Ashley & JC's assorted musings

[Marco]

Oi, grumpy, this is a classic thread in the true A.O.S tradition

Marco.

[jcbrum]

Hello Mike, Hello Blue Max,

Ash needs rescuing, Marco has disciplined him unfairly and deprived us all of his input.

Marco, please have a look back thro' the earlier part of this thread. You will see that Mr C, and Richard used far more derogatory personal terms about me and Ashley than "plonker"

I chose not to respond at all, because quite frankly I don't give either of them much credibility.

However Marco, you did fail to call out the personal derogatory attacks on Ashley, and that was an error if you later wish to discipline Ashley for replying with the term "plonker"

It is indeed mild compared to what they called him here and on other threads.

I think they were doing it on purpose so as to try and antagonise Ashley deliberately and that is a clear breach of AUP.

Marco this is all your fault and you have got to put it right.

You should accept that you didn't give Ashley the support that he deserves and allow his retaliation in the face of uncorrected name -calling by others.

We were all having a good time till this cropped up and I think we should continue.

Please sort it out. pretty please

[Filterlab]

Not before I've taken you up the hills first and shagged you!



Marco.

P.S We may be able to 'work something out' with the amps. PM me and I'll tell thee of my idea.

I hope it's not 'that' kind of working something out.

Oi, grumpy, this is a classic thread in the true A.O.S tradition

Marco.

Damn straight! Who'd have thought this thread was about the price of oil.

[Marco]

Marco this is all your fault and you have got to put it right.

It's hardly all my fault, JC. I wasn't involved in the name calling. The fact is Ashley's robust style of posting and headstrong attitude is bound to cause him problems. He's already admitted that he knew he'd piss some people off and he's not been far wrong! He must have factored this into the equation.

I don't 'have to do' anything. Ashley's a big boy and more than capable of defending himself without your help. However in the interests of fairness if you feel Ashley's been ill-treated then quote me direct text from Mr C and Richard that you feel is in breach of the AUP, even though there isn't one - we have an ethos instead, and I'll have a look at it

Marco.

[jcbrum]

Here are some examples, from recent posts. They are not the worst. they are just the first 3 or 4 that I came upon.

There are about 20 or thirty more across all the threads.

You did pick up on one of the others which was to admonish Richard for using the derogatory term "walking disease"

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Richard
Marco you made your bed with these idiots,

Since when is talking to a couple of hi-fi spin doctors entertaining?

Since when has a marketing man been a "significant expert" on anything but marketing, which is the skill of telling lies (nowadays relabelled as spin) and bullshit. In that my dear fellow you are truly a significant expert.

Colin

are you aware of the many alternate definitions of expert,
one of my favorites being, ex- as in something that has been spurt, as in drip under pressure

Ash

No offence Mr C but you're a bit of a plonker if you don't think we do real world listening.

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In Ashleys defence he had been under severe pressure from derogatory remarks, and he DID preface his remark with "no offence" meaning he did not intend to disrespect Mr C, but merely categorise Mr C's BEHAVIOUR at that instant as being that of a "plonker".

I actually think that, in context, this was "fair comment" and no more than we all say and do on many occasions.

After all, who is to say that at that moment Mr C wasn't having a tempory bout of being a plonker. We may never know.

BUT, Marco you merely told Richard to cease and desist, which he ignored, and then you force ashley to "apologise" for something that is probably "fair comment" if taken in context.

Marco, you are only human, but you have not been even handed here,

You should relieve Ashley of his burden to apologise on this occasion, as you did not require the same performance of the other parties in the matter.

By all means admonish all involved but lets see the same rules for everyone.

I hope you agree Marco. Regards JC.

[Mike]

Dammit.... I was trying to leave this thread alone, and it pains me to say that I think JC may have a point I'm afraid.

[Colinx]

If I am to be dragged into this then you should take the entire ref, not just the reply, Ashley's posting was -

It seems to me that most one here have elaborate systems that bring them as much pleasure as the music, not something that appeals to me but perfectly understandable as is listening to turntables. However, if you are critical of what we (and other significant experts) are absolutely sure is a significant advance in the quality of sound reproduction, I'm bound to respond.

my response was to the other significant experts, not a direct crack at Ashley, I actually felt I had been restrained in response.

[anthonyTD]

Here are some examples, from recent posts. They are not the worst. they are just the first 3 or 4 that I came upon.

There are about 20 or thirty more across all the threads.

You did pick up on one of the others which was to admonish Richard for using the derogatory term "walking disease"

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Richard
Marco you made your bed with these idiots,

Since when is talking to a couple of hi-fi spin doctors entertaining?

Since when has a marketing man been a "significant expert" on anything but marketing, which is the skill of telling lies (nowadays relabelled as spin) and bullshit. In that my dear fellow you are truly a significant expert.

Colin

are you aware of the many alternate definitions of expert,
one of my favorites being, ex- as in something that has been spurt, as in drip under pressure

Ash

No offence Mr C but you're a bit of a plonker if you don't think we do real world listening.

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In Ashleys defence he had been under severe pressure from derogatory remarks, and he DID preface his remark with "no offence" meaning he did not intend to disrespect Mr C, but merely categorise Mr C's BEHAVIOUR at that instant as being that of a "plonker".

I actually think that, in context, this was "fair comment" and no more than we all say and do on many occasions.

After all, who is to say that at that moment Mr C wasn't having a tempory bout of being a plonker. We may never know.

BUT, Marco you merely told Richard to cease and desist, which he ignored, and then you force ashley to "apologise" for something that is probably "fair comment" if taken in context.

Marco, you are only human, but you have not been even handed here,

You should relieve Ashley of his burden to apologise on this occasion, as you did not require the same performance of the other parties in the matter.

By all means admonish all involved but lets see the same rules for everyone.

I hope you agree Marco. Regards JC.

jc,marco, ash,
to be honest, and for the record, IMHO i think its all been a bit silly realy, and what is a plonker anyway, we all take the mick out of each other from time to time,[i am always doing it] but when its meant with malice, thats destructive, and can lead to further, more serious acusations if not curbed, marco, i think was right to intervien, but only to stop things in their tracks before it went to far, ash, i must say, you do antagonise people to the point they lash out on ocasions,thats not a criticism, its a fact, but i understand your pasion for your produts...i think if ash only related to the fact that someone must be a plonker because... and not directly said your a plonker full stop, then, maybe its a case for a re-think. i am sure mr C has much too broader shoulders to let this sway him... of course this is just my view....
anthony...

[jcbrum]

With respect Colin, I don't agree, the context of your reply did seek to illustrate Ashley, and maybe others as well, in a derogatory light, and di increase the pressure on him.

To his credit he did not persue your remark, but that doesn't excuse such an unnecessary insult whoever you claim you directed towards.

[Marco]

Jeez, it's like being in a bloody kindergarten. Ok...

JC, I can't see any personal remarks in that lot that Mr C has written. As far as I can see Ashley called Mr C a "plonker" without Mr C making a personal remark towards him... Show me some evidence of Mr C making personal remarks to Ashley, and I'm talking about stuff such as "idiot", "plonker", "dickhead", or words of that nature.

The only other thing I can see is Richard's use of the word "idiot", which is inappropriate and which I will now remove.

The fact is Ashley was "under severe pressure from derogatory remarks" because of the remarks he was directing at others, and because his views on hi-fi are so diametrically opposed to most people here. You cannot 'convert' people to something they don't want to be converted to in the first place. If you try it they simply rebel, no matter how 'right' you think you are. That's human nature.

There's an old saying that goes: 'You reap what you sow'. Ashley would do well to think about that.

Basically, the ball's in Ashley's court whether he wants to post or not. I'm not asking him to apologise for anything and he's not banned. I will remove his "plonker" remark myself, but I'm not spending any more time on this nonsense.

Marco.