NVA interconnects

[Audioman]

Jason.

Thanks for the explanation. I'm quite happy to withdraw any accusations I made. Frankly the photo on initial observation could have been assumed to represent the initial failure. My point was that other issues may have had some influence on your posting the cable in state of repair as turns out. My worry was this may unfairly portray this as typical when many people report complete satisfaction with RD's cables. I'm sorry to hear you feel that you were conned by the Statement NVA product. They were considerably more expensive and I am wondering how the case could improve the sound. Frankly going by Richard's philosophy of keeping it simple they may do the opposite. It's notable that the 'statement' range is not available at present on ebay. However it can't be denied that NVA product does represent superb value for money when compared to hi-fi sold through retailers both bricks and mortar and on-line.

While I can understand your actions re-entering the HFS web site as admin I think may have been a little unwise in hindsight. So wiping of the current admins access was not right and proper in my view and could leave you open to criminal action. Richard does boast how he accidently was given admin rights on another forum and spied on their 'secret' conversations, so a bit of the pot calling the kettle black here. Frankly I don't want to take sides here but just avoid any unjustified NVA bashing.

Paul.

[synsei]

Now that this thread has been hacked to shreds it is difficult to document just how it developed, however it all started to go horribly wrong from post 10...

Boys, if you are going to start throwing your weight about then at least abide by your own rules, eh? Either make a stand against this tyrannical twat or STFU about him, you can't have it both ways...

[Marco]

Indeed, Dave. As Martin has said, the thread has been re-opened, for a short while, simply to allow some people (on both sides of the fence) to have their fair say. I *really* hate locking threads (and thus stifling discussion or 'gagging' people) unless it is absolutely necessary.

However, this one will duly be closed once 'business has been concluded', as it were, on the main subjects under discussion - and then in future all chat about RD and HFS will be strictly banned. Therefore, your further constructive input is welcomed, or if you have nothing more to add, then I would ignore this thread until it is killed.

Marco.

[Audio Al]

I am loosing the will to live , keep seeing this thread pop up , and all the previous NVA topics

And I am not reading it either

Does anyone know a site for slanging matches ? .co .uk or .com

[Andrew B]

I have to agree. Apart from Martin Ts initial comments about NVA cables, nothing else has stuck to Marcos initial stipulation on re opening the thread. Did anyone even bother to read this:

"However, any discussion about RD or HFS will be strictly banned, not only on this thread, but throughout the forum in future (there will be an announcement made to this effect in due course), as I no longer want AoS infected with that poison."

[Figlet108]

Thanks for the explanation. I'm quite happy to withdraw any accusations I made...

Thank you Paul, I appreciate it.

...My worry was this may unfairly portray this as typical when many people report complete satisfaction with RD's cables...

Agreed, and I believe that RD himself has said on HFS that he gets about 10% of SSPs sent back broken. Although, don't quote me on that and there's a thread about it on HFS (but I don't dare go on HFS and find it - I don't think I can bear to see what they are writing about me right now )

...I'm sorry to hear you feel that you were conned by the Statement NVA product. They were considerably more expensive and I am wondering how the case could improve the sound. Frankly going by Richard's philosophy of keeping it simple they may do the opposite. It's notable that the 'statement' range is not available at present on ebay...

As well as those 'Statements' I also have an older metal case A80 and a newer acrylic A80. I could start a thread reporting my bake off findings but there's no point. They all sound the same, and I'll just attract more hate posts on HFS... Statements are not on ebay, you need to contact RD directly for those.

However it can't be denied that NVA product does represent superb value for money when compared to hi-fi sold through retailers both bricks and mortar and on-line.

Again, completely agree. I own 2x 'Statement' amps, 2x A80s, 2x A60s, 1x A40, 1xAP20, 1xP90SA, 1xP50, 1x vintage TIS and various speaker and interconnect cables. Let me repeat: in my opinion and experience NVA = good sound; good value; poor construction / fit'n'finish; and potentially very poor service. Others will have a different opinion and experience. Hopefully at this point in the thread you can believe that to be a genuine opinion based on experience as a user and not a biased and prejudiced agenda.

...While I can understand your actions re-entering the HFS web site as admin I think may have been a little unwise in hind site...

Again, I don't disagree. Heat of the moment stuff based on emotion and frustration. Sometimes bullies need to be confronted...

...Frankly I don't want to take sides here but just avoid any unjustified NVA bashing.

No one wants to see any business bashed without justification, including resellers, distributors, more successful hifi brands and hifi press.
It would also be nice if people, reviewers, forums and moderators were also not bashed without justification...

thanks,
Jason

[Audioman]

Now that this thread has been hacked to shreds it is difficult to document just how it developed, however it all started to go horribly wrong from post 10...

Boys, if you are going to start throwing your weight about then at least abide by your own rules, eh? Either make a stand against this tyrannical twat or STFU about him, you can't have it both ways...

Dave you can't complain and then call RD a tyrannical twat. The problem is that as soon as anybody mentions NVA people who have fallen out with him use it to slag of his products which as far as I know are excellent and professionally made. All the instances of faulty product highlighted appear to have been sourced second hand or been obtained indirectly. Not purchased straight from NVA via the Ebay shop. For everyone who has an issue with Richard Dunn I meet someone who has nothing but praise. I know he will repair anything without question that is still under warranty.

Paul.

[Marco]

The first interference came after RD insulted the wife of a customer who sent in his broken SSPs to be fixed...

Honestly, I'm not making this up - the AOS thread is here. Interesting to re-read that actually, and see Moonshiner's comments and also the interactions of many of the same people as on this thread.
I commented that there was never an excuse to insult a customer's wife (which incidentally is the kind of behaviour that put me off working with RD)

Hear, hear (on both accounts)!! I'm afraid that it's another valid example of RD's ridiculous double standards, together with how out of touch he is with reality, as he frequently accuses others of behaving exactly as he does, yet when he behaves that way, it's allowed!!!

He accuses me (for example) of 'insulting' his wife, which I proved elsewhere was complete nonsense, yet he blatantly insults the wife of one of his customers, and considers that behaviour as acceptable. Like I said: total and utter double-standards and zero grasp of reality.

As has been said before, the biggest problem with the man is his fundamentally abrasive nature towards people and lack of self-awareness, coupled with either his inability to realise this (i.e. he considers his aggressive and confrontational temperament as 'normal'), or he fully realises exactly how he is, but doesn't give a f*ck. Unfortunately, if it's the latter, then that fully explains why he's always at the centre of conflict - and always will be unless HIS attitude improves.

Quite simply, if you treat people with utter disdain and contempt then don't be surprised when they return the compliment!!!

RD is on record as saying:

"Now a statement of fact, I am a reactionary, I do not initiate conflict, never have done and I challenge anyone to find where I have done so. BUT if people attack me or NVA then they have declared war and I will enjoy responding in as strong a manner as I can."

The above ably proves what I've referred to above, as he seems totally unable to grasp (or admit) that it is most often his abrasive nature towards people, in the first place, that initiates the conflict! Furthermore, examine the ridiculous language he uses: "they have declared WAR". War? Have you ever heard anything so utterly absurd?? It's a hi-fi forum, FFS...!! That says a lot about how the man's addled brain works!

One of the main reasons for RD being banned from AoS was because of his inability (in normal conversation) to stop referring to people as 'idiots', who either just simply didn't agree with him or who perhaps hadn't fully understood what on earth he was on about. This lead to all sorts of conflict, when the person who RD had called an 'idiot' returned the compliment (sometimes with interest), whom RD of course then declared 'war' upon (as he could only see their insult and not his original inflammatory remark that had kicked it all off)!!

The knock-on effect of this was that the mod team and I were inundated with reported posts, both from RD himself (as he felt that he had been the only victim) and also all those he had insulted, originally unprovoked. This got so bad that I couldn't leave the bloody house, and the forum 'unattended', for fear of returning to World War Three!!! It was a totally untenable situation, and so regardless of anything else, that was the main reason why RD had to go. I simply had no intention of bringing that level of daily aggravation and stress into my life. He will never accept this of course, but I can assure you that it's the truth.

Perhaps, in 'his world' it's acceptable (unprovoked) to refer to people as 'idiots', and/or where similarly abrasive and aggressive behaviour is considered 'the norm', but certainly not in the world I (and other decent people) inhabit. I'm simply not used to dealing with bad tempered, rude and argumentitive people and being addressed in such a disrespectful way, as RD appears to consider as acceptable. I'm used to being surrounded by cheery, pleasant, well-mannered, well-adjusted, non-aggressive people in real life, and therefore I refuse to share webspace with someone who is the complete opposite and who appears to care not one jot for anyone but himself. That's it in a nutshell.

"The onus is on the person who created the conflict to end it, not me."

No, my friend, the onus is on YOU to behave like a decent human being, by treating others with politeness and respect when they have done nothing (or very little) to deserve otherwise - then the vast majority of the conflict you so readily attract will disappear. However, pigs will fly before that happens.

Marco.

[Marco]

I have to agree. Apart from Martin Ts initial comments about NVA cables, nothing else has stuck to Marcos initial stipulation on re opening the thread. Did anyone even bother to read this:

"However, any discussion about RD or HFS will be strictly banned, not only on this thread, but throughout the forum in future (there will be an announcement made to this effect in due course), as I no longer want AoS infected with that poison."

In fairness, Andrew, I did stipulate that the above rule would be applied AFTER this thread has been closed and all parties have had their fair say. Therefore, this is the final opportunity for everyone to 'get things off of their chest', if they feel so inclined. There is a limit, though!

Marco.

[Audioman]

In fairness to those on AOS who are asking WTF is HFS and to RD having a right of reply here is a link to the AOS thread on HFS. Peeps can then draw their own conclusions about the situation.


http://hifisubjectivist.org/viewtopi...p=74228#p74228