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    Quote Originally Posted by synsei View Post
    Fair enough. I'm not slighting either manufacturer by the way, this is all about affordable alternatives. I would hope that anyone who brought such a product to market would do their homework first otherwise they'd be on a hiding to nothing, luck shouldn't have anything to do with it.
    Indeed, but the point is, can you afford to take the chance and throw away your £300? I doubt that such a specialised item, aimed at, in the grand scheme of things, a tiny audience, would ever be sold on a 'sale or return' basis. Effectively, if it didn't work out, you'd be waving bye-bye to your money.

    At least if you bought a Mike New or Funk platter, and disliked it, sonically, (which is extremely unlikely if you were upgrading from a stock Technics platter), there would be an established user-base to sell it on to, who are aware of the efficacy of those products. That would very unlikely be the case with an unknown product only recently brought onto the market by a new company.

    In any case, the point is moot, as I don't believe that a bespoke platter, of requisite quality, could be produced commercially for £300 by any company who had a notion of turning a workable profit.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Indeed, but the point is, can you afford to take the chance and throw away your £300? I doubt that such a specialised item, aimed at, in the grand scheme of things, a tiny audience, would ever be sold on a 'sale or return' basis. Effectively, if it didn't work out, you'd be waving bye-bye to your money.

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    Not if bought brand new via mail order - they have to give you 14 days by law assuming it originates in the EEC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Indeed, but the point is, can you afford to take the chance and throw away your £300? I doubt that such a specialised item, aimed at, in the grand scheme of things, a tiny audience, would ever be sold on a 'sale or return' basis. Effectively, if it didn't work out, you'd be waving bye-bye to your money.

    At least if you bought a Mike New or Funk platter, and disliked it, sonically, (which is extremely unlikely if you were upgrading from a stock Technics platter), there would be an established user-base to sell it on to, who are aware of the efficacy of those products. That certainly wouldn't be the case with an unknown product only recently brought onto the market by a new company.

    In any case, the point is moot, as I don't believe that a bespoke platter, of the quality necessary, could be produced commercially for £300 by any company who had a notion of turning a workable profit.

    Marco.
    User bases build up over time due to reputation they don't just magically appear, even Mike and Arthur had to start somewhere. You may be correct regarding £300 not being a commercially viable target, however stranger things have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Al View Post
    I phoned Funk today and they said as I use a mike new bearing they think the bearing taper is bigger so the funk wont fit

    I just ordered a Mike NEW ETP
    Finally I can comment on this - I wasn't prepared to say anything before hand as I don't usually reveal any info relating to on going reviews before publishing them (I won't be commenting further on the Funk mk2 by the way).

    I am in the process of doing a whole Technics related uber review - early stages but under way finally - and I have a new MK2 Funk Platter in as part of the review and it will work on any modified Technics bearing and the original bearing but it will not work with any of the existing Mike New bearings as Mike's bearing does not accurately match the profile of the original Technics bearing, so sadly the new Funk MK2 platter which does won't fit the Mike New bearing as it exists now.

    When I say won't fit it will go on, but the Funk mk2 Platter will rock back and forward as there is a gap when sitting on a Mike New bearing. I really wanted to hear what the Funk MK2 sounds like on the MN bearing but alas I can't just as well I bought a Vantage Audio modified bearing (though I also have a Technics fitted with original bearing too) - though based on all the issues with VA at the minute it won't officially be part of the review.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Not if bought brand new via mail order - they have to give you 14 days by law assuming it originates in the EEC
    That is a good point Martin

    The market for bespoke platters for the Techie is finite and perhaps producing such an item which retails for £300 is unrealistic, but it would be a fascinating project to explore for someone with the skills and the facilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by synsei View Post
    You may be correct regarding £300 not being a commercially viable target, however stranger things have happened.
    Indeed - and I'll leave it there, as I've made my point

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by synsei View Post
    That is a good point Martin

    The market for bespoke platters for the Techie is finite and perhaps producing such an item which retails for £300 is unrealistic, but it would be a fascinating project to explore for someone with the skills and the facilities.
    My understanding is several have tried and failed as there is a key part of the plater assembly that is very hard and time consuming to make.

    The bit with the red circle, which is a key component to driving the platter.




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    Well, if that is the case Neil then I will be sticking with the original platter for a while. I will consider trialing the Inspire item when funds allow, unless a secondhand Vantage platter comes up in the meantime

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    Quote Originally Posted by synsei View Post
    Well, if that is the case Neil then I will be sticking with the original platter for a while. I will consider trialing the Inspire item when funds allow, unless a secondhand Vantage platter comes up in the meantime
    Yes it is sadly, and at the end of the day everyone out there making Technics related stuff are not beholden to each other to make interchangeable items with anyone else products but instead follow their own ideas and if some work with others great and if not then one needs to decide whose approach best suits their listening/system preferences and buy into that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Al View Post
    Looking to change my platter

    1210mk11

    I see Mike New does the new ETP design

    Anyone tried one ?

    Any alternative makes available ?
    I asked Mike a week ago to send me a platter, you can borrow it when it arrives, sorry just noted you ordered one anyway!

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