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    Quote Originally Posted by HighFidelityGuy View Post
    With an amp input impedance of 100K you have a lot of options. Firstly I would recommend that you browse back through this thread and find the diagram that shows how to insert the caps into the opamp board sockets. Basically you remove the opamp board and insert the cap legs into the left hand socket. Doing the mod this way makes it easily reversible.

    Next I would recommend that you familiarise your self with the cap value calculators HERE. Looking at the calculator on the right, you need to enter your input impedance in ohms (100000) and then decide how low you want your bass to go. I'd recommend that the highest value you enter in the Hz box is 10Hz. You can go all the way down below 1Hz if you like but there's not much point. There's more info on all that earlier in the thread. So if you put in 100000 ohms and 10Hz you get a cap value of 0.16uF. That means you need to look for caps that are 0.16 or higher. However there's not much point going above 22uF as that will give you a bass roll-off frequency of 0.72Hz. Don't worry if you can't find the exact value of cap recommended by the calculator. A close value will be fine.

    Now that you know the cap value you need to decide the cap type. You mainly want to concentrate on non-polar caps, sometimes called bi-polar. Electrolytic caps are the worst type for this application but they're the smallest and cheapest and some do sound pretty darn good. There aren't many non-polar electrolytic's. Seen as you are able to use low value caps I'd recommend you look at film caps like polypropylene, polyester, teflon etc. They all sound a bit different. The only downsides are that they're bigger and more expensive. Teflon's are some of the most expensive but arguably the best. Some people like oil impregnated caps. These can be good but pricey. You would not believe how expensive some teflon and oil caps get. I'm talking £1000+ for some crazy ones.

    On the subject of voltage ratings; anything from about 6V upwards is fine. Some film caps have ratings over 1000V which is also fine. Just remember that the bigger the cap, the bigger the cap leads. Leads above about 0.8-1mm probably won't fit in the sockets.

    The choice of caps is mainly down to the price you want to pay and whether you want to be able to replace the cover or not.

    THESE are some of the best electrolytic caps and are a great entry point to see if you like the passive sound. THESE film caps are highly regarded and are good value.

    ClarityCap's are also good value, as are the Mundorf Supreme. Elna electrolytic's don't seem to work well in this application, so avoid them.

    Another tip is to avoid branded caps from foreign countries on eBay. There are lots of fakes around.

    Happy cap rolling.
    Wow,cheers dave,that's exactly the type of info needed.I have now had a browse through the thread and now have a better understanding,please don't test me though .

    I tried the calculator but it doesn't seem to want to calculate,so i'll go with the calculation you did at 10Hz for now.

    I don't think i'll be spending £1000+ on crazy caps,I've spent a little over that on my whole system

    I might leave it a week or two,as the caiman has just finished burning in fully so want to get used to the stock sound before i go changing things around.
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    Good advice from Dave there. I'd add a vote for ClarityCaps, they are great for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kininigin View Post
    Wow,cheers dave,that's exactly the type of info needed.I have now had a browse through the thread and now have a better understanding,please don't test me though .

    I tried the calculator but it doesn't seem to want to calculate,so i'll go with the calculation you did at 10Hz for now.

    I don't think i'll be spending £1000+ on crazy caps,I've spent a little over that on my whole system

    I might leave it a week or two,as the caiman has just finished burning in fully so want to get used to the stock sound before i go changing things around.
    No probs.

    If your Caiman is brand new then I definitely recommend that you let it run in for at least 200 hours before you start trying mods. The Caiman takes an unusually long time to run in and the sound quality can fluctuate quite a bit during the run in period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    Good advice from Dave there. I'd add a vote for ClarityCaps, they are great for the money.
    I had been leaning towards them or the mundorf's as they are not wallet busting and appear small enough to close the lid on.

    Quote Originally Posted by HighFidelityGuy View Post
    No probs.

    If your Caiman is brand new then I definitely recommend that you let it run in for at least 200 hours before you start trying mods. The Caiman takes an unusually long time to run in and the sound quality can fluctuate quite a bit during the run in period.
    Well,it's second hand and the guy i bought it off used the usb input but assured me it was well run-in on the coaxial input but clearly it wasn't(unless he meant input 2).It's been sounding good the last week or so.

    Probaly will leave it a couple more weeks,but knowing how good the gator board was in my last dac,it's tempting just to do it straight away.
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    well my impatience got the better of me and i ordered some claritycap's from the SA range with values of 0.47uF,630V.

    They turned up today,so i decided to fit them but the lead out wires seem to be too big and i didn't want to force too much.

    I take it others have used these caps,so how did you fit them?
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    I tried one pair (nit these though) that were a little too big, so just filed them down a little with a flat needle file - worked for me.
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    Or you could scrape the leads with a stanley knife or solder thinner wire to the end.
    Make sure you insulate the leads too so they don't short on anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_UK View Post
    I tried one pair (nit these though) that were a little too big, so just filed them down a little with a flat needle file - worked for me.
    Makes sense,not sure i have a file about the house though.

    So let the search begin.

    Quote Originally Posted by HighFidelityGuy View Post
    Or you could scrape the leads with a stanley knife or solder thinner wire to the end.
    Make sure you insulate the leads too so they don't short on anything.
    I do have a solder iron,what sort of wire would be suitable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kininigin View Post
    Makes sense,not sure i have a file about the house
    If you've got a Missus, nick one of her nail files or emery boards! Any bit of old abrasive paper will work, but take a bit longer. Last resort, go outside and rub them on a brick or concrete paving slab - anything abrasive will do, and you're not too worried about a perfect finish for this...
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    So decided to scrape the wire with some wire cutters i've got.

    Started to push it in to see if i'd scraped enough,was a little tight still so pulled it out along with the black plastic housing which has now split in half

    Not sure what to do now
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