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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Mirror glass platform - might be kool for someone?

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mirror-Gla...019&rmvSB=true
    says it can be used as a cocaine tray... that alone should have it pulled
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    Yes, everyone uses album covers, don't they? Isn't that what the vinyl revival is all about?
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    I have to agree. Most speakers that look like this (not all I'm sure, but most) are from the dire days of inefficient speaker-monsters that needed hundreds of watts up them to make any sort of noise. People wittered on about 'prat' because finesse was a lost concept.

    Indeed these were the very antithesis of the Tannoy or Quad approach (which was all about point source and phase coherence - not exactly a priority with 5-way, super-wide-baffle monsters) ... for the most part these were all about brute force, the few that weren't low-eff like the Cerwin Vegas (wasn't there a pair that looked identical to this?) were simply about loudness ... high-eff in these cases was not about subtletly and getting the most out of single ended amps, but about getting ear-splitting volume from cheap, high global NFB sand lumps.

    Fine for disco fans dusting off the white jump suit, anyone looking for delicacy and emotion can forget it.

    The Akais may well be an exception but I wouldn't touch these with a bargepole.




    Quote Originally Posted by Beobloke View Post
    No - they look awful! Much as I am a fan of well designed big old 1970s loudspeakers, why manufacturers felt the need to come up with rubbish like this I have no idea. The "shove as many drive units on the baffle as you can" approach rarely pays dividends, in my experience.

    There is a pair of Yamahas for sale currently along similar lines http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-NS-...gAAOSw6wRW~9QG




    I bet some people would buy them because they think they might sound like NS1000s - I've heard them and I can assure you they don't!

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    The Sony's are very well built, with drive units as well made as the similar Sansui models of the seventies. I have not owned these speakers, but have used some of the drivers and they are high quality. Some of the older multi unit Japanese speakers can sound extremely good.
    It is impossible for anything digital to sound analogue, because it isn't analogue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    The Sony's are very well built, with drive units as well made as the similar Sansui models of the seventies. I have not owned these speakers, but have used some of the drivers and they are high quality. Some of the older multi unit Japanese speakers can sound extremely good.
    Well I have heard and enjoyed the Yammies but i've also heard some dreadful rubbish from that era ...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Well I have heard and enjoyed the Yammies but i've also heard some dreadful rubbish from that era ...!
    Yes. There were certainly some iffy designs about. The Technics series with stepped baffles for time/phase alignment spring to mind, I did not like those. Nor was I too impressed with the Pioneer HP range either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    I have to agree. Most speakers that look like this (not all I'm sure, but most) are from the dire days of inefficient speaker-monsters that needed hundreds of watts up them to make any sort of noise. People wittered on about 'prat' because finesse was a lost concept.

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    The opposite, really. Most Kabuki designs have efficiency in the mid 90dB range and are easy loads so don't require a lot of power.

    Very high efficiency speakers will show up partnering equipment so if the amp or source is a bit rough-sounding then you will have a poor sound. As for point source these speakers are more like ESL57 with a bit of slam in the way they present the sound. Not quite as 'boxless' as an ESL but you get the idea.

    Once you get into the 1980s you get efforts like the Yams Adam linked to that are just a mug's eyeful and not worth more than £50 punt IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    The opposite, really. Most Kabuki designs have efficiency in the mid 90dB range and are easy loads so don't require a lot of power.
    That is true. Efficiency is high. Check out the big and lovely old seventies Sansui SPs with the wood fret grilles. Mid nineties sensitivity and very musical. If I recall, they sourced drive units from Coral and speaker units don't come much better made than that.
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    Rather nice Supex cartridge tracking force gauge in Japan. Should be lovely quality. £35.50.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPEX-Styl...YAAOSwKfVXH26s
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    cheap 774 with free turntable!
    be quick it wont be on for long at the price.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mission-77...QAAOSwKfVXJ1S4
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