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  1. #171
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    Cut 'n pasted from Wigwam as I did forget that Marco's the SL-1210 masta:

    I have noticed some turntable rumble on my SL-1210... I guess this is one unwelcome introduction to vinyl! I have heard that rumble can often be cut into the record in the first place.

    Still, even when a side of vinyl has finished playing & is still spinning, if I crank it up a bit I can see my woofers pumping (not ridiculously so). This really doesn't seem to be an issue at my playing volumes (in a second floor flat).

    Does anyone use rumble filters, or could enlighten me to the cause?

    I am presently using the MC card built-in to my Exposure 2010S, which I do notice hisses pretty loudly with a hint of woofer movement when vinyl's not spinning & volume is cranked right up (feedback?).

  2. #172
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    Hi Yom,

    I've not experienced this before with my 1210, so I'm a little unsure what to advise. Like you say, it could be a feedback problem.

    A few questions:

    What do you sit your deck on - is it a proper equipment support or just a piece of ordinary furniture? Is the 'rumble' present during playback of the music or just when a side of vinyl has finished but is still spinning? And is there often excessive cone excursion when music is being played at moderate volume? Lastly, when was the last time you oiled the bearings on the motor?

    Meanwhile perhaps some of the other 1210 users could offer their thoughts?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  3. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Yom,

    I've not experienced this before with my 1210, so I'm a little unsure what to advise. Like you say, it could be a feedback problem.

    A few questions:

    What do you sit your deck on - is it a proper equipment support or just a piece of ordinary furniture? Is the 'rumble' present during playback of the music or just when a side of vinyl has finished but is still spinning? And is there often excessive cone excursion when music is being played at moderate volume? Lastly, when was the last time you oiled the bearings on the motor?

    Meanwhile perhaps some of the other 1210 users could offer their thoughts?

    Marco.
    It sits on a massive wooden coffee table. Not optimal by any means I know!!!

    The 'rumble' is present during playback, but it isn't a worrying amount, just clearly noticable when A/Bing between the same album in CD & vinyl.

    Haven't oiled the bearing ever.

    There's a small amount of cone movement (at reasonably high volume) when the vinyl's finished but still spinning.

    I am guessing that the table is the root of the problem :P At my listening levels, it's really not a problem, but when I move out & get to crank it up, I think I should invest in a dedicated rack.

  4. #174
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    Yom,

    I think you need to invest in a wall shelf - a Quadraspire one would be good.

    Also, how long have you had your deck and how much use does it get?

    If the answers are a long time and often, get those bloody bearings oiled, or one day you might find that your motor is no more!

    That could well be the cause of your rumble...

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  5. #175
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Mike,

    Could you go to one of these:

    http://www.audiocubes2.com/category/...b93456ce01d1d7

    They are extraordinarily good for the money, and as good as anything up to £1000! It's the usual 'the best stuff goes to the non-UK market' scenario. The AT-33PTG is a veritable giant-killer, and it has the balance of sonic virtues you're looking for. It is also far better than an OC-9!
    Marco,

    I've taken your advice and ordered a 33PTG direct from Japan. It's currently in Lithuania (?!?) according to the 'tracker'.

    If it's crap, it's all your fault and I will be popping round to insert a large garden gnome into you! (guess where I nicked that phrase from?).



    Cheers,
    Mike.
    Shian7
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    Kudakutemo
    kudakutemo

    ari mizu-no tsuki

    Though it be be broken -
    broken again - still it's there:
    the moon on the water.

    - Choshu.

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    Hi Mike,

    Well done. I think I should avoid being 'gnomed' - you'll love it

    Did you use Audiocubes or one of the Japanese Ebay sellers?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Shian7
    --------------------------------------------------------

    Kudakutemo
    kudakutemo

    ari mizu-no tsuki

    Though it be be broken -
    broken again - still it's there:
    the moon on the water.

    - Choshu.

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    Looks fine, Mike. Let us know when it arrives

    You might have to get the deck out of its box, though, to fit it and set it up... Oh the bother-ation

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    You might have to get the deck out of its box, though, to fit it and set it up... Oh the bother-ation

    Marco.
    Oh bugger!

    Err, I best get on with this phono stage too, ahem!

    I've been dithering a bit till I decided what cartridge to use. Last weekend I got fed up of procrastinating and ordered the cartridge and a pair of WD step-up transformers and a few other bit n' piece's including a new Hadcock headshell. The plan is to find some appropriate SS tube and convert it to a 242, adds a bit more mass, see?

    I've got this weekend (excluding tonight) with no on-call or 'other plans' to get in the way. Time to get cracking!

    Shian7
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    Kudakutemo
    kudakutemo

    ari mizu-no tsuki

    Though it be be broken -
    broken again - still it's there:
    the moon on the water.

    - Choshu.

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    Nice piccy of step-up tranny's.

    Yum Yum.

    Shian7
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    Kudakutemo
    kudakutemo

    ari mizu-no tsuki

    Though it be be broken -
    broken again - still it's there:
    the moon on the water.

    - Choshu.

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