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    Default The golden rules for domestic hi-fi

    The idea for this thread came from Tasha and I think it's a good one. All rules are numbered 1:

    1) Always try in your system before you commit to purchasing.

    1) Never try anything at home that you cannot own.

    1) Trust your ears. Measurements can be a useful guide but they only tell a very tiny part of the story. Manufacturers' own measurements are not always to be trusted anyway.

    1) Don't shoot the messenger. Respect hierarchy and synergy. If an amp or cable sounds worse than what you are used to it may simply be telling the truth regarding what is further upstream. If you hear little improvement there may be a bottleneck somewhere in your system. Plan your upgrade path accordingly.

    1) Setup is important. Modest yet well setup systems nearly always outperform exotic systems that are just thrown together.

    This list is not exhaustive. Additions and comments are welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Toy View Post

    1) Don't shoot the messenger. Respect hierarchy and synergy. If an amp or cable sounds worse than what you are used to it may simply be telling the truth regarding what is further upstream. If you hear little improvement there may be a bottleneck somewhere in your system. Plan your upgrade path accordingly.
    I'd add a rider to the effect that

    1) More expensive doesn't necessarily = better. If something more expensive sounds worse than what you're used to, it may just be that it actually is worse.

    This next point kind of implied in your first point, but I'd emphasise that:

    1) Your room is an important element of your listening pleasure. What sounds right in one room might not work in a bigger/smaller/different shaped room

    With regard to upgrade paths, I'd caution that

    1) The upgrade path can become an expensive treadmill. Don't be afraid to jump off.

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    1) Don't believe that what you know is necessarily 'set in stone' truth, even if you believe it is.

    1) Try everything even if you don't think it could possibly be better.

    1) Use hi-fi magazines for information on products, but don't listen to the reviewer's opinions to judge the sound, your ears are for that.

    Lounge:
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    Echo Link streamer
    RME Audio ADI-2 FS (AK4493) DAC
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    Emotiva A2+ power amplifier
    Neat Motive SX1 speakers
    Van Damme 4.00mm tour grade speaker cable
    Audiocrast Spreizbar banana plugs
    Chord Clearway XLR interconnects
    Audioquest Crimson USB interconnect
    QED Quartz Reference optical interconnect


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    2022 MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro 10/16/16/16
    SMSL SU-1 DAC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Toy View Post
    The idea for this thread came from Tasha and I think it's a good one. All rules are numbered 1:

    1) Always try in your system before you commit to purchasing, etc...
    And another from Tasha to you: "You're buying bugger all that isn't CE approved!"

    "And wipe those 'pish catchers' of yours before coming into the lounge!"

    Tee hee...

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    I have introduced Tasha to the concept of 'self certification.' The Copper Amp doesn't exactly have any CE logo on it.

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    What about the 'pish catchers'?

    You won't live that one down, btw!

    Are they banned from the lounge?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    The only thing banned from our lounge is ADM bloody Nines:

    1) Never believe marketing hype spouted by empty vessels.

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    1. If it sounds fantastic - it most likely will be tiring

    1. does it really sound better - or am i kidding myself?

    1. If SWHMO says it sounds crap, it usually does

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    Quote Originally Posted by penda View Post
    ...SWHMO...
    What? What on earth does that mean?!

    Lounge:
    Samsung QE65QN80F 65" QLED TV
    Echo Link streamer
    RME Audio ADI-2 FS (AK4493) DAC
    XMOS DSD Async
    Emotiva A2+ power amplifier
    Neat Motive SX1 speakers
    Van Damme 4.00mm tour grade speaker cable
    Audiocrast Spreizbar banana plugs
    Chord Clearway XLR interconnects
    Audioquest Crimson USB interconnect
    QED Quartz Reference optical interconnect


    Studio:
    2022 MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro 10/16/16/16
    SMSL SU-1 DAC
    Modified Fosi P4 preamp
    Adam Audio T5Vs
    Fenton 10" active sub
    Fosi V1.0G integrated amp
    Roxel RBS 300s
    Several small valve preamps

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    'Er indoors/She Who Must Be Obeyed but the letters in the wrong order.

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