Ashley & JC's assorted musings

[Steve Toy]

Ashley, folks would be less likely to see it all as a cynical trick if they didn't get the rhubarb treatment.

Your products, like everyone else's, have to stand up to the ultimate scrutiny...

[shane]

I've listened to the AVI stuff at the Bristol Show. Absolute rubbish. Flat presentation with no three dimensional sound stage. No instrument/voices in space and a general shoddy one note bass sound.

Greg is talking through his hat and if he understood the theory, he'd not have made such daft comments.

Theory: Stereo image width is dictated by drive unit dispersion characteristics, but primarily diameter and the phase coherence between tweeter and bass driver and the two speakers. Phase accuracy of ADM9's is within 1 degree between drive units and a pair of speakers so there's nothing made that's better.

Interesting, this. Greg has spent the last god-knows-how-many years developing a system that produces image width, depth and height in spades. He has, like most DIYers, become adept at identifying the factors in his (and many other) system that affect these aspects of performance, since they are important to him, and identifying subtle changes in prsentation that would escape most listeners. In the process, he has had to swallow his pride many times and accept that his prejudices are incorrect, to the extent of, for example, dumping thousands of pounds-worth of belt drive turntable in favour of a beat-up old Garrard 401, despite having been a fervant advocator of belt drive previously, so he is not afraid of changing his mind in the face of new evidence.

Are you seriously suggesting that if you had patiently taken him to one side in Bristol and explained the theory to him, he would suddenly have become aware of a wonderful three-dimensional presentation that he hadn't noticed before?

[shane]

Sorry Greg, I just re-read my post. Your 401 is beautiful...

[Marco]

That's a very good point, Shane, and welcome back

Please, as they say, don't let 'the b*stards' get you down!

Regards,
Marco.

[evilpsycho666]

Ashley, Your products, like everyone else's, have to stand up to the ultimate scrutiny.

I think the ultimate scrutiny is the market place generally not just you Steve Toy.
You do seem remarkably biased steve, after all the products have been exhibited at bristol two years running and have gained wide sales approval and many testimonials, particularly from the more professional users,
It just seems to be a few valve enthusiasts and struggling dealers who are so heavily prejudiced against them, particularly on this forum.
From what I see and read on the internet generally they are very well thought of by everyone who has used them. Its only people who dont own them that complain about them.

[anthonyTD]

I think the ultimate scrutiny is the market place generally not just you Steve Toy.
You do seem remarkably biased steve, after all the products have been exhibited at bristol two years running and have gained wide sales approval and many testimonials, particularly from the more professional users,
It just seems to be a few valve enthusiasts and struggling dealers who are so heavily prejudiced against them, particularly on this forum.
From what I see and read on the internet generally they are very well thought of by everyone who has used them. Its only people who dont own them that complain about them.

come on jc,
stop messing about come clean, only you could defend avi with this amount of pasion.
[if i am wrong i am truly sorry]

[evilpsycho666]

Anthony it took a while for me to realise you were addressing me as jc. I assure you this is not the case, but unlike your friend Marco you have issued your aplology in advance. but dont repeat his errors please. I dont see it as a specific defence, I am just stating facts which are plain to see and anyone can check for themselves. Is this forum so heavily prejudiced that its not worth reading or posting.

[Mike]

I think the ultimate scrutiny is the market place generally not just you Steve Toy.
You do seem remarkably biased steve, after all the products have been exhibited at bristol two years running and have gained wide sales approval and many testimonials, particularly from the more professional users,
It just seems to be a few valve enthusiasts and struggling dealers who are so heavily prejudiced against them, particularly on this forum.
From what I see and read on the internet generally they are very well thought of by everyone who has used them. Its only people who dont own them that complain about them.

Hi evilpsycho666 (!?)

I think it's more a case of people here being sick to death af having AVI rammed down their throats in so many different threads. No matter what the original topic had been at the start. You could say that 'the dynamic duo' have a bit of a track record on this.

Cheers,
Mike.

[jcbrum]

Mike I feel I must make it clear that I am a user of AVI equipment and although it is not the only thing I have posted about ( I seem to recall a long discussion about class A valve amps, and also about Class D stuff) I would feel discriminated against unfairly if I were not allowed to discuss the equipment that I think is the best, and which I own.

I have put this concept to Marco and he agreed with me, and stated that there were no rules such as that.

I usually only post on one thread at a time and do try and stick to the topic. It is usually other people who like to introduce adm9's and the like by feeling they can make derogatory statements about them without any real understanding of the technology or where hifi is at in the present market.

Generally I think I'm unfairly being given a bad press here, because I don't subscribe to the same view of legacy kit, and home made attempts that others do.

I might be a lone voice but I'm not rude or insulting in the way that others seem to think is OK. and occasionally I make some attempt at humour.

Even E666 seems to be getting flak for pretending to be me.

I'm really beginning to feel as if the whole world is against me and that I have no friends left anywhere (choke), .. (sob) ... I'll have to stop ......

[Colinx]

From what I see and read on the internet generally they are very well thought of by everyone who has used them. Its only people who dont own them that complain about them.

And why would that surprise you, I have noticed that if people buy something, and like it they do tend to sing its praises, whereas if they have heard it, and did not like it they don't buy it, and seldom have very many complimentary things to say on it's behalf. That added to the fact that if you want to listen to music you simply have to do it with a mac laptop of some description, and of course some active speakers from, errrr sod, forgot.

Just out of interest does any one happen to know how the google bot's work?