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    Default The Mike New ETP Platter

    I've had the chance to sample Mike New's competitor to the Funk Firm platter for the Technics SL-12xx series direct drive turntable, the 'ETP'. This platter is made of a very dense plastic called ETP (Engineering Thermo Plastic) or, commercially, Delrin. It's a precision material that lends itself well to machining and shaping. The ETP is a one-piece design with no separate mat required. This could help cost considerations when comparing with other platters that require a mat. There is a slight indent for the record label, otherwise the surface is flat bar the two threaded holes for inserting bolts to ease lifting the platter off the bearing. The top half of the platter has an exact 12" diameter, which really helps when lifting and placing records; the bottom half is sized to fit the recess in the chassis. The finish is very smart in black and there is sufficient depth even for those, like me, who have fitted the base plate modification to strengthen the bearing mount, lifting it a few mm in the process. Delrin is, by design, an inert material with great internal damping. When I strike it while in position on the bearing, it sounds as dead as a very dead thing.

    Swapping over the magnet assembly to the new platter, things are a tight fit and I found it best to align the trailing edge of a tooth on the speed sensor cog exactly with the red dot before tightening down with the three hex bolts provided, using them to pull it into the recess. I also applied a little Vaseline to the rim of the magnet assembly to make future removal a little easier. Another dab went onto the taper of the Mike New bearing (per Mike's advice) before lifting the platter over the spindle and dropping it in place. Fit is excellent with absolutely no movement or rocking between taper and platter.

    The ETP is heavier than the Funk at 2.3kg versus 1.4kg for the Funk / Achromat or 2kg for the stock platter. Rotational momentum is also about the same as stock, judging by the brake adjustment required to get the platter to stop, which was dead centre of the potentiometer travel in my Mk. II. This is a handy reckoner for any given platter, the original metal MN platter requiring almost the full adjustment travel to get the motor to stop it dead.

    So to the sound: well, I'm officially impressed. The ETP sounds to my ears better overall and more exciting than the Funk platter with Achromat. The improvements are specifically in the upper midrange / lower treble area, where there is more detail, edge definition and overall clarity. In fact, that’s it in a nutshell. These attributes make the whole very much more enjoyable, with a sense of verve and musicality that’s infectious. It doesn’t make a bad recording sound good, but at least I hear more of what went in even if it’s horribly limited. Take a good recording, however, and I am definitely hearing more than I’ve heard before. Vocal harmonies are better separated, allowing the individual voices to be differentiated. Plucked acoustic and electric string have a degree of edge definition I've not heard before. Struck drums have more shape to them. This is not a brighter sound, it's more that there is tonal shading in that all-important upper midrange area where things were in retrospect a little grey. Dynamics are helped because of the better-defined shape of transient notes, not something my Technics lacks but it's always very welcome. Overall, it makes a very compelling sound indeed and I find myself pulling more and more vinyl from my shelves.

    The ETP platter is a really superbly engineered product, Mike - thank you. I'm buying this one.

    http://www.mikenewaudio.com/





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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    The ETP platter is a really superbly engineered product, Mike - thank you. I'm buying this one.
    Hahahaha - that was quick!!!

    Have you tried it yet with the Achromat? I'd be curious to know what effect that has.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Interesting review in that no mat was required Martin. I have always thought a hard material may sound better (oyaide mat as an example)
    and a lot of the higher end turntables have delrin platters.

    I hope Marcos platter turns up soon!

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    David, did your Techy have an ETP platter fitted when I heard it at your bake off? And if so, did it have a mat on it? I can't remember.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    David, did your Techy have an ETP platter fitted when I heard it at your bake off? And if so, did it have a mat on it? I can't remember.

    Marco.
    It had the vantage platter on chief with NO mat, just vinyl direct onto copper, am I alone in thinking mats are not needed here?

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    Dunno, but I suspect that the results will (as always) be system-dependent. Thanks for the clarification, though

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us View Post
    I hope Marcos platter turns up soon!
    Indeed... I can promise you one thing, though - I won't be reaching such a definitive conclusion so quickly!

    That, incidentally, is no slight on Martin, as he obviously felt that in his system the improvement with the ETP was so obvious, he had to have it. However, I tend to leave things more on a 'slow burn' before conclusively making up my mind on anything in audio.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Indeed... I can promise you one thing, though - I won't be reaching such a definitive conclusion so quickly!

    That, incidentally, is no slight on Martin, as he obviously felt that in his system the improvement with the ETP was so obvious, he had to have it. However, I tend to leave things more on a 'slow burn' before conclusively making up my mind on anything in audio.

    Marco.
    That's you, most of us can here instantaneously if something is better!

    Only messin of course

    So how long is a slow burn? The platter is 30 days to make up your mind

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    That'll be enough!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hahahaha - that was quick!!!

    Have you tried it yet with the Achromat? I'd be curious to know what effect that has.
    Not really, I've had enough time to form a positive opinion that isn't going to change. The ETP works better on its own, I tried it with the Achromat but that then goes back a step towards the Funk sound.

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