey a few years ago found that 26% of qualified drivers were scared of motorway driving. (The other 74% drove Audis and BMWs. :lol:)
The proposed changes to allow learners onto motorways with an ADI are well overdue, IMO. Here in Plymouth we are quite lucky, as the A38 is almost a motorway, with tractors, bicycles and T junctions! At 70mph. And all driving tests include joining and leaving.

[Marco]

Wrong, wrong, wrong! You shouldn't "give way" to traffic on the slip road, that is their responsibility.

Yes I know, but I do it out of courtesy, as I know how pissed off I am when I'm in their position, getting nearly to the end of the slip road/acceleration lane, and running out of road, whilst the inconsiderate buggers on the inside lane of the motorway refuse to budge over and let me in!! ;)

Marco.

[awkwardbydesign]

I must say what a relief it is how this thread has remained civil. Unlike the other place. But drivers on already on the motorway shouldn't be expected to move.

[Mr Kipling]

People who can't stop saying "Know what-a mean?" after every other sentence.

Know what-a mean?

[Puffin]

Hi Richard,



Sure, but that's a different situation to what I'm referring to. The slip road, leading to joining a motorway, is effectively an acceleration lane, allowing you, as quickly as possible, to reach the same speed as the traffic already on that motorway, which unless there is some type of hold-up, is mostly around 70mph, and in many cases faster than that.

Therefore, when I reach the end of that slip road/acceleration lane, before joining the motorway, I want to be matching the speed of the oncoming traffic (and thus be able to hit the fast/outside lane as soon as it's safe to do so), not be held back by some dithering buffoon doing 45/50mph, simply because he or she just wants to slip slowly into the inside (slow lane) behind all the trucks! :rolleyes:

In that scenario, they're simply not only a damn nuisance and an obstacle impeding my progress, but also not using the acceleration lane/slip road correctly for its intended purpose. The fact is, it's very dangerous joining a motorway travelling at a speed significantly slower than that of the oncoming traffic; the process should be carried out as seamlessly as possible, so these ditherers are bloody a hazard.

Marco.

There are slow drivers, timid drivers and those that should never have been given a licence. They just about managed to fool the examiner that they were safe on the road as they managed to control the vehicle at under 30mph on residential/town roads. They neither have the ability or the confidence to drive on A roads or Motorways, and the technique to join them from a slip road is something that they have only dreamed about when they have woken up screaming like a banshee after terminal nightmares that they were going to be "made" to drive like a real motorist and battle the "slip road to death":eek::eek:

[Puffin]

I must say what a relief it is how this thread has remained civil. Unlike the other place. But drivers on already on the motorway shouldn't be expected to move.

No one knows the Highway Code anymore, or if they did they have "conveniently" forgotten the bits that "might slow them down a bit". Yes, you should not have to alter your speed or direction by someone joining the road. However, there are times when a collision is the outcome unless you do. Selfish arseholes.

[Marco]

There are slow drivers, timid drivers and those that should never have been given a licence. They just about managed to fool the examiner that they were safe on the road as they managed to control the vehicle at under 30mph on residential/town roads. They neither have the ability or the confidence to drive on A roads or Motorways...

Indeed, and I'd remove all the ditherers from the roads, or make them sit another test to prove that they possess the necessary skills to share the roads with the rest of us that have them! ;)

That should reduce the frustration levels of driving a bit, by ridding us of their ineptitude.....

I've got lots of good ideas, in that respect. For example, how about heavily fining folk (along with administering penalty points) who stupidly run out of fuel on motorways, thus creating horrendous tailbacks in the process, with all the inconvenience (and often loss of income) that causes for the rest of us?

[I'd also include vehicles breaking down that haven't been regularly maintained or serviced].

MUPPETS!!!

In this day and age, driving inside urban zones, there is simply NO acceptable excuse for running out of fuel!! :nono:

Marco.

[awkwardbydesign]

There are slow drivers, timid drivers and those that should never have been given a licence. They just about managed to fool the examiner that they were safe on the road as they managed to control the vehicle at under 30mph on residential/town roads. They neither have the ability or the confidence to drive on A roads or Motorways, and the technique to join them from a slip road is something that they have only dreamed about when they have woken up screaming like a banshee after terminal nightmares that they were going to be "made" to drive like a real motorist and battle the "slip road to death":eek::eek:


Indeed, and I'd remove all the ditherers from the roads, or make them sit another test to prove that they possess the necessary skills to share the roads with the rest of us that have them! ;)


Marco.
Or there was a pupil of mine, brilliant driver, passed his test first time with 2 minor faults (one too fast, one too slow!), and within a few months had crashed twice, racing other drivers on the Hoe, and had his doors kicked in by someone who took exception to his attitude.
It's generally the drivers who think they are better than others who are usually worse. And have to take extended retests!

[Marco]

Lol.... I would gladly support re-testing every, say, 15 years, up until the age of 65 (in order to prove driving competence), whereupon the frequency of testing increases to every five years, until the age of 80 and above, where it then increases to every two years.

The problem at the moment is that there are way too many idiots on our roads, masquerading as 'drivers', who are woefully inept at the skills it takes to genuinely be good at the job - indeed some could say the very same for parenting!! :eek: :door:

;)

Marco.

[brian2957]

The amount of drivers today who don't indicate and don't appear to know the ' rules ' of negotiating a roundabout is scary .
I've been driving for 40 years and as soon as I can ( retirement ) I'll be using my bus pass . I'll only be driving when it's absolutely necessary :)

[awkwardbydesign]

Hah! I have a bus pass, but only ever used it to get to the hospital. My arm was in sling from a motorbike crash. But I can't blame another driver for that; my front brake suddenly locked up and threw me down the road!
So that reminds me of another pet hate; the rock hard metal seats in A&E, bolted down. I have a skinny arse and they are agony. I demanded a wheelchair!

[Barry]

Yes I know, but I do it out of courtesy, as I know how pissed off I am when I'm in their position, getting nearly to the end of the slip road/acceleration lane, and running out of road, whilst the inconsiderate buggers on the inside lane of the motorway refuse to budge over and let me in!! ;)

Marco.

Tell that to truck drivers driving in convoy and doing 60mph. I've had to come to a virtual standstill on the slip road waiting for them to pass.

[Marco]

Good shout - don't get me started on fooking lorry drivers!! :steam:

Marco.

[Barry]

Good shout - don't get me started on fooking lorry drivers!! :steam:

Marco.

Well that was my original contribution to the discussion about, ermm - shall we say "inconsiderate" drivers: in particular truck drivers who only indicate as they change lane, without any forewarning.

[awkwardbydesign]

Tell that to truck drivers driving in convoy and doing 60mph. I've had to come to a virtual standstill on the slip road waiting for them to pass.
What do you think they should do?

[walpurgis]

Truckers are f***ers and so are black cab drivers and white van man and old people who do 16 mph and so are teenagers on 50cc scooters and women drivers who stop at clear junctions and roundabouts and wait until they've 'given way' to somebody and bus drivers and........................

[Barry]

What do you think they should do?

Nothing, for reasons discussed. However if the slip road is short, as it is exiting from some service stations, you have no other option but to sit and wait.

[Marco]

What do you think they should do?

SHIFT OVER and let other folk onto the motorway, too!!

What are you supposed to do, sit and wait at the end of slip road until they all pass, and in the meantime cause a queue of traffic behind you, as a result of them all trying to do the same thing? ;)

Marco.

[awkwardbydesign]

SHIFT OVER and let other folk onto the motorway, too!!

What are you supposed to do, sit and wait at the end of slip road until they all pass, and in the meantime cause a queue of traffic behind you, as a result of them all trying to do the same thing? ;)

Marco.
YES! That's why there is a give way line!
Actually, I've just realised you're just joking about all this. God, I'm slow. :doh:

[awkwardbydesign]

Truckers are f***ers and so are black cab drivers and white van man and old people who do 16 mph and so are teenagers on 50cc scooters and women drivers who stop at clear junctions and roundabouts and wait until they've 'given way' to somebody and bus drivers and........................
That's my boy! :steam:
I got stopped years ago, by a couple of cops who "gave way" at a roundabout, while I realised there was no need and went on. They pulled me over and tried to get me to admit I'd been speeding earlier (I wasn't) and went over the car trying to find some fault for which they could do me. Nothing. Muppets, embarrassed to be made to look foolish.

[Macca]

That's my boy! :steam:
I got stopped years ago, by a couple of cops who "gave way" at a roundabout, while I realised there was no need and went on. They pulled me over and tried to get me to admit I'd been speeding earlier (I wasn't) and went over the car trying to find some fault for which they could do me. Nothing. Muppets, embarrassed to be made to look foolish.

Traffic cops have made the single biggest contribution to reducing the status of the police in the eyes of the normal law-abiding person. I don't know what the situation is nowadays but I know in the 'Eighties the traffic division was looked down on by the rest of the Force as not being 'proper' coppers at all.

[Clive]

Nothing, for reasons discussed. However if the slip road is short, as it is exiting from some service stations, you have no other option but to sit and wait.
If there's a hard shoulder it would be safer to continue onto that. Being stationery around fast moving traffic is not great.

[walpurgis]

If there's a hard shoulder it would be safer to continue onto that.

Well that would get you nicked. Unless you could prove emergency circumstances.

[Clive]

Well that would get you nicked. Unless you could prove emergency circumstances.
I'd rather argue the point than be dead. Stopping unnecessarily on a motorway - a sliproad is motorway - is a very dangerous thing to do. I would argue by stopping you create an emergency situation.

[awkwardbydesign]

If there's a hard shoulder it would be safer to continue onto that. Being stationery around fast moving traffic is not great.
But the traffic behind you on a services sliproad shouldn't be moving fast. Unless it's Marco, of course!
I once got out of our camper van when a truck got jammed in a tunnel in Italy, and walked forward towards the tunnel to have a look. Other people were picnicking on the hard shoulder, playing football, etc. We were in the middle lane, BTW. Then the jam started to clear, backwards from the tunnel, and I realised I had got too far ahead. I had to race back to the van while the traffic movement got further and further back towards my wife sat in our little middle lane roadblock. I got back and jumped in just before all the traffic hurtled out of the tunnel just behind us! God, that was close! Won't be doing that again. :eek:

[Clive]

But the traffic behind you on a services sliproad shouldn't be moving fast. Unless it's Marco, of course!


The danger is in being hit by a vehicle wandering over the white line from lane one. Matching your speed to lane one vehicles reduces the chance of this .... or at least doing say 40mph. In millions of miles of driving I've only felt the need to do this once. Then again traffic on the slip road could or even should be doing 50 to 70 as it will be trying to match its speed to lane one traffic.

[awkwardbydesign]

I'd rather argue the point than be dead. Stopping unnecessarily on a motorway - a sliproad is motorway - is a very dangerous thing to do. I would argue by stopping you create an emergency situation.
Why do you think there is a give way line at the end of the slip road? For giving way, which can mean stopping if necessary. Impatient and unobservant drivers create the emergency situation, NOT drivers stopping WHEN NECESSARY. Which it would be if there is a row of trucks.
I sometimes have to join the M6 from the M5, and often have to stop to wait for a gap. Unfortunately, people get a (wrong) idea into their heads and it's almost impossible to get it out! Practice doesn't make perfect; it makes permanent.
Which brings me to another pet hate (I seem to have lots of pets!); headlight flashing. It is NOT an invitation, or a thank you, it's a warning. I get flashed in the dark in our village after letting someone through the narrows. Great, now I'm blind for several seconds! And if it is used as an invitation to go ahead, was it meant for you (I had a Royal Mail van shoot out off the pavement when a car flashed. I thought he meant me, the van driver thought he meant him and didn't look round, nearly hitting me. Or the driver on the main road who flashed as one of my pupils was waiting to pull out of a junction. Luckily she was a bit slow, as the van driver didn't slow at all as he passed!), have they checked it is safe for you to go, and so on. If you do it on your driving test you WILL fail! Which reminds me of the girl on her test who flashed, beeped her horn, and waved when she saw her mum. Guess if she passed or failed!
Considering how many things I hate, perhaps I shouldn't go out at all. :(

[awkwardbydesign]

The danger is in being hit by a vehicle wandering over the white line from lane one. Matching your speed to lane one vehicles reduces the chance of this .... or at least doing say 40mph. In millions of miles of driving I've only felt the need to do this once. Then again traffic on the slip road could or even should be doing 50 to 70 as it will be trying to match its speed to lane one traffic.
Not if there is a solid line of trucks! And I would say there is more often danger from wandering vehicles when you are doing the same speed.

[Macca]

People who park on a busy road who have no qualms about walking round into the road and opening the door as wide as it will go to get in oblivious to all the traffic that is forced to swerve around them. And taking their sweet time about it as well. One day I will see this happen and someone will hit them and take their door off and probably them with it. What is wrong with waiting a minute for a break in the traffic?

[Clive]

The M5 / M6 junction usually involves small speed differentials and yes there's often a queue. I wouldn't advocate taking to the hard shoulder in that type of situation. It's high speed differentials which kill.

[Clive]

I've just checked the highway code. We mustn't cross solid white lines or stop on a slip road unless there's an emergency. So it seems taking to the slip road or stopping on the slip road are both wrong. There's no advice about what to do if you can't join lane one.

[walpurgis]

People who park on a busy road who have no qualms about walking round into the road and opening the door as wide as it will go to get in oblivious to all the traffic that is forced to swerve around them. And taking their sweet time about it as well. One day I will see this happen and someone will hit them and take their door off and probably them with it. What is wrong with waiting a minute for a break in the traffic?

Happens all the time around here. And you just get abuse if you toot them. I pass close and scare them when I can, not my fault they get in the way (yes I know technically that's illegal).

[Macca]

. There's no advice about what to do if you can't join lane one.

Not even 'Don't Panic!' written in large, friendly letters? Poor show. ;)

[Andrei]

People who park on a busy road who have no qualms about walking round into the road and opening the door as wide as it will go to get in oblivious to all the traffic that is forced to swerve around them. And taking their sweet time about it as well. One day I will see this happen and someone will hit them and take their door off and probably them with it. What is wrong with waiting a minute for a break in the traffic?
I have long since decided that this sort of person who treats their life as if it was worthless ... is in fact worthless. Simply stupidity of the first water. As a parent it is simply a rule for my kids that no matter how many are getting into the back seat they may only ever do that from the door that faces the pavement. And don't get me started on the screaming jeebies it gives me on my pushbike! As I read somewhere else on this forum: 'Cometh the revolution; they will be first to the wall'.

[Macca]

I have long since decided that this sort of person who treats their life as if it was worthless ... is in fact worthless. Simply stupidity of the first water. As a parent it is simply a rule for my kids that no matter how many are getting into the back seat they may only ever do that from the door that faces the pavement. And don't get me started on the screaming jeebies it gives me on my pushbike! As I read somewhere else on this forum: 'Cometh the revolution; they will be first to the wall'.

My father was always fond of pointing out that in a factory if you had a piece of heavy, fast moving machinery it would be surrounded by guard rails, yellow and black striped warning tape and safety notices. But you can stand right on or cross a busy road with dozens of such machines hurtling past and there are no safety barriers or warnings whatsoever. And because there are none some people just assume that it must be totally safe. You can see the same thing sometimes on mountains with people taking the most ridiculous chances. Although I can't talk having done some crazy Bear Grylls style free climbing in the past.

[awkwardbydesign]

I've just checked the highway code. We mustn't cross solid white lines or stop on a slip road unless there's an emergency. So it seems taking to the slip road or stopping on the slip road are both wrong. There's no advice about what to do if you can't join lane one.
I think you'll find that "give way line" covers that. And "not stopping" means stopping to park, pick up hitch-hikers, etc. I mean, you are not allowed to stop on the zig-zgs at a crossing. That doesn't mean go though a red light or run over pedestrians!

[Clive]

I think you'll find that "give way line" covers that. And "not stopping" means stopping to park, pick up hitch-hikers, etc. I mean, you are not allowed to stop on the zig-zgs at a crossing. That doesn't mean go though a red light or run over pedestrians!

It seems not. It's expected that drivers leave gaps. It's expected that on the slip road you modulate your speed such that you slip into a gap. In theory there should never be an issue. In truth there rarely is as long as you're not a hesitant driver. Motorway give way lines do not mean you can stop...they mean vehicles on the motorway have priority. You're not allowed to stop on a slip road except in an emergency or if it's regulated by traffic lights.

[Clive]

From the Highway Code


You MUST NOT stop on the carriageway, hard shoulder, slip road, central reservation or verge except in an emergency, or when told to do so by the police, an emergency sign or by flashing red light signals.


Btw stopping on zig zags is equivalent to red light signals above.

[walpurgis]

Pet Hates? How about my scumbag 'locals'. One such git was crouching in the road between two cars about twenty five yards from my house having a shit the day before yesterday. Charming!! We've got it on video, shame I wasn't quick enough to catch him. He'd have got a seeing to. :steam:

[Marco]

Dirty bastard… I’d have scooped it up and shoved it though his letterbox (while it was still hot)!!

Marco.

[Paul Lange]

From the last 20 odd posts it seems Jeremy Clarkson and 5 of his clones are members. :lol:

I have to admit I too hate drivers who drive down the slip lane and make no attempt to match the speed of the traffic they are trying to merge with. Not only are they a PITA if your behind them but the same if you are driving down the main road in the left-hand lane minding your own business when the idiot decides to have a game of Peek-A-Boo with you.

However, I also think the same of drivers who insist that they have to close the gap with the vehicle in front. You go down the slip road, match your speed, go to slip into the gap and then some idiot in lane one decides that he is going to close it off because he NEEDS to be up the arse of the car in front.

[Puffin]

The amount of drivers today who don't indicate and don't appear to know the ' rules ' of negotiating a roundabout is scary .
I've been driving for 40 years and as soon as I can ( retirement ) I'll be using my bus pass . I'll only be driving when it's absolutely necessary :)

Won't indicate as they are too arrogant! And, the people who stop at roundabouts for "phantom" cars that are not there. Which bit of "give way to CARS/VEHICLES ON the roundabout" don't they understand. Twats.

[walpurgis]

And, the people who stop at roundabouts for "phantom" cars that are not there.

Yes, that really gets me. Submissive characters who just don't feel right unless they've waited for somebody to 'give way' to. Amazing! :rolleyes:

[Macca]

Maybe they have had a crash at a roundabout in the past and are just a bit over-cautious now?

[Puffin]

Maybe they have had a crash at a roundabout in the past and are just a bit over-cautious now?

Yea, then they get someone smack them up the arse!

[Macca]

I recall without fondness an ex-girlfriends Fiesta Super Sport that had a nasty habit of stalling when entering one of the largest and busiest roundabouts on the A500 in Stoke on Trent. Don't look for it, it's not there anymore. They replaced it with an underpass and a 4 way junction above. Drivers would enter that roundabout as though they were competing in the Indy 500, even the artics. Some hair raising moments stuck there with a wall of trucks and cars bearing down on us.

[Stratmangler]

Yea, then they get someone smack them up the arse!

Been there, done that a long time ago.
Smacked someone up the arse, that is.
I wouldn't mind but the stupid fucker set off and then decided that the gap wasn't big enough ....
My attention had shifted from the car in front to what was on the roundabout, and having seen the car in front pull away ....

Nobody was hurt, and a couple of cars got bent a little bit :whistle:

[Pierre De Grenoble]

Been there, done that a long time ago.
Smacked someone up the arse, that is.
I wouldn't mind but the stupid fucker set off and then decided that the gap wasn't big enough ....
My attention had shifted from the car in front to what was on the roundabout, and having seen the car in front pull away ....

Nobody was hurt, and a couple of cars got bent a little bit :whistle:

been there dun that and of course its your freakin fault cos you hit them even when they've crossed the give way line....

[The Barbarian]

another post deleted..

[Puffin]

what, by a speeding car:D

[Marco]

Folk who can’t go anywhere without something plugged into their ears, or their eyes glued to their fooking mobile phones! :doh: :rolleyes:

Marco.

[southall-1998]

People with staring problems!

S.

[struth]

Folk who can’t go anywhere without something plugged into their ears, or their eyes glued to their fooking mobile phones! :doh: :rolleyes:

Marco.

women you mean:lol:




...and people who cold call on my doorstep even though there are signs telling them not to; including the religious ones....Do they think I am going to buy from someone that ignores a pretty standard request and wakes the wife up :steam:

[Marco]

women you mean:lol:


Lol - not necessarily… The worst offenders, in my experience, (although they are far from being alone in that respect), are teenagers and the the sub-30 year-old brigade, seemingly for whom living life is impossible without having a mobile phone and/or some portable music device strapped to them 24/7.

I wouldn’t mind, but when the idiots walk right out in front of your car onto the road, completely oblivious of your presence, simply because they’re miles away in their own little la-la-land, it’s not only stupid but also rather dangerous!

Somewhat worryingly, we’re breeding a nation of zombies, who are seemingly increasingly unable/unwilling to engage with their immediate environment without being subjected to the stimulus of some form of electronic device….

Marco.

[Puffin]

It also seems that the "head down" stance afflicts them even when they are not staring at their hand. If you don't look where you are going it's no wonder that you get shoulder barged when walking into me. The look on their faces is priceless.

[Macca]

The iPod is no worse than the old casette walkman for sensory deprivation and a fair few people got run over due to using them but the bloody smartphones have taken it all to a new level. Recently I was a passenger in a car travelling down the on ramp onto a busy dual carriageway. The car in front of us on the ramp was doing about 25 miles an hour and weaving about. As we passed it I looked across to see what was going on and both passenger and driver were engrossed in looking at some video clip on the passenger's phone. Death is too good for these people.

[walpurgis]

Stretch limos.

There are loads of the monstrous things around here. Why? They're ugly, overweight, and grotesque. Suitable only for people with the tackiest of tastes who think they're 'cool'. Some are so long they can't negotiate tightish corners and spend ten minutes see-sawing back and forth trying to turn. There's a Hummer derived one in the area that occupies as much road as a full sized articulated lorry. Pathetic!!

What's wrong with using a minibus?

[struth]

Good one Geoff. There's a few of those around here too. Ghastly things. All show, no go.

[walpurgis]

Good one Geoff. There's a few of those around here too. Ghastly things. All show, no go.

I always think of them as 'Essex Girl's Wedding Car'.

[southall-1998]

Over friendly supermarket till workers.

I just come in and pay for my flaming food, not chatting about it!!!

S.

[Ninanina]

My Pet Hate is people telling everyone that they have given to charity or a 'good cause'.. rather then remaining anonymous....

[The Barbarian]

People with bad breath. Im not kidding a guy that served me in a shop the other day nearly syringed my eye lashes it was that bad..

:spew: I mean what is it with people no one ever go to the dentist anymore, too much trouble to brush your toosie pegs? what is it.

[Andrei]

Over friendly supermarket till workers.

I just come in and pay for my flaming food, not chatting about it!!!

S.
Do they want your body?

[Marco]

So-called ‘objectivists’, on hi-fi forums (fuelled by a selfish desire to ram home their supposed ‘correctness'), belligerently insisting on bringing blind-testing into audio discussions that, quite clearly, contain a subject matter that is entirely of a subjectivist nature, i.e. where there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ - only personal preference.

Marco.

[Macca]

Talking about DAC bake-offs by any chance, Marco? ;)

Got to admire Steve's patience with that one.

[Marco]

You got it in one, mate. I’d have told them to fuck off by now, and go and blind test their backsides!

Honestly, you wonder if some of these pedantic geeks actually have a life and understand the concept of having FUN, or if their miserable existence revolves around incessantly fighting with folk on Internet forums and engaging in pointless circular arguments? :doh:

Marco.

[walpurgis]

People who eat fast food in their cars and toss the wrappers out of the window. Happens a lot near my place. Scumbags around here!

(I hate people who dump any kind of rubbish)

[Barry]

People who eat fast food in their cars and toss the wrappers out of the window. Happens a lot near my place. Scumbags around here!

(I hate people who dump any kind of rubbish)

Me too! :steam: We seem to have no pride in our country anymore.

[struth]

+2 on that....disgusting behaviour, and it should be clamped down on more. after all we have enough cctv, we should be able to catch convict and execute them pretty much on the spot now.......or we will when I become supreme leader:eyebrows:

[Marco]

I’ve said it before… Find out where the scumbags live, and then dump all the shite they’ve thrown on the street, onto the centre of their lawns (or through their letterboxes)! Then, they might think twice before doing it next time. Simples :)

Marco.

[The Barbarian]

I hate Supermarkets in general but the issue is people in there that just saunter about blocking my way. Get out the road for heavens sake will ya.

[walpurgis]

I hate Supermarkets in general but the issue is people in there that just saunter about blocking my way. Get out the road for heavens sake will ya.

Yes, I know what you mean. I have had 'issues' with people wheeling trolleys into my way and me firmly wheeling them back where they came from, with the trolley user still attached. Same with shopping baskets swung into in my way, I just bash them out of the way. I sent one bloke back about six feet hanging onto his trolley, after he completely blocked my way. He followed me about ranting until I told him what would happen if he didn't shut his trap! :steam:

[Roy S]

Yes, I know what you mean. I have had 'issues' with people wheeling trolleys into my way and me firmly wheeling them back where they came from, with the trolley user still attached. Same with shopping baskets swung into in my way, I just bash them out of the way. I sent one bloke back about six feet hanging onto his trolley, after he completely blocked my way. He followed me about ranting until I told him what would happen if he didn't shut his trap! :steam:

Why I get my shopping delivered these days ;)

[Barry]

Yes, I know what you mean. I have had 'issues' with people wheeling trolleys into my way and me firmly wheeling them back where they came from, with the trolley user still attached. Same with shopping baskets swung into in my way, I just bash them out of the way. I sent one bloke back about six feet hanging onto his trolley, after he completely blocked my way. He followed me about ranting until I told him what would happen if he didn't shut his trap! :steam:

:eek: Good job I don't shop where you do! :lol:

[The Barbarian]

& when you decide to take a diversion down the next isle to be confronted with just the same issue

:steam:

[Barry]

& when you decide to take a diversion down the next isle to be confronted with just the same issue

:steam:

:lol:

[walpurgis]

:eek: Good job I don't shop where you do! :lol:

Probably as well. ;)

[The Barbarian]

Its like The Supermarket scene from the 70's Stepford Wives movies but hundreds of em

:eek:

[struth]

I usually find an attractive gal and just follow her legs around the shop:eyebrows:

[Marco]

Why I get my shopping delivered these days ;)

There’s a better answer: don’t use supermarkets, period…

Not enough folk these days support local independent shops or farmer’s markets. No wonder so many traditional town centres look like graveyards, as folk flock to out of town retail parks and shop online (usually out of sheer laziness)!

Marco.

[walpurgis]

People who wander about whistling tunes annoy me. I don't really know why, it's harmless enough, but I find it irritating.

[struth]

oh dear:doh:

[Marco]

People who wander about whistling tunes annoy me. I don't really know why, it's harmless enough, but I find it irritating.

Yeah, those happy bastards are a right pain in the arse! :D

Marco.

[walpurgis]

Yeah, those happy bastards are a right pain in the arse! :D

Marco.

Damn right! Happiness is taken far too seriously these days. ;)

[stairpost]

Half the people that ring to talk to their home insurance company, rude and ignorant people that I am confident wouldn't conduct themselves so atrociously if they weren't on the end of a phone.

[walpurgis]

Do you work for such a company?

I try to be patient when dealing with various business phone conversations. My car insurer Aviva is excellent to deal with, very helpful and friendly.

Mind you, I did get a bit hot under the collar with Argos today. The dimwits delivered a bookcase I was waiting for to the wrong address, which their courier then couldn't relocate and Argos had the cheek to say I'd have to wait for their 'investigation'. Not my problem. Theirs. After a lot of insisting and no backing down on my part, they gave in and another is coming Thursday. Mail order? Lots of aggro if you ask me. (mind you, I wasn't rude)

(and I'm still waiting for another supplier to send replacement parts for a flatpack oak sideboard that arrived totally wrecked. What a bollox!)

[Marco]

The answer: avoid online mail-order companies, shift off thy botty and use proper shops, located in town centres, where you can moan directly at someone if there are any problems - and generally receive better service. Simples :)

;)

Marco (who more often than not, when shopping, insists on doing business face-to-face with a real person).

[stairpost]

Do you work for such a company?

I try to be patient when dealing with various business phone conversations. My car insurer Aviva is excellent to deal with, very helpful and friendly.

Mind you, I did get a bit hot under the collar with Argos today. The dimwits delivered a bookcase I was waiting for to the wrong address, which their courier then couldn't relocate and Argos had the cheek to say I'd have to wait for their 'investigation'. Not my problem. Theirs. After a lot of insisting and no backing down on my part, they gave in and another is coming Thursday. Mail order? Lots of aggro if you ask me. (mind you, I wasn't rude)

(and I'm still waiting for another supplier to send replacement parts for a flatpack oak sideboard that arrived totally wrecked. What a bollox!)

I do, luckily half the people I talk to are really nice, but the other half are incredibly rude and expect something for nothing.

I fully sympathise with your frustration, if a service is offered, when paid for it should be delivered without issue or cause for complaint.

[Macca]

I do, luckily half the people I talk to are really nice, but the other half are incredibly rude and expect something for nothing.

.

I have a zero tolerance for those pricks, I just hang up on them. Some folk try to reason with them because they are afraid they will get in trouble for hanging up. Bollocks to that. I'd rather walk from the job than pander to some knobend acting all brave down the end of the phone.

[walpurgis]

The answer: avoid online mail-order companies.

Unfortunately Marco, the only furniture I could find that met my needs size wise, was offered online. If I could buy what I wanted locally at a sensible price, I would. I daresay most of us find ourselves in that situation these days.

[Marco]

Sure, Geoff, I get that - and was really just pulling your leg! ;)

However, it’s amazing what you can find when you’re ‘out and about’, and actively looking, rather than just parked behind a computer.

I do think a lot of us, when shopping, are guilty these days of simply switching on our computers and clicking a mouse, instead of getting off our backsides and discovering what’s out there in the real world, which when done, can often be rather enlightening :)

Marco.

[struth]

Not where i live tbh Marco. The council put the rates up so high that only the bargain and charity shops remain. a couple of butchers and a bakers. Damn shame as it used to be an excellent town centre. Marks & Spencer wanted to come to the town years ago but the powers of the day who were made up of resident shop owners refused them entry. It was a stupid decision and very blinkered with what they thought was self preservation. M and S went elsewhere and all the punters started shopping in that area boosting all the local shops as well. Our town centre collapsed and most of the shops closed forever

[Marco]

Sadly, Grant, that seems to be the case in a lot of places. I must be fortunate that in Wrexham (and its environs) there’s almost everything you could wish for, including the stuff you’ve just mentioned.

However, the question I’d ask is how insular have we become in the days of the computer age? I mean, most of us these days have cars, so if what we want isn’t available right on our own doorstep, then why not drive to the next town where it might be?

For example, I’ll happily drive 40-odd miles to Liverpool and back (and indeed have done so many times) if what I want is available there, and not locally, ditto with Chester or even Manchester or Birmingham… Think of how many times we’ve all done something similar in the past, before computers dictated our lives.

Therefore, my main question is: has the age of computer shopping made us all a bunch of lazy couch potatoes??

Marco.

[struth]

I think economics has done that along with many folks work and family commitments Marco. I know my daughter and husband both work her 3 days him 6. They like to spend as much time with them as they can and young kids dont shop well. Financially it is often cheaper too to do it on the net.
I agree that it has increased the problem but thats the way it goes now..
Much prefer to go to a shop personally wben i can and often do as i can shop during the week daytime when parking is easier and the shops arnt too busy. most folk dont have that luxury though

[Marco]

I think economics has done that along with many folks work and family commitments Marco. I know my daughter and husband both work her 3 days him 6. They like to spend as much time with them as they can and young kids dont shop well. Financially it is often cheaper too to do it on the net.
I agree that it has increased the problem but thats the way it goes now..


Sure, I get that. The subject probably deserves a thread of its own, and I have strong views on the matter.

However, the state of affairs you describe may also explain why so many towns these days are like ghost towns (and don’t have what you want in them), save a few take-away restaurants and charity shops. If more folk shopped in town centres than on the Internet, chances are they’d be more high-street shops. It’s a fairly logical assumption.

As they say, you reap what you sow….. By creating it, we’ve become victims of a ‘convenience culture’, and thus have made that 'the norm'.


Much prefer to go to a shop personally wben i can and often do as i can shop during the week daytime when parking is easier and the shops arnt too busy. most folk dont have that luxury though

Indeed, but sometimes it’s worth making time for things that could genuinely improve our quality of life. These days, we’re too busy running around like headless chickens ‘doing stuff’ that, in the grand scheme of things, isn’t really that important. I think it’s time for us to ‘get a grip’, before it’s all too late.

Marco.

[Andrei]

As they say, you reap what you sow…..
Marco.
Back in my day it used to be: 'you wear what you sew'
PS for once I am not being irreverent - my mother made most of my clothes. (My father died when I was six as a result of latent injuries suffered from German captors in WWII)

[walpurgis]

I’ll happily drive 40-odd miles to Liverpool and back (and indeed have done so many times) if what I want is available there, Marco.

Driving about may be somewhat easier where you are Marco. If I need to travel across any part of the London area, I have to pick my time carefully, as the traffic is appalling most of the day. It can take me 40 minutes to do one mile in the 'rush hour' and the 'rush hour' is 7.30 to 9.30 and later 4.30 to 7.00 around here. Even at the best of times traffic can be pretty thick. I'd love to move elsewhere.

[walpurgis]

Our town centre collapsed and most of the shops closed forever

No doubt the chairman of the planning committee doesn't give a toss. Having had his big fat backhanders. He probably lives out in a nice upmarket rural spot that is totally unaffected by council influence over the town centre.

[Effem]

Driving about may be somewhat easier where you are Marco. If I need to travel across any part of the London area, I have to pick my time carefully, as the traffic is appalling most of the day. It can take me 40 minutes to do one mile in the 'rush hour' and the 'rush hour' is 7.30 to 9.30 and later 4.30 to 7.00 around here. Even at the best of times traffic can be pretty thick. I'd love to move elsewhere.

Going to give me nightmares now thinking about how I used to spend countless hours stuck in London's traffic jams. Down here when we get 3 cars in a row the sky falls in :lol:

[Marco]

No doubt the chairman of the planning committee doesn't give a toss. Having had his big fat backhanders. He probably lives out in a nice upmarket rural spot that is totally unaffected by council influence over the town centre.


Indeed, Geoff. And yet they say ‘it’s grim up north’? ;)

I’ve always said that unless I were a millionaire, I wouldn’t want to live in London. For everyone else who lives there, it’s an existence, not a life.

Marco.

[struth]

lived in London for a year one day.... Never again. even if i had a rather large wedge it would be the last place id go followed by all the other huge conerbations(is that how you spell it). I like some calmness and always did. just a country boy :)

[awkwardbydesign]

Back in my day it used to be: 'you wear what you sew'

We still do. Or sometimes buy clothes that are cheap and don't fit, and alter them to fit. 99p jackets, trousers, etc from the local charity shop. All my money goes on cables! (Actually I make most of them, too)

[struth]

my mate gets all his clothes at charity shops...he is a small size and gets lots of choice. gets some fantastic gear for a few quid. alas they never have anything wearable for me

[walpurgis]

We still do. Or sometimes buy clothes that are cheap and don't fit, and alter them to fit. 99p jackets, trousers, etc from the local charity shop. All my money goes on cables! (Actually I make most of them, too)

Some might think 'tight git', but I wouldn't suggest a thing like that. :D

[walpurgis]

And yet they say ‘it’s grim up north’? ;) Marco.

It can be beautiful "up north". I've been there and to Scotland, there are many lovely places and far less overcrowding.

However, my hankering is to move far south west. Every time I go there (several times a year), I really hate coming back home to 'shithole' London.

[awkwardbydesign]

Some might think 'tight git', but I wouldn't suggest a thing like that. :D
In fact, they are usually too loose. :ner:

[Marco]

However, my hankering is to move far south west. Every time I go there (several times a year), I really hate coming back home to 'shithole' London.

Quite right, and for the sake of your well-being, you should do it.

The key is to escape from the overcrowding and being part of the ‘rat race’. Life’s too short for that pish! Sometimes, it’s better to lead a simpler life (with less material possessions and general ‘complication'), and have less money, than the opposite. We all want too much ’stuff' these days… :rolleyes:

For me, TIME (the ability to do what I want, when I want) will always be much more important than any amount of money (or possessions), if having lots of money (and possessions) means living a continually pressurised existence. Fook that! :nono:

Marco.

[stairpost]

I have a zero tolerance for those pricks, I just hang up on them. Some folk try to reason with them because they are afraid they will get in trouble for hanging up. Bollocks to that. I'd rather walk from the job than pander to some knobend acting all brave down the end of the phone.

That's admirable, good on you.

I don't like it and think it's unwarranted, but I just stay calm and incredibly polite and it seems to take the wind out of their sails, I am reaching all new levels of enlightenment putting up with these arseholes :)

[southall-1998]

I can't stand the word ''Bruh'' which is mainly used by some idiots.

S.

[southall-1998]

I can't stand it when people say ''congrats'' on a persons hifi equipment.

FFS, its a machine, not a human being you muppets!!!

S.

[The Barbarian]

People that use Interconnect cables as Tone Controls

:lol:

[struth]

I can't stand it when people say ''congrats'' on a persons hifi equipment.

FFS, its a machine, not a human being you muppets!!!

S.

Have you never heard of silicon heaven? .....and I don't mean being stuck in a crowded lift with Bridget Neilson:eyebrows:

[Alan D]

It can be beautiful "up north". I've been there and to Scotland, there are many lovely places and far less overcrowding.

However, my hankering is to move far south west. Every time I go there (several times a year), I really hate coming back home to 'shithole' London.

We moved to Cornwall 8 years ago. Gone are the days of driving in and out of London and the UK motorways. Now when I get stuck in a traffic jam in Truro, it is only about 20 cars:) Make the move as soon as it is possible you won't regret it.

[Ninanina]

It can be beautiful "up north". I've been there and to Scotland, there are many lovely places and far less overcrowding.

However, my hankering is to move far south west. Every time I go there (several times a year), I really hate coming back home to 'shithole' London.

Geoff you MUST move out of London as it's a rat race... we moved from Luton and Stevenage to Portsmouth (ok not as far south west as you may like!) and have never looked back...

If we are at a loose end we always drive the 5 minutes to the coast and have a coffee on the seafront, overlooking the Isle of Wight.. :D

I have no idea what we used to do when we lived in Luton/Stevenage... apart from doing a lot of travelling to Southsea/Portsmouth where are boat was ...

We have friends who live in Cornwall, they own a nice campsite, but I wouldn't move that far south west as the roads are rubbish and it's just far too busy in the season... so I'd suggest somewhere like Weymouth, or thereabouts... We consider Weymouth our 'second home' as we spend so much time there, and the roads are pretty good, especially compared to Cornwall roads

The other thing I love about Weymouth, apart from it being VERY pretty, is my favourite seafood restaurant::: the 'Crab House Cafe'... they have the BEST oysters from their farm on the Fleet... yummy...

Don't wait Geoff you must move south west ' ish ... you won't regret it :D

[loo]

It can be beautiful "up north". I've been there and to Scotland, there are many lovely places and far less overcrowding.

However, my hankering is to move far south west. Every time I go there (several times a year), I really hate coming back home to 'shithole' London.

I'm completely the other way I get withdrawal if I'm away from London for too long, certainly wouldn't want to bring my Kids
up anywhere else in the UK
:cool:

[southall-1998]

Each to their own!

S.

[awkwardbydesign]

I'm completely the other way I get withdrawal if I'm away from London
:cool:

When we lived in London we had a car like that. The further we drove away the worse it ran, and it would recover as we returned! Weird.
But we moved to Anglesey (3 years; no work and racist Welsh neighbours), then Manchester (29 years there, couldn't get away; stuck with being a City supporter now. :doh:), now in Plymouth for the last 8 years. We wouldn't go back to any of the other places, even though we are/were Londoners.

[southall-1998]

I hate it when some people ask ''Does it come from a smoke free home''

Fuck off! :steam:

S.

[awkwardbydesign]

I hate it when some people ask ''Does it come from a smoke free home''

Fuck off! :steam:

S.

You might ask the same if you had ever bought an item that stinks and is covered in sticky yellow gunk. Or are you a smoker?

[Ninanina]

You might ask the same if you had ever bought an item that stinks and is covered in sticky yellow gunk

+1...... horrible..

[Marco]

+2 :spew: :spew:

Marco.

[struth]

+1...... horrible..

yes, chips are ruined with curry sauce over 'em :eyebrows:

[The Barbarian]

Audio Forums in which The Barbarian will never ever be returning to in the New Year.

[Barry]

:lol: Happy Christmas André. :eyebrows:

[The Barbarian]

Likewise but honestly my days on forum are well and truly done as is this hobby with me

[Ninanina]

Likewise but honestly my days on forum are well and truly done as is this hobby with me

Why is that Andre ?

[Roy S]

Keith Lemon :rolleyes: c**t

[Barry]

Keith Lemon :rolleyes: c**t

Who is Keith lemon?

[Roy S]

Who is Keith lemon?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/85/Keithlemon.jpg/250px-Keithlemon.jpg

'Comedian' Leigh Francis alter ego. Used to do bo selecta which I didn't get. Seems to grace our screens with monotonous regularity these days, just can't see why he's funny?

[walpurgis]

Who is Keith lemon?

Some annoying prick off the box who could do with a good punch. I despise him, but not quite as much as Russell Brand who I'd have strung up.

[walpurgis]

just can't see why he's funny?

I'm not sure anyone has accused him of being funny.

[struth]

Some annoying prick off the box who could do with a good punch. I despise him, but not quite as much as Russell Brand who I'd have strung up.

OH AYE; Russell Brand :steam: Hanging is too good for him;)

[struth]

apps that work well being screwed up....ggrrrr. thats tapatalk buggered now...you now cannot browse the forum now..total shite

[walpurgis]

Stupid people.

I've been scanning eBay for a universal compact camera case. You'd think it would occur to even the slowest, halfwit intellect, that maybe including the internal and external dimensions of a 'universal' fit product, might be sensible. But no, there are loads listed with no sizes quoted. I expect they sell them to similarly stupid buyers. :rolleyes:

[The Barbarian]

people that lie about record grading

[struth]

Stupid people.

I've been scanning eBay for a universal compact camera case. You'd think it would occur to even the slowest, halfwit intellect, that maybe including the internal and external dimensions of a 'universal' fit product, might be sensible. But no, there are loads listed with no sizes quoted. I expect they sell them to similarly stupid buyers. :rolleyes:

I got a lowepro one....it is about the normal size....you know ;)

[Andrei]

Internet Warriors - full of bravado.
Internet Snipers, while I'm at it - people who insert their put-downs (eg against believers or whatever) into their posts where it is not germane.

[southall-1998]

Flamboyant individuals who act arrogantly towards decent living people. What utter shits the lot of them really are!!

I simply view these types as idiots, and I'll always treat them that way!

Show me a person who is ''down to earth'', they will always gain my respect.

S.

[struth]

Flamboyant individuals who act arrogantly towards decent living people. What utter shits the lot of them really are!!

I simply view these types as idiots, and I'll always treat them that way!

Show me a person who is ''down to earth'', they will always gain my respect.

S.

Oooo, that's a goodie...I'll second that one :)

[Marco]

people that lie about record grading

:lolsign:

I know - bastids!

Marco.

[prestonchipfryer]

Stupid people.

I've been scanning eBay for a universal compact camera case. You'd think it would occur to even the slowest, halfwit intellect, that maybe including the internal and external dimensions of a 'universal' fit product, might be sensible. But no, there are loads listed with no sizes quoted. I expect they sell them to similarly stupid buyers. :rolleyes:


Well I've just ordered one of these for a TZ 60. Reasonable price I thought.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00IMGK9VY/ref=pe_385721_51767431_TE_dp_1

[CageyH]

My pet hates loud noises.

[walpurgis]

Well I've just ordered one of these for a TZ 60. Reasonable price I thought.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00IMGK9VY/ref=pe_385721_51767431_TE_dp_1

Funny thing is John, I had a poke through my (mountains of) photographic gear and found an ideal fabric case. That was a bit of luck. I may still get a posh leather one though.

[Anthony K]

People voicing strong opinions on Hi-Fi accessories ( mains , IC's and tweaks ) without having the common decency to try them first

[walpurgis]

People voicing strong opinions on Hi-Fi accessories ( mains , IC's and tweaks ) without having the common decency to try them first

Yes, I like that. :)

[The Barbarian]

2" of snow & the place is in turmoil at least were i live, can't believe the Bus was off this morning because of it. Walking to work at 4:20am in the snow aint my idea of fun especially when a fast moving snow plough just about burried me in slush on route.

:steam:

[The Barbarian]

Back on track:

People that browse the internet & especially forums via their mobile phones

[Marco]

:lolsign:

Indeed - that’s what a proper computer is for!

Marco.

[The Barbarian]

Bad enough sending a text instead of physically speaking to someone

[The Barbarian]

I was in a certain Charity shop up Sheffield yesterday afternoon where i stumbled on a box of what looked to be New Old stock of Pan & Corgi paperbacks from the 1960's imagine my excitement..Condition was immaculate. What had they done, stuck 25p price stickers around a 1 1/2" square on the front of everyone, i tried removing two to find that they would not come off without leaving the backing of the price sticker or at least pulling the cover printing off. There was around 40 of them totally destroyed by some idiot. I could not leave the shop without telling them so.

Basically books that have lived in pristine condition for over 40 years destroyed single handedly by some brainless fool. Makes my flaming blood boil.

[walpurgis]

If the covers have a gloss finish, you should find brushing a bit of cheap furniture polish just on the sticker will soften the adhesive enough to peel it off. It has to soak in for about half an hour.

[awkwardbydesign]

I was in a certain Charity shop up Sheffield yesterday afternoon where i stumbled on a box of what looked to be New Old stock of Pan & Corgi paperbacks from the 1960's imagine my excitement..Condition was immaculate. What had they done, stuck 25p price stickers around a 1 1/2" square on the front of everyone, i tried removing two to find that they would not come off without leaving the backing of the price sticker or at least pulling the cover printing off. There was around 40 of them totally destroyed by some idiot. I could not leave the shop without telling them so.

Basically books that have lived in pristine condition for over 40 years destroyed single handedly by some brainless fool. Makes my flaming blood boil.

I imagine they expected people to use them, not worship them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31035161
As marking the cover does not "totally destroy" them. :doh:

[Gordon Steadman]

I imagine they expected people to use them, not worship them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31035161
As marking the cover does not "totally destroy" them. :doh:

What, actually read the books:eek:

What are you suggesting?

[struth]

Im with Andre...i hate people puting those price labels on records and books. they should be horsewhipped:D

[Ronksley]

Im with Andre...i hate people puting those price labels on records and books. they should be horsewhipped:D

One charity shop puts a price lable on the cd and the number label
to find it in the folder under the counter thankfully they just put the classical cds in the cases on the shelves these days guess they dont think classical CDs are going to get nicked

[Macca]

One charity shop puts a price lable on the cd and the number label
to find it in the folder under the counter thankfully they just put the classical cds in the cases on the shelves these days guess they dont think classical CDs are going to get nicked

Yeah, guess not many smackheads are into Vaughn Williams and chums....

[The Barbarian]

Seems to be one i missed: people that don't care less about the condition of books & record covers..

[Gordon Steadman]

Seems to be one i missed: people that don't care less about the condition of books & record covers..

I agree but only to a degree. All my books are friends of mine and I look after them. However, because I read them so often, some of them are showing signs of wear. I'm not going to chuck out an old friend just because its looking a bit tatty. I might even tape up the edges and stick stuff together to keep it in readable shape. Same goes for record sleeves. Stuff gets used. That is what they are for, not looking lovely on the shelf.

One of my pet hates is the prats who query why I read the same book more than once:lol:

[The Barbarian]

Where you & i differ. Whether it is 1 year old or 40 years old everything i own is in pristine condition, if it's not i will search high & low & pay what ever it cost to replace.

[struth]

I agree but only to a degree. All my books are friends of mine and I look after them. However, because I read them so often, some of them are showing signs of wear. I'm not going to chuck out an old friend just because its looking a bit tatty. I might even tape up the edges and stick stuff together to keep it in readable shape. Same goes for record sleeves. Stuff gets used. That is what they are for, not looking lovely on the shelf.

One of my pet hates is the prats who query why I read the same book more than once:lol:

I have all mine on e book now. originally i was agin the idea but have to say i was wrong. its a great and tidy way to keep all your books in one space...i read more now too as it is easier for my knackered hands to hold.

[Barry]

If the covers have a gloss finish, you should find brushing a bit of cheap furniture polish just on the sticker will soften the adhesive enough to peel it off. It has to soak in for about half an hour.

That's what I use - "Mr Sheen" (or similar) aerosol furniture polish. Also use the same to remove stickers from (some) LP sleeves and CD cases.

[awkwardbydesign]

People who complain about stickers on 25p books. :lol:
I do care about books' conditions, but not at 25p. Unless pages are missing! As soon as I've read them I usually give them back. You know, to give someone else the chance to read them?

[awkwardbydesign]

One of my pet hates is the prats who query why I read the same book more than once:lol:
Is it cos youse senile? :eyebrows:
I can re-read good books (Titus Groan, The Nightland), and listen to music over and over, but can't really watch films repeatedly. So very few videos here, just a few classics (The 7 Samurai, Born Yesterday, Metropolis, etc).

[Gordon Steadman]

Is it cos youse senile? :eyebrows:


Nah...I've always been the same.

That's not to say I'm not senile of course:)

[The Barbarian]

People who complain about stickers on 25p books. :lol:
I do care about books' conditions, but not at 25p. Unless pages are missing! As soon as I've read them I usually give them back. You know, to give someone else the chance to read them?

It's nothing to do with the cost. I wish you people would stop being so arsey. Its totally about destroying a pristine 40 year old book by sticking a price sticker that cannot be removed without causing damage to the book cover hence destroying it.

[Barry]

I'm with André on this one. Whilst obviously it is the content of the book that matters, I often appreciate the artwork of the book's cover (especially Penguin and Corgi sci-fi books) and to have the covers spoilt by difficult to remove stickers would annoy me.

[Gordon Steadman]

It's nothing to do with the cost. I wish you people would stop being so arsey. Its totally about destroying a pristine 40 year old book by sticking a price sticker that cannot be removed without causing damage to the book cover hence destroying it.
Andre...to you it's destroying it. To me, it is certainly annoying but I would still buy the book if I wanted to read it. Its main purpose is still unaffected. It was made to be read not looked at.

I like my home to look 'lived in' and feel uncomfortable in houses that look like show houses. We are all different and I don't think it's being arsey to express a different view.

[The Barbarian]

That's it some people use paperback books for what they are obviously intended for reading, disregarding. I don't, i buy & collect 60's memorabila. Everything about the book or what ever is so important. I don't go to great cost getting things in as new state for no reason..

[awkwardbydesign]

Andre...to you it's destroying it. To me, it is certainly annoying but I would still buy the book if I wanted to read it. Its main purpose is still unaffected. It was made to be read not looked at.

I like my home to look 'lived in' and feel uncomfortable in houses that look like show houses. We are all different and I don't think it's being arsey to express a different view.
Ditto.

[Gordon Steadman]

That's it some people use paperback books for what they are obviously intended for reading, disregarding. I don't, i buy & collect 60's memorabila. Everything about the book or what ever is so important. I don't go to great cost getting things in as new state for no reason..

I hope your wife wasn't born in the 60's:eyebrows:

[The Barbarian]

Told you she thinks i have a screw loose. However people aint complaining when i sell Records CDee's & Books in mint condition are they, they would soon moan if i took the same attitude as other do.

[awkwardbydesign]

That's it some people use paperback books for what they are obviously intended for reading, disregarding. I don't, i buy & collect 60's memorabila. Everything about the book or what ever is so important. I don't go to great cost getting things in as new state for no reason..
I don't have much money, but even to me 25p isn't "great cost". Should we have a whip-round?:)

[The Barbarian]

Are you having difficulty reading my post's? IVE SAID TWICE NOW IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH COST'

[awkwardbydesign]

BUT YOU SAID GREAT COST. If you don't want your own words picked up on, then be more careful in your choice of them.
Anyway, this should be a bit of fun, so if you're going to start shouting I'll leave you to it.

[The Barbarian]

I said it involves great cos to restore my items not a flaming book

I aint bickering with yew no more cos you are clearly being Awkward. I would appreciate you keep your trap shut in future regarding my posts

[awkwardbydesign]

I said it involves great cos to restore my items not a flaming book

I aint bickering with yew no more cos you are clearly being Awkward. I would appreciate you keep your trap shut in future regarding my posts
It's a forum for discussion.

[Barry]

OK Chaps, this discussion is starting to decend into rancour.

To some the cosmetic condition and appearance of items is important to them, to others it is quite unimportant. Let's leave it at that.

[The Barbarian]

Sorry Barry i aint sticking around to put up with People crap. Be no more posts from me.

[Gazjam]

Oh yes there will... :)

Andre, mate, its discussing with like minded pals (who sometimes disagree?) on an internet forum.
If were in the same room we'd all have a pint and say "What the hey". :)

[Ninanina]

If were in the same room we'd all have a pint and say "What the hey". :)

If I was in the room with a pint I'd say 'Yuck'.. I don't do pints... :lol:

But I get your point...

[Eagle owl]

I'm a car owner but also use my senior citizen bus pass at times. Something that really annoys me is when mothers with pre-school age children let them stand up on the seats. I would never let my Grandchildren do that. :steam:

[awkwardbydesign]

Nose bleeds. Especially in the shower! Blood everywhere, it won't stop cos it's so humid, then needed help to dry and dress myself. Mind you, that had it's compensations. ;)
I am very prone to the damn things, mainly through working with hydrofluoric acid and chalk dust for many years. Now they just start for no obvious reason. :(

[walpurgis]

Nose bleeds.

I haven't had one of those for years. I used to get them quite often, then they just stopped happening.

[Gordon Steadman]

Those stupid bath things for cleaning records, can't remember the name now. The ones that you spin manually in a bath of fluid. I used them ages ago when I was converting all my vinyl to CD.

As I'm having fun playing with five TTs at the mo, I have been dragging out albums that haven't been played for ages. Without exception, they have a uneven sheen on them and sound crappy, as if the stylus is dragging through something unpleasant.

I reckon washing up liquid and a brush would be better.:steam:

[The Barbarian]

Aos Topic search which is useless.

The rigmarole of eating.

Cooking & washing the pots every single day equates up to half a day wasted that i just could do without, not only does it drain my time big style i have little time for things i want to do..

I do it cos a] i don't like the wife cooking & b] i know my crockery will get smashed

[struth]

my wife couldnt cook either. the kids put on weight when i took over:lol:

[Gordon Steadman]

Aos Topic search which is useless.

The rigmarole of eating.

Cooking & washing the pots every single day equates up to half a day wasted that i just could do without, not only does it drain my time big style i have little time for things i want to do..

I do it cos a] i don't like the wife cooking & b] i know my crockery will get smashed

Oh noes.....we disagree:eek:

Food is such delicious stuff that any time spent preparing it is never a waste of time. It starts for us with growing the stuff. We have no dishwasher and, once the meal is digested a bit, actually get to talk to each other some more whilst doing the washing up.

Quality time.:eyebrows:

[The Barbarian]

Don't you go to work then Gordon cos if you do i do not honestly see where you get the time to do anything you want to do!

[The Barbarian]

My day {working days}
4:00am: Up Breckki {leave the pots till i get in cos i don't have the time just now}. Jump in the shower, Dressed..
4:45am: Getting ready to go get my bus

3:00pm: home from work, tidy around, morning pots washed thinking about what's for tea :rolleyes:
4:30pm: Music
5:30pm: getting food ready :rolleyes:
6:30pm: shovel nosh down the neck ASAP
7:00pm: wash pots, get uniform ready for morning, pack up dinner for next day, sit down with the wife for an hour {sometimes i sneak off for a quick listern}
8:30pm: Jump in the shower
9:00pm: in bed an hour watching TV till shut eye.. 6.0 hours kip before it all starts again

If i can squeeze some casual listerning in while im at it i will do.

[Gordon Steadman]

Don't you go to work then Gordon cos if you do i do not honestly see where you get the time to do anything you want to do!

WORK:eek:

Wassat then?

When we did such mundane stuff as having to work for a living, it was exactly the same. In Kingston, we had an allotment and still grew our own fruit and veg. Actually had to buy meat which was a pity.

We both worked full time. Good food doesn't have to take long to prepare. We have never had a TV so music would be on most of the time and serious listening could be done later in the evening. We are one of those strange couples who actually enjoy one another's company, so spending time together sharing the 'boring' stuff is as much fun as the more exciting.

I really like my wife. It makes a whole load of difference to sharing a life together. Neither of us has a particular job to do, whoever is handy or free just gets on with it. We have given up being bugged by being called Tom and Barbara:) but gumboots are the order of the day.

Mind you, as you say, I do wonder how we used to fit it all in AND work. Managed it somehow.

[walpurgis]

The only time anybody gets a proper meal here is when I cook it!

The wife can't even heat baked beans properly. Hopeless. The daughter runs a catering company and even she can't cook properly. Amazing! :rolleyes:

[The Barbarian]

S'wat gets my goat, everything is down to me.

[walpurgis]

S'wat gets my goat, everything is down to me.

That's being a bloke for you.

Most of the women I know are too busy looking in a mirror, shopping for clothes or watching telly to do anything useful.

(I do know the odd exception)

[Gordon Steadman]

That's being a bloke for you.

Most of the women I know are too busy looking in a mirror, shopping for clothes or watching telly to do anything useful.

(I do know the odd exception)

Yikes!!!

You lot really do like women don't you??

Maybe I've just been lucky in my life - well, apart from my first wife and then my business/live in partner and maybe.................

[Marco]

+1. All the women I know are great, especially my wife! :)

Marco.

[struth]

Like everything, you get good and bad and indifferent women. if you get a good one and train them well, and give them a regular re oil, you'll get years of service out of them...;) don't forget to teach them how to do the high dusting :eyebrows:


I can say this now without fear of being murdered :)

[walpurgis]

Like everything, you get good and bad and indifferent women. if you get a good one and train them well, and give them a regular re oil, you'll get years of service out of them...;) don't forget to teach them how to do the high dusting :eyebrows:


I can say this now without fear of being murdered :)


Dusting? My wife would need an explanation of what that means.

[walpurgis]

+1. All the women I know are great, especially my wife! :)

Marco.

You are fortunate Marco.

[struth]

I like teaching. ...But was only really in it for the spankings :eyebrows:

[Marco]

Administering or receiving them? :D

Marco.

[Marco]

You are fortunate Marco.

Indeed, but I've always gotten on well with women. I kind of know what makes them 'tick', and so tend to click with most of them... Could be an Italian thing! ;)

Marco.

[struth]

Administering or receiving them? :D

Marco.

Well, that would be telling :D