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    BTW the JVC TT looks tasty!

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    The one in the video posted by Mark would benefit from a better cartridge though

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    Enjoy having a few beers, Steve! When you come back, if you could answer this, I'd be much obliged:

    Also, which new bearing was used [Mike New, Timestep or Vantage Audio], and was the same arm and cartridge fitted to both T/Ts when the comparison was made?
    Churz!

    Could you also confirm if the Techy you heard was still fitted with its standard internal PSU? You didn't mention any PSU upgrade in your previous post. If that's the case, combined with the use of an SME V, it goes a long way to explaining what you heard from said Techy!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post

    It's well-known that modern SME arms aren't a good match for the Techy. Your 'mechanical' comment appears to back this up.
    Marco.
    Your wrong! Mine sounds excellent but thats personally opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@panteg View Post
    Hi Steve , It didn't sound overly dull/opaque or a touch bass heavy did it ? I ask as that's how I would describe mine at the moment and I use an SME 309 .
    +1 with a little bass heavy but I have a small listening room so I wonder if its the room and not the deck??
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    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE / MONO
    PRE
    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker





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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    Your wrong! Mine sounds excellent but thats personally opinion.



    +1 with a little bass heavy but I have a small listening room so I wonder if its the room and not the deck??
    That would be plausible Andrew , but simply comparing Sgt pepper and revolver on cd and vinyl tells me there is nowt wrong with my system or room , on cd they sound just how I expect them to sound , on vinyl they sound opaque and the bass draws attention to itself , not how George Martin intended I suspect ? Could it be what the SL1210 is sat on ? But it sounds the same through headphones .
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    Your wrong! Mine sounds excellent but thats personally opinion.
    LOL - we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. My feelings about magnesium-made SME arms, especially when used on Techies, are well-known!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@panteg View Post
    That would be plausible Andrew , but simply comparing Sgt pepper and revolver on cd and vinyl tells me there is nowt wrong with my system or room , on cd they sound just how I expect them to sound , on vinyl they sound opaque and the bass draws attention to itself , not how George Martin intended I suspect ? Could it be what the SL1210 is sat on ? But it sounds the same through headphones .
    Chris, can you explain to me what I should be listening for to try and detect when a record sound opaque? I'd like to see if my deck has this characteristic but dont have a clue what I should listening for

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    LOL - we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. My feelings about magnesium-made SME arms, especially when used on Techies, are well-known!

    Marco.
    Wondered how long it took before you bit Don't forget we have very similar decks, but paradoxically, markedly different in that my PCB has been recapped, I have a different tonearm board etc, and I got rid of all the 1210 bling, so on my deck the V could be a better match. I don't really care TBH I love my deck
    SS
    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE / MONO
    PRE
    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker





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    That's all that matters, matey

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    [QUOTE=REXTON;391598]Chris, can you explain to me what I should be listening for to try and detect when a record sound opaque? I'd like to see if my deck has this characteristic but dont have a clue what I should listening for



    I would say like a thin veil drawn in front of the speakers , a slightly thickish quality to textures , I am being very critical perhaps , it still sounds good ! I won't make any more negative comments as it's not helping much .
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

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    Well I have just returned to a Technics SL1200MK2, totally standard with a 2M BLUE fitted at present. This will be the third 1200 series I've had and this one is going no where!

    I must admit it's with much relief that I use this 1200 now, my inner person just says, ahhhhhh.....relax, when I drop the needle.

    Such good performance, build and usability for the money.

    I'm already thinking about mods


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