I guess he heard it as Andy normaly has it configured.
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I guess he heard it as Andy normaly has it configured.
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[QUOTE=Mike_New;497391]still the same it appears MikeOriginally Posted by chris@panteg
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Guys I'm at work I will update when I have some time.
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Sure, but did he hear it sans SUT, directly through the MC input of his phono stage, before the Paradise entered the equation?
*That* is the question, amigo. If not, an opportunity was missed to demonstrate the superiority of an SUT, over an active MC stage, in the context of Andy's system.... Let's face it, he wouldn't have kept the ST-80SE if it didn't improve things
The Paradise may have been overall better, but that would only have been because it outperformed his Sugden Masterclass PA4, when comparing one phono stage against the other.
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I'll leave aside the SUT versus active bit..... but the Paradise doesn't have MM input.
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Well, no doubt Si will be along in a bit to clarify; but there doesn't seem much point in listening to the Sugden without the SUT if that is how Andy normaly uses it - as Jez says, the SUT couldn't be used with the Paradise even if you wanted to. The Paradise is inherantly a MC stage and cannot be configured for MM.
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Yup, Mark, I fully understand that, but that's not what I'm getting at. Let's remove the Paradise temporarily from the equation... What I'm getting at is if Simon got to hear Andy's Sugden phono stage with and without his SUT?
If not, an opportunity was missed to demonstrate the superiority of an SUT, in the context of Andy's system (therefore backing up previous arguments here over the claimed efficacy of SUTs), as the fact is he wouldn't be using it if his T/T sounded better connected directly to the Sugden.
If that was demonstrated to Simon, and he heard the improvement the ST-80SE provided in that context, then it would've added to his experience of SUTs, and moreover, provided further subjective evidence showing that SUTs can improve matters in the right circumstances, thus demonstrating that it is a valid approach.
Ya gets me now?
We will obviously have to wait until either Andrew or Simon confirm if the above comparison was carried out or not.
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Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
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Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
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[QUOTE=Mike_New;497391]Mike , I have learned this from Richard Peachey , he spent over 20 years working on DD turntables , he claims he understands the science behind the SL1200 series ! And I believe him , I have a large number of emails containing technical information which is mostly beyond my understanding to be honest .
But he made it very clear to me , using a solid high mass platter is a mistake , he tried it himself over ten years ago , adding a big and beefy PSU will not overcome this as some believed , there is a little leeway but not much .
I'll try and dig through the emails again and perhaps pass on some though not all of the info as some of it I promised not to divulge .
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Ah, I yeah, you mean did he get a demo of the Sugden with and without the SUT? Dunno, in short
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Is Richard an electronics design engineer? I am no expert on the historical genesis of DD TTs but it would seem that perhaps he must have worked on the SL designs if it was 20 years ago, in which case talking to him would be instructive.
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