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    I just read a piece on the Technics 1200 mk6 , which of course never happened.
    The significant tweek seemed to be " improved damping to the motor".
    I would speculate the base plate would have a similar effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colinB View Post
    I just read a piece on the Technics 1200 mk6 , which of course never happened.
    The significant tweek seemed to be " improved damping to the motor".
    I would speculate the base plate would have a similar effect.
    Colin,

    Can you copy a link to this article?? It may well be that we could all use this tweek and improve our techies!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by colinB View Post
    I just read a piece on the Technics 1200 mk6 , which of course never happened.
    The significant tweek seemed to be " improved damping to the motor".
    I would speculate the base plate would have a similar effect.
    My personal SL1200 is a MK6 (black) which I got from Japan fitted for 120V which of course did not worry me. I had a close look at the PCB and could not detect any real difference between it and a MK5. In fact there seems to be no difference between the MK6 and the MK5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    Nice one, Westchester Mike. For some reason I missed this thread completely, but you may be interested in comparing your installation with mine - I think I may have Mike New's prototype version

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...988#post148988
    Hello Martin.

    I do not know the differences between the prototype versus the production type bearing base plate that Mike New is offering. Mike would be the source to go to if you are intruged to find out.

    I only went over it briefly, but Your thread looks like a condensed version of my thread.

    Your platter looks elevated from the base compared to mine. Perhaps you ordered the platter before or after purchasing the base plate? Nice work by the way!!!

    The one thing your thread is missing compared to mine (which may explain why your thread is a condensed version of my thread) is the geography lesson of your location. Remember - include pictures and exact co-ordinates when any of us wants to stop by to hear your Dynavector!!!

    Is an armboard manufactured to allow Dynavector arms to be used on the Technics?
    Anyone who thinks CDs sound better needs to listen to my system. Besides, my cables sound better than yours.

    Technics SL1200-MK2 SE-1: MN Bearing + Baseplate + AL/CU Platter, Paul Hynes SR7 Power Supply, Isonoe Feet, SME V, Audio Technica AT33EV, CableMaker 1 Tonearm Cable
    Technics SL1200-MK2 SE-2: MN Bearing + Baseplate, Copper Mat, Paul Hynes SR7 Power Supply, Isonoe Feet, SME 309, Audio Technica ATOC9/MLII, CableMaker 1 Tonearm Cable

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    Hi Mike

    Yes, the platter is elevated and I believe Mike has changed the design slightly since then so that it sits slightly lower.

    About the geography lesson - see, I just kept my head down and hoped that everyone knew where Basingstoke is. However, based on my visits to the US some of you guys don't even know where the UK is

    I had my arm board custom machined in Germany but I'm sure it could be reproduced without too much difficulty and the DV website gives all the dimensions and offsets. Do you fancy one?

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    Hi folks,
    In actual fact I can produce my Copper Bonded Alluminium Platters to any height, (whithin reason) The only restraining parameter is the subsequent weight. What I have tended to do for all users is to produce a platter which is about 2mm above the nominal height of the OEM platter.
    But remember my Bearing Base Plate has the affrect of raising the whole assembly up by 6mm by virue of it's thickness.

    The main constraint in regard to platter height (thickness) is the fact the higher we go the greater we move above the ideal level of the centre of gravity. The spindle taper really limits what we can do in this regard.
    My main objective is to get the centre of gravity as low as possible with respect to the existing design contraints.
    In this regard it would appear that I have been very successful , if one can judge from the number of happy users.

    I have designed a new bearing which would overcome these contraints, and in fact would protrude below the existing bearing well, ( a longer bearing) but the problem is that it would never be compatible with the existing geometry of the SL1200 system. For instance the taper diameter would be much larger and therefore both the bearing and a matching platter would have to be invested in at the one time, which would entail a much higher immediate investement cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_New View Post
    Hi folks,
    In actual fact I can produce my Copper Bonded Alluminium Platters to any height, (whithin reason) The only restraining parameter is the subsequent weight. What I have tended to do for all users is to produce a platter which is about 2mm above the nominal height of the OEM platter.
    But remember my Bearing Base Plate has the affrect of raising the whole assembly up by 6mm by virue of it's thickness.

    The main constraint in regard to platter height (thickness) is the fact the higher we go the greater we move above the ideal level of the centre of gravity. The spindle taper really limits what we can do in this regard.
    My main objective is to get the centre of gravity as low as possible with respect to the existing design contraints.
    In this regard it would appear that I have been very successful , if one can judge from the number of happy users.

    I have designed a new bearing which would overcome these contraints, and in fact would protrude below the existing bearing well, ( a longer bearing) but the problem is that it would never be compatible with the existing geometry of the SL1200 system. For instance the taper diameter would be much larger and therefore both the bearing and a matching platter would have to be invested in at the one time, which would entail a much higher immediate investement cost.
    And how many people are alredy lined up to buy Mikes new Bearing and Platter combo???
    Anyone who thinks CDs sound better needs to listen to my system. Besides, my cables sound better than yours.

    Technics SL1200-MK2 SE-1: MN Bearing + Baseplate + AL/CU Platter, Paul Hynes SR7 Power Supply, Isonoe Feet, SME V, Audio Technica AT33EV, CableMaker 1 Tonearm Cable
    Technics SL1200-MK2 SE-2: MN Bearing + Baseplate, Copper Mat, Paul Hynes SR7 Power Supply, Isonoe Feet, SME 309, Audio Technica ATOC9/MLII, CableMaker 1 Tonearm Cable

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    Hi Mike

    Yes, the platter is elevated and I believe Mike has changed the design slightly since then so that it sits slightly lower.

    About the geography lesson - see, I just kept my head down and hoped that everyone knew where Basingstoke is. However, based on my visits to the US some of you guys don't even know where the UK is

    I had my arm board custom machined in Germany but I'm sure it could be reproduced without too much difficulty and the DV website gives all the dimensions and offsets. Do you fancy one?
    My twins are quite happy with their SME arms installed. (I would have prefered a silver finish on the arms though.) Had I known that it would be possible to put a Dynavector on the Technics, I would have taken that route.

    Have you ever had a bakeoff between an SME versus your Dynavector? If so, what were the results?

    And of course all Americans know that the UK is located somewhere in Great Britiain, which is located on the 5th planet of our Solar System. (And some people think the world is round. Sheesh...)
    Anyone who thinks CDs sound better needs to listen to my system. Besides, my cables sound better than yours.

    Technics SL1200-MK2 SE-1: MN Bearing + Baseplate + AL/CU Platter, Paul Hynes SR7 Power Supply, Isonoe Feet, SME V, Audio Technica AT33EV, CableMaker 1 Tonearm Cable
    Technics SL1200-MK2 SE-2: MN Bearing + Baseplate, Copper Mat, Paul Hynes SR7 Power Supply, Isonoe Feet, SME 309, Audio Technica ATOC9/MLII, CableMaker 1 Tonearm Cable

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    Quote Originally Posted by CableMaker1 View Post
    Have you ever had a bakeoff between an SME versus your Dynavector? If so, what were the results?
    Not directly, no. I used to have an SME IV and a thing of beauty it was, too. However, it never achieved the kind of awesome sound that the DV creates, albeit on a different deck.

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    How does the Dynavector handle warps? My only complaint performance wise about the SME vs. the Technics is that the SME does not handle warps well.
    Anyone who thinks CDs sound better needs to listen to my system. Besides, my cables sound better than yours.

    Technics SL1200-MK2 SE-1: MN Bearing + Baseplate + AL/CU Platter, Paul Hynes SR7 Power Supply, Isonoe Feet, SME V, Audio Technica AT33EV, CableMaker 1 Tonearm Cable
    Technics SL1200-MK2 SE-2: MN Bearing + Baseplate, Copper Mat, Paul Hynes SR7 Power Supply, Isonoe Feet, SME 309, Audio Technica ATOC9/MLII, CableMaker 1 Tonearm Cable

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