Goodbye HiFi Wigwam

[worthingpagan]

grow up

[Audioman]

Unacceptable to whom?

The Wams AUP which was written by the forum owner & shapes what is wanted & expected on that forum said "Bad language is allowed!!!! If you do not like this, please do not join the Wam"

If you were offended you shouldn't of joined after you read the AUP!!! I take it you did read the AUP?

I assume you've been out on boys nights out & took part in the banter? Sometimes it can get close to the knuckle, but it's pretty meangless really!

All the wammers I've met & people from other forums have been very nice face to face! Things do sometimes get heated on the forums, but slapping people is far more basic than a swear word or two!!!

There is a difference between verbal banter with the odd swear word and putting it in writing. I don't find it particularly offensive even on the forum except that an internet forum is not just viewed by you and your mates but anyone who comes upon it including children. Perhaps it needed a warning and over 18 declaration like a porn site. The overall impression I got was it degenerated into a sort of Hi-Fi Club 18-30. Perhaps getting too old but this sort of thing comes over as quite juvenile to a lot of people.

[Effem]

Unacceptable to whom?

The Wams AUP which was written by the forum owner & shapes what is wanted & expected on that forum said "Bad language is allowed!!!! If you do not like this, please do not join the Wam"

Any forum is owned by the membership and I don't ever recall being asked if I found words like "C*UNT" being displayed in the largest font, in bold and a bright red colour splattered across my screen. I and many others repeatedly asked for just this one word to be kept off limits because my wife who was also an active member in the early days found it deeply offensive, plus other members were very concerned about their wives and children looking over their shoulders at the screen looking at such language. At the end of the day it was an open public forum and that means you have to be aware that "anything goes" is only appropriate when it is a closed membership organisation where the public are kept away.

If you were offended you shouldn't of joined after you read the AUP!!! I take it you did read the AUP?

Most people naturally assume they are communicating with like-minded hi-fi enthusiasts, but if it said "F*uck off stupid c*unt forum" instead of "Hifiwigwam" then nobody would be surprised at what they found.

I assume you've been out on boys nights out & took part in the banter? Sometimes it can get close to the knuckle, but it's pretty meangless really!

I can mix it with the rest of them, but I will go out to a spit and sawdust four ale bar for that kind of banter.

All the wammers I've met & people from other forums have been very nice face to face! Things do sometimes get heated on the forums, but slapping people is far more basic than a swear word or two!!!

No doubt about that, I have met some top class folks too over the years and one of the biggest cynics is a real gent when met in the flesh, but why that was an impossible thing to be when behind a screen and keyboard? Why do these same people turn into a baying pack when someone asks a perfectly legitimate, normal and innocent question about . . . . . hifi on a hifi forum?

[technobear]

I thought it acceptable here as it is one of smilies the forum supply to be used!

That smiley is an indication to others that the poster is a bit of a sad sack.

I think you're the first person ever to use it

[worthingpagan]

Any forum is owned by the membership and I don't ever recall being asked if I found words like "C*UNT" being displayed in the largest font, in bold and a bright red colour splattered across my screen. I and many others repeatedly asked for just this one word to be kept off limits because my wife who was also an active member in the early days found it deeply offensive, plus other members were very concerned about their wives and children looking over their shoulders at the screen looking at such language. At the end of the day it was an open public forum and that means you have to be aware that "anything goes" is only appropriate when it is a closed membership organisation where the public are kept away.



Most people naturally assume they are communicating with like-minded hi-fi enthusiasts, but if it said "F*uck off stupid c*unt forum" instead of "Hifiwigwam" then nobody would be surprised at what they found.



I can mix it with the rest of them, but I will go out to a spit and sawdust four ale bar for that kind of banter.



No doubt about that, I have met some top class folks too over the years and one of the biggest cynics is a real gent when met in the flesh, but why that was an impossible thing to be when behind a screen and keyboard? Why do these same people turn into a baying pack when someone asks a perfectly legitimate, normal and innocent question about . . . . . hifi on a hifi forum?

Well said mate

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

A very nice offer Richard, however we don't all live in the smoke, if an event is going to happen over a weekend like Scalford then it'll turn out quite expensive for people to bring their kit down to show, far better set up an event in the Midlands and just off a major motorway like the M1 or A1, people won't mind travelling if it only takes a maximum of a couple of hours. In my opinion an enthusiasts event, which Scalford is, works in part because of it's location, being not too far away from anywhere in particular, and staying there or in the surrounding area doesn't break the bank either. Maybe these are the reasons why the event you sponsored didn't work.

It didn't work because of a few things, Wigwam refused to advertise, and the member were downright rude about it as they saw it as some sort of rip-off event so they made trouble for it on any forum they could. BUT the point is that Scalford is not a unique event, they could be organised in every major centre of population, the way commercial Hi-Fi Shows used to be and in some case still are. AND as they die (and they will) so the hobbyist / enthusiast will take up the reigns as is now happening in forums about other industry information aspects. Also I refuse to lie down when being attacked and not defended as should be by forum AUP so I have a bad rep with some and have upset and alienated some people, as has continued here a little. ANYWAY everyone who attended sang the praises of the format (different to Scalford) and the way the show informed and helped people.

http://thelondonbakeoffshow.110mb.com/

Scalford doesn't, and shouldn't have a monopoly, I for one was asking for them at least two years before the first year of Scalford and was largely shouted down, so we come full circle and the same people now think the idea is theirs and unique If you are keen then go out find a hotel in the area you want and then come here with costing and see what the members think. But one forum is not enough, other will have to allow promotion.

I could see this being done in all major population centres - London conurbation, W Midland conurbation, E Midland conurbation, Liverpool / Manchester conurbation, W Yorkshire conurbation and Glasgow. Even mini ones like extended bake-off in local hotel in less populated areas can be organised - the more the merrier. You just cut the cloth to fit the event. If I am toooo controversial to make it work I would happily duck out of it.

[chelsea]

It didn't work because of a few things, Wigwam refused to advertise, and the member were downright rude about it as they saw it as some sort of rip-off event so they made trouble for it on any forum they could. BUT the point is that Scalford is not a unique event, they could be organised in every major centre of population, the way commercial Hi-Fi Shows used to be and in some case still are. AND as they die (and they will) so the hobbyist / enthusiast will take up the reigns as is now happening in forums about other industry information aspects. Also I refuse to lie down when being attacked and not defended as should be by forum AUP so I have a bad rep with some and have upset and alienated some people, as has continued here a little. ANYWAY everyone who attended sang the praises of the format (different to Scalford) and the way the show informed and helped people.

http://thelondonbakeoffshow.110mb.com/

Scalford doesn't, and shouldn't have a monopoly, I for one was asking for them at least two years before the first year of Scalford and was largely shouted down, so we come full circle and the same people now think the idea is theirs and unique If you are keen then go out find a hotel in the area you want and then come here with costing and see what the members think. But one forum is not enough, other will have to allow promotion.

I could see this being done in all major population centres - London conurbation, W Midland conurbation, E Midland conurbation, Liverpool / Manchester conurbation, W Yorkshire conurbation and Glasgow. Even mini ones like extended bake-off in local hotel in less populated can be organised - the more the merrier. You just cut the cloth to fit the event. If I am toooo controversial to make it work I would happily duck out of it.

Were else in the uk can you see/hear hi fi from the 50s upto todays offering.

As for easy to organise from the people i've spoke to it was a LOT of work.

[alfie2902]

There is a difference between verbal banter with the odd swear word and putting it in writing. I don't find it particularly offensive even on the forum except that an internet forum is not just viewed by you and your mates but anyone who comes upon it including children. Perhaps it needed a warning and over 18 declaration like a porn site. The overall impression I got was it degenerated into a sort of Hi-Fi Club 18-30. Perhaps getting too old but this sort of thing comes over as quite juvenile to a lot of people.

I do agree that perhaps it should have an over 18 declaration! Some threads are marked as 'not suitable to be open around children or at work' & that perhaps helps a little. I would think though that people supervise there children while on the internet or at least have filters in place!

Perhaps the Wam is juvenile, could be all us men are having a mid-life crisis & are trying to hang to our youth But you either choose to read the forum or you choose not to! If you don't like it don't read it

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Were else in the uk can you see/hear hi fi from the 50s upto todays offering.

As for easy to organise from the people i've spoke to it was a LOT of work.

Because they made it a lot of work. It can be done a lot simpler, it seems they just wanted to faff.

It is not unique for the very reasons I said, I did one last year and anyone / forum can do one, all it needs is the will.

[alfie2902]

Any forum is owned by the membership and I don't ever recall being asked if I found words like "C*UNT" being displayed in the largest font, in bold and a bright red colour splattered across my screen. I and many others repeatedly asked for just this one word to be kept off limits because my wife who was also an active member in the early days found it deeply offensive, plus other members were very concerned about their wives and children looking over their shoulders at the screen looking at such language. At the end of the day it was an open public forum and that means you have to be aware that "anything goes" is only appropriate when it is a closed membership organisation where the public are kept away.



Most people naturally assume they are communicating with like-minded hi-fi enthusiasts, but if it said "F*uck off stupid c*unt forum" instead of "Hifiwigwam" then nobody would be surprised at what they found.



I can mix it with the rest of them, but I will go out to a spit and sawdust four ale bar for that kind of banter.



No doubt about that, I have met some top class folks too over the years and one of the biggest cynics is a real gent when met in the flesh, but why that was an impossible thing to be when behind a screen and keyboard? Why do these same people turn into a baying pack when someone asks a perfectly legitimate, normal and innocent question about . . . . . hifi on a hifi forum?

Frank, the Wam is owned by James! Just as AoS is owned by Marco! We are just their guests, If need be either can ban me, I can't ban them & neither can any of the membership! It is their choice on what happens on their forum James pulling the plug pretty much tells you this!!!

As you say you visit a spit & sawdust pub when you want that expierence & that sort of banter! So why should forums be different? you visit the one or ones that fit the expierence you are looking for!

If you don't like the spit & sawdust pub then don't visit! I am though old enough to make my own choice which pub I visit & sometimes the Wam fits!