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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
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    When the Croft is being used as a phono-stage only, through the Goldpoint, then I leave things as normal, as the latter does not phase invert the signal. If I'm using the Pi, through the Croft (not the Goldpoint), then I would reverse the polarity of the speaker cables on the Copper amp, as the Pi doesn't phase invert, but the Croft does.

    And if I'm using the Pi, through the Goldpoint (without the Croft), I leave things as normal, as neither of those items phase invert the signal. Essentially, in any scenario where the Croft is the last thing that the signal 'sees', before going to the power amp, you would reverse the polarity of the speaker cables. In all other instances, you would leave things as normal.

    Hope that makes sense

    Marco.
    I kind of see... lol - righto, but if you are using the Croft (as a phono stage) through the Goldpoint then it will still need the speaker cables inverting at the power amp surely because the Croft is inverting and the phase isn't being corrected in the Goldpoint (or does it?).

    If you are using the pi through the Goldpoint and don't invert the cables on the power amp (after listening to some vinyl) then it wouldn't sound right....

    lol... anyways, carry on chaps... ignore me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Adder View Post
    but if you are using the Croft (as a phono stage) through the Goldpoint then it will still need the speaker cables inverting at the power amp surely because the Croft is inverting and the phase isn't being corrected in the Goldpoint (or does it?).
    To my ears, it sounds best there left as normal. Inverting the speaker cables, in that scenario, makes it sound worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyTD View Post
    My own personal reasons for using Switched attenuators were founded a long time ago,the main one being Accuracy,over conventional pots etc, Therefore i needed a good Switched attenuator that not only performed well sonically, but was reliable, and would fit into the space i had available, i also knew the switch type that DACT use as i had used versions of it too in earlier products, those were the initial reasons for choosing the DACT type, however, i also believe that the small footprint of the components lessen the problems that can be associated with larger, conventional resistive elements, ie; contact areas of the resistor material to connection ends, and the affect vibration has on each type etc. As for one type being sonicaly better over the other, well, that is always going to be subjective, as Marco has found by replacing certain material types in his experiment, however, in my opinion, the positives of switched attenuators on the whole, made from either surface mount, or conventional resistive elements[what ever the material] compared to conventional pots are always apparent to me.
    I would love to see evidence of changes in sound due to vibration in resistors in domestic or professional audio applications, got any?

    FYI: In the aerospace industry component performance under severe vibration is a apparently a critical performance test, NASA apparently recommend that resistors (the metal element) are connected into circuit with a flexible intermediate conductor IE a thin wire....presumably because the wire acts like a vibration absorber of some sort increasing the reliability of the part....I can't imaging anything in audio that would be comparable....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    I would love to see evidence of changes in sound due to vibration in resistors in domestic or professional audio applications, got any?
    Well, Clarity Cap, for example, consider that the phenomenon is relevant in capacitors [so why not also resistors?], and have conducted extensive research into the matter: http://www.claritycap.co.uk/products/mr.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    To my ears, it sounds best there left as normal. Inverting the speaker cables, in that scenario, makes it sound worse.

    Marco.
    Ok... Now I'm confused, but there are far more things to get confused over so I'll go and find something random, like how many bytes are in a kilobyte... it's not 1024 bytes any more... apparently, oh no... it's now 1000 bytes??... so I'll leave it there... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Almost. We just need to find a cure for Metaphysical Solipsism, which obviously is rife in certain parts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Adder View Post
    Ok... Now I'm confused, but there are far more things to get confused over so I'll go and find something random, like how many bytes are in a kilobyte... it's not 1024 bytes any more... apparently, oh no... it's now 1000 bytes??... so I'll leave it there... lol
    Apple bytes are smaller, so you need more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awkwardbydesign View Post
    Or understand what it means, in my case!
    Wiki is your friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical_solipsism

    Remind you of anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Well, Clarity Cap, for example, consider that the phenomenon is relevant in capacitors [so why not also resistors?], and have conducted extensive research into the matter: http://www.claritycap.co.uk/products/mr.php

    Look, therez coloured graffs there and everyfink!
    Sorry, it's meaningless, where is the detail of their extensive research, a capacitor is not a resistor ...so my original question about resistors still remains.
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