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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    Jazzy should remember a certain LP12/SME V and Kiseki Agat Ruby combo from yesteryear. god, that set sounded good A 309 with Troika headshell trounced a similarly priced Ittok/Troika too, although it dodn't sell because it wasn't judged "kosher."

    Nah, I LOVE SME's except for one thing - the cachet prices they charge for everything these days. thank heavens for the Jelco 750
    Hi DaveO old mate, sorry my reply is coming in a couple of days late but I move slowly nowadays at about 33.3 rpm and slowing down as opposed to 45rpm in my 'yoooof' Yes, I well remember that marriage of an LP12 plus SME and Kesiki, it was for that man who regularly did the Beford to Brighton run stopping off in London for a shopping bag of Jazz CDs, man was I envious. The SME mounted on a Linn LP12 was not an easy job, and you still bare the grooves on your forehead from fiddle arseing around with suspension springs, bounce etc. At the time, the 80s, it was blaspheme akin to having a woman cardinal at the Vatican! One thing the SME does have is Leica type build which all in our circle greatly admired and lusted after. But not all are of the persuasion and Marco doesn't like the SME with tomato ketchup, ermm, that could be SPUDS

    Before I aimlessly meander off and demagnatise myself with a Furetech bristle or three, I think we have drifted off course here and should get back into giving Chris P support and encourage persistence with his Tekko, faint heart never won etc.

    Tooroo for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzBones View Post
    Before I aimlessly meander off and demagnatise myself with a Furetech bristle or three, I think we have drifted off course here and should get back into giving Chris P support and encourage persistence with his Tekko, faint heart never won etc.

    Tooroo for now

    Jazz, identifiable as Ron
    MODS: please delete this post if the language is too strong but my old boss always used to say after lunch: " Well, lets get back to it boys, feint heart never fucked a pig!"
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    Lol - you're fine, Darren. Most amusing!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren View Post
    MODS: please delete this post if the language is too strong but my old boss always used to say after lunch: " Well, lets get back to it boys, feint heart never fucked a pig!"
    Darren, there was a new dimension to breakfast this morning, my egg and bacon were scrutinised more than usual for any trace of your boss, he wasn't Danish by any chance? I've gone off the idea of having pork chops for dinner now!

    Jazz/Ron

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzBones View Post
    Darren, there was a new dimension to breakfast this morning, my egg and bacon were scrutinised more than usual for any trace of your boss, he wasn't Danish by any chance? I've gone off the idea of having pork chops for dinner now!

    Jazz/Ron




    Mind you, this one might help get your appetite back. I suppose the only question is "why would you?"



    Sorry for the thread drift!
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    Pop a couple of scampi on her nips, and you've got a whole new take on 'surf 'n' turf'!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_UK View Post




    Mind you, this one might help get your appetite back. I suppose the only question is "why would you?"



    Sorry for the thread drift!
    Well ding and dangle my dongle, I wondered what all the kafuffle was at my Morrison's meat counter, I thought it was just crashing trollies

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    Can i just say , it was a rather rash and frustrated comment ! That has more to do with cartridge set up than any synergy , this is all a bit daft but in my own defense i did try and point out that i was getting a better balanced sound in another post .

    I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition lol .

    Now running a 1042 on loan from Strat , what a top bloke .
    Chris

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    Lol - I think it was the comments you made on pfm, like this:

    And to be honest i think i've kidding myself as to this deck's [the Techy's] abilities and perhaps have been chasing fool's gold...
    ....that raised the alarm bells, dude!!

    Anyway, you know we're only here to help, and so I'm glad things are looking up a bit now

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    So how much does the synergy cost?

    2nd hand 1210 in good nick - £250 - £300?

    How much per item for:
    arm,
    external cable,
    internal rewire,
    headshell,
    arm collar,
    mat,
    feet,
    PSU,
    bearing,
    platter,
    platter mat,
    cart,
    stabiliser / puck?

    Depending on cart:
    Heavier counterweight
    phono stage / preamp / SUT

    Anything I've missed thats needed to get the synergy right?
    Jason
    Technics SP10,(Jelco)LAD Tonearm,Pickering XV15/625e,Herbie's mat; Technics Sl1210 Mk5/Mission 774SM/DL160; Techncs SL1210/Ortofon VMS20eMKII;Technics SL1210Mk2, Jelco(LAD) tonearm, Nagaoka MP20, Platter matter; Technics SL7, P22
    Other Carts:
    AT120e, AT440MLa, AT110e,Goldring 1****,
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