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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant View Post
    I'll be open to suggestions
    Mark, see if you can get hold of a service manual and especially a circuit diagram. We'll all chip in to a different thread and help you get the PSU right for the Aiwa.

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    Marco and I obviously hear slightly differently and there is also the fact that I am much more familiar with my system than he is, meaning that he can possibly hear things that my brain has just accepted.
    Yup, I'd say that was an accurate and fair observation. If ever a T/T was crying out for an SR5-21, though - it's yours! There audio nirvana lies....

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    If ever a T/T was crying out for an SR5-21, though - it's yours! There audio nirvana lies....
    Audio nirvana is coming my way around mid-November, according to Paul Hynes' work schedule

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaN View Post
    Am I missing something? This seems to be about power suppplies rather than platters.

    I have to say that I am entirely unconvinced by the supposed benefit of raising platter mass.
    Mark ' i don't think its really a question of extra mass being a benefit ' in fact i or anyone else for that matter cannot be sure if it is ? but the SP10 mk3 has a platter weighing around 9 kg and requires a very beefy psu .

    A friend of mine (Paul) has just bought a Tommy Hornings design ' with a very high mass platter , with an SME V (Kondo wired) and EMT cartridge , and astonishingly he has an Audionote IO gold sat in his draw.

    I'm very keen to hear this as i still think a Lexan platter like in the Voyd was better, but who know's.
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

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    I've just reduced the mass of the platter on my deck (though the flywheel effect is still quite high).

    It's not a Techics 1200/10 though.
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    The Techies and many other direct drives that were reviewed for this almost all showed a feedback sensitivity in the mid bass (80Hz) region and this at its worst used to give the characteristic "thick toned" bass of so many of these decks at the time.

    I'm sure that today, with better supports dramatically improving isolation, this bass issue can be readily tamed. Adding mass to the platter is one way of re-tuning things, but surely someone will do a complete new base to fix the remaining Techie bits (coil assemblies mostly I suspect) to.
    I can't go on and I can't go back, I don't feel so matter of fact,
    I tried and tried to make good sense, What's the good to try it all again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    Mark, see if you can get hold of a service manual and especially a circuit diagram. We'll all chip in to a different thread and help you get the PSU right for the Aiwa.
    All i can find is people asking questions, there is no information out there that i can find

    If push comes to shove i'll trace out the circuit myself, it wouldn't be the first time

    Anyway, this is all future stuff so back to the subject at hand
    Bests, Mark



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    Some of the music we listened to (in no particular order):

    Harry Belafonte - Live in Concert at the Carnegie Hall (1959 and a fabulous recording)
    Rickie Lee Jones - eponymous
    Rickie Lee Jones - Girl at her Volcano EP
    Frank Sinatra - Sinatra at the Sands (Marco brought it along and I now have it too)
    Steely Dan - Gaucho
    Jeff Buckley - Sketches for My Sweetheart The Drunk
    Grace Jones - Nightclubbing
    The Eagles - Hotel California
    Btw, just to add to the list of some of the music I remember we listened to that I brought down:

    Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble - Couldn't Stand the Weather.

    Shirley Bassey - The Fabulous Shirley Bassey (original album on Columbia from 1959).

    [The recording quality on this album is fabulous (like the Harry Belafonte of Martin's) and in comparison puts to shame most of the crap produced nowadays!]

    Nina Simone - Wild is the Wind.

    The Robert Cray Band - False Accusations.

    If I remember anything else, I'll add it to the list

    Incidentally, due to other commitments, it's looking like part 2 of the review will now be posted tomorrow.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Just to pick up on a point Mark (RM) made earlier:

    Hi Marco, apologies but i found it mildly amusing simply because there is naff all information out there on this deck of mine. I went searching for a decent image & all i got was AoS stuff. This was no doubt because i own one & post on here, so all sort of AoS images came up...
    Yep, and it's a reflection of our Google rankings these days

    So always remember that what you write here is liable to be read by a great deal of people!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Hi Dave,

    Your last post has been made into a separate thead and moved into Analogue Art:

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8055

    I will get to it later!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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