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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    I was following the description of this forum as "All cable/equipment support discussion". I need to listen much more tonight (I can't wait to get home as it sounded superb last night) and then I'll post a review in Strokes
    'Discussion', in that instance, refers more to debates/enquiries than describing in any detail the sonic merits of a particular cable. This section can of course include a little of both, but when a post is turning into more of a review than anything else, its natural home is SOG. Of course, when I made my original comment, I didn't know that you were later intending to post a 'full-blown' review there.

    I look forward to reading that in due course

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    In the main (excuse the pun) I'm a believer in good quality mains leads, I can hear the improvement they make. I also believe in the law of diminishing returns, so if you have spent over a thousand pounds (approx) on a mains cable then you may be a little biased to the advantages.
    The bottleneck described in an earlier post does not take into account the bottleneck in every mains lead including the £1000 jobby, the 13amp fuse. No matter how thick the cable is the power still has to go through this very inexpensive item. Should you decide to use a more suitable 3 or 5 amp fuse the problem is even worse. In my own leads I have compromised and use Bussmann 10amp fuses with the exception of the lead that supplies my Isotek Orion distribution block which uses a 13amp fuse. Even worse, most HiFi equipment that have internal protection use fuses of less than 2amps and that includes power amps, most are in the milli-amp region.
    To the guys that use Ultimate Mains leads, enjoy your purchases, and I also look forward to reading your reviews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive197 View Post
    In the main (excuse the pun) I'm a believer in good quality mains leads, I can hear the improvement they make. I also believe in the law of diminishing returns, so if you have spent over a thousand pounds (approx) on a mains cable then you may be a little biased to the advantages.
    The bottleneck described in an earlier post does not take into account the bottleneck in every mains lead including the £1000 jobby, the 13amp fuse. No matter how thick the cable is the power still has to go through this very inexpensive item. Should you decide to use a more suitable 3 or 5 amp fuse the problem is even worse. In my own leads I have compromised and use Bussmann 10amp fuses with the exception of the lead that supplies my Isotek Orion distribution block which uses a 13amp fuse. Even worse, most HiFi equipment that have internal protection use fuses of less than 2amps and that includes power amps, most are in the milli-amp region.
    To the guys that use Ultimate Mains leads, enjoy your purchases, and I also look forward to reading your reviews.
    I compare them to any other upgrade.
    Kit cost £100s or £1000s and these bits of wire easily hold their own at both those levels.
    I'm still not over my amazement that mains cables can make a difference to a system
    This amount of difference is seriously bonkers, especially taking all the other bottlenecks you mention into comparison.
    One of the big plusses about mains leads is you can keep them as you upgrade kit.
    You can always borrow one and hear for yourself
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    If somebody would like to loan me one of these cables, I am only to pleased to evaluate within my own system. The issue as I see it is, I don't think my system while very good is up to your standards and the cable may not be able to shine as it may do in yours.
    SOURCE: SME12A Turntable with SME Series V tonearm/Hana Umami Red, or Audio Technica AT-OC9XSH, PS Audio Stellar Phonostage, Shanling CD 80MkII, OPPO UDP-205 BluRay, SkyQ.
    AMPLIFIER: Bryston BR-20 Pre/DAC/Streamer & Bryston 4B3 Power Amplifier
    SPEAKERS: Spendor D7 on Iso-Acoustics Gaia Neo III’s
    HEADPHONES: OPPO PM-1 with Atlas Zeno cable, B&W Pi8.
    CABLES: Analogue: Speaker: Atlas Mavros Grun. Interconnect - Atlas Mavros XLR x3.
    Digital:Audioquest Carbon Ethernet x 4, Audioquest Carbon digital x2, English Electric 8 Switch, Chord Optichord, Atlas Optical.
    Mains: PS Audio Perfectwave AC-05 x 7, Isol-8 Powerline Extreme with Quantum Science yellow fuse on input cable, Sounds Fantastic 6way Mains Blocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive197 View Post
    If somebody would like to loan me one of these cables, I am only to pleased to evaluate within my own system. The issue as I see it is, I don't think my system while very good is up to your standards and the cable may not be able to shine as it may do in yours.
    Looking at your system list Clive I think you do it a gross mis-service.

    I had many customers of my own mains cables that reported very good results with Cyrus kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Effem View Post
    Looking at your system list Clive I think you do it a gross mis-service.

    I had many customers of my own mains cables that reported very good results with Cyrus kit.
    Hi Frank, my system is very good and I do not under-value it at all, bit it still is not in the same league as others on this forum. Some people have spent double on their systems (not that on its own makes them twice as as good) the law of diminishing returns again.
    I get superb results from the 12 or so mains cables I use and as Mike says it's Bonkers because nobody really understands how or why.
    SOURCE: SME12A Turntable with SME Series V tonearm/Hana Umami Red, or Audio Technica AT-OC9XSH, PS Audio Stellar Phonostage, Shanling CD 80MkII, OPPO UDP-205 BluRay, SkyQ.
    AMPLIFIER: Bryston BR-20 Pre/DAC/Streamer & Bryston 4B3 Power Amplifier
    SPEAKERS: Spendor D7 on Iso-Acoustics Gaia Neo III’s
    HEADPHONES: OPPO PM-1 with Atlas Zeno cable, B&W Pi8.
    CABLES: Analogue: Speaker: Atlas Mavros Grun. Interconnect - Atlas Mavros XLR x3.
    Digital:Audioquest Carbon Ethernet x 4, Audioquest Carbon digital x2, English Electric 8 Switch, Chord Optichord, Atlas Optical.
    Mains: PS Audio Perfectwave AC-05 x 7, Isol-8 Powerline Extreme with Quantum Science yellow fuse on input cable, Sounds Fantastic 6way Mains Blocks.
    ACCESSORIES: Keith Monks Prodigy+ RCM
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    How many of you cable fans have calculated or measured the current your system draws, amps? What did you find? I'm glad my expectation bias prevents me from hearing these improvements saves a packet in cash and worry if I got the best cable.

    Enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive197 View Post
    Hi Frank, my system is very good and I do not under-value it at all, bit it still is not in the same league as others on this forum. Some people have spent double on their systems (not that on its own makes them twice as as good) the law of diminishing returns again.
    I get superb results from the 12 or so mains cables I use and as Mike says it's Bonkers because nobody really understands how or why.
    Well my answer to that is to ask David at MCRU to borrow this aforesaid wonder cable to have a play with it

    No good me asking the man for a loaner because I have a girt big captive mains leads on my amp and conditioner

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    The other issue is, where would it be most effective? The mains block, Pre Amp or streamer. Can't put it on one mono power amp.
    SOURCE: SME12A Turntable with SME Series V tonearm/Hana Umami Red, or Audio Technica AT-OC9XSH, PS Audio Stellar Phonostage, Shanling CD 80MkII, OPPO UDP-205 BluRay, SkyQ.
    AMPLIFIER: Bryston BR-20 Pre/DAC/Streamer & Bryston 4B3 Power Amplifier
    SPEAKERS: Spendor D7 on Iso-Acoustics Gaia Neo III’s
    HEADPHONES: OPPO PM-1 with Atlas Zeno cable, B&W Pi8.
    CABLES: Analogue: Speaker: Atlas Mavros Grun. Interconnect - Atlas Mavros XLR x3.
    Digital:Audioquest Carbon Ethernet x 4, Audioquest Carbon digital x2, English Electric 8 Switch, Chord Optichord, Atlas Optical.
    Mains: PS Audio Perfectwave AC-05 x 7, Isol-8 Powerline Extreme with Quantum Science yellow fuse on input cable, Sounds Fantastic 6way Mains Blocks.
    ACCESSORIES: Keith Monks Prodigy+ RCM
    STORAGE: Synology DS216J NAS with 2 x 3Tb WD Red hard-drives. Samsung 500Gb SSD.
    TV LG55B7 OLED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clive197 View Post
    The other issue is, where would it be most effective? The mains block, Pre Amp or streamer. Can't put it on one mono power amp.
    I would connect it to the mains block, where the biggest current draw is

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