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    Jerry, thanks for the offer but as I don't run a motor I am restricted to going to the same places as the railway tracks

    As amps go the Alto is a very quirky design but that's no reason why it cannot work well in context. They were quite highly rated by the press with the exception of HFW. Your MBL speakers seem to be very forgiving of amplification in any case. Anyways try swapping in a pre-power at some point, just for me

    I'm interested to hear what the Technics will do in Martin T's system, I reckon it will be totally killer but we'll see I guess.
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    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > Troels Gravesen Faital 3WC-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Jerry, thanks for the offer but as I don't run a motor I am restricted to going to the same places as the railway tracks
    Well, there are stations at Lydney, Gloucester ...

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    They were quite highly rated by the press with the exception of HFW.
    Aha! - so you chose the one source that agreed with you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Your MBL speakers seem to be very forgiving of amplification in any case.
    That is very true - they are astonishingly easy to drive for any amp, ime.


    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Anyways try swapping in a pre-power at some point, just for me
    I plan to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Well, there are stations at Lydney, Gloucester ...



    Aha! - so you chose the one source that agreed with you!



    lol - yes but I have heard the Alto a few times although not in any of my own systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    Fair enough, Martin!

    It sounds fabulous in my system. Astonishing clarity, musical presence, speed, dynamics, bass depth and control, image focus. What's not to like? - well, OK, it's not a sound for those who like to relax in a smooth ambient haze, and some folks do which is fair enough, but it does me very nicely indeed. - Paul Refc rated it very highly, too, so it's not just me kidding myself.

    System synergy? Personal taste?
    Who knows? - not me!

    You're in Staffs - not a world away if you travel round a bit - come visit the lovely Forest of Dean and you're welcome to pop in for some choons and a pizza and hear for yourself!
    Yes. Cracking amp for the money Jerry. It doesn't matter a fig which magazine has said what about it. If it sounds good in your system, then it is good in your system and that's all you need to know. The sound stage was a little 2-D and 5kHz upwards-ish could be a little strident but only with some recordings, so that may not have been attributable to the amp. No piece of kit is perfect. I've heard Naim pre/power amps costing many times more sound a lot worse when it comes to upper HF than the Alto in some systems. It's not bad by any yardstick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reffc View Post
    It's not bad by any yardstick.
    Considering they can be had for £80ish these days I'd rate them a lot better than 'not bad' in the sound per pound stakes.
    Analogue: Technics SL1210 M5G, AN Arm One/II, Blue Angel Mantis MC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I'm interested to hear what the Technics will do in Martin T's system, I reckon it will be totally killer but we'll see I guess.
    I simply don't know what to expect, Martin, and that's fine with me. I'm glad it has balanced outputs as that will make for easier comparison with my Ayre. Hopefully it'll arrive well packed, that's my usual concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    I simply don't know what to expect, Martin, and that's fine with me.
    I think you'll hear the potential, but it'll be a little rough around the edges. Given the sheer resolution available from the Ayre, I'm pretty certain that the presentation of the Technics will need to be refined more before it could become your primary digital source.

    The important thing when contemplating upgrading such a component (as indeed you know all too well yourself) is in identifying its main strengths and having the confidence to implement the right plan, in order to address its weaknesses.

    Talk to Mark Bartlett first about what is possible, in terms of modifications (and don't dismiss the effectiveness of Bybee filters, which he's keen on, and that I use inside my Sony) and then agree on your plan of action.

    Incidentally, what DAC chips does the SL-P1200 use? I don't think it's TDA-1541s, is it?

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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    It's a Burr Brown chip, Marco
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    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > Troels Gravesen Faital 3WC-15.

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    Cheers, Martin, that's what I suspected, and it should be capable of really good results.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    If it's comparable to the Burr Brown DACs inside my old Pioneer PD-91, then it'll have all the right ingredients for greatness.

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