Goodbye HiFi Wigwam

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

It is not exactly rocket science to organise a bake-off show, I did one last October in London. The way Wigwam organised it was a complete faf, it worked and was good, but the organisation was over complicated. You just need a card with a couple of grand available on it

It is bloody simple, if you want to do it. Someone has to take the bull by the horns and book the hotel with a credit card as sponsorship - simples! If it is like the Scalford model then it is up to forum concerned to get the rooms pre-booked and paid for and for the other members to attend and the money taken on the gate pays the costs. The card is only taken when you check out, as with all hotel pre-bookings.

Anyway the hotel group that own Scalford (and Whittlebury Hall) are in deep doodoos, and were thinking of closing Scalford.

As I said in a previous post, if anyone wants me to do the London one again this year I will sponsor it again, but the forum(s) must make it work this time as I lost money last year on it (well set the cost against tax).

As for the saga at Wigwam, it had to happen sooner or later, it either has to change and create a new ethos (for want of a better word) or die the way Zerogain has after the aggression of two years ago killed the membership. You get one chance with a forum, you don't get it back after your reputation is shot either for boredom and lack of posts or nastiness. If you don't let it get too far you can pull it around. I thought one or two years ago this one was going wrong, but people changed and the good things and good people pulled it around, so it could be done at Wigwam. But has it gone too far, already the mass of the posters are the ones who want the shit it has become, the others are here or at PFM.

[Audioman]

The point is, it wasn't supposed to be like other forums! Why have lots of forums all the same? It was lightly modderated by choice & the AUP stated early on, the swearing & bad language was allowed & also stated that if you didn't like that then please don't join!

I guess from your post you totally missed the point of the Wam

Alot of the uncouth idiots (Thank-you!) post on alot of other forums & where swearing is not acceptable they behave as the forum dictates

I got the point as far as humour is concerned but allowing swearing and abuse and confusing this as humour results in people acting in an unacceptable way. I'm sure most of these posters act quite normaly when not hiding behind a computer screen because in the real world they would probably get a good slapping.

[The Grand Wazoo]

A lot of the uncouth idiots (Thank-you!)

Sorry Alfie, but is this supposed to demonstrate that you're not uncouth?

[Effem]

simples ,

people keep in touch ,

and you posted often enough on the wam also ,sorry if you don't think i'm welcome

Let's keep this in context shall we Tommy?

I left the Wam some time ago because of the way it had become and that clown James couldn't even let me leave gracefully without doing his level best to humiliate me on the way out, nobody came to my rescue while it was going on, so you must understand I have very little time for the whiners who are lamenting that particular forum's demise.

None of that happens here because the moderators have a clear picture of how exactly the forum should be run, so to some that can mean "dull and boring" compared to the "jolly and laddish" atmosphere of the wigwam, but there are no dual standards here, there is no bullying or abuse tolerated, there is deep mutual respect for other people's opinions, hence we have civilised discussions AND disagreements without resorting to any filthy language or personal insults.

All new members are welcome here trust me and the "keyboard cowboys" when they show their hand are soon weeded out. So, by all means you are more than welcome for meaningful and beneficial participation here and rise up to this forum's standards.

[TBL]

It was only a matter of time before it imploded anyway.

I was disgusted at the constant foul language being used, the racism, the misogyny, the cliques of thugs and opinionated bullies who made most threads into a nightmare and as for anyone having an opinion different from the herd, it was pitiful to witness.

I personally am very sad that it went from the good intentions it began with to the cesspit it had become and to be perfectly honest James should have taken a leave of absence last year when he vowed to take a back seat for a while and not post. Instead, he saw fit to carry on to humiliate and belittle far too many people and let his own views on matters dominate the forum, encouraging those that mirrored his views. When that attitude prevails at the very top of the tree, then it comes as no surprise the fuse was already well lit for the big bang.

Sad, but true.

[TBL]

what a shame . . especially as I had a deal for some cd's going through . . could have waited until tomorrow !!

great forum, although I enjoy AOS, pinkfish and vinylengine too.

wish James all the best though

I was in the middle of a few sales of CD's on the wam which have now all fallen through I'll need to check the AUP to see if can advertise here. I know I cant on PFM

Can't check obviously but I thinks it's my sale your referring to (alphatoner)

[alfie2902]

I got the point as far as humour is concerned but allowing swearing and abuse and confusing this as humour results in people acting in an unacceptable way. I'm sure most of these posters act quite normaly when not hiding behind a computer screen because in the real world they would probably get a good slapping.

Unacceptable to whom?

The Wams AUP which was written by the forum owner & shapes what is wanted & expected on that forum said "Bad language is allowed!!!! If you do not like this, please do not join the Wam"

If you were offended you shouldn't of joined after you read the AUP!!! I take it you did read the AUP?

I assume you've been out on boys nights out & took part in the banter? Sometimes it can get close to the knuckle, but it's pretty meangless really!

All the wammers I've met & people from other forums have been very nice face to face! Things do sometimes get heated on the forums, but slapping people is far more basic than a swear word or two!!!

[Bazil]

I'm a member of Wigwam, I never got involved in any of the banter, just loved the Music section and gadet section. I started a couple of threads that have run a long time one of which I update each week and would like to migrate to here if the Wam doesn't restart.
I'll speak to Marco if the Wam is dead.

[Jac Hawk]

As I said in a previous post, if anyone wants me to do the London one again this year I will sponsor it again, but the forum(s) must make it work this time as I lost money last year on it (well set the cost against tax).

A very nice offer Richard, however we don't all live in the smoke, if an event is going to happen over a weekend like Scalford then it'll turn out quite expensive for people to bring their kit down to show, far better set up an event in the Midlands and just off a major motorway like the M1 or A1, people won't mind travelling if it only takes a maximum of a couple of hours. In my opinion an enthusiasts event, which Scalford is, works in part because of it's location, being not too far away from anywhere in particular, and staying there or in the surrounding area doesn't break the bank either. Maybe these are the reasons why the event you sponsored didn't work.

[alfie2902]

Sorry Alfie, but is this supposed to demonstrate that you're not uncouth?

No, it was supposed to demonstrate that I am infact one of the dirty unwashed uncouth idiots that Audioman was talking about!

I thought it acceptable here as it is one of smilies the forum supply to be used!

But as Audioman says I am an uncouth idoit