NVA interconnects

[Figlet108]

Marco, obviously I agree with what you say.

However, let's be clear that in this thread I didn't see anyone sticking the boot into RD or NVA.
If I had responded to a different post about say Monster cable which I might own, and said similar things that maybe they sound good but were ugly and badly made etc, folks considering a purchase would be grateful for someone's real experience of something they were interested in. All I have actually said in this thread is that they sound great but can break as construction quality is not an NVA strong-point in my opinion. And I have provided proof, both that I like the sound since I have bought a number of pairs and that construction can be poor by providing photos. Nothing personal, no attacks, just pros and cons like every product has.

But in this case what has happened is this. RD has a website where he promotes and instills hatred against other people he doesn't like, other companies he doesn't like, other industries he doesn't like etc etc and none of those injured parties have any right of reply or way of defending themselves - it's a hate fest over there and anyone can see it.

Look at the hatred generated against MCRU or anyone in sales and distribution and the potential damage to their livelihoods. Look at the hatred generated against you, Synsei, Sov, the moderators here, the folks at AudioChews, various folks at PFM and wigwam, audiosmile the list goes on and on and on.
What concerns me is that in the early days it was just RD on his own, almost ranting to himself in the Elsewhere thread, but now that hatred has attracted and spread to others: DQ, Jammy, Terry, etc etc.

In my case I've been publicly called a cunt by Shane Lonergan and a twat by Zebbo - two people that I have never met, never spoken to and who know nothing whatever of what has happened between me and RD. All they have heard is the lies, libel and hate that RD practices on his site.
And now we have new people getting sucked into RD's hate brigade as you can see from this thread - they were as likely as not insighted to come here and stir things up by RD's hate brainwashing, which as we can see succeeded.

[Gordon Steadman]

Hmmm,

Well I wasn't going to join in again but this requires an answer.

My input on this thread has nothing at all to do with Richard Dunn. I joined his forum to voice my disgust at the actions of a certain party who has used this thread for his own ends, having delighted in bragging about it on PFM and been supported in his actions by other members there. I see this thread as just a continuation of that mind set.

Whatever you think of Richard Dunn, it has no bearing on this forum. If you feel he deserves everything he gets, and I am agnostic on this, apart from him calling me an idiot once, I don't know him, then why on earth would you want to go down to his level (if thats what it is) and use another forum to hit back at him.

This is all about using AOS for ones own purpose to justify ones own actions. Using examples of other people who have 'suffered' at RD's hands is just clouding the issue and throwing a smokescreenin order to appear the injured party. Thats shouldn't be what this forum is for.

Thats the only reason I got involved in this thread.

I'm sorry Marco, but I think your comments were uneccessary too. Surely you can rise above the level you are so critical of?

[Marco]

I'm sorry Marco, but I think your comments were uneccessary too. Surely you can rise above the level you are so critical of?

99% of the time, Gordon, I do. However, sometimes certain things need saying. Anyway, you're right, the discussion has veered widly off-topic, so let's bring it back on track. I'm a little busy at the moment, and so will address Jason's earlier post (where he posted further pictures of the cable in question) when I'm free.

However, in the meantime, could you clarify what you mean by this (as I'm unsure of exactly what you're referring to):

"I joined his forum to voice my disgust at the actions of a certain party who has used this thread for his own ends, having delighted in bragging about it on PFM and been supported in his actions by other members there."

Cheers!

Marco.

[Figlet108]

Gordon, I'm confused, I don't post on PFM, or did you mean something else?

Also, if you want to interpret my 3 original posts on here about the cable as posting with a hidden agenda to get back at RD that's fine, you are entitled to your view. Others hopefully will see it for what it was: a pros and cons view based on experience.

As for getting back at RD, there is nothing I can say to damage RD and NVA more than he does himself with many of his posts on HFS and how he sometimes treats customers. I have no interest at getting back at RD as it's a childish waste of life and utterly pointless . However, I do have an interest in clearing my name of the lies and libel that has been spread by him that insights people that don't know me or what has actually happened to hate me and publicly insult me.

What do you think Gordon? Do I have a right to clear my name and answer to accusations? Does RD have a right to post publicly whatever he wants regardless of truth and validity without right of reply? How would you feel?

After RD himself dragged our break up into the public domain I have said that I have nothing to hide and will gladly answer to any accusations and take responsibility for my actions and words. Twice I have tried to do that on HFS, which I believe is the appropriate place so as not to torture any other innocent forums. Both times I have had my defense and myself removed, despite sticking to RD's own rules on posting, and history is re-written according to Dunne.
Please find anything of my defense anywhere on the internet and show it to me. It doesn't exist. It's been deleted.

Believe it or not Gordon, reading lies and hate about myself on a public forum is very upsetting to me. Maybe others are more robust, but we have all had different childhood experiences that have shaped our adulthood, and in my case I don't have a thick skin

[Gordon Steadman]

Gordon, I'm confused, I don't post on PFM, or did you mean something else?

Also, if you want to interpret my 3 original posts on here about the cable as posting with a hidden agenda to get back at RD that's fine, you are entitled to your view. Others hopefully will see it for what it was: a pros and cons view based on experience.

As for getting back at RD, there is nothing I can say to damage RD and NVA more than he does himself with many of his posts on HFS and how he sometimes treats customers. I have no interest at getting back at RD as it's a childish waste of life and utterly pointless . However, I do have an interest in clearing my name of the lies and libel that has been spread by him that insights people that don't know me or what has actually happened to hate me and publicly insult me.

What do you think Gordon? Do I have a right to clear my name and answer to accusations? Does RD have a right to post publicly whatever he wants regardless of truth and validity without right of reply? How would you feel?

After RD himself dragged our break up into the public domain I have said that I have nothing to hide and will gladly answer to any accusations and take responsibility for my actions and words. Twice I have tried to do that on HFS, which I believe is the appropriate place so as not to torture any other innocent forums. Both times I have had my defense and myself removed, despite sticking to RD's own rules on posting, and history is re-written according to Dunne.
Please find anything of my defense anywhere on the internet and show it to me. It doesn't exist. It's been deleted.

Believe it or not Gordon, reading lies and hate about myself on a public forum is very upsetting to me. Maybe others are more robust, but we have all had different childhood experiences that have shaped our adulthood, and in my case I don't have a thick skin

I'm sorry, it could have been the Wigwam, my memory for that may be faulty but not for the event. You say any evidence has been deleted?? Then it would be difficult to prove wouldn't it?

My interest here right or wrong, was to point out that there was a conflict of interest. Anything you say about NVA products has to be filtered through the knowledge that you were once involved
with the company and have fallen out with Richard Dunn. Whether you like it or not, admit it or not there is bound to be some suspicion that you have ulterior motives. You would do better to do what I would have suggested and walked away totally, in no way trying to get back at Richard Dunn for whatever reason and certainly not raising the possibility of accusations like those you have here by criticising his products in such a way. People who are unaware of your problems with NVA would not be able to make a rational decision and would in fact, be in danger of being misled.

Your thin skin I can do nothing about I'm afraid, we all take responsibilities for our own actions and if we find ourselves under pressure, its tough but something we just have to cope with.

[walpurgis]

Oooh, it's like being back at school. Chill out guys, put your feet up and open a beer and let it all become water under the bridge. Life's too short and none of this is worth getting steamed up about.

[Sovereign]

I'm sorry, it could have been the Wigwam, my memory for that may be faulty but not for the event. You say any evidence has been deleted?? Then it would be difficult to prove wouldn't it?

This is now way off thread, but yes Gordon you are right it would be very hard to prove, that is EXACTLY why Richard Dunn deletes history and writes his own. I have seen the problems between Jason and Richard Dunn unfold along with many many many others, . I have also seen how Richard Dunn will delete anything that does not fit with his own view of himself and he will continue to manipulate arguments to fit his own agenda time and time again. He is the final authority of his own forum and the moderators can do very little, if anything, without his say so.

I have seen the above manipulation of historic facts time and time again it would frustrate me no end. It frustrated me even more when lies and accusations were written about me and my name and intentions were smeared so much that the other few loyalists just believed the lies. It was at the time that I was told to Piss Off, I decided to close the door on Richard Dunn, however not on NVA as I find the amplifiers to be some of the best.

[Canetoad]

Sorry Gordon, but I don't see what business any of this is to you. Who made you the morality police in this matter?

[synsei]

This is exactly what I feared would happen. Am I the only one who can see the pain and anguish that is being instilled here and we all know where it originates from. Some people have talked in the past about the need to develop a thick skin when dealing with Mr Dunn. Why? Take a moment to think about that. What if someone were to treat you in the manner which is de rigeur on HFS when out in public? How would you deal with it? How did you deal with it? I'm sure it must have happened once or twice. There is no excuse for rudeness and this has gone way beyond that.

The irony of Mr Dunn's rants about the industry are not lost on me. I've noticed that he saves his most potent ire for those, mainly British concerns, which are more successful than his and anybody who supports those concerns, be they customers or agents. He justifies his actions by spouting off about how Naim & Linn were instrumental in 'destroying' the industry late last century and he also blames them for the loss of his previous business, and yet here we are in 2013 and many of us have fine British products sat in our racks sourced from independent home grown businesses which aren't called Naim or Linn, although these two outfits play their part too. For me this demonstrates his real weakness. Any business owner worth his or her salt would adapt to survive. This may involve restructuring the business, re-positioning it in the marketplace and/or changing its marketing policy. However Mr Dunn cannot do this as he has painted himself into a corner with his constant demonisation of manufacturers, dealers and their methods, and yet the only thing these concerns are guilty of is good business practice. They adapted therefore they survived... Put simply, his pride won't let him adapt in the manner he should. To act on any of the points I made he would need to become the enemy and that will never happen. Eventually natural selection will take its course and NVA will go out of business because he will simply run out of people who want to deal with him.

[Gordon Steadman]

Sorry Gordon, but I don't see what business any of this is to you. Who made you the morality police in this matter?

If you can't see that openess and honesty are to be strived for then good luck. One is expected to declare an interest if pushing a product if you are connected with it and I would expect the same if the reverse is true.