Yes, I will review the bearing when I've received it. Xmas pressie for me!
I was enjoying the Kraftwerk shootout... :)
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Yes, I will review the bearing when I've received it. Xmas pressie for me!
I was enjoying the Kraftwerk shootout... :)
Guy's a question to everyone with a 1200 in any form using the stock bearing .
Have you ever oiled the main bearing and if so how often .
You see i did mine yesterday (1st time since JAN) and:eek: it was as though my techy had gone out of focus ' sounding a bit smeared , .
It was quite a shock ' i do realize now that the new timestep and Mike New offering will eliminate this inconsistency ' although the stock bearing sounds great but i think ' Technics every 2'000 hours is way off the mark ' for me more like every 6 months or less .
Any thoughts guy's .
The standard bearing appears to have the cutout that originally fed the auto-cam on the old auto models (1300/1400 mk2 etc). My SL-150 bearing is totally enclosed although I suspect it's the same inside. A drop or two on the thrust pad *shouldn't* leech away but if you use too much, it will (I learned from my horology interest).
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSCF0462.jpg
Chris - I haven't tried oiling my bearing but only because my SL-1210 is only about six months old. I'm not going to disturb it now until I get the Mike New bearing.
Hey, that was my 500th post!
Do I get the equivalent of an eBay blue star?
Congrats, Martin! When you get to 5000, we might consider it! :lol:
In the meantime, would like a custom-user title of some description to commemorate your small but significant landmark? :)
Marco.
Aww, thanks Marco. I feel properly initiated now.
I passed 1000 without even noticing it... :(
It's all about quality, Dimitri :)
You're welcome :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
If anyone else would like a custom user-title, just ask!
Marco.
I would like to hear from those who went from the stock bearing to the Timestep bearing and what the differences were.
I'm quite happy with the stock bearing, however, I am always looking for ways to make this table sing better.
Is this a worthwhile upgrade :scratch:
I believe Chris of this parish is using the Timestep bearing.
Yes i have the Timestep bearing ' its a very good value for money upgrade, just take into consideration its not suitable for use with the Mike New heavy platter ! as i understand it.
In my opinion it improves the bass quite markedly , being clearer and more controlled but also a much better sense of depth and clarity , more space around everything, alowing you to follow the various strands in the music.
In fact i would say i think it could be all you need ,add in a better psu and arm+cart of your choice , the right mat and just sit back and take it no further .
I just think that with the Mike New bearing and platter ,another £1100 or so pushes it into SP10 price range and unless convinced otherwise ' that despite the servicing cost and so on is a superior option ! but that's just my Opinion .
My deck with the mods i have done is still less than a Spacedeck which the current version retails for around £1200 give or take , mine less arm is just a shade under £1000 .
1210 £320
Timestep psu £300
Bearing £150
Isonoe feet £90
Mat £80
Actually quite a bit less £940 and for the money an excellent table , the Bearing upgrade is no brainer but i strongly recommend getting an outboard psu with it:)
Hi 'dogpile',
Welcome to AOS :)
What's your first name? When you get a chance, please add it to the signature on your profile. Thanks, and enjoy! :cool:
Marco.
Chris. Thanks for the detailed comments on the Timestep bearing. I want the bearing and psu but can't decide which yet (can't afford both right now).
- Can you tell me if the Timestep spindle is longer than the Technics?
- Do you think the psu will have a greater impact and sonic improvement over the bearing mod?
Thanks :cool:
Hi
What is your 1st name BTW , Dogpile kind of reminds too much of what happened last sunday after 3 pm lol.
The bearing is a straight swap , no difference in length as Dave uses the the original bearing housing ' you drop in a PTFE pad and ceramic ball, 10 drops or so of oil and finally the spiindle shaft ' which is a very tight fit , then run in for about 80 hours for maximum improvement.
The PSU makes a bigger improvement as it not only improves the deck but also the cartridge as the built in psu gives off a magnectic field , whcich does no favours for an MC especially .
If funds are a little tight ' the bearing mod is a great place to start i recommend it wholeheartedly , 2 points! don't put too much oil in or if you do make sure you clean off the excess , 2nd point when removing the platter press down lightly on the spindle otherwise the bearing will come out with the platter , but dave provides all the instructions anyway.
I think you will like it , then save up for the PSU perhaps the HE version will be worth the extra .
Chris. Thanks for the advice and comments... you've convinced me. I will start saving and get both.
PS. You mentioned the HE version. Any experience with this psu? I can't seem to find any info from users.
:cheers:
Hi Harry
Well its probably just a well to go for the standard version , but here is a recent thread with some pics ' there are of course other psu's to consider such as the Paul Hynes .
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6369
I quite don't remember if Marco said that in same thread, but which Paul Hynes' PSU fit the SL 1200?Quote:
Originally Posted by chris@panteg
He has many with different prices:
http://www.paulhynesdesign.com/index.html
It's the SR3 or SR5 PSU for the Techie :)
Marco.
Can he supply them in kit form for us impoverished paupers? ;)
Uhm... I can't find them on the Pauls' web site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
But if the SR2 costs 510 GBP, I can guess the SR3/SR5 should cost much more. Is that right?
http://www.stantondj.com/v2/prod_st150.asp
Do any of you have a Stanton 150 turntable? It seems to be made by the same people as the technics and look very similar.
So similar, I would bet it has the same bearing & platter..
Could it accomodate an outboard power supply and a custom bearing and platter??
very curious about the Stanton
Yves
Hi Giovanni,
I'm not sure that's right in terms of cost. Best to PM Paul and check - he's a member here and very helpful :)Quote:
Uhm... I can't find them on the Pauls' web site.
But if the SR2 costs 510 GBP, I can guess the SR3/SR5 should cost much more. Is that right?
Marco.
Yves, just read this thread, and you'll get your answer ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Citation16
Marco, you know I got the Soundhifi HE I (Dave Cawley will upgrade to II for free), not too long ago, so I'm not changing it (...well, not in the short term).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Anyway, I think it is a good thing, for all the forumers willing to buy a new PSU for their SL 1200, to know the cost/benefit ratio. To me is not enough to say "PSU X is better than PSU Y", if X costs the double of Y, well, maybe I'll get Y...
*BUT* (this is the point) I'll be very happy if X is better than Y *AND* costs the same or less. ;)
he sounds pretty damn confident about the HE and even MORE confident about the HEii ... tis interesting
(trying not to be a spokes person)
'He' who ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamish
OT: wow Hamish, wonderful photos you did :stalks:
SR3 £125 kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSJR
Well he would be, Hamish. Dave's never exactly been 'shy' about proclaiming his Technics mods as best!! He is, after all, the self-proclaimed 'World's leading SL-1200 expert'!! ;)Quote:
he sounds pretty damn confident about the HE and even MORE confident about the HEii ... tis interesting
(trying not to be a spokes person)
IME, sometimes his mods are best, sometimes not. When I think they are the best I acknowledge them as such, and equally so when, IMO, they are not. I am no-one's loyal 'fanboy', and so I like to keep my options open. Experience shows it usually provides dividends.
It certainly did when I decided to audition the Paul Hynes SR3, which in my system, quite frankly, grossly outperforms the stock Timestep PSU, excellent though it is in its own right. Sometimes certain people have the edge in areas of design over others, and in my experience so far, Paul's T/T PSU designs are superior to Dave's.
I've no doubt whatsoever that the HE (and HEii - why not just build the best he can first time and be done with it? :scratch:) are excellent products and significantly improve the performance of the SL-1200/1210. Dave will certainly have put a lot of R&D into their design.
However, as ever, the proof of the pudding is in the listening, so I will judge the HE (and HEii when it is available) against the Paul Hynes SR5 and the Tube Distinctions Revelation, and as ever form my own opinion from practical experience before arriving at any definitive opinions on which is best - and in the end it will only be 'best' to my ears in the context of my system :)
Marco.
I just past 100.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Maybe there should be a Bronze Medallion for 100+, Silver for 1000+ and Gold for 10,000+?
Just a thought.:eyebrows:
I'm a little further along now and still no stars, medallions or even handwritten tick :(
The higher the post count, the tighter the straight-jacket will be when the men in black suits come to call.
There's a special outfit on its way when you get to 2000! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinT
Marco.
Do we all get one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Aren't you allergic to taffeta, shweety? :eyebrows:
Marco.
Hmm, I've seen what they did to Adrian Brody in "The Jacket"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco