Richard's hi-fi ranting 'Room 101'

[anthonyTD]

Sorry Steve and Marco, but I have to disagree. JC is simply a happy customer who auditioned many manufacturer's hardware and settled on AVI. If he can't rave about how good it is on a hi-fi forum then where can he? Ashley has, as far as I have read, not used this forum to turn every thread into an AVI 'informercial' at all, he's simply (and quite rightly) discussing his angle on hi-fi and AVI's products as a result.

Remember that when we invite manufacturers to join, we tell them that they may promote their products at will. What good is it if we suddenly decide to remove that offer once they start talking about them? Also if we have to place a ban on discussing AVI products, then surely we have to place a ban on talking about ANY manufacturers products. Mmmm, great basis for a hi-fi forum and does it not completely go against the very fabric of our original intentions for The Art of Sound?

I have purposely avoided coming on whilst this thread has been growing, I wanted to let it run its natural course and see the result. The result is as posted in the Notice Board section which was a little unexpected to say the least bearing in mind the excellent relationship we have with our trade members. Personally I think it's a mistake, but then we can't all agree 100% of the time.

That's my penneth worth, for what it is worth.

even though i am probably the last one to comment on this decision, being at the oposite end [sort of] to ashley in terms of the the type of equipment we are involved with etc,i have to agree with rob, i found ashley very knowlegeable at times, even though we would probably never agree much on anything "hi fi" so, i think not allowing him, and people like him to at least have their say on this forum is a real shame, i know things got a bit heated and ashley with hindsite probably would agree that maybe he should have had a more open mind to some of the other guys own views of what makes for a good musical experience, or not, but hey,what do i know!!!

[Steve Toy]

Anthony,

We may yet be able to broker some kind of compromise...

AVI make great kit apart from ADM bloody 9s and Rob has just bought some of it...

[Filterlab]

...and Rob has just bought some of it...

Almost, but not actually purchased yet. The power amp (S21ma V2.0) is currently sitting at the top of a very large pile. I've just got one pair of monoblocks to hear first.

[Marco]

Guys,

I hear what you're saying. At the end of the day, all I want is what is best for the forum, and what keeps the majority of our membership happy. It should always be remembered that a forum is only as good as the people in it, and what we consider appropriate or of benefit may not be so to others.

Therefore to that effect, I propose we conduct a poll and ask our membership to vote on Ashley and jc. The poll will run for a couple of days to allow everyone the chance to vote and I will stand by the results of the poll and respect the majority decision.

Rob,

Would you care to do the honours?

Marco.

[Filterlab]

I'm on it now babes.

[Mr. C]

I must admit, I have found these threads most entertaining in the last few weeks, conversely also saddening too that manufacturers have resulted basic low level slanging matching in the public domain.
As pointed out, both Richard and Ashley are articulate and intelligent people, who are knowledgeable individuals. I believe they contribute to the whole, even if their views are biased.

'Professional hat off time'

In the red corner weighing in at 210 pounds 'Ashely squawk box power monitor III James' tag line, PC audio is were its at

In the blue corner tipping the scales at 195 pounds 'Richard the whole audio industries a bunch Cnuts and robbing smoothing talking bar-stewards who would steal the grannies boot laces for a £5' Nva is where its at!

Ashely's seconder Jcb the ' the Conditioned rabid pit bull on speed' with instant level V force field activation in the defense of avi squawk boxes.

Now While I agree with the majority of the common sense in some the replies here, in that Yes JCB has a right to support any product he uses and likes and say so (free speak/Churchill and all that!). He has to accept the fact that not every one in the free world is a lover of the those little powered monitors as should Ashely and therefore should be awarded the same courteous.
In the same vein Richard's bitter and twisted cynicism out weighs my own by a factor of 10 to the power 2M lol!
Richard also stated he was possibly needing to registrar for VAT, now I believe the Vat threshold is around the £60K mark? with all the protestations and high profile antics on forums obvious his sales have made a huge leap ;-)
How about some decent reasoned debate rather than taking pots shots at each other all day chaps?. Not too much to ask.
Tony

[jandl100]

Well, it's Mr. C (Hi Tony! ) - nice to see you here, you are much missed in "another place".

I'd certainly support a call for more reasoned debate, and now that a certain rabid dog is hopefully peeing on a different lamp-post that looks more likely to happen.

Be kind to Mr Dunn, though - his heart really is in the right place, I think - even if he does see the world thru cynicism-tinted spectacles!
(What colour is cynicism anyway? - sort of a blotchy yellowy-purple, perhaps).

[WikiBoy]

I must admit, I have found these threads most entertaining in the last few weeks, conversely also saddening too that manufacturers have resulted basic low level slanging matching in the public domain.
As pointed out, both Richard and Ashley are articulate and intelligent people, who are knowledgeable individuals. I believe they contribute to the whole, even if their views are biased.

'Professional hat off time'

In the red corner weighing in at 210 pounds 'Ashely squawk box power monitor III James' tag line, PC audio is were its at

In the blue corner tipping the scales at 195 pounds 'Richard the whole audio industries a bunch Cnuts and robbing smoothing talking bar-stewards who would steal the grannies boot laces for a £5' Nva is where its at!

Ashely's seconder Jcb the ' the Conditioned rabid pit bull on speed' with instant level V force field activation in the defense of avi squawk boxes.

Now While I agree with the majority of the common sense in some the replies here, in that Yes JCB has a right to support any product he uses and likes and say so (free speak/Churchill and all that!). He has to accept the fact that not every one in the free world is a lover of the those little powered monitors as should Ashely and therefore should be awarded the same courteous.
In the same vein Richard's bitter and twisted cynicism out weighs my own by a factor of 10 to the power 2M lol!
Richard also stated he was possibly needing to registrar for VAT, now I believe the Vat threshold is around the £60K mark? with all the protestations and high profile antics on forums obvious his sales have made a huge leap ;-)
How about some decent reasoned debate rather than taking pots shots at each other all day chaps?. Not too much to ask.
Tony

You really should learn to read before you spout.

There is a thing here called an archive, search under Richard and find me any post where I have promoted NVA. You will even find posts where I have refused to promote it, you will find posts where I have asked to be *not* called a trader as I do not wish to trade here. I have even explained fully why I am not pursuing sales and wish to stay small. Strange it may seem but true and obviously outside of your comprehension. The pursuit of more leads to more overheads more time more agravation, as well as more money, and in fact past a certain stage means you get less. You then have to do a *lot* more to break through that barrier and most businesses are subsequently pulled down by their overheads. There is a level of production which maximises return v work (I am a lazy sod) it is siting at vat limit. It was my intention on re-starting just to do this. I am not interested in challenging the big boys or even the middle size boys like AVI, I am not (on my own) capable of challenging them.

Part of the advantage of being like this is I can call a spade a spade and tell about the industy as it is. The industry has lived in delusion for years motivated by the slurp triumvirate - marketing man - reviewer / editor - retailer. The world is changing, my thesis is that this current state of affairs has had its day, new forms of commerce are emerging. My desire is to be the finger pointing, not the moon.

I have a real decision coming up as to wether I deliberately restrict sales even more or I accept a degree of expansion in order to include products I have the desire to produce - it is a real delemma. Luckily I can hold off this decision until I move house, and moving in the present housing environment is a bag of nails. So I may try to avoid it for a while. I have taken a high presence in this deabate because I have been chuntering for years to myself and people who know me about the state of the industry, but now the control powers are waning, as I have said many times, so I am giving it a push. The rip off retailers have had their day, most will go bust over the next couple of years in this recession. They have slurped off the customers for the last time IMO.

If you think I am wrong then test it - do one of these vote thingies and ask if customers think they get a good deal through the traditional marketing in this country - yes right!! that is why you charge twice as much on average for the same product as opposed to a US or Far Eastern dealer.

Someone has to *rant* the changes as they happen and I decided to do it.

There is no nva promotion from me and there wont be any. BUT I cannot deny who I am.

[Mr. C]

Richard,
I believe you when you say you do not self promote. Possibly others are batting on your behalf with incentives.
There are ways and means of going about this, (FWIW I do actually believe in around 40% of your views).
I just do not have the time to write reams and reams about who/what and were fores.
I have a business to operate and customers that need service and expertise and we are busy.
One thing I will say is this, the hifi industry in the country will/need and is having to chance those that don't will fall by the way side.
However, there are a few companies that are ON the BALL and who sussed this issue quite a while ago. Customer service and the ability to delivery the goods, not 30% cheaper by internet, BUT actually make it sound right, and provide the back up and friendly open advice. Simple box shifting and the numbers cannot provide this verbaitum.

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the words, you will still find me around, though these days my work load is getting 'interesting'
Now and again I can find the time to answer a few forum queries and muse with rest.

Tony

[WikiBoy]

Richard,
I believe you when you say you do not self promote. Possibly others are batting on your behalf with incentives.
Tony

OK you have got my goat you twisting little sod.

Name one person who bats for me and what incentive is provided to them, if you do I will sue, if you can't you can stick your innuendo up where it belongs, Fff-ing cheek!

Retailer desperation, try to kill the piano player not the tune. Well the tune is on automatic, you can't stop it.