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Vrajbasi
05-09-2018, 20:32
Turntables are for me the most interesting bits of Hifi look look at, what does one consider the most Beautiful and the most ugliest turntable ever made.
Beobloke
05-09-2018, 20:47
I still think the Michell Gyrodec is one of the best looking decks ever made.
As to the ugliest, it’s a long list!
Most beautiful:
Thorens TD124/II
https://theartofsound.net/images/barrydhunt/001.jpg?t=1277843066
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Qz8AAOSwtfhYpXTt/s-l300.jpg
Luxman PD121 and PD131
http://www.vinylengine.com/images/model/luxman_pd444.jpg
and several B&O designs.
Ugly:
Empire 598 'Troubador'
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/hobie1dog/Facebook/AudioVideo%20photos/1934673_1033445845153_6699746_n.jpg
and
Bordereau Schlumberger TD222-2
http://www.stefanopasini.it/images/Schlumberger.jpg
B&O 4000 tt was one of the best looking I Suppose the transcriptor or whatever it was, in the movie a clockwork orange, was one of the most iconic
Vrajbasi
05-09-2018, 21:07
I still think the Michell Gyrodec is one of the best looking decks ever made.
As to the ugliest, it’s a long list!
John Michell was certainly a cleaver chapie with the design of the Gyro his design has proven to be timeless and continues to sell in reasonably high numbers mostly I have been told due to its looks, the price is still reasonable for a Uk design and is certainly in line with inflation calculator.
Vrajbasi
05-09-2018, 21:09
Any one seen a spj la luce? seen as beautiful by many
I still think the Michell Gyrodec is one of the best looking decks ever made.
As to the ugliest, it’s a long list!
+1
Tempted to get a spinning weights platter again for my deck just for the looks!
+1
Tempted to get a spinning weights platter again for my deck just for the looks!
Good plan. [emoji3]
My jbe is quite attractive too
Vrajbasi
05-09-2018, 21:42
For me my Sme 30/12 is not exactly beautiful erring on ugly with its o rings etc kind of industrial, of all the sme turntables I kind of like the model 15 as it has some shape but not can be described as beautiful. The kronos is certainly not pretty, I like the bergman turntables for there clean lines. The Kodo beat I have on loan is quite nice looking but not in white.
walpurgis
05-09-2018, 21:58
Micro Seiki turned out some turntables I thought were gorgeous.
This is the BL-111. Lovely looking thing.
http://i67.tinypic.com/1z8brl.jpg
The strange 'arch' in the front is a reflection I think.
Vrajbasi
05-09-2018, 22:04
Micro Seiki turned out some turntables I thought were gorgeous.
This is the BL-111. Lovely looking thing.
http://i67.tinypic.com/1z8brl.jpg
The strange 'arch' in the front is a reflection I think.
They certainly did and each model had its own charm my 8000 mk2 is not as pretty though.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 06:03
I like the look of the Kuzma stabi xl I had the xl4 with four motors which looses its shape, the newer XL DC is good looking in my opinion.
https://i.imgur.com/yNo33FH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Zb1we8d.jpg
Primalsea
06-09-2018, 08:00
I think that Clearaudio produce some very nice looking turntables. The higher end statement models I don’t care for much as they are just too big and look like some impractical drinks trolley. Some of the smaller ones with all that satin aluminium, Panzerholz and acyrilic are lovely in my eyes.
Ammonite Audio
06-09-2018, 08:44
B&O 4000 tt was one of the best looking I Suppose the transcriptor or whatever it was, in the movie a clockwork orange, was one of the most iconic
I'd agree about the B&O decks of that era, on grounds of simple, elegant design and beauty, if not ultimate sound quality! In today's market, the Technics SP-10R copies without shame its predecessors' looks and I think is about as far as anyone needs to go in terms of cost, looks and function.
http://www.soundhifi.com/images/SP-10R.jpg
There are plenty of ugly decks around, both old and new. Any old EMT deck, for me, fits naturally in the (f)ugly category and you'd have to be resolutely single or have a very understanding partner to have one in the house rather than in a broadcast studio. I'll disagree with Barry over the TD-124 - lovely sounding, functional and refreshingly compact thing, but beautiful? Maybe beautiful like a well looked after Morris Minor but not exactly B&O!
Any turntable that needs a fork lift truck to install is never goping to float my aesthetic boat, but the Acoustical Systems Apolyt adds sheer and perhaps inconvenient bulk to shocking ugliness, narrowly pipping the 'oil rig' range-topping Clearaudio decks for my 'raspberry' prize:
http://www.arche-headshell.de/s/cc_images/cache_69690400.jpeg?t=1526487561
Micro Seiki turned out some turntables I thought were gorgeous.
This is the BL-111. Lovely looking thing.
Wot, like a baboon's backside?
This is unusual, Geoff, because you and I often have quite similar tastes, but although it'll undoubtedly be a great turntable and superbly built, it looks like puke! :spew:
Why? Because I HATE BLING!! Especially that shiny 'faux-rosewood' look, combined with a gold platter, which for some inexplicable reason, the Japs seem to love:doh:
It's hi-fi for hairy-chested medallion men... Anyway, do carry on:D
Marco.
P.S I like the arm!
Ah, now we're talking....
http://www.soundhifi.com/images/SP-10R.jpg
Stylish, clean, distinctive lines, and you can just about get away with the gold platter, as it sets off the silver nicely (plus, the satin finish nullifies the bling).... Sexy! :exactly:
The challenge would be finding the right plinth to set it off.... Solid ebony, with a block of aluminium, machined to the same finish as the rest of the turntable, sandwiched in between the wood, perhaps? Dunno...:hmm:
Marco.
Frazeur1
06-09-2018, 09:52
https://i.imgur.com/yNo33FH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Zb1we8d.jpg
I always have loved these B&O's as well, lovely looking things in my eyes.
Yes, but very 70s! Not a bad thing though, in the right setting... The top one's the nicest looking, IMO (perhaps because the record sets it off more):)
Marco.
My two all time favourites:
Dieter Rams' brilliantly understated Braun PCS5
(I had the tape deck in the photo ..)
http://www.audioclassic.org/uploads/1/8/8/9/18899713/1604643_orig.jpg
... and the gorgeous Rega Planet - a mate of mine had one back in the day and I was always trying to figure out ways to blag it off him :lol:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57a4acc7f7e0ab3289b844df/t/58c317aaf5e23157c09d7eb7/1489180601962/
Video of the PCS5 in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JA_TrFrdpk
My two all time favourites:
Dieter Rams' brilliantly understated Braun PCS5
(I had the tape deck in the photo ..)
http://www.audioclassic.org/uploads/1/8/8/9/18899713/1604643_orig.jpg
Ah, now you're talking, that's RIGHT up my street!! Love pretty much all the Braun stuff. That, for me, is just bang on: 'sober' and functional looking, but with a soupçon of chic. Look at the lovely PHAT headshell on that arm - I could almost EAT it!:D
Pop a nice DL-103 in there, and you'll be in 'radio broadcast-sound' heaven. In fact, I'd love to fit the whole arm onto my own turntable.
Sorry, the Rega does little for me, but I can see where you're coming from, design-wise...
Marco.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 10:20
Ah, now we're talking....
Stylish, clean, distinctive lines, and you can just about get away with the gold platter, as it sets off the silver nicely (the satin finish nullifies the bling).... Sexy! :exactly:
The challenge would be finding the right plinth to set it off.... Solid ebony, with a block of aluminium, machined to the same finish as the rest of the turntable, sandwiched in between the wood, perhaps? Dunno...:hmm:
Marco.
I would love to hear one I had a SP10 MK3 which in my opinion way ahead of the MK2 some years back and regret selling it for £3000 I did not like it that much but had some great qualities I found it had great bass and amazing stability I just found it a bit too precise and a bit clinical. I had it serviced and used a Fidelity Research FR66 and a Ikeda 407 which seemed a good match. I purchased a Vibraplane active air suspension unit for it that transformed the turntable no end but had a noisy compressor. I did look at having a Albert Porter Plinth which is meant to transform it but decided to give in.
My two all time favourites:
Dieter Rams' brilliantly understated Braun PCS5
(I had the tape deck in the photo ..)
http://www.audioclassic.org/uploads/1/8/8/9/18899713/1604643_orig.jpg
... and the gorgeous Rega Planet - a mate of mine had one back in the day and I was always trying to figure out ways to blag it off him :lol:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57a4acc7f7e0ab3289b844df/t/58c317aaf5e23157c09d7eb7/1489180601962/
Video of the PCS5 in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JA_TrFrdpk
Guess you can see the planet influenced JBE..
https://www.hifinews.co.uk/sites/13/images/article_images_month/2012-02/yb11_vin_jbe1.jpg
... And the ugliest??
- just about anything by Garrard - the 301 particularly reminding me of the Baby Belling cooker synonymous with student bedsits in the 60s :rofl: ....
But the top prize goes to this hideous monstrosity:
http://www.theanalogdept.com/images/spp6_pics/Garrard/TypeA.jpg
The Transrotor Rondino bust be high up there in the fugly stakes
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/download/file.php?id=12488&t=1
Ammonite Audio
06-09-2018, 11:38
Good call!
The Transrotor Rondino bust be high up there in the fugly stakes
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/download/file.php?id=12488&t=1
Beobloke
06-09-2018, 11:47
... And the ugliest??
- just about anything by Garrard - the 301 particularly reminding me of the Baby Belling cooker synonymous with student bedsits in the 60s :rofl: ....
But the top prize goes to this hideous monstrosity:
http://www.theanalogdept.com/images/spp6_pics/Garrard/TypeA.jpg
Nope, sorry - I love that, although prefer it in the cream and grey finish!
Whereas that Braun PCS-5 is just mingin' to my eyes. I think the biggest issue is the headshell - I hate big, chunky headshells as a rule, unless they're on the end of equally big and chunky arms.
Beobloke
06-09-2018, 11:48
Yes, but very 70s! Not a bad thing though, in the right setting... The top one's the nicest looking, IMO (perhaps because the record sets it off more):)
Marco.
Perhaps because the top one is 1980s...;)
losepete
06-09-2018, 13:05
Sorry, but with regard to turntables Beauty is in the ear of the listener - or should be.
So, although my Linn LP12 simply looks like a turntable I consider it beautiful as it produces a reasonably accurate beautiful sound. While listening to the LP12/Ittok/Kiseki Blue Gold Spot 1 of my sons friends (age around 23) asked "Why did they bother inventing CDs when record players can sound so good?"
walpurgis
06-09-2018, 13:37
The rare and definitely vintage IMF Transcription Turntable is striking. Not sure I'd call it beautiful though.
http://i64.tinypic.com/2dre3rs.jpg
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Qz8AAOSwtfhYpXTt/s-l300.jpg
I still think this is 'easy on the eye' with its beautifully curved edges. Maybe 'beautiful' is going too far, but to me it is a fine balance between the Bauhaus looks of Braun gear (which I admire), and the Scandinavian elegance and 'cool' looks of B&O. I think the Brinkman designs possess a similar fine balance.
Regarding the new Technics SP10, well I have always admired the previous aesthetics and this one thankfully maintains the look - but I have serious reservations about the gold platter. It's verging too close to being a bit 'bling' to my eyes.
But as they say in my local - "De gustibus non disputandem".
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Qz8AAOSwtfhYpXTt/s-l300.jpg
I still think this is 'easy on the eye' with its beautifully curved edges. Maybe 'beautiful' is going too far, but to me it is a fine balance between the Bauhaus looks of Braun gear (which I admire), and the Scandinavian elegance and 'cool' looks of B&O. I think the Brinkman designs possess a similar fine balance.
Regarding the new Technics SP10, well I have always admired the previous aesthetics and this one thankfully maintains the look - but I have serious reservations about the gold platter. It's verging too close to being a bit 'bling' to my eyes.
But as they say in my local - "De gustibus non disputandem".
said that iun my old locl and you would have been beaten up :lol: not sure of the first bit but last is no dispute i think
said that iun my old locl and you would have been beaten up :lol: not sure of the first bit but last is no dispute i think
Round here they'd just assume you were Polish.
Round here they'd just assume you were Polish.
yup, we have lots of pole families here, but back then, you were unlikely to even get english here, far less foreigners,
said that iun my old locl and you would have been beaten up :lol: not sure of the first bit but last is no dispute i think
All of the regulars in my local have received a classical education (:lol:) and would agree that in matters of taste there is no dispute. After a few beers they might, after a discussion on Brexit, misquote Voltaire: “Je désapprouve ce que vous dites, mais je défendrai à la mort votre droit à le dire”.
All of the regulars in my local have received a classical education (:lol:) and would agree that in matters of taste there is no dispute. After a few beers they might, after a discussion on Brexit, misquote Voltaire: “Je désapprouve ce que vous dites, mais je défendrai à la mort votre droit à le dire”.
most of ours had a classic borstal education;)
most of ours had a classic borstal education;)
Ah - they went to an approved school. ;)
Ah - they went to an approved school. ;)
lol, yup, and their Alma Mater was Sauchton Prison :ner:
Mike Reed
06-09-2018, 15:26
... And the ugliest??
- just about anything by Garrard -
But the top prize goes to this hideous monstrosity:
http://www.theanalogdept.com/images/spp6_pics/Garrard/TypeA.jpg
I believe that might have been my entry into hifi in the early sixties. Went with Pye speakers and Jason valve amp. Soon replaced by a GL75.
Some more ugly TTs (pace Marco)
http://www.modestoradiomuseum.org/microphone%20man%2018%20specs.html
And anything from the QRK Rusco (RekOKut) stable:
http://www.vinylengine.com/images/model/broadcast_electronics_12c.jpg
Perhaps because the top one is 1980s...;)
Ah, thanks for the correction. However, that's not why I prefer it:)
Marco.
The rare and definitely vintage IMF Transcription Turntable is striking. Not sure I'd call it beautiful though.
http://i64.tinypic.com/2dre3rs.jpg
Well, it's a damn sight nicer than that faux-rosewood Jap thing, you posted a pic of earlier!:D:eyebrows:
I find the IMF rather 'sculptural' in style, and quite like it:)
Marco.
walpurgis
06-09-2018, 15:57
The simple elegance of my old Connoisseur BD1 :). (if that doesn't get Adam going, nothing will :lol:)
http://i64.tinypic.com/2nkmikk.jpg
Yes, it is suspended on rubber 'O' rings.
Some more ugly TTs (pace Marco)
http://www.modestoradiomuseum.org/microphone%20man%2018%20specs.html
AWESOME, Barry...I'll be saving that link!:thumbsup:
Personally, I love how they look (and especially sound, with matching Gray Research arm). As you know, the BBC used that combo (mainly the CB-77) in their broadcasting studios for long enough;)
I'd absolutely DIE for one of these babies in mint condition:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/pAumLN.png
The sort of sonic presentation I love from a turntable, and which I've strived to obtain from my own T/T, is the type of sound Radio 1 (especially during the Top 40 chart shows on Sunday nights) and Radio 2 used to produce, back in the early-to-mid 80s, when they broadcast music with vinyl records, using Gates, Technics SP10 and EMT (mostly 950) turntables, with their partnering high-mass arms and broadcast cartridges, tracking at 3g+.
It's a sound that's always stuck in my head: powerful, bold and weighty, with beguiling drive and 'heft', together with a beautifully lucid and expansive midrange, and crystal-clear, smooth top-end, such that the whole sound positively thundered through the speakers in my (then teenage) bedroom, when the likes of 'Two Tribes' came on, from Frankie Goes to Hollywood, or 'Blue Monday', by New Order.
It sounded *so* good, I used to sit utterly transfixed listening to it (through my then big JVC receiver and Mission speakers), and thought to myself: 'one day I'll build a vinyl system which will sound like that!'
And I have - only better!:D
Marco.
a shameless pic of mine:) pioneer plc-590
https://s26.postimg.cc/9uadcdqs9/IMG_E2432.jpg
walpurgis
06-09-2018, 16:36
I don't think anybody has mentioned Empire turntable yet. Here's a 698.
http://i67.tinypic.com/5ff6tg.png
a shameless pic of mine:) pioneer plc-590
https://s26.postimg.cc/9uadcdqs9/IMG_E2432.jpg
Gorgeous, mate!:thumbsup:
Marco.
I don't think anybody has mentioned Empire turntable yet. Here's a 698.
http://i67.tinypic.com/5ff6tg.png
Now *that* I love, despite it being a little blingy, but it just seems to work nicely with the wooden plinth.
Marco.
Beobloke
06-09-2018, 17:41
Gorgeous, mate!:thumbsup:
Marco.
Yes, there's not much wrong with that, is there?!
Beobloke
06-09-2018, 17:42
The simple elegance of my old Connoisseur BD1 :). (if that doesn't get Adam going, nothing will :lol:)
http://i64.tinypic.com/2nkmikk.jpg
Yes, it is suspended on rubber 'O' rings.
:vomfest:
Yeah, that's pretty fugly. Geoff, what were you thinking of, mate?:doh:
You can go the opposite way from bling, to drab!;)
Marco.
To me this is still one of the best looking decks out there. Simple, understated and classy
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180906/29249cb2133335175978d5d963c63b67.jpg
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Always liked the look of the Sondek.
RobbieGong
06-09-2018, 18:19
a shameless pic of mine:) pioneer plc-590
https://s26.postimg.cc/9uadcdqs9/IMG_E2432.jpg
Not shameless at all, if you got it flaunt it :D
RobbieGong
06-09-2018, 18:20
Always had a soft spot for the Sony PS-8750, need a piccie though someone please :)
Always had a soft spot for the Sony PS-8750, need a piccie though someone please :)
https://i.imgur.com/rV8L7jY.jpg
Yeah, that's pretty fugly. Geoff, what were you thinking of, mate?:doh:
You can go the opposite way from bling, to drab!;)
Marco.
Geoff obviously meant the Connoisseur 'Classic II':
https://theartofsound.net/images/barrydhunt/IMG_0001-7.jpg?t=1308254769
None of that 10" nonsense (the arm is an EMI EPU100 with EMI cartridge).
Yes, that's far more interesting. Love that EMI cartridge!:)
Marco.
Beobloke
06-09-2018, 18:53
Aarghh, stop! I let my mint, boxed EPU100 with two pickup heads go for a pittance many years ago, and have regretted it ever since. :(
https://i.imgur.com/rV8L7jY.jpg
Love the T/T, but the blue vinyl spoils it!
Marco.
And anything from the QRK Rusco (RekOKut) stable:
http://www.vinylengine.com/images/model/broadcast_electronics_12c.jpg
Yes, that's also right up my street - pure US radio-station heaven!:thumbsup:
You could've found a better picture, though;)
Marco.
Now *that* I love, despite it being a little blingy, but it just seems to work nicely with the wooden plinth.
Marco.
I cited the Empire 598 'Troubadour' as an example of an ugly-looking TT (to my eyes)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/hobie1dog/Facebook/AudioVideo%20photos/1934673_1033445845153_6699746_n.jpg
I saw one at a dealer in London thirty odd years ago. It's quite 'blingy' in appearance: champagne gold finish and the plastic arm rest lights up (orange) when the deck is switched on. Agree the plinth looks handsome, and the lid uses a glass sheet rather than plastic used by others everywhere else.
As they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
jandl100
06-09-2018, 19:15
I like the 'flying saucer' Denons, Here's my old 62L
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi262.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii 114%2Fjandl100%2FDenonDP-62Ltt-1.jpg&f=1
To me this is still one of the best looking decks out there. Simple, understated and classy
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180906/29249cb2133335175978d5d963c63b67.jpg
Yes, the LP12 always did look classy, though I preferred the look of the early versions with the 'ribbed' plinth, The lid on later models was much improved though.
jandl100
06-09-2018, 19:22
There was something about the Philips 212 that hit the spot looks-wise for me
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.catawiki.nl%2Fassets%2F201 6%2F5%2F15%2F5%2Fa%2F4%2F5a462d3a-1a8c-11e6-8194-de6c3758c6e6.jpg&f=1
https://i.imgur.com/rV8L7jY.jpg
Sony TTs always did ooze 'quality'. :)
I like the 'flying saucer' Denons, Here's my old 62L
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi262.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii 114%2Fjandl100%2FDenonDP-62Ltt-1.jpg&f=1
Sorry Jerry - it's not for me.
jandl100
06-09-2018, 19:25
Sorry Jerry - it's not for me.
No worries, Barry - very few (if any!) of your choices are for me.
I cited the Empire 598 'Troubadour' as an example of an ugly-looking TT (to my eyes)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/hobie1dog/Facebook/AudioVideo%20photos/1934673_1033445845153_6699746_n.jpg
I saw one at a dealer in London thirty odd years ago. It's quite 'blingy' in appearance: champagne gold finish and the plastic arm rest lights up (orange) when the deck is switched on. Agree the plinth looks handsome, and the lid uses a glass sheet rather than plastic used by others everywhere else.
As they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Yeah, undoubtedly it's a little blingy, but for some reason it doesn't offend my eyes like some. I'm probably mesmerised by the lovely fat headshell on the arm! I just love high-mass headshells like that, which hide all the fugly mounting hardwire and cartridge leads:)
Marco.
No worries, Barry - very few (if any!) of your choices are for me.
But I have only chosen three designs.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 19:29
To me this is still one of the best looking decks out there. Simple, understated and classy
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180906/29249cb2133335175978d5d963c63b67.jpg
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Nice looking linn I love the plinth I was was forever swapping Linn LP12's in my younger years must have owned around 7 of them the best sounding to my ears are always the early ones. I have to say my linn lp12 aro vdh grasshopper in early 90s was rather nice. I always liked the lp12 aro in many ways.
No worries, Barry - very few (if any!) of your choices are for me.
I like the motor unit, Jerry, but not in that plinth, as you know my views on shiny 'faux-rosewood'!:no::D
I think the motor unit would look nice in a plain light-oak, silver, or black plinth:)
Marco.
jandl100
06-09-2018, 19:31
The afore-mentioned (but not piccied) La Luce
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hifisentralen.no%2Fforumet%2Fa ttachments%2Fvinylavdelingen%2F54910d1335553683-vinylspillere-pa-tv-film-laluce.jpg&f=1
I don't like it, but some do.
Sorry chaps, LP12s don't do much for me, aesthetically, especially fitted with that flimsy, plastic looking Nima arm....:sorry:
I rate the arm in terms of its sound, though! Like a "poor man's" Aro... Good unipivots are rather musical devices:)
Marco.
Mike Reed
06-09-2018, 19:31
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww195/Yungiloo/AUG.%2016%20MORE%20AUDITORIUMHIFI%20shots%20015_zp s4pxja0kl.jpg (http://s719.photobucket.com/user/Yungiloo/media/AUG.%2016%20MORE%20AUDITORIUMHIFI%20shots%20015_zp s4pxja0kl.jpg.html)
Fugly ? Possibly. Agricultural? Yes ! Functional ? Definitely. Portable? Not exactly.
Gosh but that pic. is 2 years old. No Naim amplification now (E.A.R. 912 instead of 552 and no Superline and stuff.)
The afore-mentioned (but not piccied) La Luce
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hifisentralen.no%2Fforumet%2Fa ttachments%2Fvinylavdelingen%2F54910d1335553683-vinylspillere-pa-tv-film-laluce.jpg&f=1
I don't like it, but some do.
Gawd.... That's simply AWFUL!!:doh::mental:
It represents everything I detest about so-called 'high-end' turntables....
Marco.
Fugly ? Possibly. Agricultural? Yes ! Functional ? Definitely. Portable? Not exactly.
Sounds great? YES. And that's ultimately all that matters;)
Marco.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 19:42
Gawd.... That's simply AWFUL!!:doh::mental:
It represents everything I detest about so-called 'high-end' turntables....
Marco.
I think thats an original arm looks a bit much in my opinion I have seen a uni pivot arm on the turntable I think its called the lyla look quite nice with that
paulf-2007
06-09-2018, 19:55
I like the 'flying saucer' Denons, Here's my old 62L
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi262.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii 114%2Fjandl100%2FDenonDP-62Ltt-1.jpg&f=1
Nice Jerry, quite colourful, compared with my dp80, can't post a bigger photo.
jandl100
06-09-2018, 20:01
Nice Jerry, quite colourful, compared with my dp80, can't post a bigger photo.
Here's an interesting implementation of a DP80
https://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/denon-dp-80-476877.jpg
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 20:05
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww195/Yungiloo/AUG.%2016%20MORE%20AUDITORIUMHIFI%20shots%20015_zp s4pxja0kl.jpg (http://s719.photobucket.com/user/Yungiloo/media/AUG.%2016%20MORE%20AUDITORIUMHIFI%20shots%20015_zp s4pxja0kl.jpg.html)
Fugly ? Possibly. Agricultural? Yes ! Functional ? Definitely. Portable? Not exactly.
Gosh but that pic. is 2 years old. No Naim amplification now (E.A.R. 912 instead of 552 and no Superline and stuff.)
I like it personally very neat and does not take two much room, always likes the notts analogue for its clean looks the notts analogue arm and the oragami look nice together, I see a red urushi? on the orgami whats the other cartridge
All of the regulars in my local have received a classical education (:lol:) and would agree that in matters of taste there is no dispute. After a few beers they might, after a discussion on Brexit, misquote Voltaire: “Je désapprouve ce que vous dites, mais je défendrai à la mort votre droit à le dire”.
I'm unsure what the 'official' quote is from Voltaire, but as a French speaker, I can say that the use of "Je désapprouve" is somewhat unsuitable and a little stilted in that context, so instead I'd replace it with "Je ne suis pas d’accord", and therefore alter the above quote thus: "Je ne suis pas d’accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je défendrai à la mort votre droit à le dire".
That's more likely how a French person would say it:)
Marco.
jandl100
06-09-2018, 20:14
The best sounding turntable I've ever heard (by a long way). Rockport Sirius.
It looks impressive, if maybe not beautiful.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/db/16/44/db16448dfda3a22f9abfae01c40def3a.jpg
Here's an interesting implementation of a DP80
https://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/denon-dp-80-476877.jpg
YES - now can you see just how much better/brighter it looks in that colour of plinth? It simply shows off the design of the motor unit much more effectively!:)
Marco.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 20:15
Here's an interesting implementation of a DP80
https://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/denon-dp-80-476877.jpg
Love that combo plinth looks great, the clamp looks like a goldmund the same I had on a ST4
Interesting how the Sme 3012 is all the rage these days in the states amongst all the big players preferring it to all the big offerings from graham, triplanar and even the £35000 SAT. Could have told them years back the 3012 was a great arm
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 20:19
The best sounding turntable I've ever heard (by a long way). Rockport Sirius.
It looks impressive, if maybe not beautiful.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/db/16/44/db16448dfda3a22f9abfae01c40def3a.jpg
Jerry sheer class, always dreamed of owning one very unlikely though.
I have heard one by far the best turntable ever produced its big and heavy I think 400kg and has a massive compressor but puts all decks to shame, I actually love the looks, very rare these days. I remember hearing the rockport making my sme 30/12 series v-12 sound rather uninteresting hence I changed to the thales arm.
I think thats an original arm looks a bit much in my opinion I have seen a uni pivot arm on the turntable I think its called the lyla look quite nice with that
Hi Nari,
I know where you're coming from, but I'm afraid I'm not a fan of the 'clear perspex'/skeletal look. I know some love it, though. Just not my thing!
Also, I dislike over-complication in design (the design of anything, not just turntables), simply for the sake of making something look 'expensive', or to justify a high price-tag. And for me, the 'La Luce', and other T/Ts like it, smack very much of that.
With T/Ts, I admire functional simplicity and solid (bombproof) engineering, above all else:)
Marco.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 20:43
Hi Nari,
I know where you're coming from, but I'm afraid I'm not a fan of the 'clear perspex' look. I know some love it, though. Just not my thing!
Also, I dislike over-complication in design (the design of anything, not just turntables), simply for the sake of making something look 'expensive', or to justify a high price-tag. And for me, the 'La Luce', and other T/Ts like it, smack very much of that.
With T/Ts, I admire functional simplicity and solid (bombproof) engineering, above all else:)
Marco.
I agree never liked the perspex clear audios etc and most other perspex deck, I kind of like the la luce as its rare qwerky and made by a woman who could not care if any are sold. I even heard she expects the deck to be picked up from holland.
The best sounding turntable I've ever heard (by a long way). Rockport Sirius.
It looks impressive, if maybe not beautiful.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/db/16/44/db16448dfda3a22f9abfae01c40def3a.jpg
Now you're talking:thumbsup:
What it looks like is purposeful, thus engineered to address/solve the issues required, to ensure the most accurate replay of vinyl, not some over-elaborate 'executive toy', like many high-end T/Ts, which look like they've been built from glorified Meccano sets!;)
Marco.
I agree never liked the perspex clear audios etc and most other perspex deck, I kind of like the la luce as its rare qwerky and made by a woman who could not care if any are sold. I even heard she expects the deck to be picked up from holland.
Yes, I approve of the (seemingly) eccentric approach of the designer. I quite like quirky people, as long as they're not rude. That's about it.
Marco.
RobbieGong
06-09-2018, 20:49
Surprised no Kenwood / Trio L07D as yet
A great and beautiful battleship of a TT :)
Surprised no Kenwood / Trio L07D as yet
A great and beautiful battleship of a TT :)
Yup, or the Continuum Caliburn, which is probably the best turntable I've ever heard:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/trlx6B.jpg
A truly STUNNING sounding T/T, which (when set up properly) gets pretty much everything right!:cool:
Marco.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 20:56
Yup, or the Continuum Caliburn, which is probably the best turntable I've ever heard:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/trlx6B.jpg
A truly STUNNING sounding T/T, which (when set up properly) gets pretty much everything right!:cool:
Marco.
I have heard one in a known system side by side a Rockport I like the continuum it had a sense of weight and scale that was amazing the Rockport seemed to extract even more and was rather breathtaking. I have seen one in bits and being set up its most certainly a stunning bit of kit. The Rockport was sold factory direct with no crazy dealer distributer margins.
RobbieGong
06-09-2018, 20:58
Yup, or the Continuum Caliburn, which is probably the best turntable I've ever heard:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/trlx6B.jpg
A truly STUNNING sounding T/T, which (when set up properly) gets pretty much everything right!:cool:
Marco.
At £115K I should hope so :eek: :lol:
I know, but at least this is one of the *very* rare occasions when an obscenely priced piece of hi-fi equipment has, to my ears, delivered the goods. The vast majority don't!!
And I could live with the looks, as it's not too 'flashy':)
Marco.
Spectral Morn
06-09-2018, 21:10
The MK4 Oracle Delphi, still one of the most beautiful.
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/a191a2_3f5876eee8564a1d983e334938f6e46e.jpg/v1/fill/w_563,h_423,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/a191a2_3f5876eee8564a1d983e334938f6e46e.webp
My original MK4.
The AMG Giro, beauty in simplicity.
http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Blue_Giro_Cropped-e1432554739679.jpg
The Oracle's never really done it for me, Neil. But I like the AMG:)
The Brinkmann 'Balance', for me, is also a rather nice-looking T/T, certainly beautifully engineered:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/dB1u3B.jpg
Marco.
Spectral Morn
06-09-2018, 21:26
The Oracle's never really done it for me, Neil. But I like the AMG:)
The Brinkmann 'Balance', for me, is also a rather nice-looking T/T, certainly beautifully engineered:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/dB1u3B.jpg
Marco.
Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that. Sound quality wise the AMG Giro destroyed the Oracle.
The Brinkman looks a lot like the AMG Viyella or the AMG looks like the Brinkman.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/d3/28/3dd328dda319815b37d616a4b01704ba.jpg
Not a fan of the look of earlier versions, but love the later Mk7 of the Townsend Rock.
https://static.squarespace.com/static/52f7d424e4b013e3f945bd38/52f7df44e4b0cdc9d88ced47/52f7df44e4b0cdc9d88ced49/1375911432547/1000w/wbsnyc_Helius-SR_Townshend-Rock_84.png
http://www.townshendaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Rock-7-Vibration-Isolated-Turntable.jpg
Mike Reed
06-09-2018, 21:43
I like it personally very neat and does not take two much room, always likes the notts analogue for its clean looks the notts analogue arm and the oragami look nice together, I see a red urushi? on the orgami whats the other cartridge
Well spotted. Urushi Vermillion. Think the other might be the Benz Ebony, though it might also be my Transfig. Proteus. I swapped then around a bit. Different presentations with each cart. between the unipivot and the gimbal (both 12") Actually, the Dais is quite a big t/t, as well as weighing around 44 kg.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 21:45
Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that. Sound quality wise the AMG Giro destroyed the Oracle.
The Brinkman looks a lot like the AMG Viyella or the AMG looks like the Brinkman.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/d3/28/3dd328dda319815b37d616a4b01704ba.jpg
The amg was the brain child Werner Roeschlau who previously manufactured turntables and components for other companies, most notably Brinkmann - which may explain why they look similar.
It is enough to see the shape of the Brinkman Balance or even more so Bardo to spot the similarities. Brinkmann’s Balance uses an external motor and control unit and the Bardo incorporates a 'magnetic direct drive' system, the AMG Viella integrates its belt motor into the main chassis. The main bearing is also different. The AMG table uses the hydromechanical characteristics of the lubricant to simplify its bearing design. I met Werner at a show once he was a delightful man with many great ideas sadly not around any more. The AMG turntables certainly delightful always liked them over Brinkman personally. Not very well represented in the UK sadly
Another Michell design, the Focus One was lovely; nice clean lines... Think it won the TT award here as nicest deck a few years ago
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/michell_focus1.jpg
Mike Reed
06-09-2018, 21:47
The best sounding turntable I've ever heard (by a long way). Rockport Sirius.
It looks impressive, if maybe not beautiful.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/db/16/44/db16448dfda3a22f9abfae01c40def3a.jpg
Heard/saw this at one of the Heathrow shows in the nineties; Stonking deck; stonking price. Nineties esoterica with bells on.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 21:51
Not a fan of the look of earlier versions, but love the later Mk7 of the Townsend Rock.
https://static.squarespace.com/static/52f7d424e4b013e3f945bd38/52f7df44e4b0cdc9d88ced47/52f7df44e4b0cdc9d88ced49/1375911432547/1000w/wbsnyc_Helius-SR_Townshend-Rock_84.png
http://www.townshendaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Rock-7-Vibration-Isolated-Turntable.jpg
I was never a fan of the Rock 7 I actually purchased one for a bit of fun not very well made I had to get a replacement twice, I liked the Rock V though I should have bought one as not many were made.
Vrajbasi
06-09-2018, 21:56
Heard/saw this at one of the Heathrow shows in the nineties; Stonking deck; stonking price. Nineties esoterica with bells on.
I remember meeting its designer at that show think it was the Heathrow Penta show back then, and remember him telling me that the motor drive had something to do with Nasa he showed me pictures of the custom made drive system seen nothing like it. I phoned him a year ago and said if one was to be made today it would be in the region of £400000 or thereabouts so would not bother producing them again dont blame him, I could never afford one.
The Oracle's never really done it for me, Neil. But I like the AMG:)
The Brinkmann 'Balance', for me, is also a rather nice-looking T/T, certainly beautifully engineered:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/dB1u3B.jpg
I'm 2/3 of the way there - I have the arm and a 'nuded' EMT cartridge (upon which the Brinkmann Ti is based).
PS Voltaire lived in the 18th century. The French spoken then was not the quite the same as would be spoken today.
Another Michell design, the Focus One was lovely; nice clean lines... Think it won the TT award here as nicest deck a few years ago
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/michell_focus1.jpg
Love it!
The rare and definitely vintage IMF Transcription Turntable is striking. Not sure I'd call it beautiful though.
http://i64.tinypic.com/2dre3rs.jpg
Excellent - although it does look a bit like something a lab technician has knocked together in his spare time :lol:
jandl100
07-09-2018, 06:18
Interesting, Geoff - I'd never come across the IMF before. Presumably they just badged it? Or maybe it really was just knocked together by one of their lab technicians, as Mike suggests!
Curiously similar looking platter to the magnetically levitating Gale 201, an iconic 70s design if ever their was one,
http://www.vintagehificlub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Gale-gt-2101-9-550x499.jpg
Not shameless at all, if you got it flaunt it :D
Lol well why not eh?
I just love japanese direct drive/arms from that era.The engineering is very good on the quality stuff.I know we shouldn't judge by eye but i do to a degree,id rather have a balance than something that looks awful but sounds great,after all we have to live with them.
Vrajbasi
07-09-2018, 06:39
Interesting, Geoff - I'd never come across the IMF before. Presumably they just badged it? Or maybe it really was just knocked together by one of their lab technicians, as Mike suggests!
Curiously similar looking platter to the magnetically levitating Gale 201, an iconic 70s design if ever their was one,
http://www.vintagehificlub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Gale-gt-2101-9-550x499.jpg
I have seen the IMF in the flesh does look a bit knocked together a lovely thing, I owned a gale one those things I wish I never sold superb design not very good sounding really not quite a Rockport.
Mike Reed
07-09-2018, 07:00
For me, the most 'graceful' and aesthetically perfect deck is the tricorne shaped T.W. Acustic AC3. Haven't got a pic., unfortunately. This was to be my ultimate deck, with two frustrated attempts to buy one; then the Dais came up. Problem with the AC3, though, was the cost of the arm-boards.
Vrajbasi
07-09-2018, 07:09
For me, the most 'graceful' and aesthetically perfect deck is the tricorne shaped T.W. Acustic AC3. Haven't got a pic., unfortunately. This was to be my ultimate deck, with two frustrated attempts to buy one; then the Dais came up. Problem with the AC3, though, was the cost of the arm-boards.
Nice turntable I never quite got on with the sound but very versatile, arm boards are quite simple on the AC3 nothing that a good machine shop could not knock up easily, I would be tempted to try other materials in any case. Sme wanted £1400 for a arm board fro my 30/12 so I could put the thales on it, it is a big bit of brass. I had one made quite easily
Smegger68
07-09-2018, 07:21
http://www.chronosmith.com/images/Audio/Braun%20PS-500.jpg
For me, few things are quite as understated and elegant as the Braun PS-500. Which reminds me, I must get mine running soon!
The Brinkman looks a lot like the AMG Viyella or the AMG looks like the Brinkman.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/d3/28/3dd328dda319815b37d616a4b01704ba.jpg
Yes, that's a very lovely thing, Neil.
Stylish/elegant, yet understated, but also 'purposeful' looking, and most importantly, superbly engineered. I hate superfluous frippery, on turntables, and anything that you can tell has been designed primarily to act as an ornament. One must remember a turntable's primary function, which isn't simply to be looked at and admired!;)
Marco.
http://www.chronosmith.com/images/Audio/Braun%20PS-500.jpg
For me, few things are quite as understated and elegant as the Braun PS-500. Which reminds me, I must get mine running soon!
Now that’s nice [emoji1303]
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http://www.chronosmith.com/images/Audio/Braun%20PS-500.jpg
For me, few things are quite as understated and elegant as the Braun PS-500. Which reminds me, I must get mine running soon!
Nice, but I prefer the 'chunkier', more substantial, look of the Braun, which was posted earlier in the thread. The one above looks a wee bit too much like a Lenco, popped inside a Braun plinth. I preferred the tonearm on the other one, too.
The PS-500 looks like a cheaper model, although I could be wrong.
Marco.
Not a fan of the look of earlier versions, but love the later Mk7 of the Townsend Rock.
https://static.squarespace.com/static/52f7d424e4b013e3f945bd38/52f7df44e4b0cdc9d88ced47/52f7df44e4b0cdc9d88ced49/1375911432547/1000w/wbsnyc_Helius-SR_Townshend-Rock_84.png
Nice, if perhaps for me a little 'insubstantial'... Probably just because I tend to like things that are a bit more 'brutal':eyebrows:
The Helius arm is gorgeous though, which I suspect could be very good sounding!
Marco.
Another Michell design, the Focus One was lovely; nice clean lines... Think it won the TT award here as nicest deck a few years ago
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/michell_focus1.jpg
I had the ‘S’ version a few years ago , beautiful engineering.
I sold it to a guy from Paris, he came and collected it in person, after a few weeks i asked him what he thought of it , he said “ oh no I just look at it “ [emoji23]
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Yeah, let's put the two Brauns together, to compare...
PS-500:
http://www.chronosmith.com/images/Audio/Braun%20PS-500.jpg
And the DPCS5:
http://www.audioclassic.org/uploads/1/8/8/9/18899713/1604643_orig.jpg
Yup, whilst I love both, I much prefer the more solid, 'industrial' look of the DPC55. I suspect it would also be the better sounding of the two. The arm on the DPC55, for me, also looks superior.
What do other folks think?:)
Marco.
Beobloke
07-09-2018, 08:17
No, I’ve thought about it some more and I just can’t get away from one deck in terms of looks - the Nakamichi TX-1000.
Yes, it’s a brute, but I love its sense of purposeful intent.
Beobloke
07-09-2018, 08:18
What do other folks think?:)
Marco.
I much prefer the PS-500. It all just looks better proportioned.
Smegger68
07-09-2018, 08:22
Yeah, let's put the two Brauns together, to compare...
PS-500:
http://www.chronosmith.com/images/Audio/Braun%20PS-500.jpg
And the DPCS5:
http://www.audioclassic.org/uploads/1/8/8/9/18899713/1604643_orig.jpg
Yup, whilst I love both, I much prefer the more solid, 'industrial' look of the DPC55. I suspect it would also be the better sounding of the two. The arm on the DPC55, for me, also looks superior.
What do other folks think?:)
Marco.
It's a PCS-5, no D :)
That is the earlier model from 1962. The PS-500 is a few years later from 1968. I think the difference in build just reflects changing styles and a move toward a more domestically acceptable unit. I agree the arm on the earlier deck is likely superior though not as capable of dealing with medium and high compliance cartridges which were becoming more mainstream at the time. At the end of the day they are both lovely decks, it's almost wrong to pick a favourite :)
It's a PCS-5, no D :)
Cool, thanks for the correction:thumbsup:
That is the earlier model from 1962. The PS-500 is a few years later from 1968. I think the difference in build just reflects changing styles and a move toward a more domestically acceptable unit. I agree the arm on the earlier deck is likely superior though not as capable of dealing with medium and high compliance cartridges which were becoming more mainstream at the time.
Ah, that explains it then, and why I prefer the earlier model, as I'm more into the high-mass approach and something I can use with low-compliance cartridges. I suspect an SPU, for instance, would work superbly well on the PCS-5. "Domestically acceptable", for me, isn't a consideration;)
I agree, though, that both Brauns are lovely examples of turntable design:)
Marco.
That is the earlier model from 1962. The PS-500 is a few years later from 1968. I think the difference in build just reflects changing styles and a move toward a more domestically acceptable unit. I agree the arm on the earlier deck is likely superior though not as capable of dealing with medium and high compliance cartridges which were becoming more mainstream at the time. At the end of the day they are both lovely decks, it's almost wrong to pick a favourite :)
Yep - the PS-500 also has a 'hidden' but major asset lacking in the earlier model ... hydraulic suspension.
This makes for a complete lack of any of the microphonic problems associated with 'coupled' decks and arms.
Also provides a major Achilles heel - they can leak over time and fixing that is a huge undertaking :(
(also the bits of string tend to break)
Below is a pic of mine showing the suspension (1,2 and 3) and the bits of string:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/801/41377211752_52454bc677_c.jpg
The 'bodge' has since been taken care of :)
Smegger68
07-09-2018, 09:12
Yep - the PS-500 also has a 'hidden' but major asset lacking in the earlier model ... hydraulic suspension.
This makes for a complete lack of any of the microphonic problems associated with 'coupled' decks and arms.
Also provides a major Achilles heel - they can leak over time and fixing that is a huge undertaking :(
(also the bits of string tend to break)
Below is a pic of mine showing the suspension (1,2 and 3) and the bits of string:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/801/41377211752_52454bc677_c.jpg
The 'bodge' has since been taken care of :)
The 'Bodge' is of interest to me. Mine makes a ton of static feedback noise and I'm pretty sure this is the cause. I unsoldered the old DIN connector and soldered a pair of phonos onto the connector board and reconnected it - cue the huge feedback. As far as I can work out I should maybe disconnect one of the 2 grounds as they are wired in common? Or not. What did you do to get yours working?
I much prefer the PS-500. It all just looks better proportioned.
Sure, I can get that. Both are gorgeous, but with my particular (well-known) proclivities, you can see why I prefer the PCS-5:)
The fact that it's in a plinth that resembles 'Grey Hammertone', such as one of my other favourite T/Ts, harking from a similar era, also helps:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/G1hspM.jpg
Now *that* certainly looks 'purposeful'!! :cool:
I will own one, in a suitable plinth, combined with an EMT 929 tonearm (to which I will fit an EMT JSD 5), as shown below, in the not too distant future.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/KWWtcY.jpg
Or, I may stay true to the broadcast route and go for a nice TSD-15:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/hokEzn.jpg
Marco.
Beobloke
07-09-2018, 09:28
I will own one, in a suitable plinth, combined with an EMT 929 tonearm (with which I will fit an EMT JSD 5), in the not too distant future.
Marco.
That’s excellent news - come and join the 301 dark side! You won’t regret it!
Any thoughts on the TX-1000? No faux rosewood in sight! ;)
RobbieGong
07-09-2018, 09:41
Sure, I can get that. Both are gorgeous, but with my particular (well-known) proclivities, you can see why I prefer the PCS-5:)
The fact that it's in a plinth that resembles 'Grey Hammertone', such as one of my other favourite T/Ts, harking from a similar era, also helps:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/G1hspM.jpg
Now *that* certainly looks 'purposeful'!! :cool:
I will own one, in a suitable plinth, combined with an EMT 929 tonearm (with which I will fit an EMT JSD 5), in the not too distant future.
Marco.
Very nice - love the Audio Grail, they do them so well. A couple of corkers here:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1900/29591292847_5a156b4b37_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/M5T7qg)Garrard 301 Cream (https://flic.kr/p/M5T7qg) by Robert Rowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152233952@N07/), on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1852/42720030600_0279131827_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2862jKJ)Garrard 301 (https://flic.kr/p/2862jKJ) by Robert Rowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152233952@N07/), on Flickr
Nice looking linn I love the plinth I was was forever swapping Linn LP12's in my younger years must have owned around 7 of them the best sounding to my ears are always the early ones. I have to say my linn lp12 aro vdh grasshopper in early 90s was rather nice. I always liked the lp12 aro in many ways.
I just like the understated, classic look of the Linns, I have a 1984 model with the fluted plinth, but this one built up by one of our members looks very tasty in particular
At the risk of upsetting a number of our members, but I'm not keen on the look of the Notts analogue decks. They just look like they sound dull/dead even though I know they don't and that they are indeed excellent decks. Just no sex appeal on my scale unfortunately
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Any thoughts on the TX-1000? No faux rosewood in sight! ;)
Lol...! Yes, I love it - perhaps the ultimate 'boy's toy', but with Lexus standards of engineering. However..... Sonically, it was outperformed by one of these, which I heard back to back in the same system:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/7XTBmM.jpg
Marco.
RobbieGong
07-09-2018, 10:05
Lol...! Yes, I love it - perhaps the ultimate 'boy's toy', but with Lexus standards of engineering. However..... Sonically, it was outperformed by one of these, which I heard back to back in the same system:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/7XTBmM.jpg
Marco.
Another deck I'd definately have, thanks for the pic :)
jandl100
07-09-2018, 10:12
Yeah, let's put the two Brauns together, to compare...
PS-500:
http://www.chronosmith.com/images/Audio/Braun%20PS-500.jpg
And the DPCS5:
http://www.audioclassic.org/uploads/1/8/8/9/18899713/1604643_orig.jpg
Yup, whilst I love both, I much prefer the more solid, 'industrial' look of the DPC55. I suspect it would also be the better sounding of the two. The arm on the DPC55, for me, also looks superior.
What do other folks think?:)
Marco.
:scratch:
They are both fugly as hell as far as I am concerned.
The 'Bodge' is of interest to me. Mine makes a ton of static feedback noise and I'm pretty sure this is the cause. I unsoldered the old DIN connector and soldered a pair of phonos onto the connector board and reconnected it - cue the huge feedback. As far as I can work out I should maybe disconnect one of the 2 grounds as they are wired in common? Or not. What did you do to get yours working?
Not had any problems like that so no idea what might be causing it :scratch:
On mine I removed the (non-original) connecting strip bodge that linked the 'old' grey wire to the 'new' blue one and made the connection directly to the tonearm wires in the tin box where the grey wire originated. Without looking again at the precise wiring I can't say for certain but from memory I simply replicated the solder connections used by the grey wire I removed. Looking at the wiring diagram in the PS 500 Manual it would seem that the two ground wires are linked in the box anyway.
If you want I can post the diagram into a separate thread ... ;)
jandl100
07-09-2018, 10:19
There's an elegant simplicity to some of the Luxman turntables that I like a lot
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/141239120773-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
:scratch:
They are both fugly as hell as far as I am concerned.
they are sort of dolls house furniture in style. not sure if i love them or not yet... been trying to decide for years
RobbieGong
07-09-2018, 10:29
There's an elegant simplicity to some of the Luxman turntables that I like a lot
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/141239120773-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
Agreed! Very stylish / classy thing
jandl100
07-09-2018, 10:35
they are sort of dolls house furniture in style. not sure if i love them or not yet... been trying to decide for years
I find I react quite strongly against a lot of 40s/50/early 60s styling.
Packed full of negative vibes for me, for some reason.
Clunky - that might be the 1-word-descriptor.
I really don't like clunky.
- that Luxman tt is the opposite of clunky.
Beobloke
07-09-2018, 10:40
Lol...! Yes, I love it - perhaps the ultimate 'boy's toy', but with Lexus standards of engineering. However..... Sonically, it was outperformed by one of these, which I heard back to back in the same system:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/7XTBmM.jpg
Marco.
Interesting! I’ve never tried an L-07D and would like to add one to the collection. However a couple of people whose ears I trust have told me that whilst they thought it was very good, they didn’t think it was in the real top of the top class in sound terms. One chap who used to sell them told me not to bother, as he reckoned that the Sony PS-X9 I have would “wipe the floor with it!”. Still, horses for courses I suppose.
Going back to style, I tend to agree with those offering up the LP12. I’ve always though it had an understated and simple elegance to it.
:scratch:
They are both fugly as hell as far as I am concerned.
How so? There's no 'faux-rosewood' (or gold bling) in sight!!:lol:
;)
Marco.
I find I react quite strongly against a lot of 40s/50/early 60s styling.
Packed full of negative vibes for me, for some reason.
Well, you're probably old enough to remember what it was like growing up back then!:D
Marco.
P.S The Luxman is quite cool.
RobbieGong
07-09-2018, 11:04
Interesting! I’ve never tried an L-07D and would like to add one to the collection. However a couple of people whose ears I trust have told me that whilst they thought it was very good, they didn’t think it was in the real top of the top class in sound terms. One chap who used to sell them told me not to bother, as he reckoned that the Sony PS-X9 I have would “wipe the floor with it!”. Still, horses for courses I suppose.
Going back to style, I tend to agree with those offering up the LP12. I’ve always though it had an understated and simple elegance to it.
Whils one of those big statements I can believe it. The PS-X9 is a serious professional standard broadcast deck that fetches BIG bucks. The L07d can be had for a lot less.
Spectral Morn
07-09-2018, 11:05
Voyd Valdi
http://classicaudio.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_03_2011/post-622-1385471226,005.jpg
Always liked the look of this and it sounded very good. I regret selling mine.
jandl100
07-09-2018, 11:08
Well, you're probably old enough to remember what it was like growing up back then!:D
No, but maybe they were recent enough for me to label them as "old fashioned".
If you are a young whippersnapper like yourself then maybe they are vintage and cool. ;)
Interesting! I’ve never tried an L-07D and would like to add one to the collection. However a couple of people whose ears I trust have told me that whilst they thought it was very good, they didn’t think it was in the real top of the top class in sound terms. One chap who used to sell them told me not to bother, as he reckoned that the Sony PS-X9 I have would “wipe the floor with it!”. Still, horses for courses I suppose.
The Sony would likely make for an interesting comparison. However, "wipe the floor", I think not. Like most of these types of turntables, the motor units themselves are essentially 'neutral', thus pretty much devoid of character (because they're so well engineered), so what you're largely hearing is the sound of the arm and cartridge.
Therefore, what you'll get from an L-O7D will be rather dependent on which arm and cartridge is fitted. In that respect, the stock arm, whilst pretty good, can be bettered. The Trio does have an inherently 'cool' overall sonic signature, however, in the way of an SP10, which if partnered with the wrong arm or cartridge, can make it sound somewhat sterile.
I did like the L-O7D very much, but ultimately preferred my own modded Technics, as did the owner of the L-O7D(!) which I heard in the same system (Dandy's), along with the Nakamichi, who subsequently sold his Trio, the following week, and bought an Inspire Enigma...
Marco.
Voyd Valdi
http://classicaudio.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_03_2011/post-622-1385471226,005.jpg
Always liked the look of this and it sounded very good. I regret selling mine.
For me, defo NOT a looker (rather too drab and boring - and I'm not into acrylic platters, or whatever that's made from), *But* - it's certainly a 'sounder'!;)
Marco.
No, but maybe they were recent enough for me to label them as "old fashioned".
If you are a young whippersnapper like yourself then maybe they are vintage and cool. ;)
Ha - perhaps... However, I'm a big fan of Bauhaus:)
Marco.
Vrajbasi
07-09-2018, 11:40
For me, defo NOT a looker (rather too drab and boring - and I'm not into acrylic platters, or whatever that's made from), *But* - it's certainly a 'sounder'!;)
Marco.
Agreed the valdi in black is horrible I liked the voyd in oak, the reference had some nice finishes no two woods were the same. I saw a high gloss white reference once rather nice I thought not too everyones taste.
Agreed the valdi in black is horrible I liked the voyd in oak, the reference had some nice finishes no two woods were the same. I saw a high gloss white reference once rather nice I thought not too everyones taste.
I wouldn't go as far as "horrible", just a bit 'meh'... However, as you say, I suspect a nice oak would be better. Still wouldn't improve the look of the platter, though. I'm just not into clear acrylic or perspex on turntables.
This kind of shit:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/cm8SpJ.jpg
That look really does nothing for me whatsoever.
Marco.
Beobloke
07-09-2018, 11:49
The Sony would likely make for an interesting comparison. However, "wipe the floor", I think not. Like most of these types of turntables, the motor units themselves are essentially 'neutral', thus pretty much devoid of character (because they're so well engineered), so what you're largely hearing is the sound of the arm and cartridge.
Therefore, what you'll get from an L-O7D will be rather dependent on which arm and cartridge is fitted. In that respect, the stock arm, whilst pretty good, can be bettered. It does have an inherently 'cool' overall sonic signature, however, in the way of an SP10, which if partnered with the wrong arm or cartridge, can make it sound somewhat sterile.
I did like the L-O7D very much, but ultimately preferred my own modded Technics, as did the owner of the L-O7D(!) which I heard in the same system (Dandy's), along with the Nakamichi, who subsequently sold his Trio, the following week, and bought an Inspire Enigma...
Marco.
Ah, interesting. My TX-1000 is actually Dandy's old one!
Lol... I thought it might've been!:D
It was certainly a minter...
Marco.
Voyd Valdi
http://classicaudio.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_03_2011/post-622-1385471226,005.jpg
Always liked the look of this and it sounded very good. I regret selling mine.
Not my idea of pretty, but some obviously like em. Still its how it sounds thats mostly important to most... not me tho...has to look good, as its a bit of house art as well
Vrajbasi
07-09-2018, 11:56
Ah, interesting. My TX-1000 is actually Dandy's old one!
Love the TX-1000 rare these days superb bit of kit
speedracer
07-09-2018, 12:06
I always feel these sort of threads have the potential to turn nasty when your pride & joy is dismissed by someone as a "kit of shit" or other unkind remark. Beauty is very subjective, every single person ever thinks they know style & class when they see it, yet a huge percentage of everyone else says/thinks they are wrong. Not everyone can be right, or wrong even, it is just the same thing seen through different eyes.
I always feel these sort of threads have the potential to turn nasty when your pride & joy is dismissed by someone as a "kit of shit" or other unkind remark. Beauty is very subjective, every single person ever thinks they know style & class when they see it, yet a huge percentage of everyone else says/thinks they are wrong. Not everyone can be right, or wrong even, it is just the same thing seen through different eyes.
agreed, but folk are allowed an opinion too.:) It would be a sad day in hell if we all fancied the same woman for instance..
Vrajbasi
07-09-2018, 12:23
I always feel these sort of threads have the potential to turn nasty when your pride & joy is dismissed by someone as a "kit of shit" or other unkind remark. Beauty is very subjective, every single person ever thinks they know style & class when they see it, yet a huge percentage of everyone else says/thinks they are wrong. Not everyone can be right, or wrong even, it is just the same thing seen through different eyes.
Agreed totally, we all have our opinion but for me performance comes first, I would hate to think what have is better than everyone elses.
speedracer
07-09-2018, 12:25
Very true Grant, same with pretty much anything, though a lot of what I don't like I can at least appreciate that others would & I would hope that that is the view everyone has instead of dismissing things without qualification.
The thing to remember, Brook, is that it's only hi-fi. No-one's 'insulting' your mother;)
I couldn't give a monkey's what anyone thinks of my kit, or my opinion of what looks good, as long as *I* like it and it looks good to me! Plus, when you post pictures on a forum, of anything, you have to be prepared for others to comment, positively or negatively. Therefore, you can't afford to be 'precious'.
It's just the nature of the beast:)
Marco.
walpurgis
07-09-2018, 12:37
The thing to remember, Brook, is that it's only hi-fi. No-one's 'insulting' your mother;)
I couldn't give a monkey's what anyone thinks of my kit, or my opinion of what looks good, as long as *I* like it and it looks good to me!
Marco.
Bang on there Marco. Exactly my view.
No, but maybe they were recent enough for me to label them as "old fashioned".
If you are a young whippersnapper like yourself then maybe they are vintage and cool. ;)
Naa..he's not. :)
:scratch:
They are both fugly as hell as far as I am concerned.
I grew up in the 'fifties so to me TTs like the Garrard 301 were as fugly as duck ... bit like Granny's flying ones on her wall - or horse brasses :lol:
Decks like the Braun's were refreshingly modern - clean lines, functional - superb engineering (apart from the bits of string...)
Love em all ;)
Naa..he's not. :)
I am compared with Jerry!:D;)
And who are you to talk anyway, granddad?:ner:
Marco.
I grew up in the 'fifties so to me TTs like the Garrard 301 were as fugly as duck ... bit like Granny's flying ones on her wall - or horse brasses :lol:
Decks like the Braun's were refreshingly modern - clean lines, functional - superb engineering (apart from the bits of string...)
Love em all ;)
Hey, my maw wore big bloomers :D Passion killers we called em
agreed, but folk are allowed an opinion too.:) It would be a sad day in hell if we all fancied the same woman for instance..
I know Grant, its all subjective.
No such thing as an ugly woman, only lazy ones... :sofa:
I mean..c'mon, phoar!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrDMFcXSeRuCfMit1LuP817lX615eAE _5toh1BN72GaRpxfHkhcg
Who mentioned bloomers, daftee? He was talking about ducks!:eyebrows:
Marco.
agreed, but folk are allowed an opinion too.:) It would be a sad day in hell if we all fancied the same woman for instance..
Also, your entitled to have your own opinion, but not your own facts...
I know Grant, its all subjective.
No such thing as an ugly woman, only a lazy ones... :sofa:
I mean..c'mon, phoar!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrDMFcXSeRuCfMit1LuP817lX615eAE _5toh1BN72GaRpxfHkhcg
The one on the left is likelier to give a better gobble. Just double-bag it and close your eyes!
Marco.
She cleans up well, same person.
Not sure about the ears...
walpurgis
07-09-2018, 13:07
Also, your entitled to have your own opinion, but not your own facts...
Is that a fact? ;)
I know Grant, its all subjective.
No such thing as an ugly woman, only lazy ones... :sofa:
I mean..c'mon, phoar!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrDMFcXSeRuCfMit1LuP817lX615eAE _5toh1BN72GaRpxfHkhcg
no-ones mum is ugly.... although i will stretch a point there :stalks:
Not sure about the ears...
Something to hold onto when she's swallowing it whole? Just back off a little when you can feel her tonsils.
Marco.
The one on the left is likelier to give a better gobble. Just double-bag it and close your eyes!
Marco.
need more than a double bag there mate
Not if you put a balaclava over her head first!:D
Classic AoS thread drift... Dontcha just lurve it?:lol:
Marco.
walpurgis
07-09-2018, 13:12
need more than a double bag there mate
Crucifix and garlic might help.
Mike Reed
07-09-2018, 13:13
Nice turntable I never quite got on with the sound but very versatile,....
This thread is rattling through today !. Interesting comment, Nari, and surprising, because everything I read at the time suggested that it was the cat's whiskers.
speedracer
07-09-2018, 13:14
I don't disagree with any of that Marco, but I feel that if I want to criticise something I have a responsibility to articulate why I am doing the criticising it, either from a functionality or design point of view.
I am an ex graphic designer & now an artist so that probably explains where I am coming from, I don't think that just blurting out "I don't like that & that is my opinion" goes far enough, but if you can describe the reasons you don't like it then everyone learns something & it becomes positive not negative.
This thread is rattling through today !
Not quite as "pedestrian" then, Mike, as you stated on pfm? :D;)
Marco.
I don't disagree with any of that Marco, but I feel that if I want to criticise something I have a responsibility to articulate why I am doing the criticising it, either from a functionality or design point of view.
I am an ex graphic designer & now an artist so that probably explains where I am coming from, I don't think that just blurting out "I don't like that & that is my opinion" goes far enough, but if you can describe the reasons you don't like it then everyone learns something & it becomes positive not negative.
I completely agree, but I haven't seen any evidence of that here, have you?
Marco.
stairpost
07-09-2018, 13:22
The thing to remember, Brook, is that it's only hi-fi. No-one's 'insulting' your mother;)
I couldn't give a monkey's what anyone thinks of my kit, or my opinion of what looks good, as long as *I* like it and it looks good to me! Plus, when you post pictures on a forum, of anything, you have to be prepared for others to comment, positively or negatively. Therefore, you can't afford to be 'precious'.
It's just the nature of the beast:)
Marco.
Hi Marco,
I think there is a lot to be said for how something is said as much as what is said.
When I posted a thread saying how much I love my new Clearaudio TT, I received positive comments (and a lot of help). You could easily have waded in saying it looks shit and potentially taken the shine off my joy (no one likes piss on their chips) and probably taken the thread in a negative direction. It was considerate that you didn't.
But in a thread about likes and dislikes of TT design, I'd be a bit thin skinned to take offence at your opinion of my beautiful TT :)
A bit of consideration goes a long way, everything in it's place, including "Kit of shit" :)
Cheers
Rich.
speedracer
07-09-2018, 13:28
I completely agree, but I haven't seen any evidence of that here, have you?
Marco.
Other than the "kit of shit" reference, no I haven't. Which is nice.
I missed that, could you quote it?
Marco.
Hi Rich,
Hi Marco,
I think there is a lot to be said for how something is said as much as what is said.
When I posted a thread saying how much I love my new Clearaudio TT, I received positive comments (and a lot of help). You could easily have waded in saying it looks shit and potentially taken the shine off my joy (no one likes piss on their chips) and probably taken the thread in a negative direction. It was considerate that you didn't.
But in a thread about likes and dislikes of TT design, I'd be a bit thin skinned to take offence at your opinion of my beautiful TT.
A bit of consideration goes a long way, everything in it's place, including "Kit of shit"...
I 100% agree! Indeed, if I'd done that, it would've been tantamount to blatant thread-crapping, which we frown upon here. It's a different kettle of fish though, criticising stuff on a general thread like this:)
Sorry I don't like the look of your T/T, but many hate what I consider looks good, especially ancient and obsolete broadcast equipment, so don't take it to heart, mate!:D
Marco.
Is that a fact? ;)
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/sites/ito/files/c9e1095062393a24dab581243efc2de1caad68a4a78377fcb4 a8fe54472060f1.jpg
speedracer
07-09-2018, 13:48
I missed that, could you quote it?
Marco.
It is post number 150 at the bottom of page 15 Marco.
It is post number 150 at the bottom of page 15 Marco.
:doh::o Mine!
For some reason I typed "kit", rather than "kind", so my sincere apologies! Now changed... And of course, "shit" is simply slang for 'stuff'. Hopefully this now puts that post in a rather different context!:)
Marco.
speedracer
07-09-2018, 14:00
It does indeed Marco. :thumbsup:
For me, the most 'graceful' and aesthetically perfect deck is the tricorne shaped T.W. Acustic AC3. Haven't got a pic., unfortunately.
Here ya go:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/Cs5bO6.jpg
Yes, those appeal, but can sometimes look a little 'cluttered' with multiple arms attached!:)
Marco.
It does indeed Marco. :thumbsup:
No worries - that was a major faux-pas!
Marco.
Mike Reed
07-09-2018, 16:12
Not quite as "pedestrian" then, Mike, as you stated on pfm? :D;)
Marco.
Did I? I'm not in the habit of commenting on other forums (except Wigwam where there was a specific thread), so no idea in which context I may have done, Marco. I actually like a bit of pedestrianism (is that a word ?) anyway, as it means I don't have to read through reams, as in some threads, esp. off-topic, on pfm. This thread reached a very fast walking pace; almost jogging. It also inspired me to investigate whether Photobucket still worked. Def. a result all round !:lol:
Mike Reed
07-09-2018, 16:17
Here ya go:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/Cs5bO6.jpg
Yes, those appeal, but can sometimes look a little 'cluttered' with multiple arms attached!:)
Marco.
Very kind of you, and I now realise that I meant the AC1; sorry 'bout that. Yes, the 3 does indeed look cluttered (and does it REALLY need three strong motors?)
Vrajbasi
07-09-2018, 16:51
Very kind of you, and I now realise that I meant the AC1; sorry 'bout that. Yes, the 3 does indeed look cluttered (and does it REALLY need three strong motors?)
I like the multiple arm bit as great for someone like me who likes to experiment with tonearms, as this thread about decks beautiful that does not count as its certainly not that. I had the black night at home some time back and its no doubt an amazing deck superb build etc,I overall found it a bit bright for my taste and a little dry I really wanted to buy it but overall not to my liking as the saying goes you pays your monies etc. The raven decks have never appealed to me but then I have a Sme all be it with a non Sme tonearm, and many have a love hate thing with Sme turntables. Interesting not a single sme pic on this thread
There's an elegant simplicity to some of the Luxman turntables that I like a lot
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/141239120773-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
The Lux was one of my choices (to be precise the PD121 (for 12" arms) or the PD131 (for 9" arms)). :)
Referring back to the Braun TTs, whilst I admire their Bauhaus styling, I do prefer the look of TTs that have a shallow plinth, for example the Lux above, the Thorens 125 and the Linn LP12. Unfortunately shallow plinths means small motors, so one is largely obliged to consider DD.
One of my all time fav's is the Orbe (sorry Marco - acrylic) - I admin the Gyro does look better but I always hankered for the Orbe.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/gninnamag/Hifi/ORBE/New%20Arm/20170531_143849_zpssffwpzfn.jpg
I don't disagree with any of that Marco, but I feel that if I want to criticise something I have a responsibility to articulate why I am doing the criticising it, either from a functionality or design point of view.
I am an ex graphic designer & now an artist so that probably explains where I am coming from, I don't think that just blurting out "I don't like that & that is my opinion" goes far enough, but if you can describe the reasons you don't like it then everyone learns something & it becomes positive not negative.
Articulating why you like something is quite difficult, whether it is the visual arts, music, audio gear, clothing, styling of cars, or as we are discussing here, turntables.
As some would say: "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like". So to with the appearance of audio gear.
It also admits inconsistency - in my case I find the appearance of much of B&O gear beautiful for example, yet I'm attracted to the industrial/laboratory look of a lot of professional audio gear. Again some more inconsistency: I love the look of EMT gear, yet strongly dislike the look of QRK/Rusco/RekOKut designs. :scratch:
So no accounting for taste.
mightymonoped
07-09-2018, 19:19
One of my all time fav's is the Orbe (sorry Marco - acrylic) - I admin the Gyro does look better but I always hankered for the Orbe.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/gninnamag/Hifi/ORBE/New%20Arm/20170531_143849_zpssffwpzfn.jpg
Bit of a red herring this but the aluminium chassis for both the Gyro and the Orbe is likely to have been made at my workplace as we cast said item for Michel Engineering [emoji4]
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jandl100
08-09-2018, 04:29
The Lux was one of my choices (to be precise the PD121 (for 12" arms) or the PD131 (for 9" arms)). :)
Ah yes, so it was. The stretch limo version. ;)
I had to go back and check your first posting as I missed the Luxman amongst all the hideous clunkers that you also posted under your "ugly" heading (all of which I do agree with, mind). I have to say that the stretchy one is the worst looking Luxman tt I have ever seen. :D That vast expanse of bare top to accommodate the longer arm is ludicrous to my eye. Most 12 inch arm turntables strike me that way. I do understand the technical benefits of the longer arm, though.
I think we are just going to have to agree to differ on a lot of the aesthetic stuff, Barry. :)
I was never a fan of the Rock 7 I actually purchased one for a bit of fun not very well made I had to get a replacement twice, I liked the Rock V though I should have bought one as not many were made.
Glad I opted for the Michell deck now!
Mike Reed
08-09-2018, 07:32
I like the multiple arm bit as it's great for someone like me who likes to experiment with tonearms, ...
A.f.a.I.k, the Raven only takes two, as does my Dais, though there are some decks which can accommodate more than two, as 'multiple' suggests (to me). If my experience with trying to set-up cart's properly on my rear arm is anything to go by, taking the alternative route of detachable head-shells seems tempting. Mind you, good eyesight would help ! Those underslung styli and another arm in the physical and visual way make for real p.i.t.a procedures..
Surely a high-end version of the Dansette style turnover cart. is long overdue.:lol:
paulf-2007
08-09-2018, 07:34
Here's an interesting implementation of a DP80
https://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/denon-dp-80-476877.jpg
My ptp lenco was shaped like the top layer of that
paulf-2007
08-09-2018, 07:45
That’s excellent news - come and join the 301 dark side! You won’t regret it!
Any thoughts on the TX-1000? No faux rosewood in sight! ;)
Oi no faux rosewood on my DP80, solid rosewood legs and rosewood veneer, veneer is still real wood isn't it?
ianlenco
08-09-2018, 08:07
Here is Paul's beautiful creation
http://i.imgur.com/DqotApqh.jpg#60Fi3
I too like these flying saucers for their simplicity and of course excellent performance. Mine's a JVC TT-71 motor unit. I read somewhere (Vintage Knob?) that JVC made the DP80 for Denon - they certainly have some similarities of form. Here's mine in JVC QL-7 clothes (plinth and arm with TT-71) before I replinthed it.
http://i.imgur.com/SqqQKgbh.jpg#gWPQG
Here is Paul's beautiful creation
http://i.imgur.com/DqotApqh.jpg#60Fi3
Worry not, Paul! That looks stunning, and is one of the best implementations of housing a DP80 I've seen. A classic example of 'form follows function':)
Your plinth is beautifully finished, and subtly polished to show the lovely grain of the wood, unlike Jap 'faux rosewood'. That's falsely shiny, almost plastic looking, in a sickly 'baboon's arse' red, which combined with a blingy gold platter, for me is simply vomit-inducing!!
Can you tell I don't like it?:D:lol:
Yours sir, however, is class, and shows off the Denon impeccably!!
Marco.
not wishing to detract from his lovely plinth but being an ex cabinet maker and antique restorer there is only 1 highly prized rosewood veneer and thats rio rosewood or brazilian rosewood,used mainly from about 1790,when its sanded is gives off a pleasant floral smell,hence the name rosewood.
stocks started to dwindle by the 60's and now under the CITES treaty it is banned,however subsitute rosewood timber and veneer is now in common use,just like mahogany that looks nothing like the mahogany you see on 18th century furniture.
behold the beauty!
https://s26.postimg.cc/pmf19yumh/h_p_hansen_schreibtisch_desk_attributed_arne_vodde r_10_42913c3f.jpg
the japanese do get it right sometimes,here is my old pioneer plc-1700 with rio rosewood veneer.
https://s26.postimg.cc/pdccj4ert/IMG_1605.jpg
*That* is proper, Jamie, and looks absolutely gorgeous, as it has a lovely rich, warm looking grain!:stalks:
On a lesser level than you of working with wood, I'm a picture framer and have sold loads of real-rosewood veneered frames, which had a similar finish as in the picture you've just shown.
However, now compare the above, or Paul's lovely creation, with THIS blinged-up monstrosity:
http://i67.tinypic.com/1z8brl.jpg
:eek:
:doh:
:no:
:spew:
It looks like shiny Formica, from Hygena QA! Sorry, Geoff!!:eyebrows:
Marco [fighting the war against 'faux-rosewood'].
Can you see where I'm coming from, Jamie, Paul (or anyone else)?:)
Marco.
actually the rosiewood plinth is least of my dislikes, as is the arm. but i dont like the half circle on front, or the black bits...the gold platter is ghastly and doesnt look like it should reside.
Can you see where I'm coming from, Jamie, Paul (or anyone else)?:)
Marco.
yep and i agree,a treacle finish is not my cup of tea either.
actually the rosiewood plinth is least of my dislikes, as is the arm. but i dont like the half circle on front, or the black bits...the gold platter is ghastly and doesnt look like it should reside.
Yup, it's been plonked on simply to make it look flashy and superficially more 'expensive' to tasteless 'key janglers':D
It's just a horrendous mismatch of clashing colours and finishes (gold platter, silver arm and shiny 'faux-rosewood' plinth), combined by someone who obviously should've stuck to engineering!
It probably offends my eyes so much because, due to my job, I'm used to combining different colours and finishes tastefully, and when it's done badly, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Also, I've always hated shiny wood-finishes, which for example, is why I never use gloss paint on doors, etc, around the house, and much prefer the satin/matt look:)
Plus, if I'm colouring or adding a shine to wood, I prefer to use (Liberon) wax, [see link below] not varnish. It always looks warmer and more natural.
https://www.liberon.co.uk/our-products/furniture-interior-woodwork/waxes/
Marco.
yep and i agree,a treacle finish is not my cup of tea either.
Is that what you call it? That's rather apt!:D
Marco.
yep,from my french polishing days,to treacle something up was to give it a sickly shine,:spew:
Yup... "Sickly" is precisely the right word!:thumbsup:
Marco.
jandl100
08-09-2018, 09:31
http://i67.tinypic.com/1z8brl.jpg
Wow :stalks:
My dream turntable :respect:
:D
:lolsign:
Ha- right on cue, here comes Blingy Boy!
Marco.
P.S The decor in your house, in that respect, doesn't reflect your tastes;)
jandl100
08-09-2018, 09:33
A few Wam shows ago there was a gold plated SME turntable and arm that was even more repulsive imo.
Yeah, I seen that - it was utterly atrocious! What was the guy thinking of?:rolleyes:
The King of Bling, however, *has* to be this:
https://youtu.be/2TA0B2AIt4Q
Dangle that medallion baby, and shlip on ya dancin' shooz!:D
:dance::dance:
Xmas pressie for Jerry!!!
Marco.
They could've put more badges on it, though.
Marco.
jandl100
08-09-2018, 09:59
Most likely lacquer
Nope, apparently it was a special in real gold!
jandl100
08-09-2018, 10:05
They could've put more badges on it, though.
Marco.
I do like a bit of fun, but there are limits!
Even for me. ;)
Nope, apparently it was a special in real gold!
That doesn't surprise me, as some of the 'old guard' Wammers [mainly the 'Kondo mafia'] were pretentious show-offs... Their thinking was that if it was good, it had to be expensive:rolleyes:
Badge-fi city! The complete opposite of the approach we advocate here.
Marco.
I do like a bit of fun, but there are limits!
Even for me. ;)
Why then does the decor in your house not reflect you penchant for bling? Last time I visited, it was more a symphony of '70s beige', than bling!:D
Marco.
Spectral Morn
08-09-2018, 10:14
I like the multiple arm bit as great for someone like me who likes to experiment with tonearms, as this thread about decks beautiful that does not count as its certainly not that. I had the black night at home some time back and its no doubt an amazing deck superb build etc,I overall found it a bit bright for my taste and a little dry I really wanted to buy it but overall not to my liking as the saying goes you pays your monies etc. The raven decks have never appealed to me but then I have a Sme all be it with a non Sme tonearm, and many have a love hate thing with Sme turntables. Interesting not a single sme pic on this thread
I have a Graham Phantom on my SME Model 20, massive improvement in sound quality over the SME5 on the same motor unit. My understanding is Bob Graham developed the Phantom with the SME Model 30 in mind and while the Model 20 is no 30 I think it sounds most excellent with the Phantom in place.
One of my all time fav's is the Orbe (sorry Marco - acrylic) - I admin the Gyro does look better but I always hankered for the Orbe.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/gninnamag/Hifi/ORBE/New%20Arm/20170531_143849_zpssffwpzfn.jpg
Actually that works, and looks rather attractive... Probably because I like the look of the Orbe (and its beautifully engineered) fat, black platter, and also the partnering AudioNote arm. I also suspect it would be a rather fine-sounding combination.
Is it yours? :)
Marco.
Yeah, I seen that - it was utterly atrocious! What was the guy thinking of?:rolleyes:
The King of Bling, however, *has* to be this:
https://youtu.be/2TA0B2AIt4Q
Dangle that medallion baby, and shlip on ya dancin' shooz!:D
:dance::dance:
Xmas pressie for Jerry!!!
Marco.
I really like that one whereas I agree with you the shiny plinth one looks terrible. If you're going to bling it, go all out. No halfway-houses.
Hi Mike,
Did I? I'm not in the habit of commenting on other forums (except Wigwam where there was a specific thread), so no idea in which context I may have done, Marco. I actually like a bit of pedestrianism (is that a word ?) anyway, as it means I don't have to read through reams, as in some threads, esp. off-topic, on pfm. This thread reached a very fast walking pace; almost jogging. It also inspired me to investigate whether Photobucket still worked. Def. a result all round !:lol:
Lol... Only teasing! But yes, you made the "pedestrian" remark on pfm, on the thread discussing the 'new Wigwam'. Something about you found things a little slower here and preferred the simplicity of having the bulk of the hi-fi chat all in the one section, as indeed is the case on pfm. Don't worry, no offence was taken!
I agree that that can superficially make things appear slower here, because we have rather more sub-sections, within which activity is spread around, especially if you fail to explore outside of our main area for audio, 'Blank Canvas'. However, quite often, as you've seen here, Analogue Art (or the digital section) can motor along rather quickly, when 'hot topics' are being discussed, such as now!;)
The trick with AoS is to get used to the layout, and the reasons why things were designed that way:)
Marco.
walpurgis
08-09-2018, 10:34
The unassuming appearance of the Conintuo Opus 3 has always appealed to me. It is actually a very high performance deck and is constructed in a similar fashion to the Townshend Rock. I'd like one.
http://i63.tinypic.com/yo328.jpg
I really like that one whereas I agree with you the shiny plinth one looks terrible. If you're going to bling it, go all out. No halfway-houses.
Yes, that's true. It's a key rule of design, unless you're clever enough to know how to harmoniously combine bling and understated.
That's why, for example, when refurbishing and/or designing a house, if you want to make it look 'modern', then go all out and adopt the 'high-tech' minimalistic look [although that's not an excuse for creating an unimaginative 'white wonderland', or making rooms so empty, it looks like you've just been burgled!;)], not what's shown in your average DFS, and the same applies with 'traditional' or 'retro', which can easily stray into 'outdated and old-fashioned', if not done right.
I've seen some horrendous examples of both. You need to fundamentally understand the concepts concerned, before they can be successfully created and implemented!
Marco.
Mike Reed
08-09-2018, 10:57
I have a Graham Phantom on my SME Model 20, massive improvement in sound quality over the SME5 on the same motor unit. My understanding is Bob Graham developed the Phantom with the SME Model 30 in mind and while the Model 20 is no 30 I think it sounds most excellent with the Phantom in place.
My Ramsgate friend swapped his long-standing Orbe and Five out for a used 20/3 with Phantom installed two plus years ago. He stuck his (spare) Helikon on it and still hasn't installed his main cart., the Titan i. Chalk and cheese as far as he's concerned and a lovely combo (as it should be, logically).
Mike Reed
08-09-2018, 11:05
Hi Mike,
Lol... Only teasing! But yes, you made the remark on pfm, on the thread discussing the 'new Wigwam'. Something about you found things a little slower here and preferred the simplicity of having the bulk of the hi-fi chat all in the one section, as indeed is the case on pfm.
The trick with AoS is to get used to the layout, and the reasons why things were designed that way:)
Marco.
Ah, relieved that my comment was purely observational (and was on the Wam thread !).
As someone, despite having an O level art, can't tell the difference between Rembrandt and Monet (I exaggerate for effect), I must admit to having had some artistic routing problems with the otherwise clever concept of AoS. I'm essentially an analogue man, so now restrict myself so that I don't get lost. :)
Spectral Morn
08-09-2018, 11:07
My Ramsgate friend swapped his long-standing Orbe and Five out for a used 20/3 with Phantom installed two plus years ago. He stuck his (spare) Helikon on it and still hasn't installed his main cart., the Titan i. Chalk and cheese as far as he's concerned and a lovely combo (as it should be, logically).
Indeed.
Nice to see you posting more these days Mike :)
jandl100
08-09-2018, 11:11
Why then does the decor in your house not reflect you penchant for bling? Last time I visited, it was more a symphony of '70s beige', than bling!:D
Marco.
It's still the same, I like my surroundings to be easy on the eye and relaxing.
But a few bits of hifi bling can be fun to brighten it up a bit.
Yes, I can get that:)
For me though, I can't own any equipment that jars my eyes. 'Functionally fugly', I can handle though, as indeed you've seen!:D
Marco.
Indeed.
Nice to see you posting more these days Mike :)
+1:thumbsup:
Marco.
The unassuming appearance of the Conintuo Opus 3 has always appealed to me. It is actually a very high performance deck and is constructed in a similar fashion to the Townshend Rock. I'd like one.
http://i63.tinypic.com/yo328.jpg
Much better, Geoff! Although the balance has strayed a little too far towards beige:eyebrows: Not sure what the wood finish is on that plinth, but it's a bit 'vanilla'. It'd have been nicer, IMO, in a traditional light oak or black ash:)
Marco.
Beobloke
08-09-2018, 11:33
Well, I like the Micro Seiki, as I have nothing against a big of shiny rosewood!
Also, Marco, the platter the colour it is because it’s probably made from gunmetal and is this for sonic reasons. You could buy an upgrade gunmetal platter for the Yamaha GT-2000 models, and this was the same colour.
Wouldn't matter how good it sounded mate, I simply couldn't look at it!:nono:
As they say, there's no accounting for taste;)
The Japs do tend to like that kind of shiny 'rosewood' look, with gold. I've seen it often in their vintage gear. I seem to remember Pioneer doing an upmarket 'Reference' range of kit, in the early 90s, in a mirror-finished black with (unarguably immaculately) polished, faux rosewood side-cheeks, with gold trims. Perhaps you recall?
That look appears to epitomise 'Japanese chic', of a certain era. I sold some of the Pioneer stuff in question, when I worked for Bill Hutchinson, in Glasgow. And then of course there's the renowned (for all the right reasons) Pioneer Exclusive P3:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/NrmQSN.jpg
A phenomenally good turntable, but NOT in that bloody awful plinth!!:doh::D
At least it hasn't got a gold platter....
Marco.
Vrajbasi
08-09-2018, 12:22
I have a Graham Phantom on my SME Model 20, massive improvement in sound quality over the SME5 on the same motor unit. My understanding is Bob Graham developed the Phantom with the SME Model 30 in mind and while the Model 20 is no 30 I think it sounds most excellent with the Phantom in place.
I have Just purchased the Phantom Elite 12" its mounted on the Sme 30/12 for now, he developed the elite on the Techdas Airforce one the elite is quite a step forward over the Phantom 3 that I recently sold to a Sme 30/2 owner. I have owned a few phantoms over the years and had a few problems with build etc but still have a soft. The Series Kondo badged V-12 works well on the Micro Seiki I did try the Elite and like the V-12 on the micro. The thales simplicity 2 sounds great on the 30/12. My dealer had a plate made to try the fr66 fidelity research on the 30/12 and just did not work we tried a host of cartridges but sounds amazing on the micro. Bob graham used to own a 30/2 when Sumiko were the importers into the United States I owned a 30/2 graham phantom and prior to that a 2.2 so used to communicate with bob on a regular basis.
Ah, relieved that my comment was purely observational (and was on the Wam thread !).
As someone, despite having an O level art, can't tell the difference between Rembrandt and Monet (I exaggerate for effect), I must admit to having had some artistic routing problems with the otherwise clever concept of AoS. I'm essentially an analogue man, so now restrict myself so that I don't get lost. :)
Lol.... No worries. You may also find mileage in looking through Blank Canvas (for amps and speakers, etc) and Past Masters, if you're into vintage gear.
Marco.
walpurgis
08-09-2018, 12:48
Much better, Geoff! Although the balance has strayed a little too far towards beige:eyebrows: Not sure what the wood finish is on that plinth, but it's a bit 'vanilla'. It'd have been nicer, IMO, in a traditional light oak or black ash:)
Marco.
It's just the lighting Marco. The TT base is actually white.
White? Lol... That makes it even worse! Who on earth would want a matt-white turntable plinth?:doh:
Piano white, *if* it's done professionally, to immaculate standards, can look rather striking, though! I like the design of the turntable, just not in that plinth:)
Marco.
Spectral Morn
08-09-2018, 13:25
I have Just purchased the Phantom Elite 12" its mounted on the Sme 30/12 for now, he developed the elite on the Techdas Airforce one the elite is quite a step forward over the Phantom 3 that I recently sold to a Sme 30/2 owner. I have owned a few phantoms over the years and had a few problems with build etc but still have a soft. The Series Kondo badged V-12 works well on the Micro Seiki I did try the Elite and like the V-12 on the micro. The thales simplicity 2 sounds great on the 30/12. My dealer had a plate made to try the fr66 fidelity research on the 30/12 and just did not work we tried a host of cartridges but sounds amazing on the micro. Bob graham used to own a 30/2 when Sumiko were the importers into the United States I owned a 30/2 graham phantom and prior to that a 2.2 so used to communicate with bob on a regular basis.
I was aware of the TechDas link with Bob Graham, my Phantom is a MK1 and no issues with its quality. Sadly the new arms are outside what I can afford to buy now, but I am very happy with my AMG Giro, so I think that's more than likely it now for me re vinyl replay - but never say never there are a few things I would like to try, Technics SP10 being one such.
I seem to remember Pioneer doing an upmarket 'Reference' range of kit, in the early 90s, in a mirror-finished black with (unarguably immaculately) polished, faux rosewood side-cheeks, with gold trims. Perhaps you recall?
I had a search for the above, and it was the gear in this range:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/8QR97E.jpg
Not too unattractive in a cassette deck, but in a turntable plinth it's a different matter!:)
You can see, however, that the Japs have rather a fondness for that kind of look....
Marco.
Spectral Morn
08-09-2018, 14:18
I had a search for the above, and it was the gear in this range:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/8QR97E.jpg
Not too unattractive in a cassette deck, but in a turntable plinth it's a different matter!:)
You can see, however, that the Japs have somewhat of a liking for that kind of look....
Marco.
I came into the audio trade about the time many companies had that sort of look to their products and I must confess to having a soft spot for wood end cheeks.
Me too! My Sony X-777ES CDP has them, although they're in a matt-wood finish, not highly polished, as those above:)
However, for me, the same shiny 'faux rosewood' doesn't work as a turntable plinth.
Marco.
Spectral Morn
08-09-2018, 14:22
Me too! My Sony X-777ES CDP has them, although they're in a matt-wood finish, not highly polished, as those above:)
However, for me, the same shiny 'faux rosewood' doesn't work as a turntable plinth.
Marco.
I agree.
Mike Reed
08-09-2018, 14:46
Nice to see you posting more these days Mike :)
Thanks, Marco too for his plus point ! You were at AoS before even I was press-ganged into service. I'd no idea Daleks enjoyed such audio longevity ! :lol:
I had a search for the above, and it was the gear in this range:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/8QR97E.jpg
Not too unattractive in a cassette deck, but in a turntable plinth it's a different matter!:)
You can see, however, that the Japs have somewhat of a liking for that kind of look....
Marco.
What you mean like this?
https://i.imgur.com/2poLkE5l.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/8bf35wol.jpg
Lol... Have always enjoyed your posts, Mike. I started posting on forums in 1999 (the old Naim one, when JV himself used to participate)... No wonder I sometimes get jaded!;)
Marco.
What you mean like this?
https://i.imgur.com/2poLkE5l.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/8bf35wol.jpg
:lolsign:
Exactly!! Now, the styling of that T/T works and looks rather lovely... In fact, it's a beauty. I think the absence of gold bling makes a BIG difference!:cool:
Oh, and I bet it all sounds fab.
Marco.
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