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    Quote Originally Posted by costerdock View Post
    Not to mention the M5G is a very beautiful table on its own - so doing it to make it look more woodsy - doesn't make a whole lot of sense - besides that I cannot see the plinth really holding it back soundwise.
    I totally agree on all counts. If I was going to put it in a new plinth, wood (on its own) is not what I'd use.

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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

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    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    I wouldn't use wood either, but then the look of the M5G isn't to my taste either, too fussy.

    Unless one has experimented with changing the plinth (or any other part) I'll have to take opinion with a pinch of salt. It's all academic though as nobody does aftermarket plinths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Well, the motor unit certainly isn't, that's for sure!
    Well you say that, but you don't really know unless you have tried different direct drive solutions with all the other bits you have added bolted on.

    You've compared to an SP10, but presumably that had the stock bearing, bearing mounting plate, platter, power supply, feet etc. - what would it sound like with the same amount of care taken to improve it...
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    Looks, of course, are a matter of personal taste. I happen to like the look of the MK5G, although minus the (superfluous to requirements) pitch controls, it would be a lot better.

    Honestly, if I thought for one second that the plinth was significantly holding back the T/T's performance, I'd have done something about it. Quite clearly, however, it isn't, as otherwise the T/T couldn't possibly sound as good as it does!

    Why don't I bring it round to your place and you can have a listen for yourself, and compare it with your own?

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    Well you say that, but you don't really know unless you have tried different direct drive solutions with all the other bits you have added bolted on.
    Sure, but in life not everything is possible. Let's just say that experience tells me that the motor unit in the Techincs is, sonically, rather special. Nothing, however, is perfect.

    You've compared to an SP10, but presumably that had the stock bearing, bearing mounting plate, platter, power supply, feet etc. - what would it sound like with the same amount of care taken to improve it...
    I've compared my modded SL-1210 to about seven (very different) SP10s, and none of them made me go 'wow, I must have that', otherwise me being me, I'd have bought one by now

    Yes, undoubtedly a similarly (judiciously) modified SP10 would most likely be even better, but I don't see anyone currently producing the necessary bits you've mentioned to do it!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    As a mk5g owner myself I too think they look very nice indeed, particularly with the ebony armboard and Mikes ETP platter added. I dont mind the pitch slide as I dont think it spoils it. Like you though Marco I would consider removing it IF and only if the 'fill in' and finish was absolutely on point. Also with all the mods I've done and what I've heard from my own Techie, I've never sensed in anyway that the plinth was a hindrance of any kind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    What price are we talking Chris, and from whom?
    Sorry for being so late getting back to you Chris , had an incredible day yesterday ! Became a Grandad , a girl ,Ruby Mary Kate 8 pound 11 oz .

    Sorry for the thread drift .

    Between £500 and £1200 depending on spec and condition , A Mike New Bearing BBP and platter is about £1300 or so ?

    Like I said to you before ,I am finally happy with the way my 1210 is sounding (at last) but I don't think mine is any better than anyone else's 1210 or any other TT for that matter , I really don't care , its good enough for me at this moment , but if I was looking to spend that sort of money I would be looking at an SP10 or something similar rather than bodge around any further with my 1210 + it would make for a very top heavy system , I'm still looking at changing my speakers next .
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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    It's all academic though as nobody does aftermarket plinths.
    I think Robert at Inspire Audio might strongly disagree with you on that. He produces a very good well made plinth for the SL1200/1210 in any finish or colour you would wish for. He tried to sell me one when I bought my M5G from him. Like many here it wasn't to my taste.

    I also agree that the pitch control spoils the look of the deck and would gladly dispense with the device if I had the necessary skills to do so, but I haven't so it has to stay.
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    Hi Folks,
    I have chased up Dave of MRCU to answer your emails, he should have Base Plates and the bolts available by now.
    He says he is also getting ready to purchase another block of 10 bearings for all you lucky guys in the UK.

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    Excellent... Make sure that he definitely supplies the bolts (and 'distance pieces')! Remember that the latter are also rather important

    IMO, to eliminate any 'faffing about', the BBP should be supplied as a 'kit', consisting of the BBP itself, all necessary fixings and a tube of appropriate adhesive, so that the customer has to hand everything that he or she needs to do the job, with the minimum of fuss

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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