1210's! The jury is out.

[Wakefield Turntables]

[QUOTE=chris@panteg;391689]

Chris, can you explain to me what I should be listening for to try and detect when a record sound opaque? I'd like to see if my deck has this characteristic but dont have a clue what I should listening for



I would say like a thin veil drawn in front of the speakers , a slightly thickish quality to textures , I am being very critical perhaps , it still sounds good ! I won't make any more negative comments as it's not helping much .

OK, thanks for that I'll see If I pick up a similar effect tonight when listening.

[Marco]

Enjoy having a few beers, Steve! When you come back, if you could answer this, I'd be much obliged:

Also, which new bearing was used [Mike New, Timestep or Vantage Audio], and was the same arm and cartridge fitted to both T/Ts when the comparison was made?

Churz!

Could you also confirm if the Techy you heard was still fitted with its standard internal PSU? You didn't mention any PSU upgrade in your previous post. If that's the case, combined with the use of an SME V, it goes a long way to explaining what you heard from said Techy!

Marco.

Marco.

[Wakefield Turntables]

Somethings telling me that our esteemed leader is eager for a response

[Marco]

I hate 'loose ends'....

Come on, Stevie baby - let's be 'avin ya!

Marco.

[nat8808]

Very doubtful actually There are millions of 1200 series decks out there, so it's worth certain people devising mods for them as they are more than capable of excellent reproduction.

The same can't really be said of other similar decks, I own an Aiwa AP2600 which will show a stock 1210 it's heels in the quality reproduction race. You try & find stuff to modify it though, you'd need to go totally bespoke, which would cost a fortune

The only deck I can think of with so many possible upgrades is the LP12, but look at the price of the things

Very good point...

I suppose the only way around that is DIY and so limited by your own knowledge or lack of.

[pure sound]

I hate 'loose ends'....

Come on, Stevie baby - let's be 'avin ya!

Marco.

Marco, did you ever post your opinion of the LO7D and how that compared with your Technics? If so, can you put up a link to it?

[Marco]

Hi Guy,

It was like Mastermind, started but not finished....

However, there will be a 'Round 2' soon!

Marco.

[AlexM]

One thing you've got to love about the SL-1200 is it's relatively set-and-forget nature. No checking for spring bounce or audiophile paranoia necessary. Since I set mine up 18 months ago, I haven't touched or tweaked anything apart from ensuring that it was level when I moved it.

It is extremely consistent and fuss-free, unlike the previous belt-driven tables I've owned where things would degrade or drift all on their own. It sounds pretty bloody good with the mild mods I've applied in my system, and although I'm sure it could be bettered by other more tweaky turntables I am content to treat it like an appliance and just enjoy!.

Cheers,
Alex

[freefallrob]

I've just bought some new external tonearm wire for mine and some new plugs......oh dear....

[Jan_A]

I recently had the opportunity to listened to a fully modded Technics SL1210 in my system and it was really rather good. DD's tend to have that upbeat pace and grit that is sometimes welcome. however, my findings were that i was far more content with my belt driven Notts Analogue TT which has more body and soul. The 1210 is a sexy looking blighter no doubt and very boy racer to a point and it does what it does very well. But i can't help thinking that when i listen to music on my Nott's that is how it should sound. I have used a Nott's Analogue for over 12 years now and they just do what it says on the tin! They play music. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I think the jury is still out on the Technics. Hysterical snake oil methinks, a passing trend? My SL1500 is every bit as good sonically. Just to let you know, i have left the country for a while fearing reprisals. It's just fun guys remember, just fun!

Not quite sure what you mean - you said you "listened" to a SL-1210, this makes no sense without telling which tone arm and which cartridge used. You mention Notts Analogue TT, which arm + cartridge did this have ? We are at a level as; "I once tested a MB C class from 2001, it was very slow compared with my Fiat - MB bad, Fiat very good".

Apart from that, a turntable is not a violin, its a turntable - sound is fundamentally what arm+cartridge picks-up from the tracks, noise comes from the rest. If you prefer the sound mixed with the nostalgic noise added from a belt driven turntable ( wow/flutter included ), well no problem - we all have our taste