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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    Does this help - featuring my very own Croft preamp before being sold to me ......
    Thanks Dave I have seen those, with accurate feedback eq, that's why I was surprised at my findings with the 25R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techno Commander View Post
    Hence why I look to the pro audio industry for inspiration and equipment.
    +1 from me...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Cheers for the info, Dave. You know me with measurements, though... I don't really give a toss. Ultimately, it's about what sounds best!

    Marco.
    Such an excellent statement...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    Such an excellent statement...!
    If it sounds good and measures good- then it's good. If it sounds good and measures bad- you're measuring the wrong thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    After further research I now know that Glenn uses passive equalisation in the 25R but way off standard RIAA curves.
    The lower turnover of usually 3180 uS is something like 5700 uS, whilst the upper turnover is way less than the normal 75 uS, or even 50 uS.

    No wonder there was a tonal difference
    I suppose it's one way of re-mastering vinyl.

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    Someone with a new croft preamp should just measure it if they're bothered.
    What I can say is that in the past, when I've compared cd vs vinyl of the same recording, synchronised and level matched, I could detect no tonal anomalies whatsoever when switching between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    After further research I now know that Glenn uses passive equalisation in the 25R but way off standard RIAA curves.
    The lower turnover of usually 3180 uS is something like 5700 uS, whilst the upper turnover is way less than the normal 75 uS, or even 50 uS.

    No wonder there was a tonal difference
    Have you tried using a 4-pole filter with the Neumann time constant?

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    No but then I don't need it as my eq is not the one in error.
    I found the published results from Stereophile and the measured curve is quite wrong: http://www.stereophile.com/content/c...r-measurements

    Marco - I found an earlier posting saying your Charisma was measured flat to 100KHz by AnthonyTD, I assume that includes the RIAA so no worries

    Alan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    Marco - I found an earlier posting saying your Charisma was measured flat to 100KHz by AnthonyTD, I assume that includes the RIAA so no worries
    Indeed, Alan. It'd have been from the last time the amp was on Anthony's test bench.

    Incidentally, don't get me wrong, I wasn't 'worried' if the RIAA curves Glenn had used were different from standard (far from it!) I was merely suggesting that, if that were the case, it might partly explain why the phono stages in Croft preamps always sound so superb, and better than many others.

    Therefore, if Glenn had deliberately 'voiced' his phono stages in that way, by tweaking the RIAA curves, then as far as I was concerned, he was to be APPLAUDED (for the quality of his ears), not derided!

    I always admire audio designers who push the boundaries and challange 'currently accepted wisdom', not simply pander to what text books say is 'correct'...

    Marco [who couldn't give a tinker's cuss about 'correct measurements', as long as it sounds good].
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    ..... and challenge 'currently accepted wisdom'...
    With that, like not needing any exotic components...oh hang on that's another one of Glenn's as well isn't it?

    Alan
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