NVA interconnects

[Andrew B]

If I was Nick, the OP, I'd be a bit disappointed in the number of posts here that stray incrseasingly from his question. Given that he's now ordered a set of SSP this thread seems even less relevant.

Hopefully staying on topic, I've just taken a look through well over three thousand feedbacks for NVA, the majority of which are for cables. Not a single one has left a negative for product quality or breakage. Nobody has posted a follow up to report subsequent breakage or issues, which all buyers can do. These are real customers who are simply looking to buy a product that will improve their listening. They are probably totally disinterested in personalities and forum politics. It's their opinions I'd value. There are an awful lot of them and that is hard to dismiss.

I really look forward to hearing Nick's impressions when he gets his cable.

[BTH K10A]

I quoted the part that I was responding to - I think that that is normal when clarity is being sought.



ooh look, done it again.

All the best. Guy

Of course you have, I never for once imagined you capable of giving fair and honest response to my question.

[Marco]

Guys, I'm not taking sides here, but if it's going to continue like this, I'll have no option but to close the thread. If you want it to remain open, then cut the personal digs at each other.

Marco.

[Marco]

Ok, the thread was closed last night because I was going to bed and didn't want to log into the forum in the morning with all sorts of pish having kicked off overnight!

Anyway, I'm out all day today, so the thread will remain locked until I return, when at that point I *may* consider re-opening it. However, if so, it'll only be to summarise and conclude the issues raised about NVA interconnects, including allowing anyone else, such as Andrew, who has had positive experiences with said cables, the opportunity to say so and provide some balance against the criticism.

However, any discussion about RD or HFS will be strictly banned, not only on this thread, but throughout the forum in future (there will be an announcement made to this effect in due course), as I no longer want AoS infected with that poison.

Laters!

Marco.

[MartinT]

We are re-opening this thread for a short while to allow some balance to the discussions here, and then it will be finally closed. We will furthermore discourage any future discussions of RD and the NVA forum here on AoS on the basis that points become entrenched, circular and ultimately discredit the AoS name.

[MartinT]

I'll go first with two points I wish to make. Firstly about RD's workmanship. I have reviewed two of his speaker cables, the LS6 and LS7. In both cases the workmanship was impeccable with everything nicely soldered and showing good quality joints. I saw no sign of the shoddy workmanship as shown in the earlier photos and can only cast serious doubt that those cables came directly from NVA. I will also say that the speaker cables sounded excellent and offered good value at their respective price points. The LS7 was fully up to the Tellurium Q Ultra Black (which I use) with a slightly different presentation. Can't give it more praise than that (my TQ UB itself beat the pants off the Kimber Select KS-3035 I used to use).

Now about RD's supposed fair play and lack of ad-hominem. I would have a lot more respect for the things he says if he didn't himself constantly fall foul of his own rules. How about not calling AoS members names when, in the vast majority of cases, he hasn't actually met them? Frankly, calling me 'MartinTory' or Marco's boy is laughable but others have been called a lot worse and I take exception to the constant vitriol being flung in their direction. I also wonder at just how many members of Hi-Fi Subjectivist have actually heard a Tellurium Q cable? How is it, then, that a product can be judged and written off without ever hearing it? There are many, many products that sell through dealerships so if you were to eliminate the 'slurp' there wouldn't be much left, would there?

Look to yourselves and tell me that your behaviour hasn't on occasion been disgraceful? For these reasons, I fully support Marco's desire to stop future discussions dead. Over to you all.

[Figlet108]

I wrote this just after the thread was closed and I'm posting it now unmodified from when I originally wrote it...

The facts were misrepresented. I will concede it may not be deliberate but Jason later admits he further stripped back the cable to repair it so making the damage appear worse. Also failed to admit these had been purchased by his friend so he was likely unaware of any mishandling done between them coming from Richard Dunn and his acquiring them. Also he has a history with Richard Dunn which involved evidence being found according to RD of his interfering with HFS web site. Whether the accusations are true or not given the history between Jason and RD it can't be ruled out that the way he presented that photograph may have been somewhat influenced by their relationship. So there is no way I will withdraw any comment except to apologise to Barry who innocently took everything at face value before making his unwise criticisms.

Paul.

Paul, there was no misrepresentation only misinterpretation.
I posted a photo without comment. It should be obvious to anyone that I had stripped back the cable to reveal the break. No one is saying that any manufacturer is going to supply a cable with torn shrink wrap flapping about an inch behind the cable, so let's be sensible. Have another look at the photo. If I was trying to stage it to look worse I would have snipped it neat to make it look intended from manufacture. And saying I 'later admitted' it implies that I originally denied it or tried to conceal it which is clearly not the case.
In fact, unless I have misunderstood, no one has criticized that aspect of the cable. The criticism is for the length of exposed conductor, the silver one in the middle, which RD has already acknowledged and tried to justify.

Secondly, I work with the friend that bought the cable every single day. I know for a fact he didn't mess around with the cable. He only had it for a few short weeks, so nothing relevant to disclose in that case, and again no reason for your use of the word 'admit' and the negative connotations you intended.

The photo was not 'presented' - I picked it up and snapped a photo within seconds. The cable was already like that on my workbench without the plastic bit and with shrink-wrap peeled back in preparation for re-soldering.

Having said all that, why not just join the discussion and ask your own questions and make your own points? Why not come and ask objectively and politely about the details of the photo - I would have responded objectively and politely as I'm doing right now? Why bring RD's insults and aggression to AOS? RD is banned from AOS (and most other forums) for a reason, so why paste in his insults against me when those insults have nothing to do with this thread?
You have conceded that I didn't deliberately misrepresent facts, but you refuse to retract your statements to the contrary in the original post. You also haven't removed Barry's quote and you haven't removed RD's hate-infused quote that has sparked most of this. What's your agenda Paul?

And finally I need to address the point about interfering with HFS.
Since my break up with RD I have interfered with the HFS forum on 2 occasions.
I was the admin for HFS and it was me that originally set it up in its current form (something for which I sincerely apologies to the rest of the hifi community). When I handed it over to Terry I insisted that he change all the passwords so I could be shot of the whole thing. Whatever Terry thinks he did I found I still had admin access, and my 'interference' has been through that admin account on both occasions, so RD's rants about me hacking into the site and being a 'child hacker' are simply convenient for his continued character assassination attempts.

The first interference came after RD insulted the wife of a customer who sent in his broken SSPs to be fixed
Honestly, I'm not making this up - the AOS thread is here. Interesting to re-read that actually, and see Moonshiner's comments and also the interactions of many of the same people as on this thread.
I commented that there was never an excuse to insult a customer's wife (which incidentally is the kind of behaviour that put me off working with RD) and RD then proceeded to post hate, lies and libel against me on HFS. So I simply logged into HFS as admin and removed the comments about me. For a few days or so, any future comments about me were also deleted in the same way until I couldn't be bothered doing it any more.

The second interference came when I realized that as an NVA customer I felt I had been deceived regarding 2 'Statement' amps I bought back in 2010. I discovered that these 2 'Statement' amps were in fact A80s but in a different case: same transformers, same circuit, everything the same except the case. RD justifies it and now insists that one type of acrylic case sounds significantly better than another acrylic case! Again, I'm not making this up folks.
At the time I wanted to get a response about the matter and I created a new HFS account, went on and politely asked my question as an NVA user. I got no response from RD to explain that it was because of the case that it was a Statement amp, I just had my post deleted and my membership removed. Having spent over £2000 on those amps, that's just not acceptable.
So I logged on as admin again, threw off all the other admins and asked my question again and again and again until I finally got the answer: that it was the case that made it a Statement amp.
I did no harm to the forum and made it clear that once I had got an answer (and dealt with the existing libel and character assassination that had built about me) I would leave.
The whole incident lasted about an hour or two before the site was taken down. When it came back up all my posts had been deleted and the rewriting of history had again begun. If I had wanted to harm HFS I had the opportunity to delete the whole forum every day for months.


Let's please keep this thread about the cable and not drag other unrelated topics into it...

[r100]

I also wonder at just how many members of Hi-Fi Subjectivist have actually heard a Tellurium Q cable

oh, btw. I have some LS1 cables which are very good at least compared to the pair of thick gauge copper cables I had before ... but the outer sheath did come loose and for the users own mental health, it is not recommended to run them in parallel because of capacitance issues

[julesd68]

Let's please keep this thread about the cable and not drag other unrelated topics into it...

That would be fantastic, but half of your reply is about 'unrelated topics', so I expect some people will want to comment on them!!

[Figlet108]

That would be fantastic, but half of your reply is about 'unrelated topics', so I expect some people will want to comment on them!!

Then I suggest anyone who wants to discuss any of the unrelated topics sends me a pm and I'll happily answer any questions you have