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  1. #161
    Join Date: Jun 2010

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    Default Stock 1200 bearing vs. Timestep bearing

    I would like to hear from those who went from the stock bearing to the Timestep bearing and what the differences were.

    I'm quite happy with the stock bearing, however, I am always looking for ways to make this table sing better.

    Is this a worthwhile upgrade
    Harry.

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    I believe Chris of this parish is using the Timestep bearing.

  3. #163
    Join Date: Nov 2008

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    Yes i have the Timestep bearing ' its a very good value for money upgrade, just take into consideration its not suitable for use with the Mike New heavy platter ! as i understand it.

    In my opinion it improves the bass quite markedly , being clearer and more controlled but also a much better sense of depth and clarity , more space around everything, alowing you to follow the various strands in the music.

    In fact i would say i think it could be all you need ,add in a better psu and arm+cart of your choice , the right mat and just sit back and take it no further .

    I just think that with the Mike New bearing and platter ,another £1100 or so pushes it into SP10 price range and unless convinced otherwise ' that despite the servicing cost and so on is a superior option ! but that's just my Opinion .

    My deck with the mods i have done is still less than a Spacedeck which the current version retails for around £1200 give or take , mine less arm is just a shade under £1000 .

    1210 £320

    Timestep psu £300
    Bearing £150
    Isonoe feet £90
    Mat £80

    Actually quite a bit less £940 and for the money an excellent table , the Bearing upgrade is no brainer but i strongly recommend getting an outboard psu with it
    Last edited by chris@panteg; 28-06-2010 at 09:50.
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

  4. #164
    Join Date: Jan 2008

    Location: Wrexham, North Wales, UK

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    Hi 'dogpile',

    Welcome to AOS

    What's your first name? When you get a chance, please add it to the signature on your profile. Thanks, and enjoy!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  5. #165
    Join Date: Jun 2010

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    Chris. Thanks for the detailed comments on the Timestep bearing. I want the bearing and psu but can't decide which yet (can't afford both right now).

    - Can you tell me if the Timestep spindle is longer than the Technics?

    - Do you think the psu will have a greater impact and sonic improvement over the bearing mod?

    Thanks
    Harry.

  6. #166
    Join Date: Nov 2008

    Location: Banbury, Oxfordshire/Panteg is where my late father was born

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    I'm Chris.

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    Hi
    What is your 1st name BTW , Dogpile kind of reminds too much of what happened last sunday after 3 pm lol.

    The bearing is a straight swap , no difference in length as Dave uses the the original bearing housing ' you drop in a PTFE pad and ceramic ball, 10 drops or so of oil and finally the spiindle shaft ' which is a very tight fit , then run in for about 80 hours for maximum improvement.

    The PSU makes a bigger improvement as it not only improves the deck but also the cartridge as the built in psu gives off a magnectic field , whcich does no favours for an MC especially .

    If funds are a little tight ' the bearing mod is a great place to start i recommend it wholeheartedly , 2 points! don't put too much oil in or if you do make sure you clean off the excess , 2nd point when removing the platter press down lightly on the spindle otherwise the bearing will come out with the platter , but dave provides all the instructions anyway.

    I think you will like it , then save up for the PSU perhaps the HE version will be worth the extra .
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

  7. #167
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    Chris. Thanks for the advice and comments... you've convinced me. I will start saving and get both.

    PS. You mentioned the HE version. Any experience with this psu? I can't seem to find any info from users.

    Harry.

  8. #168
    Join Date: Nov 2008

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    Hi Harry

    Well its probably just a well to go for the standard version , but here is a recent thread with some pics ' there are of course other psu's to consider such as the Paul Hynes .

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6369
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

  9. #169
    Join Date: Feb 2010

    Location: Salerno, ITALY

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    I'm Giovanni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@panteg View Post
    Hi Harry

    Well its probably just a well to go for the standard version , but here is a recent thread with some pics ' there are of course other psu's to consider such as the Paul Hynes .

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6369
    I quite don't remember if Marco said that in same thread, but which Paul Hynes' PSU fit the SL 1200?
    He has many with different prices:
    http://www.paulhynesdesign.com/index.html
    Giovanni.

  10. #170
    Join Date: Jan 2008

    Location: Wrexham, North Wales, UK

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    It's the SR3 or SR5 PSU for the Techie

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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