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Hi Val,Quote:
Originally Posted by Val33
Mr wood I'm sure, builds very good amplifiers, that's why I placed an order with him after reading glowing reports on the Wam, I'm also sure he's passionate about what he does, however, he's certainly not honest.
So, Geoffrey, what do you intend to do about my offer? If you accept it, I will contact John and see if he’s in agreement.
Then we can hopefully bring this sorry mess to an end without any further involvement from the courts! :)
Marco.
Hi Marco,Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
thank you, it's very kind of you, however, I doubt that Mr Wood will be interested to be honest.
Well, we’ll soon find out when I phone him! ;)
Marco.
Even so Geoff, the door is open a crack so surely it would be worth taking a peek, don't you think? :) This way the transaction is facilitated through a trusted third party thus neatly sidestepping the aura of personal mistrust which has developed between yourself and John. It needs the two of you to subscribe to this in order to finally put this nightmare to rest...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle owl
Any progress with getting this concluded?
Nope, because I’ve still to get hold of John - been too busy. Don’t worry, I’ll update the thread as soon as I’ve made contact with him :)
Marco.
I can think of a sales director of a manufacturer of little active speakers that has felt this way about dealers and customers for twenty five years or so - and went online-selling as a result. Fortunately for him, their products are generally extremely reliable and long lived, but 'party' the products at your peril if they've been 'developed further' since purchase!Quote:
Originally Posted by Val33
Sad for me, because the products do have merit IMO...
Yes, Ashley James of AVI (and his even more ‘ancient’ side-kick, JC) fit that grossly arrogant and dogmatic business model rather well :)
They’re very lucky that there’s a market currently for their boring little ‘speakerettes’!
Marco.
They'll be 'Legacy' products next year, and nobody at AVI will want to know when they go tits up, or someone needs something as simple as a manual!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Ain’t that the truth! :D
Marco.
Still awaiting a reply from John to my email…. I’ll give him until the weekend and then try phoning him.
Marco.
Just read this entire thread, absolutely shocking treatment and bleeding glaringly obvious that the amp guy doesn't want to pay a penny.
This will cost him dear BTW.
Marco you know how I was treated in a similar fashion by a similar operator although in saying that I do believe the guy I had the problem with did have serious issues and genuinely got himself into a really bad situation however to this day he has never apologised and I am a bit ashamed to say that I sold his amp as soon as I could becuase I had no faith in the on-going warranty or customer service issues.
Geoff don't fuck about with this guy, go for the jugular and go back to court for a bankruptcy order as Paul Stewart suggested.
Best of luck OP.
Tony
BTW, who in thier right mind would send a £1400 amp back to a conman and a liar without the money up front?
Thank you Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotone
I contacted the County Court bailiff's office yesterday morning and was told they'd attended Mr Wood's address recently, the person they spoke to said he no longer lived there.
Did they believe that....they must have been fed that line so many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle owl
Just had this in from John this morning (don’t really know what to make of it):
From that, it doesn’t seem that he wants to go down the route I’ve suggested….Quote:
Originally Posted by John Wood
Marco.
Silly man! What little reputation he might have been clinging on to just wafted out the window... :doh:
Hi Geoff, sorry mate but it looks as though you've landed a right slippery bstard so there's only two options open to you now, well three actually, you can let it drop, go the legal route to the bitter end or sell on the debt .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle owl
Really feel for you mate.
Personally I would try to get some money back by getting the amp repaired properly then selling it on and taking the hit on it and at least that way you will get some money back but don't let the court thing come to an end even if you do nothing in that regard make sure that you fight him every step of the way if he goes to court.
Good luck
Tony
Marco your fighting a losing battle with the guy, you've done all you can mate which, reading the thread, has been above and beyond the call but the guy is just using you now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
He sounds like a complete headcase to me, it will be very very difficult to get money out this guy IMO probably because he ain't got any.
Regards
Tony
Aye they probably have which means that the buyer/OP has to move on to the next stage Clive which means escalating the legal process or letting the thing drop, at the end of the day it's all about money and costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clive
I went through a similar thing this year with a customer of mine who became completely entrenched and refused point blank to take legal advice three times from solicitors I had employed to try to resolve the situation (debt) and then she finally saw sense when the one of the solictors pointed out how much her intransigence was going to cost her. This took her a year to accept and cost me and my insurance company (it's a long story) about £2,000 over a relatively small debt.
With civil proceedings such as this one of the OP's there is only ever going to be one winner and that ain't going to be either of the two protaganists.
Personally I would have let the solicitors get on with the case and bankrupted the guy if that's what it took to get a resolution but that would undoubtedly have cost a good deal more than the cost of the amp.
Tony
The OP can apply for a charging order to secure his debt against Mr Wood's house if he owns it or a share in it. There are many steps to take before a charging order is made and registered at the Land Registry. If he then tries to force a sale of the property, there are more hurdles to overcome which may not result in him securing an order for sale. Have a look at this very helpful guide by the CAB.
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/wales/...ing_orders.htm
The OP could also serve a statutory demand, the first step to make Mr Wood bankrupt, but this combined with the cost of bankruptcy proceedings may only serve to increase the debt and not get the OP his money.
https://www.gov.uk/statutory-demands/overview
The best thing he can do is apply to the court for a hearing to attempt to ascertain if Mr Wood is worth pursuing further.
http://justclaim.co.uk/court-forms/N...estioning.html
Sorry - I have to say this but have neither of you heard of the telephone ?
Seriously this has reached almost comedy show script status now - a number of seriously experienced and very helpful well-meaning individuals have offered to step up and help the pair of you and you STILL refuse to compromise???
Am I the only one here who has lost all sympathy with this?
Honestly I really don't care that that the law has been involved with this - it is and always has been an ass.
The two of you should really be able to resolve this now or just let the whole thing go.
I'm not sure but sometimes you just have to write things off as a very bad experience and move forward with your life. OK, it leaves a very bitter taste when someone has basically taken you for a grand or more and there seems very little you can do to get that money back but you have to be really careful that what you are not trying to do is get your own back.
If there is a way forward with the law on your side then seriously good luck to you, I hope you get the full amount back but somehow I doubt that you will. I tend to think that this was a big mistake and it has cost you a great deal of money which you have lost. I suggest we all live and learn and move on just as I did when I bought a Chinese valve amplifier and CD player that lasted only two years and cost me around 800 quid combined.
I doubt it. It's a shame that the buyer doesn't get what he paid for but there's intransigence on both sides here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lodgesound
Don't see it myself, I would be pretty f@cked off if I had paid for a new amp/tv/car or whatever and it turned out to be second hand and was faulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by sq225917
No there's serious dishonesty at work here and not from the OP who deserves all of the sympathy and I say this as a one man band of 25 years dealing with the public.
Don't get me wrong with some of them you could knock seven shades out of them for the pish they come away with but that doesn't appear to be the case here.
Tony
Very diffucult to communicate when all trust has broken down I'm afraid even worse when solictors become involved and once it reaches court there's really no way back from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lodgesound
+1, completely agree, in the OP's position I would be seriously upset and annoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotone
Couldn't agree more. Dedicate too much of your life to getting even and the rest of it will pass you by, even though a grand is a lot to kiss goodbye. On the other matter, Mr Wood doesn't seem that proficient at answering the telephone (or even the door for that matter).Quote:
Originally Posted by Haselsh1
No, from what I've seen here my sympathy lies entirely with the OP and I'd guess we can all take away a few lessons from having read this thread.
The OP has been cheated. John Wood has his money. I would not let it go if I could afford to fight him; and I could! You don't have to follow this if you don't want too, but personally I have never liked cheats or bullies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lodgesound
Like others I would now strongly advise against buying from John Wood, so the man has ruined his reputation by being stupid.
Hello guys,
I've received a letter from the Nottingham bailiff the contents of which are as follows.
To the Creditor
TAKE NOTICE that the WARRANT in this action has not been executed for the following reasons:-
The bailiff visited the debtor's address which you provided but was told by the occupant that the debtor had left.
The debtor has left no saleable goods there. Local enquiries have not indicated the debtor's whereabouts or movements and the bailiff has no information about where the debtor may be. In the circumstances the bailiff cannot do more unless you are able to provide further information to re-issue the warrant (for example, the debtor's new address) . You may have to pay a fee to re-issue the warrant.
The warrant has been returned to the court which issued it.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do now, I don't really want to throw more money at the case as there's no guarantee I will ever get the money owed to me by Mr Wood. I may just take the hit and put it down to one of life's bad experiences which occur from time to time. I'm tempted to smash the amplifier with a large, heavy hammer and dump the remains at the local tip.
I would like to thank everyone who has shown support for me in this thread and offered advice, I would also like to thank Marco for allowing this thread and offering to be a mediator.
Best wishes
Geoff.
Don't give up on it. People like this need to get their commupence otherwise they just carry on and do it to someone else. Unless he is an expert with a few quid behind him (and I doubt it) he will not be able to vanish without trace. If you haven't already done it get the High Court Sheriff involved.
Quite surprised by some of the posts here suggesting there is fault on both sides. The fact is that the matter could have been settled by Wood returning the money and Geoff returning the amplifier via a trusted third party (Marco). Wood refused to go along with that, making it pretty clear who is in the wrong here.
If you want to take it further through the court then I would suggest you look at my last post regarding getting Mr Wood to court to ascertain his financial position. However, in order to do that he has to be served with the application. The bailiff is happy with the information given to him by a third party (wife?) that he does not live there. The bailiff will not be able to serve the application to get him to court. You would have to ascertain where he is before being able to pursue the matter further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle owl
If it were me I would not bother to take the matter further. By doing so it keeps the sense of injustice alive (in the vain hope that you will get justice) and which festers and will only serve to make you unhappy.
Your suggestion of a hammer is probably the best. Get a good weighty lump hammer, not a silly panel pin job:D
Although it may be tempting to smash it to bits Geoff, and god knows I don't think any of us would blame you if you did, why not bite the bullet and cast around to see if someone on here can take a look at the amp for you to see what needs doing to bring it up to standard? That way if it is an easy fix you will end up with a functioning amp you can keep or sell on, either way it will help soften the blow somewhat ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle owl
Yep. I can ask Nick if he'll have a look at it for you?
I know you 've had a lot of hassle over it, but don' t cut your nose off to spite your face.
+1. :goodluck:Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
100% agree with this. You could get a quote for fixing it anyway from a commercial repairer. At least you would know where you stand. Alan on here (Firebottle) would probably take 5 minutes to suss out what is wrong with it and I'm sure there are others well qualified to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by synsei
Yes, I think I would get someone to look at it, it may well be repairable. Sell the debt on if you can and move on.
Why not get one of the BBC consumer programs involved like RIP Off Britain, Watch Dog - it would be something different for them to get involved in - just a thought.
Regards Neil
I'm happy to chip a 'donation' in for 'legal' fees.
I hate cnuts like this amp guy.
Tony
By taking the matter further? Or choosing not to take the matter further?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
Taking the matter further keeps it alive in your mind with all the stresses that that can involve. It would stress me out and I used to take people to court for a living!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrei
I don't post on here very often these days, but I just had to make an exception in this case.
Don't let the sod get away with it! I had a similar problem with a debtor not paying in the past. I elevated it to the High Court and sent in the Sheriffs. Those chaps can easily differentiate between 'can't pay and won't pay'. I used an outfit like this to track the debtor down:
http://www.findermonkey.co.uk/debtor...FSuWtAodGCQAWA
I got paid all the money owed, plus all costs.
Make his life a misery, just as he's done to you. Good luck!
hi all,
Well, just come back to this thread after being away for a little while, i can only Sympathise with Geoff, and for what its worth, i would like to appologise to him for doubting him in all this, And as a good will gesture, if you can get the amp to me, then i would be happy to inspect it, and offer my services to help in repairing it. :)
Anthony,TD...
I would definitely take Anthony up on that, Geoff! :)
Marco.
nice gesture Anthony....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyTD
Aye spot on Anthony...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by struth
Thank you, that's a kind offer Tony but I couldn't possibly accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotone
Nice offer Anthony , that's what this forum is all about .
No apology is necessary Anthony but thank you anyway. I may take you up on your offer in respect of the amp in the future, thank you again.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyTD
I still can't decide on the way forward, however, I contacted the company that allocates cases to the High Court Enforcement Agents featured in the television programme 'Can't Pay ? We'll Take It Away' and the following is part of their reply.
Dear Geoffrey,
Thank you for your enquiry.
In order for us to obtain a High Court Writ of Control the County Court Judgment needs to be under 6 years old and for a value of not less than £600.00 including Court costs.
Should you wish to proceed you will need to complete the attached Instruction form and return this to us along with a copy of the County Court Judgment and anything else that you feel may help our High Court Enforcement Agent in his pursuit of the debt. We will also require a Court fee payment of £60.00 per case.
Once we receive your instruction we will obtain the sealed Court paperwork for you and allocate the case out to one of our High Court Enforcement Agents for execution.
The Debtor pays our fees in full.
If we are unsuccessful there will be a cost of £90.00 inclusive of VAT, however the Writ is ‘live’ for a year so we do always try our best to obtain payment from the Debtor.
Should you not have an enforcement address for the Defendant we are able to undertake an address trace for £25.00 plus VAT on 'no trace, no fee' basis or an in-depth trace for £45.00 plus VAT again on a 'no trace, no fee' basis.
I have attached a trace instruction form should you need to use this service.
Should you have any additional questions or queries, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Kind regards