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Cool... What's the deal then on Helander? As you say, he was a big-money signing, but doesn't seem to be getting many games, nor seems to be trusted by Gerrard in the big ones that matter (i.e. against Legia Warsaw and Celtic).
Is he injured or what?
Marco.
Think Gerrard felt the 2 with Jerseys deserved to keep them. I think the 2 on bench are better.
rmcin626
03-09-2019, 10:31
Think Gerrard felt the 2 with Jerseys deserved to keep them. I think the 2 on bench are better.
Think he will be getting a game after the international break, after the performances on Sunday.
Think Gerrard felt the 2 with Jerseys deserved to keep them. I think the 2 on bench are better.
That doesn't say much for then for what was supposed to be one of your big signings... More wasted money? Hopefully not.
Marco.
rmcin626
03-09-2019, 10:42
That doesn't say much for then for what was supposed to be one of your big signings... More wasted money? Hopefully not.
Marco.
I think the plan was to play him as the left sided centre back but Katic has been playing well since the start of the season. It’s Goldson that has been making the errors.
That doesn't say much for then for what was supposed to be one of your big signings... More wasted money? Hopefully not.
Marco.
I mean Helander and Edmunson are better. Goldson has been particularly erratic and Katic on occasion. Time will tel but i think if SG has any sense he will bench them both.
livie have again started well and will be difficult to beat as they will no doubt play the block as well.
IMO, Goldson isn't what's required, or Rangers class. He'll do ok against lesser teams in the SPL, but be shown up against better opposition, especially in Europe.
I think both Katic and Barisic are good, but need a reliable and compatible partner, so hopefully for you Helander's the answer. What would worry me is why Gerrard doesn't seem to rate him ahead of Goldson, as normally managers are only too keen to showcase their big new signings.
Anyway, I'll judge him when I see him playing!
Marco.
The team was winning and not losing goals so it would be difficult to change them. If he did and it went pear shaped he and the new players would get blame. They didn't play well, lost two goals etc so should be changed.
Sure I get that, but I thought Helander would've been a stick-on to start the season, or was he signed after the games had kicked off?
Marco.
Sure I get that, but I thought Helander would've been a stick-on to start the season, or was he signed after the games had kicked off?
Marco.
he wasn't 100% fit compared to rest of team when he came and didnt have our preseason so been on catch up. Think he will play more now tho....presuming he plays ok. what Ive seen of him he looks decent
Good explanation here from BBC Scotland's Michael Stewart on where Rangers went wrong on Sunday, and what Celtic did right to stop them playing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49537832
Scroll down past the Celtic bit, and play the video shown. What he's saying is spot on!
Marco.
I wouldnt listen to anything that rangers hater says personally.
Lol - haven't considered him as a Rangers hater [what about all the Celtic haters in the media, lol?]. Regardless, what he's outlined in that video is, tactically, spot on.
Marco.
Very much so.. he is worse than sutton. At least sutton has a reason, hes a celtic man. Stewart got a trial and was told he was shoite... lol
Ah I see, didn't know about that. Such things don't bother me at all, when it applies the other way. I listen to 'Celtic haters', just as much as 'Rangers haters', and if they're right and make a valid point, I'll acknowledge it:)
For example, Derek Ferguson talks a lot of sense on some his YouTube videos, where he teams up with Macca, called 'Right in the Coupon". See here:
https://youtu.be/ccPRqfhN47g
Worth a watch!:cool:
You might have to rewind it to the beginning.
Marco.
rmcin626
03-09-2019, 17:41
In the main I will listen to the pundits well apart from Chris Sutton, who just annoys me. I usually enjoy what Derek Ferguson has to say on Saturday afternoon on Radio Scotland.
Yeah, same here. I like Chris Sutton, though, but not just because he's a Celtic man, but because he's outspoken and opinionated, which I thoroughly approve of. I *detest* wishy-washy fence sitters, devoid of a personality, or anyone who's too 'nice' (read as, boring as fuck)!:rolleyes:
No, let's hear what you have to say [spit it out], even if I vehemently disagree, is my motto. I even enjoy listening to Ally McCoist or Andy Goram, when they speak about football: two diehard Rangers men, but also two people I highly respect, as I like WINNERS!:cool:
Marco.
rmcin626
03-09-2019, 18:30
Yeah, same here. I like Chris Sutton, though, but not just because he's a Celtic man, but because he's outspoken and opinionated, which I thoroughly approve of. I *detest* wishy-washy fence sitters, devoid of a personality, or anyone who's too 'nice' (read as, boring as fuck)!:rolleyes:
No, let's hear what you have to say [spit it out], even if I vehemently disagree, is my motto. I even enjoy listening to Ally McCoist or Andy Goram, when they speak about football: two diehard Rangers men, but also two people I highly respect, as I like WINNERS!:cool:
Marco.
Can never accuse Sutton of sitting on the fence that's for sure.
McCoist has always been entertaining, as for Goram well that's another matter great keeper but as an after dinner speaker that's a whole different matter.
Pepperamip
03-09-2019, 18:33
I often see Alan Brazil around canary wharf grabbing a beer or 12. Chatted to him a couple of times and considering he must have to talk about football to strangers constantly as well as on air, hes a thoroughly decent bloke.
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...as for Goram well that's another matter great keeper but as an after dinner speaker that's a whole different matter.
Sounds intriguing... Care to elaborate?:eyebrows:
My motto's life's too short for boring bastards, so I quite like 'quirky' folk...
Marco.
rmcin626
03-09-2019, 18:40
Sounds intriguing... Care to elaborate?:eyebrows:
My motto's life's too short for boring bastards, so I quite like 'quirky' folk...
Marco.
Over the years I have attended many black tie events/sportman's dinners, Burn's supper and Andy Goram is the worst I have ever heard speak, I can swear as much as the next person but he takes it to another level, probably didn't help as he was fairly pissed the night I heard him speak, they couldn't shut him up fast enough.
Andy was a sot. Penicuik cricket club etc. Great goalie but a piss merchant.
I see, so he's a bit of a potty mouth? Could be entertaining I guess, in small doses... I still like him though, as he was arguably the best goalkeeper the Scottish league has ever seen, and a winner/diehard player for his club. Even as a Celtic supporter, I admire that.
Marco.
TBH, it serves him right: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4676114/rangers-jordan-jones-months-out-celtic-moritz-bauer/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter
Karma can be a great thing... Hopefully, that'll teach him a lesson in future!
Marco.
4 to 6 weeks im told mate... medial ligament.... a rush of blood alas.... it can happen, and he wont get back in side easily now. SG wasn't impressed
Sure it can happen, and I hope he makes a full recovery ASAP, but I detest that type of behaviour, and had a Celtic player (or anyone else) done it, I'd have been saying the same thing.
What's he got a two-match ban too, even when he's back fit?
Marco.
rmcin626
04-09-2019, 07:34
4 to 6 weeks im told mate... medial ligament.... a rush of blood alas.... it can happen, and he wont get back in side easily now. SG wasn't impressed
With the arrival of Kent, he will struggle for games
Sure it can happen, and I hope he makes a full recovery ASAP, but I detest that type of behaviour, and had a Celtic player (or anyone else) done it, I'd have been saying the same thing.
What's he got a two-match ban too, even when he's back fit?
Marco.
not sure they start after your fit or just start fit or not
With the arrival of Kent, he will struggle for games
kent might not be fully fit, as he hasnt played much since pre season
rmcin626
04-09-2019, 08:44
kent might not be fully fit, as he hasnt played much since pre season
Good point
not sure they start after your fit or just start fit or not
You'd imagine that bans would start after you're fit, otherwise it's a non-punishment, as you're unable to play anyway when you're injured. It has to be treated as a separate thing,
Marco.
You'd imagine that bans would start after you're fit, otherwise it's a non-punishment, as you're unable to play anyway when you're injured. It has to be treated as a separate thing,
Marco.So you have to take a fitness test to see if you can be banned lol.
Well, maybe I don't know
Lol... That's not what I meant. If he's injured, he's injured, so banning him from playing while he's unable to play is pointless.
Therefore, he should serve his ban once he's fit again to play. So let him sit out the required amount of matches under the ban then, otherwise he'll only have been punished by his own reckless stupidity!
Marco.
Lol... That's not what I meant. If he's injured, he's injured, so banning him from playing while he's unable to play is pointless.
Therefore, he should serve his ban once he's fit again to play. So let him sit out the required amount of matches under the ban then, otherwise he'll only have been punished by his own reckless stupidity!
Marco.
its same thing tho.. club then say he is fit.. you ban him, but he is not fit.. how do you prove it.. a medical? as I say I dont know answer for sure but i think you just serve ban when unfit...BUT I have asked the question so hope i get an answer today
Lol - asked whom the question?
Sorry, for me it's simple. The club is told that they cannot play Jordan Jones for the duration of his ban, once he's been declared fit and ready for team selection. The medical staff at Rangers (and Gerrard) will know when that is, the same as they would with any other injured player.
If proof is of his fitness, or otherwise, is required, then the SFA can request to see his medical report. I would object very strongly to him getting away with any proper punishment for his ASSULT on Bauer, simply because the brainless idiot got injured in the process!!:doh:
Marco.
lots of peculiarities in laws of anything and especially football.your way it could be said he is punished twice.... just depends on viewpoint.
dont see him playing for a while anyways as he has kent, barker and arfield in front of him now.
Was a silly thing to do but as I say a rush of blood can make you do silly things.
Ive asked some friends on our private forum... keeps riff raff out ;lol
lots of peculiarities in laws of anything and especially football.your way it could be said he is punished twice.... just depends on viewpoint.
dont see him playing for a while anyways as he has kent, barker and arfield in front of him now.
Was a silly thing to do but as I say a rush of blood can make you do silly things.
Ive asked some friends on our private forum... keeps riff raff out ;lol
That as may be, but there's only one LOGICAL way of looking at it.
The injury Jordan Jones sustained from said 'tackle' was entirely self-inflicted, and therefore has nothing to do with any punishment from the SFA he, or any other player, would face in those circumstances, had they NOT been injured in the process.
Therefore, given that fact, *how* is Jones being punished twice by the SFA...??
That logic is akin to a murderer injuring himself badly whilst killing someone, and subsequently being unable to work again because of said injury, then escaping jail for said murder, because it would mean that he was being 'punished twice'...:doh:
Interesting about your "private forum"... So is your friend a conclusive voice in such matters -what are his connections with Rangers?:)
Marco.
That as may be, but there's only one LOGICAL way of looking at it. The injury he sustained from said 'tackle' was entirely self-inflicted and therefore has nothing to do with the punishment from the SFA he, or any other player, would face in those circumstances, had they not been injured in the process.
Therefore, *how* is he being punished twice by the SFA...??
Interesting about your "private forum"... So is your friend a conclusive voice in such matters -what are his connections with Rangers?:)
Marco.
There are a few only on the site. a mate started it for us only. its not on the web as he didnt want members. only a handful but we all kinda think similar... decent types;) one of them is well versed in rule book so he may know answer..might not as although im sure its happened before its probably not all that common a situation.
See the edit I've made to my last post about the mangled logic!
Moreover, if the viewpoint you've stated is taken and becomes actuality, it would set a very dangerous precedent, by sending out the message to other players that it's ok to physically assault someone on the football field, as you'll get away with being banned, if you subsequently injure yourself badly...:doh:
That simply cannot be how it is.
Noted on the private forum. Sounds like fun. It will certainly be interesting to see what he says, and more importantly what *actually happens* to Jones, in respect of his ban. I'll be following that one closely.
Marco.
See the edit I've made to my last post about the mangled logic!
Noted, no worries, sounds like fun. It will certainly be interesting to see what he says, and more importantly what *actually happens* to Jones, in respect of his ban. I'll be following that one closely.
Marco.
Its a nice relaxed site where we just banter.. a bit like the mod room:lol: the guy who runs it has a lot of web interests apparently so just does this for his own enjoyment.
After reading the sfa rules im none the wiser.. its written as a kenny dalgleish style.. maybes aye, maybes naw..:doh:Im gonna stick my neck out and say he will need to be fit enough to play(as in able to go on a pitch, not nessessarilly to be fit enough to actually get a game)
I will expect 4 game suspension
...and a good boot in the baws:eyebrows:
Marco.
Btw, I don't condone this sort of pish either: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/scenes-sparked-celtics-scott-brown-14236541?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=exchange
Brown also needs to learn how to behave properly as a Celtic captain [have the dignity and maturity to rise above any provocation], and stop antagonising the Rangers fans!
Marco.
its in his nature alas, but that doesnt excuse the bile he gets
Indeed... Did you hear about the scumbag who asked how his sister was (the one who died of cancer), as he was boarding the team bus? Pure oxygen-thieving vermin. I believe 'it' now been give a lifetime ban from Ibrox.
Marco.
Yup trouble was the wrong guy was outed online and he and family was abused.
That's the trouble with so called people vengeance. More often than not they attack the wto g person.
The offender was15.. Little Big man eh. Prick
Early goal for Scotland.. I've got it down as a draw.
You could be right, but Russia were the better team in the first half and created more chances than Scotland, once they scored. That guy Dzyuba looks deadly and has been a real handful!
Scotland are undoubtedly a better team, under Clarke, but are defo lightweight up front, and so it amazes me that Naismith makes the squad but not Griffiths, despite him playing less football!:doh:
Yes I know that Griffiths hasn't been playing regularly for Celtic, but he's played more games for them than Naismith has for Hearts, so that's a bizarre decision from Clarke - and it's one that might come back and bite him on the bum. If Griffo had been on the bench, he's always liable to come on and do a job, especially from free kicks.
At the moment, unless things change in the second half, I think we'll be lucky to get a draw, and indeed will probably need to score again, as I think Russia will. I think that if you gave Clarke 1-1 right now, he's snap your hand off!
Marco.
Behind now.. Think it's gone
I think Scotland could score again, but if Russia do it's defo over. It was the right decision to bring Christie on, as he's very direct and likes driving at defenders.
But Griffo should've been on the bench and available to come on, especially for free kicks! Russia are a quality side, and considerably above our current level. They'll give Belgium a run for their money in this group.
Marco.
we are behind kasakhstan now ffs :doh:
rmcin626
07-09-2019, 08:45
we are behind kasakhstan now ffs :doh:
I was out last night so didn’t se the game, no chance of automatic qualification now.
So never mind politics, onto important matters... Can we keep it down to single figures tonight against Belgium?
I'm going to go for a made scoreline like 3-2 to Belgium, as I think there'll be goals!:D
Marco.
3-0 and not to us. Maybe 4
Could be, but I fancy us to score a couple.
Marco.
Didn't take long for our defence to surrender.., 9mins lol
S'ok, the comeback's on!:eek::D
Marco.
Sack the manager. Big ek was better
Erm, I give you the Kasakhstan result, which has largely put us in this 'enviable' position.
Don't even think Sir Alex, at his prime, could anything about being fundamentally outclassed by a much better team. But, there are some signs that Clarke may be out of his depth at international level...
Marco.
Currently Cyprus and kagastan sorry re spelling, are both above us. Our players are not that bad so it lands at his feet.
The Scotland manager's job remains a poisoned chalice..... If Clarke's not the answer (and there's no way I'm judging him on this game) then perhaps it's time to look to foreign shores.
Bring back Berti Vogts!!:lol:
Marco.
Lol. Rather have bertie bassett
Ha... Semi-serious about getting a foreign coach in though, if Clarke's not the answer... Look at what his opposite number's doing with our opponents tonight - and with Shaun Maloney as his assistant!:eek:
Clearly, even a country such as Belgium aren't afraid of appointing foreign coaches... I'd defo say that Scotland's next manager, whoever that may be, should be foreign. We nearly went down that route with Michael O'Neill.
What's Sven doing these days?;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
09-09-2019, 21:56
We'll be seeing the Belgium National Team Manager on Wednesday night :)
It's Vincent Kompany's testimonial - and City don't do testimonials, so it's a special occasion.
I'm looking forward to seeing James "Boring" Milner wearing a City shirt again, along with a few others.
The game is going to be on Sky, should you be interested :D
rmcin626
09-09-2019, 22:07
Thankful I was out tonight and missed the game
Only thing of note was I got score about right. I did say 3 or 4nil.
Poor display overall since Clarke came In. Maybe even worse than before. Certainly no better.
Players have to take as much flak as they have not performed across the board.
We'll be seeing the Belgium National Team Manager on Wednesday night :)
It's Vincent Kompany's testimonial - and City don't do testimonials, so it's a special occasion.
I'm looking forward to seeing James "Boring" Milner wearing a City shirt again, along with a few others.
The game is going to be on Sky, should you be interested :DWas great servant to club a d country.
We'll be seeing the Belgium National Team Manager on Wednesday night :)
It's Vincent Kompany's testimonial - and City don't do testimonials, so it's a special occasion.
I'm looking forward to seeing James "Boring" Milner wearing a City shirt again, along with a few others.
The game is going to be on Sky, should you be interested :D
Good stuff, mate.... I presume that all funds generated will be going to a deserving charity of his choice?:)
You must've missed it before, but I asked if you knew anything of Jeremie Frimpong, Celtic's recent young signing from City? He looks like quality.
Marco.
Stratmangler
10-09-2019, 08:08
Good stuff, mate.... I presume that all funds generated will be going to a deserving charity of his choice?:)
They certainly are.
Vincent has pledged the proceeds towards helping the homeless in Manchester. https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/vincent-kompany-201569
You must've missed it before, but I asked if you knew anything of Jeremie Frimpong, Celtic's recent young signing from City? He looks like quality.
Marco.
I've missed Frimpong altogether - I haven't been to many games over at the academy for a couple of years, so he's snuck in and out under the radar.
From what I can find he's a decent player https://www.mancity.com/players/jeremie-frimpong
I hope he does well :)
Only thing of note was I got score about right. I did say 3 or 4nil.
Poor display overall since Clarke came In. Maybe even worse than before. Certainly no better.
Players have to take as much flak as they have not performed across the board.
Agreed, although Christie was excellent and not only worked his socks off, but created some problems for the Belgians with his direct and energetic style of play, winning a few corners and free kicks in the process, which had Griffiths been on the park. instead of Snodgrass, we might've scored from!;)
Mulgrew was also his usual steady self, and always a threat at set pieces, and Marshall did ok and could've done nothing to prevent any of the goals. Plus, Armstrong also made an impact when he came on, nearly setting up a goal with his first few touches.. So the Celtic (or ex-Celtic) contingent there performed ok. However, both Forrest and McGregor are currently underperforming in a Scotland shirt.
They combined really well before against Cyprus, etc, to win us the play-off place, which is now our only chance of qualifying for the Euros, but you wonder that, given the demanding season (and all the important games) that lie ahead for them for Celtic, are they really pushing themselves fully for Scotland? I think that both have recently been playing within themselves and don't want to risk injury. Could that also be the case with the likes of Robertson and McTominay, as they too have bigger fish to fry with Liverpool and Man Utd respectively.
And that's one of the problems we now face as a nation... In the lowly position we currently find ourselves in, is it now the case that for our top players, the attraction of pulling on a Scotland shirt just isn't the same as it once was, before the dawn of Champions League football, with the huge rewards that brings, and when Scotland used to qualify for major tournaments and so players then had something worth playing for, and as such is viewed as an 'inconvenience'?
No-one would admit that of course, but in my view that's as much a part of the problem we currently face, as the failings of any of the recent managers we've had. Because regardless of the manager, it's largely the same group of players delivering the same poor performances, and subsequent bad results, and for me that's no coincidence. We have to address, and try and fix, the malaise that's been present in our national squad for a very long time.
Therefore, for me, we need to look at the players selected, perhaps by starting to cap good Scottish players (or those eligible to play for Scotland), capable of doing a job in certain positions, who aren't involved in the demands of playing for Celtic, Rangers, Liverpool or Man Utd, and have something to prove?
Perhaps they would have more fire in their bellies, as once was the case, when pulling on a Scotland shirt? Plus, it might give a kick up the arse to the 'superstars' (I use that description entirely flippantly), when they're being dropped for someone they'd consider as their inferior... Because, no matter how good the manager is, you're not going to win games when the hearts of your key players aren't in it.
The other problem we have currently, is our paucity of good strikers, which we once had in abundance, and in that respect, the Scotland team has become a victim of the fact that the main strikers at Rangers and Celtic, Griffiths aside, are all foreign - and in the case of Griffiths, he's not getting enough game-time for that reason [kept out the team by Edouard], so can't realistically be selected for Scotland, although he should be ahead of Naismith, who's played even less for Hearts!! So Clarke's decision there baffles me:scratch:
I have little doubt that, even though he's not being playing much for Celtic, Griffiths would've have made an impact in the two games against Russia and Belgium. His delivery from set pieces alone would've virtually guaranteed that. The other thing is that when your team doesn't have a major threat up front, or someone who can lead the line and hold the ball up well on his own, it puts added pressure on the midfield and defence, as they're constantly under pressure.
It goes back to the old saying of 'the best form of defence is attack' - a truism because, if you've got the ball and are doing something positive with it, then the opposition aren't!
We also badly lack leadership on the pitch, and in that respect are hugely missing Scott Brown's influence. There are too many players currently in the Scotland squad who don't have his type of desire or winning mentality, or who are willing to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in. That situation needs addressing, first and foremost.
In that respect, if we had another 10 Ryan Christies, with his type of skill and endeavour in every position, we'd have no problems!
However, for the striking problem to change, our top clubs need to bring more good players through their ranks, and not just go out and spend millions of pounds on foreigners - but then we go back to the problem of the pressure that the likes of Rangers are Celtic are under to perform well in Europe and win every domestic game, and so instant success is mandatory. It's a vicious circle, but unless something fundamental is done about it, then internationally, Scotland will continue to be a joke for years to come....
Marco.
Your thoughts, chaps?:)
Marco.
so basically all the Celtic/ex celtic guys were great(bar 2 who are off form) the rest are shit.....that it in summary :eyebrows:
Not sure there is a solution to Scotland. Our mentality seems to be lacking(as is our ability).. Many countries has surpassed us by being better TEAMS, with spirit. We dont have the Billy Bremner wee naf types we used to produce. Who was the last Scotland player toboss a game against a big team?
world cup 1978 squad.
12 Jim Blyth [England] Coventry City 02/02/1955
20 Bobby Clark [Scotland] Aberdeen FC 26/09/1945
1 Alan Rough [Scotland] Partick Thistle 25/11/1951
Defender
4 Martin Buchan [England] Manchester United 06/03/1949
22 Kenny Burns [England] Nottingham Forest 23/09/1953
3 Willie Donachie [England] Manchester City 05/10/1951
14 Tom Forsyth [Scotland] Rangers FC 23/01/1949
2 Sandy Jardine [Scotland] Rangers FC 31/12/1948
13 Stuart Kennedy [Scotland] Aberdeen FC 31/05/1953
5 Gordon McQueen [England] Manchester United 26/06/1952
Midfielder
15 Archie Gemmill [England] Nottingham Forest 24/03/1947
21 Joe Harper [Scotland] Aberdeen FC 11/01/1948
10 Asa Hartford [England] Manchester City 24/10/1950
16 Lou Macari [England] Manchester United 04/06/1949
7 Don Masson [England] Derby County 26/08/1946
6 Bruce Rioch [England] Derby County 06/09/1947
19 John Robertson [England] Nottingham Forest 20/01/1953
18 Graeme Souness [England] Liverpool FC 06/05/1953
Forward
8 Kenny Dalglish [England] Liverpool FC 04/03/1951
11 Willie Johnston [England] West Bromwich Albion 19/12/1946
17 Derek Johnstone [Scotland] Rangers FC 04/11/1953
9 Joe Jordan [England] Manchester United.
we dont have players like that now, and that wasnt as good as the earlier ones
so basically all the Celtic/ex celtic guys were great(bar 2 who are off form) the rest are shit.....that it in summary :eyebrows:
Lol, not quite.. Trust your blue-nosed bias to see it that way!:D Did you miss my (entirely justified) criticism of Forrest and McGregor?:ner:
However, it's no secret that some of Scotland's best recent performances were achieved when the team was filled with motivated, in-form Celtic players. That's undeniable, as the results they achieved speak for themselves. Plus, Celtic have been head and shoulders the best team in Scotland, for the last 8 years, so it's only natural that many of their players should be selected for the international team.
Therefore, it's always a good idea to select quality players who are used to playing together domestically, and understand each other's game, regardless of which team it is they play for!;)
More importantly, what did you think of the rest of the points I made, specifically about capping more players, who could do a good job, but don't have the demands of playing for the likes of Liverpool or Man Utd?
For me, aside from the fact that they can't play the same style of football for the national team as they do at club level, and yes that's significant, it's no 'accident' that the likes of Robertson and McTominay aren't the same players for Scotland. And others come under that category.
Marco.
will also say that the national team and national identity that used to go with it for players isnt there any more; and yes the money they earn will be a factor, but not the only one.. its a bit of a poison chalice for players now too
Not sure there is a solution to Scotland. Our mentality seems to be lacking(as is our ability).. Many countries has surpassed us by being better TEAMS, with spirit.
Which is why I say give some of the good Scottish players in the rest of the SPL (and English leagues) a chance, who don't have the demands of playing for the really big clubs, and may have something to offer and prove to people?
The fact is, if you don't have to worry about Champions League or Europa Cup games, etc, or winning every match, as is the case at the biggest clubs, then outside of playing once a week for your club team (excluding domestic cup competitions), you can devote all of your energies to international matches.
That could certainly make a difference to creating the SPIRIT you mention. Quite simply, you can't have spirit if you're too worried about injuring yourself, for being able to play arguably more important games for your club!
But any such players brought in would have to be good enough, read as at least able to make us more organised and harder to beat. That's our BIGGEST problem/failing at the moment. Forget silky football; we're too much of a soft touch, which is the worst thing of all, considering the type of players we've had in the past, some of whom you've just listed!
The answer to your question about when we last 'bossed' a big team, it would've been our performances against France and Italy, during the Euros in 2007, with the likes of James McFadden. Those were the last days of a proper Scotland team, which had not only skill, but spirit and endeavour. You don't need to go back to the 70s to find a good Scotland team, although unlike back then, we certainly no longer have any world-class players.
Scotland team in France 2007:
Gordon, Hutton, McManus, Weir, Alexander, McCulloch, Ferguson, Fletcher (Pearson 26), Brown, Hartley, McFadden.
A team packed full, not only of skill, but most importantly LEADERS, WINNERS/fighters [both on the pitch and in the dressing room], who had a steely determination not to lose at any cost, and crucially who WANTED to give, and GAVE their all for Scotland, particularly those I've highlighted! And which formed the beating heart of the team. *That* is what we simply don't have now, but which I don't believe doesn't exist or can't be nurtured.
Also in 2013, against England at Wembley... The 3-2 game, and with two spectacular free-kicks scored by YOU KNOW WHO!;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
10-09-2019, 09:32
I didn't see the game, but from what I've read Kevin de Bruyne had one of those games.
Set up three goals and got for himself.
When he's like that it will be extremely difficult to play against any side he's a part of.
His vision and pinpoint accurate passes and crosses are a nightmare to defend against.
One man doesn't make a team, but any team with a player of KdB's standing will get opportunities.
We (City) missed him for big chunks of last season, but somehow managed not to lose it completely.
We coped.
Don't beat yourselves up over last night :cool:
Points taken, Chris, and I agree, although the problems we have unfortunately go much deeper and were also evident against Russia, plus in other games before it.
Anyway, could you please answer this post (319) :https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?65430-Footie-season-2019-2020&p=1120860#post1120860
This'll be the THIRD time I've asked!:ner:;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
10-09-2019, 09:37
Points taken, Chris, and I agree, although the problems we have unfortunately go much deeper and were also evident against Russia, plus other games before it.
Anyway, could you please answer this post (319) :https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?65430-Footie-season-2019-2020&p=1120860#post1120860
This'll be the THIRD time I've asked!:ner:;)
Marco.
Open your eyes and ye shall find https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?65430-Footie-season-2019-2020&p=1120880#post1120880
:cool:
Lol - missed it because it was the last post (for me) on that page... Ta, and thanks for the link:)
We'll see what he's like when he plays, but I suspect he's one for the future.
Marco.
Stratmangler
10-09-2019, 10:27
I'm sure Jeremie will prove to be a good signing for Celtic.
People forget that developing and moving young players on is a part of City's business dealings, and from what I hear it's quite profitable.
One thing you do know is that Jeremie has had extremely good coaching - the first team coaching staff get involved with the younger players from time to time, and the way the first team plays guides the way the youngsters are coached.
He'll be a very good player - it's down to your lot to bring him on further.
Yup, I understand all that, and you're right. I'm sure he will do well, once he's deemed as ready to fight for his place in the first team. We've not had too many 'duds' from Man City, with players such as Guidetti, Denayer, Boyata and Roberts, in recent times all doing not too badly at Celtic!;)
Marco.
P.S Granty, when you get a chance, I'd appreciate your thoughts on post 328:)
Stratmangler
10-09-2019, 11:26
Yup, I understand all that, and you're right. I'm sure he will do well, once he's deemed as ready to fight for his place in the first team. We've not had too many 'duds' from Man City, with players such as Guidetti, Denayer, Boyata and Roberts, in recent times all doing not too badly at Celtic!;)
Marco.
P.S Granty, when you get a chance, I'd appreciate your thoughts on post 328:)
Duds is seldom the correct term to use.
As always, it's down to whether the player in question fits in with what the manager/coach wants to see.
Talking of Roberts, he has a day off this coming Saturday.
Premier League rules say that a loan player cannot play against their "parent" club.
UEFA take a different view, which is why he played against City for Celtic a few seasons ago.
Duds is seldom the correct term to use.
As always, it's down to whether the player in question fits in with what the manager/coach wants to see.
Talking of Roberts, he has a day off this coming Saturday.
Premier League rules say that a loan player cannot play against their "parent" club.
UEFA take a different view, which is why he played against City for Celtic a few seasons ago.
Indeed, which is why I used inverted commas. You get my point, though. The players we've had from City were all good to start with, and also went onto become a big success for us. That's no 'happy accident', and reflects well on both City and Celtic.
Lol - it was obviously a sore point for you when UEFA took that view and Roberts scored for us at your ground!:D TBH, they (both the EPL and UEFA) should agree on one rule and apply it across the board.
Those two games, incidentally, between City and Celtic in the CL were superb, particularly the 3-3 draw at Celtic Park, when it really mattered.
And we've achieved good results in Europe in recent times against other top English sides, which is why I laugh at the 'doom and gloom' merchants (particularly our resident St Johnstone fan, I forget his name), who pops in now and then and goes on about how Celtic (and Rangers) are crap, when judged on a bigger platform, usually after his team have just been gubbed by one or the other.....:eyebrows:
Well, clearly not (if you study the stats) when drawn against English opposition in Europe, as we always raise our game accordingly, in order to prove a point! I'll leave you to guess what that point is....;)
Marco.
Which is why I say give some of the good Scottish players in the rest of the SPL (and English leagues) a chance, who don't have the demands of playing for the really big clubs, and may have something to offer and prove to people?
The fact is, if you don't have to worry about Champions League or Europa Cup games, etc, or winning every match, as is the case at the biggest clubs, then outside of playing once a week for your club team (excluding domestic cup competitions), you can devote all of your energies to international matches.
That could certainly make a difference to creating the SPIRIT you mention. Quite simply, you can't have spirit if you're too worried about injuring yourself, for being able to play arguably more important games for your club!
But any such players brought in would have to be good enough, read as at least able to make us more organised and harder to beat. That's our BIGGEST problem/failing at the moment. Forget silky football; we're too much of a soft touch, which is the worst thing of all, considering the type of players we've had in the past, some of whom you've just listed!
The answer to your question about when we last 'bossed' a big team, it would've been our performances against France and Italy, during the Euros in 2007, with the likes of James McFadden. Those were the last days of a proper Scotland team, which had not only skill, but spirit and endeavour. You don't need to go back to the 70s to find a good Scotland team, although unlike back then, we certainly no longer have any world-class players.
Scotland team in France 2007:
Gordon, Hutton, McManus, Weir, Alexander, McCulloch, Ferguson, Fletcher (Pearson 26), Brown, Hartley, McFadden.
A team packed full, not only of skill, but most importantly LEADERS, WINNERS/fighters [both on the pitch and in the dressing room], who had a steely determination not to lose at any cost, and crucially who WANTED to give, and GAVE their all for Scotland, particularly those I've highlighted! And which formed the beating heart of the team. *That* is what we simply don't have now, but which I don't believe doesn't exist or can't be nurtured.
Also in 2013, against England at Wembley... The 3-2 game, and with two spectacular free-kicks scored by YOU KNOW WHO!;)
Marco.
faddy was a big game player no doubt, but often didnt turn up for others. was a good player on his game. think when smith had the team he did what he did with rangers laterly in his tenure(thinking europa final etc) and that was making them so stuffy to play against the opposition got irritated and lost shape.. Its not pretty, its mabe not football but it can be effective
McLeish was the manager during that campaign, daftee, and for the double over France...
I agree with what you're saying, but there is much more to it than that, which I've ably highlighted. We currently lack players with true leadership qualities and a winning mentality, and which we had in abundance during the era in question, not just in the 70s and 80s. And with the right decisions taken in future, we *can* get that back, and which would improve us.
Btw, have you got something against Leigh Griffiths? It's just that you never make any comment about him whatsoever, anytime he's mentioned.... So what gives, bro? You're also similar towards Scott Brown. You do realise that you need to leave your Rangers-oriented feelings, in that respect, behind when judging players playing for Scotland?;)
Marco.
McLeish was the manager during that campaign, daftee, and for the double over France...
I agree with what you're saying, but there is much more to it than that, which I've ably highlighted. We currently lack players with true leadership qualities and a winning mentality, and which we had in abundance during the era in question, not just in the 70s and 80s. And with the right decisions in future, we *can* get that back.
Btw, have you got something against Lee Griffiths? It's just that you never make any comment about him whatsoever anytime he's mentioned.... So what gives? You're also similar towards Scott Brown. You do realise that you need to leave your Rangers-oriented feelings, in that respect, behind when judging players playing for Scotland?;)
Marco.
yes i knew it was big ek. griffiths when his head is right is a good striker, but a even better free kick taker. but he hasnt played much for a long while.
Ok, it was just that you mentioned Walter Smith in the same discussion, although I take your point about him.
Well, that's the first time I've seen you give Griffiths any credit!:eek::eyebrows:;)
Granted he's not been playing much, but he's had more games recently than Naismith, so can you fathom then how Naismith made the squad, yet Griffiths didn't? It makes no sense whatsoever, especially when you need goals, and even a not fully match-sharp Griffiths, coming on as a substitute, would be guaranteed to do more at set pieces than anyone else in the squad!
Marco.
Ok, it was just that you mentioned Walter Smith in the same discussion, although I take your point about him.
Well, that's the first time I've seen you give Griffiths any credit!:eek::eyebrows:;)
Granted he's not been playing much, but he's had more games recently than Naismith, so can you fathom then how Naismith made the squad, yet Griffiths didn't? It makes no sense whatsoever, especially when you need goals, and even a not fully match-sharp Griffiths, coming on as a substitute, would be guaranteed to do more at set pieces than anyone else in the squad!
Marco.
No idea. Maybe he wasnt the running type of forward he wanted. Naismith is a different style of player and was a good player.. no idea if he still has it tho. I'd have been inclined to have griffith around
No idea. Maybe he wasnt the running type of forward he wanted. Naismith is a different style of player and was a good player.. no idea if he still has it tho. I'd have been inclined to have griffith around
Sure, but not even Griffiths as a substitute? His omission from the squad was an unfathomable decision by Clarke, and also in my view a fatal error.
Btw, I also rate Naismith, but he doesn't have the qualities of Griffiths in the areas mentioned, plus more importantly he didn't feature in any of the two games we've just played, so you wonder why he was there, as like Griffiths, he certainly wouldn't have been match-sharp, or perhaps even fit.
Marco.
Well back to league business. Gers gave livi gston and a win will be essential. Livvy have started well again so could be tight match.
Nah, no chance! Rangers will be *desperate* to make amends for the defeat at Ibrox, and the hurt from that, which has been festering for 2 weeks... Livi will get pumped. 4-1 Rangers, minimum.
Marco.
Think it might be tighter, but we will see. With Clarke sabotaging Ryan Jack it means Kamara will have to start playing his international A game.
with Mark Allen leaving as DoF, we will need to make sure the right man is appointed. MA has done a grat job of upgrading the whole place, along with SG of course.. Right people have been brought in and the academy is also in best ever shape, with some top talent.
rmcin626
14-09-2019, 09:37
with Mark Allen leaving as DoF, we will need to make sure the right man is appointed. MA has done a grat job of upgrading the whole place, along with SG of course.. Right people have been brought in and the academy is also in best ever shape, with some top talent.
Absolutely agree Mark Allen has laid some very good foundations and we need the right person to carry that on.
Absolutely agree Mark Allen has laid some very good foundations and we need the right person to carry that on.
heard he was moving to manchester,....old trafford to be precise...:lol:
rmcin626
14-09-2019, 10:27
heard he was moving to manchester,....old trafford to be precise...:lol:
Interesting
Interesting
just a rumour but you never know. thats where he used to be so family may still be there or want to be
rmcin626
14-09-2019, 10:50
Everyone playing on a Saturday makes a change, will watch a bit of the Celtic game before going out.
Well, a narrow win! Much as expected, TBH, given players are returning from the international break and playing on a horrible plastic pitch. Not always easy to win these games at Hamilton. But even though we weren't at our best, 3 points is 3 points:)
Over to Rangers now.... I'll stick with my previous prediction: Rangers 4 Livingston 1.
Marco.
rmcin626
14-09-2019, 13:59
Well, a narrow win! Much as expected, TBH, given players are returning from the international break and playing on a horrible plastic pitch. Not always easy to win these games at Hamilton. But even though we weren't at our best, 3 points is 3 points:)
Over to Rangers now.... I'll stick with my previous prediction: Rangers 4 Livingston 1.
Marco.
Watched the first 30 minutes of the Celtic game, not the best game but 3 points
Yup, if you want to be champions, winning when you're not at your best is essential. Apparently the Forrest goal was pretty good, with a superb pass from Elyounoussi? I'll be watching the game later.
Good luck against Livy:)
Marco.
3 points at a potentially difficult ground.
Stratmangler
14-09-2019, 14:25
Yup, if you want to be champions, winning when you're not at your best is essential
Sometimes you have to dig deep and grind out a result.
just gets worse. kent injured.. 1 down... all going pearshaped already as i fancied it might....
rmcin626
14-09-2019, 15:12
just gets worse. kent injured.. 1 down... all going pearshaped already as i fancied it might....
Poor tackle, hopefully the much needed wake up call.
Stratmangler
14-09-2019, 15:23
I really feel sorry for Norwich, because they have a bit of an injury crisis.
Eight players down, three more very doubtful, and Patrick Roberts is ineligible to play (EPL rules).
Poor tackle, hopefully the much needed wake up call.
seem to have rallied.. trouble is you shouldnt have to go behind to play well enough to win.
rmcin626
14-09-2019, 15:46
seem to have rallied.. trouble is you shouldnt have to go behind to play well enough to win.
Very true, but we need to find ways of breaking teams down who come and play this way
find it hard to understand why he played kent at beginning as he wasnt match fit...
Wasn't far off getting the score right, but I expected it to be easier for Rangers! Hope Kent isn't injured too badly.
In any case, there's certainly no lack of fight in this Rangers side. At 0-1 down, questions were being asked of them - and they answered!
Marco.
rmcin626
14-09-2019, 16:04
find it hard to understand why he played kent at beginning as he wasnt match fit...
Probably backfired as he is now injured
Why the fuck isn't Helander getting a game? I've said this before... £3m to warm his arse on the bench.... Madness! Especially when Goldson is playing pish.
Thoughts?
Marco.
No idea barring Goldson is his pet rottweiler lol
I really feel sorry for Norwich, because they have a bit of an injury crisis.
Eight players down, three more very doubtful, and Patrick Roberts is ineligible to play (EPL rules).
No offence mate, but as a Liverpool supporter and fan of [ex-Celt] Pukki - come on the Canaries!!:more::more:
Marco.
No idea barring Goldson is his pet rottweiler lol
Could be, but he needs bringing in now, IMO., or otherwise Gerrad's seen something in him in training he doesn't like...
Marco.
And Norwich lead through SCOT, Kenny McLean!:yay:
No doubt that'll anger City now, and they'll score five.....
Marco.
Expecting an onslaught now! :eek: but glad to see Norwich aren’t scared to stick to their system. On the ball city!
2-0.....!!:eek::eek::yay:
Shurely not........?
Marco.
You must be soaking your adult nappy, mate!:eyebrows:
Apparently Pukki made the second goal? I'm outside, currently enjoying a nice BBQ and some vino:cheers:
Marco.
If nowt ekse it will give other sides confidence
Yeah, but I don't think Liverpool need any;)
Marco.
Yes, Pukki assist. Unfortunately not watching as packing for the house move but following the live text.
Not thinking of them. More that city come across as invincible and mostly are so a small team getting some joy can't be bad for division.
Still think City will come back into it
And they have. Reads that we should have had a penalty, though?
They've just scored! No doubt they'll go onto win the game, as that's what champions do... Although, for the sake of Liverpool, I hope not!
Marco.
And they have. Reads that we should have had a penalty, though?
Did they use VAR?
Marco.
VAR turned it down, but at least 3 pundits said it was a clear handball.
I dreamt last night we won 4-1 so still time for that! :lol:
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Was it a wet dream?:eyebrows:
Marco.
No but it will be tonight if it comes true! 3-1 now... :)
And the PUKKIster SCORES!!:yay::thumbsup:
3-1 to the yellow fuckers:D
Marco.
Fooking get in! What a result with the injury woes we have - blinding!
Good for the,m.. Through Adversity to Strength
Fooking get in! What a result with the injury woes we have - blinding!
Damn right, mate. Liverpool are five points ahead now!!:yay::yay:
But I'm very pleased for ya:) And [slightly] sorry for Chris...;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
14-09-2019, 18:29
No but it will be tonight if it comes true! 3-1 now... :)
Your lot have had their sympathy quota for the next decade!
Stratmangler
14-09-2019, 18:30
Damn right, mate. Liverpool are five points ahead now!:yay::yay:
But I'm very pleased for ya:) And [slightly] sorry for Chris...;)
Marco.
Won the League have we?
We had all that bollocks last season :eyebrows:
No, no, not at all..... But, I'll take this [rather unexpected] result as a nice bonus:)
I haven't watched the game... So where did it go wrong for City? Unknown quantity perhaps, given that you hadn't played Norwich before? Pukki will score (and create) plenty this season, mark my words!
Marco.
Your lot have had their sympathy quota for the next decade!
:lol: Well, was expecting a mauling, but as we all know, football is a funny old game! We'll probably get thumped by Burnley next week!
Joking aside, the team spirit and "never say die" attitude that Farke has created is amazing really - I am sure we've ridden our luck today, so unlucky Man City, but I'm not complaining you've had an off day! :D
Stratmangler
14-09-2019, 18:42
Internationals is where is went wrong.
If I were paranoid I would claim that both UEFA and FIFA were conspiring against us.
Thankfully I'm not paranoid about it.
Nicholas Otamendi was directly to blame for the 3rd Norwich goal. That he'd had to fly in from LA after a fucking friendly has nothing to do with it!
Kyle Walker not being awake and just standing still didn't help either, 'cos the 2nd goal would have been offside if he had.
Well done Norwich City.
Stratmangler
14-09-2019, 18:45
:lol: Well, was expecting a mauling, but as we all know, football is a funny old game! We'll probably get thumped by Burnley next week!
Joking aside, the team spirit and "never say die" attitude that Farke has created is amazing really - I am sure we've ridden our luck today, so unlucky Man City, but I'm not complaining you've had an off day! :D
What can I say?
Well done!
It's a setback but it's early days.
We've come back from worse situations.
Sure, City will bounce back. Liverpool are still to have their first crisis, but as said earlier its a funny old game
What can I say?
Well done!
It's a setback but it's early days.
We've come back from worse situations.
Indeed, and I'll be rooting for you midweek agains Shakhtar, as I will all the British (and particularly Scottish) teams playing in Europe!:)
Marco.
Stratmangler
14-09-2019, 19:11
I dreamt last night we won 4-1 so still time for that! :lol:
A word of advice - you and the missus not using contraception 'cos you have crystal balls and can see what's coming ...... :eyebrows: :lol:
A word of advice - you and the missus not using contraception 'cos you have crystal balls and can see what's coming ...... :eyebrows: :lol:
:lol: (Although "Dr. Two-Bricks" has already sorted me out in that department!)
Dr Two Bricks?:hmm:
That one's flown past me... Care to elucidate? Do you mean you've had a wee snip-ette?:eyebrows:
Marco.
Good summary of the Norwich game yesterday, and two interesting interviews here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49703750
Farke: "We had a special plan and it worked".... Indeed! I like his style, and he certainly talks a good game.
Could two Germans combine to scupper City from taking the title this year? We'll see!:eyebrows:
This result has certainly sparked my interest in Norwich City games now even more....
Marco.
Dr Two Bricks?:hmm:
That one's flown past me... Care to elucidate? Do you mean you've had a wee snip-ette?:eyebrows:
Marco.
Exactly that! Comes from a joke about a Doctor using two bricks to do the job “does it hurt?” “Only if you get your thumbs trapped in between!” :eek:
its one way of achieving the goal :stalks: albeit a painful one...... old age is often an easier option, although not failsafe.:eyebrows:
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 10:37
Dr. Two Bricks :lol:
It reminds me of a story about a camel trader and his super long distance camels....
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 11:01
I wondered how long it would be before Vincent Kompany's departure would expose our defensive frailties even more.
The guy was a massive influence on the team when he was injured and unable to play, and an inspirational leader when he was on the field.
The way the fixtures pan out means that we have a potentially tricky match at Everton at the end of the month, and a fairly settled list of games all the way to November 9th (I'm sure that the time of the game will be changed, and possibly the date), when we play Liverpool at Anfield.
That gives us a fair bit of time to work on things.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Fernandinho step into the breach, and Stones move up to defensive mid.
We should see Mendy gradually being given game time as well, so that could give us further options.
Away to Shaktar next - that will be a tough one.
Exactly that! Comes from a joke about a Doctor using two bricks to do the job “does it hurt?” “Only if you get your thumbs trapped in between!” :eek:
Lol- haven't heard that one before:D
Marco.
I wondered how long it would be before Vincent Kompany's departure would expose our defensive frailties even more.
The guy was a massive influence on the team when he was injured and unable to play, and an inspirational leader when he was on the field.
The way the fixtures pan out means that we have a potentially tricky match at Everton at the end of the month, and a fairly settled list of games all the way to November 9th (I'm sure that the time of the game will be changed, and possibly the date), when we play Liverpool at Anfield.
That gives us a fair bit of time to work on things.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Fernandinho step into the breach, and Stones move up to defensive mid.
We should see Mendy gradually being given game time as well, so that could give us further options.
Away to Shaktar next - that will be a tough one.
Yeah, loads of football still to be played mate, and I'm sure you'll be winning many more games than you'll be losing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this three in a row you're going for? If so, and you achieve it, has that ever been done before in the EPL?
And yes, Shakhtar [don't forget the 'h';)] will be a tough nut to crack at home. We've played them there before a few times and they're very attacking minded and play at a high tempo. However, I think you'll have enough to win the game, and perhaps by a couple of goals.
Marco.
I wondered how long it would be before Vincent Kompany's departure would expose our defensive frailties even more.
The guy was a massive influence on the team when he was injured and unable to play, and an inspirational leader when he was on the field.
The way the fixtures pan out means that we have a potentially tricky match at Everton at the end of the month, and a fairly settled list of games all the way to November 9th (I'm sure that the time of the game will be changed, and possibly the date), when we play Liverpool at Anfield.
That gives us a fair bit of time to work on things.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Fernandinho step into the breach, and Stones move up to defensive mid.
We should see Mendy gradually being given game time as well, so that could give us further options.
Away to Shaktar next - that will be a tough one.
yup, if city have a accilies its their defence, especially for a tough no nonsense style you need sometimes in pl. Quality pl defenders are hard to find, hence why liverpool spent so much on dilk and utd on mcguire.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 11:35
Yeah, loads of football still to be played mate, and I'm sure you'll be winning many more games than you'll be losing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this three in a row you're going for? If so, and you achieve it, has that ever been done before in the EPL?
And yes, Shakhtar [don't forget the 'h';)] will be a tough nut to crack at home. We've played them there before a few times and they're very attacking minded and play at a high tempo. However, I think you'll have enough to win the game, and perhaps by a couple of goals.
Marco.
Three in a row has been done twice by United.
And yes, this our third consecutive title that we're chasing.
Ah I see, thought it was the third you were going for, so if you equalled Utd's record that would be quite significant, and which would set you up for beating it the following season... Sounds like good motivation to me to win it again this year!:)
Here's a question: what would you take if you were offered it this season: the league title (again) or winning the CL?
Marco.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 11:50
Here's a question: what would you take if you were offered it this season: the league title (again) or winning the CL?
League Title every time.
Champions League is a bonus.
does the owner agree tho.?? personally i'd happily lose a league at least once to bag the cl..
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 12:12
The Premier League is bread and butter.
Yeah Chris, I thought that might be the answer... What about if you were asked the same question again, after having won title number 4 (in a row)? Would having 5 titles mean more than a CL win? City have never won the CL, so that has to be a big priority for a club of their standing.
For me, with Celtic, when/if we secure 10-in-a-row, after that the priority will be achieving notable success in Europe, ahead of any doubles or trebles.
Of course, while there is only one qualifying place for the CL available in Scotland, winning the league title remains paramount, but if/once we get 10, I'd trade winning the league the following season, for reaching the last 16 of the CL or, say, the quarter-finals of the Europa League - or certainly anything greater than that!
Marco.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 12:53
Domestic League is bread and butter.
Because it's such a strong and competitive league the TV revenues are enormous, and the audience is worldwide.
The Premier League is where our priorities must always lie.
You sound like a parrot, lol:eyebrows:
Marco.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 13:10
You sound like a parrot, lol:eyebrows:
Marco.
It's nearly as tedious as listening to you droning on about Celtic's glorious past ;)
Much as it galls me to say it, if winning the Premier League and winning the Champions League in the same season is the sign of greatness, then the only great team in England is Manchester United.
Nobody else has done it.
And don't forget - the Premier League and The Champions League both came into being in 1992.
Prior to 1992 the European Cup was a knockout competition.
You have to temper things with United falling into being a shambles following Ferguson's retirement.
It's nearly as tedious as listening to you droning on about Celtic's glorious past ;)
Much as it galls me to say it, if winning the Premier League and winning the Champions League in the same season is the sign of greatness, then the only great team in England is Manchester United.
Nobody else has done it.
And don't forget - the Premier League and The Champions League both came into being in 1992.
Prior to 1992 the European Cup was a knockout competition.
You have to temper things with United falling into being a shambles following Ferguson's retirement.
what glorious past ;)
Fergie abandoned the rebuilding of the side for his own ends and cost the club years of problems
what glorious past ;)
Fergie abandoned the rebuilding of the side for his own ends and cost the club years of problems
I agree. Rangers have a more glorious past [being the operative word], considering that they're really only 7 years old!:ner::D;)
Thoroughly agree with your last point. Even if he'd left the club in a healthy position, it was always going to be impossible to emulate him.
Marco.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 13:41
what glorious past ;)
Fergie abandoned the rebuilding of the side for his own ends and cost the club years of problems
I suspect the Glazers theft of the club aggressive takeover on the stock markets might have had a large influence on what Ferguson could and could not do with respect to side building.
rmcin626
15-09-2019, 13:44
I agree. Rangers have a more glorious past [being the operative word], considering that they're really only 7 years old!:ner::D;)
Thoroughly agree with your last point. Even if he'd left the club in a healthy position, it was always going to be impossible to emulate him.
Marco.
We are either a team with a glorious past or a team that's doing not too bad for one that's only 7 years old.
It's nearly as tedious as listening to you droning on about Celtic's glorious past...
Ha - it wouldn't be just a past, if like you, we had been bought by a billionaire oil sheik, and had access to earning proper money in a much bigger league. Same applies to Rangers, btw.
Remind me again of how many fans you play in front of during home games?;)
Marco.
rmcin626
15-09-2019, 13:46
I agree. Rangers have a more glorious past [being the operative word], considering that they're really only 7 years old!:ner::D;)
Thoroughly agree with your last point. Even if he'd left the club in a healthy position, it was always going to be impossible to emulate him.
Marco.
We are either a team with a glorious past or a team that's doing not too bad for one that's only 7 years old.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 13:46
We are either a team with a glorious past or a team that's doing not too bad for one that's only 7 years old.
Where's that like button?
We are either a team with a glorious past or a team that's doing not too bad for one that's only 7 years old.
Lol - with respect mate, what exactly have you won during that time?
Marco.
rmcin626
15-09-2019, 13:54
Lol - with respect mate, what exactly have you won during that time?
Marco.
nothing worth talking about about, however to make the group stages of the Europa League for the last two seasons is a reasonable start from where we were.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 14:05
Ha - it wouldn't be just a past, if like you, we had been bought by a billionaire oil sheik, and had access to earning proper money in a bigger league.
Remind me again of how many fans you play in front of during home games?;)
Marco.
The Sheik's money has made it all possible, but it hasn't bought success. That had to be worked for, and it continues to be worked on.
Stadium capacity is currently 55,000ish, and attendances are not far short of that.
Expansion at the other end of the ground is on the cards, which will add another 7000 seats.
The official attendance record is 54,693 (Manchester City vs Leicester City, 6 February 2016), but attendances are often 54,000 plus.
The one thing I fail to understand is the 80 minuters - the folk that up and go home dead on 80 minutes, to "beat the crowds" - we've won many a game at the death, and yet they still do it :scratch:
nothing worth talking about about, however to make the group stages of the Europa League for the last two seasons is a reasonable start from where we were.
indeed, and to have secured such high profile men to run it, which is so welcome after all the crooks who were there... anyone who thought we would just return to the top immediately were just kidding themselves...
but we have improved out of sight since sg and co plus ma came
Ma?:scratch:
And btw, long may that improvement continue, as the stronger you lot get, the stronger we'll need to be to stay ahead... It's a knock-on effect I'm very much in favour of;)
Marco.
The Sheik's money has made it all possible, but it hasn't bought success. That had to be worked for, and it continues to be worked on.
That's highly debatable... I would argue that without his money, you wouldn't have been able to sign the players you have done, or attracted a top manager like Pep, all of which has significantly contributed to the success you've worked to achieve.
It would certainly have been very difficult otherwise, as it's no accident that the currently most successful clubs in the world have spent the most money.
The one thing I fail to understand is the 80 minuters - the folk that up and go home dead on 80 minutes, to "beat the crowds" - we've won many a game at the death, and yet they still do it :scratch:
Too many 'glory hunters' now within the ranks of the Man City fans, and who no doubt have 'better things to do' than support their team to the death, in the way of diehard REAL fans like you!:)
Marco.
mark allen
Is that what you guys call him? Lol...
Marco.
betting he will get the utd gig....eventually. they could do with one. Not sure who will replace him, but we have a reasonable length of time to find right match.
Obviously The guy at Southhampton would be but he turned it down last time so highly unlikey tbh.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 19:06
That's highly debatable... I would argue that without his money, you wouldn't have been able to sign the players you have done, or attracted a top manager like Pep, all of which has significantly contributed to the success you've worked to achieve.
It would certainly have been very difficult otherwise, as it's no accident that the currently most successful clubs in the world have spent the most money.
Too many 'glory hunters' now within the ranks of the Man City fans, and who no doubt have 'better things to do' than support their team to the death, in the way of diehard REAL fans like you!:)
Marco.
We've always had 80 minuters, so you you can stick the glory hunter nonsense in your pipe.
And you're right - without the the big money we wouldn't have signed the players we did early on in the Sheik's ownership.
It's interesting that we now turn down players when the agents start getting silly with the figures.
What the Sheik has brought to the table besides money is organisation and structure, and plans to build something effective and sustainable.
He's not in it for the short term.
We've always had 80 minuters, so you you can stick the glory hunter nonsense in your pipe.
Lol - well, if you've always had them, why are they a mystery to you [as stated in your previous post]? In all your years of going to games, have you never spoken to one?;)
And you're right - without the the big money we wouldn't have signed the players we did early on in the Sheik's ownership.
It's interesting that we now turn down players when the agents start getting silly with the figures.
What the Sheik has brought to the table besides money is organisation and structure, and plans to build something effective and sustainable.
He's not in it for the short term.
Yeah, fair enough, and quite right too - on both counts!:)
Marco.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 19:21
Lol - well, if you've always had them, why are they a mystery to you [as stated in your previous post]? In all your years of going to games, have you never spoken to one?;)
No, because they've always buggered off early :lol:
Most clubs have them. I will admit on occasion I've done it too.
Not if game was in balance tho. But mostly due to avoiding trouble
No, because they've always buggered off early :lol:
Heh-heh, but.... In all that time, one of them's bound to have sat/stood next to you, surely, so you could've asked them where the fuck they were going?:D
Marco.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 19:38
Heh-heh, but.... In all that time, one of them's bound to have sat/stood next to you, surely, so you could've asked them where the fuck they were going?:D
Not so often as to see a pattern emerging.
They must be making a run to the car park/tram stop/bus stop because you can't move quickly once the final whistle blows.
I chill, sit down after the game, and wait for just about everyone to leave the stand before I make a move towards the exit, and I'm normally driving off site an hour after the game. It's something that I've just grown to accept.
Read this interesting stat earlier on the BBC about Norwich V Man City (not that I'll keep harping on about the match for the next ten years, honest! :lol: ) - "Farke's starting line-up cost the princely sum of £6.45m while the champions were assembled at a cost of £406.1m." That really does underline the "David vs. Goliath" result. OK, promise I'll say no more now! ;)
Ha.... Surprised that Norwich have spent so little, TBH, as quite a few clubs in the Championship [where they've just come from] have spent big money. Heck, Celtic's first team is worth considerably more!
Not to worry, that'll change when the Premiership millions start rolling in;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 20:16
Read this interesting stat earlier on the BBC about Norwich V Man City (not that I'll keep harping on about the match for the next ten years, honest! :lol: ) - "Farke's starting line-up cost the princely sum of £6.45m while the champions were assembled at a cost of £406.1m." That really does underline the "David vs. Goliath" result. OK, promise I'll say no more now! ;)
It took you long enough to get round to mentioning that. Thanks for sweet FA :lol:
I have a question - how come your lot have so many injured players so early in the season?
Ha.... Surprised that Norwich have spent so little, TBH, as quite a few clubs in the Championship [where they've just come from] have spent big money.
Norwich are a club with no debt - I think that's Delia's doing - and as one of the "yo-yo" clubs, (we'll be the worst ever if we go down this season - for the record of being relegated five times) I think the board won't gamble on borrowing millions when we get promoted - and rightly so in my opinion, though you could argue that if we spend some dosh we'll stay up, but history has shown with other clubs that is a big gamble... Yes, you get the parachute payments, but unless you get back up straight away the wage bills will be crippling.
My biggest worry isn't so much the players we've lost (Maddison, Brady, Redmond to name the top 3) which we need to sell to keep afloat, but more so for what the future will hold - Pukki, obviously, will be a target - and others - but the manager too with what he's achieved will be on more than a few watchlists I would expect... :(
how come your lot have so many injured players so early in the season?
I just think it is down to bad luck, I guess when you have a relatively small squad the chances are higher, but I don't think there's a specific reason. :scratch:
Stratmangler
15-09-2019, 22:07
I just think it is down to bad luck, I guess when you have a relatively small squad the chances are higher, but I don't think there's a specific reason. :scratch:
I think it could be tied up with your reply to Marco.
When you play City, it's not just 11 players on the field.
The medics, the physios, the analysts, all of the support staff, that's who you're taking on.
You're talking a lot of people.
That we're successful is not left to chance.
Sometimes you come unstuck.
City actually have quite a small playing squad too, which is how Guardiola likes it.
I think it could be tied up with your reply to Marco.
When you play City, it's not just 11 players on the field.
The medics, the physios, the analysts, all of the support staff, that's who you're taking on.
You're talking a lot of people.
That we're successful is not left to chance.
Sometimes you come unstuck.
City actually have quite a small playing squad too, which is how Guardiola likes it.
Never really thought about that Chris, but makes a lot of sense. When you're a minnow, you don't realise the extra that goes into the success of a big club. Norwich just don't have the global support or glamour - but having said that, neither did Man City 20 years ago? So these things can change, but being situated in England's cul-de-sac doesn't help us.
Just watched MOTD2 and fabulous montage of Delia's "Let's be havin' you" half-time rally when you beat us despite her best efforts - seeing it again she'd definitely been taking too many sniffs of the cooking sherry! :lol:
Stratmangler
16-09-2019, 08:32
Never really thought about that Chris, but makes a lot of sense. When you're a minnow, you don't realise the extra that goes into the success of a big club. Norwich just don't have the global support or glamour - but having said that, neither did Man City 20 years ago? So these things can change, but being situated in England's cul-de-sac doesn't help us.
Just watched MOTD2 and fabulous montage of Delia's "Let's be havin' you" half-time rally when you beat us despite her best efforts - seeing it again she'd definitely been taking too many sniffs of the cooking sherry! :lol:
I don't anyone at City realised how much more was required to scale the heights.
The Sheik did, and went and put resources in place to do what was required.
It's just over 11 years since the takeover, and things have changed enormously, and changed very much for the better.
It has been an interesting, enjoyable, and occasionally frustrating ride.
You scale the heights, get the odd reality check slap down, pick yourself up, and carry on getting on with it.
Long may it continue :cool:
Delia is a star :D
Stratmangler
16-09-2019, 08:54
A Manchester City fan walks into a travel agent and asks which short breaks does the agent recommend.
Travel agent replies "The Canaries can't be beaten at this time of year" :o
A Manchester City fan walks into a travel agent and asks which short breaks does the agent recommend.
Travel agent replies "The Canaries can't be beaten at this time of year" :o
Love it! Good grace in defeat, as was your manager.
Still, all reset and we all go again next week. Onwards and upwards!
Good luck to all the British teams playing tonight in Europe, particularly Rangers and Celtic. We've got a tough match in Rennes, but I'm hopeful we can get at least a point.
I think Rangers will beat Feyenoord, and do it for Fernando. RIP and God bless.
Come on lads! :more::more::clap::clap:
Marco.
Yo daftees, where ur yeez?:hmm::D
Your team's just about to play arguably its biggest game of the season and you're nowhere to be seen.......
Anyway, we secured a [very hard fought] draw in Rennes, which will do nicely, especially as Cluj beat Lazio 1-2 in Italy!!:eek: Maybe them putting us out of the CL wasn't a fluke..
Ok, for one evening I'm a Rangers fan - come on!!:more::more:
Marco.
Been In bed. See we missed a pen.
That won't help, or will it. Playing the high press, it is the best way. Big helander in side too.
And there we have it.. Shey Ojo..
Glad to see you're ok! Where's Robin - maybe at the game?
Yup, you've recovered well from that penalty miss. So unlike Tav, whom you can normally put your mortgage on from the spot!
Superb goal from Ojo. At the moment there's only one team in it - and that's Rangers. Helander looks like quality, as I suspected he would be, and should've been in the team earlier!
Morelos is running them ragged, and was so close to scoring...... More goals to come!!
Marco.
Aye both hips and back gone.. [emoji23]. Ah well I knew it would happen.
Team seen to be doing OK. Morelos getting little protection either. Nowt new there either.
The Dutch will come out differently I'm sure.
Jeez - how MANY chances are Rangers going to miss...???:doh::eek:
They should be about 6-0 up! Let's hope they don't rue them...
Marco.
Fredo is destroying them in middle but the rest are fluffing there finishes.
Need a couple of subs
Barker might scare them pace wise
Phew... You made it! Well done:)
Marco.
1-0 it is.. 3 points and points make prizes.. A Stevie bonus. No one sent off
See you drew 1-1 away. Decent result. Rennes are a useful outfit
Yeah, and we should've won. Elyounoussi was inches away from giving us the lead in the first half, and we were denied a stonewall penalty in the second half, before the one we were given and scored from, then Christie could've won if for us in the last minute, but shot wide...
Good performance overall though, especially defensively, where Julien was once again immense, and Forster pulled off a couple of superb saves. Anyway, it's been a good start for both of our teams, so long may it continue!:cool:
Marco.
Stratmangler
19-09-2019, 21:27
Barker might scare them pace wise
I wondered where he'd gone.
I wondered where he'd gone.Picked him up pretty cheap from city. Good player and scored last week on debut
Stratmangler
19-09-2019, 22:24
Picked him up pretty cheap from city. Good player and scored last week on debut
He's a good player.
I saw quite a bit of him a few years ago, but he struggled a bit adapting to the next level of play, so he got sent out on loan and did the rounds.
I hope he does well for you.
rmcin626
19-09-2019, 22:29
Was out tonight unfortunately, just seen the highlights, if we win our home games we will progress, good away point for Celtic, so a decent night for both teams.
Ah, out enjoying yourself hopefully, not working?:)
Yeah good results last night for our teams. I'd have taken a point in Rennes if you'd given it to me beforehand, and I'm sure Neil Lennon would've. too... The shock result in our group was Cluj beating Lazio at home!:eek:
It proves that they're no mugs, and gives some more substance to their 'shock' defeat of Celtic. It's going to be a *very* interesting game when we play them next at Celtic Park....:eyebrows:
Btw, Chris, told you you'd beat Shakhtar by a few goals!;) Forgot to mention it.
Marco.
Stratmangler
20-09-2019, 08:14
Ah, out enjoying yourself hopefully, not working?:)
Yeah good results last night for our teams. I'd have taken a point in Rennes if you'd given it to me beforehand, and I'm sure Neil Lennon would've. too... The shock result in our group was Cluj beating Lazio at home!:eek:
It proves that they're no mugs, and gives some more substance to their 'shock' defeat of Celtic. It's going to be a *very* interesting game when we play them next at Celtic Park....:eyebrows:
Btw, Chris, told you you'd beat Shakhtar by a few goals!;) Forgot to mention it.
Marco.
They were quick on the break, but fairly toothless at the sharp end.
Our defence had a quiet night, and they only had one proper breakthrough, which ended up being directed at our keeper instead of either side of him.
Back to the grind - Watford tomorrow.
Yup - Norwich was just a 'blip'...;)
Marco.
Family are away to watch man City game tomorrow.. Tickets as it was the oldest birthday. Think they have been before..
Stratmangler
20-09-2019, 20:26
Family are away to watch man City game tomorrow.. Tickets as it was the oldest birthday. Think they have been before..
Tell them that the bright yellow thing in the sky is called The Sun, and this weekend is probably the last we'll see of it for a while.
Tell them that the bright yellow thing in the sky is called The Sun, and this weekend is probably the last we'll see of it for a while.
grandkids will be happy..5-0 up and only 20 mins gone...poor watford
Stratmangler
21-09-2019, 19:12
8-0 at full time.
We should have scored more - the only thing that stopped us was finishing inaccuracy.
Fair due to Watford - they kept coming at us when anyone else would park the bus and attempt damage limitation.
Preston on Tuesday night. Carabao Cup fixture.
Listening to the city game cycling along the canal today, it seems Kevin D was brilliant again according to mr Waddle. Nice to see Sergio pop another one in as well to keep up his record this season.
What a player he s been for city over the years. Bit of gallows humour from Watford fans as well it seems with minor hysteria erupting every time they touched the ball at one point. Bless.
Stratmangler
21-09-2019, 21:16
KdB was brilliant. It was only fair that he get his name on the scoresheet - He came bloody close to getting another couple for himself.
Sergio - what can I say? Today's goal was his 100th league goal for City at The Etihad. It's his 240th for the club in all competitions. Hungry until the end, he came came bloody close to getting another couple too.
It was good to see Benjamin Mendy get a decent run out, although he looked well off the pace.
It's no surprise, considering how long he's been out of contention because of knee injury.
A few months of gentle game time conditioning will do him good.
Also nice to see Angelino, Garcia, and Cancelo putting in decent preformances.
Just sitting down to watch the Rangers game against St Johnstone.. The new BT Sport Ultimate is bloody good!:)
March prediction: St Johnstone 1 Rangers 3.
Marco.
rmcin626
22-09-2019, 11:25
Just sitting down to watch the Rangers game against St Johnstone.. The new BT Sport Ultimate is bloody good!:)
March prediction: St Johnstone 1 Rangers 3.
Marco.
Just plain HD for me
Which TV services company are you with, Robin?
If you can get BT Sport HD, you should also get Ultimate. I'm with Virgin.
Marco.
rmcin626
22-09-2019, 11:49
Which TV services company are you with, Robin?
If you can get BT Sport HD, you should also get Ultimate. I'm with Virgin.
Marco.
Paying a small fortune for Virgin Marco
we will be met with a wall, then another wall.. its effective bit not really conducive to footy.. still if we can score 1 it will open up
Paying a small fortune for Virgin Marco
Well, if you are, flick it onto channel 531, for BT Sport Ultimate!:)
Marco.
we will be met with a wall, then another wall.. its effective bit not really conducive to footy.. still if we can score 1 it will open up
We face exactly the same, mate. Can't really expect the wee teams, especially at home, to do any different.
Marco.
rmcin626
22-09-2019, 12:03
Well, if you are, flick it onto channel 531, for BT Sport Ultimate!:)
Marco.
Didn’t know I had that, now switched
We face exactly the same, mate. Can't really expect the wee teams, especially at home, to do any different.
Marco.
first duty of the team at home. entertain the punters..that isnt entertainment. no wonder they have no fanbase now
Yeah, I *totally* agree, but it's also a results business, and they're desperate for points. Wait until you see the defensive wall Kilmarnock put up against us later at Celtic Park!
Anyway, St Johnstome could've been 1-0 up, through O'Halloran. McGregor made a great save.
I also note that Anthony Ralston, on loan from Celtic, is playing for Saints... He's a good player. Physically strong on the ball and quick.
Marco.
rmcin626
22-09-2019, 12:08
Not a great game so far, St Johnstone unlucky not to be leading, good save by the keeper
There you go, Morelos 0-1... Nowt to worry about! I'll stick by my earlier prediction.
Marco.
rmcin626
22-09-2019, 12:27
There you go, Morelos 0-1... Nowt to worry about! I'll stick by my earlier prediction.
Marco.
Well taken goal
Well, if you are, flick it onto channel 531, for BT Sport Ultimate!:)
Marco.
Whats ultimate about It, 4k ?. Do have bt sport myself { hd non 4k ) but not a virgin customer anyway so not qualifying I presume ?
rmcin626
22-09-2019, 13:16
4-0 good result
Hi Brian,
Ultimate replaces the old UHD. Yup, 4K high-def with Dolby Atmos surround sound... On a good AV system, it's like 'being there':)
Anyway, good result for Rangers. 0-4 in the end, although my prediction of 1-3 could've came to fruition, if St Johnstone had been awarded a goal that defo had crossed the line, and which may not have resulted in Rangers scoring their fourth...
Where is VAR when it's needed!:doh:
Marco.
na it couldnt have crossed the line :ner:
Lol - trust me it did... Watch the replays on the TV. In any case, it's immaterial. Good 2nd half performance, after a lacklustre start, which can often happen after playing in Europe in midweek.
Marco.
rmcin626
22-09-2019, 13:53
Lol - trust me it did... Watch the replays on the TV. In any case, it's immaterial. Good 2nd half performance, after a lacklustre start, which can often happen after playing in Europe in midweek.
Marco.
Without better technology we won’t know if the ball crossed the line, remember it’s the whole ball.
Sure I agree, which is why I think that VAR should be available for all SPL and EPL matches involving the top teams, plus European games. We've got the technology now to END all the speculation with these decisions, so it should be used!
And IMO, if VAR had been applied in the above instance, it would've shown that the whole of the ball (just) had crossed the line. Anyway, even if the goal had been given, it wouldn't have changed the result, as even at 3-1 Rangers would've been in full control and gone on to see out a victory.
We won 3-1 at home against Kille, despite going a goal behind, against the run of play. Superb second-half comeback, including a penalty save from Forster, who now he's match-sharp, is starting to look like the truly top keeper he's always been.
I think both of our teams suffered a bit of a euro hangover in the first half, but then our class shone through, to secure the 3 three points! I'll watch the Celtic game later on Celtic TV:cool:
Marco.
SG says the view across touchline was that it didnt go over, although ive not seen it... Im not a big fan of var, as it is inclined to break game up and takes the responsibility off refs to do their jobs. It would also appear that it gets it wrong about as often as it gets it right as tbh its just someone else making a decision
Utd 2 down now to W Ham... think Ole Gunner is gone now.... not up to task.... Utd badly need a DoF to get the club coordinated... The guys at top havent a clue quite frankly.
Utd 2 down now to W Ham... think Ole Gunner is gone now.... not up to task.... Utd badly need a DoF to get the club coordinated... The guys at top havent a clue quite frankly.
Yup, only seems 5 mins ago when HE was the man with all those great early results.... now he probably is the man, the man to get the boot
But thats footie for yer.
SG says the view across touchline was that it didnt go over, although ive not seen it... Im not a big fan of var, as it is inclined to break game up and takes the responsibility off refs to do their jobs. It would also appear that it gets it wrong about as often as it gets it right as tbh its just someone else making a decision
Sure, but I'm talking about purely from the POV of removing all element of doubt about goal-line decisions. Quite simply, just like in Tennis, VAR would prove conclusively, one way or another, whether the ball had crossed the line - and *that* is what it should be used for in all football matches, played at the top level domestically and in Europe, whenever such contentious situations occur.
Marco.
Well done to Rangers for pumping Aberdeen 5-0, which TBH, for them was long overdue! And in the process reducing our lead to one point, whist also improving their goal difference.
I had a funny feeling we'd drop points today on our bogey ground against Hibs, and it turned out to be the case with a 1-1 draw. We played ok and were denied a stonewall penalty in the second half, but Hibs thoroughly deserved their hard-fought draw, and were defensively very solid.
Lots of twists and turns to come yet this season, and I've seen nothing yet that suggests that the fight for the title won't go down to the wire... Anyway guys, enjoy it, as no doubt many other Rangers fans will tonight!:cool:
Marco.
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